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Obama Won't Back Down After Chinese Threat, Sends U.S. Warships To Contested Islands In "Matter Of Days"
On Friday, we reported the latest provocation in what has truly become a very dangerous, if largely pointless, staring contest between Beijing and Washington over China’s reclamation of land in The South China Sea.
Responding to suggestions that the US was set to sail warships around the islands Beijing has constructed atop reefs in the Spratlys, China served noticed that it would “never allow any country to violate China's territorial waters and airspace in the Spratly Islands, in the name of protecting freedom of navigation and overflight.” This was simply a formalized version of the more concise phrasing the PLA navy used when they instructed the pilots flying a US spy plane to “Go now!” when it ventured too close to Fiery Cross earlier this year.
It’s not immediately clear what China intends to do with the islands and further, it’s not entirely clear why anyone should necessarily care if Beijing wants to build “sand castles” in the middle of the ocean, but then again, for America’s regional allies the land reclamation efforts look a lot an attempt to build a series of military outposts by creating sovereign territory where there was none thereby effectively redrawing maritime boundaries and so, big brother in Washington is set to step in in order to protect vital shipping lanes.
Of course having already said that the navy plans to sail ships into the waters around the islands, the US can ill-afford to allow China’s “we won’t tolerate that” pronouncement to deter the Pentagon because the optics around that would be terrible at a time when the world is already questioning the strength and resolve of the US military. So the ships will indeed sail. Here’s WSJ:
The U.S. determination to challenge China with patrols near Chinese-built islands in the South China Sea will test Xi Jinping’s recent pledge that Beijing doesn’t intend to “militarize” the islands, an announcement that took U.S. officials by surprise.
The Chinese leader made the commitment during a news conference with President Barack Obama at the White House late last month, though he left it unclear how the pledge would affect China’s activities in the disputed area of the South China Sea.
If Mr. Xi’s goal was to discourage the U.S. from conducting patrols near the artificial islands, he doesn’t appear to have succeeded. After months of debate in the U.S. government, there is now a consensus that the U.S. Navy should send ships or aircraft within 12 nautical miles of the artificial islands to challenge China’s territorial claims there, according to people familiar with internal discussions.
A U.S. official confirmed Sunday that a decision had been made to conduct such patrols but said it was unclear when that might happen or where exactly. “It’s just a matter of time when it happens,” the official said. Another U.S. official indicated that the operation could come within days.
The question now is whether China will respond to such operations by reining in its plans to develop the islands or backing away from the commitment not to militarize them, pointing to the U.S. patrols as a provocation.
Anyone who knows anything about how China generally prefers to respond in situations like these knows that Beijing will almost certainly call any US naval presence a "provocation" and they'll be exactly right. After all, there's something rather ironic about claiming that China is in the process of militarizing the South China Sea and then deciding that the best way to de-escalate the situation is to sail warships to the area. Here's WSJ again:
The Pacific Fleet has been ready to conduct “freedom of navigation operations,” or Fonops, around China’s artificial islands for months after being asked to draw up options by U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter earlier this year. The decision to begin the patrols appears to have been delayed to avoid disrupting the summit, people familiar with internal discussions say.
“A U.S. Fonop gives China an opportunity to assert that the United States is the country ‘militarizing’ the South China Sea and, if China chooses, such a Fonop provides a rationale for China to further militarize or develop the features it occupies,” said Taylor Fravel, an expert on the Chinese military at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
So in reality, the real question is this: now that Russia has moved to effectively reclaim the Mid-East from US influence, and now that China is in the process of using its island building efforts to establish what we've called a kind of Sino-Monroe Doctrine, how long will it be before someone actually challenges the US military by shooting down a plane in the desert or firing on a ship in the Spratlys just to test Washington's resolve?
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Finally here again, as a reminder, are the satellite images which demonstrate the extent to which Beijing is "changing the landscape", so to speak, in the South China Sea.
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Glad I live in a country which maintains its troops within its own borders.
If the Americans are serious they should start by patrolling their border with Mexico.
Or is that outside their jurisdiction?
There is no reason why number one country in the world with strongest army in world should back down :D
https://youtu.be/T9sDxvsbsnA
Are you referring to Latvia??
Veterans that get hurt might want to consider new country of residence.
US Ranks #37 as per WHO, US is worst of all Developed Nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_healt...
Here it is: JAMA Published 2001, July 25, 2001, Vol 286, No. 4. Estimating Hospital Deaths Due to Medical Errors, Preventability Is in the Eye of the Reviewer, Rodney A. Hayward, MD; Timothy P. Hofer, MD, MS. Design Retrospective implicit review of medical records from 1995-1996. The number of deaths in US hospitals that are reportedly due to medical errors is disturbingly high. A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44 000 and 98 000 people a year in US hospitals.1
Estimating Hospital Deaths Due to Medical Errors - JAMA
jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=194039
Jul 25, 2001 ... Context Studies using physician implicit review have suggested that the number of deaths due to medical errors in US hospitals is extremely ...
How Many Die From Medical Mistakes in U.S. Hospitals? - ProPublica
http://www.propublica.org/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-...
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK225187/
Two studies of large samples of hospital admissions, one in New York using 1984 ... Medication errors account for one out of 131 outpatient deaths and one out of ..... of Adverse Drug Events in Hospitalized Patients. JAMA . 277:307–311, 1997.
Hospitals continue to make preventable mistakes - The Boston Globe
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The World Health Organization?
So we should all pay close attention to what an agency of the United Nations has to say about healthcare?
Maybe send them to that socialist paradise called Cuba?
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/02/20/shock-report-cuba-is-not-the-medic...
I hope you die in the first strike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaKbZW0pqkM
If you have not seen this video yet of how the Chinese warned off the Amercians, you should definitely see it. One thing that was immediately clear to me is that the Amercians had absolutely no intention of complying with the Chinese and displayed a total disrespect for their navy. The Amercians are definitely trying to ratchet up the tension... the Chinese have already done aggressive fly bys on Amercian aircraft with interceptors which were also ignored (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hpcFciqRBQ). Eventually they're going to be shot down, rightly so, and the US will use that as pretext for war.
What part of INTERNATIONAL WATERS don't you understand?
China has no claim at all, and idiots like you will blame the US when China attacks?
If China builds a military base on an island and you fly towards it, you are not in international waters. You are infringing on the security of the base. The Chinese have every right to shoot you down. You can contest whether they are allowed to claim the islands, but it's a moot point. The base is there, you are not allowed near it. You don't see Chinese or Russian aircraft infringing on the many NATO (US) bases around the world now do you? Whether those US bases are legitimate is also in question but also a moot point. They are there and so the Russians and Chinese respect the airspace. You display typical Amercian stupidity and disrespect.
Two points. Kind of seems to me that the US could just have easily moved a satellite over the area and gotten even better photos. Also seems stange that such a situation occurs so close to when Obama met with the Chinese President.
It was a provocation. The crew expendable. Journalists on the plane to up the stakes too. This CNN video confirms the US plane was responding on a script and reveals US intentions there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zlU_syd__c
In a war, a president in America can get a 3rd term.
And remember, Boba wants to be a dictator for life because he's thinks he's the bestest president on da planet!!!!
"In a war, a president in America can get a 3rd term."
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
3rd term? Ha, Obama will be lucky to make it through his second term...
Seriously, things are about to go downhill, and fast. I believe that these things were not supposed to happen this soon, and that the idea was to have Obama leave office with things fairly quiet...the blow-up was supposed to happen with someone else in the White House.
Things are happening ahead of schedule, and Obama might not squeak by. It is also looking like several things might converge at once, making it difficult to focus on any one thing.
I think Obama's last year will be a very busy one. Busy trying desperately to keep a lid on this over-boiling pot, and so preserve his legacy, not busy planning a third term.
I still think Hillary will drop out, Bill's health issues and such...They can't get any normal folks to run, can't even get anyone to take the Speaker's job, third in line to the Presidency. Because NO SANE PERSON wants to be in or near the pilot's seat when this bird crashes. Regardless of ideology, the survivors will drag that pilot from his seat and tear him/her apart.
Satellites?? LOL
<<...could just have easily moved a satellite over the area...>>
....uh, no. They can not. Whoever controls the airspace controls the narrative.
There is a reason why Google Earth fails to provide live streams of whatever seems interesting around the world. Why are we seeing fly-over photos of these sandcastles? as opposed to a time-lapse video of their active construction?
You are correct.
Vey Stange.
What part of INTERNATIONAL LAW don't you understand?
You just start readin' the papers and following the news today? Where you been since 9/11, not to mention our previous 'adventures'?
You think this is a one-off event? Today you're outraged?
Damn USA has intrest everywhere. Do they own this planet or something? I will not let my kids die defending our "alies" USA.
Why ppl are runing away from Syria? They don't give a fuck about their country. EVERY country sucks money out of their citizens threating them as slaves. Noone cares about their homeland. None wants to die willinging for their country. That's why ppl are runing away from syria, they don't want to die fighting in war they don't feel to be their war. Neither will I or my kids die in war for USA abour some useless island. I don't care if oil will be extraced by USA or China. Both will sell at similar price and i will have to pay same price, so what's the difference.
They certainly like to think so. If you are a NATO country you are currently being used by the USA for it's national interest. When that day comes it will be your people dying for Americans. I'm glad you understand that and refuse to cooperate. Unfortunately your leaders probably don't agree with you and your country will continue to be a vassal.
"I will not let my kids die defending our "alies" USA."
Wanna bet?
Those nukes and their fallout don't discriminate who/what they kill.
I didn't say we can't die. Mind the part: "defending our alies USA". We won't fight for the USA. Unless we get brainwashed like Theon Greyjoy in Games of Thrones.
Are you allowed to fly over a carrier group? Ain't that international waters? Ok, if you have Khirbis, than it's ok...
What does this have to do with US territorial defense? If this claim by the US stands, doesn't that support the belief that the entire world falls under some sort of global "Monroe Doctrine," that the US is allowed to go wherever it deems fit? Is that so? if it is true for the US, doesn't that make it true for China and Russia? If the US makes territorial claims to someplace, say the Aleutians (which of course it does), how will it respond if China or Russia sail warships within twelve miles? We know how. Is the fact that the South China Sea is contested by Vietnam, the Phillipines, and others make it a legitimate territorial issue for the US? If so, how? Do defense pacts give nations the right to violate territorial boundaries, even when contested? What does international law say about a situation like this?
Superpower Status is like a Disease.
There is no Superpower Status in the US Constitution, nor super-big central government, nor super-big central government Budget, nor a super-sized Private Stockholder controlled Central Bank.
Probably there is no place in the US Constitution for Massive Household, Private, and Federal Debt nor massive national Usury... nor for money fleeing off-shore... nor for Foreign Ownership of $31 Trillion USD of US Property.
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/international/intinv/iip_glance.htm
We live in enlightened times,,, are now exceptional,,, and have outgrown wordy constitutions that restrict our benevolent government from exercising its divine right to rule the world.
Ok, start selling Trashury bonds.
Everyone Panic. Start buying US Savings Bonds.
They pay Zero Percent Interest Right Now, but your money will be safe except for Annual Inflation of 5% and default possibility of federal government.
Yeah, US Saving Bonds are as good a program as Fraud, Waste, Abuse Reporting Program in federal govt.
- I guess the Many Military Agencies have Criminal Investigation offices/staff, but they don't seem to speak to power... those that are powerful by position or association
+1 'Trashury"
Obama to draw line in the water.
It's the Obamy greenies who have their panties in a wad over this
I'm sure when the shoe situation blows up, he will say that he was skeptical at the plan.
US alone against Russia,China,N-Korea,Iran....?
I say US because i would not rely on the EU or any other country.
Except from the UK perhaps they are all in deep shit.
Don't be that sure.I know there are contingency plans,and all those SLBM's were reverse
engineered long ago ago to remove the US kill switches.
I hate when I see a headline stating "Obama Won't Back Down". He doesn't have enough backbone to stand up to his domestic partner. These headlines should read "The Shadow Government Running Obama Won't Back Down."
Wake up down arrow, you're running out of time.
After getting his ass wiped by Putin, he's got to save face with China. He'll get his ass kicked there too.
is Barry Put-in his foot in IT again? :3
Just drop some love dust on the islands... isotopes cesium-137, strontium-90 and iodine-131
Does that work better than Spanish fly?
I am going to load up at Costco and purchase a case of scotch. Looks like winter is going to be long and cold this year.
Somebody takle that stupid little Zippy faggot.
He makes good points, but maybe obnoxiusley.
Substance over form.
It used to be the case when Western leaders met Chinese leaders to bring up matters like human rights in Tibet as a matter of course. Due to the warmongering in the last decade by the usual suspects any moral authority has been lost and now hardly a word on these subjects. That's a shame.
Hey, maybe this is where the 60 minutes hit piece comes into play. The guy is an idiot, but this was a gotcha interview. A nice compare and contrast to the Putin attempt. Sad to see what 60 minutes has become. The point was for neocons to humiliate Obama and goad him into action with China.
Is it possible they are trying to set up the US for defeat with a 2 front war to bury the financial bodies ala Germany? Seems to be a wash rinse repeat cycle the last few hundred years and I am guessing the financial elites don't care who gets holding the bill for their free lunch.
Arrogant Obama is angry after being made a fool of. So he is doubling down on arrogance and foolishness.
Bingo! You hit the nail on the head.
Last night's 60 Minutes interview was the first time I've ever seen that arrogant fool ever seriously questioned. For the past 8 years the press had nothing but softball questions for him.
"How does it feel to be married to such a beautiful woman?"
"How is it you are soo smart?"
"Tell us about your NCAA brackets. Oh, you are so smart."
All of a sudden he is getting drilled with real questions. He looked like Erkle getting pounded by Mike Tyson
The Federal Reserve banksters and DC want another huge war because it got the US out of the great depression.
No itdidn't. They just inflated their way out. The spending happened to go on war.
so eh...
WHO'S WILLING TO STEP UP AND INLIST TO FIGHT THAT WAR????!!!!
no me that's for sure...
Did you see the location of those reefs on the worldmap?
THAT'S NO PLACE TO DIE FOR!!
Damn straight brother.
China is by far not the only nation building islands and yet they have the fewest. It is the US surrounding China not the other way around. Also the reason that the US, the Brits and NATO are in a fit by Russia bombing terrorists in Syria is because it was announced in the media in England that British and American special forces were/are dressed up in terrorist outfits and now are being destroyed! As things turn!
We have our own little "Typhoon Buffoon Blow Hard" .... AlfredNeumann .... and Green Peace is strangely silent .... as China rips apart idyllic tropical lagoons ?
Oh this'll be fun. I guess Obama needs to assert his (fe)male dominance after being demasculinated by Putin. He just can't win this one though. Guy couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
warmongering been going on a long time... Crimean War, 1853-1856 - War sparked by what on first glance appears to be a trivial disagreement over the Christian shrines of Jerusalem first telegraph picture war.... The globalist/MIC/MSM/DNC/RNC/Carbon/authoritarians are sick M***FU&Kers..
Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Gotta go out and get those reds ?
The only good commie is the one who's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.
Well, come on Wall Street, don't move slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Viet Cong.
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Stupid dog fucker.
Hemingway and I applaud your use of plain English !
Who fucks stupid dogs?
More environmental destruction on a grand scale.The Chinese have ruined all their rivers with pollution.Kinda reminds a guy of the late '60s when Cleveland's River was on fire from having so many chemicals in it.Concrete and pave the earth.
I´m not a Green Peace Prick .... I´m a Conservative .... we conserve the good things in life .... like pristeen, tropical atolls .... we eat the broken peanuts first .... and save the whole peanuts for last !
Another Troll; always on any post that relates to China and/or Russia. I hope you are not being paid, for you are easily discernible on ZH.
Crocodile tears
Gulf of Tonkin Part II
Someone tell the creator of that map he forgot to add the USA borders somewhere....
Because what would USA military ships be doing there otherwise???
/sarcasm
Maybe they were infiltrated with Walking Dead and are wandering on the oceans....
Seven brides .... for seven brothers .... every claimant gets one atoll .... send over Kerry to sort this out .... China and Taiwan get one atoll only .... between the two .... hasn't China always insisted Taiwan is part of the mainland ?
Obama sends in the reef-busting tanks, and it's BINGO!
The US trying to dictate what China should be doing in the South CHINA Sea.
Tell me who the aggressor is here again.
China machine gunned about 70 Viet Namese marines .... who were occupuying the reefs .... they tilted down their anti-aircrarft guns to the horizontal position .... and blew them out of the waist deep water .... kind of like a Norko soccer stadium exection .... except, they didn't have to feed them to the dogs .... the sharks and crabs did the clean up work !
meh, China will do nothing, International waters are International waters. Just ask the countries bordering the South China Sea.
Excellent article (in French):
”The ultra secret weapon that allows Putin to establish its supremacy in the radio electronic warfare in Syria”
http://reseauinternational.net/larme-ultrasecrete-qui-permet-a-poutine-d...
Obama is great comic relief. Just 2 weeks ago he was saying how the U.S. couldn't be the world's policeman any longer. This clown is a laugh a minute. Awesome!
Yeah, but he's not calling the shots. You know that, right?
Now, if he tries to sign an executive order outlawing gun ownership in the US, while calling the wolf to the door, it will be game over.
Poke the Dragon and your ass is toast...
Japanese smartest .... South Koreans a close second .... then the Taiwanese a close third .... then North Koreans .... then the Chinese brutes !
US can even won fighting NK peasant. Not winning fighting against vietcong peasant digging into mud and makes rat holes?
And now that idiot potus want to fight in multi front? One front, have landmass bigger than his own, have people that smarter than those country people, have nuke 700 more than his own.
On other front? You'll fights a country which has bigger land than your own. Have people much more than your own. Have smart people many more than your people. And have resource (china is export based economy. U-ASS is consume based economy. Can't deduct what this means during a war? In war, which factors that support the sustain of the war effort? Manufacturing capacity, people that runs them. And raw materials availability. Understand what china has? Why do you think china makes 2 gas & oils pipeline to Russia?)
On other front afghan, pakistan, syria, iran, iraq, yemen, somali, sudan, nigeria, zambia, tunisia, palestina, libya, chechenz, this country, have the taste of US involment in their internal issues, either by military, or supplying weapons supplies to their internal enemies.
So, what do you think these countries will do, once US starts war all these countries??
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You remember why nazi german failed in their conquest right? Opening 2 fronts, while its resource could support those 2 fronts.
Your potus? Would makes a WORSE MISTAKES by opening even much more fronts that it can really chew.
And i will brings my popcorn to watch, how the once mighty empire crumbling down spectacularly.
how the once mighty empire crumbling down spectacularly
they all do, in time.
Based on the trend, and the Chinese, Russians, N Koreans, UK, Romanians, Alabanians, Nigerians, and 9 Silicon valley start ups have Billary's and
OPM's emails, the headline should read.
Obama Won't Back Down, Yet.
I wonder how the sand castles will hold up to a few well placed torpedos..
If their Engineers are worthy, the "fish" should hit Nets, Coral, Sand, Reinforced Concrete, and/or Rocks/Boulders.
Unless they're tipped with Nukes with enough Yield to make the Atoll/Reef/Islands into underwater craters , they probably won't do much damage. A Neutron Warhead may kill all stationed on an Encampment; but that'll prompt the CHN to retake the Encampents while dumping Neutron Warheads on everyone connected to making that first drop possible - i.e., Guam, Hawa'ii, PHI and TWN may be the first victims of their retaliatory Wrath.
It's china engineering, a large wave will wash it away
Want to know what i consider "stupid" Americans ?
The ones that go and get depoyed or even fight over a Chinese Sea island just because their commander and chief says so.
No !
Western capitalism is faced with immense structural problems. These include sclerotic economies, characterized by atrophying manufacturing infrastructure, high unemployment, coupled with anemic job growth (>90% of “new” jobs are temp positions- low pay, no benefits, zero job security) and sky rocketing deficits. To counteract its economic decline, the US has- cut taxes for the wealthy, de-regulated finance (repeal of Glass–Steagall Act and passage of Commodities futures modernization act of 2000), out-sourced jobs to low wage platforms in Mexico, China, etc. (NAFTA). Bush II came into office, pushed through more tax cuts for the wealthy and started taxpayer funded multi $ trillion wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (the US/NATO war theater now extends from the Levant, Caspian Basin, Persian Gulf, China Sea, Indian Ocean, Horn of Africa, the Maghreb, to Eastern Europe and Russian Border). Following the 2008 financial collapse (the direct result of policies summarized above), Bush II allocated $ trillions more from US taxpayers to bail out (still) insolvent Wall St Banks (effectively, a gigantic transfer of wealth from taxpayers (99%) to large banks- the “1%”). Not to be outdone, Obama has continued and expanded these policies. The end result has been the largest financial disaster since the Great Depression (may well end up being worse). Unfortunately, starting new wars with China (and Russia) will not halt the structural decline of the US, EU or Japan.
Soul is the brevity of wit, Philly Nigger !
The Greater Tripression.
north america isn't capitalist.
Shit, Obama can't draw a line in the sand. Wait until he tries dloing that shit on water!
Repent and believe, for you do not know when you will die old man.
Reefs they are building into islands? You would think the enviromentalists would be bouncing off the walls and frothing at the mouth over the reef destruction.
Socialists never speak ill .... of other socialists .... the first commandment !
Again the USA needs to be careful it doesn't ruin its strategic alliances in Europe by escalating pointless military tensions with China and Russia for its own geopolitical/hegemony ends.
Whilst Cameron's UK is the quintesential fuck-doll of the US, Germany doesn't need the US pushing Russia and China over the edge. And German's themselves are getting restless with the government. If Germany begins flipping to China-Russia then othes will follow.
I will not hold my breath on the U.S. irritating China. More 'leaked' intentions that will never manifest. Just look at how the administration handled Iran and now U.S. reaction to Russia in Syria.
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Im for any country being self-determined. I'm for Russia in Syria, they are there legally helping an Ally. and Its about time someone stood up against the U.S. ~ never forget 9/11 and those that truly were the masterminds (not arabs thats for sure)
The danger of the USA's threats of movement into what China now considers its territorial waters, is what will they do if China will call its bluff.
If they do nothing then they get Owned as Russia owned the US in Syria. The USA will look even more weak and stupid.
Whast would the USA do if a Chinese patrol boat put a few 'warning' shots into the bow of a US ship entering its waters?
Will they escalate and shoot the boat out of the water? Will China retaliate.....
Problem with the US acting stupid in China is its affect on the patience of Europe and its alliance.
The Freemasons will have their World War III, following the plans of Albert Pike.
War is what we do when the other alternatives are exhausted.
China does not need a war with the U.S, although given recent events the U.S almost certainly needs to find somebody to give a black eye to. Like the abuser with his girlfriend.
My guess is that China has already lined up the next stage of its devaluation program and has a whole bunch of treasuries to sell.
Economic actions that serve the longer term goals of the Chinese economy at the same time as kicking the U.S in the nuts will be the prefered option.
Keep that up and not only will the U.S be withdrawing their carriers from the mediterranean for lack of money but the majority of the fleet will be tied up at home bases on the Continental U.S
0bama wants a war with China so he can surrender to them.
I would have liked to have seen Montana.
WTF do I care about some Chinese islands in the Pacific - I want my goddamn tax money back from the thieves, morons and pencil-dick generals in DC...Don't they have anything better to do with their time?, a useless bunch of shithead, dumb fucks and I'm being kind....
Could be a strategy to keep the Chinese navy busy in order to postpone or prevent them from supporting Russia in Syria.
Maybe, but according to a video that is no longer available on youtube, an ex-CIA agent from China said that the CIA knows that there are 325,000 PLA soldiers living in the US, posing as students and waiters. Imagine how many soldiers and arms they have in total. They could fight a war on many fronts and squish us like the annoying fly we are.
didnt something like this happen with russia
The USA is desperately trying to maintain its global hegemony and is behaving like any failing state.
The problem is that all previous failed global hedgemons didn't have the weapons to destroy the planet.
Those weapons will acompany the coming tantrums like an overdramatic teenager on SSRI medication whose iPhone has been confiscated.
Obama is beating his chest like he did in Syria drawing his line in the sand. Of course, he backed down from Syria. Wonder how this one will turn out? lol
freedom of the seas is a very important principle. it has a direct effect of trade routes. China had ZERO interest in these islands 30 years ago ... NADA. what's happening now is a direct Power Play by Beijing. nothing more or less.
How this will work out - anyone's guess.
Principles? Obama is concerned about principles? LoL! I do agree that Beijing strokes the power play as now is the time to do it when the U.S. military is overly strained and the U.S. economy is in the shitter.
War is the stimulus of last resort. Send the unemployed off to die, bomb everything flat and sweep the previous crimes of the elite under the rug. When it's over, there are lots of new jobs in construction and very few applicants. Work is plentiful; wages are good; everyone's happy. It's the perfect solution if you are devoid of moral conscience.
On paper, the US is far and away the most formidable military in history. On the ground, however, things are a different story. Our troops are too busy parading around in high heels and learning queer sensitivity to be able to, say, hold Baghdad. The recent agreement with Iran seems to have convinced Russia and China of the galactic incompetence of the US regime. It's very likely that Obama will get the war he wants, but I entirely expecta devastating defeat akin to the defeat of the Spanish armada in 1588.
Just remember to support the troops with yellow ribbons and petty jingoism!
legacy building for barry
doesn't matter barry
you're still a communist and a fucking asshole that needs a punch in the head
Your tax-dollars hard at work.
Perhaps its all part of a secret pact to reduce the world population. Reset the debt, kill a few billion, and make a nice peace accord afterward with a new world hierarchy. Nobody would ever believe that, but whatever the motivation, the results are the same. How anyone could be insane enough to play poker with such an epic scale of devastation and suffering is beyond me, but it's happened before and will again.
Chinese imports may get a lot more expensive.
have a feeling that a white cop is about to shoot an unarmed black perp in the back, just not sure who is who
I believe people completely misread Obama...
Obama is a Muslim. Obama did not want to offend other Muslins in the Middle East by bombing Syria after the red line statement. Obama does not use the word terrorist with Muslims because it offends other Muslims. All this comes from Obama growing up in Indonesia where his Muslim values where apparently drilled into him as it is with all Muslim children. Obama explained all of this to us in his first world road show as president in 2008 when he kept apologizing to the Muslim world for America’s despicable treatment of Muslim’s.
In dealing with Russia Obama stayed out of the direct line of fire with the Ukraine. Obama’s sole purpose was to break up Russia’s direct influence in Europe (using natural gas) – which he accomplished. Obama has no interest in getting in a war with Russia over the Ukraine.
With China Obama has a different problem. We have had a presence in the South China sea for decades. Obama understands from his childhood in Indonesia they have no love for the Chinese. Neither does Obama. Obama now has his back up against the wall as a Muslim. Will he let the Chinese humiliate him as a Muslim?
So… no I would now be surprised to see large parts of the US seventh fleet running circles around the Spratly islands…
Spot on. I guess none remembers the Muslim lynchings of Chinese in Jakarta several years ago.
" Obama’s sole purpose was to break up Russia’s direct influence in Europe (using natural gas) – which he accomplished. "
Oh really? He did? I take it that means my gas doesn't come from Russia then... Cos it actually still does.
That is an interesting take on the situation.
albeit an incorrect one. Obama doesn't control jack.
Is it a coincidence that this is all taking place less than a month after the reunion of these very same world leaders at the United Nations?
Perhaps they are trying to encourage the stallers to the TPP agreement that America really does mean business!!
So we're playing patty-cake with Iran, but we're irritated at China? Weird.
But seriously, China should know better than to build a dozen ocean-view golf courses and then try to keep Obama out.
Guys (and gals),
my DICK is the biggest there is.
So just stop the contests, and go back to be happy.
And kill the psychopaths of infinite growth. Yes, yes - all of them.
R Obama Won't Back Down
Neither will Tom Petty.
When small wars and QE won't stimulate the economy it's time to shop for a great big war.
This isn't about Pres. Obama, Muslims, or Syria.
It is about FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION on the seas.
There is an international law - a 12 nm limit around sovereign territory. ANY ship outside that limit is allowed to pass. It could be Japanese, South Korean, British, Brazilian, or American. ANY SHIP!
If the Chinese try to enforce a larger zone around 'their islands' then they are breaking the international law and they are the aggressors. For those people who are OK with this - if you plan on giving the whole South China Sea to China, then why don't you give them the Pacific Ocean as well?
China is not Serbia, dude. NATO pretty much "took" Kosovo from Serbia, so there is that...
The US cares about international law.? HAH !!!
Food for thought:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]
At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"[2] After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action.
It looks like the Chinese are going to impose an exclusive economic zone as shown by the Nine-dash maritime claim line as shown on that ZH map of the area. The US military will of course try to ignore it, but incidents like that of the Hainan Island incident of April 1, 2001 will likely become more common. The US spy plane was later returned months later to the US in pieces abroad a Russian cargo plane.
14 years ago China was much weaker, today, China is telling the world that the seas around China belong to China and that foreign civilian and military aircraft will only be allowed with Chinese permission
This is the perfect political cum military foil to compel Congress to pass TPP.
They will say how it will be an effective tool for containing China hegemony and presto - you will have a global corporate syndicate that think it can negotiate with China on a peer to peer basis - while destroying human liberty among signatory nations.
'We have to degrade ourselves to our presumed enemies political culture in order to be competitive.'
Washington and Wall Street sent all the machines and gold to China.
Not sure that can be changed with petty military confrontations.
Long DF-26 and JY-18.
If his rhetoric from 60 minutes applies, sending the military is an act of weakness.
Then again, consistency has never been his strong suit.
CNN: Fifty tons of ammunition airdropped overnight from US military cargo planes to rebel groups in northern Syria -@barbarastarrcnn
Are we dropping shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles? Just think about it. Wow.
Administration officials rumored to be considering use of parachutes on next drop.
Correction:
Fifty tons of ammunition airdropped overnight from US military cargo planes to terrorist groups in northern Syria
As an engineer who is also VERY familiar with the ocean and it's lifeforms, ignoring this amazing coincidence is incredibly irresponsible. They are spending $180 Million a year to verify Iran compliance on nuclear weapons, but "they" can't up with $600 for a Gamma Scint Radiation scan on fish and imported sea food, so that effort has to be "crowd funded". How ridiculous is that?
The Pacific is dying, and we ought to be spending hundreds of millions for figure out what we can do to mitigate the damages, and we ought to be spending $200B to fix Fukushima's ongoing releases.
Shame Shame on the sociopaths who act as if their political agenda is more important than these very serious problems that we face
Kelly Ann Thomas compiled a list of headlines from 2011 that show the progression of damage to the Pacific. The list is 61 pages long, please scan it here:
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/09/61-pages-of-stories-of-death-of-pacific.html
ww3 is a little bit more existential in the heirarchy of pending manmade disasters. let's get over this one first and fukushima will raise its godzilla head when human genetic mutations become common.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/russias-online-...
From the linked article:
Gee that sounds familiar...
". . . that the trolls began to occupy a long time ago and react to certain news with torrents of mud and abuse. This makes it meaningless for a reasonable person to comment on anything there.”
Gee that sounds familiar...
The key in negating the effect of trolls on a site is to totally ignore their comments. A lot of ZHr's, being the children that they many times are, seem to have a really hard time doing that. The bottom line is if you want a troll to cease and desist the last thing you want to do is to get into a pissing contest with them.
Build surf reefs dude, hundreds of perfect breaks, a giant luxury surf poon resort.....with anti shark capabilities.
I'll pay a thousand a day for perfect waves ....and stuff.
Putin:"Khirbis anyone?"
Is the US planning any life jacket survival drills, and abandon ship drills?? How is the water temperature there now?
How is this going to help Obama get re-elected?
https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2630/4295/original.gif
Destabilizing the world order outside of political entities is scary.
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A whole airliner was shot down over Ukraine full of innocent people simply because "it is wrong"
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Russia may upset the middle east security situation by picking dictators over terrorists, but I don't think we will have a shooting involving the US military by established hostile security council governments unless we put boots on the ground. The Chinese are coming and going as they please
The US'a superpowerism has become supersized. We're now as nimble an cunning as a braindead land whale eating a GMO diet.
Where can I get my flu and pnemonia shots?
what was the name of that british flgship that was the state of the art warship for the british empire, roaming the south seas as a reminder to all the peasants they didn't have a chance of escaping, that was sunk by the last uppity upstart in the pacific?
I'll take: "'deparate attempts to get out of Chinese debt' for 1000 please"
Claims of territorial water and EEZ must derive frm land features and not exceed 200 miles. All states, including claimant have an obligation toprmote and search for a peaceful resolution of disputes. For some interesting ICJ judgments and other legal opinions on territiorial waters link: https://www.academia.edu/10574593/Falklands_Islands_Territorial_Waters The Delimitation of Maritime Areas Arbitration Canada/France of 10 June 1992 is of interest and shows how requests can be accommodated.