Paul Craig Roberts On The MH-17 Report: "Only An Idiot Would Believe It"

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Paul Craig Roberts,

When I read that the report on the downing of the Malaysian airliner over Ukraine was being
put in the hands of the Dutch, I knew that there would be no investigation and no attention to the facts.

And there wasn’t.

I did not intend to write about the report, because Washington’s propaganda has already succeeded, at least in the Western world, in its purpose of laying the blame on Russia. However, the misrepresentation of the Dutch report by Western media, such as NPR, is so outrageous as to make the media the story and not the report.

For example, I just heard NPR’s Moscow correspondent, Corey Flintoff, say that the missile that hit the airliner was fired by Ukrainian separatists who lack the technical ability to operate the system. Therefore, the missile had to have been fired by a Russian.

There is nothing in the Dutch report whatsoever that leads to this conclusion. Flintoff either is incompetent or lying or he is expressing his view and not the report’s conclusion.

The only conclusion that the report reaches is one that we already knew: if a Buk missile brought down the airliner, it was a Russian-made missile. The Dutch report does not say who fired it.

Indeed, the report places no blame on Russia, but it does place blame on Ukraine for not closing the airspace over the war area. Attorneys have stated in response to the report that families of those killed and the Malaysian airline itself are likely to file lawsuits against Ukraine for negligence.

Of course, there was nothing of this in Flintoff’s report.

As I wrote at the time of the airliner’s destruction, the Western media already had “the-Russians-did-it” story ready the moment the airliner was reported to be shot down. This story was very useful to Washington in hardening its European vassal states into sanctions against Russia, as there was some dissent. What Washington has never explained and the Western media has never asked is: What motive did separatists and Russia have to shoot down a Malaysian airliner?

None whatsoever. The Russian government would never allow such a thing. Putin would have immediately strung up those responsible.

Washington’s story makes no sense whatsoever. Only an idiot could believe it.

What motive did Washington have? Many. The demonization of Russia made it impossible for European governments to resist or abandon the economic sanctions that Washington is using to break economic and political relationships between Europe and Russia.

The Russian manufacturer of the Buk missile has proven that if a Buk missile was used, it was an old version that exists only in the Ukraine military. For some years the Russian military has been equipped with a replacement version that has a different signature in its destructive impact. The damage to the Malaysian airliner is inconsistent with the destructive force of the Buk missile in Russian service. The reports were given to the Dutch, but no effort was made to replicate and verify the validity of the tests conducted by the manufacturer of the missile. Indeed, the Dutch report does not even consider whether the airliner was downed by Ukrainian fighter jets. The report is as useless as the 9/11 Commission’s report.

Don’t expect any acknowledgement of this by the Western media, a collection of people who lie for a living.

The reason that the West has no future is that the West has no media, only propagandists for government and corporate agendas and apologists for their crimes. Every day the bought-and-paid-for-media sustains The Matrix that makes Western peoples politically impotent.

The Western media has no independence. An editor of a major German newspaper has written a book, a best-seller published in Germany, in which he states that not only he himself served the CIA as a reliable purveyor of Washington’s lies, but that every significant journalist in Europe does so also.

Obviously, his book has not been translated and published in America.

NPR, like all of Western media, has lost its integrity. NPR claims to be reader-supported. In fact, it is supported by corporations. Pay attention to the ads: “NPR is supported by xyz corporation working to sell you this or that product or service.”

The George W. Bush regime destroyed NPR by appointing two Republican female ideologues to oversee NPR’s public function. The two Republicans succeeded in making job security, not reporting integrity, the motive of NPR journalists.

As a person who worked with President Reagan to end the Cold War and associated nuclear threat, I am dismayed that the Western media has failed life on earth by resurrecting the prospect of nuclear armageddon.

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Looney's picture

The missile exploded, just as designed, a few feet away from the plane. Simple math, isn’t it?

So, how come nobody can do the reverse calculation to PINPOINT the launch site, within a few feet?

We can easily calculate the trajectory of the Slingshot around the Moon, or landing on a freaking asteroid. Elon Musk’s rockets have consistently smashed into a tiny barge in the ocean.

So, the freaking math works on those occasions, but not for the MH17 investigation?

Don’t they have a calculator, an abacus, or a Slide Rule in the Netherlands?  ;-)



greenskeeper carl's picture

sure is awefully convienent timing, don't yall think?

knukles's picture

Another example of Washington passing the Buk

Looney's picture

When I grow up, I wanna be a BUK-keeper ;-)


Bastiat's picture

Scathing and well deserved rip on the PBS which has become a true embarassment.  I don't know how those people can sit in front of the cameras/microphones and spew that shit. 

trulz4lulz's picture

The Propaganda and Brainwashing Syndicate. They offer a softer, more gentle audible presentation, for the discerning prole. Still brainwashing, just the gentle cycle.

Latina Lover's picture

Until they release the Black Box and Air Traffic Control recordings/transcripts, I won't bother reading anything put out by the Dutch. Obviously they are covering up for the Ukie USSA controlled puppet regime.

If there was a smoking gun condemning the Russians, the USSA media would be screaming it 24/7. Instead we hear crickets, except of course from the usual Ukie trolls

Jack Burton's picture

Have you ever heard of an air traffic crash investigation where the Black Box was kept secret? Have you ever heard of an air crash investigation that didn't even ask for the air traffic control tapes?

When has an air crash investigation NOT asked for testimony of the Air Traffic Controller who was in contact and handled the planes flight details?

The bitch woman who was on MH-17 has been on vaction for over a year and a half, not seen or heard from. She never went back to the tower.

CNN and NPR pretend with a straight face that this is even an investigation! Fuck'n hell!

jeff montanye's picture

kind of reminds me of the 9-11 investigation (no black box data released whatsoever).

this also looked fishy to me:

Malaysia not only disallows inquests. It has forbidden family members of the 43 Malaysian victims from opening the coffins. None of the kin of those killed was permitted to view the victims in their coffins, Wan Lailatul Masturah said. “We were not allowed by the government, nobody must see. All the corpses who came back were not allowed to be opened.”

Latina Lover's picture

Could you imagine being denied the right to see your dead wife or child because the "government' forbid it?? Does this not stink of a coverup?

gonetogalt's picture

The last major crash I remember that was this poorly investigated was when Bill Clinton's Sec of Commerce flew into a mountain near Saravejo or however you spell it...Totally buried, it was a hit.

Latina Lover's picture

Shouldn't you be calling yourself the Ukie whore?  If there was conclusive proof Russia shot down MH17, we would have had it within 24 hours of the crash.

Even the servile Dutch did not have the brass to lie openly and blame Russia.  They know their report is full of holes.

Socratic Dog's picture

Bit of a balls up in that autopsy reports on the Australians killed in the crime were released, briefly, to the public.  They showed none of the shrapnel wounds the Dutch report claims.  They were consistent with the air-to-air downing theory.

Wonder if NPR mentioned that?

Calmyourself's picture

The Netherlands do buy an awful lot of treasuries just when we need then too...  So they're obedient, servile nwo enablers..


Yes, I know its China..

Abitdodgie's picture

king whore did you not see when the ukraine fighter piolt came forward and said he did it because he was told it was putins jet that was in the area at the time (by 15 min) , fuck why would Russia shoot down a commercial jet , what just for shits and giggles.

Abitdodgie's picture

Why dont you tell us that Putin has a death star and throws babies out of inqubators , go back to google.

Son of Loki's picture

Flintoff and Reems are two of the biggest PBS pro-Dem DC propaganda mouthpieces imho. Not worth listening to anymore it's so distorted and biased.

EddieLomax's picture

This pilot was supposedly flying a SU-25, the plane couldn't get to the airliners altitude, nor could it catch up with the airliner, lastly, do you really believe that the small AA missiles a plane can carry would one shot a airliner?  Especially when these would be heat seeking and go for the engines instead of the cockpit.

This is where conspiracy theorists go full retard, yes there are a lot of wrong things being done that are reported differently or ignored, but not everything, by buying into the narrative that Russia/Seperatists/whoever can do no harm, the truth is that they are both good and bad, Syria and this.

Tall Tom's picture

Do tell me the reason why Top Gun was instituted for US Navy Fighter pilots at THEN Miramar Naval Air Station...(The US Marines took over Miramar in the Clinton military downsizing in the middle 1990s.)


Was it due to heavy losses in Vietnam where Soviet trained Fighter Pilots were blowing American fighter jets out of the sky with CANNON FIRE...after the American fighter pilots had depleted their Air to Air Missile Munitions?


Where do you think that Ukranian Fighter Pilots received their training? The West?


Ukraine, after all, was a SOVIET Socialist Republic...before the breakup of that EMPIRE BUILDING REGIME.


Schools of thought, however, are extremely resistant to change. Ukrainian Fighter Pilots are trained under former Soviet Fighter Pilots.


Russian trained Fighter pilots are more reliant upon CANNON FIRE that Air to Air missiles...If you have done any rudimentary study of strategy and tactics used by the Soviet Air Forces then you'd KNOW THAT LITTLE FACT.


So just how is Annapolis, Md. these days? Or are you out of West Point? No? Then you must have studied at Boulder, Colorado.


No? What? You did NOT go to War College? 


(Hint...It is a TRAP QUESTION. If you admit going to War College then you are an outright LIAR as you would know much better than the outright BULLSHIT which you dreamed up.. If you deny ever going to War College then you are a total IGNORAMOUS as you haven't a clue about what you are writing about....Your choice.)


Now that is a fucking laughable comment which you wrote. isn't it???.

kralizec's picture

For the era all that is correct, I was based at Mirimar in Hanger #1 a long long time ago.

But surely, you cannot suggest the missiles hanging off of MiG's and Sukhoi's today are merely for decoration?

Now we can go back to discussing who's BUK it is...

Crash N. Burn's picture

"buying into the narrative that Russia/Seperatists/whoever can do no harm"


Right, its not like the Ukies would shoot down a plane full of civilians. Oopsie:


"Ukraine finally admitted yesterday that its military shot down a Russian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea last week, killing all 78 passengers and crew."

Ukraine admits it shot down Russian airliner


"On July 21 Russia also released a radar image showing what they claimed to be an SU-27 fighter jet in close proximity to flight MH17. Ukraine had previously denied that there were any military aircraft near MH17, but they then reversed their story and said that the SU-27 was "escorting" the flight."


Flight MH17 - What You're Not Being Told


DutchR's picture

the kings whore is click bait, probably a Tyler, since he is here for some time....

conscious being's picture

This is /sarc right? The King's Whore, is that like The Court Fool?

Nexus789's picture

What a useless plonker you are. The Ukrainian military have been operating the BUK system for a long time. My guess is that they thought they were shooting down Putin's plane. Same colour and at 35,000ft it would not be possible to verify what they were firing at - except it was the same or a similar colour. The more the West lies the more it is a cover up.

Tall Tom's picture

It was taken down by CANNON FIRE from Ukranian Fighter Jets scrambled to intercept.


There ia absolutely no empirical evidence of Missile tracks or Plumes from ANYWHERE on the ground.


However the PICTURES of the holes in the Cockpit from the Cannon Rounds was more than convincing.


They are using the BUK Missile System as a RUSE...unfortunately quite affectively as you swallowed the bait, hook, line and the sinker.

kralizec's picture

I'd like to see this, as well as some forensic evidence capable of determing cannon fire (pretty big and nasty I imagine) from shrapnel from missile impact/explosion.

fallout11's picture

For what it is worth, I am a former USAF battle damage repair analyst (and mechanical engineer). 
To be super simplistic, cannon fire will leave ragged round-ish entry holes, even with impact fuzed shells, while a SAM (with proximity detonation) will leave ragged triangular-ish shaped entry holes. 

Demologos's picture

Did the King's Whore upvote himself (and I do mean "himself")? Dozens of planes flew over Ukraine that day. Only one was redirected over a war zone and ordered to descend to a lower altitude. Was that done by Putin personally?

OverTheHedge's picture

Another desperate attempt to get people to click on your  unbelievably pointless, worthless excuse for a blog. It's not useful information, it's not literature-I don't actually know what it is, other than shot. (That was me swearing, but my pile of shot, carp Kindle keeps retyping, as it knows best)

ZerOhead's picture

The Ron Brown accident was thoroughly investigated by competent Government Investigators.

Left unanswered in the multimillion dollar investigation conducted by some of the best lawyers money could buy was:

1) WTF was the Commerce Secretary doing in Croatia


2) WTF was the .45 calibre bullet hole doing in the top of his head

drunkenlout's picture

.45 cal bullet holes are common in the heads of deceased Americans.  Particularly so, in the heads of Black Americans.  Idjus bidness as usuamole.  Move on, nothing to see here.

ZerOhead's picture

On April 3, 1996, Commerce Secretary Ron Brown and 34 others were killed when their Air Force Boeing 737 crashed into a mountainside in Croatia. One day after the crash, before any real investigation had begun, Defense Secretary William Perry told the Associated Press that the plane crash was "a classic sort of accident that good instrumentation should be able to prevent." The Air Force soon agreed and, in its ensuing investigation, determined that the tragic event was due to navigational error. Since that time, certain anomalies have come to light regarding the crash:

  • Ron Brown was found with a .45-inch inwardly beveling circular hole in the top of his head, which resembled a gunshot wound. Despite this suspicious wound, the Air Force medical examiners decided not to order an autopsy.


TheReplacement's picture

The guy carried water for the Clintons and got a bullet for his silence.  So what? 

In other news, mafia soldier found slain...

Wile-E-Coyote's picture

Another cover up Concorde flight 4590, incompetent French engineers left out a shim from the left bogie wheel, firefighters witnessed a wheel on fire as the plane stood at the end of the runway waiting for clearance to take off, their testimony was never used in the investigation. The whole report was a cover up because Air France was up for sale at the time; they had to protect the float price.

EddieLomax's picture

If that was true and well known, then why did BA ground its entire fleet?  And why also did BA then spend millions upgrading their fuel tanks?  It seems like they did something with nothing to gain here.

Tall Tom's picture

BA wasted its money. The Concorde never flew any commercial passengers again.


Corporations are really good at wasting other people's money.


Look at the cash outflows from today's Biotech Firms...and get a good laugh as they will collapse.

newdoobie's picture

Stink is right! the bodies were out  in the sun for days


TheReplacement's picture


Everyone and anyone has an absolute right to view their family and friends if they are claimed to have died, PERIOD.

Latina Lover's picture

Remember the Germanwings crash? It took less than 72 hours to release the cockpit recordings. Yet the Fucking Dutch can't produce them after 15 months??

I'll bet Putin has a copy of the black box recordings and is waiting for the right time to stick it to the USSA/EU/Dutch and Ukie stooges.


"The managing director of Germanwings, Thomas Winkelmann, said the Airbus A320 rapidly lost altitude for more than eight minutes before crashing in the French Alps on Tuesday. By AP on Publish Date March 24, 2015. Photo by Patrik Stollarz/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images.Mar 24, 2015 Germanwings Crash in French Alps Kills 150; Cockpit Voice ... The New York Times

cheech_wizard's picture

I remember looking into the 3 planes that went down after the one in Ukraine. All their black boxes were recovered in days, if not weeks...(Only because one went down in a somewhat remote area in Africa.)

So yes, it's complete bullshit.

Torn Frequency's picture

They intentionally left out a lot of holes in the report. I'm Dutch, all i can say is a lot of Dutch on Dutch forums don't buy into the whole story either. I can't say i didn't expect this though, some experts that where working on the investigation got pulled out of it because they said the process was not free from politics like it should be. The black box's got send to the UK, and you might be right on that since the rebels had a hold of the black box's first. However, like with the other malaysian airplane that vanished, there are quite a few anomolies here with MH17, one of them is that the plane climbed to a unsafe attitude, and there was also a investigative reporter there from the UK looking into the Ebola outbreak in Africa. With the other plane i was refering too, Rothschilds now own a particular semiconductor, since.. well.. the whole research team that held the patent rights.. died on the flight in question. Since propaganda is heating up on all major news networks.. owned by a handful of people, i can bet they are preparing to launch us all into a world war for their benefit. NATO is already flooding in troops into Turkey. No matter what Putin will put forth as a brilliant move, i fear these powers have their minds made up. 

Gavrikon's picture

LL, I sent you a contact request.  Like your comments a lot, and would like ot have a discussion about Ukraine via Chat.

Jack Burton's picture

I am old enough to have listened to NPR descend to the depths of liars and propagandists. Actually, their lies are carefully crafted and artful, in some cases pure genious. In others, the rush to lie is so urgent that they minic FOX. In either case, NPR is so foul and tainted that they are hopeless tools of Neoconservattive Washington.

Here in Minnesota, MPR and NPR ask us for money every couple months. Saying they are Listerner supported, then run corporate commerical every 15 minutes!

Their lies about Afghanistan were the worst drivel and vomet. All GI's helping little girls to Afghan schools, while fighting taliban hand to hand in the mountains, gaining hard won victories every day! Fuck, the drivel! Like yo Bastiat, I wonder how they can sit and spew their shit. But we do know why and how don't we. The useless cunts do it for the money, and for the easy job of reading State department and Pentagon handouts.

swmnguy's picture

You're quite right about MPR.  It's a corporate empire of its own.

I recently worked with Cathy Wurzer on a meeting for the Mayo Clinic.  It was pretty interesting; both the meeting and Ms. Wurzer.  She is a highly competent, pleasant professional.  But I learned a lot watching her scan some notes, formulate the questions that sounded like what the audience would want to hear answered, but which allowed the interviewee to recite their script.  Clearly Ms. Wurzer is very practiced at it.  If I were ever to be interviewed, and to wish not to say anything substantive, I'd want her to interview me.

Latina Lover's picture

Jack Burton, I don't waste any time watching or reading USSA MSM media,except when  I need updates on the lies they want me to believe.  How is  it, for example, that Russia Today has more views on youtube than the BBC, CNN, CNBS etc? Could it be because RT offers a different opinion, and has somewhat balanced reporting?  When I occasionally watch FOX, I just cannot believe the endless BS that comes out  of their reporters mouths. 

The lies are so blatant that they are embarrassing, such as it is the Afghan's fault that the USSA bombed a Hospital, only  later to admit that the US was responsible. There must be a special place waiting  in hell for these shameless liars.