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China Says Military Will "Stand Up And Use Force" If US Sends Warships To Islands
Earlier this week, US officials indicated that they are set to go through with a plan to sail warships around China’s man-made islands in the Spratlys.
“It’s just a matter of time when it happens,” one government source told WSJ.
Over the course of the last six months, we’ve seen China’s land reclamation efforts go from oddity, to spectacle, to alleged “provocation”, to excuse for war as Washington feels compelled to come to the aid of its allies in the South Pacific who cried foul after it became apparent that this was no “normal” dredging effort.
In short, China has created some 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory and the US claims Beijing is effectively trying to redraw maritime boundaries on the way to establishing new military outposts. For its part, China denies the allegations and has responded with a peculiar mix of veiled threats (tweaking the wording of its official maritime strategy), not-so-veiled threats (telling a US spy plane with a CNN crew on board to “go now”), and humorous propaganda (a series of pictures from Fiery Cross depicting women, puppies, and gardens).
Despite efforts to de-escalate the matter when Xi visited the US this month, Beijing looks set to draw a line in the sand (no pun intended) when it comes to allowing the US to sail warships near the islands. Here’s AFP with more:
Chinese media slammed the US Thursday for "ceaseless provocations" in the South China Sea, with Washington expected to soon send warships close to artificial islands Beijing has built in disputed waters.
Following a meeting of American and Australian officials Tuesday, US Defense Secretary Ash Carter warned Beijing that Washington will continue to send its military where international law allows, including the South China Sea.
The remarks were backed by Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, who said the two countries are "on the same page."
An editorial in The Global Times, which is close to China's ruling Communist party, condemned Washington's "ceaseless provocations and coercion".
"China mustn't tolerate rampant US violations of China's adjacent waters and the skies over those expanding islands," it said, adding that its military should "be ready to launch countermeasures according to Washington's level of provocation," it added.
The warship or ships would pass within the 12-mile territorial limit China claims around the structures to demonstrate that US commanders do not recognise it.
Such a move, the Global Times suggested, could be a "breach of China's bottom line".
"If the US encroaches on China's core interests, the Chinese military will stand up and use force to stop it," the paper warned.
There you go. It doesn't get much clearer than that.
Obviously, there's little doubt that China will use these islands for some military purpose. Whether that purpose will be extremely limited (as Beijing has suggested without explicitly acknowledging the militarization of the reefs) remains to be seen.
One question that one might fairly ask here however, is whether the US really needs to sail by the islands just to see if can do so without getting shot at. It isn't, after all, as though China is on the verge of using the Spratlys as a staging ground for an invasion of the entire South Pacific so one wonders whether it might not be better to wait until there is some legitimate purpose for a pass-by. That way, Beijing can't point to a deliberate "provocation."
Whatever the case, we suppose we will see in the next week or so who blinks first.
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A little background on the latest developments with accompanying visuals...
Despite the fact that China claimed to have largely completed its dredging efforts in the Spratlys in June, Bonnie Glaser, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, tells a different story. Here’s what Glaser has to say about a series of new images shown below and available at the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative:
China is still dredging in the South China Sea. Satellite imagery of Subi Reef taken in early September shows dredgers pumping sediment onto areas bordered by recently built sea walls and widening the channel for ships to enter the waters enclosed by the reef. On Mischief Reef, a dredger is also at work expanding the channel to enable easier access for ships, possibly for future use as a naval base.
This activity comes in the wake of assertions by China that its land reclamation has ended in the Spratly Island chain. On August 5, during the ASEAN Regional Forum in Kuala Lumpur, Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi told reporters, “China has already stopped. You look, who is building? Take a plane and look for yourself.” He did not pledge that China would refrain from construction and militarization on the newly-created islands, however.
Wang Yi reiterated that China’s construction on the islands is mainly “to improve the working and living conditions of personnel there” and for “public good purposes.” To date, however, China’s activity appears focused on construction for military uses. Recently built structures on Fiery Cross Reef include a completed and freshly painted 3,000-meter runway, helipads, a radar dome, a surveillance tower, and possible satellite communication facilities.
Apparent Chinese preparations for building lengthy airstrips on Subi and Mischief raise questions about whether China will pose challenges to freedom of navigation in the air and sea surrounding those land features in the future.
The persistence of dredging along with construction and militarization on China’s artificial islands underscore Beijing’s unwillingness to exercise self-restraint and look for diplomatic paths to reduce tensions with its neighbors, the United States, and other nations with an interest in the preservation of peace and stability in the South China Sea. U.S. calls for all claimants in the South China Sea to halt land reclamation, construction, and militarization have been rejected by China, which views the status quo as unfavorable to its interests.
On the eve of President Xi Jinping’s visit to the United States, Beijing appears to be sending a message to President Barack Obama that China is determined to advance its interests in the South China Sea even if doing so results in heightened tensions with the United States.
And more from Gregory Poling, a fellow with the Sumitro Chair for Southeast Asia Studies and the Pacific Partners Initiative at CSIS and AMTI director.
Earlier this year, the addition of an airfield on Fiery Cross Reef provided a more southerly runway capable of handling most if not all Chinese military aircraft. And in June, satellite photos indicated that China was preparing to lay down another runway at Subi Reef. New photos taken on September 3 show grading work at Subi, providing further evidence that runway construction there is planned. Meanwhile work at the Fiery Cross airfield is well advanced, with China recently laying down paint.
Satellite photos taken on September 8 contain an unanticipated development, indicating that China may be preparing to construct another airstrip at Mischief Reef. These images show that a retaining wall has been built along the northwest side of the reef, creating a roughly 3,000-meter rectangular area.
And the new visuals:
We'll close with the following from Robert Kaplan, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security in Washington who spoke to Bloomberg:
“The Chinese have a classic Sun Tzu philosophy of incremental steps. Because it is small steps, the Americans and their allies will not be able to respond in a strong fashion because they will seem to be over reacting. That is what makes China’s approach so infuriating.”
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China and russia sitting in a tree.. ISIS'ING
...Sales Of Luxury Goods Fall In ChinaOnce our flotilla approaches the 12-mile zone, China will need to fire a single shot – a “$100 Billion sell UST” shot. I think? ;-)
Looney
Sink one of those boats and everybody will be selling UST. So probably not in their interest... yet.
China - "In other news, 7 more chemical plants have mysteriously exploded."
The US should just tell China that we're going to open a naval base on the island that they built.
Five years or so untill WWIII. You still have time to prepare. Hopefully things will be better after it's over and we rebuild.
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html
There is absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution about risking American naval assets and lives to throw its weight around the Spratlys. Anyone in the DoD involved in this pathetic penis-waving should be arrested, court-martialed or dismissed. Any idiot in congress calling for this should be impeached.
Of course that will never happen, but when the U.S. goes Illinois and can't pay government employees, pensioners and the military by printing anymore (if that's even possible), then this won't be an issue. When that happens, the only thing Washington will have to worry about is whether they go into the wood-chippers feet-first or head-first.
In the mean time, maybe the fucking hypocrites in Congress can explain tacit support for Saudi Arabia's slaughter of Yemei civilians while the U.S. silently builds it's massive naval base on Socotra when they have no fucking right to do so.
The Chinese have correctly figured out that the American public is tired of war. Thanks to the fucking idiotic neocons.
Yes, but that's easily fixed by another 9/11 style false flag op. They'll go even bigger on the next one.
I hope it's funnier next time, maybe paint a moustache on the Statue of Liberty and blame it on Putin.
BAM! who put that mine there? We don't know...it's in "international waters" you figure it out.
Obama will have a wardrobe malfunction at his next Status of the Union (or equivalent) speech.
How many Jews near those Islands?
None, you don't say.
Well it seems we have the green light for the big show.
The US public will not be tired of war if someone attacks one of their warships. Especially if they get to watch streaming video of the US military blowing up Chinese ships.
If this cunt nation's government wasn't chock full of cunts, madmen, and incompetents, the way to tweak the Chinese wouldn't be to float your 50 years out-dated MASSIVE FUCKING TARGETS around hostile seas, but rather to begin constructing a dozen or so of YOUR OWN FUCKING ISLANDS in the Spratleys.
This would completely flummox the Chinese, as they cannot claim exclusive territorial rights yet say those of the US or Vietnamese Etc. are void.
Is there no one at all in our .gov or .mil with more than 8 working brain cells? Anyone?
The "Easiest" way will be full US recognition as an independent state followed by deployment to Taiwan...no need to build Islands thousands of miles away when we're just offshore. The Japanese tried to do the island thingy in WW2...didn't work out too well for them when we simply went around em...
Want to see Chinese heads explode?...tell em Taiwan isn't theirs....
Bingo! Give the man the large bubblegum cigar. Spot on, monkeyman.
Taiwan isn't theirs anyway. Mainland China belongs to the Taiwanese! And if you let them take Taiwan, next they'll want Hawaii.
The Chinese are brave fellas, in a Chineses sort of way, gonads the size of gnat larvee and all. Lots of them sure, but they're not much for strategic sense or experienced with the American double-cross. Our man in Moscow, Putin, certainly has their back. LoL
This is going to be one of the funniest things to happen since Hannibal's elelphants crossed the snowy Alps.
You all remember what happened to Carthage, right? Well, Cathay is tempting a similar fate today. Laughing at Timmy Geithner was not a very respectful thing for those Chinese students to do. Poor Timmy! And now the Chinese are paying the price for that incredibly stupid indiscretion.
Were I advising China right now, I would tell them to push the dredged sand back into the sea, and sell their U.S. Treasuries to the FED for three cents on the dollar, while they're still worth that.
The portrait of America the weak, collapsing empire, and Obama the wimp has been masterfully drawn.
Obama is just a front man for the charade. And the days of Communist China are numbered no matter what the Chinese do at this point.
What's going on right now is just a ridiculous Chinese fire drill, before the bear trap springs shut with a thundering ka-thwomp.
America is not a conquering empire though. We'll just send the Japs in to run things for a while instead. LoL
Taiwan would be a good place to launch drones from as well, watch the ChiCom's as they work away like busy little bees...no need to enter any contestants into the South China Sea Yacht Race. But hey, we all know the Dear Leader in DC is going to do something stupid, so just have a drink and watch the stupid unfold.
As with WWII - the question remains - what technology has the U.S. developed with all the time and money it had since its golden years?
TR-3B is just one example that comes to mind. Don't think the outcome to all of this is so obvious - plus there could be the usual rhetoric all sides engage in
Only the strong can act weak Joe Trader. You are entirely correct.
The elite won't spend cash on that. They get no returns. All thats left is talk and the world know it.
In fact, the Vietnamese and the Philippinos started reclamation way before China yet the US didn't seem to mind.
Disagree; the majority of Americans believe their own government was complicit more or less on 9/11 and everybody is upset over declining living standards for everybody but the 0.01%. They won't support fiighting China over some islands. How we would fight each other without going nuclear is a conundrum that can't be solved anyway; it would become a proxy battle with China sending divisions to Syria to piss us off. The most informed Americans read alternative news sites like Zerohedge and know this is a ZioNazi government with a repugnant foreign policy.
Also the potential loss (say China ramming a US ship or otherwise deterring it) are not outweighed by the potential gain, so the game theoretic best strategy is for the US Navy to do nothing.
I suggest you are wrong on most every point. Most Americans are not truthers. They are tired of a flatlined economy but do not agree on why it is so. Some want more government to fix it and some understand we need less.
China is making a direct stand and that is what morons in the Obama administration and you do not see. They are not unlike Hitler who said what his ultimate aims were and then played footsies with a mix of right and wrong words until he was strong enough.
Once they fortify the islands and set up an integrated air and naval defense (missile) system they will go full belligerent.
Then, instead of having a moderate problem, we will have a huge problem on the order of the Normandy invasion instead of a Somali pirate sized problem.
Doing nothing is exactly the right answer, though...but for China.
Ash Carter warned Beijing that Washington will continue to send its military where international law allows
And the Chinese will send their YJ-18s where international law allows - right into the side of a ship entering their claimed territorial sea.
Have they already begun building at Socotora? I once read there were 'not so secret' plans to do so, but never heard of it anymore. You have any sources? Just asking out of curiosity. The place looks like paradise would be such a shame if Marines spoiled the scenery!
Threr's no stories because it's suppose to be secret. FARS had this: http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940607001440
Most of the other news stories about Socotra claim it's a Saudi Naval Base that's being built, but that's kind of pointless for them. They're involved, but the asians working there claim Americans are building it. The U.S. has been trying to kick the Russians out of there and build their own base for decades.
The base will be in an already built-up area, so the ecology won't be (too) threatened. The island stopped getting fuel and propane deliveries BECAUSE of the Yemei war. This was actually threatening the cool, alien-looking trees on the island because the natives were chopping them down for heating and cooking. One can only hope the U.S./Saudi 'secret' base has brought enough supplies to the island that the people are not using 1000-year-old trees for firewood. But when has anything good ever happened when the U.S. shows up somewhere?
Thanks for the insight, yeah I've seen pictures of those trees, would be a pity if they became extinct because of the war. If it wasn't for the war I would have visited the place, as it is, I have to postpone it.
Thanks anyway and let's keep a watchful eye on Socotra and its trees. :)
There's a joke about Arab seamen in there somewhere...
This provocation is absolutely stupid and unnecessary. A juvenile pissing contest. The US has put itself in a position where they either;
a) Follow through and risk a war with China
b) Back down and look even weaker and more stupid than they do now
Putin has called their bluff in the ME. The Chinese will do the same in the South China Sea.
Brilliant post Paveway....succint, true and impossible to refute.
God damn the US is heading for an epic fcking over of itself...the collapse is going to be stunning.
redacted.
Just build naval and air bases in Vietnam and the Philippines on either side of the Spratleys and watch the Red China Man bust a brain blood vessel.
Oh You mean employ the same US strategies as in Ukraine and Middle East?
Because Vietnam would be so happy to play host to the US.
I heard that they are running long on napalm
US strategy should be to back off and let China take up the role of empire building until they bankrupt all their citizens and collapse. It would be nice if our rulers thought about U.S. citizens for a while.
its the British thing to do
and the french and the spanish and....
you left out the Romans.
We need lots moar military bases; right now we only have 3,862 bases around the world.
Why not just round it off at 10,000, while yer exaggerating?
Besides which, simple military maneuvers are not what is necessary here. What they should be sending in is a military public-relations flotilla, complete with live coverage from every ship as it approaches mile 13 away from the islands. Watch the Chinese try to figure out whether they should kill people on live television simply because they came within 13 miles of an artificially created and of dubious legal precedent island in the middle of the worlds busiest shipping lanes.
The Chinese navy should pick up the survivors of Diego Garcia and drop them off at the island with supplies and weapons on live TV. Not that would be funny.
I predict we'll back off and call for negotiations. With China laughing.
US strategy should be to back off and let China take up the role of empire building until they bankrupt all their citizens and collapse. It would be nice if our rulers thought about U.S. citizens for a while.
Yes. Let someone else loot their citizens and destroy their economy, currency, and credibility by playing global hegemon.
Then follow up with an anonymous man made sunami. These dirt piles can't be much higher than sea level. No one would ever guess!
They lack USSA's altruism.
MUHAHAHAHAHA!
Yeah, how did that work out with Nazi Germany and the USSR? Where would they have stopped on their own? I know...Peoria!
We do it everywhere else. (occupy that is)
Damn straight! Uncle Sam can divvy up the sand castles between Vietnam and the Philippines -- a moot point since they'll all be US bases. In compensation the US could offer to fluoridate China's water supply.
Chinese military? Lmfao!
If China's military has the same quality level as its products, the U.S. has nothing to worry about.
I'm sorry, but it's true. Every Chinese-made product that I ever bought either broke in half or burst into flames. Of course, there was also the Chinese-made bath towel that didn't actually dry me. It just pushed the water around my body.
I'm sure China is capable of making quality products, but that hasn't happened yet. In all fairness, their industrial revolution has been quite rushed, and there are neither quality controls or pollution controls in place yet.
And, yes, electronics from China are cheap. But if you have to buy the same flat-screen TV six times in a short period of time because it doesn't last, then it's not really cheap.
I've always been willing to pay more for a quality product that actually lasts. In the long run, a product that lasts a long time saves you money.
Perhaps you own an iphone that's made in China.
Those are made with Western manufacturing methods, standards and supervision. That is what China has been importing for two decades. It is not simply the jobs. They want to know HOW we actually do it. It takes a generation or two to learn all the parts of the process and do it well. Their culture and economy did not support it before but it may in the future.
It's called planned obsolescence--invented by the US auto industry. (cars carefully made to fall apart in 4 years) A proven fact.
China only builds what they’re contracted to build …… even an idiot should recognize that. Typical exceptional American I assume.
China is only building the shit to US corporation's specifications. Take it out on every fucking importer, supplier and distributor. Also to the assholes who shifted all manufacturing over there.
It's amazing. You say something honest about China on ZH you get massive downvotes. It's either a gang of know-nothing fuktards or wumao.
Entertaining.
China just builds “stuff” or are they building things according to a contract / deal decided before they build the fucking thing – JFC you really don’t get that part? – holy shit.
Funny how everybody contracts them to build the flimsy crap they're famous for.
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The jackholes of Wall Street --- who regulate the US Congress and the White House --- have shipped them our jobs, have shipped them our technology (speaking as one of the creators of that technology), have shipped them all the investment, and have shipped them our private personal data (when they outsourced the coding of the Einsten 3 program, that is essentially why they did) --- so it is high time they shipped them our nukes!
Selling their UST may be in China's interest now.
"Sink one of those boats and everybody will be selling UST. So probably not in their interest... yet."
If China fires and hits a ship it is possible that the US then declares China a hostile nations who has committed a terrorist act against the US. At that point the US could void all UST held by China.
At least that is my thought. Not sure of the mechanism to keep China from selling the UST to someone other than the US.
At that point the US could void all UST held by China.
And what would China do next, Einstein? Every fortune 500 company has moved their manufacturing plants there. Might they nationalize them in response?
In chess, the goal is to think more than one move ahead, which clearly is beyond your flea-sized IQ.
#CantWinWarVsChina
Especially since a lot of "strategic minerals" are only being produced in China right now.
"Sink one of those boats and everybody will be selling UST. So probably not in their interest... yet."
Are you kidding? If China sinks a US Navy ship, the 10yr would go to 20bps, maybe lower.
And then the Rothschilds would buy them all. Sounds like a plan, eh?
I'm guessing they would want to buy them before that move.
Why is there no mention of International Law, there are countries much nearer to the Spratly's than China, why no appeals to the Hague?
The Fed will just quietly monetise it. Carry on, nothing to see here folks.
Sun Tzu - "Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory."
Game over....
beautifully applied.
"First you win. Then you fight"
This is the strategy I follow in the information war against the Elites.
What does the old Tzuman say about pissing in your own bath tub to the point where you have no potable water left?
pods
Sun Tzu - "Not a good idea."
I believe you are right, those Chinese billionaires (which now outnumber US billionaires) have been drinking too much benjo water!
Incremental steps: right out of the frog-boiling book
Only Saudi Arabia is allowed to print islands......
They make them pretty though.
Chinese Islands are ugly.
The Chinese just have a different slant on the way they see beauty...
If you squint, they look nice.
They need to proceed with caution. If they put too many people or too much equipment on those islands, they may "Tip over and capsize"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA
It just might. After all, a U.S. congressman can't be wrong can he? / sarc
Wonder how long those man-made islands can withsstand a cruise missile barage?
BRING IT ON!
that you McCain ?
hard to sink an island... easy to sink carrier groups
Yup, and they only have one. We have 10.
And you want to know the surest way to get something accomplished? Tell us it can't be done. We are the most contentious people on this planet. So, if you say to us "you can't sink an island..." our response will be "watch us try."
Who is "us"? As I"ve said many times, 'murica is nothing but a bunch of disjoint races, cultures, languages, and values all held together by the promise of free shit.
Just like we were in the late 1930s. All it took was one equally stupid military decision from Imperial Japan to change that in a hurry.
This won't be like the fight against terror. Terrorism has no flag, it has no state. We can put a name to it, but it's fluid.
If China fucks this up, we have an enemy. One we can point to. One we can see. One that puts on a uniform that looks different than the rest of the population. And we will unite.
Junk away ZOG conspiritards. At this point the only question left to ask is "if you hate the place so much, and don't feel like you can change it, why are you still here?"
If the war is televised, it will be extremely popular. Obama might even salvage his legacy.
Counterpoint -- I already left.
That being said -- no one hates the United States. Its fill with mostly great people, beautiful landscape & a wealth of interesting pockets of culture and a great quality of life. There are many people who hate the government.
Take for example the country you hate the most -- we all have one in our head. On average -- you could sit down with a citizen from there over a beer and have not a problem in the world. Sit down with their government, and its another story.
For many of us disgruntled Libertarians who see the world for what it really is -- we like the people, hate the government.
You sound weak. We will run over you, take your gold and install our bankers as your master.
"We" have an enemy --- kemosabe?
'Fraid not, sonny, those of us who have fought the wars, done the chores (created all that technology they offshored to China) and gotten screwed by the Wall Street jackholes while they have offshored our jobs, technology and investment to China, know who the realy enemy is!
Yeah.... you'd be united alright, and after about half a hour you can unite as burning ashes and dust. You might want to rethink the possibility of winning from a fellow nuclear power, that produces most of what you consume yet always berate, owns a lot of US debt, has always been kind enough to keep a dialouge open and honest enough to tell when crossing the line, and invests in your country. Think about that for a while, oh wait.. you didn't. Here's another hint, its not smart to pick a fight with a country that has 1.4 billion people living there, as for the uniform part, you won't even see one chinese soldier on the US continent, read above part.. nuclear power, their not insane enough to land on a continent where most civilians have gun ownership. They'll just nuke the shit out of the united states :O
At one time held together by an amazing Constitution.
A tale for the mentally retarded.
And the nukes on Jew York. China can survive even if she loses 500 million o her people. But what will happen to Murica?
nukes do not care about population density when they deliver their yeild...
I wonder how many underground bunkers either side's cities have. Underground space seemed pretty standard when I visited Beijing.
WTF do we need to send warships there for anyway? if theres a "problem" (as in we need to extract people from an embassy or something in SE asia), then i GET it. but just to buzz by them for the sake of TESTING the chinese is ridiculous. whats even more ridiculous is that now, obama probably feels compelled to send our warships there because of the egg on his face from drawing a "red line" with syria, pulling a few of our destroyers right up to the coast, only to stand-down. i was never in favor of hitting syria, but you can't call yourself the big kid on the block, threaten someone if hey do something, they do it, then u puss-out.
i gotta better idea. instead of pissing all this $$$ away that its gonna coast to sail a few warships over there just to "test" the chinese, why not use every penny of it to pay down the principal on the debt. im guessing THAT idea NEVER crosses his mind. more peace, less debt. something i thought a "nobel peace prize winning" president would be in favor of.
Well the the USN will not be able to interdict shipping at will, ermmm, protect the sea
lanes, if those pesky island bases get operational.Only Uncle Scam is allowed the
freedom of the sea, to keep them safe for domocracy, and all.
Understand now ?
"Dumbocracy."
FIFY.
It's for the good of the Global children.
If you really want an answer, read on. If you are just venting...stop.
Navigation of sea lanes is one of the oldest reasons for going to war. If we do not "test" them, and succeed, the Chinese can cut off all of the traffic through the China Sea...which would effectively cut Japan off from the world.
If we do not test them, and succeed, then the Chinese can actually act as the toll collector for those routes. They would probably search ships on the high seas, and impound stuff they want.
This is really a big deal. And no one seems to "get it."
This is the kind of shit we have gone to war over in the past (WWII was about embargoing shipments by sea, WWI was about free sea lanes to Europe, and the War of 1812 was about EXACTLY this type of shit.)
So you're saying that shipping all the factories to China may have been a bad idea, in hindsight?
As the worlds major exporter its down to the Chinese to uphold freedom of the seas.
Something, at least in their minds,they are doing,the pivot to asia is the threatening move,
and this is merely a response to that threat..
What, apart from death and destruction, does Pax Americana still export exactly ?
Times have changed.
Well Winston, its not popular to bring this up on ZH, but all across Asia people are getting fed up with the fucking commies. The PI, Vietnam, Indonesia, Taiwan, Japan, Korea.... alllllll are embroiled in territorial disputes with the commies.
Nobody in Asia wants to see an ascending commie China. Nobody.
The US are being fucking retards. All the US has to do is sit back and let the commies hang themselves, because at the rate they're going, it's coming much much sooner than these fortune cookie reading cocksuckers like Kaplan are pretending.
But no... the US has to go and stick its big swinging dick in its own ass again.
Same as it ever was.
Intelligence such as yours, Dr. Bonzo, is to be prized.
But Korporate AmeriKa stopped doing that long ago . . .
So you're saying that shipping all the factories to China may have been a bad idea, in hindsight?
If you don't hold it, you don't own it. Isn't that a favorite ZH ryme?
Save your breath Doc, you are not going to change any minds around this bunch. Why don't we let someone from China weight in....oh that's right, ZH IS BANNED IN CHINA, AS IS CRITICIZING THE GOVERNMENT AND IT'S LEADERS. Your right, almost everybody in Asia HATES CHINA. Vietnam wants us to return to Cam Rham Bay, and the Philippines wants us back at Subic and Clark {which we are doing as I type}. The ZH crowd has morphed into a bunch of reds. I lurked on this sight for a long time {years} before I signed on. Back then it was full of people who were intelligent and insightful. Those people left a long time ago for greener pastures. I'm not sure why I am still around. Allot of people here think that the world will be a better place once China, Iran and Russia become dominant. They haven't a fucking clue. Just a bunch of soft westerners who don't travel outside of their comfortable venues to see what is REALLY going on. I just returned from a ten day visit to the Baltic's and Poland. What I saw there would cause you to piss yourself. Sure scared the hell out of me.
Some source of information that you have been trusting has misled you.
Neither reading ZH, nor commenting on ZH, is banned in China.
Ok, now go out onto the street and at the top of your lungs and start screaming how the party is full of nothing but a bunch of criminals. I don't expect I would be hearing from you anytime too soon after that, eh?
The West does have a particularly sophisticated way of encouraging
criticism of government (the whole red team vs. blue team dynamic)
while suppressing dangerous speech. [“Don’t taze me bro!”]
What did you see in the Baltics and Poland that scared the hell out of you?
OK hold the phone! Yo are telling me WW2 was fought over shipping lanes and not because a man was able to turn his country around to become a super-power, feed everyone, have jobs, explore space and get rid of all central banks? Man, i need a breather here...
WW2 started with a Nazi false flag in Poland. Hitler sent some guys over to shell themselves.
Yep, and WWI was fought because 2 cousins wanted bragging rights to the biggest kingdom. Nothing at all to do with sea lane horse shit.
You DO realize that the US was brought into the war because they stopped shipping oil and metal to Japan. And THEY attacked us to prevent us from stopping them from shipping that stuff themselves.
Any ensign in November 1940 could have told you that Pearl Harbor was a target. It was the ONLY target. We were just idiots to believe they couldn't do it.
My point is that control of the sea lanes was a big deal. It IS a big deal. And until they come up with a better way to ship Oil and sneakers...it will remain a big deal.
Imagine if the shipping lanes from the west are just frozen because China tosses a hissy fit.
Our economy would freeze up in about three days.
The tankers delivering China’s oil, like those delivering Japan’s oil, pass through the narrow Straits of Malacca, and the wide South China Sea. Do you worry that the USN would allow China to block, or even tax, the tankers going to Japan, without seeing to it that tankers going to China got the same treatment in the Straits of Malacca?
Leave Franklin D. Rooseveld out of this will you?
Negative, douchey, WWII was started because the jackhole families named Rockefeller, Morgan, du Pont, Mellon, Harriman and Ford financed Hitler and Mussolini, and then Hitler decided to go with his own agenda!
But they still made oodles of money from it and came out top dog (richer than the Rothschilds) afterwards.
Hitler only got ride of the bankers for two years. By 1935 he invited them back, and by 1938 had quadrupled Germany's debt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WDguGgAJCc
Oh some of us get it pretty well. 'Murica is a crumbling empire both inside and out. You, on the other hand, are living in some delusional past.
I agree that we are an empire in decline.
That is not going to stop the people who run things from screwing it up.
Mr. Baltar...you realize we get most of the shit we import from travel through the China Sea, right?
Do you want it to be freely navigated? Or do you want to pay the PBOC a toll every time you eat a fucking pineapple?
And what the fuck is the USD if not a toll on trade especially oil/gas?
Yes, wouldn't want to be on the vessel sailing through. Cant imagine seriously that China would do anything,a bit like North Korea with their periodic sabre rattling.
Starting building islands off China and make the same idiotic claims.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Careful when viewing her photo it may cause temporary blindness.
Obama’s legacy on guns should be to ban themhttp://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/opinion/guest-column/2015/10/0...
College Professor, huh? I'll bet the original article was written in Crayon.
Yeah.
How's the ban on murder going?
LOL. Director of Women and Gender studies. What a moonbat.
Wow, a cow pooped on her shirt.
"I voted for Barack Obama. Twice."
An admission of guilt for upcoming Nuremberg trials
RIPS
Good Lord what a pathetic mewling fart stain... Guns should be banned. Obama can do it. He is the President! I love Obama so much. Please Obama. Take the guns and let me gargle you. Now I'll say the magic words "women's reproductive rights". I don't know what I just said but I study Women & Gender issues. So I'm obivously right... Obama you're the greatest! I worship you, take me as your slave! Take my daughters, take my guns and take me! I've been such a good girl please. Use the photo I included thx xoxo
First China wants its newly created Islands, next it will want Taiwan then it will want Japan (ETFs and all). Russia will take the Ukraine and then Syria and then Iran. While we focus on race, gender, guns and equality for all. Red Dawn is coming.
and then the US will want military bases in over 100 countries - oh, wait...
Under which jackboot would you like to be? China's, Russia's (before that the USSR) or the US'?
Do we have to live under a jackboot? What about throwing out nationalism and living in our own local communities?
I don't know. Seems like no one wants to do that. Or maybe they do. But the question is why are we finding our way back to our own vomit of the 20th century in the 21st century?
It wants Japan. For revenge.
China has a long memory.
Take Japan, so be it. The Japs have decimated their own people with Abe and Kuroda econ policies. It would be doing the Japanese people a favor. Why should anyone care if a currency cheater gets taken out. Japan has taken every opportunity to stab the U.S. in the back. Hasta la vista Japan.
Yep, people who won't reproduce are dead already. Let china wipe the little bastards out. You'd be doing them a favor.
China has the islands. Taiwan they won't mess with as a priority, because it works. They don't want Japan, because it's like getting somebody else's problems to pay for. Russia won't have to take the Ukraine, because the Russians have always been there anyway. Syria is fine where it is, as long as it keeps its relationship it always had. Iran is an ally without pensions to pay. Remember: Russia LEFT all the countries it was in. The US is John Belushi personified: It's "The Thing That Never Leaves".
even a full on military war between the usa and china wouldn't stop the manufactured goods from flowing. that's the sad part. if you want to hurt china stop buying their shit. however, that will never happen because well, you know.
It would likely INCREASE the flow of manufactured goods. All wars are bankers wars.
mutual assured destruction doesn't mean nuclear war any longer. the maggots are more afraid their precious global eCONoME will fall apart than they are of actually nuking the entire planet.
It's not the military construction that people should worry about (on a long enought timeline), it's when they start building post offices, customs houses and ghost cities on those former "reefs"... because if civilians move in then Xi can call game set and match while Obozo Bunker cries there goes the neighborhood!
perhaps the "force" will be the dropping of a $1 Trillion US Treasuries bomb
janet could beat that ploy with her pinky finger