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Russia Now Has A Mid-East Airbase: Here Is How Far Its Aircraft Can Reach
On Wednesday, we highlighted reports from Flashnord which indicated that Russia was set to send its only aircraft carrier - the Admiral Kuznetsov - to Syria.

If true, it would mark only the sixth deployment in the ship’s history and would serve as a test for a vessel that has historically been less than reliable.
Now, Russia is out denying the “rumors”. Here’s Xinhua:
The press service for the Russian Navy's Northern Fleet on Wednesday denied reports that the fleet's aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is bound for Syria.
The aircraft carrier is currently undergoing maintenance work in the northern port of Murmansk, Russia. On completion of the maintenance work, it will be put to a series of routine tasks in the Barents Sea over the coming weeks, said the Northern Fleet's press service in a statement.
Fair enough. And because you can’t exactly hide an aircraft carrier, we’re sure someone, somewhere, will speak up if the Admiral Kuznetsov shows up in the Mediterranean in the coming weeks and months.
In any event, it’s not entirely clear that Russia even needs a flattop vessel to achieve its operational goals in the Mid-East.
As we’ve documented extensively, it seems fairly clear at this point that part of the plan here is for Iran to use its influence with Shiite lawmakers and militias in Iraq to get permission for Russian strikes against ISIS and other targets in the country. Indeed this was all but confirmed earlier this week. Here’s al-Jazeera:
Iraqi MP Hakim al-Zamili, the head of the parliamentary and defence committee, told the Reuters news agency on Tuesday that Iraqi air force jets used the intelligence to target a meeting of mid-level ISIL commanders .
Officials had initially claimed the attack targeted the leader of the group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, but security officials later said he had not been present.
The intelligence sharing alliance, which comprises Syria, Iran, and Russia, was announced last month. Iraqi sources said two Russian one-star generals were stationed at the centre.
Zamili, a leading Shia Muslim politician, said each of the four member countries has six members in the intelligence sharing and security cooperation cell, which holds meetings in Baghdad's fortified "Green Zone" that once housed the headquarters of the US occupation.
"We find it extremely useful," the Iraqi official said. "The idea is to formalise the relationship with Iran, Russia and Syria. We wanted a full-blown military alliance."
And then from Sergei Lavrov (via Sputnik):
Russia provides military and technical assistance to Iraqi Kurds with the consent of Baghdad and exclusively through the Iraqi government, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Wednesday.
Of course the Iraqi Kurds and to a much greater extent, the country's Shiite militas, receive a great deal of support from Iran as well. The obvious next step here is for Russian airstrikes to move from Syria to Iraq. If that is indeed the plan - and we think it certainly is, as it would not only allow Russia to expand its influence in the Mid-East on the way to completing Moscow's utter embarrassment of Washington, but would also effectively give Tehran complete control of the country - then the question becomes one of logistics, and thanks to Russia's air base at Latakia, The Kremlin really has no need to send the Admiral Kuznetsov.
Here's Stratfor with some color on how Russia can conduct airstrikes in Iraq:
The start of Russian airstrikes in Syria has given new hope to loyalist forces in their battle against a host of rebel factions, including the Islamic State. Now Russia may expand these operations into Iraq if requested to do so by Baghdad. Indeed, from its position in Latakia, Russia has the range to strike Islamic State targets in Iraq, although further deployment of resources may be required to do so effectively.
Strictly speaking, targets in Iraq already fall within range of Russian naval assets in the Caspian Sea and of the Su-24 Fencer and Su-34 Fullback long-range ground attack aircraft Russia has positioned at Bassel al Assad airbase in Syria. Though these aircraft would have to spend less time over targets in Iraq than they do in Syria, Russia could conduct aerial refueling operations to remedy that.
Russian ships launched 26 cruise missiles in the Caspian Sea, striking targets across Syria after traveling through Iranian and Iraqi air space. Four of these cruise missiles crashed in Iran, near the town of Takab, as a likely testament to Russia's limited experience in actually using this type of weapon system in an operational environment. But the strikes still demonstrate that Russia's naval assets give it the power to hit targets in Iraq.
In other words: whereas previously, Russia only had a naval base at Tartus, it now has an air base at Latakia as well, which gives Moscow the range to conduct effective strikes on targets in Iraq and means its aircraft can also reach the Suez Canal, a key chokepoint for oil and global trade:
And while the long-term strategic significance of this should not be forgotten, the obvious near-term questions are: what happens to the US in this equation? Will Washington simply cede the airspace over Iraq to the Russians just as it has in Syria? Or is there a breaking point here at which the US decides that enough is enough with the Russian-Iran Mid-East power play?
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I wish all the foreigners would get the fuck out of there and let the people settle it themselves.
I ain’t no urologist, but I think every time 0bama hears Putin’s name he wets his pants. A little. ;-)
Looney
I'll bet Obama secretly wishes it was his balls that Putin was fondling, instead of Reggie and/or Michael/Michelle.
...Israel ain't gonna take this sitting down......
Israeli false flag in 3...2...1...
Maybe no false flag from Israel... Russia may have cut a deal to give Israel the Golan Heights and protection from Iran in return for non interference. Netanyahoo despises Obama so this is the perfect opportunity to poke him in the eye. The Saudi's and Quatari's are the big losers, followed by Turkey.
My thoughts exactly LL, Putin is working to isolate the US on the global stage. A 'deal' with Israel would help.......although, at this point is Israel really a major player without backing from the US? Something to keep an eye on.....Russia/Israel that is.
WWIII
Population reset before monetary reset. Same as it ever was.
"its awfully hard to hide an aircraft carrier"
I dunno, apparently those dastardly russians have been hiding thousands of tanks and troops in the Ukraine for a year or so now. I keep hearing about them, but no one has managed to get a picture of them. Sneaky sneaky.
Gilnut, buying off the Israeli's will make harder for the neocons to push retaliatory actions against Russia. If AIPAC is not pushing the war agenda, this will help Putin on the diplomatic front. It is also likely that Putin will help Israel develop and exploit their off shore gas reserves.
Greenskeeper, after seeing how Russia is taking out ISIS, most Europeans have already realized that the Ukie Kiev puppets are pathological liars, that there never was a Russian invasion into the Ukraine. Putin likely provided some old cast off soviet tanks and artillery to the Donbass, and encouraged volunteers to serve informally, but never gave the Novo Rossiyans air support and/or the latest weaponry. This is obvious even to the stupidest european.
Had Russia really invaded the Ukraine, by the end of the first day, Putin would be dining in Kiev. Instead, contrary to USSA/NATO lies, Russia does not want or need to support the bankrupt kleptocracy called the Maidan. The Ukie coup government is looking for $40 billion++ in financing. Since the USSA and EU created the problem, let them foot the bill. Russia has better things to do with its money.
LoL,,,some one needs to draw larger circles on that idiot map, the range of the TU-160 is 12,300 km.
While the DromeMaster has been busy forcing Obamacare Taxes, FATCA, and many regulations down Americans' throats, and droning wedding parties and hospitals, the Russkies and Iran have taken over half the middle east.
How embarrassing.
How long before they're operating out of those billion dollar bases the taxpayers built in Iraq?
"Now I have a machine gun. HO - HO - HO"
- John McClane
Flashback: "tell vlad that in my second term i'll have more flexibility"
Thats a bold move, putting their only carrier in the same basin as probably 3 LA class subs. Its like daring Obama to get back at him.
That carrier has no strategic value for Russia. It is only about that they have one too.
Just carrying a message.
false report...
I'd guess 2 weeks tops.
How embarrassing.
indeed.... so again...
what will it take to indict and impeach the M@the WH, who is a fucking traitor
set in destroying this country..... ?
how do you justify the idiocy of the media and the establishment so as to.... "not make waves"
fucking sons of whores ... all of them...
we need to destroy this so called.... "system"
the only way to clean up the cockroaches
I wantched a TU-160 video on youtube. very cool plane. Taking off in the snow. I wonder if it is a hnagar queen like the B-1.
I like the Russians. They are smart, have largely been Christian for 1,000 before those NYC Bolsheviks came in and murdered 25 million.
The Russians are serior people. The men do not sit around cheering on white genocide Trayvons playing college and pro ball like retarded white American males.
Russia got back what was strategically important---Crimea. Donbas is linguistically, economically and emotionally tied to Russia. All the rest is a liability for EU and US with no future except as a Homeland replacing Isreal if Middle East blows up. Doubt if Russia would object since they need reliable customers for their gas.
I hadn't really though of them as anything but simpering PNAC/MIC ex-CIA neocons, but Stratfor is really showing its stripes as die-hard Israeli-firsters (= Israel's psychopathic interests before those of the U.S. Constitution). I just lost a lot of respect for Stratfor. They were careful to avoid such blatant support before.
The Russian Reach graphic is almost laughable in its attempt to suggest the 'threat' to Israel. Bibi is all butt-hurt because he can't pull off his next land-theft beyond the Golan like he planned. He can't attack SAA and Hezbollah in Syrian territory with impunity anymore or Russia will shoot his ass down. He'll soon have a bunch of al Nusra flooding into the Golan trying to escape Syrian advances.
Leave it to Stratfor to 'suggest' some kind of nonsensical Russian threat to Israel simply because their fighters have that range. Their reach is immaterial if another country doesn't allow them into its airspace. Christ almighty, the Russians probe Turkish borders for a few minutes and ZATO cries like little schoolgirls. What's the point of showing that Russian jets could fly as far as the middle of Saudi Arabia or parts of Egypt? They are not allowed there and Putin won't fly there merely to bomb people he doens't like (unlike Israel, Turkey and the U.S.). The graphic is pointless other than another subtle suggestion that Israel is somehow threatened by Russia. Fuck Israel and their Nazi-like apartheid and ethnic cleansing policies - I kind of wish they were being threatened by Russia.
Stratfor is no better than the Debka file.
The big question is what happens to the Golan. There is water and oil there.
The UN has never recognized Israel's annexation of it, so by 'international law' they're occupying it illegally. I see that since Cheney's oil company found deposits there, Israel is scurrying to build more settlements. Land-stealing fucks.
Israel is nothing without parasiting on a major power.
Israel is a turncoat, not to be trusted, it sells US technology to China. Israel spies on US companies and tech, and use them in start ups claiming them as their own.
All US politicians, except maybe 1 or 2 are bought by some of the money that US tax payers take from their own children, and give to Israel.
Israel would not hesitate to undermine US if it knew that a new power is around the block that it can parasite on.
Surely Israel can read the signs of the times, that USA may not be the better sugardaddy of today. Better try to transition and leech on someone else, maybe Russia, maybe a combination of Russia, China, India.
As long as the USD is the WRC, the US reigns supreme.
Blood clothhhhhhh, end of FR note soon come man.
Yo, Big Jim...What an asinine statement. Apparently you have not been paying attn. to what's happening all over the world. Hello!
What an asinine statement. Apparently you have not been paying attn. to what's happening all over the world. Hello!
wobbly downhill self destruction is more descriptive
As for Israel and Russia's relations, here is an interesting excerpt from Israeli newspapers. It does seem that Putin is arming up and propping up Iran, making it a powerful country, in order to have a leverage against Israel.
Despite S-300s to Iran, Israel to stay close to Russia
Jerusalem didn’t condemn Ukraine invasion, but Moscow continues to support Syria, Iran and pro-Palestine votes at the UN. Does Israel suffer from beaten-wife syndrome?
Jerusalem may be fuming at Russia’s announcement that it will deliver sophisticated S-300 missile defense systems to Iran, but despite threats to shift away from Moscow, analysts warn that strong ties with Russia remain vital to Israeli interests, and may yet yield advantages. For years, Israel has been cultivating its ties with Moscow, hoping to establish a friendship with another superpower that could lessen Jerusalem’s dependency on the weakening power of the United States. But while Israel has taken some flak over its support for Russia, it has received nothing in return.
For example, Israel angered Washington when it remained neutral in the Ukraine conflict, didn’t criticize Russia’s invasion of Crimea and didn’t join US and European Union sanctions against Putin. Israel views with the utmost gravity the supply of S-300 missiles from Russia to Iran, especially at a time when Iran is stepping up its aggression in the region.
Despite initial Netanyahu’s harsh comments about sending lethal weapons to Ukraine, the Prime Minister’s Office and the Foreign Ministry decided not to respond to the reports of arms deals with Ukraine and to Putin’s subsequent comments. There are indications that the Russian president’s warning fell on attentive ears: an unnamed Israeli defense official told Channel 2 that Israel is afraid of Putin and is therefore backing off the reported arms deals.
There are processes afoot that may change the strategic balance in the Middle East, and Israel has limited power to influence them. After all, Israel’s room to maneuver is just that — room to maneuver. We cannot change the behavior of some world powers. Russia will sell weapons to Iran and Syria, and Israeli leaders should accept that they cannot do anything to change Putin’s mind. It would be a mistake to jeopardize relations with Moscow over this or that arms deal, since they are of great strategic and economic importance to Israel. Trade and tourism between Russia and Israel have been dramatically increasing for years. While the Russians have clearly chosen to support Iran and Syria, they consider Israel one of the major powers in the region and do want to stay on good terms, explained Magen — the former Israeli ambassador to Moscow — lest Israel decide to move to thwart Russian efforts in the region. “Putin does give a damn when it comes to Israel. He does not want relations to be ruined. And that means that the Russians could be moved to offer some sort of compensation for the sale of the S-300s to Iran, which could have a silver lining.“
Iran wouldn't need S300s if NuttyYahoo would keep his big mouth shut!
Caution: Israel has an agenda which is truly its own.
What where and how Israel will do, is not known.
Considering deals with Israel without hedging appropriately.
Not wise, deals with a pawn harboring giant misconceptions.
Putin may just ignore, wait for the pawn to operate with above mentioned perspective.
Still trying to get this lymric...
*tears*...
I thought it was haiku, but couldn't account for the extra lines...
Yes, you certainly cannot trust Israel. But whom can you really trust in this world? Trying to act like Hitler and wish for destruction would only bring destruction for yourself. Putin is too intelligent for that. I already wrote it here: Putin is hedging appropriately with Iran. Russia will give Iran S-300 and more, even some space technologies.
For all those, who are looking carefully, this has been Putin's straegy all along. He is hedging with Iran against Israel. He is hedging with India against China. Etc. etc. He truly is a genious statesman and he will do everything to secure Russia's long-term interests as a superpower.
US leads the West (Chaos).
Russia leads the East (Order).
The goal is world government, order through chaos.
"Keep yer friends close and yer enemies even closer."
"Putin is working to isolate the US on the global stage"
But, but, but...Putin is isolated...
The only ones working harder than Putin to isolate the US...is the US
Is the USA, MIC, Obola, CON-Grezz and elites only purpose is to screw, loot, rob, kill and maim people?
They are screwing over Americans and destroying the country. While also killing innocent people around the world.
The only "real power" isreal has is that it can sick the USmil on anyone...other than that, couldn't even win a ground war with hezbollah, and all the wars it "won" we now know were against countries and powers controlled by Mi6, or CIA....
It's also really good at killing kids throwing stones....and bombing civllian houses with f-16s, courtesy of the US tax donkey....
So you are saying Russia screws over Syria big time (water, ferile land, gas/oil) for Israel's word that it won't run a false flag?
Saw a blurb (unconfirmed) that the black gold was found there.
Hmm.
All those Jews on Banana Beach sunning themselves ARE Russian.
I don't think it's pee.
They have pads for that.
I had to use them after surgery once. Very nice. You could watch a whole football game, piss your pants the whole time, and only change them between games.
I should send Obama some.
Agreed. But the mess we made has to be cleaned up first...
by creating 5 more radical terrorist organizations?
I think that is the kind of arrogant thinking that got us involved in the first place, starting with Ike.
I'm starting the "You're as smart as me , fix your your own shit " party.
Are the foreigners also going to stop their arms trade ? If not you just wasted your time typing shit.
Were it not for foreigners ( arguably chief among them the americans, and a set of european settlers ) there probably would be something alot closer to peace.
Regarding this article, big fucking deal. This is intelligence fear porn. The only planes you need to worry about from Russia are bears, backfires and blackjacks, and they can already span the globe.
Much like another apparent world threat Iran, Russia isn't big on starting wars.
"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Israel right smack dab in the middle of the carriers range, now how will this be spun?
Trillions of dollars, countless lives lost and soldiers maimed -and the result? Russian bases and an alliance of Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah. I'll bet that makes Israel feel really secure. Boy those Neocons are really smart.
After the Iraqi, Libya, Afghanistan and Ukrainian debacles, necon/neoliberal stupidity and incompetence knows no limits. The worst part is that these are the idiots trying to get Obama to 'confront' Russia, LOL> Too bad their children won't serve on the front lines.
They're almost as smart as the necons running Israel
When you watch you're only supporter, the one who gives you billions in desperately needed financial and military aid each year, quickly falling down the economic and political ladder, it's brilliant to make sure everyone around you hates you
Fuck the aircraft. The missiles have Obomba tightening his anal sphincter as we speak....
Better believe it; those new Russian C-missiles are something to behold. Why the Pentagon got all worked up this summer and then quietly backed away from the story
http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/06/pentagon-building-cruise-missi...
ah! You shared the right JLENS link but sadly it's not the updated one. US has nothing to protect itself from cruise missiles especially Russian ones. They had those large aerostat balloon like blimps to monitor cruise missiles entering US but the program failed to defend american states from cruise missile attack meanwhile such balloons are there in Afghanistan also protecting Nato bases from Taliban ambush as it monitors large plain desert quiet easily.
How a $2.7 billion air-defense system JLENS became a 'zombie' program : http://graphics.latimes.com/missile-defense-jlens/
Bye Bye BiBi !!!
"...the obvious near-term questions are: what happens to the US in this equation?"
How about this:
1. AmeriKa gets its big fat nose the H out of the MidEast and minds its own business. 2. AmeriKa shutters its manifold military bases overseas and unwinds the Empire. 3. AmeriKa spends the newfound savings savings from 1 and 2 on crumbling infratstructure at home. 4. AmeriKa figures out what to do with the Ostrogoths and Vandals invading its frontiers.
Last but certainly not least:
5. AmeriKa arrests, tries, and imprisons the bankster scum that started all of this bloodshed to start with, and tries the whores in its government for treason for their sundry and various crimes against the world in general and We The People in particular.
More like: idiot in chief with nuke codes pushes the button.
And most of the nukes will be intercepted by Russian ABM's, while anyone left in Washington better buy some SPF 5000 sun screen
No LL Russia can only defend itself in a limited nuclear exchange with A-235 and A-135 striking down SLBM or ICBM unlike US against Russian limited Nukes.
The whole concept of mutually assured destruction is a good thing and has kept the peace for decades.
effective ABM systems will ruin this and are a very bad thing... americans however can't see this and want to feel safe... even though nothing can make them safe really.
And those lying presstitutes? Oh well, propaganda is perfectly legal. But I don't think our laws supercede the conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity and greasing the skids for conducting aggressive war.
and Unicorns inhabit the plains and shit golden skittles.
Fresh joke.
Isn't that in the Bible?
When you put it like that it seem so unlikely. I agree with everything you say but I don't think the US will do one single thing you mentioned. It's sad.
"0. AmeriKa dumps dollar before everyone else."
Corrected.
Makes sense. But you know what happens to anything that makes sense for USA...
...W W #3 is just around the corner
Someone that didn't know about politics in California might look at that map and say. That USA country should build some refineries on its west coast to handle that oil without depending on the Panama Canal
Wouldn't NIMBY California want to first invade Canada then build the refineries in Alberta? What's a water pipeline when you're already building an oil pipeline? Tada :0
If Russia wants to blow the last of its budget trying to play king-maker in the middle east so be it, its worked out so well for the USA.
They're still far away from the 130 plus bases we have. And they don't waste hundreds of billions on contractors through fraud and graft for planes and tanks that don't really work very well.
^^This^^^
I hate to admit it, but Russia is already showing up the US by the ass kicking they are giving the rebels and ISIS.
Perhaps their military motivation is apparent.
http://time.com/money/3635687/why-russia-is-destroying-its-own-economy/
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=RUB&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=RUB&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=SYP&to=RUB&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XAU&to=RUB&view=10Y
Bonus chart.
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=ZWD&to=RUB&view=10Y
And again you scum spamming there.
The inadequacy of this propaganda just rolls.
He has his own song.
(h/t Pink Floyd)
Arnold Pain had a strange hobby
Collecting clothes
Moonshine washing line
They suit him fine
On the wall hung a tall mirror
Distorted view, see through baby blue
Oh, Arnold Pain
It's not the same, takes two to know
Two to know, two to know
Why can't you see?
Arnold Pain, Arnold Pain, Arnold Pain, Arnold Pain
Syd Barrett knew this guy just farting in a puddle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQTFRq1hjtM
Pink Floyd's first hit. Written by Syd who did all the songwriting at the time. Almost 50 years or so later it still is fantastic. Argubly one of their best tunes in my book.
Russia is pushing downhill. Their coalition is natural and willing. It is Shiites that are banding together against Sunnis for the most part.
Russia is not even the instigator, it was Iran that approached Russia with master plan.
The American Coalition in Iraq included Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis - groups that are naturally at odds with each other. America's coalition was the unwilling and forced together by American unipower.
Modern Russia isn't the Soviet Union, which tried to force its Bolsheveik ideology on the world. Putin claims over and over that this unipower idea of one country saying "your either with us or against us" is no longer operative. Russia learned its lessons from the Soviet Union debacle. He also says that if America persists, it will end the same as Soviet - destruction of the country.
Russia's budget can easily absorb war costs. Russia spends Rubles into military, labor then transforms Russian minerals and things of their earth into goods. In this case the goods are weapons.
Is Russia lacking in manpower and minerals/fuel, and things they need to fashion weapons? There are plenty of people to be put to work in Russian factories cranking out war material. It is possible to have butter and guns with modern Robotic factories and inputs of energy (oil), so labor's fraction becomes smaller and smaller.
This idea of running out of money is a "credit money" hypnosis thinking typical of people immersed in private banking matrix.
Most real wartime economies temporarily do away with private capital, and issue some sort of treasury sovereign money. If you have labor, material, and need - then spending enough money to bring them all together is not inflationary.
The last time the U.S. spent debt free money on war, was during WW2 with reconstruction fianance corporation.
All U.S. wars and funding of military industrial complex since WW2 have been bond funded via private banks, which in turn adds public debt. Debt spreading is the desire of banking corporations.
There is a reason the U.S. emerged from WW2 without a huge debt problem. Russia can easily do the same. They have everything they need: money, land, labor, energy desire, and intelligence. (Intelligence matters, because dumb people have a hard time making weapons and/or useful things.)
It's nowhere near as simple as shia vs sunni. More like mongoloid sunni vs regular people. The terrorist plague unleashed by the West and the Gulf Coast has killed as many Sunnis as they have anyone else. Lest we forget that despite the Narrative of Syria being a "brutal dictatorship ran by a minority alawite sect to which Dr. Assad belongs," it is a double barreled lie.
At this point Syria is ground Zero, and Syria is overwhelmingly Sunni, with 20 other minorities who up until the shit hit the fan lived in relative peace. The Assad "regmine" is not a "regime." It is made up mostly of Sunnis, as is the Syrian Arab Army.
It's nowhere near as simple as shia vs sunni. More like mongoloid sunni vs regular people.
Fair enough, but it is more complex even than that. Blogs do not lend themselves to complexity. Sunni via Shia is roughly accurate, with Sunni aggression being Salafist.
For example, Bathist and secular Arab alignment was opposed by Israel, especially in six day war. Nasser's Pan Arabism of the 50’s/60’s was not desired by Israel/CIA, Arab fragmentation was.
This fragmentation is still desired today – especially by Eretz Israel, because as long as Arab body is at war with itself, it is weak.
Syria consists of many factions that live side by side, including Alawites – Assad’s religion. Alawites are syncretists, and some consider it non muslim.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Syncretists
The branch of Sunni Islam that orignates from Bedouin Arabs, is Salafi- Wahabbi Islam, and this branch uses supercession as an operating principle.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/supercession
Supercession says that what comes later supercedes that which came first. In Christianity, the new testament then supercedes and even supplants the old testament. What follows is less violent than what came first.
In Salafi Islam, supercession gives sanction and cover for “what came later” or the more violent acts of Mohammed during post Medina period.
Shites, Alawites, Suffis, and many moderate practitioners of Islam do not adhere to supercession, and try to be civilized. Bathists and Pan Arabist movements were also non adherents to supercession.
So, the alignment can be said to be those who chose the more peaceful aspects of Islam vs those who are more literal in interpretation i.e. Salafi’s.
True Christians and secular non-religious should be naturally allied with Russia (Orthodox or Secular) and Shiites. Persians especially are more likely to look West than East. That America is allied with Salafi while using petrodollar is a historical mistake.
So, again, Russia’s alliance is a natural one, which is why it will win. It is a foregone conclusion.
Many on the terrorists side who are killing innocent people in Syria and Libya are paid mercenaries. They have no job opportunities so they get food, guns, money and drugs. They get to murder whomever they like. There is tons of drug use just like how the US military jacks up Marines/Army with drugs to stay awake. I heard this from a Sgt in the Army.
The other side - Syria, Russia, Iran, Hezbollah are largely trying to help save the Syrian people plus protect themselves from the psychopaths.
Sunnis and Shiites are not terrorists. Both factions will support Assad.
The three main factors of production are land, labor and capital. Most of the world's land and most of the planet's labor is in Eurasia. All they need to function without giving two hoots about the rest, the "civilized" world is their own capital - currency.
Until recently the fake fiat capital from US was the 3d production factor. It is not being accepted anymore and the publisher has turned to the option of the last resort = force feeding the world economy with that fiat in exchange for the real land resources of Eurasia.
It is not the question of if, it is the question of when US becomes an Emerging Market economy with a domestic currency = to Zimbabvean Dollar.
The winner is the one to get out of $ first. Have a guess, with what is China paying for entire countries in Africa?
The U.S. is the north American land mass, with natural waterways and plenty of resources.
The U.S. by letting its money be used as reserve/petrodollar is a double edged sword.
First of all, the dollar is private credit Federal Reserve notes. Nowhere on dollar bill does it say, U.S. Treasury Notes.
But, it has been made good for taxes and paying off debts. This then gives banking corporations sanction and law, backed up by the good faith of American People - and their military.
Double edged sword of reserve currency is being drawn into middle eastern conflicts for the sake of petrodollar. Being able to deficit spend dollars anywhere in the world, means demand against other economies, causing them to inflate, which is seen as beneficial by MIC. Effectively, other economies pay into american war machine by a hidden inflation tax.
This system stinks on many levels, and has become predatory... it is not in the best interests of American's at large.
It will ultimately be good for America to lose reserve status, and to be allied with natural allies. Russia by winning in near future, will help root out the parasite that has embedded itself in America's brain.
Putin refers to his Western Partners as having Oatmeal in the brain, but really it is parasites. NeoCon's are the latest flavor of parasitism.
This parasite is mainly private finance and rigged markets - a usurious credit money system, invented by 700 unlicensed Sephardic financial traders in Amsterdams's stock exchange.
Under Saddam Hussein, Iraqi Sunni and Shiite lived together in the same neighbourhoods and even inter-married. The Sunni / Shia ethnic strife was deliberately started by controlled demolition of critical religious monuments (evidence suggests the British SAS at least were involved).
The Allahu Allakbah crowd are indoctrinated (Saudi Arabia / Wester intelligence) religious fanatics. They are against everyone who doesn't comply with their religious demands.
Under Saddam Hussein, Iraqi Sunni and Shiite lived together in the same neighbourhoods and even inter-married
Yes, some people can transcend the schism. But, Shia and Sunni's have serious differences with each other. This gulf is bigger than protestant/catholic.
Also, Persians are Caucasoids and Arabs are Semites. So, there is a racial component as well.
Controlled demoliton is simply Eretz Israel exploiting middle eastern fault lines, to thus keep the 'body" weak. An enemy who is weak, cannot summon the energy to confront you.
The Saudi state is in alignment with petrodollar, especially after 1974 Kissinger agreement. Saudi State is main funder of Salafi movement.
Think of it as trains going down parallel tracks, each with goals and destination in alignment. Israel, Saudi, Turkey, Qatar, Zion, Washington Consensus are all in alignment.
For example, Turkey wants Kurdish lands now in Syria. Isreal wants to dismember Lebanon and grab water and gas/oil fields. Israel is Messianic and wants its Talmudic prophecies of greater Israel fulfilled. Qatar wants transit of its gas to Europe, and to shut out Iran from the shared gas fields.
It is possible the trains could diverge in future.
Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid physical or biological typing
Sem Japeth Ham ancestor genetic heritage
you are wrongly comparing two different
Persians are Semite
If the Russians make any trouboe for the US or Israel out of Latakia, it take us about 15 minutes to scrape their base off the map.
Probably so, About the same amount of time it would take Russia to scrape Israel off the map. but its the next 6 years of scraping sounds you would have to worry about
Yeah, scraping away the ice of nulear winter.
Or scraping the remains of Yomutti off the sidewalk after Putin sends back his regards. Only a total moron would threaten the Russians with direct military confrontation.
Obama, McCain and the Neos: "Did some one call our name"?
Quaker 3 minute brand Oatmeal indeed
In the US schools get locked down when one student asks another for a piece of gum-
http://eagnews.org/panic-strikes-school-after-student-says-gum/
While in Russia this is what the kids practice-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu3Qqvrwn08
Strange times.
the old mysterious fire in the ammo dump, while handling arm ploy, at 2 am
Yo!!! yomutti
"... it take us about 15 minutes to scrape their base off the map"
Who is this "us". I didn't know you Elbonians had nukes.
http://dilbert.wikia.com/wiki/Elbonia
If I may quote
>>Elbonians have a god of overly warm weather and twice baked potatoes. He is offended by various things that people do, and the normal punishment handed out is to be strangled by a mud adder.<<
Guess you just earned yourself a twice baked potato.
See also
http://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=Elbonians
Watch for Putin to announce a 'deal' with the Kurds, Syria, and Iraq that gives the Kurds their own homeland and weapons to fight ISIS, and that gives Russia safe passage of aircraft over Iraq airspace and close air support for its army against ISIS.
There will be costs!
It is about time the poor Kurds have their own country instead of living a third tier existence under Turkey.
Thu, 10/15/2015 - 10:17 | 6670928 NoWayJose
"Watch for Putin to announce a 'deal' with the Kurds, Syria, and Iraq that gives the Kurds their own homeland and weapons to fight ISIS, and that gives Russia safe passage of aircraft over Iraq airspace and close air support for its army against ISIS."
If land is carved out of northern Syria and northern Iraq, to make a Kurd homeland, with the conditions you cite, then it would put a quick end to ISIS, as they would have to capitulate and swear eternal allegiance, or be pushed into Turkey, Jordan and KSA.
The Kurds in Turkey could (and probably would) do what the Albanians did in Kosovo: start a civil war in Turkey, to have their lands also become independent, or join Kurdistan. This scenario would be very bad for Turkey, especially since it could not ask NATO to bomb Kurds.
So far we've seen Turkey/Ankara play all sides for their own short-term benefit (corrupt kickbacks and insider dealing of the Regime in Ankara), but clearly this can't last: Turkey is next to be torn apart, and NATO can do nothing about it. The smartest thing that Turkey could do, would be what Czechoslovakia did: peacefully split into two countries (Czech Republic and Slovakia), but they won't.
I am sure Russia will get renumeration for this...
ReMuNeration.....
Like the read about Allen Dulles and what psychopaths are prone to do when they don't get there way!
All I can say is that if the MIC is willing to pull another Volgograd redux with some trained Chechen expats anticipate some shit going off in your everyday American subway or strip mall!
My guess is their are many more Ed Snowden(s) and "yes" opportunists like Aldrich Ames at this juncture given the deteriorating morale problem within the IC 14 years and counting!!!
If attack(s) take place in the U.S. one thing is guaranteed.
They actual perpetrators will have patsies identified and declared guilty on national TV within hours.
Just like how the OKC bombing and the 9/11 mystery was "solved" on TV a few short hours and days.
Actually that would be true if the U.S. wants to deliver an excuse to go to war with Russia... It's one thing if you are finding volunteers for a war on terror with a bunch of guys living in caves with cell phones that you want to fix the blame on that can't adequitely defend themselves, it's quite another when you have a military superpower that carries an arsenal of these along with an intelligence apparatus that is every bit the U.S. match in asymmetric "fun"!
That's why guys like "Ass-wipe" Carter ain't thinkin too clearly these days!
Here is but one more example of the frustrated PTSD types the U.S. military/intelligence community tends to hire these dayz which ain't helpin the mission too much! Poor guy must of had a "flashback" with that wonderful memory of raping the 15 year old girl in the Baghdad household right before he and his pals snuffed the family and made a video about it!
"Trained Chechen expats" Subway, strip mall, or marathon!
Be sure to "Stage your False Flag" in a highly Liberal neighborhood. This always increases the odd for Banning something (guns, pressure cookers, etc). Rule #1, never let a good tragedy go to waste.
Given what we know, not what we conjecture, if you were Russia, would you trust the obama administration? Neither would I. And I don't believe our 'former' allies do either. The man has truly screwed up the world in a way we've never seen in our lifetimes.
The man has truly screwed up the world in a way we've never seen in our lifetimes.
By "the man" you mean the chimp's handlers?... That "white chimp" woun't take a dump let alone utter a word in public without his media card and written instruction(s) from the likes of Georgy Schwartz and "Zbig"!
Even I want to share meaningful pictures but sadly tyler doesn't allow non-contributors.
Imperialist pigs or righteous liberators?
I guess it depends on your point of view.
Not mentioned in the article, "What are the implications for Turkey?"
If Turkey feels so threatened by these developments that it asks for the US to join in its defense to an extent that matches America's commitments to Japan or South Korea, then Russia's powerplay will be cut short.
It cannot sustain a military presence in Syria if Turkey closes the Bosphorus Straits to Russian ships. That would be an act of war of course. But the threat to do so would be enhanced if the Turks welcome the presence of a couple hundred USAF aircraft.I don't know the approximate number of USAF airraft currently based in Japan and South Korea; it used to be 300.
It is vital, therefore, for the Russians to take great care in their dealings with the Turks.
St Kosmas(considered a saint by the Orthodox Church) born sometime between 1700-1714 and hung and killed in 1779 prophesied that Russia would go to war with Turkey and destroy Turkey He made this prophecy of course before the invention of flight and this is one of his qoutes: " You will see people flying in the sky as blackbirds and throwing fire to the world. Those who will live will run to the graves and shout, get out you dead so we can get in!"
Even Israel is looking into changing sides.
Perhaps it would be wiser for the Turkish elites to accept that loosing a tiny part of a province that never should have been a part of Turkey is a lesser evil than loosing the entire country.
They (Turks) just need to look at the mistake of the Ukraine - the whole country has been wasted and destroyed just because the Soviets annexed in 1946 a tiny and absolutely non-strategic, but super-nationalistic Zakarpattia Region. The region was first used to destroy the Soviet Union andmore recently to destroy the Ukraine.
Very well could be a lot more to Iraq other than oil. What other resources are located there not publicized by the Cabalist whores?
Cabal tried to invade, occupy, and control Iraq not once but twice since Daddy Bush took the reins and although of course I'm not as smart as a CNBC employee you can't tell me it's only oil. Won't be shocked to see enormous amounts of certain metals in Iraq "discovered".
Iraq is important/valued/wanted for the same 3 reasons most real estate is valued: Location, location, location.
Yes, I understand this. I'm thinking critically beyond this level. New technologies will only lessen reliance on oil and who's to say all of this garbage data about oil reserves is even accurate. The establishment has huge incentive to make us believe oil is scarce. The Banksters know this yet the Banksters have been hell bent on taking over Iraq (when looking at the last 25-30 years). Why? I keep asking the most irritating question to possibly face gold bugs: how much gold already exists above ground on planet Earth? Is gold even scarce? Is oil scarce?
I keep my mind open to these possibilities because let's face it everything and I mean everything we have been told is a complete fraud.
Lots of depleted uranium lying around on the surface.
But seriously, I don't think you need look any further than US dollar hegemony for an answer. Oil, whether scarce or not, is at the center of that nexus, and despite claims to the contrary, the US will remain a net importer until something else comes along to replace it, thus the need to control the world's supply.
A further motivation is the arms industry - the guys Eisenhower warned about - and its related banking interests. Like oil, it's a captive market for a few very wealthy individuals and they're not going to let it go without a fight.
The problem in searching for a deeper motive is it ignores what Hannah Arendt called "The Banality of Evil." As rational beings, we seek rational explanations for the seemingly irrational. Psychopathy, OTOH, needs no higher purpose - it is it's own rationale.
The solution, if one even exists, is to root out psychopathy in all its manifestations. How you achieve that is anyone's guess, but until you at least identify the problem, you're just spinning your wheels.
sumerian tablets?
I just hope that the decades of underhand tactics by Western governments, especially the US & UK, against Russia and the middle east in particular won't be remembered.
The problem is when politicians want revenge it's the masses that are used as pawns in the political dick waving.
Revenge on Britain is easy: just bomb the FCO (Foreign & Commonwealth Office) in Whitehall.
It's been a disaster for generations.
This reminds me of what Iranians did to FCO/British Embassy in Tehran, or should I say to the street on which the British Embassy is to be found. They renamed it from Winston Churchill Boulevard to Bobby Sands Street.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Sands
Russia was already in Syria. This does not change anything except Russia's belief that the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know especially to eliminate your enemies. As Rumsfeld would call the unknown unknown! Unfortunately Rumsfeld and America did not practice what he preached and spent a lot of time supporting unknown unknowns...
US destabilization in Iraq is over. Iran was invited by Iraq to help against US backed ISIS. Syria invites Russia to help defeat US backed terrorists. Iraq invites Russia to help defeat US backed terrorists. Iraq is part of the gulfs transit plan of energy to Europe. ISIS will be forced into Saudi Arabia andTurkey. Russia will soon be invited by the Saudis and Turks for help in defeating US backed ISIS and that will finally terminate US influence in the ME.
WWIII is all but over.
Wishful thinking but Turkey is Pro-ISIS. With their mouth they declare that they are not and with a wink and a nod they let the flow of weapons and reinforcement for Isis flow through.
Turkey is no friend of Russia, Syria or Iran.
This Syria/ISIS thang is the coming out party for The Putinator....
Russia is back.....with a vengeance.....and its got the U.S. in its geopolitical crosshairs. The Putinator has caught The Golfinator (The Poosie-nator, actually!) without any balls!
The Su-34 is not a fighter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_fighter
Who knows how this chess game is going to play out...6 months ago did anyone foresee that Russia would have an airfield in Syria and would be flying bomb run sorties over Syria...
Just a month or so ago ZH, and many others claimed Russia was about to abandon Syria.
' It's a game, I never said it was a game you would enjoy ! ' Putin to oBummer !
It's all very well talking about cuddly deals with Israel, but aren't Hezbollah, Syria, Iraq and Iran their sworn enemies with a mission to erase Israel off the map and send its inhabitants back to Europe and the US? Are they really going to kiss and make up? Sounds a bit unbelievable.
Let's cross that bridge when we get there. I think Syria, Iraq and Iran will settle down when they feel the threat to their sovereignity has been removed and the US winds it's neck in. If Israel could then come into the spotlight, be shamed for it's action in Gaza and have a South African 1994 we have a solution of sorts. If they refuse and Israel gets attacked, well... They have a sophisticated military and nuclear weapons they can take care of themselves. Despite all of Israel's bitching, no one has attacked them in ernest, they're still there, still expanding and as morally repugnant as ever. Time they actually play a part in peace for the Middle East.
Wrong way round buddy. Israel wants to wipe Syria, Lebanon and part of Iraq off the map. The land would become part of Eretz Israel. Hezbollah, up to the Syria problem, has acted to defend Lebanon from Israeli acts of aggression. Hezbollah is purely an Israel problem.
Red meat for Latina Lover and Dutch boy .... hey, do those stupid looking ramps on Russian and Chinese aircraft carriers really work .... I thought flying was all about airspeed over the wings .... not the skateboard ramp assist on take off .... the G-forces and stress on the landing gear and bomb racks must almost be like hitting a wall on take off ?
No, they don't work. They just thought they looked cool like those curved TV screens?
" the G-forces and stress on the landing gear and bomb racks must almost be like hitting a wall on take off ?"
wow.... thats the .... longest sentence...ive ever seen....from you until....now.....
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I just come for say "PRIVET".
Russia is coming in desperation .... I love to see them kill terrorists .... which Muslim Obama wouldn't do .... but, ISIS will accelerate attacks in Damascus (Russian embassy) .... have the Russians bombed the Mosul refinery, yet .... something I told Obama to do a year ago ?
USA can still get in the game if we get over our snit and decide to play along with Russia. Iraq has already invited the Russians to come and bomb ISIS, and now Afghanistan is making noises like they wouldn't mind if Russia came and took care of some Taliban problems. If we play our cards right, we can use our troops still in Afghanistan (whose morale must be suffering at seeing the Taliban come back) to coordinate with the Russians.
Ironic if the Russians actually get formally invited back to Afghanistan. But that seems to be the way the world is going . . .
Everyone's invited .... why do you socialists always need to fuck in groups ?
I don't know which is nuttier: The crazy and tough Russian bastards having "reach" in the Middle East, or us crazy and overentertained Americans having global military bases in every armpit of the world.
That question is rhetorical, right? I hope so...