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The Humiliation Is Complete: ISIS Fighters Cut Off Beards And Run Away As Russia, Iran Close In
The thing about ragtag groups of militants that display a penchant for extreme violence is that in the absence of serious opposition, they can rack up gains at an alarming pace.
Of course there are plenty of (possibly credible) theories out there, which suggest that some of what you see in the videos released by ISIS is for show and we won’t endeavor to assess the degree to which the group’s brutality is real versus staged, but one thing is clear: regardless of who is funding, training, and/or supporting them, there are obviously fighters on the ground in the Mid-East waving the ISIS flag and committing atrocities in its name.
That works well when it comes to destabilizing fragile states that are already beset with sectarian bickering on the way to claiming large swaths of territory from a defenseless citizenry.
But you can’t intimidate a modern fighter jet by waving around a sword and if you’re a newbie on the Mid-East militant scene, you can’t scare a three decade veteran by beheading a couple of people, which is why if you’re ISIS, the combination of the Russian Air Force and Hezbollah ground troops is absolutely terrifying.
As we documented earlier today, Hezbollah and Iranian troops are advancing on Aleppo and Moscow is backing the offensive from the sky which means that the hodgepodge of anti-regime forces that control Syria’s largest city will almost (and we say "almost" because there are no sure things in war) certainly be routed in a matter of weeks if not days, which would effectively serve to restore the Assad regime in Syria.
After that, the Russian bear and Qasem Soleimani will turn their eyes to the East of the country and at that point, it is game over for ISIS.
Apparently all of the above isn’t completely lost on al-Nusra and Islamic State fighters because if you believe the Russian media (and we’re not saying you should), Sunni extremists are now shaving off their beards and running for their lives. Here’s Sputnik:
Hundreds of ISIL fighters are fleeing Syria for Turkey, as Russia's Defense Ministry previously said, and reports are popping up that they are leaving their beards behind.
.2/ More Jihadi beards, shaved off in Reef #Aleppo, as they flee clean shaven 2 #Turkey, these Via @leithfadel pic.twitter.com/xOmMkhH8oY
— Hala Jaber (@HalaJaber) October 12, 2015
Now obviously, these are just pictures of hair on the ground with razors, so that shouldn't be interpreted as anything that even approximates definitive evidence of a full-on ISIS retreat but put yourself in the following situation for a moment. You're a Sunni extremist and your regional and Western backers have just abandoned you. You are now under siege by the Russian Air Force. If you survive the air strikes you will soon have to come face to face with the fiercest, most experienced Shiite militia on the planet and if you somehow manage to survive that, well then you have to fight the Quds Force ("how do you shoot the devil in the back"?).
What would you do?
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We close with the perfect video clip analogy. The US is in the blue shirt, ISIS is in the red, star-spangled jumpsuit, and Russia, well... Russia is the bear.
US to ISIS: "No, no, you can't quit now, we just started. You got to give these people a show man"...
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Are their CIA handlers running away with them?
Hope ISIS run to Turkey and Saudi Arabia and cause some mayhem there - that would be perfect karma
Time for some helicopter resupply beard drops.
Is "cutting off beards and running away" a clever metaphor for Hillary divorcing Bill after she loses the nomination?
They actually all look like Bruce Jenner now.
Hair today, gone tomorrow.
Gee....I thought they were so tough and fearless of dying because "Alah" and "obama" and "72 virgins" and "koran" and "caliphate" and all that other bullshit???? No???
So here's the lesson you fucking primitive, stone-age, retarded scumbags:
Never bring little throat cutting knives and basketball shoes and Toyota pickup trucks and Youtube videos, and American supplied humvees, ammo, and whatever other bullshit to a full-on Russian military battle. Especially when you're not even a real army of any kind what-so-ever.
Isn't that the old saying? ;-)
Cut and run Bitchez!
But they're still covered by Obamacare, even if they're beardless, right?
BOMB 'EM TO THE STONE-AGE, SON!!! I love the smell of napalm in the morning...the smell...you know that gasoline smell?...smells like...VICTORY!!!
ISIS DON'T SURF!!!!
As soon as the Russians leave they'll re-emerge from the shadows and it will be business as usual.
As soon as the Russians leave...
That probably ain't gonna happen without somebody give 'em a kick in the pants and that probably ain't gonna happen any time soon.
ISIS boys will be living it up and growing back their beards in Germany in a week or less.
The CIA has NEVER been involved with Syria!!!! >:-@
now they will blend in with the rest of the wealthy arabs in England and Western Europe whom have taken a kindness to Western women. the battle is not on the field but in the bedroom.
long europe or bust signs.
So long as it's a bust like yers, Four chan! :>D
Why coudnt they have just donated their beards to a Wahhabi Jihhadi cancer fund. What a bunch of selfish pricks. They must of tossed their black ribbons too.
Excellent, leave your DNA profile for future reference. Get these beards into a database ASAP for cross-checking at the border.
Now we are talking. Great observation. If you get a DNA match instant beheading at the border, with their severed heads facing Langley.
No, no, DNA database is only for the enemy, AKA freedom loving Americans. ISIS will (continue to) be welcomed with open arms and resettled in the American Midwest.
quote "ISIS will (continue to) be welcomed with open arms and resettled in the American Midwest."
Just like 'Operation Paperclip'
Playoff Beards
Hair today, gone tomorrow.
Luke, I am your father.
or is it Bowe?
Can't even remember my own sons name while I'm claiming the Whitehorse for islam.
"resettled in the American Midwest."
Sounds like a nice hunting preserve.
Put a fence around it, and let hunters pay for their chance to bag a jihadi!
Can I get a FUCK YEAH?
dup
This is an old story, these same claims (and pictures!) were made already during the summer when hundreds of thousands of 'refugees' left Turkey for Greece in small boats.
Here are EXTREMELY similar pictures from the 9th of October: https://twitter.com/kovandire/status/652588254773014528/photo/1?ref_src=...^tfw
I believe you're wrong Bok, these are NOT similar pictures.....these are the same pictures!
I was being sarcastic. ;-)
Oh-Eh my bad
These guys are just following the langley manual, page 238: "when defeat/capture looks imminent, 1) dispurse goats; 2) burn your cia id bracelet; 3) shave off beard; and 4) run away as fast as can."
They can have them. Western women are too frum.
"...ISIS boys will be living it up and growing back their beards in Germany in a week or less..."
I think you're confused, 0b1knob - those were a pile of the ISIS WOMEN'S beards. They're the ones that left.
"If you like your Beard, you can keep your Beard."
Russia is there to stay. Serves everyone, ´cept Israel. But who cares?
i think this sums it up well:
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/10/moscow-nights...
"...i think this sums it up well:..."
I agree, Jeff. The article hits on all the important aspects of the state of our involvement.
The problem for the U.S. is this: take a step back and consider ALL the information and diplomatic/military drama Dr. Brennan covers. It's got to be overwhelming for 98% of Americans when laid out like that - I doubt they could get through the first three paragraphs.
That's not a critique of the author's writing - the situation itself is just extremely complex. There's a lot of moving pieces - there's no way to Break it down Barney-style for the American public. Which is why I rail at the 'cartoonish evil villian' political and MSM narrative. THAT attempt to dumb down the situation and market our confusing, scrambled efforts in the Middle East helps nothing. In fact, dumbing-down reality has blowback: loss of trust. Subsequent attempts by politicians and the MSM to demonize Putin (for not obeying ZATO world domination plans) further weaken the trust Americans - and the rest of the world - have in the U.S. govenrment's competence and morality. It may sound crazy, but I see this as a GOOD thing. Americans need to realize how bad their government is.
I want to believe in a moral and just U.S. - Americans are fundamentally good. But it's a mistake to automatically project those qualities on to a clearly dysfunctional government. The ways the U.S. govenment is dysfunctional are complex. Ex-PFC Chuck's comment points to govenment corruption. I'll one-up that and point to a much more fundamental cause: psychopathy a la Lobaczewski. There is corruption, but that's only a symptom (although a huge, obvious one).
Efforts to get rid of corruption will always fail if there is underlying psychopathy. One need look no further than Ukraine and their futile attempts to eliminate corruption. We would have no more success here. If we really have to Break it down Barney-style for the average American to understand, then call it for what it is: the 'problem' with the U.S. government is the pervasiveness and tolerance of EVIL IN the government. The organization and its members are sick, and the disease is infectious.
I am pretty damn sure 'voting' for the least diseased candidate next year isn't going to fix anything.
Paveway IV
"attempt to dumb down the situation"
You're way too far ahead of yourself. Before you start dumbing down the quagmire in Syria for the public, you have to dumb it down for an American Politician. These guys are stuck back in the Cowboys and Indians mentality.
But if you want to dumb it down to where you can at least function, how about starting with everybody hates everybody else and the one thing they all have in common is everybody hates America.
K
"...you have to dumb it down for an American Politician..."
I agree 100%, Kayman. But nobody is ever going to ask you or I to do that. There is an entire industry of Washington D.C. think-tanks, institutes, foundations and assorted fake analyst-whores. Their entire existence owes itself to industry groups or foreign governments paying to Break it down Barney-style for our learning-impaired Congress and Administration.
Between a purple dinosaur, PowerPoint decks and good old-fashioned American psychopathy, there is little need for a functional brain anywhere among our elected officials or their evil minions.
I am increasingly troubled to repeatedly arrive back at only one sure cure: the wood-chipper. I am loath to feed the evil fuckers into one myself. I'm thinking of some kind of trick. Like making the feed chute of one look like the entrance to a fake lobbying firm and setting it up somewhere on K-street. It would have a big rotating neon sign with an arrow pointing to the entrance that says: "Free porn and bribes for important people ONLY - Come on in!" Maybe a little light jazz in the background and valet parking.
You might try some rap music and strippers, probably work better.
I want to see Putin's reaction. TWICE when the EUke's had the WUke's surrounded and were ready to destroy them Putin forced the EUke's to allow the WUke's to safely withdraw under a cease fire/peace plan. Only to have the WUke's to attack again.
Will Putin bomb them on the roads/backroads/trails? Will Putin not only allow the Syrian allies to wipe them out will Putin assist with intel and air support?
After what they have done I think it might be difficult for them to try to blend in with the locals. Once control was established it would seem the locals would turn them in to the Syrian military unless there are areas where the locals actually support them. But even then the Syrian's might be able to sift through the population and find them.
Considering the basis of the insurgents attack and how they have conducted it - there really is only one solution now that the Syrian allies have regained the upper hand in the fight.
I think Marty McFly and the Doc might have fucked up the time continuum - the Syrian army killing (ex-ISIS) "civilians" is the reason why the USA was trying to overthrow Assad... they just got their flux capacitor in a twist and reacted before it actually happened!
Putin never wanted western Ukraine.Who would ?
A bankrupt state full of neo nazis is nobodys idea of a prize.
Feeding prisoners costs money.
He wanted Crimea. He cares not much for the rest of EUke, or their deaths. He uses their deaths to his advantage when he could have stopped it in a week. Instead he forces them to act as he wishes by threats to cut his supplies to the EUke's unless they let their killers go. Only to have to be killed to once agian gain the advantage on their murderers. Only to have Putin, for a second time, force them to let their killers go.
The leader of the EUke's called this a betrayal by Putin. I believe that commander was killed by a roadside bomb, set just for him, by people who knew where and when he would be traveling that piece of roadway. Were the WUke's suddely so precise and skillful.
Highly unlikely since they're not Syrian guerrillas. The "foreign fighters" were imported because the locals weren't willing to trash their own country.
No, I think almost all of them will be dead.
Russia ain't leaving...this is colonization son. Syria is the lynch pin to supplying oil from Saudi Arabia to Europe, the Russians already have that market cornered and don't want to see a new pipeline through Syria to complete with them.
If you like your beard you can keep your beard.
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And run away........
Is this a Middle Eastern version of Monty Python?
Geez, they were just playing the part. What part of the faked decapitation videos do you not understand? $100 a day, you shiny new Toyota pickups, snazzy clothes, you get to play with guns and other weapons, you can shoot up anything you like, the US provides arms drops and air cover, a well-connected media machine shows how badass you are. What's not to like for some unemployed disgruntled muslim?
Except - the Russian involvement is not part of and suddenly they are being taken for what they claim to be. Being on the receiving end of serious military hardware was not part of the contract, so the beardos are away.
These ISIS fighters remind me of the character Ben Kingsley played in Iron Man 3 -- "The Mandarin", the terrorist who was really just an actor. The tribe likes to project, huh?
Save America 1st is talking to ISIS?
They read zero hedge too?
Fascinating
The problem is there is no Save America 1st.
Maybe they're really leftover carpets Hillary has munched.
Maybe they're really leftover carpets Hillary has munched.
Don't say shit like that, Dr. E - I'm a visual person! Eeeeeuuwww!
From what I've read, she likes young girls, especially if they have had vaginal mutilations!
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/File:Thanks_for_the_Memories.pdf
Awww man, I'm never gonna unsee that image.
yeah, rub some tuna fish on those and Hitlery will munch through 'em in world record pace. She'd chow 'em down in no time! ;-)
I didn't know lizards got hairballs...
I saw alot of beards on Ebay today and was wondering where they came from.
Now I know.
And now my grandma have enough of material for winter sweaters. WHAT A FUCKIN HAPPY DAY I HAVE NOW PEOPLE.
These isis guys can now get over to Barry's World and apply for an Ivy League admisison and full scholarship as a 'minority.'
More Hope & Change coming your way!
Hillary won't get rid of her beard. I am sure Bill is still good for something.
Money
Engali you are a genius!
I think Huma keeps her beaver waxed.
Either that or some wierd Trump thing. They shave the beards and all grow a squirrel on their heads....
"forsooth, a woman hath not a beard"
Correction: The hair appears to be from the ass end of a goat. Disregard.
Christians faith: when persecuted, willing to die because of their rock solid faith in their God.
Muslim faith: when persecuted, willing to abandon their faith, shave their beards, and run away because they have no real faith in their "god."
Hassan: Hassan chop!!!
Other Inmate: Man, when they brought you in here you was cryin' like a pussy.
Another Inmate: YEAH!
that is the kind of ridiculous horseshit (don't forget the jewish part, root of both) that got us into this in the first place.
reagan got out of lebanon at the first casualties. i seem to remember some helicpters taking off from the american embassy in saigon (now ho chi minh city) with people hanging off them. want more?
Those probably are not the best examples of Christianity in action since both required unchristian actions to get into. Well, as I understand it, at least the Marines in Beruit were not there to kill anyone but to serve as a peace keeping mission. Why stay if people are going to attack the peacekeepers? Why send them if they will be attacked?
Missionaries, missionaries who take no gain from their work. Yeah, missionaries is a better example.
Oh no, American Rapists/torturers/murderers are EXCEPTIONAL.
Exceptional cowards.
America's great military victories :
Grenada (!)
Haiti (!!)
Somalia (!!!)
Hondurs (!!!!)
Panama (!!!!!)
Yeah! Go go go....
The most cowardly army in the world, backed by the biggest machines....
Dude! WTF? Drinking a little bit too much this evening?
Sunni and Shia both threw their best at Americans in Iraq and got their butts handed to them. The Americans even had one hand tied behind their backs, hobbled with progressive assclown rules of engagement and still kicked all sunni/shia ass.
Mind you, Americans should have never been there in the first place........
Hey wait a minute, don't Pakistanis regularly kick Indian ass?
Grimaldus
I have some grim news for you mate...
Start with the no fly zone put in place in 1991 (yea a full 12 years before the invasion) by pappy bush, so that bush the younger could waltz in.
Took them 12 years of softening before the rapists....I mean troops were allowed in. And look at it now....
Educate yourself a little:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_no-fly_zones
And sanctions, sanctions sanctions...
And kicked ass? Yes, with billions and billions of dollars on pallets to buy off all and sundry.
I could go on, but you are probably a vet or something, no point....
Dear dumb cum-guzzling ass napkin in the above post:
I was in Saudi and Kuwait in 1991. Arabs can't fight worth a fuck you drunk diseased goatfucking Arab asslicker.
If it's a fair fight you fucked up.
You have my sympathies for having been a pawn Silver rhino...
How many blameless people did you kill? I'm sure it weighs heavy in your PTSD driven nightmares....
I'd suggest getting help...
All SOULD-iers, SOLED-iers....poor, pathetic pawns.
Now if you fight to defend your own, more power to you, but you my filth spewing keyboard jock are in some way despicable and pitiable...
Smoke a lot of POT and get legal prescription for Ecstasy, it can heal your inner demons...
Go fight Hezbollah and get fucked.
The USA is a pussy terrorist nation that only dare fight weak small nations. In a 1-on-1 with Russia, USA would get butfucked, raped and hanged out to dry in 2 weeks.
Arabs can't fight? That's funny, especially since a few lightly armed Taliban happen to be humiliating a world super power with a trillion+ dollar military budget.
Exactly, thank you SC...
Taliban are not Arabs,
Talib-ul-ilms have been a cancer in the kingdom for century's
Talib-ul-ilms are lazy and steal to live via intimidation
If your talking about Afghanistan..then they have never been conquered. Not by any nation ever in history - Fucked Genghis Khan , Fucked Hannibal, Fucked the British Empire , run the Russians to disintegration and they are bleeding the American Empire like a goat with a razor cut to the ear.
Read about it from a young journalist..
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/tribal/churchill.html
Didn't I already say Americans should NOT have been there?I'm not talking about intervention being right /wrong or the cost.
So what you got?
Still waiting.
Yeah, thought so.
I'll grill some ribeyes today in your honor.
Grimaldus
You forgot about Sand Creek and Wounded Knee.
Jeff, that wasn't the embassy.
Is that why the christians do nothing about abortion? Cuz of their "rock solid faith"?
Roman Christians went to the lions over much less.
Gaius, Roe V Wade was the great zionazi feminist victory that really began the full blown slide of the Amrican Feminie to it's current mind-fucked state...
The ritual killing of the first born child...
Now those first borns are in your PEpsi (flavouring), make-up (so soft and tender), in all manner of food flavourings...
And people wonder why it looks from one perspective that the world is falling head first into the gaping maws of the inferno, Soda in aborted fetal cell flavoured soda in one hand, and structured protien, aborted cell flavoured "meat" sammich in another...
Abortion rights was the great Ziojew victory in the destruction of the American and global feminine...
But...but...women gotta control their bodies! What's a few million dead babies compared to that? Walk tall, women of the USSA. And their metrosexual enablers.
Seriously SD, everyone should see this and blow their frigging minds....the Abortion clock...holy shite.....and my goodness....no wonder....
50,000 abortions a day globally...
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
There ain't exactly a shortage of humans, that's for sure, unless you're talking about the White People.
In a cage match, that would have been an elbow to the cranium.
You need to be more specific...christian is not a word anymore as far as the U.S. is concerned. In the middle east it is different. They are still christians and it means something. Many in Lebanon for instance, put a a small tattoo of a cross on their arm, this way they wont be tempted to take off their crucifix necklace or other such things when persecuted.. There are still christians in the world, just not in the united states. People only put down christians because here in the united states all the christians have sold themselves out. Cut their beards etc. Well, most of them anyway.
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Christians In Palestine – Yes, They Exist
Continuing plight of Palestinian Christians
Palestine's Christians - Christian Palestinians
Palestinian Christians Respond to Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren
Christians of the Holy LandWhen I was a kid, I used to hitch-hike all around town. As I was heading home, one late Sunday morning after an all Saturday night party, I found myself walking by the church as Mass was getting out. I stuck out my thumb and not a ride did I get, which made an impression on me.
Did anyone yell, "GET A JOB!!" I saw that a lot of that from the local faithful towards hitchhikers.
Today you're lucky not to get run over when church lets out.
I'm sure your fried appearance & unbalanced gait (after partying all night) had nothing to do with it. Of course it could have been the lampshade still stuck on your head too ;-)
Great anecdote .... like a man with his family .... is going to take a druggy alcoholic .... who prolly threw up on himself .... for a ride .... I wouldn't put the bum in the back of my pick up ?
a christian would give him the shirt off his back plus anything else he asked for
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Nmewn, your line was funny and I gave you the green. Not for the first time either. Now monetas that's another story. What a sour, individual that guy is. Fwiw, I was about 16 and life was spectacular.
How was Belize? Diving? Snokelling or Fishing?
Mass is catholic, not christian :)
There is good and evil in this world...People think God is bad because His name was used to fight evil in the old testament.
Leaders used the word "christian" to conquer other nations when they are not christians at all. People have been brainwashed over the decades/centuries to look at the truth in a skewed way so some become atheists etc. They dont do the research and understand the full concept. Once you open your mind it is a beautiful thing. Wisdom and understanding is given and life begins to have meaning. The churches have gone astray, which the bible says they would. In fact, if you look around, the accuracy of the Bible is astounding...Old Testament stories were written as a guide, and things that happened back then are still happening today. Too many are too ignorant and make up their minds before truly finding the truth. The Bible was easy to udnerstand a century ago, but people have been so dumbed down that they read the bible and scratch their heads. Just because people dont understand doesnt mean the Bible is not true. Mike rivero for instance says he is an atheist because his sunday school teachers could not answer important questions..So because his sunday school teachers were stupid, be an atheist..makes sense to me lol...not.
Two more pages of Revelations to go and the game is up.
that was a good one cornflake...I wish I would have came up with that..even tho its sad, it made me smile because of how you put it...Good one my friend. thanks for the chuckle in a dark world. I needed it... :-)
Nah, more scrolls will magically appear to keep the Kibuki rolling.
Abraham was a mutated motherfucker that had fucked up scrotum squiggles that we are still tolerating today through the handed down ghost myths.
The Homo Freud was hung up on his dick whereas he should have attacked man's problems at the source. Little girls fanticize controlling other men via some mythical magic prince. That's for public consumption, what they really fanticize about is being tricked fucked by some deity. So they have been creating these little themes for at least 10,000 years to fulfill their control fetishes.It's just one immaculate conception fantasy after another and we and they all die anyway. All that fantasizing makes them horny so they take what they can get.....us.
Well, I'm sick of playing second fiddle to some contrived concertmaster in the sky. Uh, forget it, I can live with it. Any other route would cut myself off. Oh well, destined to roll as is for another 10,000 years. Bad brain fart.
Choice supportive cognitive bias... look it up.
And then check out selective perception, confirmation bias, and blind spot bias.
Subjective validation.
Naive realism.
Negativity effect.
...
Once you open your mind it is a beautiful thing.
Last I checked, the Iranians, the Shia militias and Hezbollah are all Muslims. I'd like to see some American Christians confront them and see who has the stronger faith. Oh, right American Christians already did that in Lebanon and Iraq and fled.
Hezbollah is in Syria protecting and defending all Syrians including Christians,
Here is a famous Christian singer in Lebanon singing the praises of Hezbollah for defending Lebanon against you know who. Defending ALL Lebanese including Christians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JElx0Eg2iZs
Do a web search of Christmas in Syria. Lebanon and Syria are examples of Christians living with Muslims in peace. The US, UK, Saudis and the rest turned a very nice and peaceful Syria into hell on earth.
That is a wonderful performance. Thanks for sharing it.
thanks freddie...I tell you right now, if you seek truth, all kinds of things come to help you learn...I asked my lebanese friend of twenty years what the lyrics "from the south" mean...I will get back to you when he replies...Thanks again freddie, that was great.
Those who were with God in the old testament suffered losses also in regards to this temporary life. BUt the truth stayed, and Jesus Christ was born. I am almsot 58 years old, and it seems like yesterday I was just a 7 year old cihild...I suppose it really comes down to believing there is an eternity and our souls last forever, or that when we die its all over...If when we die and its all over, then might as well live it up, screw people over, have sex with children, do coke and hookers, drink childrens blood, lie and cheat and steal because it doesnt matter. I guess it is your choice, and I respect your choice, just dont lie to me, or try to convince me of your thoughts when you havnt really searched the truth....
.If when we die and its all over, then might as well live it up, screw people over, have sex with children, do coke and hookers, drink childrens blood, lie and cheat and steal because it doesnt matter.
I'm an atheist an I certainly don't feel that way. But if believing in God is what it takes to stop you from raping children then you've made the right choice.
HI BIlly...I went overboard on speaking of atheists, and I apologize...its not really atheists, it is satanists I was speaking of, again my apologies. but let me ask you, what do you do as an atheist? What do you share to others? Maybe give the homeless some food? shelter? what happens to them if they have a soul? If they dont, then you are fine making their life easier, but if they do have a soul, you have destroyed them...Just a thought...And again my apologies for going overboard and making atheists look bad..That wasnt my intent, just sharing as thoughts come, and I too have been very dumbed down and just trying to learn.
Well, nearly. 75 percent of Americans are God-fearing Christians; 75 percent of prisoners are God-fearing Christians. 10 percent of Americans are atheists; 0.2 percent of prisoners are atheists.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/07/16/what-percentage-...
Who is committing these crimes you speak of?
Christians are more the problem then the solution, what a perfect system you live in.
Commit a crime, sin, what have you and then repent for your actions and all will be forgiven.
That's more justification to commit a crime knowing all will be forgiven.
yet again child, you are following the script and not paying attention to my posts....I already told you that christianity has been sold out, and catholics for the most part are the worst. BUt you cant even read a simple post of mine and understand. tis is what I am talking about. People cant even read a paragraph without coming to their own foregone conclusions...Its called cognitive dissidence (sp)..
Actually I read your posts just fine, your old age must be making you delusional, Or comprehension ain't your strong suit.
You go on to say "then might as well live it up, screw people over, have sex with children, do coke and hookers, drink childrens blood, lie and cheat and steal because it doesnt matter. I guess it is your choice, and I respect your choice, just dont lie to me, or try to convince me of your thoughts when you havnt really searched the truth...."
Then you tell billy you were speaking of satanists.
Most crimes are commited by christians.
So what is it? Satanists are commiting these crimes or christianity?
You already posted your own biased belief on who these crime commiters are (satanists), I just happen to be calling you out on your fabricated beliefs with what is fact.
You already posted your own biased belief on who these crime commiters are (satanists), I just happen to be calling you out on your fabricated beliefs with what is fact.
Take a look at Bohemian Grove and other assorted Illuminati groups. I believe in neither God nor Satan but there are some hard core Satan worshipers lodged deep in the government and media who pursue all sorts of bizarre criminal activity against an unsuspecting populace.
The most blatant example is Lt. Col Michael Aquino. First, just look at the man:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Lt+Col+Michael+Aquino&biw=1280&bih=558&s...
Then review the following:
Satanic Cults in Military Part 1 Michael Aquino on Oprah ShowMichael Aquino joined the Church of Satan while he was an intelligence Officer in the U.S. Army. Michael Aquino was an expert in Psychological Warfare and appeared on Oprah's Show in 1988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpK-NIuisBg
MindWar Paperback – April 30, 2013by Michael A. Aquino Ph.D.
During his 28-year Army career, Michael Aquino was qualified in Psychological Operations, Special Forces, Civil Affairs, Defense Attaché, Foreign Area Officer, and both Strategic and Space Intelligence, resulting in his primary career designation as one of the Army’s extremely rare Politico-Military Affairs Officers. During the Vietnam War he served in Special Operations with both Army and Air Force PSYOP and Civil Operations & Revolutionary Development Support (CORDS). He is a graduate of the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg, the Industrial College of the Armed Forces at Fort McNair, the Intelligence School at Fort Huachuca, the Armor School at Fort Knox, the Airborne School at Fort Benning, the Defense Intelligence College at Anacostia, the Command & General Staff College and the Army Space Institute at Fort Leavenworth, and the Department of State Foreign Service Institute in Washington, D.C. After receiving the B.A., M.A., & Ph.D. in Political Science from the University of California, he taught International Relations, Political Philosophy, and American Foreign Policy as an Adjunct Professor at Golden Gate University in San Francisco. He also holds the M.P.A. in National Resource Management from the George Washington University. In 1975 he was initiated to the Priesthood of the ancient Egyptian god Set, and served as High Priest of his Temple until passing on that office in 1996, remaining thereafter active in the Priesthood. He thus brings to bear upon the mystery of human consciousness many decades of investigation and experience in the most obscure and exclusive esoteric arts and sciences. _MindWar_, his first openly-published book, thus harmoniously integrates the physical and the metaphysical into a coherent and complete whole, as this discipline not only implies but indeed requires.
http://www.amazon.com/MindWar-Michael-A-Aquino-Ph-D/dp/1484926455
Temple of SetThe Temple of Set was consecrated in Santa Barbara, California during the summer solstice of June 1975, by Michael A. Aquino, in a "greater black magic" ritual that resulted in what Aquino regards as an inspired text titled The Book of Coming Forth by Night.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Set
CHILD ABUSE AT THE PRESIDIO
San Jose Mercury News, JULY 24, 1988
THE PARENTS' AGONY, THE ARMY'S COVER-UP, THE PROSECUTION'S FAILURE.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050227202721/http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/Aquinoindex.htm
Thompson had noticed changes in their daughter's behavior after placing her in Gary Hambright's class four or five times in September and October of 1986. The girl, who turned 3 in October, had begun having nightmares and would wet herself when frightened. Her parents believed it was just "a bad stage" she was going through until they heard about the Tobin boy in January. The girl was taken to a therapist at Letterman Army Medical Center in February. In therapy, the girl talked about being sexually abused by Hambright and by a man named "Mikey" and a woman named "Shamby" whose identities were unknown. On Aug. 12, 1987, the Adams-Thompsons were shopping at the PX at the Presidio. Suddenly the girl ran to Larry Adams-Thompson and clutched his leg. He looked up and saw a man whom he knew as Lt Col. Michael Aquino.
http://www.whale.to/b/aq2.html
Apples to oranges.
Christianity and the crimes commited on faith.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tiller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_sh...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing
or lets talk about the "Army of God"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)
Yes satanists commit crimes, but compared on a larger scale it's christians in America that commit the most.
Yes satanists commit crimes, but compared on a larger scale it's christians in America that commit the most.
Christians also eat the most potato chips but that's simply because most Americans identify as members of one Christian sect or another. I personally don't see any link between Christianity, Judaism, Islam or atheism as a motivation for criminal activity. One would have to do a study to make any such assertion and I know that I haven't. Has anyone else here made such a study or even dug one out of the archives?
I'd be very interested to see some scatterplots of measures of a culture's social health vs. its infant/childhood circumcision rates, over time. I strongly suspect there's a leading indicator to be found in there. Did the half-dicked boomer generation carry their pathology into power? Are there problems with the British aristocracy that go beyond pig-fucking?
have to go to bed now, but I honestly have enjoyed our debate...You help me think and I appreciate...ZH is probably not the place to do this, but maybe we are tired of the manipulated stock market lol...thanks you all, you were great and I promise I respect your opinions and they add to my daily intake of knowledge...It was a true pleasure...thanks..
I have no issue with atheists or agnostics. Satanists or people who support attacking other countries and murdering innocent people are evil scum. Wiccans are just retards.
I hope this Lt Col Michael Aquino went to jail for a long time. Evil evil scum.
Yeah bullshit.
The Biggest throne of corpses belongs to the godless.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
And progressives make up most of the prison population.The same progressive assclowns love to persecute christians, kinda like what you are doing......
Grimaldus
What happens in a church? Damn ya all to tell mudafuckers....or give me some ca$h instead! Oh, more...rubs, winks, secret arrangements Sexy tight knit dresses and cloaked men with hoods and a boner for anyone in the mood, orgasmic rhythmic hallelujahs and a wet spot in 10 minutes or less. It's pretty strange in those churches. But it is a safe place to hide if you have something to offer in exchange.
Progressive evil is unfortunately everywhere my friend.
Grimaldus
satanist use the word of God and Jesus because they cannot create. They can only obscure the truth and manipulate creation...satanists use the word of God to control. Crimes are committed using the name of christianity to lie and cheat and destroy...Those who are killing are not chirstians, they are simply using His name to control people. Which obviously they did to you. They made you think the way you think. Do you udnerstand what I am talking about now? I doubt it. We are products of our environment, and believe me, my dad was an evangelist but he thought smoking pot was bad, he even sneered at a black guy with a white woman...This is what I grew up with, so I know what you are talking about. But isnt it time to get out of the box and find out the truth? To me, atheists and agnostics just dont have the balls to face reality..Its an easy way out...I choose Jesus and I find myself in many battles and hardships. But I dont care because I know the picture is bigger than our few years in this vessel we temporarily live in.
"To me, atheists and agnostics just dont have the balls to face reality"
Dont' you have that sentiment inverted? After all the only thing that survives death is your atoms which were formed by fusion in the core of stars perhaps billions of years in the past and will be recycled after you become worm food. Religion was invented as a organized superstition to give people comfort and meaning to life before much was known about the universe and reality. There is no evidence for a soul-its all just faith and insecurity. What is the "composition" of the soul? Who designed the "designer" or God? As for me, like the great physicist and atheist Richard Feynmann once opined on his deathbed, "I don't mind not knowing".
A people's religious sensibilities will shine through any clear-coat of religion they happen to profess. The people often converges on standardized rationalizations to explain their actions in terms of the doctrine du jour (the original "parallel construction"). Bitter, entitled, ambitious peoples will make a hash of any belief system you give them. If imperialism happens to be part of that canon, Katy bar the door!
HI BIlly...I went overboard on speaking of atheists, and I apologize...its not really atheists, it is satanists I was speaking of, again my apologies
Thanks, coast. That's all I was really looking for. I have no problem with your faith. I'm truly glad that you have something that works for you.
but let me ask you, what do you do as an atheist? What do you share to others?
I've had, have and will continue to have what within the confines of the English language would best be described as spiritual experiences. I can appreciate such experiences but lacking real empirical evidence for the existence of unseen things (which would be a contradiction in terms) I can make no rational claim to another that any spirit exists.
Due to its unverifiable nature the spirit can only be seen as subjective. When I interact with others in the real world I can only do so by objective measures.
HI Billy...it is unverifiable that a creator does not exist. Not sure what I am getting at here, but it seems its just a choice. Nobody can verify anything anymore. But asking questions might help us to find out. Sharing ideas and opinions is good too. My logic does not come from something that "works for me". I go thru many struggles and battles. I am not all good etc. But in my opinion, atheists have nothing to share with me that open my mind. Maybe technology, but I dont care aout technology. I want to go deeper into who we are. And for me, atheists just seem to make me feel no better than a monkey getting thru life and eating bananas. Or figuring out a way to open coconuts with a tool they invent. If that is all I am then why do I even exist. We are just organisms like what people look thru in a microsope. Maybe that is all we are, I dont know, but I have found excitement and miracles in my beliefs...Along with hardship also, but feeling my spirit being forever makes me think of new things and new ideas. ..
That's a shame. Despite my atheism I often learn interesting things from people of faith. But then I find wonder in all creation.
Yeah, it's beyond me why people use that argument "without religion there can be no morality". What the fuck? If you need to be afraid of burning for eternity to act halfway decent, then you're gonna end up in hell anyway, and you bloody well should. Give me a good, morally upright atheist any day. He arrived where he is on his own, not from reading some shite in a journal of mass delusion somewhere.
funny, moral athiest
based on what?
nothing
nothing matters, no consequences, situational ethics?
moral my ass.
Morality is based on reason. Injuring other individuals is personally distasteful and would lead to unwelcome consequences from Earthly beings. I understand that my right to self preservation and self defense is the same as your rights in that regard and that if we work together toward those ends then we can be more successful than if we worked independently or if we worked against each other.
Most Christian morality is simple common sense. It would be illogical for a supreme being to institute a code which did not make sense therefore reason alone should be a sufficient motivation for nonviolent behavior regardless of one's religious views.
"Most Christian morality is simple common sense. It would be illogical for a supreme being to institute a code which did not make sense therefore reason alone should be a sufficient motivation for nonviolent behavior regardless of one's religious views."
Yes, but common sense can be stifled, which is much easier to do if your target is an atheist. Unfortunately, atheism gives little protection against manipulation.
After years of observation of catholics and orthodox vs atheists in my EU country, I am positive about that. I repeat, unfortunately.
I yet have to see one atheist who hasn't, at some point, lost his common sense to slide into some self-serving fallacy or some social fad.
I presume that's why the PTB hate catholics and orthodox... too hard to manipulate. That may also be why they try to promote atheism.
The six Catholics and three Jews on the SCOTUS brought us Obamacare and gay marriage.
From one of the wisest men in history:
18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.And a prophet:
my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.
This is major stuff here. The globalists have taken the vision and knowledge from us. Even I am not even close to the truth because of my upbringing, but I do know truth when I see it. I also reject the priests and evangelicals and pastors because they have ignored the basic laws of nature. I tell ya, the Bible and finding truth is the most exciting and rewarding experience this temporary life has to offer as our spirits dwell in these temporary vessels.
This is the knowledge we of Isaiah's actual true and prophesied "Israel," America, must come to understand, that God be restored as our only Sovereign, and the Beast be cast down:
Don Bolles taught America Arizona is an Organized Crime-controlled state, as did Texas demonstrate itself to be under "Big Oil on Murder and Arson" Rockefeller(Bush)/Organized Crime-control with its complicity in the Knight of Malta-led Roman Catholic CIA's (under the field supervision of George HW Bush and Richard Nixon) adjudicated assassination of President Kennedy ('Hunt v. Marchetti') to restore Rome's FedScam JFK had ended, and to keep us as papal catspaw in Indochina for the five percent Roman Catholic colonial false-elite which owned 95% of Vietnam's wealth, after President Kennedy had ordered our military withdrawal (viz. NSAM263).
The father of the woman McCain lay with, to betray the faithful wife who waited, was connected to those who, with impunity, martyred Don Bolles.
Roman Catholic McCain was raised on Capitol Hill. He now pretends a "cover" of some other "religion."
In his autobiography McCain brags his family, for centuries, were mercenaries fighting for the papacy. Guess whose ancestors his were seeking to keep enslaved to kings and popes and homos?
A: America's Founders'.
Once we got away from monarchy and popery and established Isaiah's true and prophesied "Zion," the actual "New Israel" acknowledging only God Almighty as "the King of America" (viz. "Common Sense," Th. Paine), McCain's ancestors came over with their papal funds (Rome was the false-Jew Talmud/papist-run "Wall Street of slavery for over 2,000 years after they impaled tens of thousands of Christs and Immanuel to build Satan's Seat) and establshed themselves, along with many other Rothschild-minion papist/monarchist false-Jew Talmud Khazars and Caesaropapists, with slave plantations in Mississippi. Their sons are maintained in flag ranks and high public office by "the real Anti-Christ's" Fifth Column faction's "de facto" fascist "Directorate." See: "Kay Griggs" on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNitCNycKQ
We Black and White "whigs" (viz. "anti-Roman Catholic") came to America in covenant with God, the perfect, infinite, eternal, living, present, ineffable, invisible, holy, righteous, and unique Creator of the universe, to flee McCain's satanic Talmud false-Jew/Zio-papist, Thomas Jefferson-identified "engine for enslaving mankind" faction which re-conquered us with the "Civil War" and Roman Catholic assassination of President Lincoln, and nailed their logo, the Fasces, perfectly antithetical to the utopian Deist/Capitalist/Protestant ("Cross of St. Andrew") ideals upon which The Founding took place, to the front wall of the U.S. House, to prove it.
Econ majors never wonder that America is now a "de facto" fascist state?
McCain murdered 134 sailors and officers on the flight deck of the Forrestal, and moronically (by evidence he provides) threw away his fifth plane over Hanoi to become the Songbird (not trusting his fellow POW's and God could nurse his broken bones) - never tortured - with injuries to his body from an incompetent ejection - of course - next to the "goat" of his class at Annapolis.
His grandfather was relieved of his command during WWII for disobeying direct orders in throwing away a ship and crew in a typhoon; and his father was complicit, with sex pervert and bigamist LBJ, in atheist Herzl's and Vatican banker Rothschilds' "State of Israel's" attack on the USS Liberty, the same satanic Putin-identified Holodomor-committing, Holohoaxing, Zionist element whose Mossad was instrumental to "Vatican-running" Knight of Malta-grandson and homosexual psychopath, George W. Bush's and Cheney's 9/11 false-flag treason.
It is past time for the Beast now upon the American People to be, by grace, cast down, that holiness and righteousness be restored to Our Land. It won't be jumping into the pit of full expropriation and judicial execution on its own.
Death for Treason - Vindication and Appreciation for Kay Griggs' Godly witness - Justice for John and Martin, and Pat Tillman, and for our war and 9/11 dead.
Here is a firsthand account by a Christian Science Monitor reporter during the Battle of Najaf in Iraq in 2004, of how a Shia Muslim fighter near death was miraculously healed, and then went back to fighting the American Christians who had invaded his land:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0826/p06s01-woiq.html
"A few blocks away, Doctor Hassan visits Raad Rishad, who received shrapnel wounds in his abdomen, X-rays showed the shrapnel near his heart. But when doctors took the second set of X-rays, before surgery, the shrapnel disappeared.
Mr. Rishad says it was a miracle by the Mahdi, or Messiah, himself. "I had a dream, in which I saw two men, one dressed in black, and one dressed in white," he says. "The man in white told me that I would be all right, the shrapnel is already gone, because he had already removed it from me. Later, the doctor checked the wound he said there was nothing there. I'm sure the operation in the dream was real."
"This is the reason we are fighting," Rishad adds, "to prepare the way of the Mahdi. This is not just for our freedom or the protection of our homes."
Doctor Hassan admits that Rishad has made a remarkable recovery, but he worries that Rishad may be a bit too eager to return to battle. Already, just 10 days after being wounded in the first battle, Rishad showed up at another fight with American forces. Doctor Hassan, himself fighting with a Kalashnikov, told him to go home."
Because Jesus said, " go forth and murder thine enemies. Thou shalt not be pussies!"
Al-Ciada in Syria & Iraq is not really a religious movement. It's mercenaries and gangs with some Orc handlers mixed in to steer them. The over-the-top religious nonsense is meant for foreign and domestic propaganda.
Cut out the American evangelical bullshit please. ZH is an international website and very few of us around the world fall for the simplistic, childlike narrative stupid American Protestants have been falling for. A huge part of the problem we're all having at this moment in time is American self-righteous, obnoxious, simple-minded so-called Christians seeking to impose their stupid mindset on the rest of the world. Cut it the fuck out.
As a serf land-tied by FATCA to the land of the FREE*, I support this sentiment.
* Always remember the asterisk!
FATCA - quite an extraordinary act, and conclusive proof that the US authorities are completely removed from reality. By coincidence I opened a bank account (in Ireland) on Friday, and had to answer a question about any connections I have with the US. I have no connections whatsoever with the US. I would really like to know what gives the US authorities the right to ask European citizens this question, and to prevent them from opening accounts if they refuse to answer it. Deluded f**kin arseholes.
Mad vlad deployed the Delilah option.
He went full Tom Jones on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQIK3Te9Coo
Gahh Tom Jones!!
Now I have to go listen to Thunderball.
Alls I care about right now is a english version of Bruce Lee fk the rest is bs...