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Prominent Veterans Group Just Called On US Public To Say No To War
Submitted by Nick Bernabe via TheAntiMedia.org,
A group of former U.S. service members called the Veterans For Peace issued a letter to the American public and President Obama today. In it, they outline reasons for the Unites States to immediately end the war in Afghanistan and elsewhere and call on the public to step in to ensure it happens. The entire letter is included below:
“President Obama’s decision to prolong the U.S. led war in Afghanistan only ensures U.S. responsibility for more death and destruction. Veterans For Peace condemns the decision and calls on the U.S. public to say no to more war.
Today, President Obama commented, ‘I do not support the idea of endless war, and I have repeatedly argued against marching into open-ended military conflicts that do not serve our core security interests.’ But Veterans For Peace asks, what is this policy but endless war? The U.S. has been fighting in Afghanistan for over fourteen years. What can fewer than 10,000 service members do that more than 100,000 could not? Al-Qaeda is a non-factor in Afghanistan and the Taliban are Afghans. U.S. presence in Afghanistan ensures more Afghan deaths and delay in reduction of violence so that civil society can be rebuilt and peace and justice can begin to take hold. War, Mr. President, has not worked. If you don’t believe in endless wars and you want to be a true Nobel Peace laureate to be looked up to and admired for working for peace in the face of pressure to continue down the road of war, Bring Our Troops Home and put all of the weight and power of the U.S. behind building peace.
In his remarks, the president referred to the Taliban and the people of Afghanistan as if they are two different groups. The truth is that the Taliban represent a portion of the Afghan people. The Taliban are Pashtun tribesmen. Pashtuns are also the majority in Afghanistan. This makes it very difficult to combat the Taliban as they have many sympathizers and supporters who may not actively fight the U.S. backed government, but will not support it.
It is clear that U.S. led efforts in Afghanistan have given more people reason to join the Taliban. A Carnegie Endowment for International Peace 2009 question and answer piece explained, people… ‘join because the Afghan government is unjust, corrupt, or simply not there. They also join because the Americans have bombed their houses or shown disrespect for their values. For young people, joining the Taliban is a way to earn social status.’
That was written six years past, and little has changed. Just two weeks ago on October 3, 2015 the U.S. bombed a Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Kunduz Afghanistan killing twelve medical staff, ten patients and wounding thirty-two others. This type of incident is not uncommon. Amnesty International’s 2014/15 Annual Afghanistan Report says, ‘ISAF and NATO forces continued to launch night raids and aerial and ground attacks, claiming dozens of civilian lives, despite completing the handover of responsibility for security to the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF) in June 2013.’
The report goes on to say.[sic] ‘There were significant failures of accountability for civilian deaths, including a lack of transparent investigations and a lack of justice for the victims and their families.’ An October 14th New York Times article reports that, ‘Mr. Ghani is not popular among Afghans. And the problems in his government — like corruption and incompetence — run so deep that fixing them will take years, possibly decades.’ Trust of the Afghan government has not increased among the people it claims to represent.
It is true that anti-government forces are responsible for the vast majority of civilian deaths. However, continuing the war does not increase the possibility for reduction of violence to save lives. This makes coalition forces and the opposition complicit in every death. There is little chance of defeating the Taliban because they will not stop fighting until the foreign invaders are gone and there are not enough Afghans willing to possibly die in support of the U.S. backed national government.
There is not a perfect solution to the tragedy of Afghanistan. War has been the norm for the people of Afghanistan for nearly 37 years. The answer to ending the violence there is political, not military. The U.S. must withdraw and give the nation of Afghanistan back to the people of Afghanistan. The people of Afghanistan must form their own union. One we may not like, but is theirs. The international community must pressure the Afghan government, Taliban dominated or not, to follow international law and respect human rights. A real diplomatic effort must be brought to bear to end the violence so that the people of Afghanistan can rebuild civil society and create space for human rights activists to struggle for a just society.
Concerns about the threat of ISIL in Afghanistan must be met with more effective efforts to end the violence and wars in Iraq and Syria. U.S. global policy of endless war is merging into a global response of violence. We need a global response that meets human needs and aspirations. War is not the foundation on which to build peace. U.S. efforts have proven that war is the breeding ground for more violence and hatred. We demand a peace plan, Mr. President. We are not war weary, we simply know it does not work.
Finally, there are U.S. service members and families upon whose shoulders this failed and derived policy of endless war will continue to fall. U.S. military personnel have sacrificed enough in blood on the battlefield; wounded and killed. They are burdened with executing a no win strategy. When they come home they face unemployment, homelessness, recovery from physical and mental wounds and high rates of death by suicide. The Department of Veterans Affairs is already overwhelmed, unable to meet the needs of our brother and sister veterans. This policy ensures more of the same on the home front as well. Mr. President, it is clearly time to end this and all U.S. wars. Bring Them Home and Take Care of Them When They Get Here.”
Veterans for Peace is a non-profit anti-war group whose members include U.S. military veterans. You can find their website here.
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Did no one tell these guys that War Is A Racket?
Guest Post:
Consider all this; and then turn to this green, gentle, and most docile earth; consider them both, the sea and the land; and do you not find a strange analogy to something in yourself? For as this appalling ocean surrounds the verdant land, so in the soul of man there lies one insular Tahiti, full of peace and joy, but encompassed by all the horrors of the half known life. God keep thee! Push not off from that isle, thou canst never return!
HERMAN MELVILLE
Untill I turned six and my first grade teacher called me by a name I did not know, insular Tahiti was mine.
“.... serve our core security interests....”
Maybe if we, citizens, were told what these core security interests were it would help. Seems “core” should be rather obvious, it is not. Pearl Harbor was obvious, needed no more ‘splain’n . Just tell us!
All Goyim into the meat grinder! Do it for Hillary and Bill!
But we need our troops there to protect opium production to finance our Black Ops programs ...
Opium is so 1800's. The poppies is what we're really there to protect. Otherwise how will our kids enjoy cheap heroin?
We also need to prop up charming local cultures in all their diversity.
Blaming Obama for Afghanistan? Fuck this twilight zone. Its ok the Bush and family are the Nazis that are responsible for eveything from The holocaust to JFk assassination to 9/11, hes a republican so he thinks people should "keep their money." Fookin retards.
Where do you think Heroin comes from? Lol
War? We don't have a war anywhere. We just have places where we dump over priced munitions so as to keep industry healthy and the economy going.
Wars are where tow sides fight it out to see who wins. We have not done that in a very long time.
Pearl Harbor was manipulated. It was no surprise attack. MacArthur discovered the task force half way en route from Japan. He had orders not to notify Pearl. Read Kimmel's bio ..
The ground was broke to immediately build the Pentagram on what day and month of the year?
...Finally!!!
The Vets lead the way....soon to be followed by the Millennials.
Fuck the MIC and John McCain
We've lost the will to fight because we've realized after a painfully long time that we are dumping souls for nothing other than a bunch of greedy bastards whims.
It has been over for years now. The only "leaders" (aka senior commissioned officers and senior NCOs) left are a bunch of line towing, ass kissing, otherwise inept yes men for the "elite" luciferian bastards.
Soldiers, Sailers, Marines, Airmen - take notice. Hopefully you've already taken notice.
Edit: People of America also take notice - there is an intelligent way for troops to protect American interests without laying waste to wherever we go and without sacrificing our own - what you have seen over the last 20-25 years is NOT IT!!!! Need to help these boys get their message out.
"We've lost the will to fight because we've realized......"
Nonsense -
it has been go along to get along since the - DRAFT - was eliminated in 1969 - less than 3 million citizens to include their families are effected by endless War - 1% of the population - which is why they ended the draft - so they can wage war with those who need the.... JOB.
if the draft was in place (with NO exceptions for 2S status- Student or Conscientious Objector status BS or Medical BS or Religious BS) - there would be no war because the majority would be at risk instead of a minority.
Vietnam was ended because - "Hell No We Wont Go" - became the mantra - the military didnt end the war nor did the politicians - the people at risk did!
You've got a good point about the draft, but I cannot say that I agree with your generalization of people being in the armed forces just because they need a job. That is a generalization and dove tails into making all service members motive for service frivolous and easily comes off as a wedge issue.
There are some there because they need a job and are performing "work". There are some there because they are serving their country, and there are some there because going back to the Civil War, it is their family tradition.
I leave out the motive for their service because I do not want to lump one group of service members with another and then use the motive as a wedge.
Again, I agree 100 percent with what you wrote about the draft, but the service members I speak of are not the mercenaries who will do anything they are told because they need a job. The ones who have lost their will are those who believed in what they were doing as a patriot and found the truth over time.
Our best hope for regaining our military are the true patriots in there. We are currently on course militarily to repeat Napoleon I at the height of his arrogance (and he had conscription). Spread too thin, not on the right side of the law, biting off more than we can chew. The hubris of our politicians and "leaders" is astounding.
The Millenials?
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(for Insular Tahiti) At least it wasn't Herman
Goat fucking is a value? Ass fucking little boys is a value? In DC, maybe, but the rest of America doesn't think much of it. Let 'em have that shit hole back.
Long Poppies!
FORWARD CALIPHATE!
the ghost of Smedley Butler
Does that mean they are racketeers? BTW, Smedley wrote that AFTER decades of being an eager participant in the Racket, including being "lent" out to civilian governments within the United States. That is how he earned his money and his fame. Sort of like a mob hit man who brags about his kills. "Yeah, I'm in the Mob, and the Mob is organized crime".
Smedley is a mixed bag.
You mean like conservative republican politicians who work for big government, but get elected by claiming that "Big Government" is the problem?
Sometimes ya gotta throw a lot of crap at the wall to see what will stick.
War IS a racket...especially if nothing else is increasing the wallets of our owners in this economy and keeping military-aged testosterone-laden males willing to kill out of the country fighting someone else besides their own government who considers them less than animals...
We are expending the lives of our servicemen in an unjust war of Imperialism.
Our armed forces should train and be prepared to Defend the US if we are attacked.
And, actually, we need to keep a smaller standing army and enforce the Dick Act of 1903:
http://www.alternatewars.com/Congress/Dick_Act.htm
We should revert to the original intent of the Constitution and use an American form of the Swiss military system, where we have 5-10 million reservists who train regularly, but who otherwise have civilian lives. I spent 3 tours in the Guard, which taught me a lot and gave me some usable skills.
will Hollywood ever get "Ol' Gimlet Eye" off the ground?
Tom Cruise as the USMC Major General and Jonah Hill as the real Jerry MacGuire.
What can fewer than 10,000 service members do that more than 100,000 could not?---Oh that's easy. They can make sure the poppy fields keep on producing opiates at record pace. Then the CIA can maintain 90% share of the world's opium market. Run the profits thru their favorite banks. Even when the banks get caught, ie Barclay's/BOA, they pay their cost of going business fine and continue. Wash rinse repeat
Negative-sum games are bad strategy !
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/people-can-lose-zero-or-ne...
War is not a playable game.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/high-dimensioned-games/
The future is not foreseeable.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/warning-ideas-are-dangerous/
Is Russian army a racket? They do not too bad of a job with minimal resources.
Bonus Army 2.0 getting restless..
They claim that this was written by a prominent Veteran's organization, has anyone ever heard of them? In whose definition is it prominent? Additionally, I seem to remember 10's of thousands of terrorists were being trained in Afghanistan each year to go around the world to kill American's and many thousands of them flowed across Iran to settle around Halabja, Iraq. Afghanistan will fall apart and 100's of thousands will most certainly die, when the Americans leave. Additionally, the few girls that currently get an education and the few women who work, will come to an end.
You think things are bad now, wait until we leave, it will be a continuation of a blood bath, that will dwarf anything that is going on right now. People rightly criticize our flawed allies, but they are almost always much better than the alternative. Just look at what happened to millions and millions in Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Iran, when Americans packed up and left.
As to the cynical minded who believe that war is a racket, I beg to differ, there are reasons to fight to protect ourselves, way of life and to sometimes protect others. Just look at where Europe and Asia would be today, if we had just stayed home. Or more recently, if we allowed Saddam to occupy Kuwait or allow him to exterminate the Kurds. America is the one force for good in the world and if we pack up and go home, then no one will make the effort to stop the blood shed and to somewhat mediate the killing, that would be far worse if we left.
I spent over 25 years fighting for America, 10 of those years in war zones, I do not remember one American saying he or she was there to murder people, to earn money for war industries, just the opposite they were there to help others, to protect America and for the watch over those next to them.
The world is a very bad place and would be far worse, if not for the US trying to keep the peace and stop those who have no conscience. Does anyone think for one minute that the world dominated by the Chinese, Russia, Iran or North Korea would be benevolent and help anyone? They slaughter and enslave with no remorse. Russia does little or nothing to prevent or moderate civilian deaths. They just say they don't kill civilians and there lackeys repeat the lies and useful idiots and America haters repeat the lies even more.
God bless, respectfully American Warrior.
Excellent sarcasm.
+1
Ever punch a wall made of marshmallows? Yeah, you can leave a dent, but it slowly returns to a flat wall.
This will be a non-story in MSM and completely ignored. The MIC needs moar countries to destroy, civilians to bomb, infrastructure to obliterate... refugees to create... chaos
War in the ME are just like Vietnam........un- winable....bringem' back...
Any war is winnable. You just have to have the drive and passion to do so. You also need honest leadership whose primary interest is that of the warring nation. This we definitely do not have in the U.S. since we have metamorphosized into a zombified Gentile body with a Zionist head controlling it.
You also have to have an endgame in mind. WTF is our current endgame? That question has me flummoxed because perhaps there is no endgame.
<< Any war is winnable >>
... and all wars are profitable ... to someone.
I've brought this up before, but glassing an area does not effect deep subsurface resources.
Yet it can make access to them problematic. And China may be none too happy about the fallout.
I'm kinda noodling that the military service needs clerk/typist and logistics type people in greater quantities than Seal Teams.
Us Sixty year olds don't mind being Rear Area Mother Fuckers.
Of course, many of us are 'front line' already, paying for these random walks in the park.
But to answer, with little tactical nuke knowledge, two of the dirtiest type of weapons imaginable were deposited in Japan, and compared to their other radiation problems, the legacy alphas , betas, and gammas are pretty subdued.
Why does anyone need to win the war? That's crazy. A sustained war maximizes and sustains profits.
Sincerely,
Scumbag Bankster
War is the path to the totalitarian state. That's why it must be endless.
Depends how you define victory. Is it killing everyone in the ME. Sure that's winnable.
Is is pacifing the Countries and converting them to democracy and western values? Not happening in a thousand years.
Somehow, I don't get the impression that either of those are our goal.
I believe Victory smells like jellied, burning gasoline.
I believe I would know it if I see it.
Every action since Korea has been unjust. Banker wars?
Is insanity impeachable? I served during Viet Nam, for what?
The reason does not matter, we must stop this while we still out number the insane evil.
What are "western values?"
We are seeing Germany, UK, USA and other being converted to third worldism and islamism by the Zog-ligarchs.
Any war is winnable if you're truly waging war. The US is not waging war. The US is waging police actions and has so many rules of engagement that it can't win. They're not meant to win. They're meant to give money to the MIC.
If the US was truly waging war in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, as well as against ISIS, it all would have been over with years ago. But that wouldn't have lined enough pockets. So, we get eternal police actions and "nation building" (which more resembles nation destroying to me) that are called wars.
THIS
'Win' is a long-term evaluation.
See any empires still standing? Did not their intelligence services see their future? What is the proportion of intelligence agency heads in the baskets relative to other agency heads in unexpected changes of govs? I think that if we don't know that figure, intelligence agencies don't see the future, as it would be such a selling point for their services.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/warning-ideas-are-dangerous/
WOAR is only winnable when you have an objective. If the objective is to end terrorism, then the objective is to destroy an idea.
Destroying an idea is next to impossible...without genocide. WITH the complete annihilation of a people group, however, such an impossible goal becomes possible.
Try selling THAT idea to someone, though, and you'll start to sound like the bad guy with bad ideas.
You win a war the same way you always win wars - by breaking the will of your enemy. We knew how to do that not so long ago. You commit horrible acts of brutality upon your enemy that live on in legend for a thousand years. What we did to the Germans and the Japanese is crush their soul, break their will, and remove any notion that they wanted to fight us, or anyone, ever again. That is how you win a war.
That's the ONLY way to win a war. So we're obviously not fighting to win.
Exactly. War is supposed to be a terrible thing, something to be avoided, because if you go to war, you are trying to destroy an enemy. You bring every weapon and every tactic you know to bear on the enemy and you destroy their will to fight. You don't go into a war with the notion that it's going to be clean and antiseptic. You go in full force because you want it over fast and you want a shitload more of their guys to be lying dead on the ground than your guys at the end of the day.
We're not fighting to win. We're not even fighting not to lose. We're fighting just to show the flag.
War converts hearts and minds into pink mist. This afghanistan NATO clusterfuck didnt focus on that...not that I thought we should have tried in that particular country. But it was a great place to fundamentally transform our military.
Side-effects is the problem. So often tactics used against enemies are used against civilian political oponents back home, habits of mind of ex-military people transfer to civlian agencies, ...
Besides the fact that 'win' is such a short-term thing in the lives of Empires, and they are so often exposed to vengeance as they go broke at the exact point of maximum enemies maximally enraged.
Afghanistan is the place where empires go to die.
Veterans for Peace? I presume they've been calling for peace since their founding.
Yea, they are allied with their sister group, "Prostitutes for Celibacy."
"Politicians for Sortition."
Nothing clears the varnish of propaganda off faster than seeing how the blunt hammer is actually used first hand. I joined for Constitution, apple pie and freedom. I came away with a hell of an education.
Yes, they have, and I was a member until they started making noise about "economic justice", whatever that is. As long as they have their sights on peace and only peace, they are a fine outfit.
I understand. As long as the wars have been Obama Wars, for "justice," then Veterans for Peace approve. Got it.
Re Trumps comments about 9/11:
1. It may open up the eyes of more people and cause some people who have not been able to question the " official version" to question it.
2. It may allow those in the media who have questions to at least ask questions about it, even if their questions are required to be skeptical of any "non-official" version.
That being said, he or someone else needs to go further and get very specific about certain anomalies. For example, they need to say something like "There were some strange things that happened that day that have not been explained to my satisfaction.". When asked for more particulars just say WTC7 is the main one. That should be the focus because once you start there, the rest follows.
Ask Jeb to explain his thoughts on WTC 7 not whether he loves his brother.
‘Oops, maybe we should roll back the Real ID Act and dismantle the airport security systems.”.
For intents and purposes 9/11 happened 500 years ago.
Maybe this is why the Theodore Roosevelt pulled out of the Middle East ass?...
Wouldn't it be great if we saw some communications taking place in the highest echelons of the U.S. Navy telling the Commander-in-Chief Reggie to pound himself up the ass with both hands!
I think that is what you call a "mutiny"! Isn't it?...
Or perhaps it's what happened to the S.S. Donald Cook a year ago and the technicians that had to repair it said you pull something like this one again and "we walk"! Can't say I blame them when you use your own as fodder to start a World War? Just ask Germany, France and Italy how it feels being used by the U.S. MIC to achieve those ends.
Just like the letters that came stateside the President when the ship limped back to Romania for damage control!!!
Told ya a "9/11 redux" would be harder than it looks!!!
Pull out and let the Russians take care of the Middle East.
America can do other things; close their borders to illegals and live peaceful, happy lives...
Afghanistan is the same recipe as Korea, Vietnam, Serbia, Iraq, and many other places where the U.S. has unsuccessfully jumped into a civil war. The only 'success' has come from dividing up the countries or from the U.S. getting out (like in Vietnam).
Obama is worried about his 'legacy' and wants to stay in Afghanistan until his term ends, so that liberal historians won't point at his failure there. Rather it will be the next President that 'lost' Afghanistan.
All these wars are about looting the national treasury, money for defense contractor friends and sometimes drugs and other treasure.
I read an article about France in Indochina. A lot of it was for French rubber plantations for probably Michelin tires and other things.
Another big component was the heroin/opium trade. Supposedly, the French had pissed off one of the tribes that was growing opium for them. My guess is it all ran through Marsallies. The one tribe had enough of the French and pretty much sold them out at Dien Ben Phu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu
The See Eye Aye also supposedly backed the Viet Minh which defeated the French. So the USA probably saw the money France was making off of drugs and opium and ramped up the Vietnam War.
Oddly enough, the Viet Minh named is later dropped and did they become the Viet Cong? Sort of like the Al Qeada gets phased out for ISIS? New "war" and new bogey man?
Remember that LBJ had connections to Meyer Lansky who got rich running heroin through Mexico. Somebody probably pitched the Vietnam/Indo China drug trade. The Deep State banksters?
Remember Hyman Roth in the Godfather who was roughly what Lanksy was in real life. Lansky was more untouchable. He was protected from everyone. Francis Ford Coppola has a mobster kill Roth at the airport and the killer gets shot by the cops. Very much like Jack Ruby. Coppola got all the connections in that scene ala JFK.
The point is opium/heroin has been insanely profitable since the Chinese First Opium War 1839 if not earlier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
The Chinese were viewed like cattle to just get them hooked on opium. How evil is that?
I would bet the opium business in Afghanistan is probably $350 billion a year and it probably nets $320 billion.
Even more than the $, the CIA no doubt uses the effect on Russia of cheap heroin.
One of my wife's clients went to her daughter's funeral in Russia a few years ago, girl died of an OD. She met friends from the 15 or so families she had grown up with. The families had lost 12 children to drug ODs.
Russia's population is not growing, drugs are a drag on their nation.
the CIA just tries to protect their poppy harvest ....
JUST SOME PEACEMONGER SHOW !
Out, now. Who gives a flying fuck about that place besides the tribes there and dope dealers?
The place will be our graveyard. Surely somebody gives a fuck about that.
We are already dead (as a nation). We just have not come to terms with our demise. Keep preparing until we no longer can and hope you have prepared adequately enough for the 'after'.
National defense. Defense. DEFENSE! IT'S NOT FUCKING OFFENSE.
Veterans For Peace...
A little advice.
First, send your letter to Zero Hedge readers. There are hundreds of thousands of them.
We care about the same things you do, even though we haven't (most of us that is) killed anyone for a fucking pension, yet. You are wasting your time sending a letter to the American people and their White House monkey.
They could give a shit about you and your opinions, and the majority are illiterate, obese, stupid fucks anyway.
Second, take your government murder training and do the right fucking thing for once instead of writing letters.
Nice.
Yes, that applies double to the serving officers.
I was always astonished at the German generals who had been forced to swear personal fealty to Adolf Hitler. In holding to a forced promise, they killed a large proportion of their own population, and ended many of their own bloodlines.
'Honor' is a concept easily mis-applied, it seems.
This government is no longer competent, legitimate, Constitutional, working, or capable of knowing why it does anything.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/07/25/us-federal-government-is-f...
It is way past time to end this insanity, our government is forcing the country to revolution. We citizens will destroy our rulers, no question, but we will all become very poor in the process.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/02/17/why-patriots-can-win/
THANK YOU VETS for taking this stance !!!
The group that this country pretends to honor on Veteran's Day and fucks over the remaining 364 days each year.
Which god is going to reward you for dying for Commander Obama?
I've been saying "no" to war for more than 50 years but not many listen.
If you protest we will create events to make 9/11 seem like child's play. Nuke in major cities.
You will live war.
You will eat war.
You will grow to only know war.
Because that is what we are and what we do.
- The Elders of Zion
"Veterans for Peace"
That's a nice touch. However, they need to be aiming all the young canon fodder signing up, since it is 100% volunteer, after all.
That won't work. They're young, dumb and full of cum, and a lot of them think that the military is their only way out of whatever shithole they're currently in. There will be recruits.
For a lot of us, it was trading one kind of fucked-up situation for another.
I joined, in part, because I didn't think the nights or shower-time at Cook County Jail would be all that great for the underweight, unconnected, white kid that I was, so I told the judge that I was enlisting. I did harbor a hope that maybe the military was sometimes used as a force for good... ...very rarely, it is, but sometimes.
The military did toughen me up, and I don't fear the cellblock (though no desire to visit, either) in the way that I once did. I still wish I had other choices than to join or get ass-raped.
These veterans are out line... USA is the zionist war machine to create greater Israel... how dare they challenge the self anointed chosen ones... start the draft, that shall teach them a lesson.
Oh a draft is coming but it's going to be in Europe. In 5 or 10 years, all these young men that thought they'd be getting a free ride in Europe forever will be off to fight Russia.
Wait??? Doesn't Obama have a Nobel Peace prize?
There could be a draft after our "Spratley" adventure.
White house Monkey
Hilarious !
Loyal veterans are supposed to "support the troops" just like the politicians which means 1) don't question 'defense' budgets 2) don't question new theatres of engagement and 3) support sending more troops into the meatgrinder.
So are these "Veterans for Peace" really veterans? People like Cheney, Graham, Bush, Obama, the Clintons etc should be asked whether, when they were deployed overseas, they saw any of these so-called "veterans" in combat.
And even if these so-called 'veterans' actually did serve overseas, well then clearly they are "self-hating veterans".
/s/
Loyal veterans "protect and defend the Constitution".
Is that not what these guys are trying to do? I believe they reeeeeeealy are veterans.
Most VFP members I know are veterans of foreign wars, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, for the most part. I was in the minority, having never fought overseas.
I'm already against the next war.
how unpatriotic of you... you need to be for ALL WAR!!! MOAR WAR!
Obama's gay army chief now will draft women so it is equal for all... more death for Americans... The only war should be against Zio control... it would not take much... a few casualties and they will start running like ISIS is running from Russian bombs.
When is the 24 hr war channel coming out... live death and destruction of Israel's foes... next up... Turkey... stay tuned next week for attack on China...
Support the dollar... vote MOAR WAR!!! get your T shirts today!
Discourage your sons, daughters, grandchildren from joining the US Military, and stop saying "Thank you for your service".
They swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution....not undermine it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3349714/posts
Cockpit Crew questioned Legality of Bombing Hospital - DrsWithoutBorders
Lots of dumb f**ks over at Free Republic saying the US soldiers just needed to follow orders!
Here is a guy who stood up and tried to stop the My Lai Massacre: Lt. Hugh Thompson Jr. This guy and the men with him were heroes. They were in a tiny helicopter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson,_Jr.
2015 - 1963 = 52 Years of Useless Foreign Wars run by America's biggest Dip-shits.
We need Biannual National Referendums (twice yearly) to end stupid Presidential and Congressional Actions.
- Middle East and African Refugees from places we attacked
- Open Borders
- TPP, TTIP, TAA, TPA, TISA, NAFTA, WTO
- Globalism
- Corporations with more power than developed countries
- Lobbying without limits, even by foreigners
- Money and Gifts in Politics
- Term Limits
- Censorship, Freedom of Speech, Free Internet, Domestic Spying
- Global War on Terrorism (G.W. Bush Crusades)
- Government by the People not Elites like Hillary that Laugh at the destruction of Libya
- Government by the People not Drone Assassination that kill women and kids (Just to prove we have big power)
- 4 Iraqis charged in Switzerland over alleged ISIS-linked terror plots (Yeah, we need Terror Cells in the USA to Justify our DHS, FBI, Cyber Warfare Director, DoD Budget, Spy Budget, and Militarization of the Federal and State Governments)
Obama knows they can't withdraw yet.He's got his orders.The US is too dependant on the recycling of heroin money coming in through New York Banks.We're talking hundreds of billions here.This is the only reason the Government within The Government (the CIA) has control over Obama.It's the drug money that is the backbone of all CIA funding for overthrowing Governments,creating chaos worldwide and establishing puppet dictatorships.If the CIA loses control of its heroin operations worldwide then its down to cocaine.The Taliban will end the heroin production which means that the CIA will have to find other souces of income in order to get around The General Accounting Office.
Wall Street feeds on Heroin....and War PROFITEERING.
I'll never understand why "Veterans For Peace" and other veteran groups do not take on the cause of war: FINANCIAL SOCIOPATHS who finance SOCIOPATHS.
There will always be sociopaths around, but why do they have to be financed. So-called leaders of men are usually no more than local bullies who got financiing. NOTHING on any scale happens without financing. Can you imagine what would happen if some of these sociopaths, who went and killed college students, got Koch-funded?
Ask the vets who will gain control of the poppy crops over there. Do you think USA / CIA / Military will let the Taliban burn the crops to the ground again?
That's a shit ton of cash that the banks get to launder and skim off of.
I don't think so.
Like all wars since WWII, smaller wars are essentially welfare programs for the military industrial complex. The people who sit on the boards of those companies (e.g. Boeing, Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, EADS, et. al.) also own, and sit on the boards of media companies and lobbying corporations. They control the legislature, the news and the flow of taxpayer money.
Objectively, we have little interest in the middle east other than oil. In 35-40 years, that will be insignificant. We have no reason to be heavily involved in Asia. It's not like China is about to return to communism or stop trading with us, and even if it did, why should we care if they didnt' interfere with us?
It is, and always has been, all about money, maintaining the petrodollar hegemony and domestic corporate profit.
No shame is greater and no treason deeper than that of an American Presstitute.
If the military don't lay down their lives, who will protect all the wealthy peeples?
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So where's Cindy Sheehan these days? Doesn't matter, the Liberal Media would ignore her anyway. Doesn't fit the narrative to go against ObamaMessiah.
I don't think our history of meddling in the middle east has done us a lot of good. It turned traditionally friendly countries against us.
I don't believe I am anti raghead nor anti joo because I want to stay out of what is essentially a joo/raghead fight. If you want to prove I am anti joo or anti raghead you will have to find evidence other than my desire to stay out of their bullshit
The truth is the money/govn't/laws are controlled by the money changers with links to Israel. It's never been about what's good for this nation, but for greater Israel.
War in Afghanistan? Not really! What is happening is that US disposable grunts go out on meaningless patrols and get taken out by the local militias who have the advantage. Also, constant resupply convoys get hit by local militias who have the advantage, killing and severely wounding US disposable grunts. This is NOT war it's imposed suicide of US disposable grunts. If the MIC is hell bent on killing troops, line them up in the US and shoot every 10th one - it's cheaper and the other nine don't have to travel half-way around the world - it's COST-effective. I know, I was a grunt in a losing battle; yeah, that's right, I'm TALKING from experience...
Afghanistan was about reorganization of opium distribution channels. That policy hypertension on the War on Drugs theme.
The focus groups are a laughing stock imaginable.
I say we keep the thugs there or they'll be back here knockout punching people. In fact, why not send moar over there!
"What's the point of having this superb military that you're always talking about if we can't use it?" - Madeleine Albright to Colin Powell, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in the 1990s, on Bosnia, recounted in Madam Secretary (2003), p. 182
This Is What Winning Looks Like (Full Length)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5Q75hf6QI
"This Is What Winning Looks Like" is an HBO documentary about the ineptitude, drug abuse, sexual misconduct, and corruption of the Afghan security forces as well as the reduced role of US Marines due to the troop withdrawal.
But if we do not get the 4 trillion dollars of Rare Earth Elements out of Afghanistan, who will? The Chinese? We cannot let THAT happen.
Incorrect, China has been integrated in mining rare earth elements in Africa. They even built their own airport.
I wish rots of ruck to anybody who tries to get those rare earths out of Afghanistan. The place is not stable, It is not conducive to mining.
Please email or call your congressmen and women and tell them you do not want war.
Most of them do not give a shit about what their constitutants want. So long as they bring home enough pork to keep the plebs satisfied, that is all that matters.
I will also be sure to vote.
How to shut the F&*King mouths of the ZH
O'bama hating couch potato armchair warrior Putin luving Bush defender jew hating right wing wack jobs
thank you Veterans for Peace
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KILL KILL KILL!!!!!
CREATE, CREATE, CREATE !!!
A little off topic, but I was wondering.
Have the much celebrated Oath Keepers made any genuine changes in the armed forces, police, or government?
I don't see a whole lot of the perpatrators hanging up their guns, and uniforms, and PENSIONS.
Here goes a solution: STOP FUCKING VOLUNTEERING TO FIGHT. Every "war" of recent memory has been a war of choice. Both for the TPTB and for the people who willfully volunteered to buy into the bullshit. There is no draft.....full stop. You're part of the problem. You want to "serve your country"? March on Washington.
To be fair alot of them join because there is no other choice. Its either that or flip burgers and struggle. Remember the military allows you free food,free healthcare, education. You cant get that in the civilian life of flippjng burgers or walmart. The simple answer would be considerably reduce the size of the military and use the money to make american luves better but we know a unicorn when we see one.
look at the bright side Opium production is way up, all with US blessings. Boys are being raped by our war lord allies, all with US blessing, and our allies will stab us in the back as soon as we cut off the money we use to bribe them... What is wrong sounds like a perfect outcome...
Semper Fi to the insurrection mother fuckers.
Dad too old and me too young for Vietnam, but I can honestly say it was just about the best show on TV in my youth.
Why would amurica want to end these wars?
What would the MIC do for money?
Who would get all of the profits from the poppies?
Who would get the cheap ME oil?
How would the US dollar be backed without using their Military to force the world to use it or else?
Countries would be able to govern themselves without fear of a Coup or a puppet leader.
The US would have to address some issues at home.
Oh no we cannot have any of that!
Carry on as you were!
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I've been saying no to bull shit wars since 1964.