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With US Warships En Route To Islands, China Asks: "What On Earth Makes Them Think We Will Tolerate This?"
The US is in a tough spot militarily.
In Syria, Russia and Iran have taken advantage of the fact that the plan hatched by the West and its regional allies to destabilize the Assad regime took far too long to develop. The idea was to foment discord and provide covert support for the various armed militias fighting to overthrow the government. But the effort is entering its fifth year and Assad is still there. Not only that, there have been a series of unintended (well, at least we hope they’re unintended) consequences. First, one of the rebel groups the West and its allies supported morphed into an insane band of white basketball shoe-wearing, black flag-waving, sword-wielding desert bandits. Second, the fighting created a horrific refugee crisis that now threatens to destabilize the whole of Europe. Sensing a historic geopolitical opportunity, Moscow and Tehran simply stepped in and outmaneuvered Washington. Now, the US basically has to decide whether it wants to go to war with Russia, because paradropping ammo into the middle of the desert isn’t going to be a viable strategy.
Meanwhile, the US faces another superpower confrontation in the South China Sea.
When Beijing began its land reclamation efforts in the Spratlys, we’re reasonably sure the Pentagon didn’t anticipate the extent to which the effort would quickly become a giant headache for Washington.
As a reminder, it’s not so much the dredging that has Washington’s regional allies in the South Pacific upset. Island building has been done before in the area. Rather, it’s the scope of the project that has everyone unnerved as Beijing has so far constructed over 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory atop which China has built everything from cement factories, to greenhouses, to runways.
Whether or not the US really cares about this is debatable although these shipping lanes are indeed critical for world trade. But with The Philippines and others crying foul, Washington is left with little choice but to put on a brave face lest the world should get the idea that China can just redraw maritime boundaries at will and establish a Sino-Monroe Doctrine in the process.
So finally, the US decided that it would sail some warships by the islands just to see if it can do so without getting shot at.
No, really. That’s the whole plan. “Let’s see how far we can push them.”
This is of course orchestrated under the guise of a freedom of navigation operation which, in a way, makes little sense because China has never threatened global trade. Then again, it’s fairly obvious that Beijing has some military role for the new islands in mind.
In any event, China hit back on Thursday, saying the PLA would “stand up and use force” if necessary should the US make a “mistake” with the whole warship plan.
So in short, Washington is now in a staring contest with both Moscow and Beijing and both Russia and China seem to have gotten the idea that the US has lost its resolve lately and will probably blink first in both standoffs.
It’s with all of that in mind that we bring you the following rather amusing op-ed from Beijing out Saturday on Xinhua, presented below with no further comment:
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Via Xinhua
The United States' provocative attempts to infringe on China's South China Sea sovereignty are sabotaging regional peace and stability and militarizing the waters.
The U.S. Navy is reportedly preparing to conduct "freedom of navigation" operations, sending warships within 12 nautical miles of Chinese islands in the South China Sea. The U.S. operations may take place within days, according to reports.
Last month, in his response to China's claim of sovereignty over the South China Sea, U.S. Secretary of Defense Ash Carter said the United States "will fly, sail and operate wherever the international law allows, as we do around the world."
White House Spokesman Josh Earnest said on Oct. 8 that U.S. warships patrolling close to artificial islands built by China in the South China Sea "should not provoke significant reaction from the Chinese."
Let us not forget that in October 1962, when the Soviet Union was building missile sites in Cuba -- not even on U.S. soil -- U.S. President Kennedy made it clear in a televised speech that the United States would not "tolerate the existence of the missile sites currently in place."
What on earth makes the United States think China should and will tolerate it when U.S. surface ships trespass on Chinese territory in the South China Sea?
China will never tolerate any military provocation or infringement on sovereignty from the United States or any other country, just as the United States refused to 53 years ago.
China's stand on the South China Sea disputes is firm and clear. China's sovereignty and claims of rights over Nansha Islands and their adjacent waters in the South China Sea have been formed over the long course of history and upheld by successive Chinese governments, and have adequate and solid historical and legal basis.
Just as Article 15 of the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea stipulates, delimiting the territorial seas of China and other countries in the South China Sea shall be in accordance with China's "historic title" to the region.
China has always been, in a constructive and effective manner, a firm upholder of the freedom of navigation as well as peace and stability in the South China Sea. And China has vowed to continue to do so in the future.
China's construction of civilian and public facilities on the Nansha Islands and reefs, which fall within the scope of China's sovereignty, serves not only China but also coastal nations in the South China Sea.
For instance, two lighthouses recently built on reefs in the region have helped guide passing vessels from around the world and significantly improved navigation safety.
Contrary to U.S. claims, it will be the United States, as an outsider, that further provokes tensions in the South China Sea by sending soldiers and warships to Chinese territory in the name of "freedom of navigation."
This is not the first move by the United States to undermine the regional peace and stability that China has worked so hard for.
Over the past several years, the United States has held frequent large-scale drills with its allies in the South China Sea, flexing their military muscles.
According to the website of the U.S. Department of Defense, the country has deployed thousands of civilian and military officials, as well as a huge number of weapons, to the Pacific region.
To destabilize the region and contain China, the United States has deliberately involved non-party nations, such as Japan, in the South China Sea issue and stirred disputes between China and other parties, including the Philippines.
By no means will China let the provocateurs make waves in waters that should be characterized by peace, friendship and cooperation.
Last year, the bilateral trade volume between China and members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) exceeded 480 billion U.S. dollars.
Concerned nations have no alternative but to jointly deal with disputes in the South China Sea that pose a threat to the development and prosperity of parties in the region.
On Sept. 18, in response to remarks made by the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific on patrolling the South China Sea, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said China, like the United States, upholds freedom of navigation in the waters.
However, the spokesman stressed, China opposes any country's challenge, in the name of freedom of navigation, to China's sovereignty and security in the South China Sea.
During a visit to Europe in March 2014, Chinese president Xi Jinping stressed that his country will "never stir up any trouble, but will resolutely safeguard its legitimate rights" when it comes to sovereignty and territorial integrity.
Even though enhancing mutual trust and managing disputes through high-level visits and talks still remains the first option for China, the country will, without any doubt, adopt countermeasures against the United States if it doesn't stop military provocations that infringe upon China.
People with vision in Washington should and must see clearly China's determination in safeguarding national sovereignty and regional security.
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They'll do nothing. Next.
The Harvard grad needs a diversion the last year of his presidency. Seems the bull shit from the BLS isn’t cutting it anymore.
Affirmative action will work comrades even if we have to kill 100 million people to make it so.
Pathetic dumb assed 4th graders in charge of banking and government.
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
I hear that the largest Silverback Gorilla’s penis is 1-inch long. ;-)
Looney
...Amercan Vets declaring "No more War"....soon to be followed by current USSA Armed and Navy forces.
> They'll do nothing. Next.
If I were in the position of the Chinese, I would deploy a fleet of fishing vessels - pair trawlers and purse seiners spread across the projected path.
Then we would find out whether or not the US wishes to run its warships over a bunch of trawl nets.
Oh what a tangle net we weave when first we practice to deceive. (apologies to Bill Shakesp)
As if the US is some moral authority on land rights... the nation that was founded on stolen land from natives.
Those with the power get the land, and the power projection of uncle satan and his pentagram is questionable at best.
Hai Ang Xi Teh !!!
May be something's brewing ?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/india-us-japan-hold-naval-exercises-chinas-gaze-34541002
You can bet that the U.S. is waiting to pre-position 5 or 6 nuclear subs in the area before running the fleet by the islands.
The US / UK, NATO financial system is in collapse.
Start a war, blame the collapse on the Chinese and not the fraudulent fiat money system and those who control the Federal Reserve, Bank of England and other central banks.
The USA hopefully carries full collision coverage on those ships. I fully expect them to be pretty dented up by chinese ships pulling up besides them and ramming them.
Stupidity and hubris are synonymous. The U.S. has plenty of both.
In such scenarios, I always play the reversal game...
How would our government and the yahoos that support it feel if the Red Chinese were patrolling off the coasts of San Diego or Miami?
Apparenty Chinese warships came within the 12 mile limit of Alaska when Obama visted:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/09/04/chinese-warships-spotted-off-alaska-reportedly-in-us-waters.html
FWIW those Chinese vessels were transitting US waters, as is permissable under US law.
Analogous to transitting Massachusetts with an Uzi locked in a gun case.
The fake East vs. West dialectic is quickly heating up.
I expect that China may be so offended that it sends some troops to Syria just to make the point. If Kissinger tells Jinping it's alright of course....
The globailsts are marching us towards WWIII for two reasons.
1. Depopulate the world to 500 million. See the globalist Georgia Giudestone monument.
2. Forcee us all into a Scientific Dictatorship World Government run by the Elite.
The plan is to have the US act so badly that it will look good when they are hit with a decapitating nuclear first strike on their military. I'm trying to save as many as I can so please don't dismiss this and prepare accordingly.
Here's more reading about it if you're interested:
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
http://worldparliament-gov.org/constitution/the-earth-constitution/
The chief incalculable in war is the human will.
So it this a metaphor of what this Joel Skousen is saying? The Military Industrial Complex does NOT pledge an allegiance to the USA but to the country that will be the reserve currency? Like how they destroyed Britain to then prop up USA, So Central Bankers, Ratheon, Northrop Grumman, Boening, Lockheed Martin, Coke, Dupont, Highest ranking military personal etc... (the list goes on) all pledge their allegiance to profits... who ever has the strongest/biggest money printing press.
China will do what it's told. Or we'll stop buying her products. China needs us more than we need them.
But if you're trying to depopulate the world, wouldn't you hit the countries with the largest populations? i.e China and India.
The Chinese warships were near Alaska, because there is HAARP installation.
At exactly this time Obama visited Alaska.
At exactly this time Ministry of Defence warned about military activites possibly related to electronic/elecromagnetic weapons.
https://www.nbaa.org/ops/airspace/regional/20150901-tcas-adsb-unreliable...
And at exactly this time THIS happened:
http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/mimic-tpw/global2/anim/20150831T00...
Notice what happens in area of South China Sea.
New Zealand is magnetic conjugate point of Alaska.
There is also HAARP instalation near Canary Islands.
The Chinese vessels went to Alaska after the incident happened.
Now connect the dots.
What was I supposed to see in the second link? I'm gonna have to get my glasses, because I apparently
cannot see the dots. What was the "incident"?
This is a GIF animation that shows:
"The Morphed Integrated Microwave Imagery at CIMSS (MIMIC) product provides a radar-like visualization of the evolution of TC structure using advanced image morphing algorithms. The final product is a synthetically-derived animation at 15 minute intervals between two authentic passive microwave satellite images. The morphing routines utilize an advection/rotation scheme based on the current reported TC wind speed estimates. "
The GIF file is quite big so you need to wait a bit until the entire file is loaded.
Otherwise you will not see the entire animation (it's looped so you can observe "the incident" time after time).
The incident was also analysed here, but I think better conclusions are actually in the comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nzBvi-J3L4
I guess I was looking in the South China Sea vicinity. The video was helpful. What are the theories on the wave forms
origin; is it natural phenomanon, and if not what is it's purpose?
Oh, you mean how would you feel if you were the Phillipines and China, 550 miles away at the closest to the Spratlys, started building islands (from water 70 feet deep) right off your coast and claiming them as territorial China. Good point. The Phillipines would probably be asking WTF and be pretty damned worried. You are so thoughtful.
not the same since China is the regional hegemon there and we are the regional hegemon here. China is not building islands off our coast. China is not backing down, so if the US navy goes there, there will be a confronation with Chinese ships,maybe only collisions, but even that will send a signal that China is serious about defending their islands and the US ships will limp back to the states needing hundreds of millions of dollars of repairs. Now if the US fires on the Chinese, the Chinese wiill fire back with missiles and possibly WWIII will be on. Is that what you want?
This is really about the SDR; the ZioNazis will accept the yuan for the SDR only if China backs down here. IF they don't accept the yuan, then the Currency wars commence. China will supply Yemen rebels with weapons via IRan,giving Iran plausable deniability and a two front war in the ME will be on. China sees north Africa as it's natural trading partner and Yemen is strategically vital for them.
Now if the US fires on the Chinese, the Chinese wiill fire back with missiles and possibly WWIII will be on. Is that what you want?
I am sure that genius of American global polcy, Susan Rice, has got it covered.
Not stop bothering me, i have got to get back to digging my bomb shelter.
Good old Sue. I fogot about her. More affirmative action inaction.
The Middle East powder keg is set up. More than enough participants and especially weapons present there to touch off the war they want. Mission really accomplished. Just wait a bit and it will explode.
Now create the second conflict in the South China Sea. You can't start a world war without bringing China into it.
All planned. Getting close to the execution phase now.
The problem with the statement: "they are not that insane" is that in fact, THEY ARE! This is what they want.
A major population reduction followed by a period of chaos and monetary re-set IS THE PLAN. Has been all along.
When thought of in these terms you see how the current actions of the Central Banks make sense. Just temporary while the oligarchs secure the places they ride the war out in.
Now I would guess that this part of the plan is taking longer than anticipated because the oligarchs must now adhere to a time frame if they don't want to be incinerated like the rest of us. For an oligarch, used to doing whatever they like whenever they like, for as long as they feel like it, a time schedule of any type is going to be a problem.
This has nothing to do with currency wars, this is all about a country declaring that a large stretch of ocean is its territory.
If we accept this then we cede them exclusive rights to any economic benefit from that ocean, that means mineral and fishing rights, it also means that they have the right to stop vessels who want to sail through that patch of ocean, which means they control the trade as they can then legally stop and search and decide whether someone has the "right paperwork" to proceed onwards.
In short its a ridiculous power grab from the Chinese, just because for once the US is in the right some people here seem to have a problem supporting them, or seeing the world where countries like Russia and the US are neither absolutely good nor absolutely evil.
To me the US is damn right in this instance and we all benefit from them making a point of underlining the fact that this stretch of ocean is international territory by calling China's bluff. If China is prepared to go to war over issues like this then I would prefer the war started today while they are weak then in 30-40 years time when they have had a long time to prepare. My guess is nothing will happen, the US will sail through and everyone will see the Chinese islands for what they are, sandhills in the middle of a big ocean that will be rather expensive government projects to maintain in the years to come, and without securing the aim of owning that stetch of ocean they will have no useful purpose.
well, have to agree with you Eddie...we American's have, do, and will continue to benefit from the US declaring the minerals of the world....our minerals. And you are also correct about the Chinese interested in preserving their own power. But, don't you think this is an Asian issue way way way way way before it's an American issue? Where is Vietnam? Where is Indonesia and Malaysia on this issue? It's one thing for us to back the interests of smaller countries...that at least looks Noble, but that's not what this looks like.
That's insane. Why would you risk WWIII, the deaths of you and your family, over some rocks in the South China sea? Doesn't the US control the Gulf of Mexico? The US controls more Ocean than any country on earth. This is between the Japs and the Chinese and the Japs own the Chinese big time for killing 30 million of them when they invaded in the 1930's. REmember?
Because it is like a chess game and these are just the opening moves with pawns. People like you see only one piece and one move.
No-one "owes" anyone anything on this shithole of a planet. You get what you can grab, and keep what you can defend. That's it.
He said "owns".
By that logic, if the US declared a large stretch of ocean their sovereign territory, then Russia, us (Europeans) and everyone else should just accept it because they have nuclear weapons too.
I don't want to live in a world where we are all slaves to the whims of Chinese policy any more then I want to be in a world where we have to slavishly follow whatever insanities come out of the oval office. The US doesn't control that ocean, it only has claimed the ocean within agreed territorial limits, there is a big difference between the freedom to sail where you please, and declaring the area part of your territory.
But wha, wha, what about the zio-nazis. Just kidding. I agree 100%. China is looking all too much like the Japanese circa 1930's. Only the complete idiots in charge of the US are the LAST ones to stand up to anyone for anything. People may want to make sure their EMP insurance premiums are up to date.
Oops..
from maxwellsdemon
This is really about the SDR; the ZioNazis will accept the yuan for the SDR only if China backs down here. IF they don't accept the yuan, then the Currency wars commence. China will supply Yemen rebels with weapons via IRan,giving Iran plausable deniability and a two front war in the ME will be on. China sees north Africa as it's natural trading partner and Yemen is strategically vital for them.
Very good. SDR's are definately part of the mix. Also, Chinese String of Pearls strategy and overland pipeline via Pakistan needs to be factored in. String of Pearls is the placement of military outposts on transit routes for goods and oil shipping. Overland pipeline is being negotiated as backup for maritime shipment of oil. Yet another is that China is a land power, and the islands can be "army" hopped into Japan.
Even better, how would the US gov feel if the Red Chinese were patrolling off the coasts of Hawaii or Puerto Rico?
Or launching missile's right off the California coast?
i wanted to add to this by saying "or droning . . ." but there really is no parallel. israel?? china helping the palestinians with drones?? could you imagine? talk about your ww3.
Can't Obozo also start a war or something with Argentina or Venezuela and perhaps...Sweden so we could then truly cover the globe with this stupidity.
Shipping lanes? Whaaat? I'm amazed that Tyler wrote the whole article without mentioning OIL.
This is a dispute between a few competing OIL mafias, with the two biggest from China and the U.S. ones. Smaller gangs are on the periphery looking for crumbs. This situation is extremely dangerous because:
1) The U.S. conveniently ignores its own oil mafias and their oligarchs influencing the U.S. government and foreign policy.
2) China ignores the existance of Chinese oil mafias and their oligarchs influencing the Chinese government and foreign policy.
3) Neither one can find any advantage in the current state of diplomacy (everyone has been arguing about the Spratlies since forever).
So both mafias prod their respective governments to engage in military clownfuckery. This is a diplomatic matter that overpaid blowhards are suppose to hammer out on their own. Who gives a damn if some oil oligarch is all butt-hurt because things are moving too slow and they can't figure out an easy way to cheat. Fuck them. But (unfortunately for the U.S.) the oil oligarchs in the Chinese side are easily the most powerful mafia in all of China. Manufacturing and shipping interests in China are nowhere near that league.
The U.S. oil interests could - in the past - throw the U.S. military at oil adversaries of smaller, weak nations and prevail. Not anymore - they are repeatedly getting the crap beat out of them by the Russian oil mafia. And now they want to take on the Chinese oil mafia? Why don't we just drone the heads of each respective oil mafia and save the millions of little people's lives that will be sacrificed instead?
Any rational, moral U.S. government leader would tell the U.S. oil mafia, "Back the fuck off - you're not going to win this one, either. We're tired of fighting your wars." But there are no rational, moral leaders in the U.S. government. We can expect U.S. soldier's blood to flow in ANOTHER unwinnable oil mafia gang war that has nothing to do with the U.S. Constitution or 'protecting' U.S. citizens.
The USSA mafia government has zero claim to the Spratlies. The fight is between China, Vietnam, and The Philippines.
Progressive limits coverage of acts of war or of terrorism.
Looks like we're fucked.
Be fun seeing what they can do against anti ship missiles fired from the islands and the mainland.
About as much use as a fart in a spacesuit in that situation.
That is a kill zone, and not for the USN.If the Chinese have already built cement factories
and hydroponic gardens on those atolls,that would be after everything required to defend them
was completed..
While nuking the islands directly would be crossing a red line, I wonder what a very large explosion on a geological fault line 40-50 miles away would do to them, best-o-luck living on a 1m above sea level island when there is a 9 meter wave coming at you.
In fact I wonder what will happen when the next tropical storm hits them, I'm sure there is a good reason they were mostly below sea level before.
I wonder what a Chinese nuke 50 miles off the US coast would do to the LA region. This isn't the 1950's anymore.
Oh, shit...I'll be wanking of to this idea for a week. There's not much going on in LA besides porn and democrats. [A shitload of democrats!!] Taking out LA would be the equivalent of my NPR interview!
The Chinese have sub launched missiles and a wide range of anti ship missile types. Also the same type as the Russians launched from the Caspian sea. You don't need a $5Billion destroyer to kill another destroyer. A million dollar high speed missile will do the job.
The Chinese have nearly 70 subs so I guess they can also populate the local area as well.
The waters there are clear and not that deep.
"Hai Ang Xi Teh !!!"
Gesundheit
Can't forget it's a nation built on the back of slaves.
That is exactly what we have become.
True Dat. Begs to ask WHo is/was really lazy from the start
Dear GayAss Fucking.....
There is no such thing as a Native American.
Bro. Brah. Dude. You are totally rippin it. Makes aman proud.
Now would be a good time to bring up the possibility that the mule lot hoe hershey highway will have created enough kaos by nov. 2016 to declare a state of emergensee and proclaim hisself massa fo life.
it is well within the realm of possibilities, imho.
Yo.
Why not take your homosexual pillow talk to a gay chatroom?
Dude get over the whole we took the Indians land shit. Most modern countries today took some land from someone. Wah wah wah
"Dude get over the whole we took the Indians land shit. Most modern countries today took some land from someone. Wah wah wah"
No. The majority of the modern countries stem from people who mostly settled in empty territories.
Back in the days of Christ's birth, there were only three hundred million people worldwide. That's a heck of a lot of empty space.
But, much later, when the European settlers came to the Americas, the place was densely populated. As opposed to the self-serving US narrative, there were native tribes absolutely everywhere.
http://www.aaanativearts.com/North_American_Indians_Map.jpg
The USA has stolen land from its rightful owners alright.
"The USA has stolen land from its rightful owners alright."
Not to get in the middle of a good pissing match, but I thought their philosophy was no one owned the land?
"One does not sell the land people walk on." --Crazy Horse
"We do not own the freshness of the air or the sparkle of the water. How can you buy them from us?" -Sealth
"What is this you call property? It cannot be the earth, for the land is our mother, nourishing all her children, beasts, birds, fish and all men. The woods, the streams, everything on it belongs to everybody and is for the use of all. How can one man say it belongs only to him?" -Massasoit
Well I reckon we'll have to stop our "Wah Wah Wah" concerning all the non-Americans both
legal and illegal coming over the borders, if we use your rationale.
Dude get over the whole we took the Indians land shit. Most modern countries today took some land from someone. Wah wah wah"
Spot on - and Western countries today are being overrun by "refugees" and "immigrants" - read barbarians.
We're on the receiving end now.
The one thing that Westerners must learn to embrace is that we are on our own. Our governments are treasonous - every single one. No help from that quarter.
We are going to have to weather this storm ourselves. Act accordingly.
The one thing that Westerners must learn to embrace is that we are on our own.
False East/West Paradigm And The End Of Freedom http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-16/guest-post-false-eastwest-parad...Regarding the Native American's, there is much to admire of their system. Our government was influenced at the very beginning by the Iriquois confederation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IroquoisAnd Massasoits people are friends of mine too and correct.
That's why we must come full circle and adopt a modern version of the old ways.
.http://www.wealthandwant.com/docs/Batt_GEE.html
So, you'd give no "wah, wah" if the Chicoms came over here and ran the place for you? Doubtful. I'm sure they'd treat you as well as the Euros treated their 'conquered'. You'll be there with open arms, praising a 'might-makes-right' world I'm sure...
And who exactly was the land stolen from?
All land is eternally up for grabs - to those willing to use force. It's the way of the world.
The way you've been trained to see it anyway.
Would it have been better if we had developed weapons instead of sustainable agriculture, representative democracy, and half of what the world now eats?
Should've welcomed the Euros with open fire instead of open arms right? Is that the world you live in? You can keep it.
Explain what land wasn't stolen from, "natives". Your knowledge of history is a mile wide and an inch deep, dumb ass! Where the fuck do you live? If you knew anything, but lefty slogans you'd understand that all land was, "stolen", from the previous occupiers who stole it from the previous occupiers and so on, and so on. . . . . . .
Do these dumbass Chinese really think Obama won't welcome a war with them?
Obama is a clueless man, interested only in his hanging on in office for the next few months. Obama will back down because there is no gain for Obama. IF he goes ahead with this, then he really is not only clueless but reckless.
This decision goes over Obama's head. He will do what he is told.
Heh. I believe he'd start a war in an attempt to cancel elections due to "national emergency" so he can stay in office to finish his destruction of the US.
I'm expecting a frigate, battleship or air craft carrier to be sunk.
We'll teeter on a new war with China-Russia, the Obama will annouce it was a misunderstanding. China/Russia will pay each family of the deceased the then current value of $200,000, after it filters through the federal government, the then current value to each family will be $1,000.
Get ready to soldier up your sons and now daughters USSA.
It looks like sometime in the next 12-18 months, due to all these obviously planned mis-adventures by your Zio-overlords, your children should once again be sacrificed to Moloch.
Some incident or the other will force the hand of the sitting P-resident to declare conscription, no more volunteers.
And all these violence addled millenials with their war based video game training, will be sent to the various and obviously too many fronts to be slaughtered.
And the "Homeland" will be weakened enough to be taken over by who, god only knows.
To watch this undfold and be able to do NOTHING about it tells of how not to judge previous populations in England, Germany, Russia and the USA, who obviously wanted only to live in peace, to be fooled, propagandized and brow-beaten to join "wars" based out of the sickness that is the talmudic, mammon mad mindset that has beset the world, especially emboldened by their victory of having the world GIVE them someone elses land to call and occupy as their own.
Heck, that low-life sell-out Gandhi did it to India, sending troops to HELP OUR COLONISERS in both WWI and II, to die for a cause they had no role in or support of. The Sikhs and gurkhas sufferred especially...but anyways...
Not good times ahead all around, but especially not for the Anglo-saxon gentiles.
Very sad...
Laying down your sons'/daughters' lives for the Bankers, Politicans and upper 1%.
What could be Nobler?
I know you're been sarcastic...but I'll provide an answer anyway to save any ambiguity.
A. telling these scum to fuck off while also sparing the lives of your children, that's what.
one person saying fuck off will end up in guantanamo, but millions saying it together should make a difference
Correct.
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No, millions turning on their psychopathic bankster masters and killing them all, men, women and their children, down to the very last one would make a difference.
Nothing else will.
Fixed it fo ya.
As long as there is an app. to do basic training all will be well.
Getting there on time may be more problematic.
Unfit for duty. They all have I-phone neck syndrome.
"Heck, that low-life sell-out Gandhi did it to India, sending troops to HELP OUR COLONISERS in both WWI and II, to die for a cause they had no role in or support of."
What are you talking about? Gandhi wasn't in a position to send anyone anywhere until 1920. Granted he was involved in recruitment, but that's not the same as sending someone to war against their will.
As for WWII - I have no idea what you're referring to. How do you equate Gandhi leading the Quit India movement, and then been arrested and imprisoned, with him sending troops to support the British?
Do you live in a parallel universe, or are you one of those Indians still suffering from caste-burn?
Mr eBear, you do not know real history it seems.
As for your silly caste-burn comment, if only you knew :-)
Here is an authoratative de-construction of the Gandhi myth...
http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.in/2012/09/mahatma-gandhi-re-writing-india...
"Heck, that low-life sell-out Gandhi did it to India, sending troops to HELP OUR COLONISERS in both WWI and II, to die for a cause they had no role in or support of."
What are you talking about? Gandhi wasn't in a position to send anyone anywhere until 1920. Granted he was involved in recruitment, but that's not the same as sending someone to war against their will.
As for WWII - I have no idea what you're referring to. How do you equate Gandhi leading the Quit India movement, and then been arrested and imprisoned, with him sending troops to support the British?
Do you live in a parallel universe, or are you one of those Indians still suffering from caste-burn?
ORI:
+1000 on Gandhi selling out India, here in the US, the sheeple consider him a saint.
Kind of like Martin Luther King here in India RP. Same brain-washed, false history fed sheep will bleat furiously in the defence of these deep state created sell-outs...
Yep, lefty brain dead communists worship that Dalai Lama cunt as well.
The stupid - it's so strong it hurts.
Great idea!
My brother was on a long-haul coast guard buoy ship during Viet Nam. Once they were servicing a Nomad Buoy way out in the Atlantic. They came accross a HUGE fishing net and the skipper ordered it cut so they could get through (he was a WW2 vet).
The next morning, out of the mist, came a HUGE Soviet fishing factory ship, bearing down on the buoy tender at flank speed.
The Russian Captain cussed out the Coast Guard Captain in English. Then, the women on the ship started flashing their tits at the Coasties. The skipper apologized and offered to trade with the Russians. The Russians got US smokes and the Coasties got some Russian stuff.
Then they parted.
My brother told me the fishing factory ship could have sunk them with no problem.
Sometimes diplomacy at sea requires an apology and Marlboros.
***
Another cool story:
Apparently, off the Keys, we have these deserted secret islands stashed full of WW2-era arms and ammo. Once they were sent to pick up cases of stuff from one of these secret depots (1970s). One of the crates broke open and piles of bayonets fell out. The chief ordered them to re-pack the box, but they each got a bayonet, which he has mounted on his wall to this day.
The US Military is like that big-ass duck, Baby Huey, knocking over shit and wondering what went wrong
But... but... he is a Nobel Peace laureate. He has already destroted the US economy and practically the entire middle-class; I can't believe he will want to go down as the president that also destroyed the 'Exceptional' myth - that he had himself proposed.
No date is set - and it won't be; they will just stay quiet for a while and hope everyone forgets they ever said they would go.
Barry has his affirmative action, 'Don't ask don't tell' army run by corrupt banker/MIC greedy hawgs ...
... and ...
... China has all those Babes in uniform.
Sorry, but I'll have to go with the Babes in uniform
http://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/05_16.jpg?w=580&h=348
Can I come too?
Port of call: Spratley Islands.
Limited Liberty....
All Hands Topside for Pass In Review......12:00 hours
people misunderstand the so-called plan
basically this effort has been about separating mister assad from missus assad
that way you don't have to blur him out of the photos you take of her
http://cdn.everyjoe.com/wp-content/gallery/asma-al-assad/asma-al-assad-h...
hugs,
the davos club of asma admirers
She is an American? Arabs love Western women.
She's a Brit, born in London
And WE stand idly by and let it happen...
A MASSIVE (several ten's of millions, covering literally several states in and around DC) march on Washington is LONG OVERDUE.
We CAN stop a lot of this shit if we will just exert OUR power.
If we haven't completely gone Mad Max by spring 2016, I can't think of a better time, or better circumstances to get up there, and clean that menacing shithole up like it's NEVER been cleaned up before.
We don't take action now...
...then WHEN?
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quote "Pathetic dumb assed 4th graders in charge of banking and government"
They have been BRED or if you like INDOCTRINATED for the purpose .
Last year?
You are smoking a shade too much crack if you think he is going to leave office (willingly).
US doing nothing?
US track record is the opposite of your post.
Is it Plan-B?
Leverage!
You must be a Journalism major...There are two parties involved...WHO is THEY?
CHINA, there I mashed the keys extra slow for you...
You are clearly not paid by the word.
I suggest the L Ron Hubbard school of wordsmithing.
What's L Robba Hubba got to do with it? He could crank out a lot of words. Supposedly wrote Slaves Of Sleep in a day.l
That's why we should avoid the Spratleys atoll cost.
(knuck,knuck,knuck)
(hey Moe)
Nothing to worry about, I am sure our intelligence agencies have a complete understanding of the thinking of all relevant Chinese, as they so often have displayed in history. Or at least, a complete understanding and control of the decision makers here.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/warning-ideas-are-dangerous/
If you want to fix this political situation here at home, you should begin by screwing them in the revenue departments :
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/16/information-resistance/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/07/09/starve-the-beast-scaling-s...
HILARIOUS! LMAO
MORE LIBERTARIAN PARANOID BULLSHIT! LOL
MORON! THE ISLANDS ARE HUNDRED OF MILES AWAY
CHINA IS CREATING TERRITORIAL WATERS OUT OF THIN AIR
CUBAN WAS 90 MILES
CUBA HAD NUKES AIMED AT EVERY CITY ON EASTCOAST
LOVE ZERO FOR ITS GEO-POLITICAL COMEDY ROUTINES!
"CHINA IS CREATING TERRITORIAL WATERS OUT OF THIN AIR"
Exactly right Mr. Shouty Pants.
China's territorial claims are absurd on the face of it.
Look at the map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Schina_sea_88.png
This is one of those rare times when I actually agree with US actions. Those are international waters, and any ship correctly displaying it's national flag has a right to sail through them unimpeded.
Quick question, when did the US become the official "World Police"? I know that historically the US has behaved as the masters of the universe, yet, the US military is NOT the world police. If the US were to escort US flaged commercial vessels thru the area, I could maybe see it, but an outright confrontation is the name of "international law"? Madness!!!!
If the Philippines have a problem with China building what are clearly military facilities in the Spratley Islans, they can damn well go to the UN and present their case. If the UN decides this is an illegal buildup, they are free to recommend action from their members. You see, when you are claiming a violation of "international law" your only recourse is the international body who set up that law.
Lets say that you suspect your neighbor of stealing your car. You read the law and determine that the penalty is 5 years in the penitentiary. Are you free to kidnap your neighbor and lock him in your basement for five years? Not under the current system you are not. If Obama, or the neo-cons (how I hate that word, they are war mongering psychopaths) have an issue with China's actions, take the issue to the UN (unless its a matter of defending from aggression).
Quick question, when did the US become the official "World Police"?
When did I say they were? I said, ANY ship, not any US ship.
I don't need China's permission to sail in international waters. If they try to stop me, THEN I'll take it up with the UN.
As for your car analogy, if my next door neighbor blocks the street in front of our house with a honking big RV or tractor trailer, I just might put it in 4WD and take an alternate route across his front lawn.
diego garcia
Your initial statement was that you agreed with the US actions. That implies that you agree with the US forcefully enforcing free travel thru international waters. you did not say I agree with Canada's position or UN's position, you said US.
And yes, this needs to be taken to the UN. To make it clear, I hate the UN and find them useless but, if you are going to claim international law, you need to use the international body, not just take it upon yourself to begin hostilities in the name of "international law".
...and we're back to the American obsession with law. When it comes to international affairs law has no place. Even "International Law" is just a series of signed agreements that can be broached at a moment's notice.
You don't arrest governements for breaches of Internatinal Law.
You wage war on governments when your interests compell you to do so.
This legalese crap is for amateurs. The real world is ruled by agreements, bribes & force.
Exactly. China is going full retard here.
I am going to have a chat with Neptune and see if he cannot whip up a huge hurricane there. One of those 1 in the thousand years ones and wash these problems away.
China certainly has the weaponry to challenge this Amerikan cock waving. Just one of their multi-warhead hypersonic kenetic weapons would completely destroy one of your Carrier groups. Most military strategists agree that, modern anti-ship missiles taken into consideration, Aircraft carriers are now an obsolete floating graveyard for use only against small nations. It's all well and good to park one of those giant targets just off the coast of a small country and bully it into submission, it's a whole other kettle of fish when it comes to pushing around Russia and China. Amerika, and for that matter it's yapping little pet poodle Australia would be biting off far more than they could chew. What's amusing is you dumb fuckers on here think it's Ameristralias naval right to go sailing where it wants. History serves to suggest that China, knowing full well previous incursions to its sovereignty have nearly always arrived through the South China Seas, are more than willing to tell you guys to Fuck right Off. Personally I'll be grabbing the popcorn in anticipation of headlines describing high velocity lumps of Titaniun/Tungsten tear through your deck plates and that China have just created a few more artificial reefs.
Chinese weapons have been battle tested when? Talk about a recipe for success.
2007
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chine...
China has no substantially recognized claim to the territory it is seeking to annex in the South China Sea. Apparently nobody really does. It is a fucked up situation, even for one involving "international law", which is mainly honored by the breach thereof.
At any rate, China is the provacateur here, not the USA, which will keep its carrier group in what usually counts as international waters, and China will do nothing other than flaps its lips about it. China's sovereignty is not involved, just its universally unrecognized claim to ownership of the South China Sea.
Spoken just like your namesake.
Where is he these days, anyway?
I would put the USA in Britain's timeline at about 1939. Get ready for a lot changes to American life.
Umm, I'd suggest Nazi Germany 1939, not Britain.
Some seem to be missing the point as to who is
being more aggressive and needlessly provocative in this case.
The Chinese have an especial distate for naval belligerence given
their history of subjugation to Western attacks and conquest.
Gunboat diplomacy is no substitute for real diplomacy,
no matter what our Nobel Prize winner and his coterie of warmongers believe.
The US fleet will make a large barrier reef for no reason at all.
Who cares, after all, didn't he grant immunity from prosecution to the Banksters and Monsanto, and overthrow the goverments of Honduras and the Ukraine?
What more do we need?
Seriously though, this is a sound reason for war with China:
http://www.ishlt.org/ContentDocuments/2015FebLinks_Spotlight.html
Perhaps Israel can be the major agressor this time?
I would be very careful-----use only small craft within 12 mile zone since China may have harvested underwater remote or magnetic proximity mines that could sink big expensive ships. Hitler's big mistake was opening up a second front in Russia. History does repeat with bloated general staff whether they are in Berlin or Washongton
And here is why:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/SECRS/2008/March/20080303/ICP-2008108/ICP-...
Every now and then somebody gets shot at the crap game, but if you threaten the crap game, then the boys at Dollar, Inc close ranks.
China cannot afford to attack world trade.
The Chinese will, in fact, destroy any foreign military vessels that enter, what they consider to be their sovereign waters, without their permission. You can count on that! Ever heard of loss of face?
Are U.S. Ships enroute now?
The FED is prob behingd the operation, ...plan to get a few ships sunk, force congress to build lots of new carriers, employment boom, run debt up, print mo money, drag dollar to bottom of s china sea. USS Old Yellen carrier keel to be laid soon. all in a days work at the FED.
Not atoll.
( I know ! )
We hear they are to pump up conflict panic - so the countries of the region think TPP is a good idea and sign up before the year is out, That's the plan (me thinks), let's hope it falls flat on its face.
China already has the Russian made Moskit aka Sunburn missile. A carrier battle group is quite a large, target rich environment
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-N-22
And then what? China is no match for NATO with Russia or without.
They will take it like the bitch they are.
LOL. Is the US Navy going to sail around the man-made structures built by the Philipinos and Viets in the Spratlys too on their tour?
Got any links?
China’s rapid expansion of artificial islands in the South China Sea has alarmed its neighbors and prompted the U.S. to consider using military planes and ships to contest Beijing’s territorial claims. But the building of facilities on rocks or low-lying reefs to strengthen claims to them isn’t a new tactic in East Asia. Japan also has some examples of its own.
Most prominent is Okinotori Island, an uninhibited coral reef more than 1,000 miles south of Tokyo. Japan calls the partially submerged reef its southernmost island. That gives the nation a vast exclusive economic zone around it, where Japanese ships can fish and look for resources. China has contested that claim, calling it a “rock.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2015/05/14/japans-attempts-at-artific...
The other player is Vietnam
Images show Vietnam South China Sea reclamation, China defends ownNewly released images show Vietnam has carried out significant land reclamation at two sites in the disputed South China Sea, though the scale and pace is dwarfed by that of China, a U.S. research institute said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/08/us-southchinasea-vietnam-idUSK...
This is extremely informative. Thanks.
Google is ur friend dumbass. Last time I looked the Viets and Philipinos have alrerady got runways on some of the reefs/islands in the Spratlys. China is playing catchup.
Winnie, how many carriers does NATO have? And is NATO going to operate in WestPac?
- Ned
The NATO soldiers who are not in Afghanistan or Iraq are managing borders and refugee camps. Sorry, understaffed, only some Brits available but Westmister wants to send them to Syria. Go figure. Maybe resources are finite?
...and by NATO you mean the US, right? Most other Western countries are winding their militaries down, and not in a little way.
Chinese "Sand Grab" ?
Remember when asswipe Obama said Assad would be gone in weeks if not days? What a fucktard. Go play hide the weenie with Reggie asshole
To be fair, he never said how MANY weeks or days...
Nobody lives forver, after all.