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With US Warships En Route To Islands, China Asks: "What On Earth Makes Them Think We Will Tolerate This?"
The US is in a tough spot militarily.
In Syria, Russia and Iran have taken advantage of the fact that the plan hatched by the West and its regional allies to destabilize the Assad regime took far too long to develop. The idea was to foment discord and provide covert support for the various armed militias fighting to overthrow the government. But the effort is entering its fifth year and Assad is still there. Not only that, there have been a series of unintended (well, at least we hope they’re unintended) consequences. First, one of the rebel groups the West and its allies supported morphed into an insane band of white basketball shoe-wearing, black flag-waving, sword-wielding desert bandits. Second, the fighting created a horrific refugee crisis that now threatens to destabilize the whole of Europe. Sensing a historic geopolitical opportunity, Moscow and Tehran simply stepped in and outmaneuvered Washington. Now, the US basically has to decide whether it wants to go to war with Russia, because paradropping ammo into the middle of the desert isn’t going to be a viable strategy.
Meanwhile, the US faces another superpower confrontation in the South China Sea.
When Beijing began its land reclamation efforts in the Spratlys, we’re reasonably sure the Pentagon didn’t anticipate the extent to which the effort would quickly become a giant headache for Washington.
As a reminder, it’s not so much the dredging that has Washington’s regional allies in the South Pacific upset. Island building has been done before in the area. Rather, it’s the scope of the project that has everyone unnerved as Beijing has so far constructed over 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory atop which China has built everything from cement factories, to greenhouses, to runways.
Whether or not the US really cares about this is debatable although these shipping lanes are indeed critical for world trade. But with The Philippines and others crying foul, Washington is left with little choice but to put on a brave face lest the world should get the idea that China can just redraw maritime boundaries at will and establish a Sino-Monroe Doctrine in the process.
So finally, the US decided that it would sail some warships by the islands just to see if it can do so without getting shot at.
No, really. That’s the whole plan. “Let’s see how far we can push them.”
This is of course orchestrated under the guise of a freedom of navigation operation which, in a way, makes little sense because China has never threatened global trade. Then again, it’s fairly obvious that Beijing has some military role for the new islands in mind.
In any event, China hit back on Thursday, saying the PLA would “stand up and use force” if necessary should the US make a “mistake” with the whole warship plan.
So in short, Washington is now in a staring contest with both Moscow and Beijing and both Russia and China seem to have gotten the idea that the US has lost its resolve lately and will probably blink first in both standoffs.
It’s with all of that in mind that we bring you the following rather amusing op-ed from Beijing out Saturday on Xinhua, presented below with no further comment:
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Via Xinhua
The United States' provocative attempts to infringe on China's South China Sea sovereignty are sabotaging regional peace and stability and militarizing the waters.
The U.S. Navy is reportedly preparing to conduct "freedom of navigation" operations, sending warships within 12 nautical miles of Chinese islands in the South China Sea. The U.S. operations may take place within days, according to reports.
Last month, in his response to China's claim of sovereignty over the South China Sea, U.S. Secretary of Defense Ash Carter said the United States "will fly, sail and operate wherever the international law allows, as we do around the world."
White House Spokesman Josh Earnest said on Oct. 8 that U.S. warships patrolling close to artificial islands built by China in the South China Sea "should not provoke significant reaction from the Chinese."
Let us not forget that in October 1962, when the Soviet Union was building missile sites in Cuba -- not even on U.S. soil -- U.S. President Kennedy made it clear in a televised speech that the United States would not "tolerate the existence of the missile sites currently in place."
What on earth makes the United States think China should and will tolerate it when U.S. surface ships trespass on Chinese territory in the South China Sea?
China will never tolerate any military provocation or infringement on sovereignty from the United States or any other country, just as the United States refused to 53 years ago.
China's stand on the South China Sea disputes is firm and clear. China's sovereignty and claims of rights over Nansha Islands and their adjacent waters in the South China Sea have been formed over the long course of history and upheld by successive Chinese governments, and have adequate and solid historical and legal basis.
Just as Article 15 of the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea stipulates, delimiting the territorial seas of China and other countries in the South China Sea shall be in accordance with China's "historic title" to the region.
China has always been, in a constructive and effective manner, a firm upholder of the freedom of navigation as well as peace and stability in the South China Sea. And China has vowed to continue to do so in the future.
China's construction of civilian and public facilities on the Nansha Islands and reefs, which fall within the scope of China's sovereignty, serves not only China but also coastal nations in the South China Sea.
For instance, two lighthouses recently built on reefs in the region have helped guide passing vessels from around the world and significantly improved navigation safety.
Contrary to U.S. claims, it will be the United States, as an outsider, that further provokes tensions in the South China Sea by sending soldiers and warships to Chinese territory in the name of "freedom of navigation."
This is not the first move by the United States to undermine the regional peace and stability that China has worked so hard for.
Over the past several years, the United States has held frequent large-scale drills with its allies in the South China Sea, flexing their military muscles.
According to the website of the U.S. Department of Defense, the country has deployed thousands of civilian and military officials, as well as a huge number of weapons, to the Pacific region.
To destabilize the region and contain China, the United States has deliberately involved non-party nations, such as Japan, in the South China Sea issue and stirred disputes between China and other parties, including the Philippines.
By no means will China let the provocateurs make waves in waters that should be characterized by peace, friendship and cooperation.
Last year, the bilateral trade volume between China and members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) exceeded 480 billion U.S. dollars.
Concerned nations have no alternative but to jointly deal with disputes in the South China Sea that pose a threat to the development and prosperity of parties in the region.
On Sept. 18, in response to remarks made by the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific on patrolling the South China Sea, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said China, like the United States, upholds freedom of navigation in the waters.
However, the spokesman stressed, China opposes any country's challenge, in the name of freedom of navigation, to China's sovereignty and security in the South China Sea.
During a visit to Europe in March 2014, Chinese president Xi Jinping stressed that his country will "never stir up any trouble, but will resolutely safeguard its legitimate rights" when it comes to sovereignty and territorial integrity.
Even though enhancing mutual trust and managing disputes through high-level visits and talks still remains the first option for China, the country will, without any doubt, adopt countermeasures against the United States if it doesn't stop military provocations that infringe upon China.
People with vision in Washington should and must see clearly China's determination in safeguarding national sovereignty and regional security.
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Werekoala? What's that? A dropbear, by night?
it is an Anglo trait to use the fuuture tense a little too loosely. The stupidest thing are the announcements during election campaigns who describe a candidate as 'the next President of the United Sates'.
I don't think China will retaliate with guns. They have other ways
Just imagine how pissy the bleaters would get is the cheap Chinese crap weren't on the shelves.
Won't happen, China needs those pissy bleaters to fill its coffers.
Sadly, they don't. Remember, currency is just digits in a computer. There are two reasons why China has been selling crap to the US. First is the industiral and technological know-how. China doesn't give a shit how many iPhones it sells in the US, China cares about the industrial base and know-how. They can now build iPhones at will and export them to India, Africa, or wherever. Second was the aquisition of US dollars in order to buy African and other strategic mineral/real estate. Dollars are meaningles, gold mines are not.
Second, please look at the cost of an all out war (non-nuclear). It would cost the Chinese trillions of dollars. Not cost effective. Much better is to dump US treasuries and announce, along with Russia, Iraq, Iran and any other economic ally, they will no longer accept dollars for their goods. What would happen if oil has to be bought in yuan or rubles? What of the US consumer's standard of living when they weaken they make it so expensive to purchase chinese products that the average US consumer has to pay double for anything excluding food ( and since food has transportation costs, ie oil, food will also skyrocket)? What will happen when the FSA can no longer afford to live from the dollars provided by the US federal nanny?
No, the Chinese do not need to go to a hot war with the US. They can destroy us at will.
"They can destroy us at will."
Our own oligarchs have done that already - don't need China for that.
@Berspankme: Yeah, like boatloads of treasuries....
;-D
Pretty nice warehouses ya got there Xi. Would be a shame if something fell out of the sky and blew it up.
A damn shame.
Is there glory in dying for the exceptional Obama?
Reggie says, "Yes he can!"
Pff, exceptional Obama. He's nothing more like my brother. A psychopath with a human-friendly mask and, indeed, an exceptional capability for lying. Yes, he's just like my brother I, luckily, never have seen anymore in the last 18 years.
"... both Russia and China seem to have gotten the idea that the US has lost its resolve lately and will probably blink first in both standoffs>"
You see what happens Larry when you vote for speeches and peace prizes. Actually its not funny at all. The greatest loss to US strategic interests is the loss of faith of her allies, especially in the Middle East. The blunder with Iran has only begun.
Kissinger said [in so many words] recently Barry's foreign policy is next to disaster for the American people. One problem is we had a war monger as secretary of state instead of a diplomat. We're back to square one where the entire world hates us again, even our former friends.
It's a sad state of affairs. If Taiwan adn SK did not feel so threatened by China and HK, I am sure they would abandon USA also.
USSA seems to be out of control; fucking around, bullying and provoking literally everyone for no apparent reason.
It's almost like some other country or group is operating it remotely and trying to run it into the ground.
"It's almost like some other country or group is operating it remotely and trying to run it into the ground."
No, it's not the joos, chunga. It's just your own "normal" brand of ole' Murikan imperialism, only running amok because of loss of measure.
Self-destruction is the corollary of destructivity. Simply put, the brain ends up turning to mush.
Kissinger said [in so many words] recently Barry's foreign policy is next to disaster for the American people
Henry Kissinger: "Obama will create a New World Order"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1r-3q9PXoM
You could be right. I really wish I had the discipline to ignore current events because it makes no sense and just pisses me off.
Besides, there really isn't a damn thing I can do about any of it.
Sure there is. You can get debt free, get wealthy and start building the institutions that will make a difference.
Not saying that's for everyone, just pointing out that disempowerment is a choice.
The 'Chosen' hijacked US foreign policy m ore than 20 years ago, along with the rise of the financial oligarchy in the US. Remind me which US 'ally' this week killed dozens of protesters in the ME? Israel has killed or wounded hundreds in the last few months in the prison for the Palestinians the Chosen created on Palestinian land.
Millions of Americans have woken up, just as Europeans did in the 1920's after the Versaille treaty, imposed by the financial oligarchy of Europe, robbed Germans of the their savings and pensions, starved millions, and nearly led to a communist takeover of the country.
This time hubris has resulted in the Chosen caught in a trap. They only control one of the 3 power blocks of the world while their ruthless grasp for world control has untied the other two power blocks, Russia and China, against them. Let the Jews sign up for the military now; the non-Jews just need to stay armed, stay united, and stay the hell out of it.
What on Earth makes the chicoms think those islands belong to them? They STOLE THEM. I think all those islands would make dandy bases for the Vietnamese and Philippine navies.
China is collapsing. This bubble is going to make Japan's bubble look like a champagne bubble. China can bluster all they want, they've got their backs to the wall and they know it.
When China goes down so will your Viets and Philipinos. All down the shitter.
GL with that.
As well as a lot of retail stores in the US...
The Aussies will recover the quickest,
(exiled criminal roots)
Never underestimate a country full of alcoholics and wombats.
Shrimp protein as a building block for brain cells is lacking something. Being shrimp-brained make your English sound, well, like "strine".
The Aussies won't notice at all. Unless someone's literally bombing our cites to rubble.
Might as well be on Mars for all the attention Aussies pay to the world.
Seems to work both ways for us - we don't get any of the booms the US does - but we don't tend to bust either. Life is just an endless monotony of average with Aussie's heads buried eternally in the sand.
Have you tried to get a $150,000 job in a mine lately? It was all the rage about 3 years ago...
Boom. Bust.
Silly Holyfield. Don't you know that when one's economy crashes, that is exactly when nations go to war?
What you forget about China is that they could probably turn on a dime and nationalize everything. They could appeal to Chinese patriotism and claim that due to the World economic conditions, it is necessary to go back to the Chinese Communist model for a couple of years until the world economy recuperates.
So China reverts to its economic model of the late 1970's early 1980s, but with a shitload of modern, state of the art factories and workers who know how to operate them, thanks to the greed of the West.
Just watch...
And then China discovers how painful a blockade gets for their nation. China locks up and does with zero imports or exports.
that map they drew is ridickurous. not that it's the usa's business to do anything about it. just sayin'. besides, if the usa maggots hadn't build china into the hideous monster it is today none of this would be happening.
If you're talking about the map on http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-15/china-says-military-will-stand-and-use-force-if-us-sends-warships-islands, I agree it's ridiculous.
I think China's lost their minds to think they can block off 24 nautical miles (12 in each direction around each pile of sand) in a chain of piles. Anchor baby islands.
What makes it even more absurd is they inherited that map from the Kuomintang "imperialist running dogs" that they chased to Taiwan in 49. Apparently it suited their purposes, and so they kept it.
China has my permission to blow the US warships out-of-the-water.
Go ahead, make my day...
Yes, broke ass America, start another war, this time they can finalize their plans and use our social security funds to pay for this war. And the fucking idiots like you will cheer them on, just like you have the rest of the raping of America's wealth. You have a cheerleader's mentality, aloof and uningaged, and thats EXACTLY they way they want you.
Social security funds? That fund is already stuffed to the brim with US Treasuries. They'd have to go after 401ks and shit.
Why feed and care for your citizens when you can build another war ship with that money?
Not to mention it would be highly illogical for the cinese fto finance the U.S. to fight a war against China. Magic Baby Jesus help us all....
and they will. They don't need a war for that - just Chosenite privelage.
Are you feeling lucky, punk?
winston of oceania hello cheeky nando cunt
This seems to be about Taiwan and access to it by US fleets. JMHO
More like toll to the troll, or kowtow to Chairman Mao.
The Chinese have parked in the middle of one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world with the intention of forcing maritime nations to seek their permission to pass. The goal here is to change de-facto possession to dejure, based on other nation's acceptance of those conditions.
If they do decide to enforce their claim, I predict the major shipping companies will re-flag, just like they did in the Persian Gulf.
Boarding a Greek or Liberian ship on the high seas doesn't have quite the same consequences as boarding one flying the US flag. The US Navy is there to make sure that doesn't happen. That's what this is about.
So... bullish for US maritime tax revenue and US flag makers!
While not the main story, an interesting outcome here might be that having re-flagged, many companies will see the advantage of bearing US registry and stay that way once the dust settles. It may cost more to register in the USA, but I bet the drop in insurance rates offsets a lot of that, especially if you sail in dangerous waters.
"Tell vlad when I get re-elected I'll have more time" obama is just a puppet, the power shift we see is done by design to eventually rid america of it's super power role. There will be no war, its not needed as russia and co. will control the middle east. USA is finished, just havent felt the killing blow yet when the ponzi collapses.
Both Russia and China are running quite a ponzu themselves...
The US is one of few nations that can be completely self sufficient.
The borders could be sealed tight and the country could prosper without anything from the outside.
US could even dump Alaska, Hawaii, Guam and Puerto Rico and any other territory outside the mainland.
Some of these latte sipping PhDs in Women's Studies and French Literature might have to give up Starbucks and go pick fucking vegetables for a living, but that would actually be better for them anyway.
Raw resource wise, you may be correct. But resources are nothing without the industrial base to convert them from rock to computers or tree sap to tires. The us industrial base is in mainland China. Could the US population survive without the Chinese? Perhaps at 1890's levels and after a sharp reduction in population, but not at today's standards.
The is still some manufacturing capacity in the US and there is certainly the knowledge to rebuild it.
We might even try an interesting idea, such as building quality products that last more than a few years.
...and in a truly lightbulb moment you show what is in store for the US.
The US is one of few nations that can be completely self sufficient.
The borders could be sealed tight and the country could prosper without anything from the outside.
US could even dump Alaska, Hawaii, Guam and Puerto Rico and any other territory outside the mainland.
Some of these latte sipping PhDs in Women's Studies and French Literature might have to give up Starbucks and go pick fucking vegetables for a living, but that would actually be better for them anyway.
True dat. People are also forgetting their history: The US isn't a provocateur of world wars but rather a profitter of them. Sure we have engaged in aggressions against small time dictatorships, esp. since WW2, but that was for money.
The elephant in the room is king dollar. It does bring to question that recent actions are bringing the end of kind dollar, but why? You have a person like Putin skimming, what percentage of the Russian GDP? And the 8 chicom immortal families doing the same.
If king dollar is over, why destroy the planet? Take your toys, put them away, and start over. That ploy has worked since the Assyrians.
Seems to me that Xi's 'red line' may be a little bolder than O's!
Another Chess player is definitely not what Obamy needs now....he's already been checkemated by Putin on a couple of issues.
Note 1. What if this was all some trap by the chinese
Note 2. why doesnt china have an armada of ships defending these islands
Note 1: it is.
Note 2: not needed.
The Chinese are building up the spratleys because of the oil resources nearby. Oil, more than gold, is the only real money that exists. They will not react by sinking a US ship. They can read history better than we can and know about the Lusitania. They will allow the fleet to go by, perhaps with some provocative harassment, but will not be the ones to initiate violence.
Once the Navy behaves in a hostile manner, the Chinese will pull their ambassador, kick out the US ambassador and encourage Russia to do the same. Next will be India, Brazil and assorted African nations. They will announce the rejection of the US dollar and stop exporting to countries that continue to do business with the US. US corporations, owing no allegiance to any country, will agree to whatever terms the Chinese government impose in order not to loose access to the Chines market, but more importantly, to the industrial base (Apple would become Cisco overnight without the Chinese factories).
The US stock market will crash to 9000 the first week on its way to 3000. NASDAQ would have to close its doors. US artificial wealth would vanish faster than if hit by an EMP strike.
Obama is an amateur been led by psychopaths who still believe in US exceptionalism.
So glad I can live fine without a salary and that my wealth is not in digits but land, resources, water and energy.
Recommend you do the same.
Obama got the message that he was playing checkers while Putin was playing Chess, so in this one, Obama is playing Chess.
Unfortunately, he didn't get the message that Xi is playing "Go".
No, Chinese Checkers.
Remember how China viciously invaded North Viet Nam .... when we pulled out .... Jane Fonda was dumbfounded and deeply hurt .... I believe we threatened China to back off .... Viet Nam is now on excellent terms with US .... this Chinese aggression will fail .... even the Muslim Obama .... must be consternated over Chinese suppression of Uighur Muslims ?
You're a little mixed up on your historical dates (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indochina_Wars ).
China invaded Vietnam in 1979, 4 years after the end of America's involvement in the 2nd Indochina War and Jane Fonda's infamy.
However I'm sure the souls of 58,000 Americans who fought against communism and died in the Vietnam War are happy to know they gave their lives so U.S. corporations could be on "excellent terms" with Vietnam which by the way, is still a communist ruled country.
Don't forget Tibet.. They still occupy it.
"People with vision in Washington... " ???
I can't believe that somebody wrote this line.
Are you joking or is this sarcasm??
Nice to see that the head custodian at the Smithsonian gets some recognition.
I think the author must have been referring simply to people in Washington with functional eyeballs.
The U.S. military is just following orders from their gay, wrist slapping, half-black monkey boy.
That has got to be worse than sailing, flying, or marching into certain death.
But all revulsion aside,
While military might spreads on the outside, infectious rot spreads on the inside.
China should just send a navy ship to within 12 nautical miles of US soil in retaliation. Whatever the US does to the Chinese ship China can respond in kind. So there, make your move Obumpma.
Hold on now, this is NOT about putting limits on American aggression, its about limiting everyone else.
That will last about 5 minutes , when they get exposed to our excessive carbon emissions.
Maritime limits on international water zone boundaries.
http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/csdl/mbound.htm
Lets get the facts straight. The Us has every right to sail in those Waters. China's claim that those Islands belong to them is nothing else than a crap for Power. At one stage those Waters where owned by the Japanes Navy until the US Navy kicked them out. China is taking those areas over by force and the Countries nearby are not strong enough to say get lost. The only one that can stand up to them is the US and they have every right to sail in those Waters. That claim by China that is all the way down to Bornea is a joke and our Government here in Australia sees it the same way. Just like those Invaders into Europe, one has to draw the line in the Sand one day. No other Nation in that Area has said that the US Navy cannot sail there.
Well then how'bout sending your Navy? Last I hear is they agree with the ussa,,,BUT,,, aren't putting their assets where their mouth is.
Talk is great when it's someone else dying... Put up or Shut up.
What a fucking joke, idiot conservatives, America wipes out entire civilizations, and you gripe when China wants to control water that may be beyond it exact borders. You idiots have so bought into American exceptional-ism, zionist propaganda meant to turn OFF American reason and turn on the ever present bully within us.
America has no basis for telling anyone about international law, the majority of our "leaders" should be locked up for crimes against humanity. Or maybe you still think ISIS sprang from the sands of Iraq out of nowhere....
Midnight; you and your snotty assed kids can go sign up and fight the Chinese over some shitty little rock 8000 miles away.
Washington has turned into the mad dog of the world.
Policy coup. A few policy coups.
Remember, if the Spratly's are divided amongst all claimants .... China can only claim one share .... for Taiwan and the mainland .... because they insist they are one entity .... fuck them in their faces .... the commie slanted slit eyed socialist Sino sluts ?
Jump on the Sinking Ship as I say "Fuck You Too" Troll.
It was a pleasure .... fucking with your mind .... I actually support the Chinese .... for getting tough with their Muslims .... but, this blatant "Sand Ghrab" is worse .... than the inhuman naked pyramiding and dog leashing by fun loving "Kilroy was here" female American soldiers .... at Abu Ghrab ?
So finally, the US decided that it would sail some warships by the islands just to see if it can do so without getting shot at.
Give this guy a chance to redeem himself (or not):
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oZScrhu0mEo/UJAzBdfFQYI/AAAAAAAAKZI/GspGY1B7tJ...
I think blowing up one aircraft carrier is enough.
Soooo,,, how many lives is the ussa willing to risk trying to maintain their bully status? These little islands are a grave national threat to the ussa? Are the ussa ships gonna run up the Walmart flag?
Freedom of shipping? I don't hear any crying "we can't get our cheap Chinese junk" here in the land of the free-loaders. Well, wait until Uncle Sugar get a war started with China,,, do you honestly think the dumbasses here in the ussa that have been sitting around on their lard butts soaking up all that government dole are going to start producing those I-Toys overnight? Gimme a break.
I would mention the money being spent foolishly on this expedition but hell, the usg just print what they need these days.
We have been overflying them as the endlessly threten those flights for months.
In ye olden days, we would sail the entire fleet into a harbor and that would be the end of the story.
The only equivalent to the show of force today would be to have the combined navies and Air Forces of all the nearby countries - along with the U.S. - sail or fly past the islands. The U.S. alone is no longer intimidating enough to deter the Chinese. However, the Chinese cannot control the islands is every adjacent country is with the U.S. in this.
The US should declare the waters between Hawaii and Alaska and between Hawaii and California as territorial waters and off limits to all foreign ships.
Those Island-Heads need to be killed. HARRP their ass with tidal waves.
China just dump the remaining USTs you got left and "man up"!...
You knew this day was coming and just like what the U.S. and Britain did to the Japanese in the Malacca Straits before WWII now you know what it feels like to being the silent partner to many crimes you could have fixed long ago!
Never should have done the dirty deed with India hauling away the evidence to that crime scene at Ground Zero in 2001 in exchange for more technology and labor to the U.S.'s big behind!!!
I'll leave it there.
china's not a superpower, it's a joke. the sand castles are illegal and contrary to international treaties to which china is a party. so... they need to have their shit shoved in. US forces are nothing to be "ashamed" of, US power is nothing to be "ashamed" of. Make it rain hell from the skies if that's what the chinky fucks want.
If these sandcastles are illegal then let's take the treaties and regulations to an international tribunal. We look like hypocrites to interpret and enforce the international laws as we see fit and to ignore other violations of international law.
The US does not recognize the claim and will demonstrate that they are illegitimate and that China has zero way to back up the claims. Simple really. If China fires a shot, whatever fired that shot will get killed in a heartbeat.
You are so focused n fucking military might. China can bring down America without firing a shot. You should fear.
It really can't. China has none of the power it thinks it does. It's kinda cute actually once you see reality.
.................what happened to you laomei mate ? Suddenly from pro-china you went to China Bashing. Did you loose money in stocks too ?
Been pro for long enough I figure. Things are coming to a head here and it will not end well. I, and quite a few other long-timers are all in the process of bailing out.
I actually have made quite a bit of boodle off the crash to be honest. We have already liquidated one of our homes and the others are already on the market. We're done here, have reached our breaking point and this is no place for children in the coming years.
Our nation is run by zionist monsters, who could not care less about the ramifications of their actions on America itself. Like a typical paracite, they will just move on when America is dead.
X-ians enable them.
Like pit bull owners.
They just may engineer the destruction of the US as they did for the USSR just so that millions of jews living here are forced to move to Zionist occupied Palestine (from here on abbreviated as 'ZOP')
Bring your sand wedge horse face....
Nationalistic blather for domestic effect. China don't care what navy does really. They can use the issue for whatever they want. Probably asked the US to come over.
WWIII priced into SKEW
China's claim to those waters is false. But the U.S. has no legitimacy to be the world's arbitrator. Obama could have remedied that but like everthing else, he made it much, much worse.
I agree, but unless they start building islands like that off the US coast, it is not worth the lives of PLAN cadres or USN personnel!!!
China "LIQUIDATING U.S. TREASURIES" to ...
Give it time, first warning was already issued.
If the US wants to go there, why don't they just buy the port as China bought the port of Long Beach.
Problem solved.
http://www.worldpropertyjournal.com/real-estate-news/united-states/los-a...
Saudi Arabia was going to buy both Longshore ports under George Bush JR. It got shit canned.
Google wheat shipments under Saudi.
Just because China says these islands belong to them doesn't make it so. This is about free passage and open navigation lanes.
Exceptional Hegemony
Did China say ships could not pass? This whole thing is stupid. Children should not have weapons like warships.
Any USN ship can pass by OUTSIDE a 12-mile limit from these goofy islands.
"What on earth makes the United States think China should and will tolerate it when U.S. surface ships trespass on Chinese territory in the South China Sea"
gawd, this is a stupid statement. it's not their territory just because they built up mid-ocean reefs. we could take territorial control of many places with the same effort. let's build a reef 5 miles off the panama canal and stop china's passage there.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/rearvision/5145092
‘Technically, an island under international law must be above sea level at all times and capable of human habitation. So roughly, of the disputed islands in the south, the Spratly Islands, around 50 are actually islands and the rest are rocks.’
China claims Scarborough Shoal is an island, while the Philippines maintain it is merely a rock. If the Scarborough Shoal is an island, it would confer an exclusive economic zone (EEZ) on the country that can claim sovereignty. Within an EEZ, the state has full rights to all natural resources for 200 nautical miles around.
‘If they're only rocks, they're only allowed a 12 nautical mile limit,’ says Stephanie Kleine-Ahlbrandt, the director of Asia-Pacific programs at the US Institute of Peace. ‘So that's why the Philippines would argue they are rocks. If they were to be, for example, decided to be Chinese, then it would give China only a 12 nautical mile limit.
Exactly! It is a stupid statement if ever there was one. USA wants a fight. They want a chance to freeze Chinese assets and to most trade with China. Of course they do not think China will "tolerate" this.
Not that those islands belong to China in the first place.
The US has gotten themselves in a hell of a pickle by, once again, challenging the sovereign rights of others. Not only that, it is inconceivable why they would go provoking China for no valid reason when China holds so much US debt that they could crash the US bond market in a week if they wanted to. It seems that Putin was right, they must have oatmeal in their heads.
If anything, the US should be thanking China on a daily basis for having bought all those bonds in support of the US borrowing bubble. The last thing US needs is for China to retaliate to this military excursion into Chinese waters, not by firing a shot, but by crushing the US bond market a little more each day until the US finally says "Ok, ok, ok... we sorry.
I think they are desperate for a way to keep the ChiComs from cashing in moar treasuries. Sanctions would do the trick if we sacrifice a few hundred sailors and a couple of ships.
Just make sure McCain is on the bridge of one of them while on a tour of USN boats.
China's claim is laughable .... but, the Zionist connection is .... "Hillaryous" ? ( Banzai .... I will sell you my clever word smiths .... and you can use them as your own .... this will give you the edge over Ramirez .... I serve a higher cause .... than my vanity ?)
China just ignore US ships... and order 50 billion dollars of silver... then in a few days offer to buy the ships at pennies on the dollar as there won't be fuel to get them home
be sure to sell your US Debt first... you won't want to be stuck with that dud ...
Level D.C, level virginia, level wall street. Kill all oligarchs, kill the money printer.
Peace on earth.
The first oligarch that gets to the bunker and presses the red button wins.
Put several thousand Syrian 'moderate rebels' fleeing the Russians onto the Spratlys.
ZH's own map from a year ago last June, looks like a strategic spot to leverage a southeast asia co-prosperity sphere to me.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/06/20140607_china.png
China's attitude; If ya gott'em [super-supersonic anti-ship missiles], lightem' up..... Teach the Yankee dogs a lesson....Why doesn't the US JUST stay home and taken care of that godforsaken mess called 'Merika...
Because the ones that run 'Merika don't care about 'Merika like you do.
+300,000,000 (not including illegal aliens).
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HILARIOUS! LMAO
MORE LIBERTARIAN PARANOID BULLSHIT! LOL
MORON! THE ISLANDS ARE HUNDRED OF MILES AWAY
CHINA IS CREATING TERRITORIAL WATERS OUT OF THIN AIR
CUBAN WAS 90 MILES
CUBA HAD NUKES AIMED AT EVERY CITY ON EASTCOAST
LOVE ZERO FOR ITS GEO-POLITICAL COMEDY ROUTINES!
We have built up islands too. It is not like this is a new idea. I suppose it might depend on where it was built and how. This sounds like an issue for an international court to resolve.
Uh oh.
There goes our 200 mile limit around Manhattan.
Where is Hawaii again?
Guam? Samoa?
You're right. The whole damn Pacific is ours!
Forward!
https://www.google.com/search?q=johnston+atoll&biw=1274&bih=640&tbm=isch...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnston_Atoll
Been there, got the t shirt, no lost paradise.
Guam capsized under BUsh's watch. He didn't heed Hank Johnson's warnings.
Rep. Hank Johnson, Guam will Tip over and capsize ...
Good thing Marco Island and Hilton Head Island hasn't tipped. Bath salt user politican.
China creating ownership of real property 'out of thin air' is incorrect. China has created a military base and will defend it with whatever it takes. Unless the US can conventionally beat the Chinese and run them out of the place, then it should do nothing. A conventional confrontation will end up with several sunken US ships and thousands of dead sailors. What wil DC do then? Use nukes? No it can't do that, unless it wants to be destroyed by H bombs as well. So the only thing to do is to not do anything.
Maybe this whole thing is timed with the decision whether or not to let the yuan become part of the SDR. The Chinese want to be allowed to join, because then they will be able to increase their economic influence while the US, controlled in reality by ZOP ('Zionist Occupied Palestine'), wants to prevent this unless China will let ZOP control the world. A confrontation will be the cover to say no to China whereas if China allows the US to transit within 12 miles as a sign that they will kowtow to ZOP, they will be allowed to.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_ballistic_missile
Nothing but a distraction from the failed escapade in Syria. Even the Aussies have just announced they will have nothing to do with the US and its needless antagonization of the Chinese in the South China Sea
All this over some sand pits, and note that it is in the "South China Sea".
Let China have its twelve mile limit around those sands pits, what does that have to do with international shipping lanes? Nothing.
The US lusts for more war, rivers of blood, more destruction.
US go f**k yourself. We don't want your wars. Go away.
But...but...
THEY MIGHT TRY TO DRILL OUR OIL!
bold italics win every argument.
China is the Japan of the 1930s. And we know where that went.
(Party Congress)
"WE must have the oil under those islands, Comrades!!"
(Cheers all around,) Xi bangs the gavel. "Order! Order, comrades!"
You build some islands on international waters and say that is your empire. What is the validity of your statement?
American politicians' owners want WWIII for the Military Industrial Complex, banksters and the depopulation faction and we do nothing about it.
If they are hell bent on sailing into those waters, one carrier battle group will not be enough. Do more than just "show the flag". Maybe Obama wants to destroy us militarily as well as economically.
Just how manoeuvrable is an large aircraft carrier against half a dozen stealth torpedoes these days?
Another escalation to WW3. Its a three way pissing contest.
Why would China choose this responce? For that matter why would the US take this action?
"What makes them think we will tolerate this?" Maybe they forgot to read The Art of War. They percieve you as weak.
The western world is ready to implode!
More on the agenda here......
http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2015/10/the-western-world-is-read...
How does the scriptor of your link explain all the Jewish Synagogues in Iran?
WE SEEM TO BE VERY LATE TO THE PARTY ..if we're trying to make a statement now. It's not like this "island building expedition" by the Chinese has been any kind of surprise.
If our US ships stay outside the 12-mile limit of the Spratlys, then this becomes a media circus. Everyone agrees the 12-mile limit is valid, and the Chinese know it. It would be incredibly foolish for Chinese ships to fire on a US ship in international waters. But it's a risky situation with so much naval firepower in close proximity.
IF the US enters the 12-mile limit of the islands ... then WHERE are our allies? Where are the Filipino ships, where are the Japanese ships? If this is about "strategic access" for trade routes, these other countries should be deeply involved.
china can blare Chinese patriotic music, spray radio emmissions at them to black out their electronics, emit clouds of foul odors at them, play chicken with our ships....etc. Whatever they do to annoy us, Russia will gain stature from it because the world will see that the US/Israel is going up against the 2 other biggies in the world and 2 biggies beats 1 biggie.
This isn't about trade routes. It's about what it always is over: OIL.
maybe the chinese have their own version of the khibinyi
Did I miss something ? The U.S. should have started building their own Island in the area at the same time the Chinese bagan building islands. Parity.
Instead the U.S. slept.
Good luck sorting things out now.