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With US Warships En Route To Islands, China Asks: "What On Earth Makes Them Think We Will Tolerate This?"
The US is in a tough spot militarily.
In Syria, Russia and Iran have taken advantage of the fact that the plan hatched by the West and its regional allies to destabilize the Assad regime took far too long to develop. The idea was to foment discord and provide covert support for the various armed militias fighting to overthrow the government. But the effort is entering its fifth year and Assad is still there. Not only that, there have been a series of unintended (well, at least we hope they’re unintended) consequences. First, one of the rebel groups the West and its allies supported morphed into an insane band of white basketball shoe-wearing, black flag-waving, sword-wielding desert bandits. Second, the fighting created a horrific refugee crisis that now threatens to destabilize the whole of Europe. Sensing a historic geopolitical opportunity, Moscow and Tehran simply stepped in and outmaneuvered Washington. Now, the US basically has to decide whether it wants to go to war with Russia, because paradropping ammo into the middle of the desert isn’t going to be a viable strategy.
Meanwhile, the US faces another superpower confrontation in the South China Sea.
When Beijing began its land reclamation efforts in the Spratlys, we’re reasonably sure the Pentagon didn’t anticipate the extent to which the effort would quickly become a giant headache for Washington.
As a reminder, it’s not so much the dredging that has Washington’s regional allies in the South Pacific upset. Island building has been done before in the area. Rather, it’s the scope of the project that has everyone unnerved as Beijing has so far constructed over 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory atop which China has built everything from cement factories, to greenhouses, to runways.
Whether or not the US really cares about this is debatable although these shipping lanes are indeed critical for world trade. But with The Philippines and others crying foul, Washington is left with little choice but to put on a brave face lest the world should get the idea that China can just redraw maritime boundaries at will and establish a Sino-Monroe Doctrine in the process.
So finally, the US decided that it would sail some warships by the islands just to see if it can do so without getting shot at.
No, really. That’s the whole plan. “Let’s see how far we can push them.”
This is of course orchestrated under the guise of a freedom of navigation operation which, in a way, makes little sense because China has never threatened global trade. Then again, it’s fairly obvious that Beijing has some military role for the new islands in mind.
In any event, China hit back on Thursday, saying the PLA would “stand up and use force” if necessary should the US make a “mistake” with the whole warship plan.
So in short, Washington is now in a staring contest with both Moscow and Beijing and both Russia and China seem to have gotten the idea that the US has lost its resolve lately and will probably blink first in both standoffs.
It’s with all of that in mind that we bring you the following rather amusing op-ed from Beijing out Saturday on Xinhua, presented below with no further comment:
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Via Xinhua
The United States' provocative attempts to infringe on China's South China Sea sovereignty are sabotaging regional peace and stability and militarizing the waters.
The U.S. Navy is reportedly preparing to conduct "freedom of navigation" operations, sending warships within 12 nautical miles of Chinese islands in the South China Sea. The U.S. operations may take place within days, according to reports.
Last month, in his response to China's claim of sovereignty over the South China Sea, U.S. Secretary of Defense Ash Carter said the United States "will fly, sail and operate wherever the international law allows, as we do around the world."
White House Spokesman Josh Earnest said on Oct. 8 that U.S. warships patrolling close to artificial islands built by China in the South China Sea "should not provoke significant reaction from the Chinese."
Let us not forget that in October 1962, when the Soviet Union was building missile sites in Cuba -- not even on U.S. soil -- U.S. President Kennedy made it clear in a televised speech that the United States would not "tolerate the existence of the missile sites currently in place."
What on earth makes the United States think China should and will tolerate it when U.S. surface ships trespass on Chinese territory in the South China Sea?
China will never tolerate any military provocation or infringement on sovereignty from the United States or any other country, just as the United States refused to 53 years ago.
China's stand on the South China Sea disputes is firm and clear. China's sovereignty and claims of rights over Nansha Islands and their adjacent waters in the South China Sea have been formed over the long course of history and upheld by successive Chinese governments, and have adequate and solid historical and legal basis.
Just as Article 15 of the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea stipulates, delimiting the territorial seas of China and other countries in the South China Sea shall be in accordance with China's "historic title" to the region.
China has always been, in a constructive and effective manner, a firm upholder of the freedom of navigation as well as peace and stability in the South China Sea. And China has vowed to continue to do so in the future.
China's construction of civilian and public facilities on the Nansha Islands and reefs, which fall within the scope of China's sovereignty, serves not only China but also coastal nations in the South China Sea.
For instance, two lighthouses recently built on reefs in the region have helped guide passing vessels from around the world and significantly improved navigation safety.
Contrary to U.S. claims, it will be the United States, as an outsider, that further provokes tensions in the South China Sea by sending soldiers and warships to Chinese territory in the name of "freedom of navigation."
This is not the first move by the United States to undermine the regional peace and stability that China has worked so hard for.
Over the past several years, the United States has held frequent large-scale drills with its allies in the South China Sea, flexing their military muscles.
According to the website of the U.S. Department of Defense, the country has deployed thousands of civilian and military officials, as well as a huge number of weapons, to the Pacific region.
To destabilize the region and contain China, the United States has deliberately involved non-party nations, such as Japan, in the South China Sea issue and stirred disputes between China and other parties, including the Philippines.
By no means will China let the provocateurs make waves in waters that should be characterized by peace, friendship and cooperation.
Last year, the bilateral trade volume between China and members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) exceeded 480 billion U.S. dollars.
Concerned nations have no alternative but to jointly deal with disputes in the South China Sea that pose a threat to the development and prosperity of parties in the region.
On Sept. 18, in response to remarks made by the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific on patrolling the South China Sea, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said China, like the United States, upholds freedom of navigation in the waters.
However, the spokesman stressed, China opposes any country's challenge, in the name of freedom of navigation, to China's sovereignty and security in the South China Sea.
During a visit to Europe in March 2014, Chinese president Xi Jinping stressed that his country will "never stir up any trouble, but will resolutely safeguard its legitimate rights" when it comes to sovereignty and territorial integrity.
Even though enhancing mutual trust and managing disputes through high-level visits and talks still remains the first option for China, the country will, without any doubt, adopt countermeasures against the United States if it doesn't stop military provocations that infringe upon China.
People with vision in Washington should and must see clearly China's determination in safeguarding national sovereignty and regional security.
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joy...
we freedom of navigationed some folks...
Study: US military too reliant on foreign-made equipment
LOL, looks like China could shut down the US military.
It's what happens when you outsource all your key industries making the globalist happy.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2038218/study-us-military-too-reliant-on-...
That is a sign of extreme suicidal stupidity.
China might be a trading partner but it is also a country of adversarial alignment.
There are concerns that someday in the future the US could go to war with China.... and these Einsteins are buying military electronics and other components from them????
Those responsible should be brought to trial on treason charges and then shot.
sailing ships around the ocean means nothing. in the event of a war, those us ships would be sunk in 1 day if they got that close....means nothing.
Pass by in International waters. Turn on all electronic snooping/countermeasures. See what "lights up." Learn more about their capabilities.
How about these islands......we can increase their size, enlarge air strips or even trade them for the Spratleys.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/quemoy_matsu.htm
TWO WORDS: INTERNATIONAL WATERS
Why do we care? Let the countries in the area fight it out...
The bully hasn't been told NO nor been hit in the mouth this way until as of late...so it may take a while before the REHAB realization kicks in is all this is in my opinion. Paper Tiger Syndrome hasn't been fully realized yet. Easier to bully countries that can't punch back
U.S. surface ships trespass on Chinese territory in the South China Sea?
What a bunch of bullshit....
The Chinese would consume everything on the planet given the chance.
Since the entire US Navy has undergone sensitivity training the whitehouse will have to deploy some PMC's to do proper taunting. Obviously taunting and mooning would be against the peace prize winner's rules of engagement but since he is in such desperate straits (HA HA) he will have to make some adjustments.
Perhaps the military could bring some retirees back that are skilled in proper taunting. How about a cruise to the south china seas guys?
The navy has always been know to be full of gaping assholes.
Only difference; now they can officially fly their rainbow flag.
China knows whats coming thats why its building those islands...pretty much a way to run interference with the us military, this is all about military strategy. Remember 300, were the spartans held off the xerxes army by keeping it bay at a choke point...this is the strategy. In every government you have military advisors screaming at the policy branch for protecting their national interests militarily and the spratley islands is what the chinese military have suggested to be part of military strategy. For guys that love chess these geopolitical "games" are intriguing. China shouldnt have wasted so much resouces on ghosttowns and better start ramping up production of military assets and start getting involved with russia in syria or be viewed as a paper tiger.
It would be nice if these demented losers would just decide whether they are going to destroy the world or not. If they West wants war we are one false flag away, the Reagan is already glowing they could probably just Gulf of Tonkin that one. At this point it seems they just want to ratchet things up to the maximum they can get away with and punish everybody in a slow strangling economic death.
The biggest tell that something is about to go down would be the elite bailing from the US in droves.
I would have liked to have seen Montana...
move and become a dental floss tycoon.
and raise rabbits.
I've seen it. Outside of the Western part in the mountains it is a very ugly state.
*(and I do know that you are quoting a movie)
Obama is getting ready to appoint a trans-gender general to take care of this matter.
Maybe Obama wants a war? Seems pretty odd to me. How come the crazy progressives aren't screaming at the top of their collective lungs?
the only people tougher than a jew in negotiations are the chinese. with the jew all you have to remember is the word no and use it incessantly. with the chinese you have to attack them personally as in laugh in their face as much as you use no with a jew. these are two of the biggest pains in the ass to do business with.
pity the men who have been unfortunate enough to marry one of their women. talk about misery.
The Chinese also are unpredictable as in they can just suddenly lose it. Psychotic is the technical term. The Japanese went psycho by attacking the US; they didn't need to do it and in just 6 months their strike force was on the bottom off MIdway. The Asian mind is not understood by the Chosen. Kissenger is clueless. A mistake will be made here, you can count on it. When the Asians feel dishonored, they will attack without considering the usual consequences that a Westener considers such as the future. Only the present matters.
the biggest difference between east and west ideology is the attitude about death. everyone in the east, despite the disparate cultures, all understand death as just a part of life and there is a red line where death is a tribute to life, honor. the west sees death as a threat, personally and for use in intimidating others. this is how they treat the east. the red line is sure to be crossed and there may be 100 dead chinese for every dead american but they will keep coming until they are through. look up the korea war bugout when the chinese joined the fun.. the chinese will not fuck around.
I think you are confusing the Ghost of Chinese Warfare Past and the Ghost of Chinese Warfare Present.
And don't even think about Ghost of Chinese Warfare Yet To Come.
Maybe, but these actions and the language sound like Chinese past.
The West plays chess, the East plays Go. In Go, you can establish a secure position anywhere in fact you must, you don't start out with your own territory. China is playing Go with the Spratlys. Does anyone in the Obama regime even understand, much less care?
C'mon, the Chinese didn't get to the enviable position they occupy today by being so advanced economically, while still floundering in the behavior of its past.
China is like Eve Harrington in that old Bette Davis movie, a newbie on the stage, studying the actions and movements of the established Broadway star as she climbs her way to the top to replace her.
Margo (the established star) and her housekeeper Birdie talk abou Eve.
you can count on the fact that China knows every rotten move that Washington has made since the Boxer Rebellion and has them categorized and in alphabetical and chronological order.
Now China is throwing them back, one by one, into the face of the White House and Pentagon.
If "these actions and their language sound like Chinese past", I, for one, would make a very large bet that that is exactly their intention.
Yeah but that's just what I mean, they don't really know wtf they're doing.
You've been around the block a couple of times, IWC, and certainly know that to say "they (China) don't know wtf they're doing" is the moral and intellectual equivalent of saying "Russia and the separatists shot down MH17."
Of course they know wtf they're doing.
With all due respect, IWC, if somebody doesn't know what China is doing, there's an excellent chance it's you.
You shouldn't conflate Japan and China. Granted they are both of the Han tribe, but culture has to be considered. The whole "saving of face" is much more Japanese than Chinese.
Chinese do think strategically and long term.
In hand to hand combat, big white men will wipe out smaller Asians every time. However, modern warfare is more button pushing and delivering ordinance on target. The Chinese will master that easily.
White people have suicided themselves enough in war for mamon and being driven to pathological behavior by the parasite.
There are plenty of resources in north America and Europe. Post Communism both China and Russia extended their hand in friendship. They are still extending it.
Also consider prior to WW2 Japan was prosecuting a war in Manchuria, and this war was fueled by Oil from Texas. Steel was sent to Japan from the West Coast. Roosevelt shut off both the oil and steel exports, so Japans war machine was starved.
"one of the rebel groups the West and its allies supported morphed into an insane band of white basketball shoe-wearing, black flag-waving, sword-wielding desert bandits."
That was really well said! Also, Australia's Navy was invited to send warships to sail with the US ships. China is Australia's Numer One market on earth, and Australia said NO to the USA hint that a Warship or two would be nice.
The UK, NZ and OZ, along with Canada are really total puppets to US policies. The USA has been an all power world ruler for 2 decades since the USSR died. So the little politicians in these nations agreed in secret to be under US command, they offered up their foreign policy to be run by Washington, commands would come down the chain and locals would follow orders.
But now, I think OZ senses a hint of the rot inside the all powerful hegemon. The rot is indeed setting in. OZ has just made the first hint that it may be thinking of independence again. They have looked at the EU commit economic suicide by sanctioning a consuemr market of 144 million Russians. Now America wants OZ to do the same, join military operations aimed at China, and then after that fails, OZ will be asked to sanction China, and suffer the same fate as the EU.
Even the paid off puppets in Canberra may be waking up to the USA's decline. Oh, it is not really visible yet. On paper the USA is earth's supreme ruler and decider, and Washington means to cling to that position by armed force if need be. It is just that OZ has an economy now that needs China, more than it needs to help the world Hegemon hold onto power.
Good on ya mate! I have been sick watching OZ political sycophancy for TOO LONG.
Oz is sort of understandable, but NZ? If the Aussies were the US of the southern hemisphre, the ANZ's were the Canadians.
Dream on Jack my boy. Australia is in the pocket of the US like never before, for any further proof - Just signed the TPP, allowed Dallas Buyers Club to prosecute its own Citizens, ex-Goldman Sachs director just became Primeminister through an unelected coup (assisted by negative pressure through US/Jewish owned media) as Abbot wanted closer relations with China and nothing to do with the TPP, under Gillard signed an agreement to allow expansion of US bases in Queensland and Northern Territory, etc....
We lost this fight a long time ago...
Its the end of the empire, and instead of gracefully pulling out the Global Elite are going to run this into the ground. We have been doomed for many years, and you're watching it unfold in front of your eyes.
Say goodbeye to the almighty United States of America. Just pray that assured mutual destruction isn't in the plan
We're fine. The "elite" is doomed.
S & P Futures will be up on Monday..... who cares!!
Why doesn't China just say.... for every ship you send over here, we will sell an extra 100 Billion of Treasuries.
I'm sure Janet will be happy to send them all the electrons needed to spell out $100 billion in exchange for those Treasuries.
It is well to remember the two centuries or so of Western Imperial actions in China. We can go back in history if you like, google can provide any number of links to things like the Opium Wars or the western Yangtze River Gunboats ruling China's great river. The Western enclaves on Chinese territory where Western Law ruled. The exploitation of the Chinese, forcing them to by Opium in return for tea exports. Etc. Etc. And lastly Japan invaded in the 20-30-40's doing untold damage. Now that China has regained it's nation and regained control over it's territories, it is loath to let any western force try and dictate anything as if it was 1880 again! Sensitive is an understatement as to how China feels about wester military and "orders" coming from the west.
Remember Bush sending spy planes right to the fringe of Chinese Air Space? This was a Bush team order once he hit the White House "Fly right on the limit", China used a fighter jet to knock down a US spy plane. And Russia was allowed to send it's intell teams to stip it, sharing info with China and taking their copy home to Moscow. Bush was left with egg on his face. Only 9/11 allowed Bush to escape his Chinese adventure, and shame! People quickly forgot his Chine incident! But China did not forget.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRDvHm-wa68
Haaretz: David Sassoon
"On November 7, 1864, businessman David Sassoon, founding father of the Sassoon business dynasty, died in Pune, India. The trading empire he created spanned the globe, from what is now Mumbai on the western coast of India, via Shanghai and Hong Kong in China, all the way to London, England. It dominated world commerce in a number of commodities – most significantly opium – over the second half of the 19th century."
"In Jewish history books, David Sassoon, an observant Jew, is remembered mostly for his philanthropy, which included the construction of “Baghdadi” synagogues in Bombay (Magen David) and Pune (Ohel David)....., David became a naturalized British citizen in 1853, although he continued to live in Pune."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/this-day-in-jewish-history/this-day...
1839
"Due to the rampant opium addiction in China, profiting David Sassoon, the British Royal family, and the Rothschilds’, the Manchu Emperor XuanZong Daoguang (Tao-kuang) orders the trade be stopped. He names the Commissioner of Canton, Lin Tse-Hsu, as leader of a campaign against opium. Lin Tse-Hsu organizes the seizing of 2,000 chests of Sassoon opium and orders it to be thrown into the river. David Sassoon informs the Rothschilds’ of this and they demand that the armed forces of Great Britain retaliate in order to protect their drug running interests.
Thus, the Opium Wars begin with the British Army once again fighting as mercenaries for Rothschild interests. They attack cities and blockade ports. The Chinese Army, by now decimated by 10 years of rampant opium addiction, prove no match for the British Army. The war ends in 1842 with the signing of the Treaty of Nanking. This includes the following provisions designed to guarantee the Rothschilds’ through their puppet, David Sassoon, the right to provide an entire population with opium:
Another war around some sandhills for the next 13 years.
The US Government is monumentally stupid.
Please, don't mistake Obama for the US Government, though I can see how that could happen. The government itself is just as dumb as governments always are, it's Obama who takes it to the monumental stage.
From wikipedia:
With over 700 ships and vessels in the service of the PLA Navy, I don't see that it will be very difficult to block, slowdown and prevent the gunboats of Obama from getting a good view of whatever it is they want to see.
If Admiral Obama Dewey Have Any Idea What's Going On, just wants to put his ships within the 12 miles limits, he might have a more difficult getting them out with 700 vessels blocking their way.
This is really nothing but POPCORN TIME.
I dare say he'll just run over them, or otherwise blast them out of the way.
Aside from the fact that most of those numbers are dinky little ships, naval effectiveness like most things depends on accumulated experience. Whatever one thinks about the ethics of US military activity, the fact is the US has far more experience fighting wars with modern equipment, and certainly far more engaged in serious naval activity than China. Most US military problems have actually been the decisions and constraints applied by their political masters.
I hope you're not one of the McKenzies who think that China and Russia secretly hate each other and want nothing more than to see the other fail even if that locks the US in as master of the universe.
If what I just described is not the case, than China has a shit ton of Russia's Yakhont ship-to-ship missiles. Whether or not they can e launched from dinghies Im', not qualified to answer.
But there must be at least 400 other ships in the PLA NavyTHAT CAN FIE THEM
I'd suggest you get plenty of pop corn cause we're about to see a combo of Elizabeth against Philip and Octavian and Mark Antony.
YUM YUM
When Iran began to sell oil for gold to China, Russia and India, this was a de facto declaration of war. The US has staggering debt and without the backing of its currency by the Petrodollar, in which every nation must purchase dollars to buy oil, the dollar would hyper-inflate overnight. The BRICS as they are called are led by China and Russia and they moving the world away from the Petrodollar. Subsequently, it is only a matter of time until the bottom falls out of the US economy. The Federal Reserve wanted to invade Syria and Iran and put a stop to the undermining of the Petrodollar just as they did in Iraq in Gulf War I. However, for the past three years, Russia has checkmated Obama and the Federal Reserve and as a result Iran has grown stronger and the BRICS are destroying the US economy. For the Federal Reserve to survive they now have to go to war against the BRICS. Since they have been ousted in Syria, China seems the best place to start World War III. DETAILS HERE: http://osnetdaily.com/2015/10/obamas-south-china-sea-syndrome-another-na...
Which American wants to die fighting China? Which muslim wants to die fighting Russia? I thought so.
If the UK built a few islands in the Atlantic and then claimed sovereignty over the whole area people would laugh at us, but apparently it is fine when the Chinese do it. I respect independent reporting, but this smacks of anything anti US is good, in other words, going full retard.
"If the UK built a few islands in the Atlantic and then claimed sovereignty over the whole area people would laugh at us, but apparently it is fine when the Chinese do it. I respect independent reporting, but this smacks of anything anti US is good, in other words, going full retard."
Falkland Islands?
Bob, maybe history and geography are not your strong points.
No one "built" the Falklands, except nature.
The Uk had colonised the Falklands before Argentina existed as a country, and has had continuous occupation there by people who farm the land and fish the surrounding waters.
The people of the Falklands have as much right to their own identity, and a longer history, than Argentina.
Wake up, Bazza
Nobody gives a flying fuck about the Falklands.
It's the deposits of oil which lie on the continental shelf beneath the Falklands.
Argentina would not have wanted the islands back and Iron Tits (Margaret Thatcher) would have paid Argentina to take them off England's hands
DUH.
""This is of course orchestrated under the guise of a freedom of navigation operation which, in a way, makes little sense because China has never threatened global trade.""
WTF?....So, how much did you guys at ZeroHedge get paid by the Chinese government to post this article?
The issue here is RESOURCE RIGHTS. Vietnam, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Japan, etc... have legit claims to the resources on or under the sea floor in the South China Sea. Those areas in question are within these countries maritime EEZ, the EEZ is a concept recognized by China at the UN, and indeed makes use of herself.
China wants those oil and mineral resources for herself and is making the claim that her territory extends into the South China Sea smack dab in the middle of these other countries EEZ.
This has NEVER been about "freedom of navigation".....this is about China using her military might to seize resources from its weaker neighbors.
FAIL
Even if that was so, what's the point? Who cares.
Who are we to say China can't do this while we're off bombing dozens of 'weaker' countries, invading them, funding/arming/transporting terrorists TO those weaker countries. Yes we're good because our country acts like psychopaths, but at least we can stop China from building some islands and mining some minerals. Does anyone remember that historically Vietnam WAS a part of China? That is well within their 'region' or 'sphere of influence'.
What you forget is that they are seizing it, because these other nations aren't developing it. It's sitting their unused. Do you know for a fact they haven't made some sort of offer to various countries? Would our media even think to ask such a question, and even if they somehow did, could you believe the answers provided by our lying leaders?
We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Perhaps they offered to develop it for a fee to these countries. Perhaps not. Perhaps Washington got involved and ordered their patsies to say no. We really don't know. But nonetheless none of this is worthy of a war.
What you forget is that China doesn't want to be controlled by the U.S.
Imagine having a foreign country patrolling your sphere of influence in the waters near your country pretending to be keeping the peace. Imagine if Russia was claiming they keep the 'freedom of navigation' possible in the Gulf of Mexico, and said if we built some islands near the Yucatan peninsula, they would sail around it.
What you also forget is that China knows full well what the pivot to Asia means. The neo-cons and neo-libs want to destroy China, just like Russia. So perhaps their move was more to create a choke point against future U.S. agression. Perhaps they wanted to put some islands down, before the U.S. would in the name of 'protecting' these other nations, but in reality to create a nice jump off point to attack China. This also might help give China a forward operating base in terms of having the ability to place Anti-Aircraft weapons to prevent overflights by the U.S. whether it's espionage or attacks.
At the very least they are saying that the U.S. isn't going to dominate their sphere of influence, that THEY are.
Do we want nuclear war over this? Why in the hell should we care about some man made islands halfway around the world, and some mineral rights?
Think of the millions of dollars we're wasting in this nothing endeavor simply by sailing these ships around. Imagine the billions we may waste if these ships get sunk. Imagine the trillions lost, and billions of people dead from a nuclear war.
None of this is worth it. I don't see China invading South Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Japan with these islands.
It's about time someone stands up to China. Their game has been very smart, keep quiet while the US thrash about uselessly in the mideast, so they can build up their navy and air forces. Land grabbing from one's neighbors is a war crime. It's good the US is finally picking to challenge China over this issue, where the law is firmly against the Chinese. You simply cannot grab islands at gun point, kill the Vietnamese garrison, and then build up the islands so you can claim jurisdiction over the adjacent sea lanes. Reminds you of Israel and the Palestinians dont it? Land grabbing fuckers are all the same.
Exactly right. China has committed an act of war against its neighbours. US might not have a choice but to get involved if they have defensive treaties with these nations.
I do not know if the do or do not.
The lack of adult logic amongst posters here is alarming. They structure their arguments like little children. "but .. but Johnny steals candy from the store".
Each action is a separate even here. What United States does in other parts of the world has no correlation to what China is doing here.
Also this is the 21st century. China does not need to set up choke points away from its mainland. They have Russian anti-ship missiles that can sink entire US flotilla as soon as it shows up off their shores.
My "give-a-fuck-about-china-o-meter" is at zero.. ZERO. Fuck China right up the ass. Fucking theives and liars..
U.S. doesn't have do anything.
Obama and his psycho, warmongering, war criminal, narcissism has decided once again to act like a mad man worthy of being impeached (once again), but this time instead of risking Nuclear War with Russia over some Nazi's in Ukraine, he is risking Nuclear War with China over man-made islands in the south CHINA sea.
How about China getting mad if we do the same in the Gulf of Mexico?
Of course it seems like sailing by some islands isn't that big, but history is replete of situations where two sides face each other, get tense, and someone (or a 3rd party) decides to fire a gun, and the war starts.
If two nuclear powers get themselves into a situation like this, say 5 times, 100 times, 1000 times... or even just the first time, eventually something crazy happens, and then because we are nuclear powers, 7 billion people's lives are at risk.
What happens if the U.S., led by a psychopath orders them to sail past, and China fires... well you can bet John McCain and other neo-cons will start banging the war drums, and who knows what crazies are hiding somewhere deep in China.
Getting TO this stage is failure. Obama forcing this situation, proves his insanity. Sane people realize that you've already failed if you allow two nuclear powers to have ANY standoff.
For once the US is in the right, these islands belong to Vietnam and the Chinese knows it...it is a land grab pure and simple. The Chinese occupied the islands by force, slaughtering the Vietnamese garrison there with naval gunfire a decade ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2ZrFphSmc
Everything America touches turns to shit, lets see them fuck this up as usual
"Everything America touches turns to shit, lets see them fuck this up as usual"
Everything the American government touches turns to shit. They fuck things up. Not me. And not most of the 318 million people living here, for whatever reason they are here. That said, yes, the US government will fuck this up, and millions of us could die because of their fuck-ups.
That's the point. They need a level playing field. So? Reduce what used to be the tough kid to a bumbling idiot. We all must be equal serfs.
Ultimately people are responsible for their government.
Here we have guilt by complete lack of interest and involvement.
People are too occupied with their petty affairs to care what their government is doing outside and even inside the borders.
The American political left is especially mortally bankrupt. They were protecting Bush actions overseas but as soon as Obama took over they were quiet as a mouse. It proves that they did not care about the issue. They only cared about protesting against a republican president.
Sun Tzu is coming. We are collateral.
Lighthouses??? How very 1950ish...cuz GPS does not work in the S China Sea???
Agreed.
Stupid article.
Look at what China claims on the map. It's like the bully down the street telling you that your yard is now his property.
If we're going to tussle with China, best to do it before they learn to make rubber/plastic items that last.
"there have been a series of unintended (well, at least we hope they’re unintended) consequences. First, one of the rebel groups the West and its allies supported morphed into an insane band of white basketball shoe-wearing, black flag-waving, sword-wielding desert bandits."
The bandits aka ISIS just happen to have control of a $1.5 million / day oil distribution business (which involves bringing in experienced oil workers) and have a slick Hollywood-grade marketing and merchandising arm.
Someone has put an awful lot of effort into enabling and supporting something 'unintended'.
Trick or Treat!
It is shown which information can be extracted from the monitoring of
radionuclides emitted from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant
and transported to Europe. In this part the focus will be on the
analysis of the concentration ratios. While (131)I, (134)Cs and (137)Cs
were reported by most stations, other detected radionuclides, reported
by some, are (95)Nb, (129m)Te, (132)Te, (132)I, (136)Cs and (140)La.
From their activity ratios a mean burn-up of 26.7 GWd/t of the fuel from
which they originated is estimated. Based on these data, inventories of
radionuclides present at the time of the accident are calculated. The
caesium activity ratios indicate emissions from the core of unit 4 which
had been unloaded into the fuel storage pool prior to the accident.
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/09/scientific-proof-that-fukus...
Apparently at the recent White House meeting with President Xi the conversation was surprising. Xi was startled when Obama asked him how many fags they had in their army and then asked Xi if he could blow him after dinner. President Xi decided that Obama was not a serious person and that an attack from the rainbow US military would likely be very weak
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/nov/13/20061113-121539-3317r/?p...
(NYT, 1993) ISRAEL SELLS ARMS TO CHINA, U.S. SAYS
"Israel has sold advanced military technology to China for more than a decade and is moving to expand its cooperation with Beijing, says R. James Woolsey, the Director of Central Intelligence."
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/13/world/israel-sells-arms-to-china-us-sa...
U.S. Furious With Israel After Sale of Advanced Military Technology to Chinahttp://www.algemeiner.com/2013/12/22/u-s-furious-with-israel-after-sale-...
Israel Flagged as Top Spy Threat to U.S. in New Snowden/NSA Document
http://www.newsweek.com/israel-flagged-top-spy-threat-us-new-snowdennsa-...
"Iran will become the second overseas user of Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group's J-10 fighter without paying a dollar to China by signing a contract to allow Beijing to exploit its largest oilfield over the next 20 years, according to our sister paper Want Daily."
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20150805000189&c...
Iran Orders From China 150 J-10 Fighter Jetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgWMaIegLY
We do have a kickass battle hardened though tired war force. We are good if left to the Generals to fight it like it should. We can't fight the world. Likely all part of obama's one honored promise to fundamentally change America. WW3 oughta do it.
Why? Maybe TPTB have ordered a shooting war so as to partly distract from another 2008 Liquidity shortage, but this time it's Minus Liquidity10.
Whether the ChiComs are right or wrong, you solve this by Professional Diplomacy, not Gunboat Diplomacy.
Hey, sailors, keep your life jackets and flak jackets on, those sunburn missiles are quite dangerous.
FYI:
http://www.wired.com/2008/04/us-cant-stop-ch/
Wiki:
The People's Republic of China acquired SS-N-22 launchers and missiles (specifically, the for-export 3M-80E Moskit variant) with a 1999–2000 purchase of two Sovremenny destroyers from Russia.[citation needed]According to Russia, the PRC funded the development of the SS-N-22 version for the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). It has the designation 3M-80MBE, and this version differs from earlier versions mainly in having increased range (now beyond 220 km; 240 km has been quoted).[citation needed] These new missiles will be first installed on board the second pair of Sovremenny class destroyers. A total of 500 SS-N-22 AShM were ordered by the PRC for the four Russian-built Sovremenny class destroyers. With the exception of the first 20, these are the 3M-80MBE variant.[citation needed] The PRC has stockpiled roughly 15 SS-N-22 missiles per launch tube (each destroyer having a total of 8 launchers in two quadruple configurations).[citation needed] It is speculated that the PLA intends to use the missiles against carrier battle groups deployed by the United States Navy in the event of a confrontation with the Republic of China (Taiwan).[4]
Six SS-N-22 launchers were also present on the Soviet ekranoplan Lun.
The puppet masters of the magic malatto are not getting the hope and change they want.
Vietnam was about opium. It was equally about oil in the South China Sea. The ghost of McNamara still haunts the Pentagram ..
Please, just burn it! Burn it all down ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/04/americas-sad-terror-confession/
a french woman I spoke to today, said michelin, and rubber plantations played an important role in the vietnam war policy.
Gimme a break all you pussies. The Spratley Islands, have been and are a part of Palawan, RP (Phils).
C'mon all you map challenged, go to Google Maps, and really.......imagine you are a fair God and draw boundaries, and I challenge a single one of you dolts who think this is not important to actually respond and tell me why China's boundaries should extend to Spratleys?
No, it's not important to you but remembe America's soldiers fought side by side in WWII with the Filipinos. RP is a long trusted Ally. This is about RP as well as Sea Lanes.
Geez would you whiners have said, if you lived in New York in the 1750's: "heck, let the French take and keep Vermont, upper New York and New Hampshire, they aren't important?"
Stevious, the clue is the name - "South China Sea".
Are you suggesting that it belongs to the Confederacy?
And what, the "Indian Ocean" all belongs to India?
Those names have as much to do with ownership as the name of a US Congressional Bill has to do with its contents.
Don't attempt to use logic with these scumsuckers. Most of them are basement dwelling aspergers afflicted neo nazis who couldn't function on the surface world.
We honestly should just shut China up. Get close, scuttle the oldest ship in the battle group, and then in spectacular fashion turn it into a new underwater reef with superior firepower. Send the footage to China with a note "we did this to our own ship, just imagine what we can do to that rejected Soviet scrap yall sail."
All those words and yet you still couldnt manage a complete sentence, incredible! I commend you!
Did some terrorist drive a speedboat loaded with explosives up to one of your ships a couple of years ago and blow a hole in the side rendering it inoperative .
Yeah great superiority. Are you naturally retarded or have had formal training.
US investors gave them all the money they needed to grow a military and become a world power. So now they cry wolf?
What did you think they were going to do with all those trillions of USD's, build cruise ships?
Suck it up America. You wanted their cheap labor you got their cheap labor. Now they own you.
The first casualties
from O's red line brigade
against China
USS TREASURY
USS NASDAQ
USS S&P
USS DOW JONES
sunk with all
non-nwo's on board
and you think this could be
USS CONSPIRACIES
is this your fathers socialism
There's no such thing as 'International Law'. If there was, every nation would have to support it and some 'super nation' would have to enforce it.
There is no such thing - it's all bullshit for the masses.
Once will do you fuckin turd.
He had to repeat himself so it might sink in to your fucking thick skull.
Example one of US subjects Australia knew before Indonesia invaded East Timor and did nothing fast forward years later East Timor votes on a referendum to become a separate independent state. Now Australia send the military to oversee a fair vote takes place for East Timor becomes independent and the Indonesian army raise the country to the ground on thee exit. Fast forward again gas and oil deposits are found between East Timor and Australia but by maritime boundary is found to be in East Timor waters. GUESS WHICH COUNTRY WOULDN'T RECONISE INTERNATION MARITIME LAW- yeah that's right US close Allie AUSTRALIA! God bless democracy and the rule of law.
I wonder if they knew about those oil and gas deposit before helping oversee the referendum??????????
Common goal with a common enemy, hundreds of millions of citizens about to be placed into a state of utter destitution, and a vault of gold at the end of the rainbow will create the committee required to move the solution ooops forward ooops because if the politicians do not, they will be served on a kebob stick after a few hours on the Barb E.
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/markaz/posts/2015/07/21-comprehensive-tim...
Lying does not take a brilliant mind. Deception requires just a low-road approach (the long way) to riches. "It wasn't me" "He hit me first" "Im a Jew, haven't I been suffered enough!"
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Gosh Rumple, go take some Methylphenidate!
Rumples4skin must have a catnip feline sleeping on the keyboard.
Good thing you provided all these repeats for us slow learners.
By the way, you wouldn't by any chance be the fat-fingered cove who keeps causing market crashes and upsetting that nice Mr Yellen.
Agreed. Similiar to when Obongo always cites the "International Community". Does not exist except in his dreams
You can say that again. ;-)
" The US isn't a provocateur of world wars but rather a profitter of them"
Maidan, ISIS?
These are one of those cases that requires you to know about international law and sea to know that its bogus!
As long as the US keeps their weapons inactive they can sail all the way to anywhere they like!
But... if they're open and armed then you can attack and be in defence!
Turkey does that all the time in the Aegean!
If anything we would have been in war with them over 5 times already ;p
I hope I'm still alive to see America get invaded and conquered. I really can't stand that shitty country and their stupid flag waving populous. Fat, thick and lazy. Their gift to the world is corruption and making stupid fashionable.
Some of us are still alright people.....I promise.....ive stood against the whole fucking thing since 2001....ive lost friends and family due to my viewpoints and them dying for the banksters. America is a sad plcae, ruled by seriously mentally ill people; who are supported by the mentally ill.