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Clinton Considers Mandatory Gun "Buy-Backs" - Ignites Confiscation Concerns
Just days after talk of President Obama's gun control executive orders, and following a disappointing showing at the Democrat Debate, Hillary Clinton has jumped back on the populist bandwagon suggesting that, as Fox reports, it is "worth looking into" mandatory gun buy-back programs like ones in Australia. "This validates what the NRA has said all along," said Chris Cox, executive director of The NRA, with Clinton's comments making “very clear” that the underlying goal of gun-control advocates is confiscation.
Hillary Clinton said Friday that mandatory gun buy-back programs like ones in Australia are “worth looking into,” sparking criticism that the Democratic presidential front-runner would, if elected, impose gun-confiscation efforts.
Clinton made the comments during a campaign stop in Keene, N.H., when an attendee asked about Australia’s 1996 and 2003 buy-back programs that collected roughly 700,000 banned semi-automatic rifles and other firearms.
“I think it would be worth considering doing it on the national level, if that could be arranged,” Clinton responded.
“This validates what the NRA has said all along,” said Chris Cox, executive director of the National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action. “The real goal of gun control supporters is gun confiscation.”
Cox said Clinton’s comments echo recent ones by President Obama, making “very clear” that the underlying goal of gun-control advocates is confiscation.
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"Hillary Clinton just doesn’t get it," Cox said. "The NRA’s strength lies in our five million members and the tens of millions of voters who support the Second Amendment.
"A majority of Americans support this freedom, and the Supreme Court was absolutely right to hold that the Second Amendment guarantees the fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms," he added. "Hillary Clinton's extreme views are completely out of touch with the American people."
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As a reminder, there is no correlation between murder rates and gun ownership/control...

Of course, when someone points out the lack of a correlation here, gun-control advocates are quick to jump in and say "but you didn't control for this" and "you didn't control for that." That's true. But what I do show here is that the situation is much more complicated than one would think from absurd claims like "states with fewer guns have fewer murders" and so on. Apparently, claims that new gun laws are commonsensical can't be true if the relationship between gun laws and murder rates require us to adjust for half a dozen different variables. In fact, by looking at the data, I could imagine any number of other factors that might be more likely a determinant of the murder rate than gun ownership.
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As we noted previously, The Democratic Party's focus on guns has drawn fierce criticism from Republican White House hopefuls, who largely say mental health, and not gun control, is the correct policy response. They say Democrats are using the shootings to roll back Second Amendment rights.
Meanwhile, just like in 2012, the threat of more gun control is having just the opposite effect of what the president intends, and as we reported earlier this week, gun sales are soaring in the aftermath of the most recent cluster of shootings. In fact, "gun sales this year could surpass the record set in 2013, when gun purchases surged after the December 2012 Sandy Hook murders."
In the first nine months of this year, 15.6m of the background checks needed to purchase guns from federally licensed sellers have been processed, compared with the 15.5m applications in the same period in 2013, according to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
Why the surge? Simple: "Once the public hears the president on the news say we need more gun controls, it tends to drive sales,” said Mr Hyatt, who owns one of the largest gun retailers in the US. "People think, if I don’t get a gun now, it might be difficult to get one in the future. The store is crowded."
Because if you want something to be truly broken, just invite the government to "fix" it. Which is not to say that everyone is a loser - two clear winners from Obama's repeated attempts to enforce gun control are shown in the chart below.
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100 ton drop? Sweet.
RIPS
TJ FTW
No, please don't do that.
Vote for what you believe in. Voting is a long-term game, if you don't give votes to your ideas this year, there will be no politicians there to receive them next. That is how we got here, that is what a 2-party system is intended to do, channel the voters into two categories. Do you really think our owners care who wins any race? They controlled the question, meaning they don't have to care about the answer.
I voted Republican almost always in the past, because I perceived them to be more fiscally conservative than Democrats. I consider myself to be just right of center. But no politicians are just right of center, not most Republicans and no Democrats. John F. Kennedy would today be considered a right wing radical. Amazing. I voted for Bob Barr when McCain was running. Voted for Perot when he was running. You get this "your vote will be wasted" by the sheeple out there. Well, they wasted their votes, didn't they? And the Republicans can waste as much money as the best left wing Marxist democrat. I guess it will be Trump, only because the Republicans don't like him. From here until election I will ignore anything on TV or MSM, because I know the game plan will be to get Trump out. From here on out, you can't believe ANYTHING you see or hear on MSM. Lies rule.
The elections are not real and they are rigged. SC and AZ reeelcting McCain and Graham are two of endless examples. 2012 adn probably 2008 and probably 2000 and 2004.
Elections are not real.
Vote Thundercunt 2016 (said nobody, ever)
hahaha
Carl: it's interesting you say that. Once-upon-a-time I swore an oath to this United States of America and the Constitution of the same. I DID NOT swear allegiance to the government, nor any political party. I still believe in this country and that Constitution. All I can say to that Bitch is: Molon Labe.
Been a single issue voter of 2nd Amendment. All else is bullshit. Never going to get better.
Forget all the fancy statistics. Sixty years ago everyone had guns. My high school had a gun club. Sears sold guns. There wasn't much in the way of crime or mass shootings.
Then LBJ came along with mass socialism and welfare. We can see the mess now and had nothing to do with people owning guns. It had everything to do with the alientation that comes with Socialism.
It is hard to believe now,but in the 1950s and early 60s I understand that it was legal to bring guns abroad flights in the US!
"My high school had a gun club."
Mine, too. Totally forgot about that. We also had a "smoking lounge". Ah, those were the days.
My son recently moved up from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts (6th grade- which means typical age 11-12). They still have a Marksmanship badge. 22 Long Rifle, fire 5 groups of 3 rounds from 50 feet, all hits have to be able to be covered by a Quarter. This is using iron sights, mind you. Not as easy to do as it sounds if you're used to firing a scoped rifle.
The Boy Scouts take on handing a firearm:
"Unless a rifle is handled incorrectly or recklessly, it is not dangerous. A rifle, like any other precision instrument, is manufactured to perform a specific task and can do so at no risk to the user or others. By earning this badge, Scouts can develop their shooting skills while learning safe practices."
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/Merit...
Idaho Falls High School had a pistol and .22 rifle range in the basement.
Max Keiser's alma mater, just north of New York City, had a .22 rifle range in the basement.
As far as I'm aware, it was shut down due to expense of lead cleanup. The riflery course was offered as a gym elective, and counted as a intra-semester gym credit.
Growing up in the late 50s, early 60s, there used to be all kinds of places to range shoot for free and were sponsored by the NRA. I almost never had to buy .22LR for my J. C. Higgins (Sears) bolt action rifle since rounds were being handed out like candy - to 12 year old kids! Funny how nobody ever got hurt that I can remember. Of course we were, in our minds, doing our part to prepare in case Khrushchev or Castro were sighted trying to sneak up Route 13.
And while antidepressants were around back then, widespread prescripton SSRI abuse wasn't.
Coincidence?
Its got fuck all to do with the guns, and everything to do with the Rx induced state of mind of the people holding the guns.
Easy meat.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/06/27/american-gestapo-agency-he...
Fuck that whore, I got nothing for sale.
Mandatory buy back program? Is that supposed to make it sound like gun owners are getting something fungible in return for losing their right to protect themselves? It's kind of like a rapist saying "Really, this is merely a mandatory intimacy session."
This is just stupid bravado and she knows it. I live within 25 miles of Walmart and Tyson HQs, in Arkansas. There would be an absolute bloodbath trying to enforce such an idea, around here. The cops sure as hell wouldn't be willing to go door to door to make the 'violators comply'. You'd need military. If a mere one percent of the population refused to comply[a large chunk of which would be military themselves], you'd have 3 million people in open revolt.
This is merely stirring the pot. They can never disarm the US population and they well know it. You boys should feel silly getting worked up about it. This nation was founded with the notion of a well armed pissed off population that the government should be afraid of. They can try all they want, but that is just burnt into our nationalistic psyche.
It should be one thing you are still proud of. The original programers installed the code to take up arms and revolt whenever we get REALLY pissed off. Of that? There is no other nation on the planet with such a deep seated default setting. It's normally against the grain when setting up government.
I'm also getting a little tired of the conformists amongst you of assuming all gay men are weak, golfing psychophants that don't know how to pull their nuts out. I'd suspect half that bluster and blow, up on here, haven't seen their nuts without the aid of a mirror in years. You'd be very wrong. Those who survive a society's scorn and find a way to thrive tend to be one of society's toughest groups. You need to quit taking the MSM version on it. Can't tell you how many marines I know who suck a dick. Many gay men are gay because they don't want to be some woman's bitch.
downvote me all you want.... but when your 'bitch' tells you no? you either comply or get divorced and pay child support.
Pussy. If you like cocks, just SAY you like cocks. For fucks sake, don't blame a woman for it.
"Oh, this fat dick in my mouth? No, no I'm not a homo, my girlfriend just bitched at me today for not taking out the trash, so I thought I could really use a pint of man-juice to make me feel better."
I'm not attacking you for being gay. I'm ridiculing you for being a coward and blaming a woman for it.
No, I gave up on pussy, years ago. I'm totally gay. One big ole chainsaw wielding, sheep and chicken killing.. maybe a batch of kittens if they show up in the barn..... own all my lands and assets and don't give a shit homo...
i was merely suggesting that most of these anti fag boys up on this site that are always bitching? say yes' ma'am to their bitch in cheif.... and should tone it down a bit.
Yikes. Ok, three quick observations.
1. I can be a total bitch (especially when I'm scared or injured) and my man has no problem at all handling me at my very worst. No problem at all.
2. Killing a batch of kittens in your barn does not make you tough or manly. Putting them in a box and finding them a home, might. But men don't have to prove anything to anyone.
3. I seriously doubt anyone here gives a crap who you screw, as long as your point is valid. (Or your comments are entertaining.) But I'm not the Comment Stasi Overlord, so really you can post any crap you like, until Tyler says No Mas.
So you are in the meth capital of the Americas(NW AR, beautiful country, hot as hell itself, and tons of money) and a sodomite as well. Congrats. One question.
Have any nation's citizens ever been disarmed?
Many nations have been disarmed. I won't ask you if you have ever done your wife or girl in the ass.. or at least asked.
The difference with this country is, it was written into our charter. Thomas Jefferson[i must add he was a very small shy man whith an extremely high voice as was written about] and some others made a different kind of government.
The genius of those men is exactly what the modern powers are so befuddled with dealing with. You have the one nation that has had the most powerful economy for 140 years incubated wtih a natural hate for rule. It is unnatrual to the rest to go against the grain. hating fags. hating immigrants, hating people who try to tell them what to do.
Americans will never be disarmed by their government. They have been REPEATEDLY warned by their government NOT TO. Be it Lincoln saying we would never be invaded but by within or Eisenhower talking about the MIC.
We're a very hateful society. We hate each other, a LOT. hate the Irish, the catholics, the jews, the niggers, the chinese, the mexicans, the gays.... but, we're an equal opportunity kind of hate society. and what we hate the most? is being told what to do. that is the conundrum that the rest of the world has been trying to figure out how to undo, for 200 plus years. and they cant'. the men that started this nation were very bright.
Agree with everything but your second sentence(I'm asexual in the bachelor till the rapture sense.), and the first sentence of the fourth paragraph(to a degree). They will not stop coming for our guns, and we will have to remain ever vigilant against them.
It doesn't matter if they are guns, swords or words. All are used against tyrants and powers over masses. Religions first figured it out by telling you that you would die and get munched on in flames for eternity, if you didn't do what they say. The Us was partially formed by religious rebels who thought differently.
The United States is STILL the only nation on the planet that has a totality of a population that is not based on any one religion, ethnicity or any other homogenous grouping. We've openly hated on each other since inception. We've always rallied around each other like the big brother who doesn't want anyone else beating up his sibling.
I firmly believe that the powers that be in this world have yet to completely get a firm grip of understanding of what America is. I love learning history and there is no other case like ours in all of recorded.
As far as disarming us? Would gays give up their guns to be executed by the religious? Would the mexicans give up their guns to be killed or rolled over by the white folks in states with mexican names? Would the blacks in inner cities give up their guns and assume that whitey cops always had their best interest in mind? Hell NO!
It's fucking American to not trust anyone else and do what you can to get along. Not even the die hard liberals actually trust the rich folks in the government. THAT'S THE TRUE AMERICAN WAY.
Quit making me upvote you. :) BTW, for whatever its worth. One of my favorite fighters against the world's evil right now is Milo Y aka @NERO.
you can't kill an idea, Finn. you can blow out a candle, but you can't blow out a fire. ...the wind just makes it higher.
The interesting thing about how this pendelum will swing back the other way is that it will be in smaller hetereogenous goups as opposed to homogenous groups. Good luck next time, new world order. maybe, next time we will get it right.
Kind of like family. I can torment my brother but you better leave him the fuck alone.
Also likes killing sheep, chickens and kittens with a chainsaw.
The country needs another lying, cheating Cunt-on as much as it needs another term with the lying, cheating fudgepacker....
You know what cankles is up too.
1st, Eff off to your down voters, commie rat leftist treasonous tyrants.
2nd. I'm trying to understand this. To "buy" something implies a voluntary exchange between someone who is "willingly" selling something (good or service) and another person who is "willingly" buying what the other is selling.
So, how on earth can a "buy-back" be "mandatory?"
Oh, wait. I forgot. Since Obammie the Commie took over and FORCED every American to purchase health insurance in order to remain legally free from incacertation (remember, EVERY law has the threat of an agent with a badge and a gun to arrest you for violating the law) and in an economy where corporations can sell stock, borrow money from the discount window in order to re-purchase their own stcoks at ZIRP on the hope that, if the market rises, they can resell that stock at a profit -- in such a climate, there is no longer such an economy as "voluntary exchanges."
Everything is coerced, forced, manipulated or penalized.
So, Hitlery wants to enforce "mandatory buy-backs?"
OK. Start with her armed bodyguards.
After...and ONLY after...she roams around without armed protection should the American citizen even think there may be some altruistic element to her anti-2nd Amendment stance.
But even after considering that, Americans must never, EVER give up theri firearms.
As Jefferson said, the best reason to have an armed citizeny is to prevent tyranny in government.
Hitlery is the perfect example of the tyrant our Founding Fathers warned us about and against whom they enshrined in our Bill of Rights our God-given right to protest, speak, argue and ultimately defense ourselves.
I get the argument for guns: to protect from the tyrranny of governments.
I'm just wondering.. if the government really wanted to take your stuff, what good is any weapon really?
If you look at the chart, it's states with a lot of blacks that have high gun violence. We need negro control, not gun control.
Gonna head to the store and buy some more ammo this week. Statements like Clinton's just bring the next civil war closer. Let's get it on! Rat-a-tat-tat. I've got somethin' for ya, gimmiedat!
And when it happens. it will happen fast.
A lot of people would die in a very short amount of time. Besides gun ownership in Aus is higher now than before their stupid mandatory buyback.
Besides gun ownership in Aus is higher now than before their stupid mandatory buyback.
Details? Stats?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-reloads-as-gun-amnesties-fail-t...
Thank you!
Since Australia banned semiautomatic rifles, shotguns and pump action shotguns the gun crime rates have skyrocketed throughout the country.
Many former gun owners blame the government and their gun control laws for the increases in crimes. They feel helpless in their own homes, unable to protect themselves. In fact, home invasions were so rare prior to the gun ban that the nation did not even have a legal definition for what a home invasion was.
http://godfatherpolitics.com/8975/australian-gun-ban-resulted-in-higher-...
http://conservativevideos.com/thousands-of-guns-confiscated-and-destroye...
I think most Americans will turn them in... bullets first.
All the progressives and government people must own a lot of stock in gun and ammo manufacturing companies. This is so reliable, they make a speech and the price of stocks go up.
The armaments industry should push for civilian purchases, then they could run the same game with big stuff like tanks and airplanes. Our billionaries would love those.
I am in favor of civilian purchases of heavy weaponry. The Second Amendment makes no distinctions between different grades of weapon. If you want to buy an F-16 or a howitzer, it would appear that black-letter law is on your side. It would require some notable legislation and Supreme Court victories, however, to establish the practice.
On the broader issue, I just don't understand why anybody would think gun control will work. The right to bear arms isn't just about law-abiding people defending themselves from criminals (although that is an important part of it), it is first and primarily about war, about maintaining a state of military readiness. As long as there are human beings, there will be wars and the need to prepare for them. And, according to the natural law, violence is not the exclusive prerogative of the state, contrary to the curious claim that's often repeated today. Everybody has the right to defend their life and property against an aggressor. These two facts taken in conjunction mean that people will always arm themselves regardless of what some government somewhere has to say about it.
Gun control is entirely a paper project. It is a de facto nonstarter.
Were civilians able to buy the heavy stuff, it would drive the prices down.
Innovation would rise.
Governments would get better hardware at lower prices.
The People would have less to fear from ther own governments.
That seems like a win win situation to me.
Yeah, I know. Can't have that.
/s
I support civilian ownership of any military hardware that the US .gov would sell to any foreign nation. Having recently purchased an M1078 from Uncle Sam (paid less than 10% of taxpayer MSRP for a vehicle with 700 miles on it), I was STUNNED to learn that the armored vehicles cannot be sold to US citizens, but only to the 'EXPORT' market. Cuz the ragheads need some up-armored US vehicles . . . more than citizens. As if the US citizens can't armor their own vehicles. . .
http://www.laststandsurvivalgear.com/
The end is pretty fucking nigh when services like this start popping up . . .
After WWI, many British officers took home artillery and ammunition. That was a major factor in setting up defense as WWII ramped up.
You can buy .50.
How much bigger can you afford?
I don't think they DO think gun control will work. They are doing it for other reasons,
One, is for the pure divisiveness of it like everything else they do.
The second, is that they KNOW they can't confiscate the immense numbers of guns in existence, and are doing this as a means of reinforcing their image of the right wing extremist, who will now truly be living outside the law. This provides them cover to do ANYTHING they wish. Not only will they be able to arrest and imprison at will, but it will be a significant "silencing" of those who do refuse to capitulate to the law. We are already afraid to self identify as being armed for fear of future actions. Who amongst us gun owners will be publicly protesting their confiscation or anything else?
A couple of years ago, my state was going to pass some laws to make our reporting on mental illness, criminal history, etc... match the federal standards for background checks. There were protestors on the steps of the Roundhouse (legislative building) with rifles slung. It didn't pass.
And I don't think gun confiscation would pass in Congress either, but as things are going, the Constitutional path isn't currently the preferential path. My point is that IF a law were put in place that outlawed private gun ownership, few would be publically protesting it. Hell many won't admit they own guns now, and many here warn of "loose lips" and NSA surveillance. If we are afraid they are monitoring our posts and emails, how many will be carrying their guns in peaceful protest marches? Once guns become visible on the streets, they will likely be audible as well.
Right now, I'd be more worried about DHS taking guns during a state of emergency like Katrina. I wish I could find it again, but a few years ago, I saw a video where a guy in the Army had snuck a video camera into a briefing about what their role would be during something like a Katrina. He asked the officer giving the breifing point blank "will we be ordered to conficate guns?" and the officer replied "No, DHS will be doing that." How true that is, I don't know, but if you ever find yourself in the middle of a disaster area, keep your eyes and ears open.
Violence is not the exclusive prerogative of the state. It is not even a prerogative of the state. It is only a prerogative of the people for whom the State is to act as proxy.
How 'bout this Hil, we'll give you the bullets first. Right in your lizard eyes.
Wow, democrats do seem to love that government mandated commerce. I wonder how they'll try to sell the "freedom to disarm yourself"
Does anyone think that SCOTUS will not support gun control? They have been able to pervert logic to support every other attack on our INDIVIDUAL constitutional rights.
Who gives a shit? SCOTUS is just another lacky of the tyrants. They haven't made a ruling based upon the words of the constitution in many a decade.
As long as there are mosquito's, Americans will have guns.
Americans are scared of anything that moves :)
No way they'll give away their guns!
Unless you would give them their weight in hamburgers if they do....
Maybe I should start to go long on McDonalds...
But I don't think there's enouh cows in the world to actually convert that weiht into hamburgers...
We won at Release the Belgium twice last century because a well regulated (trained) militia knows how to use firearms effectively.
I don't remember seeing many rattlesnakes in Belgium, but then I didn't go visit the
european parliament, so its not real;y the same SD.gators either.
As opposed to the average European, who gets most of their protein from Arab semen.
So that was your first tought... you're gay or a troubled gay he?
Did you already come out of the closet?
There is a difference between "scared" and caution. I understand most euro's willingly gave up their natural human right of personal self-defense BY ANY MEANS against anything or one without so much as a whimper.
That was your call, stupid as it was ;-)
Don't expect the same thing here.
The compliance rates are really, really awful in NY and CT. If it isn't working there, it won't work in the rest of the country.
Great point. No way TX, FL, SC, etc. are going to turn in their guns to Hillary & Co.
Same with gold.
Guarantors of Liberty.
I'm not so sure about SC. Their Governor Darling Nikki already gave up on their flag and caved in to the Black Lives Matters criminals....
I'm not sold on Nikki, but I know a little about the SC locals. They aren't giving up their guns. It will take considerable incremental tyranny to push them over the edge, but make no mistake, there is edge there.
Uh, if you piss us off, we will start a war, even against a Union with all the factories while we were running the blockade with munitions from England.
The last few gun shows I have been to have been all asses and elbows....
We know what's coming, and it ain't just deer season.
My old Guard unit traces its history directly back to Francis Marion. In fact, one of his hideouts was not far from one of my residences.
I'll never forget when our Top asked us why did we have the SA. His answer: to defend the Constitution against Tyranny from within or without.
The glassy-eyed bitch is just testing the waters with that remark.
Or playing Kabuki theater because she thinks she needs to pander to the base. These fuckers have to know that they are less trusted than ever, and that there is a much harder red line than there was when the AWB passed under Bill Clinton. They also have to know that ordering the military to do something like going around confiscating would cause the military to tear itself apart. They also have to know that if they crossed that line, there is a real possibility that they might get caught by a militia, given a tribunal and hanged. A lot of gun owners who did obey the AWB back then won't do so today. The trust is gone, and it has been driven home that not one more inch should be given, because they'll just keep on taking more and more.
most of your comments here at ZH are quite informative and thoughtful
this one is a lot of crap, based on media caricatures, which are pushed for political and social engineering agendas.
shame on you. you should know better than to take what the media tells you at face value.
ANYBOBY ELSE WANT TO VOLUNTEER FOR PEOPLES COURT, FIRING SQUAD?
Clinton will never be president... Bammy can 'splain why in 20 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u0X7KpKKus&t=54s
Dear DHS,
I have no guns, ammo or pm's. I am a pacifist and just want to give peace a chance. So don't waste your time with me.
Thanks,
Compliant Citizen #104,705, 816
You comment on ZH. 10 years, gulag, with a trip to gulag in 'RESCUE' MRAP/full frontal assault from friendly neighborhood SWAT team.
I made Bill a cheese sandwich, once. He bit into it and showed it to me, and it resembled a gun. I became angry, and beat the shit out of him. Oh, those heady times back in Little Rock sure were FUN!
Thanks for giving us your number. A local DHS representative may come out to your house to verify your story.
Hillary
Dear Hillary,
I am enclosing my check for $125,000, made out to the Clinton Foundation, and putting it the mail now.
Hugs and Kisses,
Loyal Voter
p.s. - i do not think those pantsuits you wear make your butt look all that big.
Democrats. The greatest gun salesmen EVER. They can pat themselves on the backs for consistently driving gun sales to record highs.
Just watch, the shelves of all gun stores in the US will be empty in a week, and guns will be backordered for the next year.
It's funny how a few anti gun people get more news coverage than gun owners. Reality? The biggest anti gun group, Brady Campaign (formerly Handgun Control Inc) gets about $8 million a year in contributions.
The NRA? In 2013. they got $348 million in revenue. (That's up $92 million from 2012)
Guess who the politicians REALLY listen to?
Anyone who believes that it is physically possible to separate law abiding citizens from their weapons is clearly too stupid to be president.
Stupid doesn't purchase 1.6 billion rounds and issue tanks to local police. No, stupid shoots at the SWAT team coming to take his weapons. Statistically, that has got to be the most reliable way to get oneself killed. Kind of a no-brainer to me.
I have no illusions about fighting off our military or even police. Its about self defense, and I have always assumed that to be primarily typically criminals or eventually the zombies in the streets from a complete financial breakdown....or civil war. That being said, I DO think that there is NO HARM in our government and its PAID enforcers being acutely aware of the risk of imposing their force over us. THEY WILL THINK TWICE.
Sometimes we must accept consequences, and the consequence of standing for your rights might well end you. Traditionally, I think this was done, this self sacrifice for principle, for our children and their future. I believe this is the foundation of everything we perceive as our liberties today. They did not just happen, they were not granted by God, they were sacrificed and died for by our forefathers.
Their battle for liberty may have ended up in the win column for most of us, but for many of them, it was death.
We need to understand what winning is. Most who have even the smallest clue see the cost as being way to high. If we fail to preserve liberty, it will be because "we the people" decided the cost was too high.
? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
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https://archive.org/details/GulagArchipelagoComplete
The typical SWAT no-knock is fucking amateur hour. You get a motivated family who has done a little advanced prep, and they will shred the SWAT team before the illegal entrants get inside. Once inside, pre-planning should turn that home into a death zone. You want those fuckers inside. That's where you introduce them to fire, electricity, and anything else that goes bzzzt or bang.
Look at the vid below, the morons congregate for 10 seconds outside the front door before the ram is applied. It takes 20 seconds until they enter the house. Lord knows how many minutes it took them to even get to front step. In 20 seconds, a motivated response would bring enfilade down on all those fuckers, and be counting down to the grand finale for anyone who's still standing to enter the house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUahTD5IBXU
And when they lose radio contact, their superiors will say "Oh well, I guess we tried!" Don't doubt for a sec that Bammy can be as ruthless on "domestic" 'ists as Russia is on ISIS. Just trying to be realistic.
Whether by SWAT, UN, Spetsnaz, tanks, drones or airstrikes, I think what I wrote was accurate... and I (for one) do value my life.
I think you are wrong. If the SWATTED team couldn't be reached, then a hard assessment must take place, including weighing the probabilities that all have been killed and that a larger, superior force awaits any second wave. Not to mention the politics associated with such a militarized escalation following the SWATTED team getting their asses completely kicked. How many militias would be in their vehicles, weapons loaded, within 10 minutes of such news going national? The probability of it becoming a much larger confrontation must be calculated. And if you are family that just kicked ass, it's time to bug out to hide #2.
> Sometimes we must accept consequences, and the consequence of standing for your rights might well end you.
I can't think of a poorer bargain; a dead man has no rights.
> Traditionally, I think this was done, this self sacrifice for principle, for our children and their future. I believe this is the foundation of everything we perceive as our liberties today.
What kind of liberty enslaves generation after generation to spill its blood? Each sacrifice larger and more horrific than the last? It's a price that demands payment over and over, and never says 'enough'. There is no winning, only more death. If children walk in the ways of their fathers, I will not leave a legacy of killing, even if it costs my life.
I would rather be a slave with a free conscience than a "free man" with blood on my hands. That is something I will stand for, and accept the consequences for.
My comment was arrogant, but not inaccurate.
If pacifism was a successful way of life, we would have abandoned war long ago. While there is little doubt war is used to advance collective power, its roots always lie in oppression and the use of violence on the individual level. Life has always been about competition, that when push comes to shove, typically results in violence. Even trees in the forest attempt to out grow and force their competition into subjugated shade. It sucks we can't seem to get beyond this, but to ignore it is as dangerous as to ignore our economics and everything else that threatens us. Ultimately it is our choice. Maybe someday pacifism will win out. Maybe pacifism can be achieved through gun control....removing our ability to kill, or it might just enable the free conscience freedom of slavery you hope for.
One man's success is another man's failure.
Guess I can 'spect to be dvoted for pacifism at fight club :/
You dont win a war by dying for your cause. You win a war by making your enemy die for his. Can you imagine a fat tyrant running for his life, only for that life to end in with a splash of blood followed by a gurgle and a soft croak?
Unless you are shooting from the flank while coming to the aid of your neighbor.
I can't help but think all this is just another stupid ass diversion (aside from something uber-progs have always had wet dreams over) to form another narrative, instead of talking about the Clinton Foundation, the national debt, the trade imbalance, Benghazi, running government information through her private server, ObamaCare, open borders (unless you're legal...lol), Vince Foster, Russian reset buttons etc...ad nauseum.
Sorry I ain't playin, molon labe bitch.
You mean... wipe it clean with a cloth?
H. Clinton
It depends on what the meaning of the word 'IS' is
B. Clinton
Masters of the English language no doubt.
The media plays right along with the anti-gun paradigm...I lmao at them talking about Sandy Hook or movie theaters that are gun free zones.
Thats all the proof of how stupid they are that anyone needs.
When's the last time someone tried to commit mass murder at a police station or outside a gun show or in Compton? ;-)
The graph seems to show that The states with the lowest percentage of blacks have the lowest murder rates.
OUCH!
Quiz: what do Jamaica,Nigeria and Trinidad have in common?
British Protectorates?
The best places to score Ganja?
Women with wooden plates in their mouths to stretch their lower lips (and that let their pendulous, sagging breasts hang out in front of everyone, nipples pointing straight down)?
Voodoo?
O.K., I give up. WHAT?
Lots of stupid niggers that think their shit doesn't stink. And it does.....foul stench....
Unfounded pride and arrogance abounds. Idiots run the places.
Annnnnnd,......a total gun ban, which means only criminals have them
Mark Passio: The True Meaning And Purpose Of The Second Amendment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diz-8FzHOLM
Ms. Rodham:
GO, TO, HELL. FUCK YOU. COME HERE AND TRY TO TAKE IT. YOU, PERSONALLY, HILLARY.
I'm old enough to remember WHY you were kicked off of the Watergate Investigation, you miserable degenerate cunt.
Of course the effing biotch would say I just said look into it, not that I am for it .But this is a prime example that if you take her away from her advisors, her true colors will flow
It's also the primaries that she's campaigning for. She's probably trying to convince a few of the uber-progressives to vote for her instead of Bernie. If she makes it into the general election, her tune will change.
Hand in your guns. Bombs are better than guns anyway.
What guns ?
There are no official records of me purchasing my armory.
Probably many more like me who saw this coming.
What's an 'armory'?
I've never heard that word before.
In Kal-i-foh-niah, they are introducing legislation to mandate background checks in order to purchase ammunition, so I feel 'more saferer' than I used to, because guys like you who purchase 'armories' (whatever THEY are) can't fight against/threaten/become domestic terrorists against the ones who have your 'true best interests' at heart; our TRUE MASTERS (like Jeb{tm} and Hillary{tm} and Monsanto{tm} and General Electric{tm}).
Frankly, Mr. Churchill, I'd take this tidbit of news as a warning (if you are a 'stacker', whatever THIS word means). Sportsman's Warehouse is selling 150 rd. boxes of 62 gr. 'LAP' (green tip, USMILSPEC M855 NATO 5.56) for $69.95.
More effective too, a diesel fuel and nitrogen fertilizer mixed right placed in a hole with a 9 volt battery and steel wool can do wonders to a tank once it is run over and sparks, no trace of the perpetrator either.
Its a shame then that ammonium nitrate fertilizer now has calcium added to prevent such an occurence.
Nitropril is only available to mining companies and involves copious amounts of paperwork and identification, unless you know an old farmer who has a stash.
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Couple of items...
Congress' Benghazi probe not aimed at Clinton, lawmaker sayshttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/18/us-usa-election-benghazi-idUSK...
... I went to Marthas Vineyard this weekend to celebrate a milestone birthday of a friend. POTUS likes to vacation there and I occasionally do too. Most of the summer shops are closed for the season and at several I asked how things went when he was there. The first vacation he took was a bit rough for the resdidents but the next time things went very smoothly for the residents and business owners. Even on the golf course. He kept a low and unobtrusive profile that was appreciated by them.
THEN: This year the Clintons went over while he was there...
The business owners and residents were (and still are, especially the women business owners) bullshit mad as the entire place was shut down for HILLZ and BILLZ to join in presidential festivities. I can assure you that it will not be forgotton next election.
Knew the cartoonist wouldn't have the balls to make the criminal a black guy.
These Pure Evil Criminal Psychopaths / Sociopaths will never understand that The American People will never, ever voluntarily give up their arms. Howver, we will gladly give them the Bullets first.
the pic forgot to add in the militarized police state officers to beat your ass
The country has changed since the Clintons blessed us with Waco and Ruby Ridge.
The little "dot chart" tells a story: The higher the percentage of negros in a given state, the higher the murder rate is {crime in general is higher}. We don't need gun control, WE NEED NEGRO CONTROL. Guns and negros mix like whiskey and Indians.
They weren't brought to the US to shoot firearms, and we've got machines to pick the cotton and rice.
Waiting for the NRA to form well regulated militias to put the ky-baush on the 2nd amendment discussions.
You could be waiting a while. The NRA usually rolls over for the "prudent" politicians eventually. They aren't fighting for constitutional carry.
They need to adopt the same strategy as the gun control lobby. Ask for an inch, get an inch and take a fucking mile. Getting constitutional carry would require a constituional amendment, because as of now, that's up to each individual state. That's not a mile you're asking for there, it's a fucking 100 mile ultra-marathon.
Constitutional carry does not require an amendment. Read the 2nd. It protects the right tokeep and BEAR arms. Words can only do so much. They don't stop tyrants from trying to exercise power that is not rightfully theirs and there is no way to resist these encroachments without cost. Everyone is waiting for the trigger to revolt and it will never come because it has already passed.
I wonder how many cops would be stupid enough to try and enforce some trash like that? I'd bet it would last, oh, maybe two days before you couldn't get one of them to leave the station.
It would be the first time a SWAT team in their area was either disarmed or wiped out in their general vicinity. But this would be federal. Local cops would be all over the map on what their response to this kind of action would be. One Sheriff a couple of counties over has already stated not that he would not enforce unconstitutional gun laws, but that he would prevent them from being enforced, and he said this publically. I've never met him, but I know his brother. If shit really starts to go south on this issue, I'm going to see if I can have a discussion with him on what constitutional really means vs what we've all been told what it means.
I recently returned from a trip to Australia. During a 4 hour layover in Sydney I bumped into a couple of Aussie Federal Police (sorta like FBI here) patrolling the airport. We ended up talking for 30 minutes about gun control, Ferguson and what happened in Oz with the 1996 gun ban. The guys were cool and spoke freely about the gun ban being the worst idea in Australian history. The interesting part of the conversation was that the sale of 4" PVC pipe with two end caps skyrocketed at Bunnings warehouse (Home Depot). There were over a million AR15 sold in Australia, the mandatory gun buyback brought in 600,000. Both of the FP's said they buried their guns in the backyard too. :)
Another interesting comment was that they both expect the economy and society to collapse any day. They said Australia was too small to weather a financial storm and survive. The government spending is out of control and the taxes are far too high. They said they get a raise and then a new tax the same week.
Not sure an AR15 will fit in a 4" pipe. But this story will get me to Home Depot tomorrow to see what I can find.
schedule 40 or better PVC, 6" diameter, threaded ends, caps, sealant, and dessicant bags. You can also vacuum seal items in a food vacuum packer, with dessicant bags in there as well. Vacuum pack ammo and mags as well. Zcorr bags are really nice.
I think it will if you disassemble it.
Australia too small. Ha! That is funny.
So N. Z. with just 4 million people has no chance. Yeah right.
That explains why everyone wants to get to Godzone, where the police do not carry guns, and the population has ceded the right to shoot in self - defence to the Armed Offenders Squad.
Anyone remember when police were the public protectors?
Well we still have it here.
We just do not let the loonies own guns, and everyone else has to have a locked armoury if they want to own guns.
Works for us , but no way it could work in U.S.S.A.
I'm sure I can't be the only one who realises that gun control in America won't be imposed by banning guns or Executive Orders although they may play a part. It'll be imposed by laws which control the importation and sale of ammo only to licenced gun owners. Without ammo a gun is useless.
Making it illegal to sell or distribute ammo to anybody who hasn't got a licence is not that difficult. Add to that any company manufacturing ammo will have to be licenced.
Before long there'll be a lot of gun owners without ammo and Obola will be laughing his head off at having smashed another piece of the Constitution.
Without ammunition, a 'gun' is nothing more than a stick.
BUY AS MUCH AS YOU CAN, WHILE YOU CAN STILL BUY IT.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I believe regulating ammo or poweder etc would be "infringing" on the 2nd.
And reserve it. Practice on the enemy.
There will also be a whole lot of dead cops/agents/guardsmen.
I respectfully suggest they shove their license and permit requirements for guns and ammo up their asses. Then, they need to make room for every knife they have unlawfully restricted.
Folks are going to hand over their gold too.
ROFL
Molon Labe
Are 'GunFreeZone' placards part of the buy back program?
Spend 40 million dollars training terrorists how to kill and destroy,,, drop 50 tons of weapons / ammo in the middle of a desert for a bunch of stinking terrorists raping and plundering , then tell their citizens to turn in their weapons.
up yours baby...
ALL IN A DAY'S WORK, for the multitasking politicians.
Being able to promote the enslavement of a nation's populace while using their own 'media', and making them accept (and even LOVE) it?
PRICELESS!
Goldman Sachs...
(What's in YOUR wallet?)
You forgot giving Iran $150 Billion to arm more terrorists and finish building their nuke (he signed the agreement today) - while setting the stage to further infringe on citizens rights, disarm them and continue trampling on the Constitution.
They will not get all or most of the guns. Banning the making and sale of ammo and gun powder to the public is much more efficient. The right to bear arms leaves out bullets.
First, have the EPA ban all lead ammo. Second, lay such a prohibitive Federal tax on ammo and reloading supplies, that very few would be able to afford it.
They are working on that already. Some ranges are moving towards green ammo, which either doesn't contain lead, or is total metal jacketed, meaning the lead projectile is completely encase in another metal. It's pretty expensive, and it doesn't allow you to practice with hollowpoints, the round you would carry. Lead for commercially manufactured ammunition I believe is sourced 100% from recycled batteries.
This article is from 2013. http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/122613-684284-epa-gun-control-t...
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I believe regulating ammo or poweder etc would be "infringing" on the 2nd.
They can do all those unlawful things so long as we let them. It is time for more Bundy ranches. When they try to shut downt he ammo factory they need to face the armed people. Ammo dealers should refuse to pay the tax on ammo (it is an infringement upon the right) and, should the fed fuckers try to collect, they should also face the armed people. Resistance won't become easier by waiting.
The right to bear arms didn't have to mention "bullets". The term "Arms" includes ammunition. Notice they didn't say "Guns"
And the reason for the 2nd was for the average citizen to purchase weapons and ammo for service in the state militias when the were active. Back in the days when citizens actually wanted to defend their nation. Of course, in our post constitutional and enlightened era, they have been replaced by our fine standing army that is just itching to confiscate our weapons. I can see why! Hell they couldn't beat the ragtag Afghan militias armed with AK's, I guess they figure maybe they can defeat us if we're disarmed.
Yeah, "Arms" incouldes a lot more than just rifles and ammunition too. The 2nd amendment is so elegant that they (gun control lobby) twist the fuck out of it. They have to. For those fucks, you need to make the language clunky and precise. The 2nd Amendment should outright say that part of the reason for the right of individuals to keep and bear arms is to overthrow a tyrranical government.