I lost count of the contradictions in that simple sentence, "This liberal socialism bullshit is revolting."
I mean, I understand what was being communicated. But liberal and socialist are actually very different things. I would say they are both bullshit, but they aren't the same thing. Only in today's America, with our intentional debauched political vocabulary, could such a sentence be constructed or understood.
And "revolting" should be a verb in this situation, not a gerund (verb used as a noun) or adjective.
Very few classical liberals exist these days, so few in fact that one ends up using the qualifying adjective "classical."
And "revolting" should be a verb in this situation, not a gerund (verb used as a noun) or adjective.
Not to mention reliance on the passive voice. How about, "Those who hate the very people who provide them with valuable goods and services repulse me."
Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.
All those Bible-thumping conservative Christian clergy are terrorists! The Obama administration said so, so it must be true.
As for replacing the cross with a pizza slice symbol, I recall reading just a few days ago that some group of bishops - British, I think - proposed something very similar. Wish I kept a link.
I personally think this list was generated by psychopaths with the intent being to divert attention from the true psychopaths.
It's a special category of people but I would say the biggest group of psychosociopaths I've ever met is lumped under the term "do gooder" or "social activist." God, these people are duplicitous, slimey, cretans.
--these people are duplicitous, slimey, (sic) cretins--
...and they're not even aware of it. in their minds the 'ends justify the means' so they're doing 'god's work' or 'what is right' or pushing the world toward 'how things should be'...
Psychopathy is the most dangerous of all antisocial personality disorders because of the way psychopaths dissociate emotionally from their actions, regardless of how terrible those actions may be.
The vast majority of military people are good (if a bit naive) people - but yes, there are psychopaths in the miliary - and they usually end up in the higher ranks and hang out in places like the Pentagon. As we used to say, "Shit floats"....
Civil Servant should be MUCH higher than #10. Way too many are special little snowflakes who DESERVE your money for sitting at a desk, making your life more difficult for 20 - 30 years, then taking a more or less full-salary retirement with health care once in their 40s.
"they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature."
Normally, the families and other long-term close relationships are fully aware of their real nature but dare not speak for various reasons, primarily fear and Stockholm syndrome. Outsiders, on the other hand, generally don't suspect anything - unless, of course, something gives the whole thing away, or if the victims find the strength to break away or speak up, which can be tough after years of gaslighting.
These psychopaths/sociopathic individuals, who can be men or women, are truly evil.
Let me just say that most of the trigger-pullers are not psychotic, initially anyway.
They're just naive, patriotic children who think they're fighting for their God and their country.
They only become psychotic once a tiny part of their being realizes they've been duped and used- It's at this point that they withdraw into despair, homelessness or worse- or they double down in a futile effort to maintain their self-esteem. Either way: psychos.
Sad, that.
The sociopath is born and bred in the upper classes and thinks nothing of his/her fellow travelers. S/He creates psychopaths by taking advantage of the naive patriots. Works every time.
From what Ive read, psychiatrists & psychologists have different opinions regarding the categories. It seems to me that the term 'sociopath' softens the impact - if only a little bit. 'Sociopath' sounds like someone who uses surface charm & lies to get over on people. 'Psychopath' is about killing people. Compare the suffering caused by a psychopath like Ted Bundy, to the millions murdered at the order of politicians. Its no contest, no matter what you call them.
Example - Evidence has come out that Richard Nixon contacted the North Vietnamese and told them if they didnt make a deal with Johnson, they would get a better deal from him. That stretched out the war for years and caused the deaths of thousands more Americans and many, many more Vietnamese.
Yes, I'd say Nixon was a psychopath. That his motivation was his political ambitions and self aggrandisement, doesnt change that. And it doesnt bring back all those who were killed because of his actions.
> … Banking doesn’t attract psychopaths, it PRODUCES them.
It's just incredible that no one noticed that none of those professions is actually productive, except for #8, "The Surgeon" (i.e. the human body _engineer_) and, maybe, #9 "Le Petit Chef":
Surgeons do not belong on that list. Psychiatrists do
While I agree that Psychiatrists belong on that list, I've read studies that seemed to show that a high percentage of surgeons are psychopaths - where being unable to feel empathy is advantageous. I've seen studies that show that 80% of Oncologists would never take Chemotherapy themselves or prescribe it for someone in their family, yet what is the first thing they rush you into if you have cancer? I know *I* couldn't do that if I were a "doctor"....
The lawyer who looked after my parents legal stuff is a great guy - he'd drive over to the house, and if a witness was required he'd knock on a neighbour's door.
Got on really well with the guy. He gave me some stand out advice.
I fired a chef for repeatedly screwing with a waitress... oops, servers order. I walked him out and he pulled his extremely sharp knife on me. We eyeballed for a few seconds and i said whats your plan? He shrugged and walked off. He was nuts and it could have gone bad for both of us.
I worked with another psycho chef, but we were buds and his psychosis was alcohol related and controlable. ie after hours
I wasn't aware I was a psychopath, but I made # 4...time to start living down to my reputatation.
SillySalesman for President 2016! Who wants to be my running mate? Only fellow psychopaths can apply.
Nothing wrong with being a salesman. We're all salesman. Trouble arises when one uses prevarication to sell an inferior product but assuming that the product is good and that you seek to fit the customer with what he needs then you're fine. This isn't necessarily a moral recommendation but simply a recognition of the fact that return business makes a sales job much easier and more rewarding.
Creating more value does not require stealing anything. It requires management, integrity and respecting the customer. Everything the idiot that made this list knows nothing about. This is a gatekeeper illustrator...the big tells are no politicians or central bankers.
This is trying to insinuate that competition is bad and companies are evil. YES there are some evil fucks out there but to blanket this statement to all is absurd.
Did someone try and comment on my grammar that I couldnt correct in time? WTF man?
Thanks Billy, logicalman and RIPS. I feel better about myself again. I took pride in only representing smaller companies, privately owned, that had quality products and outstanding customer service. My customers appreciated the fact that I never lied to them, that we shipped on time, delivered a quality product, at a fair price and if we made a honest mistake, we took care of it.
Thank you all for responding to my comment above. I just looked up the definition of a psychopath and it encompases many different things that don't necessarily have much in common with one another.
I'm sure that adds to confusion in this article, as each psychopath only considers that which applies to him- or herself.
"a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc."
Some of the aforementioned definition falls under "being an asshole" and some of it falls under finally "realizing that they will work until they die just like all their ancestors did, nothing they do really matters, and all consumerism is a distraction, etc.."
Deathrips - "Ceos give the people options if they are doing their job and creating value."
Not True.
You really think Fiorina layed off 35,000 at HP that were not doing their jobs? You think any large layoffs are due to the employee not doing their jobs well?
Those layoffs happen due to CEO & upper management's failure & greed. The folks at the top are the reason corporations fail or struggle, not the rank and file.
Only psychopaths think, "The company's success is to my credit. The company's failure is due to you, not the leadership, so you're layed off and I get the Fiorina 20 million golden parachute."
I think you will realize something after i show you that the CEOs have no option here. If they don't do it, the board of directors will replace them with someone who will fire 35k people, because if they don't replace the CEO, the board will get voted out by shareholders who want those people fired so that they can cash out when the stock jumps.
See, the decision comes from the shareholders. This lack of personal accountability and distance from the effects of their decisions creates horrible sitations like this.
"Banker" isn't really a job title. The top bankers would fall under the CEO label. CEOs are the most ruthless and immoral of the bankers, the keystone predators, if you will. Just below them, and what would constitue the bulk of what are considered "bankers," are the brokers, traders and investment bankers, which would fall under the Salesperson label. Everyone else working at a bank would be petty bureaucrats and other tenders who feed and groom the CEOs' and salesmens' egos and clean up their shit when they fuck up. Which is often. The bureaucrats are not psychopaths, but contribute their labor for the cause. They work in the service of evil for the good pay and the random abusive treatment that the psychos at the top like to deliver.
I think describing modern American Politicians as 'Civil Servants' is a misnomer considering 99%+ of them serve only themselves and their masters (who are certainly not the 'Public' per se). I see the stats were taken in the UK where said use is more common, however.
In todays world (not some WWII era) who is driving the bus?
Hey... do me a favor and take a look at who (we know) is on the Clinton Foundation list, list of donors to almost any political campaign, etc. Then get back to me. TPTB aren't politicians.
If I hired a seasoned hit man to kill someone would that make me a more prolific killer than he is?
Oh, I see the anti-capitalists are out tonight typing on their corporate built computers and connecting on corporate networks. The amount of envy is incredible. One of the main reasons America is on the ropes is people hate those who provide goods and services which they find valuable while giving a pass to those who provide nothing of value while they pick pockets and shoot children.
Government is supposed to protect against all the things we are seeing now. Insurance, big pharma, big oil, etc. from turning the world into the Hunger Games. Politics is bought and sold by corporate interests (national and international). Any fool knows this. And the people who buy the bullet are as guilty as those who fire it. But, to get to the bottom, FOLLOW THE MONEY. Power and money. Attracts psychopaths and sociopaths. A match made in hell.
So, anti-capitalist is where you are trying to head? Capitalism isn't what is going on. Where have you been for the last handful of years at least? Capitalism died long ago. Heck, it may very well be that it is impossible for it to exist in a pure form.
Reality check here is that whole system is winding down. One massive hedonistic run up into excessive everything now culminating in a collective "oh shit." A free for all is where we are now. Rule of law is broken in plain sight. Theft is status quo.
Government supposedly operates according to the will of the people but does so by using violence against the people. It operates in a way which is contradictory to the stated goal. It's a scam.
How can you possibly believe that you can be protected from theft and violence by those whose sole method of operation is to take your money and threaten you with guns and prisons? That is about as misguided as it gets.
Government is a scam. We agree on that. But, because it is does not mean the corporate side of things does not exist as another problem. They both work in tandem. Corporate interests using the same threat of violence wherein government is a both a tool and enabler. In fact, it is because both systems are flawed that we wind up in this place. I am simply pointing out what should be one the side of government in the same sense of what capitalism is supposed to be (but is not for the same damn reasons... human behavior).
In getting back to the meat and potatoes of the thread, in smaller settings communities do a good job of stopping the mentally ill from progessing because they recognize the danger. In larger settings the predators actually thrive. They are thrust into positions of power because they do what others with scruples will not do. They will more quickly kill. More quickly fuck thier neighbor, lie, cheat, steal, etc. These are the qualities of both politicians and multi-national corporate leadership... and trickling down to mom and pop. As society breaks down (as it is) the behaviour of the street thug and TPTB close in on the middle.
Misguided is thinking one group in power is better or different than other. That any semblance of a free market still exists. The capitalism really can exist any more than socialism for more than a moment. Rather, we just move through them... history repeating. Socialism/facism/etc. as you point out by name in previous response is the end game of a cycle... attempts to redistribute because everything else has failed. Genocide and war follows.
Government is always a scam but many businesses provide you with valuable products and services at a good price. The only way to feed, cloth and house more poor people is to increase production and lower costs. That is what a successful business does. A successful government is one that is better at stealing and threatening. Therefore I have a problem with those who blame the ills of the world on business and businessmen.
Eliminate government and any businessmen with bad intent no longer have anyone to bribe. Problem solved.
Misguided is thinking one group in power is better or different than other. That any semblance of a free market still exists. The capitalism really can exist any more than socialism for more than a moment. Rather, we just move through them... history repeating.
You are an individual with the power (and likely the desire) to act ethically. It does you no good to stand on the mountain top and eschew action while contemplating all possible ills of the world. Take stock in your own talents and desires and make your corner of the world a better place. To do otherwise is to be misguided.
And there is where we find common ground. Cool. I agree. And I act accordingly. FWIW, I am private sector. Slugging it out.
Where we seem to miss is that no system is perfect. There is no utopia. This is not an excuse but rather recognition that our future will have to depend on shaking hands with the gorilla in the room. Not thinking that one system is right and another is wrong. But rather we need to advance in our understanding of how and why we keep repeating history. Freewill is a motherfucker. And so are ethics. A regular paradox.
Nothing is perfect and I don't make that claim. I am a recovered nihilist so I'm aware of the pitfalls of negativity and envy. I see too much of that around here these days. I'm glad we found that common ground.
+1. The nihilist trap is attractive. But, I have kids. I would not do that to them. Likewise, I don't believe in giving way to negative thoughts. Heck, I am getting more involved each day in my community. Now stepping up to US&R for both first and second responder roles.
Reality is another thing and trying to seperate the two is hard. I admittedly struggle with it. I think most of who are here talking do. Is a fine line. Hard to watch the world turn to fast on it's ear. See you around... good talking with you today. Really. I can be a dick - but it is really more for the sport of it. Is ZH of course. We all play our parts! lol.
I think both of you will agree with me that the root of this is politicians, who are voted in by the dumb public.
The public has always been dumb. This is probably the smartest public in all of history (thanks to the information age where so much learning is available for free on the internet) and it's still dumb as bricks.
So, how can we fix it? Well, if you can convince just ONE person per week to think like you and embrace personal liberty, and the week after that you and that person convince ONE other person, et cetera... after six months you'll have over 60 million people on your side.
This is the ONLY way you change it, and you know it! Go forth..!
Just to add something... the Tylers here have been asserting from day 1 that there will be some point where the US will print itself into oblivion. Not a deflationary hell. But rather a hyperinflationary explosion. I beg to differ. But, I am entitled to my own opinion.
Anyhow, if this occurs... the pattern is pretty clear. Financial crisis (theft) leads to sovereign crisis (where we are now) which leads to political crisis (you can feel this beast breathing on you now, can't you?)... which leads to public crisis. A currency crisis, if it were to occur is when the Fed hands the levers over to .GOV. THAT is how they bow out. A classic move. DC will have it's dirty finger prints on the "Print" button when S hits the F. And the corporate pirates will be long gone. They will have already moved assets ("money owes no allegiance to any county"). The workers (every day people who want to believe in capitalism) will get fucked as industries like Wall Street, Big Pharma, Insurance, etc. are nationalized. The grand theft that is occurring now in plain sight are the RATS JUMPING OFF THE FUCKING SHIP. The power hungry politicians are the scapegoats. These guys are the narcissists more than anything else. The real criminals are sociopaths. Psychopaths are just usefull idiots playing along to thier own demise.
Capitalism is an economic method by which one attempts to be more productive tomorrow by investing some of today's profits. A fisherman who trades fish for a bigger net has engaged in capitalism. A farmer who repairs his plow engages in capitalism. A student who learns his lesson well engages in capitalism. There is no better way to be more productive and thereby increase the necessary goods and services on which you and your family depend.
Too academic. Realistic limits and human behavior create the need and desire to move into "alternate" methods of asserting superiority. One system becomes another, and etc. ... and the cycles repeat.
The right of the individual to self determination demands adherence to certain unchanging principles. I have on occasion changed the policies I support in order to remain true to my principles which are constants that must be recognized for reasons of ethics and efficiency.
Cool statement. I like it. Hope you dont mind me borrowing it!
edit: your statement sounds Vulcan. (what is also cool is that Leonard Nimoy (RIP) from what I was told had LLAP at the end of all his correspondence.). So... LLAP. Really, it is about logic (intellegence) overcoming emotion. But without losing the soul/essense of what makes us human. Different subject... but a great topic nonetheless. MSM won't touch it of course. Doesn't sell like bodies and boobs.
Capitalism is just that. A reliance on not consuming all of today's profit but deploying it (capital) for future productivity. It is a practical method for increasing available goods and services. The philosophy which you describe and to which I adhere is called "free markets."
Thanks for the rational answer. I like a good discussion of the facts. Honorable mention might also go to the British East India Company but one should note that these companies relied on exploiting the power of government and not the free market.
No, he was a head of state. I can't understand why you would want to support the claim that CEOs kill more people than politicians do by claiming that Mao was a CEO and not a politician. Are you really that deluded? Or did I miss the <sarc> tags?
It's everywhere but it really surprises me here at ZH. This used to be a very Ron Paul kind of place with a few malcontents but it seems like the redistributionists have the run of the place these days.
I wouldn't even bother trying to correct them but I do feel something in the air, a fourth turning, a sea change. People need to wake up and realize that if we're going to build something decent out of the rubble then this public school socialism has got to go.
I refer you to the UNITED STATES CODE (note the capitalization, indicating the corporation, not the Republic) Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C). It is stated unequivocally that the UNITED STATES is a corporation.
I was playing on the notion that most all governments are corprately controlled.
Since the communist party owns all businesses and business, it's a giant corp.
That US Code stuff is interesting but I've never dug into it. It all sounds like nonsense to me but it's entirely possible that TPTB really believe that that sort of thing justifies their actions.
as for Ron Paul, I voted for him, campaigned for him even went to Tampa to see and hear for myself, how the political machine chewed up RP along with our future.
Hitler for example probably wouldn't have been classified as a psychopath, but a narcissist. They are also unable to empathise with other people. They're obviously equally dangerous.
Called a sociopath. Most "little people" today are sociopaths in training. When you are beaten down to economic nothing. When your family is losing it's jobs/homes/stability...when you have no ability to exercise critical thought due to media brainwahsing/direction of opinion. When your standard of iiving is collapsing and you are told that everything is diddly squat either "your fault" OR your failure to vote in the next crook....when you are ill-educated and brainwashed into drug addiction (big CIA funded) when you accept murder as a daily occurence. When you are left with absolutely no tools from cradle to grave that are not influenced by poison (read Monsanto, read fracking, read bribery of all gov., when your Supreme Court is a whorehouse of convenient corporate opinion....good frigging lord. Hard not to become a fat, drug addicted, I-give-up, shopper of cheap garbage produced in shops that sucked out good jobs.
A psychopath and a sociopath are essentially the same thing only one is considered higher functioning, they probably should be grouped together and differentiated by high functioning/low functioning. Supposedly the sociopath is capable of some bonding so they are given a fluffier name. The most important thing to know about psychology are the dark triad traits. Much can be learned from watching politicians and bankers, our society is filled with malignants because our leadership and culture rewards malignant behaviors and has made an environment conducive to producing psychopaths in mass. For men.. beware the victim maiden in distress.
There are really good arguments for putting a bunch of the malignants under the heading of psychopath. For example psychopathic women are often diagnosed as hystrionic. A narcissist is just as bad but the primary difference with them is that they will tell you they don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves where the psychopath will feign care. A narcissist isn't always (but commonly is) a psychopath but a psychopath is always a narcissist. The traits of a path and a narcissist massively overlap and probably could be labeled the same thing, they will both destroy you if they get the chance. If you add all of the malignants together they are probably at least 6% of the population and I believe they are even more than that in our warped times.
These are some of the characteristics that supposedly differientiate the sociopath from the psychopath:
"Prone to nervousness, distress and temper meltdowns, not easily calm and suave like the psychopath
Usually not well-educated, often non-gainfully employed, the drifter type, the one whom everyone sees as "troubled" or "disturbed."
Their crimes typically are sloppy rather than meticulously premeditated and planned.
Capable of emotional bonds with others, but this is difficult to achieve.
Despite the capability of emotional attachments, they disregard social mores as a whole."
Bankers seem to be missing?
Politician??
Bankers prepared this list.
...with input from politicians, it seems.
As a CEO i take offense, now whos head am i going to cut off to make a profit.
This liberal socialism bullshit is revolting. Ceos give the people options if they are doing their job and creating value.
All the CEOS in the world could be outcompeted by the printing press in a nano second and the peopel thing ceos are the problem. Fuck Communists.
RIPS
… Banking doesn’t attract psychopaths, it PRODUCES them.
Well, at least the banks are producing something.
Well -- I am in the top 3. Seems appropriate.
This liberal socialism bullshit is revolting.
Yes it is, especially as it's based on theft and violence. But it seems to be popular with certain folks.
I lost count of the contradictions in that simple sentence, "This liberal socialism bullshit is revolting."
I mean, I understand what was being communicated. But liberal and socialist are actually very different things. I would say they are both bullshit, but they aren't the same thing. Only in today's America, with our intentional debauched political vocabulary, could such a sentence be constructed or understood.
And "revolting" should be a verb in this situation, not a gerund (verb used as a noun) or adjective.
Very few classical liberals exist these days, so few in fact that one ends up using the qualifying adjective "classical."
And "revolting" should be a verb in this situation, not a gerund (verb used as a noun) or adjective.
Not to mention reliance on the passive voice. How about, "Those who hate the very people who provide them with valuable goods and services repulse me."
Nazis were the first Liberals
Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain people’s trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.
How to Tell a Sociopath from a Psychopath
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
WE ARE *ALL* #6.
But that's OK. Some of us will be needed to man the guillotines and wood chippers.
Military?
Clergymen: they should replace the cross with the moslem's pizza slice symbol
All those Bible-thumping conservative Christian clergy are terrorists! The Obama administration said so, so it must be true.
As for replacing the cross with a pizza slice symbol, I recall reading just a few days ago that some group of bishops - British, I think - proposed something very similar. Wish I kept a link.
I personally think this list was generated by psychopaths with the intent being to divert attention from the true psychopaths.
It's a special category of people but I would say the biggest group of psychosociopaths I've ever met is lumped under the term "do gooder" or "social activist." God, these people are duplicitous, slimey, cretans.
--these people are duplicitous, slimey, (sic) cretins--
...and they're not even aware of it. in their minds the 'ends justify the means' so they're doing 'god's work' or 'what is right' or pushing the world toward 'how things should be'...
Anyone who has ever worked with Gov't civil servants...
Who can't ever be fired...
Knows they need to be ranked much higher than #10.
Civil Serpents should be #3. The Politicians that bought votes by creating those Civil Serpent jobs should be #2. Prezidint should be #1.
Psychopathy is the most dangerous of all antisocial personality disorders because of the way psychopaths dissociate emotionally from their actions, regardless of how terrible those actions may be.
...Isn't true Liberalism "small town" USA?
Current USSA is Corporate Fascism
president of the homeowners association.
Military?
The vast majority of military people are good (if a bit naive) people - but yes, there are psychopaths in the miliary - and they usually end up in the higher ranks and hang out in places like the Pentagon. As we used to say, "Shit floats"....
Only if you have a high fat diet.
Civil Servant should be MUCH higher than #10. Way too many are special little snowflakes who DESERVE your money for sitting at a desk, making your life more difficult for 20 - 30 years, then taking a more or less full-salary retirement with health care once in their 40s.
Hmm, according to that description I have my definitions of sociopath and psychopath reversed.
"they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature."
Normally, the families and other long-term close relationships are fully aware of their real nature but dare not speak for various reasons, primarily fear and Stockholm syndrome.
Outsiders, on the other hand, generally don't suspect anything - unless, of course, something gives the whole thing away, or if the victims find the strength to break away or speak up, which can be tough after years of gaslighting.
These psychopaths/sociopathic individuals, who can be men or women, are truly evil.
Dogs. w/lyrics;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDH6dcbRtuU
I'm a CEO. Of a technology startup up, however. So do I get to go to the back of the line?
Take 'em as you find 'em, Dick.
I'll do the same for you.
We ain't all bad.
Awright Goddammit! Who junks Pink Floyd?
Show yourself!
I got an idea who you are-
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
But I'm in need
Of some restraint!
There shall be no courtesy, no sympathy and I don't much give a fuck about taste in your presence, either.
Fuck off!
Psychopaths pull the trigger.
Sociopaths order someone else to pull the trigger.
Wish I knew how to respond to that, HA.
Let me just say that most of the trigger-pullers are not psychotic, initially anyway.
They're just naive, patriotic children who think they're fighting for their God and their country.
They only become psychotic once a tiny part of their being realizes they've been duped and used- It's at this point that they withdraw into despair, homelessness or worse- or they double down in a futile effort to maintain their self-esteem. Either way: psychos.
Sad, that.
The sociopath is born and bred in the upper classes and thinks nothing of his/her fellow travelers. S/He creates psychopaths by taking advantage of the naive patriots. Works every time.
Hunh. Guess I developed a response whilst typing.
My bad.
Do we have to pick one or the other, or can we be both?
From what Ive read, psychiatrists & psychologists have different opinions regarding the categories. It seems to me that the term 'sociopath' softens the impact - if only a little bit. 'Sociopath' sounds like someone who uses surface charm & lies to get over on people. 'Psychopath' is about killing people. Compare the suffering caused by a psychopath like Ted Bundy, to the millions murdered at the order of politicians. Its no contest, no matter what you call them.
Example - Evidence has come out that Richard Nixon contacted the North Vietnamese and told them if they didnt make a deal with Johnson, they would get a better deal from him. That stretched out the war for years and caused the deaths of thousands more Americans and many, many more Vietnamese.
Yes, I'd say Nixon was a psychopath. That his motivation was his political ambitions and self aggrandisement, doesnt change that. And it doesnt bring back all those who were killed because of his actions.
I'd be more concerned about the company that has Deathrips as a CEO.
Mr Billy the Poet
'Revolting' is a perfectly good adjective, called a present particple.
e.g. (from Oxford)
It just stinks. It’s really revolting.
The smell of it was quite revolting.
He’s an absolutely revolting man.
The stew looked revolting.
I didn't object to the word "revolting." That was another fellow.
You are a lawyer and CEO of a media company?
Debt.
same can be said about politicians
Psychopaths suffer from a disorder.
Bankers and leaches understand their place in the natural order sucking life from its host leaving it wishing it was dead.
So to recap psychopaths may kill you but bankers make you want to kill yourself.
Fuck me running - internet trolls didn't even make the top 10.
Media disinformation campaign !!!
Internet Troll is not an occupation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_brigades
Good luck putting that on your CV.
> … Banking doesn’t attract psychopaths, it PRODUCES them.
It's just incredible that no one noticed that none of those professions is actually productive, except for #8, "The Surgeon" (i.e. the human body _engineer_) and, maybe, #9 "Le Petit Chef":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC5QNsQ5rpU
But it's normal in the the world of systemic parasitism, profession de foi, so to say.
PS
No, wait, #7: "Star of David" has been quite productive in shooting black goyim this year...
Chef.
Very disturbing...
DENTIST. Those guys are fruits, lol.
Surgeons do not belong on that list. Psychiatrists do.
That's just crazy!
Surgeons do not belong on that list. Psychiatrists do
While I agree that Psychiatrists belong on that list, I've read studies that seemed to show that a high percentage of surgeons are psychopaths - where being unable to feel empathy is advantageous. I've seen studies that show that 80% of Oncologists would never take Chemotherapy themselves or prescribe it for someone in their family, yet what is the first thing they rush you into if you have cancer? I know *I* couldn't do that if I were a "doctor"....
i called my Jew divorce lawyer a shister and he got upset at me.
We certainly want everyone to think so, don't we? Less competiton.
Mercury and Nitrous is my theory.
Never met a dentist that wasn't whacked.
Optometrists come a close second.
My lawyer advised me it's illegal to read that list.
Your lawyer may be a psychopath. You should be OK, as long as he likes you.
The lawyer who looked after my parents legal stuff is a great guy - he'd drive over to the house, and if a witness was required he'd knock on a neighbour's door.
Got on really well with the guy. He gave me some stand out advice.
He's no longer a lawyer.
It's the access to all the knives.
Chef is nearly as psychopathic as truck driver, but truckers don't have all the knives.
I fired a chef for repeatedly screwing with a waitress... oops, servers order. I walked him out and he pulled his extremely sharp knife on me. We eyeballed for a few seconds and i said whats your plan? He shrugged and walked off. He was nuts and it could have gone bad for both of us.
I worked with another psycho chef, but we were buds and his psychosis was alcohol related and controlable. ie after hours
Interesting!
My son is a chef and has a huge collection of knives.
Hopefullly I haven't lived out my usefullness!
Speaking from experience, there are a LOT of misfits even in high-end restaurant kitchens that simply cannot fit in anywhere else.
Deathrips, why do you take offense? Why do you assume that being a psychopath is bad?
This is the real world. If you're not stealing, you're being robbed.
That's what the psychopaths want you to think.
I wasn't aware I was a psychopath, but I made # 4...time to start living down to my reputatation.
SillySalesman for President 2016! Who wants to be my running mate? Only fellow psychopaths can apply.
Nothing wrong with being a salesman. We're all salesman. Trouble arises when one uses prevarication to sell an inferior product but assuming that the product is good and that you seek to fit the customer with what he needs then you're fine. This isn't necessarily a moral recommendation but simply a recognition of the fact that return business makes a sales job much easier and more rewarding.
Thing about selling something is that you can show a quality product and point out its advantages or a crap one and hide its defects.
Intent is important.
If the intent is long term profitability then honesty is the best policy.
Creating more value does not require stealing anything. It requires management, integrity and respecting the customer. Everything the idiot that made this list knows nothing about. This is a gatekeeper illustrator...the big tells are no politicians or central bankers.
This is trying to insinuate that competition is bad and companies are evil. YES there are some evil fucks out there but to blanket this statement to all is absurd.
Did someone try and comment on my grammar that I couldnt correct in time? WTF man?
Cheers Billy.
RIPS
Nailed it. That's why you're the C of the EOs.
Thanks Billy, logicalman and RIPS. I feel better about myself again. I took pride in only representing smaller companies, privately owned, that had quality products and outstanding customer service. My customers appreciated the fact that I never lied to them, that we shipped on time, delivered a quality product, at a fair price and if we made a honest mistake, we took care of it.
So, you are the one who gave that fat finger 6 billion back?
Very pleased to meet the last honest man on earth.
wise man say : sell something that sells itself
Theyre not saying all salesmen are psychopaths.
Theyre saying sales does attract psychopaths.
Hmm . . sounds like a psychopath, or at least a secondary psychopath. Not biologically one, but could act out given the right conditions.
Thank you all for responding to my comment above. I just looked up the definition of a psychopath and it encompases many different things that don't necessarily have much in common with one another.
I'm sure that adds to confusion in this article, as each psychopath only considers that which applies to him- or herself.
"a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc."
Some of the aforementioned definition falls under "being an asshole" and some of it falls under finally "realizing that they will work until they die just like all their ancestors did, nothing they do really matters, and all consumerism is a distraction, etc.."
Please as member of the left have someone read your comment. Spelling?
Deathrips - "Ceos give the people options if they are doing their job and creating value."
Not True.
You really think Fiorina layed off 35,000 at HP that were not doing their jobs? You think any large layoffs are due to the employee not doing their jobs well?
Those layoffs happen due to CEO & upper management's failure & greed. The folks at the top are the reason corporations fail or struggle, not the rank and file.
Only psychopaths think, "The company's success is to my credit. The company's failure is due to you, not the leadership, so you're layed off and I get the Fiorina 20 million golden parachute."
I think you will realize something after i show you that the CEOs have no option here. If they don't do it, the board of directors will replace them with someone who will fire 35k people, because if they don't replace the CEO, the board will get voted out by shareholders who want those people fired so that they can cash out when the stock jumps.
See, the decision comes from the shareholders. This lack of personal accountability and distance from the effects of their decisions creates horrible sitations like this.
Hmm, I take issue with Chefs being on that list. Control freaks? Probably, but NOT nearly in the same league as the others.
Politicians refer to themselves as civil servants. Proof in and of itself that they are psychos, liars, or both.
Many/most politicians in Federal office are lawyers. The psychopathic ones, anyway.
Obama, Hitlery, Slick Willy
This is for shit. Looks like the Brit rag Independent put this out.
Correct, psychopaths always gravitate towards positons of power.
Where is DNC Chair?
At the groomer, chasing a car, or pissing on a fire hydrant...
Where is Bath House? He should be #1 w/a bullet on this chart.
"(no pun intended)."
+1, lol. Higher evolved.
I take it you all mean "BWANKERS"...
;-D
They are salespersons.
Different animal. They are sociopaths and narcissists.
The Chef is in on it...
Bankers could opt-out for $$$.
"Bankers seem to be missing?"
Listng under "Clergyman"...doing Gods work and all that...
Jewish police officers...who'd a thunk??
We need bankers. We need bankers. We need bankers. We need bankers That's the next list after this one.
"Banker" isn't really a job title. The top bankers would fall under the CEO label. CEOs are the most ruthless and immoral of the bankers, the keystone predators, if you will. Just below them, and what would constitue the bulk of what are considered "bankers," are the brokers, traders and investment bankers, which would fall under the Salesperson label. Everyone else working at a bank would be petty bureaucrats and other tenders who feed and groom the CEOs' and salesmens' egos and clean up their shit when they fuck up. Which is often. The bureaucrats are not psychopaths, but contribute their labor for the cause. They work in the service of evil for the good pay and the random abusive treatment that the psychos at the top like to deliver.
4got elected career politician turds.
3 air craft battle groups, spratly bitchezz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDQwewROGLA
NK guess its time to fix it?! psychopath go figure hope they sink all 70 subs in the process sheesh
Obamawar u watch, green futures cwazy
Chef? WTF? Like fight club jizzing in the soup chef?
hmmm...
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands
Where's Politician?
Bingo! They got me! My name is Trump.
On Wheels of Fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJqgk2XAg4k&list=RDuJqgk2XAg4k
these are all subsets of Politician, it's implied
Civil servant.
FEMA guards.
I think describing modern American Politicians as 'Civil Servants' is a misnomer considering 99%+ of them serve only themselves and their masters (who are certainly not the 'Public' per se). I see the stats were taken in the UK where said use is more common, however.
Civil servants (aka politicians) kill far more people than CEOs ever have.
Hmmm.... I think the jury is out on that one. Who pays for the politicians? Who drives policy? Tough questions here. Hillary knows though. Ask her.
Name one CEO who has killed more people than Hitler, Stalin or LBJ. The jury is not out.
In todays world (not some WWII era) who is driving the bus?
Hey... do me a favor and take a look at who (we know) is on the Clinton Foundation list, list of donors to almost any political campaign, etc. Then get back to me. TPTB aren't politicians.
If I hired a seasoned hit man to kill someone would that make me a more prolific killer than he is?
Oh, I see the anti-capitalists are out tonight typing on their corporate built computers and connecting on corporate networks. The amount of envy is incredible. One of the main reasons America is on the ropes is people hate those who provide goods and services which they find valuable while giving a pass to those who provide nothing of value while they pick pockets and shoot children.
Really?
That is about as misguided as it gets.
Government is supposed to protect against all the things we are seeing now. Insurance, big pharma, big oil, etc. from turning the world into the Hunger Games. Politics is bought and sold by corporate interests (national and international). Any fool knows this. And the people who buy the bullet are as guilty as those who fire it. But, to get to the bottom, FOLLOW THE MONEY. Power and money. Attracts psychopaths and sociopaths. A match made in hell.
So, anti-capitalist is where you are trying to head? Capitalism isn't what is going on. Where have you been for the last handful of years at least? Capitalism died long ago. Heck, it may very well be that it is impossible for it to exist in a pure form.
Reality check here is that whole system is winding down. One massive hedonistic run up into excessive everything now culminating in a collective "oh shit." A free for all is where we are now. Rule of law is broken in plain sight. Theft is status quo.
Government supposedly operates according to the will of the people but does so by using violence against the people. It operates in a way which is contradictory to the stated goal. It's a scam.
How can you possibly believe that you can be protected from theft and violence by those whose sole method of operation is to take your money and threaten you with guns and prisons? That is about as misguided as it gets.
Government is a scam. We agree on that. But, because it is does not mean the corporate side of things does not exist as another problem. They both work in tandem. Corporate interests using the same threat of violence wherein government is a both a tool and enabler. In fact, it is because both systems are flawed that we wind up in this place. I am simply pointing out what should be one the side of government in the same sense of what capitalism is supposed to be (but is not for the same damn reasons... human behavior).
In getting back to the meat and potatoes of the thread, in smaller settings communities do a good job of stopping the mentally ill from progessing because they recognize the danger. In larger settings the predators actually thrive. They are thrust into positions of power because they do what others with scruples will not do. They will more quickly kill. More quickly fuck thier neighbor, lie, cheat, steal, etc. These are the qualities of both politicians and multi-national corporate leadership... and trickling down to mom and pop. As society breaks down (as it is) the behaviour of the street thug and TPTB close in on the middle.
Misguided is thinking one group in power is better or different than other. That any semblance of a free market still exists. The capitalism really can exist any more than socialism for more than a moment. Rather, we just move through them... history repeating. Socialism/facism/etc. as you point out by name in previous response is the end game of a cycle... attempts to redistribute because everything else has failed. Genocide and war follows.
Government is always a scam but many businesses provide you with valuable products and services at a good price. The only way to feed, cloth and house more poor people is to increase production and lower costs. That is what a successful business does. A successful government is one that is better at stealing and threatening. Therefore I have a problem with those who blame the ills of the world on business and businessmen.
Eliminate government and any businessmen with bad intent no longer have anyone to bribe. Problem solved.
Misguided is thinking one group in power is better or different than other. That any semblance of a free market still exists. The capitalism really can exist any more than socialism for more than a moment. Rather, we just move through them... history repeating.
You are an individual with the power (and likely the desire) to act ethically. It does you no good to stand on the mountain top and eschew action while contemplating all possible ills of the world. Take stock in your own talents and desires and make your corner of the world a better place. To do otherwise is to be misguided.
And there is where we find common ground. Cool. I agree. And I act accordingly. FWIW, I am private sector. Slugging it out.
Where we seem to miss is that no system is perfect. There is no utopia. This is not an excuse but rather recognition that our future will have to depend on shaking hands with the gorilla in the room. Not thinking that one system is right and another is wrong. But rather we need to advance in our understanding of how and why we keep repeating history. Freewill is a motherfucker. And so are ethics. A regular paradox.
Nothing is perfect and I don't make that claim. I am a recovered nihilist so I'm aware of the pitfalls of negativity and envy. I see too much of that around here these days. I'm glad we found that common ground.
+1. The nihilist trap is attractive. But, I have kids. I would not do that to them. Likewise, I don't believe in giving way to negative thoughts. Heck, I am getting more involved each day in my community. Now stepping up to US&R for both first and second responder roles.
Reality is another thing and trying to seperate the two is hard. I admittedly struggle with it. I think most of who are here talking do. Is a fine line. Hard to watch the world turn to fast on it's ear. See you around... good talking with you today. Really. I can be a dick - but it is really more for the sport of it. Is ZH of course. We all play our parts! lol.
I think both of you will agree with me that the root of this is politicians, who are voted in by the dumb public.
The public has always been dumb. This is probably the smartest public in all of history (thanks to the information age where so much learning is available for free on the internet) and it's still dumb as bricks.
So, how can we fix it? Well, if you can convince just ONE person per week to think like you and embrace personal liberty, and the week after that you and that person convince ONE other person, et cetera... after six months you'll have over 60 million people on your side.
This is the ONLY way you change it, and you know it! Go forth..!
Just to add something... the Tylers here have been asserting from day 1 that there will be some point where the US will print itself into oblivion. Not a deflationary hell. But rather a hyperinflationary explosion. I beg to differ. But, I am entitled to my own opinion.
Anyhow, if this occurs... the pattern is pretty clear. Financial crisis (theft) leads to sovereign crisis (where we are now) which leads to political crisis (you can feel this beast breathing on you now, can't you?)... which leads to public crisis. A currency crisis, if it were to occur is when the Fed hands the levers over to .GOV. THAT is how they bow out. A classic move. DC will have it's dirty finger prints on the "Print" button when S hits the F. And the corporate pirates will be long gone. They will have already moved assets ("money owes no allegiance to any county"). The workers (every day people who want to believe in capitalism) will get fucked as industries like Wall Street, Big Pharma, Insurance, etc. are nationalized. The grand theft that is occurring now in plain sight are the RATS JUMPING OFF THE FUCKING SHIP. The power hungry politicians are the scapegoats. These guys are the narcissists more than anything else. The real criminals are sociopaths. Psychopaths are just usefull idiots playing along to thier own demise.
Capitalism is an economic method by which one attempts to be more productive tomorrow by investing some of today's profits. A fisherman who trades fish for a bigger net has engaged in capitalism. A farmer who repairs his plow engages in capitalism. A student who learns his lesson well engages in capitalism. There is no better way to be more productive and thereby increase the necessary goods and services on which you and your family depend.
Too academic. Realistic limits and human behavior create the need and desire to move into "alternate" methods of asserting superiority. One system becomes another, and etc. ... and the cycles repeat.
The right of the individual to self determination demands adherence to certain unchanging principles. I have on occasion changed the policies I support in order to remain true to my principles which are constants that must be recognized for reasons of ethics and efficiency.
Cool statement. I like it. Hope you dont mind me borrowing it!
edit: your statement sounds Vulcan. (what is also cool is that Leonard Nimoy (RIP) from what I was told had LLAP at the end of all his correspondence.). So... LLAP. Really, it is about logic (intellegence) overcoming emotion. But without losing the soul/essense of what makes us human. Different subject... but a great topic nonetheless. MSM won't touch it of course. Doesn't sell like bodies and boobs.
Feel free. That's my motto, what with being an anarchist and all.
They used to call me Spock when they pummeled me in junior high. Lousy statist institution.
Fuck, you guys are on a roll tonight.
Allow me to correct your definition of capitalism.
It's not an economic system.
It is merely a philosophy of being free from coercion. That is all.
Capitalism is just that. A reliance on not consuming all of today's profit but deploying it (capital) for future productivity. It is a practical method for increasing available goods and services. The philosophy which you describe and to which I adhere is called "free markets."
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not all psychopaths are violent - only about 20% I think. It's to do with not having conscience/remorse/ability to love anyone
True, but honorable mention for the IG Farben CEO.
Thanks for the rational answer. I like a good discussion of the facts. Honorable mention might also go to the British East India Company but one should note that these companies relied on exploiting the power of government and not the free market.
Chairman Mao?
he was kinda like a CEO type, no?
No, he was a head of state. I can't understand why you would want to support the claim that CEOs kill more people than politicians do by claiming that Mao was a CEO and not a politician. Are you really that deluded? Or did I miss the <sarc> tags?
Billy, I don't know what the fuck is going on here sometimes.
It's everywhere but it really surprises me here at ZH. This used to be a very Ron Paul kind of place with a few malcontents but it seems like the redistributionists have the run of the place these days.
I wouldn't even bother trying to correct them but I do feel something in the air, a fourth turning, a sea change. People need to wake up and realize that if we're going to build something decent out of the rubble then this public school socialism has got to go.
hey Bill,
I refer you to the UNITED STATES CODE (note the capitalization, indicating the corporation, not the Republic) Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C). It is stated unequivocally that the UNITED STATES is a corporation.
I was playing on the notion that most all governments are corprately controlled.
Since the communist party owns all businesses and business, it's a giant corp.
That US Code stuff is interesting but I've never dug into it. It all sounds like nonsense to me but it's entirely possible that TPTB really believe that that sort of thing justifies their actions.
as for Ron Paul, I voted for him, campaigned for him even went to Tampa to see and hear for myself, how the political machine chewed up RP along with our future.
as far as I'm concerned he's my president.
Cheers Billy, don't quite.
TAXES
Almost exactly what I'd have thought. Apart from the one glaring exception: POLITICIANS.
They're mostly Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symp...
Hitler for example probably wouldn't have been classified as a psychopath, but a narcissist. They are also unable to empathise with other people. They're obviously equally dangerous.
Called a sociopath. Most "little people" today are sociopaths in training. When you are beaten down to economic nothing. When your family is losing it's jobs/homes/stability...when you have no ability to exercise critical thought due to media brainwahsing/direction of opinion. When your standard of iiving is collapsing and you are told that everything is diddly squat either "your fault" OR your failure to vote in the next crook....when you are ill-educated and brainwashed into drug addiction (big CIA funded) when you accept murder as a daily occurence. When you are left with absolutely no tools from cradle to grave that are not influenced by poison (read Monsanto, read fracking, read bribery of all gov., when your Supreme Court is a whorehouse of convenient corporate opinion....good frigging lord. Hard not to become a fat, drug addicted, I-give-up, shopper of cheap garbage produced in shops that sucked out good jobs.
Am I ranting? Yeah well.
A psychopath and a sociopath are essentially the same thing only one is considered higher functioning, they probably should be grouped together and differentiated by high functioning/low functioning. Supposedly the sociopath is capable of some bonding so they are given a fluffier name. The most important thing to know about psychology are the dark triad traits. Much can be learned from watching politicians and bankers, our society is filled with malignants because our leadership and culture rewards malignant behaviors and has made an environment conducive to producing psychopaths in mass. For men.. beware the victim maiden in distress.
There are really good arguments for putting a bunch of the malignants under the heading of psychopath. For example psychopathic women are often diagnosed as hystrionic. A narcissist is just as bad but the primary difference with them is that they will tell you they don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves where the psychopath will feign care. A narcissist isn't always (but commonly is) a psychopath but a psychopath is always a narcissist. The traits of a path and a narcissist massively overlap and probably could be labeled the same thing, they will both destroy you if they get the chance. If you add all of the malignants together they are probably at least 6% of the population and I believe they are even more than that in our warped times.
These are some of the characteristics that supposedly differientiate the sociopath from the psychopath: