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"The Downed Drone Was Russian Made": Turkey Says UAV It Shot Down Was Of Russian Origin
Last Friday, Turkey shot down what the US said at the time was likely a Russian drone.
Russia, of course, said that all of its aircraft returned safely to Latakia.
As we noted when the news hit, it wouldn't be at all surprising if Ankara did indeed down a Russian aircraft given the tension surrounding a series of recent incursions into Turkish airspace by Russian fighter jets as they conduct bombing runs on anti-regime targets in Syria. Turkey is a NATO member and on top of that, Erdogan has domestic political considerations to take into account. Here’s how we summed up the situation last week:
Ultimately, it isn’t about Turkey’s airspace. It’s about Ankara wanting Assad gone and Moscow wanting Assad to remain in power and indeed, the US is already using a Turkish air base as a kind of forward operating center for bombing runs, meaning NATO may well use Turkey to float conflict trial balloons to see just what the West can get away with in terms of challenging the Russians in Syria (incidentally, Erdogan has an election coming up in two weeks and a key part of the push to restore AKP's absolute majority in parliament is scaring the public into believing that Turkey is under attack and only a strong government can save it).
Given all of the above, and given the fact that the US is flying from Incirlik (i.e. coordinating directly with the Turkish military), it’s just as likely as not that the craft which Turkey “reduced by fire in the frame” was Russian.
As we outlined in "Pipeline Politics: Russia, Turkey Clash Over Energy As Syria Rift Shifts Focus To German Line," heightened tensions between Ankara and Moscow over Syria are set to derail billions in trade and energy deals between the two countries, a fact which speaks volumes about just how steadfast each side truly is with regard to their position vis-a-vis the Assad regime. "Incidents" like this one won't do anything to help the situation.
On Monday, Turkey confirmed that the drone was indeed “of Russian origin”, but amusingly, Moscow claims it does not belong to Russia. Here’s Reuters:
A drone shot down by Turkish warplanes in Turkish air space near Syria on Friday was Russian-made, but Moscow has told Ankara the unmanned aircraft did not belong to Russia, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Monday.
The drone was downed on Friday after it continued on its flight path despite three warnings, the Turkish military said.
Earlier this month, Russian jets violated Turkish air space on two occasions and Ankara warned it would respond if such incursions recurred.
"The downed drone is Russian-made but Russia has told us in a friendly manner that it doesn't belong to them," Davutoglu said in an interview with Turkish broadcaster AHaber.
"I hope Russia, whose friendship and neighborliness we value, will adopt a more careful stance and Turkish-Russian relations will not be negatively affected."
Obviously, this is all just a charade for public consumption.
What most likely happened here is that a Russian drone flying recon ahead of Iranian ground ops ventured into Turkey's airspace and Ankara, which has had just about enough of the fighter jet incursions, saw this as an opportunity to send a message (on behalf of NATO) to Moscow without killing anyone or starting a world war, so the Turkish army simply blew the thing out of the sky.
For now, it appears as though The Kremlin is going to take this one in stride, but that may be "strike one" so to speak, meaning NATO might have one or two more drone pot shots it can take before Erdogan gets a slightly less "neighborly" call from Moscow.
Then again, who knows, maybe it was just Amazon delivering some negative free cash flow to Turkish investors...
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For those who may have missed it, Turkey spared no expense in making a spectacle out of the entire thing. Here are some of the visuals from the "crash site":
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bezos was delivering some chinese made crapola
RUT-ROW
THEY FOUND THE THANKSGIVING DAY DELIVERY?
If there was ever any doubt that turkeys full of shit......now there isnt.
RIPS
The Turkish soldiers milling about must be searching for the pilot...
Is Turkey's point that there are no US-made weapons in the region?
I'm pretty sure it was a drone they sell at the Hobby Shop for $599.
Exactly! That's not a drone, THIS is a drone;
http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/ae5d20f/2147483647/resize/652x%3E/qua...
A question hangs: how does it comes that Turks "warned" UAV three times, and somehow expected a response?
Another: if shot down, why no bullets holes or other marks of trauma on this UAV? 30mm cannon would have reduce it to dust, and AA missile an absurdity to consider.
Probably from Russia purchased online by CIA or their proxy apes, then flown until no more fuel and drops to ground, breaks. Scary.
Given all of the above, and given the fact that the US is flying from Incirlik (i.e. coordinating directly with the Turkish military), it’s just as likely as not that the craft which Turkey “reduced by fire in the frame” was Russian."
Reduced by fire? Doesn't look like any fire damage to me.
Obviously the drone was Ruskie ... It's powder blue.
Everybody knows that.
There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
Steven Wright
UAV looks like EWG-2 model from China.
http://ewatt.en.alibaba.com/product/60010112603-218980805/EWATT_Unmanned...
Link in comments found Colonel Cassad article on this same drone.
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2434046.html?page=3#comments
BFD The Ferrari being raced through the Beverly Hills streets was driven by a Quatari. Doesn't make Italians all bad, do it?
You watcha u mouth or we a breaks yo knees, fuggin' eggplant
This drone wasn't flying, it was suspended on a rope from a helicopter. Can't you see that the doors are opened, and a rope?
Ukraine operates similar drones, btw.
The Turkish photographers moved it to a more photogenic location. Originally it was in a messy rubbish dump in a small town across the border into Syria.
hahaha...
It was a russian made cheap reconnaissance drone operated either by SAA or Iran's forces. Stop crying wolf nato!
Case against Saudi price was dropped due to lack of evidence although three woman accused him of sexual assault ... come on.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-saudi-prince-beverly-hills-2...
Shit... That's my drone!
Looks like a kayak with wings. Is Turkey absolutely sure that this is not some form of Russian underwater UAV that they happened to shoot down? inquiring minds want to know.
That computer you're typing on - is it one of those Chinese crapola items...?
I don't see any fire in the frame. That drone looks like a pontoon with some wings welded on it.
Egypt has no issues with the bear bearing arms.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/161322/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-to-buy-Russian-helicopters,-hardware-for-new.aspx
Fascinating, so not only did Russia get its roughly $1B back (plus saved its own fit out cost) but now it gets another $1B for fitting them out for the Egyptians.
It's called Lol Sanctions.
Bullshit. The only rule the west uses now is this: In any unclear situation - blame Russia.
Or on a false flag operation.
Putin had a laugh. Russia don't give a shit.
Can just see the Poots* every evening, sitting around a nice fire in the palace with all his KGB buds, a little vodka, all telling racist jokes, busting a gut laughing, and with each new an more hair-brained scheme that hatch in the depths of alcoholic psychosis, they have no fear, because they know that the Messiah will fuck it up.
* Vlad is a teatotler with the exception of an occasional "sip" at receptions, etc.
a $1.75 drone vs a gazillion dollar jet going down...it's all about value-added responses....it don't make good sense to fire back with a billion dollar missile over a china made paper airplane.
had the answer now about refugees in turkey, according to someone who lives there the refugees in turkey get exactly one place in a tent and thats it. the refugees are asking for tips all around turkey.
and for that service he gets 7 billions by merkel from now on.
Either the C.I.A. told them to say it was Russian, or they asked them to take the blame for shooting it down (and hand it over "right now!").
Anyone want to guess how many hundreds of thousands of dollars such a missile costs? MIC laughs all the way to the bank
This is making the Russians and me die from laughter.A toy plane you can buy anywhere online that the turkish turds claim it was shot down by their air force.What did they use a slingshot?
It sure looks like someone's crashed toy airplane. I doubt it even had a camera on it.
Certainly not a drone shot down by jet fighters. There would be very little left, not a mostly whole toy airplane, if it had been.
Usual exaggerated bullshit from NATO. Every word out of their mouths is either lies or exaggeration.
Pick one. Any one.
http://www.singahobby.com/?q=product/cat/Models/Airplanes%20%28Glow/Gas%29
Just add an Arduinopilot board & you have a "drone".
Oh and dont forget to paint it grey.
Yeah, baaaad Russians. Everyone knows we in the west don't fly drones over anyone or any weddings without authorization.
Much less over private backyard BBQs or over livestock to sniff cow farts for the EPA.
Better get your drones before Xmas or you'll need to register with .gov
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-drone-regulations-20151019-story.html
that drone wasnt shot down. it would be in little pieces if a round from a fighter had hit it....
The wash from the flyby probably broke the wings. They're just foam.
I was expecting a Malaysian drone.
Eat shit you turkish ass whole and quit being a bad kitty, if your rothschild handlers dont exit your ass your own people will.
Ass whole... is that another way of saying Whole Ass??? .... (I love what auto correct does to words)
I had an RC plane almost the same size, if not bigger, just the red color. If you look at the picture where the people stand near it you can estimate the size of it, there is no way that that "drone" was shot down by the AARM or cannon.
Next you'll be telling us there is no way Turkey warned this sophisticated aerial device 3 times before it was shot down either
This toy was shot down by a fighter jet, really? Are Turkish jets armed with slingshots?
When I was a kid we made such planes with wood, paper and glue in our pioneer house and use two long cords as remote control.
I wonder how many rounds that Turkish fighter jet expended to shoot this drone down? Seems remarkably intact if it got hit by this:
The F-16 carries a 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A1 Vulcan cannon for close range aerial combat and strafing.
Dear Turkey, with Thanksgiving coming up did you ever hear about the S-400? there are also some really cool phallic shaped cruise missiles that are aimed at you A$$. Happy Turkey Day! Stuffing optional.
"What most likely happened here is that a Russian drone flying recon ahead of Iranian ground ops ventured into Turkey's airspace and Ankara, which has had just about enough of the fighter jet incursions,"
"Enough"?
Exactly how many "fighter jet incursions" have there been over Turkey?
Same amount as the "Russian aggressions" in Ukraine?
Turkey has been giving shelter to the anti-Assad forces for how many years now?
Technically Turkey is committing an act of war against Syria.
I am sure there was a time that they hoped that Syrian forces would cross the border while in hot pursuit of the "rebels".
That would have given NATO an excuse to get officially involved.
I just checked in to see the savage* ZH rebuttal. heh, drone on dudes.
At least it didn't take out a wedding or a funeral!
They are really little. I think a drone like that could maybe take out a mailbox. Or a bird feeder.
FYI, "Russian made" also mean this:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=27a_1445238007
This is just another in a long line of phony accusations against Russia.
Every day for months western corporate media sources have been making false accusations against Russia.
Nothing above confirms the accusation, but Tyler picked up that drone and is running with it like he is vying for a job on CNBC.
Look out Liesman, there's a new sycophant in town...
What a farce. . . Google Russian drones and compare the images with thos above. Notice placement of the propeller and intake scoop as well as wing structure and placement.
This is not a russian drone! Like other posters have said, "It is a RC toy." Also check Israeli drones . . .
What a farce. . . Google Russian drones and compare the images with thos above. Notice placement of the propeller and intake scoop as well as wing structure and placement.
This is not a russian drone! Like other posters have said, "It is a RC toy." Also check Israeli drones . . .
My, how quickly the narrative changed; Turkey foreign minister claimed it was Turkish or Syrian (i. US made), but he must have had a meeting with "Murder Inc" and the narrative has now changed. Romans 1:28-32 - yes indeed. I say it never happened.
Turkey are determined to blow their credibility.
It might be an Iranian/militia home made drone, but the Russians very simply have better kit than that. Not as good as the US obviously, but better than an RC model.
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I had a look... Nope. Even the Iranians have better drones than that.
This is an RC toy. I could make one of these from off the shelf parts for a few hundred dollars.
It's an old model from Radio Shack
At least it was not carrying hellfires missiles and killing indiscriminately with a kill ratio of 9 to 1. Nine being civilans and one being a would be terrorist established via a minority report process.
i commented before, turkey put it's ass in the jack-pot, about 2 mo's to soon, opening thier air base for nato, and us use, just before putin made his move, they surely should've known, putin surely gave them some warning i'm sure.
the blood will be ankle deep in turkey before this is over.
nato, us, qatar, saudia's, and others needed a place for isis spill over to go, besides the e.u. and not have to use thier ground forces ground forces.
"I hope Rissia,who's friendlship and neighborliness we value......."
That sounds like something someone would say after they shot your dog for being in their yard. The minute you walk up to them with a lead pipe in your hand
Looks like you could make about a million of those pretty cheaply.
It looks like EWATT Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Fixed Wing UAV EWG-2 Unmanned Drone. The price is $100,000.
Chinese planes also have Red Stars.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EWATT-Unmanned-Aerial-Vehicle-Fixe...
Not far off it but I don't think it's quite the same. WTF $100k? you have to be kidding!
Really! A plane with a coupla seats in it wouldn't be much more expensive!
I dunno... look what Russia said... "it was not owned by them". They didn't say they didn't make it, they said that it wasn't thiers. Words chosen carefully. The media can say they didn't lie about what Russia said and yet the media can make you think the Russians aren't being honest.
Aside from that, if this drone was owned and flown by someone else, who would be interested in doing so over Turkish soil? That's the question...
Not to be nitpicky...
But the Turkish helicopter in the photo appears to be of Russian origin. It looks like an MI-17 Russian made helicopter.
The MI-17 is made in Russia by the Kazan Helicopter Plant.
But this one appears not to be owned by Russia but by Turkey.
Any Israelis driving around with a van full of cheap drones..
No.
But I saw a pushcart full of drones on Delancy on Sunday.
With the Terrorists coming from, Supplied from Turkey.....a NATO Aggressor.
Picking a Fight.
Canadians, We were once Proud Peace Keepers.
No More,
In Flanders Fields The Poppies Grow.............
Their Deaths were Not for Bankers Profits.
"In Flanders Fields The Poppies Grow.............
Their Deaths were Not for Bankers Profits."
Yes they were...they ALWAYS are. Just because it was wrapped in the packaging of "King and Country" makes no difference. Peel the skin of the onion back you'll find bankers and industrialists smiling back at you.
Don't worry, watching the election results and looks as though Justin will fix it.
Just what Canada needs, yet ANOTHER francaphone silver spoon fed shit that's never held a real job. If the yanks can elect one, why can't Canada?
People get the politicians they deserve.
Squid
Don't you just hate it when Tyler assigns an important story like this to one of ZH's affirmative action interns?
I get madder than a wet hen.
First, the simp doesn't even mention the tapes that were released implicating Erdogan and his son in corrupt behavior before the last election. Sure enough Erdogan's party lost its absolute majority.
I'll bet Erdogan was madder than a wet hen, too .
But who was he mad at? Russia? The US? Okay, whose MO is it to release embarrassing tapes? Whose method is that? The FSB or the CIA?
No doubt it is more like Strauss-Kahn's sexual assault frame job in his hotel room than it was like Alexander Litvinenko 'being poisoned with polonium-210 tea.
The latter is the way Russia deals with double agents and traitors, while the former is the way America deals with someone they do not want to be the head the IMF.
It's as simple as that.
And then our Incredible Intern writes about the three incursions into Turkish air space (two of them in bad weather) like it was Francis Gary Powers flying his U-2 over Russia in 1960. He puts up some anytime anyplace pictures and is ready to takes his argument to SCOTUS if he loses his en banc appeal.
There's a downed drone for all the world to see, but without the Dalai Lama to vouch for its location. A drone not much bigger than Thick Willy's willy, looking like it was brought down by a butterfly net.
But why would Turkey go through a "charade" like this to demonstrate its anger and distrust of Russia? Perhaps it has to do with Turkey's EU accession negotiations to join the EU.
But Cyprus (whose depositors got royally screwed along with Russian in 2013 -- and according to the NYT its citizens are still seething):
To recapitulate, Turkey wants in to the EU but Cyprus has vetoed their application. The EU wants Turkey to help them staunch the flow of western created refugees into the Valhalla on the Danube and the Rhine. Turkey has pipeline deals cooking with Russia who also supplies them with arms. Cyprus and Russia were both gang raped by the European Central Bank and Germany 2 years ago.
Now if anyone here can put forward a scenario that Putin sent the Russian Nuland from Syria around to Tunis with cookies encouraging the victims of Western aggression and destruction to get on a boat from Turkey to Greece, THEN WE HAVE JUST WITNESSED SOMETHING LIKE GENSERIC AND THE VANDALS SACK OF ROME.
Brave Turkey , thumping its chest
Who wants roasted turkey for dinner?
No thanks, I dont wanna nuclear turkey.