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Peter Schiff’s Father Dies In Prison, Shackled To A Hospital Bed

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Most of you will be quite familiar with Peter Schiff. Fewer of you will know much about his father, Irwin Schiff, who was posthumously referred to as the “grandfather of the contemporary tax protest movement” in Forbes.

Irwin was treated very poorly by his own country, particularly toward the end of his life when, despite being legally blind and dying of cancer, he was not permitted to die in peace amongst family members.

His son Peter wrote the following as a tribute:

My father Irwin A. Schiff was born Feb. 23rd 1928, the 8th child and only son of Jewish immigrants, who had crossed the Atlantic twenty years earlier in search of freedom. As a result of their hope and courage my father was fortunate to have been born into the freest nation in the history of the world.  But when he passed away on Oct. 16th, 2015 at the age of 87, a political prisoner of that same nation, legally blind and shackled to a hospital bed in a guarded room in intensive care, the free nation he was born into had itself died years earlier.

 

My father had a life-long love affair with our nation’s founding principals and proudly served his country during the Korean War, for a while even having the less then honorable distinction of being the lowest ranking American soldier in Europe.  While in college he became exposed to the principles of Austrian economics through the writings of Henry Hazlitt and Frederick Hayek. He first became active in politics during Barry Goldwater’s failed 1964 presidential bid. His activism intensified during the Vietnam Era when he led local grass root efforts to resist Yale University’s plans to conduct aid shipments to North Vietnam at a time when that nation was actively fighting U.S. forces in the south. Later in life he staged an unsuccessful write in campaign for governor of Connecticut, then eventually lost the Libertarian Party’s presidential nomination to Harry Brown in 1996.

 

In 1976 his beliefs in free market economics, limited government, and strict interpretation of the Constitution led him to write his first book The Biggest Con: How the Government is Fleecing You, a blistering indictment of the post New Deal expansion of government in the United States. The book achieved accolades in the mainstream conservative world, receiving a stellar review in the Wall Street Journal, among other mainstream publications.

 

But my father was most known for his staunch opposition to the Federal Income Tax, for which the Federal Government labeled him a “tax protester.”  But he had no objection to lawful, reasonable taxation.  He was not an anarchist and believed that the state had an important, but limited role to play in market based economy.  He opposed the Federal Government’s illegal and unconstitutional enforcement and collection of the income tax.   His first book on this topic (he authored six books in total) How Anyone Can Stop Paying Income Taxes, published in 1982 became a New York Times best seller.  His last, The Federal Mafia; How the Government Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully collects Income Taxes, the first of three editions published in 1992, became the only non-fiction, and second and last book to be banned in America.  The only other book being Fanny Hill; Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure, banned for obscenity in 1821 and 1963.

 

His crusade to force the government to obey the law earned him three prison sentences, the final one being a fourteen-year sentence that he began serving ten years ago, at the age of 77.   That sentence turned into a life sentence, as my father failed to survive until his planned 2017 release date. However in actuality the life sentence amounted to a death sentence.  My father died from skin cancer that went undiagnosed and untreated while he was in federal custody.  The skin cancer then led to a virulent outbreak of lung cancer that took his life just more than two months after his initial diagnosis.

 

The unnecessarily cruel twist in his final years occurred seven years ago when he reached his 80th birthday. At that point the government moved him from an extremely low security federal prison camp in New York State where he was within easy driving distance from family and friends, to a federal correctional institute, first in Indiana and then in Texas.  This was done specially to give him access to better medical care.  The trade off was that my father was forced to live isolated from those who loved him.  Given that visiting him required long flights, car rentals, and hotel stays, his visits were few and far between.   Yet while at these supposed superior medical facilities, my father received virtually no medical care at all, not even for the cataracts that left him legally blind, until the skin cancer on his head had spread to just about every organ in his body.

 

At the time of his diagnosis in early August of this year, he was given four to six mouths to live.  We tried to get him out of prison on compassionate release so that he could live out the final months of his life with his family, spending some precious moments with the grandchildren he had barely known.  But he did not live long enough for the bureaucratic process to be completed.  Two months after the process began, despite the combined help of a sitting Democratic U.S. congresswoman and a Republican U.S. senator, his petition was still sitting on someone’s desk waiting for yet another signature, even though everyone at the prison actually wanted him released.   Even as my father lay dying in intensive care, a phone call came in from a lawyer and the Bureau of Prisons in Washington asking the prison medical representatives for more proof of the serious nature of my father’s condition.

 

As the cancer consumed him his voice changed, and the prison phone system no longer recognized it, so he could not even talk with family members on the phone during his finale month of life.  When his condition deteriorated to the point where he needed to be hospitalized, government employees blindly following orders kept him shackled to his bed.   This despite the fact that escape was impossible for an 87 year old terminally ill, legally blind patient who could barley breathe, let alone walk.

 

Whether or not you agree with my father’s views on the Federal Income Tax, or the manner by which it is collected, it’s hard to condone the way he was treated by our government.   He held his convictions so sincerely and so passionately that he continued to espouse them until his dying breath.  Like William Wallace in the final scene of Braveheart, an oppressive government may have succeeded in killing him, but they did not break his spirit.    And that spirit will live on in his books, his videos, and in his children and grandchildren.   Hopefully his legacy will one day help restore the lost freedoms he died trying to protect, finally allowing him to rest in peace.

I’d like to end this post on a lighter note, by sharing one of my favorite clips of Irwin, a man unappreciated by his country and left to die and elderly man, shackled to a cold hospital bed.

 

RIP Irwin Schiff.

 

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Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:37 | 6685393 So Close
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Taxes are voluntary..  Just ask the IRS.

Wed, 12/02/2015 - 14:02 | 6866367 assistedliving
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Mr. Schiff was probably an atheist; i hope he will accept my appreciation of his life & blessings to him and his family

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:45 | 6685422 Haole
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...and if you don't "volunteer"...

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:47 | 6685444 Haus-Targaryen
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This kind of this is coming to most outspoken Libertarians.  Be careful guys. 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:50 | 6685459 Herd Redirectio...
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This man wrote some fine books.  He even had a cartoon that he used to explain the economy, to high school students, I imagine, and it was great too!  Explaining an economy, and economic terms, in terms of fish!

Gone, but not forgotten.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:51 | 6685471 coinhead
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RIP Mr. Schiff.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:16 | 6685537 hedgeless_horseman
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Obama has issued just 64 pardons in his presidency — fewer than any president since James Garfield was assassinated in 1881.

...Garfield served only 200 days as president before being killed.

We tried to get him out of prison on compassionate release so that he could live out the final months of his life with his family, spending some precious moments with the grandchildren he had barely known.  But he did not live long enough for the bureaucratic process to be completed.  Two months after the process began, despite the combined help of a sitting Democratic U.S. congresswoman and a Republican U.S. senator, his petition was still sitting on someone’s desk waiting for yet another signature, even though everyone at the prison actually wanted him released.  

 

Free, Corzine!

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:27 | 6685613 Amish FinEng
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You Libertarians better pay your taxes, u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d?!

You federal friends in .gov have got honeypot websites to run and wheres that money going to come from? Oprah?

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:28 | 6685654 hedgeless_horseman
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You Statists better trust your government.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:23 | 6685785 Mr. Ed
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I remember the prison system used to run this guy from one detention facility to another just to stress him out... he called it "diesel therapy" (because of the exhaust fumes!). 

Irwin Schiff was a good and honorable man.  His only fault: he believed that truth, justice and integrity animated our courts and that if he tried hard enough logic and principles would carry the day.  He was so wrong!

In his later years, he was not the same person and did some things that didn't make a lot of sense; they had done something to his brain during his extended period of imprisonment.

When I look at a total PIECE OF SHIT like Jon Corzine aging gracefully, and then look a what happened to Irwin Schiff, I get a real sense of the depth of dishonor and disgrace our criminal justice system has fallen to.

Irwin Schiff, rest in peace.  You will be remembered.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:33 | 6685964 SoilMyselfRotten
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Aaron Russo also did a nice job in this video on the IRS/paying ones taxes called Freedom to Fascism. Boy, i miss this guy he had some great insights.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6ayb02bwp0

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:40 | 6686007 Billy the Poet
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They killed Irwin for the children. Because if folks don't pay taxes then there's no money to buy grenades to blow up the baby.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:12 | 6686150 Tonald J Drump
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don't worry, that shitbag criminal Corzine WILL receive a visit from Mr Karma , hopefully sooner rather than later ... 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:15 | 6686168 Four chan
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rip to a great man who was imprisoned for being right. a true patriot who fought against the monied interests. let no man say he was wrong.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:31 | 6686243 johngaltfla
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Irwin Schiff did more time in prison than every banker responsible for the 2007-2009 crash COMBINED.

Which of course was 0.00.

It's not the law, it's who you can bribe to administer the law now in this country and we will eventually pay a huge price for this corruption.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:15 | 6686470 macholatte
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I pay accountants thousands each year and file lots of tax returns for various entities for one reason - to be left alone.  That worked for a long time. But now, with the new police state it’s harder and harder to find solace.  RIP America.

Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.

- - John Adams

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:29 | 6686536 HamSandwich
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Is your accountant's name Tony Soprano? Because it sounds like you're just paying "protection" money ;-D

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:33 | 6686550 Son of Loki
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The so-called "law" is for the littel peeples.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 17:18 | 6686748 847328_3527
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Does anyone know if we'll have internet access in the FEMA camps?  I'd like to keep reading ZH while I'm there if at all possible.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 17:59 | 6686943 N2OJoe
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Convincing a man who's livelyhood is based upon the forced extraction of your income(read: any .gov employee) that you don't have to pay their "protection money" is always a losing proposition.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 01:32 | 6688355 Titus
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Irwin Schiff: A true American hero.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 08:06 | 6688749 clymer
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rest in peace, Irwin.

Sorry for your loss, Peter.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 16:51 | 6691123 Prisoners_dilemna
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The continuation and improvement of Irwins work.
Losthorizons.com bitchez.

Irwin Schiff was close and operated without the aid of Internet, but Pete Hendrickson got the ball over the goal line in 2005.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:20 | 6686496 JR
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There’s no protest against the bankers that they consider more significant than the refusal of their right to take the people’s money. To deny the legality of the tax system to a banker is the same as counterfeiting their fiat currency. The system will come down on any protester with the full force of the federal government.

The case of Peter Schiff’s father has all the earmarks of intentional and cruel punishment designed to provide an example.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 19:54 | 6687433 El Viejo
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Forget any religious beliefs you might or not have and research what they did to Kent Hovind.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 19:59 | 6687455 o r c k
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And he "set the bar" high enough so that everyone knows what they're ultimately reaching for. (Mr. Schiff)

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:47 | 6686615 Overfed
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We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system, and it is a weapon to be used against the little people.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 17:01 | 6686672 Herd Redirectio...
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Justice

Entertainment

World finance.  These industries have all been wholly corrupted.  Hitched to a wagon.  But meanwhile, look behind that shrub, I could have sworn I saw a Taliban Al-Qaeda ISIS suicide bomber!

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 17:15 | 6686720 WhackoWarner
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And that "woman" running for No. #1 declares that Snowden would have been treated fairly.  Hope you choke on your lies girl.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 05:00 | 6688533 conscious being
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girl? Kankled cannibal monster is more like it.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 20:17 | 6687546 TeMpTeK
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Even Rome crucified Jesus for being a tax protester...

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 23:30 | 6688134 resaci
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I knew Irwin, he went to my IRS audit in the 80's. He happened to be in town that day. I think it was for an event sponsored by "WE THE PEOPLE ACT" He was a happy man that enjoyed life as far as I saw. We had much fun that day. Irwin attracted quite a crowd, a dozen or so folks with signs marched in front of the entrance, protesting against the IRS. All the IRS employees that saw him looked shocked, they couldn't believe he was there. As we walked by them someone made threats, Irwin smiled, ...I don't recall what was said though.

I didn't prevail in the audit of my amended returns and was subsequently prosecuted for tax evasion. I can't have a gun now. Maybe Obummer will pardon me...   

                NOT!

 Anyway, no regrets, I met many fine people back then and Irwin Schiff was one.

 

It was a pleasure to know him, I hope I see him again when I pass from this fucked up world.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 06:12 | 6688572 Anonymous User
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You should have owned guns from the moment you got your driver license. 

As soon as possible isn't soon enough.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 19:24 | 6687289 So It Goes
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I hope you are right.

So far I have observed that it is mostly random.  I personally have not observed the "karma" yet.  But it is a nice thought.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 00:29 | 6688270 A Nanny Moose
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Death is too light a sentence for that slimy shitball, turd-burglar Corzine. May he fall in the woods, break both legs, be left to the ravages of nature's scavengers.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:41 | 6686011 1stepcloser
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He had to be dealt with as well... 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:41 | 6686004 Hubbs
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I think you need to emphasize more what a PIECE OF SHIT Jon Corzine is.  Seriously.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:13 | 6686152 Tonald J Drump
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that's a yuuuuuge insult to pieces of shit

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:15 | 6685886 Au Member
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Download Irwin Schiff's book here

 

http://www.paynoincometax.com/pdf/federal_mafia.pdf

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:42 | 6686591 Son of Loki
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Thank you!

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:51 | 6686062 Uchtdorf
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This is as sad as Waco. Nobody stood up and delivered the man from the hospital. My shame increases daily.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:20 | 6686497 Amish FinEng
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Sadly I agree with you. Over the years I've been very critical of Schiff.

Mea culpa.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 00:33 | 6688278 A Nanny Moose
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Opportunities for redemption are frequent in the morally bankrupt Kakistocracy. They cannot incarcerate everyone.

Free Ross Ulbrict

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 09:25 | 6689046 White Mountains
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They hate us for our Freedom.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:56 | 6686655 OzFan
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I want to draw people's attention to Hedgeless Horsemans post.

We have courageous men of true conviction, like Irwin Schiff, who would rather die standing fighting for truth then on their knees....and then we have wicked scum like Corzine, literally a thing of zero moral compass....one is shackled to his bead like an animal in his last days and the other is hugged by presidents and secretarys of state for defrauding billions.

This is the reality of the system....its totally transparent in how pollluted and broke and dangerous it is.....it will shackle and kill you if you even dare to expose the truth.

RIP Mr Irwin Schiff.....never forgotten.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 17:21 | 6686763 WhackoWarner
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@ Ozfan.    People all around me would rather bend over, would rather lie and cheat and steal than ever stand up for a belief.  Weak and scared population willing to make any kind of deal to remain unscathed.  Corzine is a thief and an aware thief....no different than most of my neighbours.  Quivering, afraid egoists willing to justify themselves as "upright" citizens of the community. Opportunistic, thieving, scared as bunnies, brainwashed people.  No thought for anything beyond themsleves.

 

RIP a good man.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 20:57 | 6687703 Hmmmmm
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RIP Irwin Schif, finally released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkDyHDyqYsQ

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:56 | 6686365 Max Cynical
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Peter, sorry about the loss of your father. He was a good and honorable man.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 21:34 | 6687851 Slomotrainwreck
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All he wanted was a legal taxation protocol.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 00:14 | 6688240 ejmoosa
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Irwin Schiff lived by his principles and died in jail because of his principles.

If and when we get control of this nation again, we will celebrate the life of this man on a national basis.

Until then, we will not forget you Irwin Schiff.

I have your book "The Kingdom of Moltz" on my desk.  It stays there as a reminder of you, and just what our government is willing to do to those that dissent and stand up for themselves.

 

 

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 02:34 | 6688417 OldPhart
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Honorable Salute

from the United States fucking Marine Corps.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:11 | 6685566 Perimetr
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The bell is not just tolling for Irwin Schiff . . . it is tolling for the former democratic republic which has become a fascist state.  What exactly will it take for people to say, "ENOUGH!"  ???

 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

 

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:32 | 6685677 LowerSlowerDela...
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The FSA is fighting hard for their "fair share" of other people's incomes.  The fight will be long and hard until the FSA agrees to be productive.  They currently make up about 49% of tax filers.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 00:06 | 6688220 greenskeeper carl
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the irwin schiff case, and income taxes in general, has nothing to do with the FSA, they are small potatoes. Irwin schiff and those like him are dangerous not because they would deprive the government of a small amount of revenue, but because of the idea they represent. they undermine the governments authority of its people, and that must not be tolerated.

 

Sorry to hear about your dad, peter. keep up the good fight, thats what he would want.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:32 | 6685680 SuperRay
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"I don't get that political crap. Besides, I'm playing FanDuel. Pass the Cheetos."

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:27 | 6686228 Cornfedbloodstool
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Out-lawed in Nevada.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:51 | 6686348 Theosebes Goodfellow
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I coulda' told ya' that was comin'. When the government isn't making money on a gambling racket they will outlaw it. Fuckers just can't stand competition.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 06:52 | 6688617 Wolfbay
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He must be part of some Jew conspiracy . Von Mises and Rothbard were Jews too.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 07:05 | 6688637 Wolfbay
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Come to think of it Marx was a Jew so communism is their fault. Rothschild was a Jew so capitalism is their fault and Ayn Rand was a Jew so Libertarianism is their fault.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:50 | 6685462 LowerSlowerDela...
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Aren't you glad that Obama and the democrats put the IRS in charge of enforcing ObamaCare?...  Buy gubmint stuff - OR GO TO JAIL.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:52 | 6685484 Haus-Targaryen
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"If you want your medicine you WILL pay your taxes." 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:39 | 6685998 Billy the Poet
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Flip that. Single payer is one of the red lines where I will stop participating with the criminal class entirely.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 17:25 | 6686780 WhackoWarner
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OBAMACARE is the joke of the world.  Legalized legislated profits to insurers.  Wonder why premiums are going through the roof?  USA handed monopolies to industry and made it mandatory for everyone to buy this bill of goods.

What a friggin joke.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 02:42 | 6688427 OldPhart
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And practically everyone, demoncrat or rethublicans, still has no fuckin' clue as to why their premiums went up by 60%.

I can't stand popcorn, but I do have my 200# pistachio stash, picking nuts now, will eat as they realize what they have.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:47 | 6685761 DisasterCapitalist
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If it's time to bury your guns, it's time to dig them up.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 06:14 | 6688577 lakecity55
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Thank goodness I am a berniehitleryjoe supporter.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:50 | 6685467 SHEEPFUKKER
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RIP Irwin

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:55 | 6685499 tmosley
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Of course they are. You can simply choose not to have any income, or better yet, just a bit of income--enough to maximize your welfare receipts. 

Let it all come tumbling down without so much as a shot fired.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:49 | 6685768 lincolnsteffens
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There is no law requiring human beings to pay taxes on what they receive for their labor. The Supremes ruled that the amendment authorizing the income tax made no changes to the American Constitution. The statutory law which was written by trained lawyers is so intentionally complicated that it takes a team of lawyers to figure out what lawfully applies to human beings as opposed to public officials and commercial entities.

Are you going to fight the IRS all the way to the Supremes at the cost of half to one million dollars or are you going to pay your $5K a year? That's what it will take, otherwise you will be locked up, have your accounts drained, your property attached. The methods the IRS which is only a contractor with the State has the "force of law known as de facto." You have not agreed but are being intimidated by threat to comply or your life will be made miserable.

One moral man that stood up and won was former IRS Special Agent Joe Banister. He should be regarded as a hero instead of a little known internet radio host "Agent for Truth".

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:05 | 6685841 redpill
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What is legal and what is not no longer matters.  The bottom is line is you either pay or you get chained to a bed until you die.

 

Sweet dreams.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:52 | 6686064 pazmaker
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You are correct and the State income tax is the same.  I was woken up one Saturday summer morning 6 years ago and the local police put me in cuffs and arrested me for failure to file and failure to pay state income taxes.  It was not fun!!!  Lawyer got me out and got me off but I file and pay every year now because I do not want to be in jail/prison.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:58 | 6686660 kill switch
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These fuckers can't injure him any longer as he is in a better place in the great beyond.

 

RIP My dear friend….

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:03 | 6685531 junction
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That's Obama for you, what a wonderful guy when this murderer is not ordering false flag attacks that kill kids and then covers up his crimes by sending his death squads out to murder anyone who knows too much.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:57 | 6686379 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Speaking of ol' Barry Soetoro...

And in case you haven't seen it:

http://conservativepapers.com/news/2011/04/14/trump-uncovers-truth-obama...

I pray that someday Barry shares Irwin's ultimate fate. Then I would know that American justice wasn't lost.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:17 | 6685532 wisefool
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R.I.P. Mr. Schiff. The best tribute I could give for you as follows, in the description of a man who is his exact opposite in character.

 

Harry Reed:

Paying income tax in America is Voluntary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg

 

Harry Reed: 

Harry Reid Sues Exercise Equipment Manufacturer For Injuries (loss of sexual vigor)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/harry-reid-eye-injury-lawsuit_561565...

And for the Kicker. Harry Reid and his "family" have been milking the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository construction for billions of dollars for decades. But they keep saying that they don't think we should actually put the waste there. We should probably just store it indefinitely in temporary cooling pools on top of the reactors "strategically" located someplace near every single american citizen.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:29 | 6685664 _SILENCER
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Didn't Reid's alcoholic brother kick his faggotty ass? The excercise accident is total horseshit.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:39 | 6685700 wisefool
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I was going with the idea that his wife did it, for the reasons stated in the lawsuit. Thats kinda how passive-agressive statists work /Enough of my thread derailing

Thank you again Mr. Schiff. May the Good Lord protect you and keep you.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:31 | 6686242 Cornfedbloodstool
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Morman Cunt!

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:59 | 6686395 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Those meetings are anonymous for good reason...you shouldn't repeat rumors from AA meetings -- doing so has a potentially bad impact on people far removed from Harry Reid.  It is no joke.

As for the asshole who started the rumor it is doubtful that they are actually AA and if they are it is obvious they need to focus on their own program and keep their fucking mouth shut with regard to what they see and hear at meetings.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 06:33 | 6688592 lakecity55
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"What you say here and what you hear here let it remain here."

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:16 | 6685602 Eireann go Brach
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But the US Govt will allow the Lockerbie bomber to leave jail and go back to Middle East due to illness. 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 16:49 | 6686624 OneHorseCarriage
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That is because he was innocent. It was a Western govt. farce.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:23 | 6685607 Takeaction2
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Peter...I know you are reading this......Thank You for what you do...you speak out for us that do not have a public voice as you do.  My condolances to your family.  Your father stood for something in a day and age where most people stand for nothing.  He will be remembered...especially here with the ZH crowd.  Next time you are on CNBS or one of the other channels live....give them hell, do not let them talk over you, tell them they are full of shit on live tv.  Do it for us, and do it for your father...RIP Irwin.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:16 | 6685893 Fukushima Fricassee
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Dito

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:34 | 6685969 gaoptimize
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Peter, There will be a time when a statue of your father will be built by free men.  When that time comes, please post it here so we can contribute.  Your father was a hero, a decent man in indecent times, and I'm sorry for your loss.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:28 | 6685970 gaoptimize
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dup.  Sorry

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:39 | 6685401 MagicHandPuppet
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If you love your government, you are a fool.

Wed, 12/16/2015 - 18:35 | 6932411 optimator
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He had the courage of his convictions.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:49 | 6685454 cossack55
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or a nazi.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:53 | 6685790 lincolnsteffens
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Or a paid troll.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:28 | 6685940 SoilMyselfRotten
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or mentally retar...er,  challenged

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 17:20 | 6686762 mkkby
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Or one of 100 million plus who are in the FSA, a gov employee, a gov contractor or a lobbyist

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 06:35 | 6688595 lakecity55
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Or a Commie.

But worst of all, possibly a Bankster.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:52 | 6685479 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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There is a sad streak of meanness amongst the functionaries of the US government at all levels.  Indeed it even permiates the citizens as this train we are on continues rolling along (google "Hitchbot").

 

I have not followed Peter's father's career or legal troubles at all but even if we are to assume the he was a simple con man giving poor legal advice, how the hell can they justify letting him die like that except for pure vindictiveness?.  I don't even know if I believe it is intended as a warning to others.  I think they are just that sick and small as human beings.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:57 | 6685504 hedgeless_horseman
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There is a sad streak of meanness amongst the functionaries of the US government at all levels.

Yes, there is certainly some torturer in every cop that uses a taser.

"How do you like that?  Uh huh.  That's what I thought.  It hurts.  Don't it?"

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:41 | 6685408 yogibear
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A 1996 speech:

He was right about the corruption:

Irwin Schiff at the Libertarian Convention 1996

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_yq6PCdYk

Mon, 12/21/2015 - 12:45 | 6949256 80210
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I knew this man personally and spent a decent amount of time with him decades ago - a man of true honor and integrity. He was an incredible patriot and had the courage to walk the talk. He died an American hero ... He paid the ultimate price for fighting for our Freedoms and should never be forgotten...  

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:41 | 6685409 Confundido
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My condolences to the Schiff family. This is sad news and can only hope will serve to open eyes.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:46 | 6685440 bigdumbnugly
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echoed.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:42 | 6685416 Conax
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I'm surprised they didn't take him to Gitmo for re-education and their personal amusement.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:42 | 6685417 Lost in translation
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Wow, sad news indeed.

A lake of fire awaits those who did this to him.  R.I.P. Mr. Schiff.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:34 | 6685699 dirtscratcher
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Alongside the youtube video "Peter Schiff was right" should be another "Irwin Schiff was right, too".

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_zvAdzrQcQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHP_doQ7jXI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btJtIImmGfw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULYI6H9LPKQ

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:45 | 6685421 Anasteus
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Condolence, Peter

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:42 | 6685423 RedDwarf
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Deplorable and vile.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:43 | 6685424 Government need...
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Just keep making your list, and checking it twice.  So when it's time for payback you know to whom you should be naughty (or nice).

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:44 | 6685430 Dr. Engali
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Must have been the wrong kind of Jew.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:51 | 6685468 Son of Loki
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He was definitely the wrong minority. Barry would never invite hom over to the wh for a beer.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:51 | 6685469 Herd Redirectio...
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Yep, a real self-hater.  His mistake was not asking for the Fed and IRS to be abolished outright.

 

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:39 | 6685993 MasterControl
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I thought you hate all memebers of "the tribe"?

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:45 | 6685433 Loucleve
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The book The Federal Mafia is available FOR FREE if you click the link above (the title of the book, in blue).

share it with friends!  and then buy MVF, Munivest tax free yielding 6.5%.

with market risk, of course.  starve the beast.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 14:43 | 6686023 ghengis86
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honeypot?

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:46 | 6685438 Republi-Ken
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TAX CHEATS ARE DEADBEATS.

ONLY LIBERTARIANS FIND DEADBEATS INSPIRING.

OR CORRUPT 5' 6"  CONSERVATIVE RUSSIAN PRESIDENTS

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:48 | 6685453 bigdumbnugly
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trolling for replies and votes?

but no one taking the bait today?

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:50 | 6685464 JamaicaJim
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I will.

 

FUCK YOU Republic-CuntKen....Jesus Tits you are a nasty fucktard

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:12 | 6685513 Al Huxley
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Don't waste your time, I'm pretty sure Republi-Ken is a robo poster, not a real person.

 

EDIT: Ooooo, but a real high-end robo-poster, smart enough to downvote negative replies (though not smart enough to write coherent posts in the first place).

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:54 | 6685492 rejected
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Even low enough to insult the dead.

What kind of a pathetic creature are you?

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:15 | 6685595 Bill of Rights
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From where I sit it looks like Ken takes 5'6" Dick right up his ass...

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:12 | 6686146 Laughinggrizzley
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creatorwith certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:46 | 6685439 Reaper
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The State is their cruel worshiped god.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:47 | 6685447 Grouchy Marx
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Rest in Peace, Irwin. You are a hero.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:47 | 6685450 cyberfossil
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Rest in Peace--unlike the rest of your years under cruel sentence of the IRS of the USG.   Condolences to Peter and the whole family.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:49 | 6685455 yogibear
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Irwin was a man of priciples and died in pursuing those. We need more people like him.

The whole reason we broke away from England has been nullified by the IRS and private banksters.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:52 | 6685481 r3ct1f13r
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Respect.

We need to be more like him.

This one stings.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:49 | 6685457 JamaicaJim
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Condolences Peter.

 

...and FUCK the US government and the vile I.R.S.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:54 | 6685491 Government need...
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IRS = grandfather of civil asset forfeiture.  

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:50 | 6685460 Son of Captain Nemo
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God Damn this Country!

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:15 | 6685599 Talleyrand
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This government. Not the same thing.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:50 | 6685466 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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You can't fight City Hall, the State, or the Federal Government, but you can FUCK them if you work at it , and focus on their weaknesses, believe me.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 17:30 | 6686800 mkkby
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Yep, this was Shiff's mistake.  Never attack them at their strength, and the corrupt triad of legal system, cops and judges is that strength.

The soft underbelly is working outside the system.  Resist in any way you can get away with.  Just don't get caught.  If that catches on, it will eventually replace the existing system.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:51 | 6685470 SmittyinLA
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Jews getting thrown under the bus by the Jewish legal establishment to die horrible deaths for opposing their authority is as old as Christianity

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:51 | 6685476 ParkAveFlasher
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The saddest part is that the tax code is only a re-allocation mechanism for sloshing currency, used to starve or engorge real wealth machines of capital feedstock.  The government doesn't need taxes to fund daily government activities, it simply prints what it needs while enforcing universal utility of what it prints.  The parasites outweigh the hosts.  RIP Mr. Schiff.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:00 | 6686089 logicalman
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The promise of people's taxes is what backs the currency.

As far as the controllers are concerned, the taxpayer is the cow and the tax is the milk.

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:52 | 6685480 Don Pancho
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Irwin schiff is a true heroe...

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:53 | 6685483 Son of Loki
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I have always admired Peter Schiff as a real leader and contrarian thinker who studies and abides by fundamentals and a strong sense of financial right and wrong.

Who knew the thieves and thugs would be running Wall Street as well as DC and the regulatory bodies?

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:52 | 6685485 SmittyinLA
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right agenda, wrong strategy, he never read "rules for radicals". 

 

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:57 | 6685488 Tjeff1
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It is so sad to see the lack of original Rights that were "guaranteed" by the original founding documents of this country.  How far we have fallen.

 

This video certainly rings true:

The story of your Enslavement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:56 | 6685495 Wookie
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Makes you proud to be a part of this system huh? (sarc)

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 12:58 | 6685508 I woke up
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Peter, sorry for your loss

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:01 | 6685519 Al Huxley
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Wow, it's good to see the bureaucracy looking after our safety like that - thank god they've got the balls necessary to chain 85 year old blind men to beds.  I feel I can really trust them to look after my interests now.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:25 | 6685641 g speed
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If somewhere in gods plan I become the keeper of the keys I will extend the same courtesies to any gov't connected persons under my purview that were extended to Mr Schiff Sr.   --just saying----

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:47 | 6685763 Oldwood
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Hey, they were just doing as they were told. The oldest excuse in the book.

Tue, 10/20/2015 - 16:36 | 6691070 Abaco
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If they voice that excuse they condemn themselves.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:03 | 6686110 logicalman
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He might have escaped but for that. He'd have been such a danger to others if he hadn't been shackled.

Anyone need more proof that the government is just a criminal gang?

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:01 | 6685523 Archive_file
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Fuck the U.S. Government. Long live Putin.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:11 | 6685568 Soul Glow
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You make a good point even if you are joking about Putin living long.

The US MSM chastises Putin for his policies but then arrests this man for oppsoing them.  

No government is trust worthy.  We need a revolution.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:02 | 6685524 sleigher
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That's right bitches.  Pay your duty to the king or die in the dungeon.  At least Irwin stood for his beliefs.  More than many can say.

 

R.I.P  Mr. Schiff

 

 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:03 | 6685529 PrimalScream
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My deepest condolences to Peter Schiff and his family.  I can't begin to imagine how you must feel. 

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:05 | 6685539 Nico Bellik
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& we let the lockerbie bomber free to be with relatives because of cancer

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 15:04 | 6686119 logicalman
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That guy was a patsy and a pawn in the criminal games of government.

Mon, 10/19/2015 - 13:06 | 6685545 justdues
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An honest , brave and decent Jewish man , murdered and martyred essentially by the elite of his own tribe . Remember the IRS is the unlawful collection agency of the banksters to pay them in sweat equity the non existent interest on non existant debt. They must have called Irwin a "self-hater"

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