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Did The United Nations Just Call For The Decriminalization Of All Drugs?
Submitted by Carey Welder via TheAntiMedia.org,
News circulated Monday morning that the United Nations had officially called for the decriminalization of all drugs in a brief, two-page report. Richard Branson, CEO of Virgin, hinted on Sunday that the announcement would be made, but by Monday morning, the U.N. announced it had no such intention and that the document merely reflected the author’s opinion. Even so, the BBC and Branson himself suggest the document was withdrawn following resistance from at least one country.
As Richard Branson wrote in a blog post before the official release of the report:
“In an as-yet unreleased statement circulated to the BBC, myself and others, the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), which has shaped much of global drug policy for decades, call on governments around the world to decriminalise drug use and possession for personal consumption for all drugs.”
The report was to be released at an international harm reduction conference in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Branson continued:
“It’s exciting that the UNODC has now unequivocally stated that criminalisation is harmful, unnecessary and disproportionate, echoing concerns about the immense human and economic costs of current drug policies voiced earlier by UNAIDS, the World Health Organisation, UNDP, The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, UN Women, Kofi Annan and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.”
However, Branson, a long-time opponent of the Drug War, wrote that as he drafted his blog post, the briefing had already drawn harsh opposition. “But as I’m writing this,” he said, “I am hearing that at least one government is putting an inordinate amount of pressure on the UNODC.”
He concluded:
“Let us hope the UNODC, a global organisation that is part of the UN and supposed to do what is right for the people of the world, does not do a remarkable volte-face at the last possible moment and bow to pressure by not going ahead with this important move.”
By Monday, the U.N. had disputed Branson’s announcement of the document. “The briefing paper on decriminalisation mentioned in many of today’s media reports, and intended for dissemination and discussion at a conference in Kuala Lumpur, is neither a final nor formal document … and cannot be read as a statement of UNODC policy,” a spokesperson announced.
As the Guardian summarized:
“United Nations sources stressed that the briefing paper did not mark a major change in UN policy. They pointed out that such a historic shift would not have been announced at another organisation’s conference and would have had to gone through its policymaking process first.”
Regardless, the disputed two-page document was penned by Dr. Monica Beg, who chairs the HIV/AIDs section of the UNODC. She noted multiple consequences of the continued War on Drugs, including excessive imprisonment. “[W]orldwide, millions of people are imprisoned for minor, non-violent drug offences,” she wrote, suggesting that “arrest and incarceration are disproportionate measures.“
While the document acknowledges that governments have a duty under international law to reduce the supply and trade of drugs, it also affirms that these governments are responsible for adhering to human rights’ obligations. The document concludes that the U.N. will not force member states to criminalize drug possession and use on a personal scale. Rather, it suggests that “Member states should consider the implementation of measures to promote the right to health and to reduce prison overcrowding, including by decriminalizing drug use and possession for personal use.”
This type of policy has seen success in Portugal, where drugs were decriminalized in 2001 and rates of use decreased. At least one town in Massachusetts has opted to treat addiction to heroin rather than prosecute it.
The paper suggests several strategies like these, including investing in drug-prevention programs and treatment for drug dependency. It makes clear that it advocates decriminalization, in part, “as a key element of the HIV response among people who use drugs.”
In spite of the groundbreaking implications of the two-page document, the U.N. maintains the document was meant only as a suggestion (the BBC notes that the UNODC has been under increased pressure to take a stance). The language of the conclusion implies the document was a suggestion, considering it urges that member countries “should consider” decriminalization.
However, the text of the document, printed on official agency stationery, also says the report “clarifies the position of UNODC to inform country responses to promote a health and human rights approach to drug policy,” making the UNODC’s true intentions difficult to decipher.
Denials from the U.N. were swift and vehement. Official statements also denied Branson’s claims that at least one member nation pushed back against the recommendations:
“[The document] remains under review and UNODC regrets that, on this occasion, there has been an unfortunate misunderstanding about the nature and intent of this briefing paper. UNODC emphatically denies reports that there has been pressure on UNODC to withdraw the document. But it is not possible to withdraw what is not yet ready,” an official U.N. response said.
Regardless of whether or not the document was intended to be one person’s suggestion or an officially proposed policy — or whether countries are exerting undue pressure on the U.N. following its release — the mere suggestion of decriminalizing drugs, in and of itself, reflects the changing landscape of drug prohibition.
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The US/CIA will surely oppose that. Heroin production up 3500% since US invaded Afghanistan.
AFGHAN OPIUM PRODUCTION INCREASES 35-FOLD SINCE U.S. INVASIONhttp://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/10/afghan-opium-produ...
Cost money to feed an army.
Why again is Branson in the loop on the goings on at the U.N.?
This will cause a real problem for the big US banks, who have a leg up currently being the primary distributor in the drug monopoly.
If you think I'm crazy, do some math on the amounts and quantities used by the public, multiplied by the population in each city, mulitplied by the number of states, etc... There is no way in hell that Jimbob is supplying the massive amounts needed by stuffing it in the spare tire hold of his Bronco and trying to cross into the US. People need to wake up.
There is a very large, centrally planned distribution organizing in place bringing in the TONS needed and consumed weekly.
...just the conspiratorial part of muh brain thinking but could this relate to the cashless society?
Alex Jones was ranting yesterday that everyone knows the War on Drugs is a joke, and that they need to clear the Prisons for future Eco Green Police busts. Perhaps this explains the sick feeling in my stomach, as we all know that the UN doesn't improve anything.
If they didn't call for it outright, it's pretty high on their agenda
One World government. One World economy. One World religion. How to get there? Drug the world.
It's not that sinister, they just need the revenue. If it is illegal, you can't tax it.
The UN should be proud of its peace-keeping accomplishments in the Middle East...and all thier nobel work in Central Africa
Lets cheer those sweet fellows with the blue helmets on, whatdya say?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/11/un-peacekeepers-accused-kil...
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bingo... was thinking the same thing...
I'm pretty sure you can find that at least a couple of the big banks have been caught laundering money for cartels. This ties into why you probably don't need cash to move large amounts of drugs. Distributing it to the users, OTOH, presents a challenge in a cashless society.
"Doctors."
(I think that's the tersest yet meaningful post I can muster).
El, See my post above.
Narco-Dollars For Beginners
How The Money Works In The Illicit Drug Trade
The cashless society works for the bankers and the .gov suppliment this with a black market gold/ silver ie money to fullfill the drugtrade needs and were off.
Then when there is a drug bust the police get the gold instead of fiat... hmmm a win win win for the .gov... they need to replace the gold in fort knox some how.
Never gonna happen. The drug trade is a double bonus for .gov. The for-profit prison system/politician circle-jerk keeps jerkin and TPTB can run all the drugs for dealers with the right connections. It's a fucking gravy train!
It's gonna happen - this is just another step so they can get rid of paper cash - to do that the black markets will have to be shut down first , that means decriminalising drugs so people can buy them with plastic and bitcoin.
I agree. Getting rid of cash is likely their goal in doing this.
Never thought of that. Very interesting.
Your post should have the highest up votes.
YOU have NAILED it. THAT IS the reason.
Perfect to the Point.
It's nothing to do with humanitarian interests in any direction.
Cutting-edge logic... only in places like ZH. crazytechnician really did nail it. Smartphones + digiMoney will pave the way for the implementation.
People like us will be barbarous relics of a not-so-ancient past.
You got it, Here's a picture of Grasso when he was the head of the NYSE hugging a columbia FARC guy, doing a business call.
http://www.narconews.com/narcodollars1.html
In late June 1999, numerous news services, including Associated Press, reported that Richard Grasso, Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange flew to Colombia to meet with a spokesperson for Raul Reyes of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia (FARC), the supposed "narco terrorists" with whom we are now at war. The purpose of the trip was "to bring a message of cooperation from U.S. financial services" and to discuss foreign investment and the future role of U.S. businesses in Colombia.Here's your primer.
Narco-Dollars For Beginners
How The Money Works In The Illicit Drug Trade
http://solari.com/old-articles/scoop_narco_dummies.htm
The phony War on Drugs is an unlimited ATM for the Prison-Industrial complex, not to mention a massive boon to police, lawyers, the courts, DEA, etc, etc, etc. The drug trade provides almost unlimited black budgets for the CIA and their ilk - and they have the ability to shut down any low-level investigators who get too close (like Mike Rupert) - it's perfect for them. There are too many filthy pigs gorging themselves at the trough of the Drug War - legalizing this stuff would drastically reduce their slop. They will ALL fight tooth and nail against legalization.
This lady had the story covered years ago;
http://www.narconews.com/narcodollars1.html
http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/narcoDollars.html
http://www.dunwalke.com/
unfortunately you are definitely right.
just finished reading a book 'Dope.Inc' on this, the global wholesale trade dates back to 1860 and China Opium Wars run by the British. Same business, same people, just the supplying areas diversify (also inclusing Afghanistan lately). recently HSBC got fined ;) for this
the book available also here: https://archive.org/details/DopeInc.BritainOpiumWarAgainstTheUs1978.pdfV...
HMMM, may be .... he smells big profits??
Yes, they smell big profits, profits derived from the destruction of society and childhood as we have all known it. Imagine what it's like to have parents who are heroin addicts.
And just think how much money states can make selling dope to your kids and grandkids. Just think of the legions of drug-addicted youthful prostitutes that will be enslaved by dope. It'll be a virtual paradise for the typical corn-holing pedophile politician.
It's time to take up arms and overthrow the bastards by force. Murder is too good for these pro-dope political swine.
And just think how much money states can make selling dope to your kids and grandkids.
You mean, like they do with Alcohol? I'm always interested to know from people who oppose legalization: "If they make heroin legal, are you going to rush out and buy some?" Why do people immediately assume that everyone is going to become a drug addict? Is everyone you know an alcoholic? Legalization, BTW, doesn't mean "no controls." In my opinion, legalization will eventually reduce useage because the people who are going to go hog wild are going to self-limit.
"In my opinion, legalization will eventually reduce useage because the people who are going to go hog wild are going to self-limit."
I think you mean, the idiot kids and young adults who are going to go hog wild.
Dope is already being used to enslave our youth today. Make dope legal, and there's a greatly reduced criminal and civil liability for the purveyors of dope. It's easy enough to put heroin, crack cocaine and numerous other kinds of drugs in a joint. Dope is quite commonly being used to create sex slaves out of our youth.
Look at your assinine example of legal booze. If your kid OD's on booze, you cannot sue the manufacturer or the purveyor of the booze that killed your kid, unless you can find an adult who supplied it to your kid. That's the only one who's got any weight of the law restraining their actions, typically some irresponsible, pennyless a-hole! The manufacturer gets off scot free. The store that sold the booze that killed you child gets off scot free. And you are left trying to get a lawyer to sue some jerk who doesn't have a fucking penny to his name.
Today with heroin, if your kid, or even your wife, OD's on heroin, the criminal and civil liability for anyone involved in the supply chain is 100% enforceable, severably so. You can sue a dealer five steps removed from the actual suppplier of the dope. In the case of Big Pharma, you can even sue Big Pharma, if you can prove they are recklessly distributing their Oxycontin, and that's what killed your relative.
As for your suggestion that legalization will reduce drug use, your opinion doesn't measure up to the very strong evidence in Colorado and Washington state, where drug use of all types, and murderous drug gangs, are on a steady rise.
Dope is for dummies. And there are plenty of dummies in this world, apparently YOU INLUDED!
Dope criminalization is for dummies. By making marijuana illegal, you have created a black market infrastructure 40 times the size than would exist for heroin alone. A marijuana black market is a gateway black market. Don't worry though, average intelligence is on the rise and soon the only voters who will exist will be the ones smart enough to realize that this is a failed policy.
"By making marijuana illegal [...]"
You lost me. No one is making pot illegal. It is already illegal.
The way to beat all dope usage back, is to increase fines for possession, take away the drivers license of those convicted of possession, and once someone is convicted of possession of any kind of dope, require those convicted to obtain a psychiatrist's written statement that they are off the dope, and likely to stay off the dope, before reinstating their drivers license.
This is all just common sense. This is a public safety issue. People high on any kind of dope should not be driving, end of story!
So much for marijuana making for smarter people and better drivers. Look at the moronic posts here. And as far as I am concerned, if someone tests positve for THC in their system, they should not be driving. Potheads have stunted brains, inept social skills and are prone to jumping to irrational conclusions because they are more often halucinating than not.
Oh! And by the way. What's with the size eighteen swimsuit fat chick with the saggy boobs, the one pint belly-button, and her legs spread apart to the left of these posts? What a pig. SOOOOOO-EEEE!
"What a pig. SOOOOOO-EEEE!"
You fucking cops are all the same. Ignorant, holier than thou cunts. you cant even science right, so why in the fuck should anyone listen to anything you fucking say? your baseless stereotyping and rash, illogical thought patterns denotes mental retardation. Im guessing youre addicted to steroids, you beat your wife and you give glory hole blowjobs at th elocal truck stop, you know, siince your a cop and we're all about stereotypes.
Fucking people like you have no business on this website. There is free speech and there is propaganda, you sir spit early 20th century propaganda, pure and simple. Understand, pig?
"Oh! And by the way. What's with the size eighteen swimsuit fat chick with the saggy boobs, the one pint belly-button, and her legs spread apart to the left of these posts? What a pig. SOOOOOO-EEEE!"
Its called targetted advertising - they take YOUR location, YOUR search history, and YOUR browsing habits and display ads that the algorithm thinks YOU would click on.
Odds are that no one else sees quite the same range of ads as anyone else, so that particular one says a lot about YOU.
halucinating off of Maryjane is not possible! no matter how much you smoke or ingest!
The differnce between Alcohol and Maryjane:
Will never work. There is a monopoly on force and individuals are not it.
Starve the beast. If you don't water the plant, it can't grow.
"The only winning move is not to play."
Same reasons why Bono and Angelina Jolie are...
It's an illuminati stronghold.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain (It's time to toss the dice)
The Daily Economist
because he's a BadAssed TurnedOn M***F****in Virgin King !
Balloons?
He'd be an expert on floating trial balloons.
Cost of money to feed a Criminal Intelligence Agency.
funny, while I agree with decriminlaizing drugs 100%, I hear this and wonder what the UN is up to. SInce we already know that the UN does.not.care.at.all about human rights or human suffering or jailing nonviolent people, etc, since they have either directly participated in or tacitly endorsed much of the wholesale slaughter we have seen over the past couple decades, and with all of this "global warming" bullshit, they are actively trying to enslave us, why are they REALLY doing this?
Must be short the criminal-industral complex.
My guess is to destabilize what's left of family culture. If the War on Drugs didn't get yours, perhaps a free for all will.
And it will force you to lie on your BATFE form 4473 when attempting to legaly purchase a firearm from a FFL. Instant disqualification for legal firearm ownership.
That could be it, but they are up to no good. we will never go for it as we have a huge dark funding mechanism, multiple enforement agencies and corporate encarceration economy with it. Seems like a complex economic shift with unknown fallout.
Can't lie to the government, for they surely would never lie to you.
pods
Right. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your helth care plan.
It is a conspiracy to annoy you, specifically.
I guess they figured they can't break the Human will with force alone aka "stick" so it's time for the "carrot"
USA clearly needs more deadbeats and junkies
sad to see how many fall into the lamestream consciousness of thinking only about the dipshit drugs, heroin & cocaine....
the most important nutrients to humanity to overcome psychopathic rule are the following :
MDMA - DMT - LSD - DMT - 2CB - K- Beer & Wine
want to still be addicted to the word & ideology programming of the psychopaths, stay with their current prescribed diet of BS and SSRI crapola.
Actually, we need more fact based commentators and leadership. There are a number of countries who have gone the legalization route and seen a reduction in addiction.
Just Google Portugal and decriminalization for instance.
Prohibition does not work - has never worked
The root causes of deadbeats and junkies is where we should be focused, not on the symptoms of the disease.
.."Prohibition of guns can't work no matter how much money you spend, but prohibition of cannabis can work if we only spend more money"..
..and this thread of wisdom comes from the same pieholes.
Decriminalizing illicit drugs is bad for organized drug gangs (including the See Eye Eh), but good for local police, who will then be able to make money by handing out DUI tickets.
Decriminalize hate.
party on east 42nd?
Legalize drugs and the CIA will be out of business selling furniture out the back.
Unequivical YES.
I dunno...if they now control all flows of spice, and test states have at least proven the price of legal weed can remain the same, perhaps they are aiming at turning everyone outside of a prison into a zombie while still reaping mad cash. I think they recognize this highest incarceration rate meme is gaining legs and cannot go on forever. Best of all, it's now legal(ish).
Understand. Kinda depends on what barriers to entry are erected.
"...perhaps they are aiming at turning everyone outside of a prison into a zombie..." That's an issue of personal responsibility and resisting the promotion and propaganda of drugs. I'm not pro-drugs, just pro legalization, though I have experienced a few.
I could go for some opium balls. Sounds good.
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1976 for me!
If what you do causes no harm to another, how the hell can that be illegal?
It will never happen in Amerika though, the CIA would go broke and the (private) prisons would be empty.
Edit:
Still this would be wrong on many levels, as again it would be the government giving you persmission to do something they have no business regulating.
pods
Rackets, an old, tried and true business model.
This is deception. It says "non-medical" decriminalization. So drugs the FDA regulates by preventing terminal patients from trying something that might work or extend their life is still illegal. All the medical drugs are still completely regulated. Can't buy from a pharmacy out of country. Medical uses should be the first thing to be decriminalized!
If what you do causes no harm to another, how the hell can that be illegal?
For many of the causal users of drugs and alcohol, this may be true.
But you cannot seriously suggest that destructive use of addictive drugs and alcohol has no effect on friends and families around them? Really?
So let’s at least be honest, there is a (not insignificant percentage) of the population who simply cannot handle these substances. And when the substance is "legalized" there will be more people who succumb to addiction with all its mess.
Are you prepared to deal with these folks in a compassionate way?
sschu
"Are you prepared to deal with these folks in a compassionate way?"
Yes. It should be a health/community issue, not a legal issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9DcIMGxMs
For alcohol, the numbers are staggering. Somewhere between 8-10% of the population is considered an alcoholic and about the same are problem drinkers. That means there are about 30 million alcoholics and another 30 million problem drinkers. Drug numbers are different, but they will certainly go up significantly if the substance is legalized.
Anything society can do to decrease (not increase) these numbers needs to be done. Not sure why we are going to opposite way where we increase the number of people facing addiction.
I agree, incarceration is not the answer, but neither is legalization. I do not want these substances to be made more available.
What is an interesting study is the net effect of prohibition on alcohol consumption in the early 1900s. If one moves beyond the headlines and propaganda from the media, consumption went down significantly. I see this as a good thing. Take a look at the cultural forces that drove this rule, it is quite revealing.
sschu
Sorry, I cannot accept that some sort of benevolent authority knows what is better for me than I do.
Drug addiction is usually a side effect of some sort of trauma that has not been dealt with. Remove the need to change your state of mind, remove the addiction.
But people are always looking to change their states of mind, albeit in short windows. Kids spin in circles to feel dizzy and fall down naturally. It is programmed in.
You using the term "society" is nothing more than a sweet way of saying government, aka the legal monopoly of force.
It stems from a deep belief in either your fellow man's ability to decide what is best for him/her or whether you think that choice should be taken away and given to the government.
I cannot accept that.
As an aside, free money (from the government) has destroyed more people than drugs ever will. And free money enables people to not have to take care of themselves.
It is the loss of self reliance that destroys the spirit, whether that is from drugs, government cheese, or mommy and daddy doing everything for you. What you end up with are adults who call the police because they see a mouse in their apartment.
pods
For the record, I am not advocating "government" as part of the solution, it was you who are suggesting I did.
This idea that we can all "take care of ourselves" if just left alone does not pass the reality test. In a perfect world maybe yes, but we will not achieve that perfection until the return of the Lord.
Drug addiction is usually a side effect of some sort of trauma that has not been dealt with. Remove the need to change your state of mind, remove the addiction.
Often it is. How does one remove this trauma? This is hard work that requires a LOT of personal interaction to accomplish and is many times unsuccessful. Sometimes this is called an intervention. Ultimately if someone does not want to deal with it there is nothing an outsider can do. The legalization crowd by definition causes more people to succumb to this despair. No thanks I say.
sschu
Yes you are advocating government. You said "society."
There is no society. There is government. Society does not have the monopoly on force, the government does. So if "society" wishes to implement something that others do not want, you need force, ie government.
Rest my case. Society, meaning the majority, can impose their ideals on the minority only through government force.
You, as an individual can say "no thanks" all you want. If you want to make someone else say "no thanks," you need coersion, and need government force to accomplish this.
pods
Obviously you have never heard of charitable organizations. Please do not assign to me that I am "advocating government", I am doing nothing of the kind. I have spent 5+ years volunteering with a non-profit Christian based recovery organization that refuses to take government money, for good reason.
Unfortunately we live in a world which is hierarchical. Someone needs to be the boss, this idea of no-one-in-charge is absurd. George Gilder calls this mindset the "flat earthers" and for good reason.
Someone has to lead, you may not like it, and the leaders may be corrupt and incompetent, but get used to it. I am far from advocating for what we have, but the alternative of “no government” is not based upon reality.
sschu
You lost me when you said the lord will return....maybe your smoking the good stuff.
The drug war is the most contrived debacle of all time, it punishes the weak to reward crooked politicians. If every drug was legalized, yes we would have to figure out a way to ensure public safety. But it is just a bs argument saying that there would be a rampant increase in violent behavior because there is more access to weed. Please give me the stats of the violent crime.
I am not talking about the increase (theoretical) of violent crime when you legalize the use of drugs, especially pot. Maybe there is, maybe there is not, that is not the point.
The concern of mine is the human cost to the addicted people and society (family members especially) by increased drug use. This is the real tragedy and no amount of "its their fault they are addicted" can negate that effect.
I have know 4 guys in the last 2 years who were seriously addicted who have commited suicide because they lost all hope. 4 dead guys that I knew personally.
And we want to let more of this happen? Seriously?
sschu
Sounds like yer "friends" were taking the wrong drugz.
Sounds like yer "friends" were taking the wrong drugz.
Yes, that happens. Some people are susceptible to addiction and they get hooked on very destructive substances. It is a sad state, but the compassionate thing is to try and help the best we can.
If you have ever seen a grown man cry because he let drugs and alcohol destroy his life, then maybe it will not become some sort of "right" to smoke pot or ingest these poisons into your body that lead to your destruction.
But maybe it is asking too much to have some compassion for those unlovable souls amongst us.
sschu
alcohol is a drug, so the phrase, 'drugs and alcohol' is actually redundant. it's not a mistake that this phrase was heavily pushed by the government/media. once people realize that alcohol is a drug, then the 'war on drugs' becomes 'the war on some drugs, but not others'.
Dig deeper.
"Just because the world is this way today doesn't mean that it has to be tomorrow."
I commend you for volunteering to help these people, But it is not the drug that killed them, they took the poision and killed themselves.
I know many of people that have become addicted to cocaine, all of these people knew how addictive this drug was before they took it, and all of them thought they were too cool and it could never happen to them!
It is like playing russian rollete it is not the inanoment object ie. the gun the killed the man, it was the person who dared to play the game.
The kid who dared to run out in front of moving cars, did the car kill him or did he kill himself? If the car killed him we should ban all cars?
People have to take responsability for themselves.
Great freakin post PODS. Perfect.
"What is an interesting study is the net effect of prohibition on alcohol consumption in the early 1900s. If one moves beyond the headlines and propaganda from the media, consumption went down significantly. I see this as a good thing. Take a look at the cultural forces that drove this rule, it is quite revealing."
Tell us what happened to crime? Did it go up or did it go down? Oh but revealing that might take the "glow" off of the progressive tyranny that is prohibition.
Grimaldus
I assume crime went up since alcohol was not legal. At the same time, alcohol consumption and alcoholism went down significantly.
So you point is accurate, but your analysis is incomplete. If you were a mother with a drunk husband and 3 kids, I guess a sober husband would be preferrable.
sschu
Let's try alcohol prohibition again.
Maybe this time we can make it a real success like drug prohibition is today.
Having drugs illegal causes havoc in our communities with the gangs and criminals roaming the streets, drive by shootings, and turf wars, as well as gang members trying to recruit your son into the buisness. Oh forgot to mention the breakup of many families when one or both of the parents end up in prison.
Legalizing drugs put a stop to all of this. And for those few who will become addicted there will be plenty of money and a sound family to overcome it. The last thing america needs is more broken families. will starve the see i eh another great thing in my opinion
Anything society can do to decrease (not increase) these numbers needs to be done. [emphasis mine]
No. Absolutely not. I'll allow you to modify your statement.
.."It should be a health/community issue, not a legal issue"..
-It already is in responsible nations like Portugal, it's the trouble making banana republics of the world like America that can't let go of a cash cow.
But you cannot seriously suggest that destructive use of addictive drugs and alcohol has no effect on friends and families around them? Really?
The people you say are weak and would abuse it already do. A law wouldn't nor does stop a person from doing it.
You are for gun confication too right? To stop those 'Too weak' to refrain from killing someone.
I would suggest you do some research about addiction. And no, I am not for gun control. You cannot seriously suggest that alcohol is the same as a gun?
sschu
The dead people as a result of drunk driving might not see much difference. Shot or mowed down by a drunk is pretty much the same to them.
Drug addict deaths are miniscule compared to alcohol related fatalities, but yet drug prohibition advocates always like to skirt this reality with sophist arguments.
Sounds like a habit to me.
Some folks are "addicted" to upholding a Nanny State.
The Amish do not have a drug problem. Their kids have a wandeljahr, go try everything in the outside world, and then go back to their loving community, no problem. No suicides, either.
The drug problem is not in the drugs, it is in the society that produces drug addicts.
Remember the rats that barpress themselves to death? No rat gets hooked that lives in an 'enriched environment' with other rats. The stress of being alone in sterile cages, isolation cells, makes addicted rats, not the drug.
Cannabis is very cheap to produce, too.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/08/14/prepare-for-big-weed/
Cannabis is not a drug.
It's a plant with mild euphoric properties along with proven analgesic and medical benefits.
Feds classifying it as a drug with no medical use is a flat out lie. Don't fall for it.
Marijuana could replace these 5 blockbuster drugs.
http://www.attn.com/stories/3609/prescription-drugs-that-can-be-replaced...
Plus, give the economy other major boosts:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAntiMedia/photos/a.156753707783006.14385.156...
That, and for-profit prisons.
History is already laughing at the crime against humanity of imprisoning millions of human beings and ruining their lives for having a plant or some pills in their pocket.
Decades of evil propaganda have guaranteed a steady income for Gov's and now, private prisons. There is NO other reason for this jaw-dropping historical insanity.
Karma Karma.
Well god damn going to get me an eight ball and an ouce of the purple buds. I might take a purple barrel of mezzcalin also.
Did you see the size of that chicken?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11rsHQ15gE0
A little fixtated on purple, no? Orange hairs and sunshine are good too!
Never ever take mezzcalin 2 days in a row. You willl become green.
In other news, a Virgin Atlantic flight was downed when flying near newly restricted airspace...
Having a heroin addiction does no harm to others, are you insane?
You going to go right out and do heroin just because it's legal? Alcohol is legal do you drink a liter of scotch upon waking every morning?
Strawman much?
Be careful Temporalist, the sheeple are far too stupid to accept those lines of thinking.
exactly - and everclear is available also for anyone with an ID and 21 y.o. - yet people know to stay clear, for the most part ....
Who does it hurt?
There once was a thing called a "family", which consisted of "loved ones."
But the libertines just live for the moment, and create nothing but havok and calamity.
Perscription drugs and smart phones are doing more to disrupt families than decriminalizing drugs ever will.
Enter antiquated concept of..."parenting."
Yep, parenting. Like, raise your kids to realize that doing certain things can impact the rest of their lives.
No need for some tyrannical government to tell you how to raise your kids or what to do with your body.
Government should be there to protect the rights of the individual. Not look out for "society" or some such claptrap.
pods
Teevee is the real destroyer/soma of the masses, turn off the teevee and open your eyes people!
The family, as the addict steals everything from everyone. The town as the people have everything that's not nailed down stolen from them. The addict who destroys his life and everyone around him. Addicts die every day and the people who love them die a little every day.
There is a heroin epidemic happening right now in my community. Petty crime and larceny are up, overdoses are up, families are getting torn apart, schools are getting disrupted, people are losing their jobs because of their addiciton. I work in an industrial setting. I worry enough about the guys on the line who are hungover, as they might make a mistake(causing an industrial accident), but there have been a few heroin addicts who just nod off at the drop of a hat while at their process. Thankfully they get weeded out quickly enough. They could cause catastrophic events in a chemical plant. I've already lost one family member and two friends to heroin. "But drug use hurts no one else but the user" says the selfish nihilist. Maybe the answer to the problem lays somewhere between the current corrupt WOD, and the libertine's "everything is legal utopia." Freedom is messy right?
The area where I grew up is overrun with heroin and meth now. It was not like that when I was there.
You know why?
Cause the area is dying, not from drugs, but from lack of opportunity for those who live there. Probably 30% are on government cheese, and industry is gone.
Now heroin is big and it gets blamed.
Can't build a house (cause taxes on new builds are not grandfathered), jobs are scarce and mostly just money changing hands, and the government burden is huge.
But, drug use was mainly social back when I was there.
Remove hope from people and you will get drug addiction.
If life is not going to get any better, why the hell not?
pods
I blame Darwin.
I would much rather give some money to an addict than to have him break into my car/house steal something of true value to me that he sells for pennies on the dollar for some drugs.
How about alchohol. The worst drug ever and completely leagal.
.."How about alcohol. The worst drug ever and completely legal".
Welfare (reservations) and firewater have not served my ancestors well that's for sure, seems like the government has been at this much longer than many realize.
Stop off in Peach Springs Az sometime.
Right, good thing heroin is outlawed and nobody is using it.
truthfully, a heroin addict with a steady supply can maintain. the drug war totally distorts both pricing and legal ramifications. many addicts would function much better with realistic pricing, and no legal hassles.
Looks like the UN is for sale to the highest bidder....
Free Bolivian marching powder 4 everyone!
Medicate the masses....all part of the plan.
I wonder which country that was in opposition? ...
“I am hearing that at least one government is putting an inordinate amount of pressure on the UNODC.”
Could it be a country that is 'Policing the opium crop' and who's CIA is funded by the money from said opium crop?
If you think the US is against it imagine how it is viewed from Saudi Arabia, over there even poppy seeds on a bread roll can land you in prison.
THey also have public beheadings and put women in prison for driving as well.
LEAP - law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Law Enforcement against Prohibition is a misnomer, it should be Peace Officers against Prohibition.- but I can see how 'POAP' just doesn't work.
The WOD has forever perverted Peace officers into a mere Law enforcement cartel and highwaymen.
Becuase the need people to be drugged out to implement tyranical fiat rules. I.E. go to sleep while we rape and pillage your country's resources.
People who follow this, know this for a about a year now. Just look at the movie from UNODC which came out with Kofi Annan and other EXpoliticians proclamation for legalization from last year summer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csnTAz0Sth8
April 2016 is the next UNODC meeting (emergency meeting instead of 2020 scheduled) where this agenda should be accepted. The reason this is todays news is only Richard Branson being all wikileaks or VirginLeaks.
This of course is done in order to bring billions of "black money" ie. cold hard cash, into the insolvent banking system. Same thing the US did by ending the prohibition and all of a sudden the mafia became respectable millionaires. Like the Kenedys.. Also see General Dynamics.
ah..glad someone else sees this. thanks:-)
As I wrote in my posts earlier, legalizing drugs and prostitution would create an instant one time growth of the economy without major sideaffects. EU countries are already doing this in their GDP estimates without dealing with the dirty piece of legalizing. They got my support though.
Yes but notice the bait and switch. We had all the financial privacy intrusion laws and civil forfeiture, allegedly because of drug trafficking. So now that apparently drugs are headed for legalization, will the legislation be rolled back? Nope, now we are fighting "tax evasion" and we need even more intrusion. Meet the modern Inquisition.
Would not surprise me. Drugged people dont revolt ...
+1000 The drugged population is easier to control.
Hence my comment above as a reply to ElVaq. The ancient and necessary role of the the shaman, the healer, the mystic, the "visionary", the plant master... it has been replaced by automatons who know nothing more than to consult some sort of state-sponsored resource and "prescribe" something that reduces the human spirit to a state of worthlessness.
Humans are hard-wired to trust shamans ("doctors"). It is through the corruption and subjugation of these very people/roles that makes it possible for the invisible hand to shape the destinies of so many with little more than the wag of a finger.
Utter and despicable evil - it must be destroyed. True shamans must return.
Will Obamacare cover me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjF1sUZEy2U
Depends on the drug....
yes. Many world leaders have been working on this.
"If all you do is try to find a police or military solution to the problem, a lot of people die and it doesn't solve the problem," former President Bill Clinton says in the film. "It hasn't worked."
(from the documentary "breaking the taboo)
of course with no avail.
Poor people die. No one cares.
Tribes are getting restless.
SSRI's not cutting it.
MOAR sedation. ;>O
Gonna need lots more of it with Branson's newest gig for all those nervous systems in overdrive.
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/10/company-to-blanket-city-streets-with-wifi-connected-smart-pavement.html
You'll be pining for New Jack City if the UN is in charge of the world drug trade.
Female voice (medicine cabinet): If you feel you are not properly sedated, call 348-844 immediately. Failure to do so may result in prosecution for criminal drug evasion.
-THX-1138
ok I stopped laughing now..
Malaysia?
they chose to announce this there?
singapore only other place worse to try it out.
shaking head..disbelief
some drugs arent so good for social behaviour
majority are or could be IF they werent overpriced controlled by black markets n dodgy makers.
the lack of and the need for is what causes most grief/robbery/theft/murders/ to get the drugs or cash/goods to buy more.
I suspect again its linked to the cashless plan
and blackmarket dealing is losing them billio i taxes isnt it?
besides a happily self medictaed society saves killing em with SSRIS
and they buy LOTS of maccas:-) and other crap..keeping big biz going.
You get addiction, and you get a heart attack, and you get overdose!
Joking aside though, I have no problem decriminalizing drugs as long as there are very severe penalties for the distribution to minors. If an adult wants to poison themselves then fine, let them deal with the consequences and adjust as is necessary. Let people understand the consequences of their own actions firsthand.
Take the "illegal" part out of the equation, and the pusher/dealers dry up. Prices go way down, so no need for the addicted to steal my TV if the drug of need is readily available, cheap, and the addict is treated as a sick person instead of criminal.
Once society sees the addiction as a true disease, it will become far less desirable for youth to experiment with something that is now considered exotic because it's dangerous & edgy. If legal, adicts would only seem pathetic, and there would be no pusher trying to hook another customer.
Soma, anyone?
pair it with the abolishing of any & all welfare programs and i all for it. if not, no fucking way in hell. last thing we need here in the states is another "inhibitor" that affects peoples motivation to work whereby i have to pay for their food, housing, education, etc. but if that all goes away in-conjunction-with, go for it. i could care less if 85% of the population wants to smoke weed & play video games on moms couch all day. so-long as mom & her paycheck (not a tax-payer funded governement one) is paying for that shit.
Some of the most successful people smoke a joint every night to help unwind from a stressful day. Some drink a glass of wine. Not sure why 85% give up there lives for video games just because they can legally smoke weed...chances are you are already paying for the type of person that would sit on the couch and play video games all day...
Also, weed is probably the least harmful drug (including alcohol)...treats over 200 ailments and diseases...you'll never see a pot head beat their wife or shoot up a school. Using weed in your example was probably the worst choice you could have made.
The best thing to do with apples and oranges: make fruit salad.
Alcohol anyone?
Drug addiction says a lot more about the maze than the rat.