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Russia "Confirms" It Has Plans To Restore Assad Government In Syria
Watching the US attempt to explain to the public why Washington can’t join the Russians in targeting extremists in Syria has been entertainment gold. The fundamental PR problem revolves around the fact that the West has gone out of its way to hold up ISIS as the quintessential example of pure, unadulterated evil that must be eradicated at all costs and yet when Moscow began bombing ISIS targets and publicly implored the US to join in, Washington said no.
If you’re the public that seems strange. To be sure, everyday Westerners are accustomed to Russophobic propaganda in the news and in cinema and the public is thoroughly conditioned to think of The Kremlin as a weird, multi-colored palace complex staffed with hundreds of James Bond villains in a country where it’s always dark, and always snowing. That said, Western leaders have had a difficult time explaining why that’s somehow worse than ISIS, whose slickly-produced videos have so far depicted a series of beheadings, a Jordanian pilot being burned alive, “spies” being drowned in a cage, and four men being packed into a Toyota Corolla which is then destroyed at close range by a rocket launcher.
The answer, of course, is that ISIS and the various other extremist groups battling for control of Syria have almost all received training and funding from the US and its regional allies at one point or another and at the end of the day, destroying ISIS nets nothing for Washington in terms of geopolitics. In fact, were the group to go the way of the dinosaurs, it would help to restore the Assad regime which is the worst possible outcome in the eyes of the US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.
In short: from a geopolitical perspective, deterring Assad, Russia, and Iran is much more important than fighting any ragtag band of extremists, but that’s a tough sell to a public that’s grown weary of watching Westerners having their heads chopped off on the nightly news.
Moscow’s position is simple. The Russians are in Syria to restore Assad which means waging war on his enemies and because some of his enemies are terrorists, that means Russia is at war with terror. Putin has made no secret of this, but the US has been forced to act as though he has because without the whole “we can’t be sure what his aims are” line, an impatient public might start to demand answers as to why Washington is so obstinate when it comes to cooperation on anti-terror ops.
Now, Bloomberg reports that Russian officials have “admitted” that Moscow’s goals in Syria go beyond ISIS. Here’s more:
As Russia’s air war in Syria nears its fourth week, officials now admit that Moscow’s aim is far broader than the publicly announced fight against terrorist groups.
The Kremlin’s real goal is to help Syrian President Bashar al-Assad retake as much as possible of the territory his forces have lost to opponents, including U.S.-backed rebels, Russian officials told Bloomberg News. Moscow’s deployment of several dozen planes, as well as ships in the Black and Caspian Seas, could last a year or more, one official said.
President Vladimir Putin is willing to run the risk of falling into the kind of quagmire that helped sink the Soviet Union a generation ago for the chance to roll back U.S. influence and demonstrate he can dictate terms to Washington. If the strategy is successful, Russia’s largest military drive in decades outside the former Soviet Union would force the
U.S. and its allies to choose between Assad, whom they oppose for his human-rights abuses, and the brutal extremists of Islamic State.
A top Russian military official said on Friday that the Kremlin sees no moderate opposition in Syria, leaving only terrorists and the pro-Assad forces Moscow is backing.
“In the West, they talk about ‘moderate opposition,’ but we so far haven’t seen any in Syria,” General Andrey Kartapolov, commander of the Russian operation in Syria, told the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.
“Any person who takes up arms and fights the legal authorities, how moderate can he be?”
That’s a good question, especially considering that Western media outlets (WSJ for instance) are now calling al-Qaeda “moderate.” Back to Bloomberg:
Moscow’s campaign is designed to initially rout the groups that have threatened Assad’s control over key cities in western Syria, both radical Islamists and the so-called moderate rebels backed by the U.S. and its allies. Later there will be a broader offensive against Islamic State in the north and east of the country, say officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential matters.
And that, you’ll note, is precisely what we said last week. To wit: "Hezbollah and Iranian troops are advancing on Aleppo and Moscow is backing the offensive from the sky which means that the hodgepodge of anti-regime forces that control Syria’s largest city will almost (and we say "almost" because there are no sure things in war) certainly be routed in a matter of weeks if not days, which would effectively serve to restore the Assad regime in Syria. After that, the Russian bear and Qasem Soleimani will turn their eyes to the East of the country and at that point, it is game over for ISIS."
One more time, back to Bloomberg:
Putin believes that Assad, whose forces currently control a quarter of Syrian territory with 60 percent of the population, must be reinforced to ensure that Russia can exert a dominant role in negotiations on a political settlement in Syria, according to people who attended a private meeting with the Russian leader early this month.
Russian officials say they expected a cold reception from the U.S. and its allies. Putin is using personal diplomacy -- a string of private meetings with top leaders and officials from other capitals -- to make his case quietly. Initial indications are that the diplomatic drive has been having some success, with several countries agreeing to military talks to reduce the risks of inadvertent conflict.
Kerry said on Monday he expects to begin talks in the next few days with officials from Turkey, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Jordan on restarting efforts to negotiate a political settlement in Syria. The U.S., Russia and Saudi foreign ministers may meet in Vienna soon, Interfax reported.
“Even if there isn’t a radical improvement in the regime’s military fortunes, which is unlikely, at the very least the aim is to consolidate its military and territorial positions to remove the question of Assad’s departure as a precondition for a political settlement,” said Mikhail Barabanov, a senior researcher at the Moscow-based Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, which advises the Defense Ministry.
So this is being pitched as some kind of secret that needed to be confirmed by speaking to Russian "officials" with "knowledge of the matter."
As we've said on dozens of occasions, there was never any ambiguity here. Moscow never hid the fact that it intended to prop up the Assad regime. The simple fact is that some of Assad's enemies happen to be terrorists and so, as mentioned above, Russia is fighting a war on terror by default. It just so happens that the West and its Sunni allies are the ones who have trained and armed the terrorists so any move to coordinate with the Russians would mean having to actually make a real effort to rout the very same groups Washington armed on the way to restoring the very same regime the US and others sought to destabilize in the first place. In order to avoid that rather inconvenient outcome, the US simply went the obfuscation rout by (ironically) claiming that Russia was obfuscating.
Of course you needn't have spoken with any Russian officials to uncover this "secret" plan. You could have just listened to Putin's interview with Charlie Rose which was broadcast on national television:
Rose: "Some people say you're in Syria to help Bashar al-Assad"
Putin: "Well, you're right."
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WE ARE ISIS
that's what's so pathetic
Yes, we can.... bomb anyone we don't like. Unlike nasty Saddam, oops Assad with his barrel bombs, we are liberal humanitarian bombers, killing brown people with our unconditional love bombs. This makes us exceptional.
Why is the US silently bombing power plants in Aleppo?
http://www.moonofalabama.org/
Restore Assad Government
I wasn't aware he left.
Who’da thunk it?
Joshen Psaknest: "Can not be confirmed, we believe with high confidence US intelligence did uncover secret plan Kremlin to support Assad regime. This on evidence from social media, netflix James Bond movies, History Channel, GI Joe comics is firmly based."
Putin stated that his goal was to support President Assad and his regime on the very first day of Russian troops on the ground in Syria... Nothing to see here, move along...
I love Putin's attitude of "Yeup, so what? What are you gonna do about it"
What I would *really* love is next time we drop Al Qaeda weapons and ammo -- the Russians blow it up almost as soon as it touches down on planet earth. I assume the Russians have radar and can more or less figure out where these drop shipments are going to get dropped.
I could see the Rusky pilots taunting the American pilots --
"Dear Amerikan Comrades, we saw your attempt to supply Assad's troops in their fight against terrorism. It appears you accidentally dropped the weapons to Al Qaeda instead of the Assad troops. For your protection as well as our own, we destroyed the shipment within minutes of it touching down. Thanks for the free target practice today. Do try and be more careful in the future."
Well, Putin is right. Assad is the elected leader of the country and the West has no say in the matter.
Maybe Russia has the technology to restore Gaddafi and Saddam, not that would be awesome!
Why, when referring to ISIS videos, is it seemingly obligatory to reference their production quality? So they've got a good A/V department...does that somehow legitimize their movement somehow? As if having grainy, shaky, and badly-lit slasher films would make them any less dangerous?
au contraire. it makes it likelier steven speilberg, kathryn bigelow or some similarly funded, trained and motivated individual had a hand in it. i jest but you get my drift.
Absolutely...LOL
fucking hilarious. 95% certainty it will come to pass.
While I like your plan, a better choice for the Rooskies would be wait until someone shows up to pick up the ammo then vaporize them.
Ammo gone, ISIL and equipment gone, and the ISIL dupes trust their handlers even less.
Or they could capture the ammo, because free ammo.
or they could blow up the isil and the ammo, wait for a bit until any medics or friends and relations show up and then blow them up too for good measure. it sounds awful and gruesome, and it is, but it's what got obama his stripes (in his mind) and caused him to brag that he was "really good at killing people".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/03/obama-drones-double-down_n_4208...
... and you could trace the few surviving survivors back to the hospital, then bomb the shit outta it too!
Israel will be mad at the Harvard grad.
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You are a
shameless ass.
Seeking to make money off th ZH brand.
Bullshit
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Did anyone really think the Russians were there for any other reason?
Why is it that few of these articles fail to discuss gas pipelines and other strategic land resources.
I continue to ask if Putin is such a freedom loving politico, what is his position on our second amendment and gun control.
Do you worry about domestic laws in Mongolia?
Why the fuck would a leader of any foreign nation care about US laws and Constitution???? (with the exception of that which has an impact on foreign policy).
God, you are one major idiot and a world class douche.
Did you understand the last part of the sentence, what is his position on gun control?
Thank you for showing your ignorance. An article you should read that was previously posted in ZH.
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2716-false-eastwest-paradigm-and-the-end-of-freedom
zerohedge has had a number of articles on the gas pipeline aspect of the syrian conflict, try https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=zerohedge+syrian+ga...
as far as putin's position on the second amendment and gun control, he believes the gun show loop hole should be closed so far as backround checks and recording of serial numbers. he believes that concealed carry for citizens in good standing should be somewhat easier to get and not as restricted as to where it can be done. he thinks more should be done on recording ballistics so as to have a better chance to catch perps of gun crimes. in general he sees licensing gun owners something like licensing car owners/drivers. better information, training and insurance probably but not taking away the cars or the guns. he is foursquare behind a constitutional right to bear arms but, as with freedom and with driving, poor performance (such as either intoxicants or mental illness mixed with bad behavior) can get one's access to guns restricted.
now this is just his position on u.s. gun control and the second amendment. he has an entirely different take on russia.
He ain't in favor of that much freedom!
We're not cheering Putin, we're cheering sanity.
What happened to Libya, as example, was simply a ritual satanic murder of a country, the most prosperous in N. Africa and a prosperity that was shared. That's what was destroyed and one should think about that. That pattern repeats.
Libya had the highest standard of living in all of Africa as I recall. A loaf a bread was something like ten cents, and college tuition was free. Ghadaffi used oil revenues to actually help his people. He also wanted a gold backed currency which is probably why he was taken out.
Of course you'll never hear any of that in the western MSM.
Agree. The overthrown of Gadafi was amongst the worst war crimes I know of, and the US, UK, and the rest of NATO all complicit in it's criminality.
If you want to understand the true nature of the Western hegemony, go watch the youtube videos of Gaddafi's death, where they are walking him in front of a jeep and torturing him. It's utterly inhuman. Our government- the USA and the NATO- made that happen.
legality:
well, if you actually want to know that, Putin relaxed gun laws last year, of his own will, because guns are actually quite a controversial topic and most Russians do not want to have those laws relaxed:-) They are not used to this. Americans still refuse to understand that Russians are different, so it is strange to judge Putin from the point of view, if he could be a good US president or not. He is a good president of Russia, but that may be a diifferent thing. As one Russian woman said in an interview: "Who is Putin? I don't think it is important. He shaped himself into what WE (Russians) want him to be. And most of the time he does, what we want him to do. Why is this so difficult for the West to understand? We do not want to be like you, we do not want to live like you. Our leader will do, what most of us (Russians) want him to do, that's the only thing the West really needs to know."
Gas pipelines. On the surface of things, it seems to go unsaid that the entire motives on both sides are about the gas and oil reserves in those areas, BUT, there is much more great interest in those areas that just mere oil and gas.
Being the ancient land that Syria is, the thousands of years of battle in that area has not been about 'gas and oil'
Snowden showed the world the 'bigger' picture of Human oppression by entities that exhibit non-human behavior.
Distraction over oil and gas, never advancing to the higher levels, or being kept from advancing to the higher levels of technology to NOT have to even think of having to use gas and oil.
Oppression and suppression.
Over what?
Yes, something much more important than oil and gas for sure.
Water?
Maybe.
Something so advanced, that only 'responsible' chosen ones of higher being / value are only allowed to even know about.
Wow. That's deep.
Yes, deep. Look deep. Deep under beyond the gas and oil.
Desert Syria, the Land of a Lost Civilization Howard Crosby Butler Geographical Review Vol. 9, No. 2 (Feb., 1920), pp. 77-108http://www.jstor.org/stable/207647?seq=5#page_scan_tab_contents
Heavy Metal – A comparison of Russian and Western armourhttp://thesaker.is/heavy-metal-a-comparison-of-russian-and-western-armour/
Here's a American F-15 Eagle pulling out of a LUFTWAFFE Hangar...this week. @ 3:28 into video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh5qiD68fQM
"killing Brown People"...they started by terrorizing the ( White ) serbian People in 1999.
The hegemon of this world will not like this news. Looks for terrorists to suddenly become active in Russia
Forward - to more war and terrorism courtesy of the Nobel Prize Winner
Putin: MidEast terrorists recruit fighters from ex-Soviet states, seek to expand into other regionsPublished time: 20 Oct, 2015 10:57
https://www.rt.com/news/319157-putin-terrorists-recruiting-expanding/
The US arming of ISIS
For his part, US Deputy Under Secretary of State Anthony Blinken insisted that Washington and its allies are pursuing a “winning strategy,” and that it would succeed “if we remain united, determined and focused.”
Over the past several weeks, this “winning strategy” has seen ISIS capture Ramadi, the capital of Iraq’s Anbar province, as well as the historic city of Palmyra in Syria. In the past few days, ISIS forces have advanced into Aleppo province in Syria, overrunning rival Islamist militias and Syrian government troops as well. This offensive has proceeded without any interference from US and allied warplanes supposedly waging an air war against ISIS.
“Focused” is scarcely a word that any objective observer would use to describe US policy in the region. While claiming to be committed to a war against ISIS, Washington and its regional allies have time and again proven themselves to be its principal sources of strength.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/06/03/pers-j03.html
Tony isn't Italian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blinken
“Blinken was born to Jewish parents, Judith and Donald Blinken. He attended Dalton School in New York City until 1971, when he moved to Paris, France, with his divorced mother and her new husband, lawyer Samuel Pisar, who had survived both the Auschwitz and Dachau camps in the Holocaust.”
A summary of German records of prisoners at Auschwitz 1941-1944 purport to be taken to be taken directly from Soviet archive material show 173,000 Jewish prisoners entering the camp, 161,164 transferred out to other camps and 11,836 remaining at the end of 1944. The summary shows 58,240 deaths from typhus, 2,064 deaths of natural causes and 117 executions.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/official-german-record-prisoners-auschwitz-concentration-camp-may-1940-december-1944/
the great satan. they weren't lying.
Giddy Up!
The western axis of evil is such a fucking joke. Perhaps horse face can play his guitar he just got given to Putin, or show off his pink bicycle.
“Any person who takes up arms and fights the legal authorities, how moderate can he be?”
Seccessionists of the world who like Russia take note. This is what they really think of you. The rest is an attempt to make a pawn of you.
Then again, there is Crimea. There is a difference between secessionists and mercenary armies with little if any connection to the area they are fighting in.
One man's terrorist is another man's Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Only an ignorant will equate Crimea Situation with Syria's scenario.
Have you tried a referendum, like Crimeans?
For what it is worth, I think Russia is doing the right thing in Syria, and the US is doing the wrong thing.
But I am certain Russia is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, to prevent Europe from having the opportunity to buy energy from anyone else.
The US ought not be there at all. But Europe should be ensuring energy alternatives for themselves...and it is their right to do so, and they would be right to do so.
When someone puts a gun to your head and says "You will buy my product. You will not buy my product from anyone else. I will invade any country that tries to deliver a product like mine to you" the only thing to do is to make that use of military force cost more than the energy sales earns.
The WRONG thing to do in such a situation is to hire head-choppers to terrorize people in a country along the route.
You have been here for well over a year and this is your take on the situation?
Read ZH more offer and skip CNN FOX and the other garbage sources. They are polluting you mind.
And you skip RT
OK!
US msms has its apologist now ? Funny troll
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You just catapulted misinformation and lies so bad, in the best traditions of the Psak. I don't know what you are operating on, but on the facts it's not much like.
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Only thing to do? For who is to do? Can also about the causal relationship be asked to explain - but this, I fear for you already too hard.
Quite professional and polite indication is further proof that you are engaged in dissemination of information for remuneration.
So enlighten us as to where "Europe" could get energy from at more favourable prices than Russia offers.
http://thesaker.is/turning-down-russian-gas-has-already-caused-poland-hu...
Doesn't surprise me that it's the lickspittle Poles who would rather sabotage their economy than be good neighbours with Russia. The Polish political class is the most craven in the EU - closely followed by those in the inconsequential Baltic countries. Seems like the Poles are incapable of learning. As the former Polish Foreign Minister, Radoslav Sikorski, rather indelicately put it last year "We Gave The US A "Blowjob," Got Nothing"
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/polish-foreign-minister-we-gave-the-us-...
I'm trying my best to decipher this post, but the analogies just don't make any sense.
Who is putting a gun to who's head to buy what? Who invaded which country?
The FLQ were "seccessionists" too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_Qu%C3%A9bec
Front de libération du QuébecAs soon as Russia thinks that a particular secession movement aligned with its own interests, or at least beneficial to them, it will drop that line of rhetoric.
O'bummer and his horseface "statesman" Kerry are, and have been, overmatched in the wits department from the gitgo.
They really are a pathetic "team" aren't they?
a small point of semantics. it is denigrating to syrians to call their democratically elected government "the assad regime". i believe i first heard a guest make the point on crosstalk. TPTB make a very deliberate point of controlling words and we shouldnt fall into one of their more obvious traps.
And an opthalmologist for fuck's sake... compared to a dicksucking-golfplaying-blowsnorting charlatan of proclaimed peace. DISGUSTING.
democratically elected government? 88.7% of the vote for Assad in 2014's presidential elections. right /S
STFU.
Well, since the opposition decided to boycott the election, that result is not surprising at all.
There was an international delegation of more than 30 counties that oversaw the elections. Did EU send their representatives?
it is a seriously interesting list of countries, that 30-strong one. the usual suspects like North Korea, Cuba, Belarus, etc.
nearly all of them very, very democratic countries without even a hint of corruption in them /S
btw, 24 candidates and the Syrian Supreme Court accepted... two of them. sure, let's have the EU to send representatives to such a travesty of free, democratic elections
folks, get real. Assad is the third of a dynasty. the sad truth is that if the British were the former colonialists instead of the anti-monarchist French, we'd call him Syria's King
the fact that Washington hates his guts does not make him a champion of democracy (and part of this forum does not even like or understand democratic elections anyway)
I never said that Assad was a champion of democracy, but the fact that out of 30 countries you picked 3 that best suit your argument doesn't really make you a champion of honest discussion either.
Here is a surprisingly objective article by FOX NEWS about the subject matter:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/04/syrian-election-shows-depth-popu...
Le that sink in gh
An OBJECTIVE article by Faux News.
What bullshit
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And what? Election operated such that Syrian expatriates, refugees could do voting at embassy Syria. Funny how laudators of democracy Germany, France, Belgium, Canada, US did not allow Syrian people there at embassy to vote.
For these "apostles Democratie", democracy is when they appoint a governor to the natives.
you mean those governments "did not allow" voting in foreign embassies? cool notion. how do you do that? embassies are extra-territorial, you know?
dig a bit in the sources of this myth (like this one) and you'll find out why so many could not vote. it wasn't a foreign government holding them to reach an embassy, they were simply... fleeing
for the record I found Bush Junior's queer notion of "de-Ba'athification" the most insane of his mind's children. but I would be surprised if you knew what I'm writing about
They were fleeing courtesy US and its regime change doctrine.
The US is going to continue to fail as long as we have an emotional retard in the Whitehouse. Black rage is not foreign policy. Obama is about as pragmatic and reasonable as an unflushed hangover shit in the wide open W.C. adjoining the Queen's parlor at tea time during the Royal Christmas.
The US will continue to fail until it does not get its house in order, tell the UN and other supranational entities to shove it, stop melding in other regions and other continents, stops pretending to be the world cop, stops playing empire, stops backing mercenary armies, stops trying to force the dollar down everyone elses throat (at gun point), stops trying to force its own system of economy and government down everybody elses throat (at gun point) and tells a certain ME state that they are very much on their own to deal with the mess they have created for the past 40+ years. If not the US will eventually fail totally and fall apart similarly to the Soviet Union within a few decades, at best.
Yeah. That too.
The UN is the US just as ISIS is the US. The UN is a proxy tool used in the exact same way as ISIS.
Correct on all accounts.
'Wkithin a few decades at best'
That is the problem.
We can't afford another 'few' decades
Quin,
That, was probably the best visual of the day.
GO Putin!, GO Russia!
The Western-backed Sunni extremist movement to topple Assad has no plan for governance. What is the alternative? We hear absolutely nothing, just a bunch of sock puppet media pundits and military "experts" spewing bullshit about how Assad has to go. And then what?
The US government has fallen to a very low level. Chaos is what they seek, to poison the well. They know their hegemony is coming to an end.
Israel/ Likud likes Oded Yinnon and the captured US DC .gov, does what its told.
Thank you! That the a-clowns in the Capital are in any way "directing" this is laughable. ... we rented some folks ffs
If the Americans were really serious about fighting terrorists they would go after the neo-cons in their own government-a group of individuals so evil that Paul Craig Roberts calls them "Human Filth"!
Yes but Russia would then be their enemy?
" “Any person who takes up arms and fights the legal authorities, how moderate can he be?” "
So, when / if revolt against the fascist in DC begins, I wouldn't count Russia as a ally. I have fervently backed President Putin in his terrorism policies but,,, bottom line,,, he is a statist. At best, he'd stay neutral.
Luck,
There are Americans serious about going after those infected by evil in their Government, on Wall Street, and in Military leadership. There is a "List" of those who will be targeted for torture and death. As you might guess, those patriots must remain anonymous until the right time is revealed.
The rest of the good Americans go to church and watch football on Sunday, watch "Dancing with the Turds" at night, love their families, behave like good cattle, work shitty jobs, pay taxes to the evil and die at the end of their sad story.
Red arrows coming to a theatre near you.
Its all over the place.
Its not moderate rebels when they are actually mercenary troops being hired from all over the globe that throw people off skyscrapers and burn them alive in cages.
Its not a Civil war when you are fighting 200k foreign hired goons.
Its not an Assad Regime when he was elected by his own people more than once
Its not a human rights violation to try to save your country from terror
Its not fighting ISIS when your last bombing run hit the power plant east of Aleppo or supply the terrorists through Turkey
Its not an accident when you bomb a hospital in Afganistan when you have already bombed not one but three in Syria.
And Horseface, You are not worried about the complete destruction of Syria when this is exactly what you have tried to accompish for 4.5 years. Its largely already done.
on and on American lies. Its rich out there.
America you are the terrorists, with John McCain as a most fitting poster boy.
some crazy stuff written here. I think there is a huge lack of prospective and actually a lack of knowledge of the situation (random?).
The fact that someone is not following the authorities doesn't mean that they are not fighting for moderated goals. Equal rights are an example of moderate goal (extermination of a groupo of people is an example of extremism).
SO
the fact that Putin said this, make me think to a Dictator that doesn't like when militia are fighting the authorities because they are not right.
Now, I know that the people (the so called "moderated opposition") we are talking here are as wild as ISIS, how would you call the groups that fought the nazi during the second world war? Or the revolution started by Fidel Castro? Or Ghandi? Or ANY violent revolution of the history of human kind?
If the government is using extreme violent methodologies to fight a rebellion, doesn't this justify the use of Violence to stop the government?
Are they rebelling to the authorities? Isn't that a GOOD thing? Aren't we all against the Authorities? Sometime I feel like I'm using crazy pills...
Are we going back to the f*****g medieval here????
Sometime with the excuse of supporting someone against US you guys lose completely the good sense...The fact that Putin is saying this make me wonder if the people that are fighting US are actualy any better then them...
If my government kills my family I will use any meaning to DESTROY them. ANY.
# "SO the fact that Putin said this," Putin did not say it. The quote is from a Russian general. Go back and read it again.
yea ok whatever it's still part of the government so it's basically the same. I don't care about single person I care about entities that these people represent.if you support this Russia just because you don't like the US it's like fighting a cancer with a fu***ng atomic nuke.
It's so ironic to see people that hope in a militar reaction from Russia to western countries and beg "Please putin bomb all these bastards" without knowing that he is part of "these bastards". say bye bye to your phone with facebook, netflix and all these bullshits if the third world war comes to our countries.
"say bye bye to your phone with facebook, netflix and all these bullshits if the third world war comes to our countries."
Yeah, that about sums up what's so great about our country...sheeple accepting an "implanted government chip" and implicitly permitting the destruction of the consititution so they can have facebook, netflix and all these bullshits"!
Sheeeeesh
I don't have tv, I have only a laptop with some unknown version of linux and I have a motorola worth 35 cent now at the second hand market.
I just laugh at all the people that blame US for everything and beg the enemies to bomb the western world (I don't live in US but in Europe) and this shows how small and limited is their view of the world. They are blind and they would support hitler if he was alive today. as long as he is against US. I don't like american culture but I also don't like dictatorship. Any alternative?
the fact is only one: if in 20 years we still have a modern civilization will depend only on how wise are the governments in power NOW. if they keep doing like this, we (me , you , everyone) are fucked. with no vasillina. And by a huge fat dick called nuke.
Please look at pics of the fire bombing of dresden and the confirmed fire bombing of tokyo and then look at the pictures of hiroshima and nagasaki, you will see that they look the same. Concrete building are still standing in hiroshima and nagasaki. Nukes are fairy tales, supported the fake USSR / USA dialectic of the fake cold war where they cooperated together at the top.Read about accidents of super criticality with fissile material without any explosions.
Also look at the faked film footage of filmed nuclear explosions using models and editied in laurel canyon, you can see footage of russian a bombs as fake, the cludsdont shift in the sky and if you slow down the frames you can see the layers were added. And mushroom clouds are quite common features of regular run of the mill conventional explosives.
Oh, Hitler surfaced, just a classic of the genre!
And Europe cries and eats a cactus... And endures all American quirks. Imposes sanctions, breaks into people's government at the bidding.
YEA OK WHATEVER
middle high troll talk
Are we 'going medieval'? That's what the Caliphate is!
Yet more sheenie double speak.
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Again tablets forgot to take, hysterical?
Russia has forgotton her history. She defeated foreign invaders through the dogged resistence of her people (and her weather of course). Sunni fragmented rebels have united in Syria to resist the the Russian/Iranian invader. Their fanaticism is fanned by the euphoria of a religious war against infidels (in their terms). Too soon to predict that its all done and dusted now that Putin and his Shite friends have arrived in town.
You have that the wrong way round.
As the US is so fond of saying :'best to fight them over there, than here".
With ZATO encroaching on Russian borders, the only other alternation will suit you even
less.
Sheenie sight.
LOL, were the rebels resisting the Russians before they arrived? hmmm?
Horse - you're delusional!
"Sunni fragmented rebels" the INVADERS!
You pour talking points State Department and ignore Syrian Arab Army is majority Sunni, commander in chief Assad, fighting for their country.
Religious war is not, so stop the bull-Psak.
danepol
Too bad they couldn't have united in Palestine in '48 and resisted the Kosher Invader, who is ultimately responsible for all the trouble in the Middle East since then.
So if a white Christian male took up arms in America against the government, he would be an 'extreme domestic terrorist' but if an ex-Syrian Muslim immigrant does so then he would be a 'moderate domestic terrorist'?
Well he did say he would have everything wrapped up in three months so it goes without saying that Assad will still be in office.
The sentence
“Any person who takes up arms and fights the legal authorities, how moderate can he be?”
sounds a lot like:
"Let them eat cake"
It sounds a lot of complete ignorance mixed with arrogance and complete disregards of the history of all the rebellion in the world.The fact that now all countries in the world are acting as "I am big I can crash you" doesn't help the situation. Now they are all acting like big fat american. at least before we only had USA as arrogant twat. now we have multiple examples.
The problem we have here is that because there is no fucker with a little bit of brain, there is no alternative to the complete distruction of human kind and planet earth. Doom is our future.
Let's just get it over with and let's nuke the complete globe. We would definetely improve the intelligence average of the universe and bring it back to 0.
Also, sounds like something the US mainstream media & DC pundits would label as right-wing extremist at best and terrorists at worse. You do not reach these high levels of authority without being morally bankrupt regardless of the nation.
agree
It doesn't sound like 'let them eat cake' at all.
There was too much frosting on the phrase "LEGAL AUTHORITIES" for you.
There have been no "legal authorities' in Kiev since the rebellion in the Maidan and the flight of Yanukovich but there have always been 'legal authorities" in Damascus.
No cake eating here, Bubbie. You'll get crumbs.
So.. em... Vladimir... eeh.. those Russian freedom fighters in East Ukraine who, you know took up arms to fight Ukrainian authorities from Kiev, are not moderate ?
Well, have these East Ukraines attacked anyone? Expanded teritory?
Well, um, er, seems to me that their country was highjacked by a USSA backed colour "revolution" / coup. Overthrowing a legitimate governement and all that Fuck the EU stuff. Do I have that wrong?
Which god fights alongside Barack?
No god; only Satan.
Barack is intelligent enough not to believe in supernatural silliness.
Obozo "intelligent"? What a crock. He's a destructive idiot and so are you for being one of his sycophants.
Now I know you're a troll.
you just figured that out? :o)
Dude. Are you blind? Are you deaf? Are you illiterate??
Here, article from idiot western msm.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/putin-discusses-syria-u-n-a...
Isn't Putin ALREADY CONFIRMED, that any solution to fights ISIS? MUST INCLUDE ASSAD'S!!
How much STUPID, you have to be? To NOT BE ABLE TO READ, what Putin already lay it out BARE, before your eyes?
Are you really that stupid??
Anybody remember when Jon Kerry shared a podium with the French Prime minister over a year ago, where the French PM announced that France would "go it alone" if necessary with military intervention in Syria?
A month later they sold a couple state of the art warships to Putin. Make all the french surrender monkey jokes you want, but I think they were, and are, the ones laughing at the US state department. And as stated in the article, our MSM says that Putin is some genius level super villain who acts in unpredictable and deceitful ways.
But it is not funny that people think they have the right to send a goon with a gun to collect taxes from your neighbor so your government can use that money to fund endless wars killing innocent people and deposing governments on the opposite side of the world.
The French are owned by Langley. The deal to sell those ships was axed. However, the two ships were sold to Egypt and now Russia is buying them from Egypt. Got love the work-around.
http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-egypt-1b-mistral-deal-warships-helicopters...
Thanks for the clarification. I honestly lost track of the boat deal waiting for the grand army of the french republic landing on syrian shores lanched from boats. This geo-politics stuff is hard for people who don't have PhDs in economics!
Read your link again. France is selling the ships to Egypt with Russian equipment on it, and Egypt is going to pay Russia for that equipment.
you forgot to add the "wink, wink". it's France selling the ships to Egypt wink, wink and then, wink, wink, who could have guessed it... they sail to Russia, wink, wink
I guess that's possible, we'll see.
Let's talk Human Rights for a moment. I think they got the wrong marketing campaign going. Instead, King Salman must go or Benjamin Netanjahu must go. Those have a snappier ring and are much more relevant. Who is Amerika to dictate who is a good guy vs. a bad guy. Oh yeah, good is someone we can bribe to get US interests into and out of a country. Bad is someone that opposes. Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Russia, China - Bad. Good, those that engage in USSA corrupt market manipulation. Simple really.
And who is Russia to do the same?
This is the point.
The problem is what is being done for geopolitical reasons.
The problem is not the identity of who is doing it.
Russia is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
The West is doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.
How are we supposed to find a 'good guy' in that?
We don't need a 'better' dictator. We don't need a dictator at all.
"The West is doing the wrong thing for the right reasons." - Foolish and illogical.
Then you cede the right to choose from whom you will buy energy?
That is your right to cede.
But the cession is foolish and illogical.
You cede nothing.
You never had the right to force another sovereign country to comply with your desire to have alternative source of energy. It is still your right to buy energy from whoever you want. It's equally Syria's right not to build the pipelines.
Dull stuffing. Change training manual.
"Russia "Confirms" It Has Plans To Restore Assad Government" - really? How do you restore that which has been an ongoing concern, the Assad Government. I never heard that he was overthrown.NATO has a different plan, but they can't figure it out.
I read somewhere that 94% of serviceable NATO assets were American.
Go figure.
NATO has no different plan crock. They are rolling the same old regime change plan to pacify Middle East for Israel. Operation Clean Slate. Fuck the NATO ;)
Ah yes - there is Putin, shoring up the family that has killed more than a quarter-million Syrians during their rule.
It really says all you need to know about Pooty's priorities.
Your country has killed millions too so by your logic US doesn't deserve any power.
Correct.
But all must be judged by the same standards.
Including Russia's government.
Including the US's government.
Including China's government.
Including Europe's government.
Including all governments.
The problem is that people judge their favorites differently.
very true. And also people tend to ignore the faulties of someone if this one is against the same enemy. Now, to go against the american empire all these people forget who is Putin, what Russia did, What Cina did, What Iran did, What Syria's gov did, etc etc...
Instead of trying to change the way this dirty politic works, we attack each other to find the "less bad dictator" to support. This is all bullshit...
welcome to ZH
it's like having a stroke
L sided neglect, doesn't exist to the mind that has had a R sided stroke
or visa versa
and you're an another basement troll who can't argue with facts instead of posting your diatribe.
Oh, this volnovodnoi herd, anything they don't believe, only messages from the social networks as Samantha Power and the Psak bequeathed.
and you can't suggest a better alternative then ? The thing is those less evil dictators according to you don't mess around in other's territroy invoking violence , killings just because its economy is dependent on it. American disease : We deserve to get away with anything and everything.
True just like you are judging US favorite.
Women and children included have been dying by the hundreds of thousands in Syria for years while the US continued to support the proxy armies that contributed to the instability. This should tell you all you need to know about US priorities.
Hey, you,
I have no affinity for Putin, but mind you, it has been the policies of the west, namely the George Soros-controlled White House, aka Valerie Jarrett and BHO, who have purposely destabilized the Middle East. Simply put, the leftist commies in power want to complete their Muslim Caliphate in the ME, and they cannot do it without getting rid of Assad in Syria so as to claim the Syrian lands for their Caliphate.
Grow up and smell the EVIL. The destabilization of Syria by the left was put into full swing when Obama's CIA was shipping arms from Libya (remember Benghazi?) through Turkey and into Syria, thus providing weapons to the rebels in Syria. And those rebels were there for ONE purpose--to overthrow Assad at the behest of the USA.
Since when does the US government maintain the authority to overthrow legitimate governments around the globe? Oh, yes, certainly since Kiev, right?
Nonsense. The destabilization programs in the ME were underway well before Obama was foisted on America.
"Since when does the US government maintain the authority to overthrow legitimate governments around the globe? Oh, yes, certainly since Kiev, right?"
I believe that would be since the Shah--1953. Aaaargh!
mate, ask any Iraqi (besides corrupt politicians) if they prefer Iraq with or without Saddam. 9 out of 10 times the answer will be, "Saddam, because we had water, electricity, sewers, schools, jobs and knew what life was."
Now Iraq is a shithole.
it will be the same in Syria. Putin, however, is giving the Syrian people a chance to prevent their country from being Iraq II or Libya II or Yemen II or Afghanistan II.
Jesus dude, doesn't the DOS give its Trolls better material than calling Putin names or a homosexual? No wonder the US is getting the shit kicked out of it.
There you go again. Back into Ancient Syrian history. How many Syrians had been killed by Bashar before the CIA provoked the rebellion in 2011?
George W Bush killed 5 times as many Iraqis,
And you still still worship his poop.
Those miscreant Founding Father taking up arms against the "legal" authorities!
Radical!
The 'Founding Fathers" would have struck a deal with George III if they knew what tyranny was inside the egg they were hatching.
In fact, were the group to go the way of the dinosaurs, it would help to restore the Assad regime which is the worst possible outcome in the eyes of the US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.
Kosher alert, goyim.
Who wrote this? The international Jewish mafia, Zionists and their lobbies and oligarchs all over the West aren't even worth a mention? At least write, "...Saudis, Qataris and mumble, mumble, coough... Israelis."