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Tesla Tumbles After Consumer Reports Yanks Its "Best Car Ever" Recommendation, Now Says It Has "Poor Reliability"
In what is truly historic flip flop, just a month after Consumer Reports said the Tesla Model S is the best car it has ever tested, the agency has not only yanked its original review, but has come out with what is clearly a hitjob sponsored by another highest bidder, aimed squarely at Elon Musk's overpriced science experiment.
As a reminder, back in September, in "an expert and unbiased review" Consumer Reports gave the Model S a rating of 100— a perfect score — calling it "the best-performing car that Consumer Reports has ever tested." It added:
"The Model S being the first car to receive 100 out of 100 points is truly a testament to our commitment to continually give our customers enhancements in range, performance and value, and ultimately a better driving and ownership experience."
"It really blew up our system," said Jake Fisher, the head of automotive testing for Consumer Reports. "It actually scored above 100 in our system before we had to make some changes to account for this car."
Initially, the P85D Model S scored 103 points when Consumer Reportsmeasured the car's acceleration, braking, handling and other key performance characteristics. Fisher and his team then modified their scoring model to make the P85D fit into a 100-point scale.
A little over a month later, the Elon Musk marketing check appears to have bounced, because not only did Consumer Reports yank, literally, its glowing September review, leading to the following 404-ed page...
... but has come out with the following unabashed hit job on the car. LA Times has more:
Cnsumer Reports withdrew its recommendation for the Tesla Model S – a car the magazine has previously raved about – because of poor reliability for the sporty electric sedan.The turnabout comes after the influential consumer magazine handed the luxury car a “worse-than-average” rating in its annual report on the predicted reliability of new vehicles issued Tuesday.
Consumer Reports surveyed 1,400 Model S owners “who chronicled an array of detailed and complicated maladies” with the drivetrain, power equipment, charging equipment and giant iPad-like center console. They also complained about body and sunroof squeaks, rattles and leaks.
“As the older vehicles are getting up on miles we are seeing some where the electric motor needs to be replaced and the onboard charging system won’t charge the battery,” said Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports’ director of automotive testing. “On the newer vehicles we are seeing problems such as the sunroof not operating properly. Door handles continue to be an issue.”
Fisher said the flaws could signal future problems for the brand, which plans to roughly double production next year. It has just begun deliveries of a second vehicle, the Model X electric crossover, and intends to introduce the Model 3, a smaller, less expensive electric car, in 2017.
It also notes the following (un)reliability schematic:
Adding insult to injury, it adds that "driving range drops considerably when it's cold outside." So just don't drive it when it's cold, then, rigjt?
The bottom line:
And so the myth dies (at least until Elon Musk's generous "marketing" check clears), and the stock is responding accordingly.
Not pretty...
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That must suck. $100K for a car that doesn't move. Hard to be snooty in the driver's seat when you're stuck on the side of the road in a dead car.
What?! A stock that falls based on actual circumstances?! Unheard of! We need more QE to right this ship.
Well the fact that it has risen this far is NOT logical at all so you can take some comfort in that.
Just re-purpose them for FD training, college bonfire parties and wienie roasts.. big new verticals.
Big new vertical drop in stock price. Looks like start of the next leg down right now...
Somebody got paid big bucks and CR to hype it up and then send it crashing months later.
One of my stupid co-workers bought one of these. I took a drive in it. It was okay. But I knew the battery would have much lower capacity in cold weather. At best 120 miles on a charge in less than ideal conditions -- certainly not the marketed 200.
To be rational, how do you value a car that has less capability than "normal" cars. By less capable, I mean you cannot use it for extended trips. No other car stops for 8 hours and has to be taken home after a moderately long drive.
Since the car has less capability, it should cost less, not more. So a rational person would pay less for an electric than a normal car. I would give maybe $10k for the car. $100k is for imbeciles with no logical thought processes at all.
< Lithium ion batteries
< Graphene capacitors
The future is...
Flux Capacitors. Or cold fusion. Maybe Thorium reactors. You know, what ever somehow sneaks through the petrochemical "it shall never see the light of day" obstacle course first.
The future is Hopium. Long hopium!
Overpromise, under-deliver, profit!
What could go wrong?
The future is digital printing!
If the American taxpayers handed me hundreds of millions in tax credits, I could probably run a company that builds unreliable electric cars too...
Passat diesel,cheap, comfortable,reliable,and 700 miles on 40 bucks of fuel.
pollution
Sanity doesn't sell.
Sanity is going to have to start selling real soon.
But it's okay if it doesn't. The crazies are already killing each other off, and I approve. I have made for myself an ark and I and mine will float away.
How many can fit on a Unicorn?
Yes, or perhaps an 80's/early 90's Mercedes diesel with mechanical fuel injection.
Is the 40 MPG your actual or VW's test results?
My Jetta TDI has consistenly gotten around 1000 km on 50 to 53 litres of diesel (620 miles on 13 to 14 gallons, about 45 mpg) for the past 14 years. Not going easy either, mixed driving and 75+ mph on the highway.
Then again perhaps the cars are so good that Elon is actually paying Consumer Reports to sabotage the stock price in order to buy back the entire company as cheaply as he can. You just never know these days.
If true then he is probaly making a fortune on his shorts...
Or...the banksters. From my past experiences, I haven't trusted them for years. Time for a rewrite of this BS;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Reports#Editorial_independence
So why's this not surprise me. The goobermint goes all in on electric cars. Remember the Volt? !,000s per month, 1,000,000s per year. yeah, right.
All subsidized to beat the band.
Elon's playthings would not even be affordable but to the 1% if it were not for $100,00+ subsidy Per Vehicle!
And when brand new, it was given 5 stars without even being tested!
Y'all don't think that's some kind of government hype now, do ya?
Nah ....
Now about that end user agreement and those 146 A1M1's gone to the terrorists in Iraq
Doomer.......you know Elon has a hot wife that loves him for his personality and looks........
And when brand new, it was given 5 stars without even being tested!
Just like the prez and his Nobel prize. Participation awards are now being given to grown ups.
Sound familiar?
https://app.box.com/s/hfgvcqg7gqh7i27at6sv53ywu87lwarp (WANTA-Book)
They are fair weather commuter chariots for the 1%. You won't see them in a foot of snow in 20 degree temps. Just part of the climate change brainwashing lies to eventually get their carbon tax which will reap untold fortunes for the govt to keep the free shit train on its tracks.
On a cold day in Minnesota, you would be hoping the car starts on fire to keep you warm.
Anyone ever figure out that the electrical generating capacity necessary to just power recharging all electric car replacements for the city of Los Angeles ALONE would use up the current generating capacity of the entire Western United States electrical grid ?
So, where is all the power going to come from for a brave new rainbow skittle shitting unicorn electric car planet ?
Where the fuck does all that juice come from ?
Currently in the USA, most electrical energy is generated by - BURNING COAL AND NATURAL GAS.
Fuck all you smug save the planet greensham-wows.
Not even gonna get into the non regulated battery factories poluting the living rat fuck out of their local environnments in China.
I tell these same ings to every proponent of the electric car.
Not to mention the fact that you lose about 30-40% of the energy to the WIRING in the grid. Then of course theres the loss in charging, loss in battery, loss from battery, etc etc etc. Basically, if you tallied up the pollution of the electric car I would not be suprised that it pollutes more than a gas car.
Not that Im into black gold...the answer is clearly somewhere between solar and hydrogen, an energy source that is renewable, that has quite a lot of potential energy per unit volume...
But the answer is not Tesla...Not even fucking close. Tesla is a electric car tech patenter. That's really its main focus. As a company, it has value for sure, but it is not in the cars they sell or make. Its in the tech they patent. Its actually a genius company, if you think about it: bilk the government to further research into battery and electric motor tech, and sell cars on the side to put in place the veneer of credibility/hype.
Made a killing off Tesla few years back. Now? Wouldn't touch it with wooden stick.
Most people would get lost in these simple explanations explained above.
Wasn't this the site that talked about Tesla's business model as selling carbon credits to other manufacturers? And now that golden goose is gone after this year? I like electric cars if they made faster ones and just called them sports cars. But even Formula 1 which tried to go "green" is failing with their boring super complicated cars. Seems like Tesla is making cars to fund SpaceX.
Hydrogen is only a means of storing energy, not a SOURCE. The entire hydrogen generation, storage, transportation, usage cycle is also very inefficient, around 60% to 70%.
The power to recharge electric cars will come from all those solar farms. Just plug in your car to charge when you get home at night..... Ummmm , WAIT....
be smart, bet on the dead cat bounce
Isn't this just a 'souped up' golf cart??
Even with a multiplier of 10x, you should be looking at 50-60k max for this thing......Looks like you would have bettery reliability out of the golf cart though.
EM is a marketing genius...selling people tricked out golf carts since 2003!!
They are an upgrade from the golfcarts. These explode into flames if you get them wet. Golf carts just get wet.
Man, to suscceed ya gotta deliver on your core claims. Ouch.
And ya' gotta get the door handles right.
The door handle thing could really be a problem when your car bursts into flames and you can't get out 'cause the door handle fell off.
Bad reliability is a plus. One can't be a snooty elitist without being able to say, "my Rolls/Jaguar/Bentley/Bugatti/Tesla is in the shop."
...yup, even the Prius. We had one for a couple of years, till the brakes went out 3 times. What would be a master cylinder on any other car ($50 part and $150-200 labor) is a $2500 "computerized brake actuator". Sheesh...three times! Byebye Prius (replaced it with a diesel VW Jetta, ha!)
LOL, the anti-Prius. +100
That's unusual. My '06 Prius went 135k before its first front pads and rotor turning. Mine's been bulletproof.
yup. brakes (pads & rotors) last a very long time on Prius, since most braking is done by the regeneration....only when you slam on the brakes or come to a complete stop does the mechanical brake system engage. nevertheless, they seem to have problems with brake actuators. it took years before it started going, but then all the replacements went fast as well...something wrong in their parts chain i guess.
(edit: actually, some people report a problem with brakes making grinding noises that is attributable to rust on the rotor, since the brakes are hardly used...)
what's a "shop"? sorry, we have lexuses (lexi?) - is that what you call the big hangar-like room where they change the oil?
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2015/10/20/consumer-reports-most-reli...
driving across town in the mid-Peninsula and there was this oldish Indian lady in a Maserati driving about 18 mpr because she didn't want to scrape the bottom on the dip at the corner. Seriously funny, she looked so nervous. Nobody told her the cars aren't for driiiving.
I had an older friend who sold his business and finally bought his dream car - a seriously customized Porsche 911 - for about half a million bucks. I actually did feel sorry for the guy when I witnessed him seriously bottoming-out as he drove into our parking lot.
Well, as a Model S owner myself (and one of 20,000 deposit-holders on the Model X) my spidey sense tells me the Model X is going to have a bevy of problems, particularly with their funky-ass gull-wing doors.
*Falcon*-wing, you peasant. FALCON.
"Chicken wing" doors
If you drive these with the doors open, do they fly?
what's ur experience been? wife's car is 8 yrs old and since a model s is only a little more than a new ls was thinking about trying to steer her that way but this obviously gives pause... I know two people w/them (s) who both love them (one of whom also has a ferrari that basically sits in his garage now) so this article comes as a bit of a surprise?
Methinks people that plunked down 100k for a clunker might not want people to know they got sucked into the hype.
Hit piece. The timing around the VW (diesel in general) bit is interesting.
This would be how GM fights for it's life.
+1 Consumer Reports got a bigger check...
We just got an IS because my girl's Dad took us for a spin in his new LS. The people I know who want the Tesla want it for the acceleration and laugh at the green part of it.
PE reset time
The "market" can't let one of it's darlings fall. Wait till it hits $200 per share and then BTFD!
Consumer Reports has been a corrupt organization for decades. How is this going to affect the construction of Tesla's two new battery plants(Reno, NV, and TX?)
Also: Dyson is expected to begin integrating Sakti3's advanced solid-state battery technology into its systems within the next year or two.
Dyson and Sastry wouldn't address speculation on whether Sakti3's technology could still make its way into electric vehicles. Sakti3 garnered attention in 2014 when it claimed that its batteries were nearly twice as efficient as the batteries in Tesla's cars.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/10/19/dyson-sakti3-battery...
I **used** to trust CR, and still subscribe to them. This is too much, however, they have really shown their decay. Nix on resubscription. You listening, CR?
I give them credit - 1400 vehicles is only just enough to start measuring reliability.
When the facts on the ground change, should not ones opinion change?
Of course, but the Tesla isn't the first product they have ever reviewed.
What does that even mean? From driving the new car they rated it extremely high and published that rating. Only after receiving the surveys from Tesla owners did the questions about reliability comes to light. In light of that new information, CR changed their review. Isn't that how you would want a reputable organization to act?
CR also pushed the Volt when it was coming out. Why would they even rate it if they didn't have data? It is called social engineering. And it isn't just cars. CR is full of SJW's pushing "right" ideas, lifestyles, and products.
You keep saying this, but never provide anything to back it up. Please provide me a link.
http://nlpc.org/stories/2011/11/07/was-consumer-reports’-chevy-volt-reliability-survey-corrupted
This entire article is conjecture. Did you even read it?
Did you read the article you are commenting in?
There was a time when I thought I wanted to be a 'smart consumer'. Then I realized THEY want me to be a consumer! Thats not what I want at all! Pretty funny...
Link to Consumer Reports being corrupt? Lots of morons (like yourself probably) make that claim, but funny enough I've never seen or read anything that backs up the assertion. I'll be waiting.
You mistake what Tesla is doing. Tesla isn't trying to use state-of-the-art technology, they are using the cheapest COMMODITY components. That's why their battery packs are made up of 8,000 ordinary 18650 type cells, and not an exotic Li-ion cell like every other EV manufacturer.
The 18650 cell is whats in lots of computers, and in every lithium cordless power tool. An 18 volt power tool pack contains 5 x 18650 cells, and extra capacity 18 volt packs, contain 10 x 18650 cells
My e-cig has 2 married 18650's puff puff... yumtastic!
Sooooo...not counting fires, Tesla is still OK?
If you like your black soot tail pipe plume somewhere else.
Arnold, hit it on the head, they think they have no source in pollution, but don't confuse them with the facts. +100 for succinct post.
Thanks, but it is not clever on my part.
Any one that built things in the old days looks to where all the component parts of a thing come from, including projected cost of operation.
Longevity of operation is not a factor and dumping the battery pack at the end of a relatively short useful life is not figured into any of the operating costs.
MBAs don't have time to do that anymore, I recon.
Not if they want to keep their job.
The subsidies alone are a flashing,waving red flag against them.
Yupper, Batteries in hot and cold conditions are problematic in almost all applications.
I saw a post on a car forum about how little maintenance electric cars have. The schedule was even posted. The one thing missing from maintenance schedule was the battery replacement. It was for a Nissan Leaf. WTF.
I don't know what the big deal is but my 2 seater Honda is at 90k miles and just has had oil changes, tires and brakes pads as regular maintenance. Is an oil change really that hard to do every 5000 miles? Sure I have done the brakes, upgraded clutch/flywheel, performance tires, etc. But really its just tires, breaks, gas and oil if I wasn't enhancing the car. I know plenty of people with Hondas and Toyotas that do nothing major during the first 150k miles. I would imagine creating electricity and producing the 1000's of 18650 batteries is much worse for the environment then the gas, 20 oil filters and 1000 quarts of oil
I'm not sure why this necessarily hurts them in the long run. Jaguars were notorious for being unreliable (see Mad Men plot where guy tries to kill himself with Jaguar but cant get it started).
Mercedes cars, among other brands are often as bad or worse than entry level domenstics in reliability, escpecially in the electronics.
The issue is, is Tesla selling a dream of "Green motoring" for the masses or are they a luxury brand for doctors and businessmen? If its the later, high profile failures, including fires will only add to the brand's mystique. If its the former, then look out below.
My chevy 1/2 ton, three on the tree, clutch--50,000 miles x 6
Ford 1 ton dualie crew, 0nce at 80,000 miles, could use it again at 300,000.
MG 10,000 mile clutch, (getting pretty quick at it)
Jaguar XJ (a buddies) x2 20,000 miles each. (I will never get quick with Jag clutches)
Can't change a bat pack out.
Your post reminds me of the 'Doctor Killer'.
http://atomictoasters.com/2014/02/forked-tail-doctor-killer-the-beechcra...
Thanks.
3d open source cars and trucks. Ill have something for yall in a few weeks.
That flip flop makes Gartman look like an amateur.
Still appears to be overvalued by 80%. Then again I'm sure by the 4 quarter of 2030 they'll be profitable. That's when the Hyperloop should be completed. Bwahahahhahhaha.
Better buy some Facebook with a market cap of one quarter of a TRILLION dollars.
Ugh... a dishonor to the greatest of minds. Fuck these poseurs and their faggy poseur king.
Consumer Reports: The Standard and Poors of Consumer Ratings.
Link to their corruption? You're aware that they don't take any advertisements and buy every product that they test, right?
So S&P's crooked? Who knew!
These first cars to roll off the assembly line are prototypes at best.
WTF did anyone expect?
that maybe the 2nd or 3rd line of cars would be better?
it's too bad, I really like the cars
and especially since Mercedes, Audi or BMW aren't able to produce any decent alternatives either
Germany's car makes are behind the eight ball on this one
Audi E-Tron, BMW I-3 and I-8, Porsche 918 Spyder, VW Golf E, and a whole mess of other electric and hybrid cars that are all better than the Tesla.
The Germans all have new electric cars ready to go. You need to take a look at some car mags.
The 918 is one sexy car in person. I think it was Williams who created the KERS unit for the 918. Some real high tech stuff going on there. Push to pass, exactly where this technology should head.
Aren't able to produce?
No, they don't WANT to produce EVs. They know EVs are a pile of poop with limited market.
I drink....
Yeah I would expect a pile of crap for 100k
Many unhappy Norwegian customers.
Imagine raging Vikings coming to the L.A. area during a typical Black Friday riot.
Umm, sounds like SpaceX. The focus is only on the problem of the day and the next unreasonable Elon goal.
yep
Unreasonable goal? But he's a visionary! And we landed men on the Moon back in 1969! Err. Robots. Err, supposedly men. Err...We just don't really care about going back, OK!
Electric cars didn't work in the 1800's. Nothing has changed.
Well...they did work. They were powered off the combustion of carbon chains...just like today. The skittle farting unicorn car hasn't been invented yet. Musk is a rent seeker.
Electric cars in the late 1800's worked much better than gasoline, diesel or steam cars of that era. In fact, it was electric cars that held the early speed records.
Shitty reliability means it costs even more to drive it which should boost it's doucebag cred. More sales.
There's also a mandatory $600 per year "inspection" fee charged by the dealer. You don't have to have the inspection, but if you don't the warranty is void, including battery warranty.
Add that cost to running the car....
Yepper, all we need is MOAR tax credits so the masses will pay for cars that won't run!
Grumpy,
It ain't the masses buying these things and leads you to question the fairness of providing a tax credit to the rich in the name of efficiency, all on, as you say, the backs of the "masses".
FuggIt
Only an idiot desperate to part with his money would buy one of these Edsel wannabes...
Hey! At least, Edsel's were affordable and fun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel#Design_controversies
The Edsel's most memorable design feature was its trademark "horsecollar" or toilet seatgrille, which was quite distinct from other cars of the period. According to a popular joke at the time, the Edsel "resembled an Oldsmobile sucking a lemon".[16] Some have speculated that the car failed to sell because its grille resembled a vulva.[17] A crude jest that referenced the genital resemblance of the Edsel front grille was 'If you put some hair around it, you'd have an Ethel'.
Then, there's the Vietnam guy;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel#Company_politics_and_the_role_of_Rob...
"An overpriced science experiment..."
Thanks Tyler, for summing up in four words, what's wrong with this picture.
When you give up on actual science, you end up being Volkswagon.
That was science, focused on cheating.
I write software, similar as what Volkswagon used to cheat. It's not a science.
I also do science, which is how I got into software.
So I know the difference.
Musk needs to get into hoverboards:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/alexkantrowitz/a-crash-course-in-hoverboards
Its a government car! End of story.
Tesla to consult VW on new Diesel model
FUCK YOU, SMUG TESLA DRIVERS!!!!!! BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The auto market is a vicious marketplace. Really vicious ... very sensitive to consumer perceptions and changes in technology.
You can love Elon Musk, or you can hate him. But really, what's he TRYING to do? He is trying to make electric cars "work". He is trying to make the concept viable and actually get it operating. That has to be a great goal ... our planet needs these new concepts. Seriously.
No need to mention that the regular auto industry played with the idea of "electric cars" and gave up completely. So it's really only the bold entrepreneurs like Musk, with their "overpriced science experiments", who actually hav a chance to change the game plan.
Tesla's are way outside my price range. But I've heard that their handling is phenomenally good. Sounds like the company will need to improve the reliability. I'm not a stock holder of Tesla, by the way. The feedback is what I heard from owners of the cars.
BY THE WAY - If Apple goes ahead with their electric i-Car then they are also facing a real chance of getting hammered as well. Just my opinion, maybe they will prove everyone wrong.
Attach 1000 lbs of weight under your car and it will handle very well too. Might not drive that fast, but it will handle great.
Musk has always taken the quick and easy path, cutting corners any way he can. He is nothing but a Wall Street scam artist. Tesla, Solar City, Hyperloop, Space X and all of his other ventures never would exist if it weren't for the ability to take the entities public and profit off selling shares to schmucks.
So capitalism works?
Wait a minute. They just figured out that batteries don't like low temperatures? People who live in cold areas have known this for decades.
The Tesla Model S satisfies three demands of luxury car buyers: it's big, heavy, and allows for high levels of in your face I'm better than you smugness. Sadly it fails at everything else.
The build quality is lower than entry level compact cars and has electrical problems that make a 1960s British car look like a 1990s Toyota.
There is nothing in the Model S that justifies its insane price tag. The seats are terrible, the interior materials are nowhere near what you find in other $100k+ luxury cars, and it doesn't look all that great.
If you can afford to spend $100k+ on a car, you really don't need to worry about affording gas. A Mercedes Benz S class trounces the Model S in every way imaginable other than being electric.
The only reason any 1%er buys a Tesla is to make it look like he cares about saving the planet and attempting to send the few thousand shares of Tesla he probably bought a few percentage points higher.
Don't mind that their motor cases are cracking....nope! That has nothing to do with it! How's that for reliability??
Somewhere a delicate voice, mired with postnatal drip is speaking from beyond the grave...(John Delorean)
Just another toy for the person that has everything else.
They are a great ride for a weekend. If you have kids, live in the northern US, and still like the sound of a fine engine going from 2nd to third, it is not the right vehicle for you. You will look cool picking up your scone and $8 dollar late, but is that enough? It is the rich dude's car that wants to seem eco cool. Cmon...stop pretending...get yourself a S500 and call it a day. It will actually be worth something 10 years from now verus the Tesla. The deprecation of the Model S is terrible. No one is going to want an old electronic car...they will want the new one with a an improved range plus the expensive battery overhaul is a problem for second owners. I may consider a full electronic car in a decade when they are the norm. Until then no thanks.
completely agree.
there is no incentive for anyone outside the target demographic to purchase a tesla.
It sells. To people who like expensive things. Who currently are the only ones with any money.
End of story, pretty much.
End of all the stories, probably.
Electric cars won't be "mainstream". If they increase in popularity, then the government will TAX them much more. Why? Because governemnts loose $500 to $1500 per year in gasoline taxes on every electric car.
Do you actually believe governments are going to let that huge amount of tax revenue escape?
Governments are already talking about taxing mileage instead of fuel, be it fossil or electric. In the end, it will make no difference what you drive. The government will just check in with NSA to see how many miles you drove and send you a bill fir taxes owed.
They are a great ride for a weekend. If you have kids, live in the northern US, and still like the sound of a fine engine going from 2nd to third, it is not the right vehicle for you. You will look cool picking up your scone and $8 dollar late, but is that enough? It is the rich dude's car that wants to seem eco cool. Cmon...stop pretending...get yourself a S500 and call it a day. It will actually be worth something 10 years from now verus the Tesla. The deprecation of the Model S is terrible. No one is going to want an old electronic car...they will want the new one with a an improved range plus the expensive battery overhaul is a problem for second owners. I may consider a full electronic car in a decade when they are the norm. Until then no thanks.
elon should thank them for the customer feedback. if he's as smart as people claim he is, then improvements will be integrated into the next model release.
Follow the short positions
Musk swings on Obama's sack. End of story. car sucks
The auto market is a vicious marketplace. Really vicious ...
very sensitive to competitor's consumer reviews payoffs
If it has tits or tires....you are bound to have trouble with it.
C'mon, guys. You're expected to buy more than one so you have a backup handy.
It's just a 4,000lb battery sitting on four tires.
In 1 month Consumer Report changes it mind. Also we have to question Consumer Report on everything since they should also be in the spot light on what they are reviewing and reporting. 1 month change what data were they looking at to warrant a dramatic change in opinion. Guess the post are correct the marketing check did not arrive.
Their annual car reliabilty surverys were just done and compiled. The surveys are sent out only once per year.
I wonder what the resale value for a 4 or 5 year old Tesla is? I am not sure I could afford the repairs even if someone GAVE me the car
Tesla needs a high stock price. That's how they raise half a billion dollars of cash each QUARTER, because that's the only way they can keep the company afloat.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3281562/Tesla-autopilot-fail-videos-emerge-Terrifying-footage-shows-happens-autonomous-driving-goes-wrong.html
It went looking for a barge to land on ...
Those idiots who bought TSLA now feels STUPID ALREADY??
I'm majoring in electronic. Electric motors is the most efficient mode of transportation? TRUE!
However, i'm NOT that stupid to wanna buy a fully electrified cars/motorcycle. Unless i'll commutes <50 miles/day. The ENABLING technolgy is just ISN'T THERE, YET!! Which is the battery (energy storage system).
Here, comparisons of different kind of energy source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density
Compared to a same MASS of gasoline? How much the energy density of Lithium-Ion batteries??
Unless those energy storage system for electric cars/motorcycle reach AT LEAST 25% of the same mass of a full tank of gasoline/diesel? With the size at least the same or less than that fossil fuel tank? And total car/motorcycle priced match the that fossil fuels car/motorcycle?
You only dreaming/delusional about the success of these electrified vehicles.
Don't believe? See this TSLA EPS report.
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/revenue-eps
Do you really invest on that IDIOT company??
I sense a great deal of p-envy for Tesla owners and Musk in these comments
Steve Jobs
Craig Venter
Elon Musk
True American visionaries
who deserve total respect
There are zillions of them around here (Silicon Valley). They are stupid and I would never buy one, but I vastly prefer to share the road with them (in my honda civic) than with yet another monstrously huge GM SUV.