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Leaked E-Mail: CIA Director Says US Screwed Up On Iran After 9/11
One of the interesting things about Russia’s move to bolster the Assad regime by launching hundreds of airstrikes from Moscow’s new air base at Latakia is that it allowed Iran to be more transparent about the role it plays in Syria. To be sure, Tehran has long supported the regime both militarily and financially, but by June, IRGC commanders had apparently become fed up with SAA incompetence, which prompted Qassem Soleimani to visit Putin and explain that if Russia didn’t intervene quickly, Damascus would be lost to rebels backed by the West and its regional allies.
Putin, sensing an opportunity to supplant Washington as Mid-East puppet master, agreed to intervene and having thus procured the superpower stamp of approval, Iran suddenly ceased trying to hide its overt military support for Assad. First, reports of an increased Iranian troop presence began to surface. Next, the entire world woke up to what it meant that Hezbollah is fighting alongside Assad (i.e. the public suddenly came to understand that Hezbollah = Iran). Finally, on the eve of the assault on Aleppo, Soleimani was on the frontlines taking selfies with Shiite militiamen he called up from Iraq. In other words, Iran is no longer making any secret of its efforts to fight Sunni extremism in Syria in support of Assad.
The interesting thing about this is that Iran was prepared to play a similar role in Iraq and Afghanistan in the wake of 9/11 only instead of aiding Russia, Tehran was prepared to support the US in the battle against the Taliban and subsequently against Saddam. Predictably, American incompetence screwed the pooch when George Bush, presumably unaware of the realities on the ground, named Iran as a member of his infamous “Axis Of Evil.” Consider the following account from The New Yorker:
In the chaotic days after the attacks of September 11th, Ryan Crocker, then a senior State Department official, flew discreetly to Geneva to meet a group of Iranian diplomats. “I’d fly out on a Friday and then back on Sunday, so nobody in the office knew where I’d been,” Crocker told me. “We’d stay up all night in those meetings.” It seemed clear to Crocker that the Iranians were answering to Suleimani, whom they referred to as “Haji Qassem,” and that they were eager to help the United States destroy their mutual enemy, the Taliban.
Before the bombing began, Crocker sensed that the Iranians were growing impatient with the Bush Administration, thinking that it was taking too long to attack the Taliban. At a meeting in early October, 2001, the lead Iranian negotiator stood up and slammed a sheaf of papers on the table. “If you guys don’t stop building these fairy-tale governments in the sky, and actually start doing some shooting on the ground, none of this is ever going to happen!” he shouted. “When you’re ready to talk about serious fighting, you know where to find me.”
The coöperation between the two countries lasted through the initial phase of the war. At one point, the lead negotiator handed Crocker a map detailing the disposition of Taliban forces. “Here’s our advice: hit them here first, and then hit them over here. And here’s the logic.” Stunned, Crocker asked, “Can I take notes?” The negotiator replied, “You can keep the map.”
The good will didn’t last. In January, 2002, Crocker, who was by then the deputy chief of the American Embassy in Kabul, was awakened one night by aides, who told him that President George W. Bush, in his State of the Union Address, had named Iran as part of an “Axis of Evil.” Like many senior diplomats, Crocker was caught off guard. He saw the negotiator the next day at the U.N. compound in Kabul, and he was furious. “You completely damaged me,” Crocker recalled him saying. The good will didn’t last. In January, 2002, Crocker, who was by then the deputy chief of the American Embassy in Kabul, was awakened one night by aides, who told him that President George W. Bush, in his State of the Union Address, had named Iran as part of an “Axis of Evil.” Like many senior diplomats, Crocker was caught off guard. He saw the negotiator the next day at the U.N. compound in Kabul, and he was furious. “You completely damaged me,” Crocker recalled him saying. “Suleimani is in a tearing rage. He feels compromised.” The negotiator told Crocker that, at great political risk, Suleimani had been contemplating a complete reëvaluation of the United States, saying, “Maybe it’s time to rethink our relationship with the Americans.” The Axis of Evil speech brought the meetings to an end. Reformers inside the government, who had advocated a rapprochement with the United States, were put on the defensive. Recalling that time, Crocker shook his head. “We were just that close,” he said. “One word in one speech changed history.”
Apparently, that assessment is shared by CIA Director John Brennan, who you’ll recall had his e-mail hacked this month by a 13-year old belonging to a group called “Crackas With Attitude.”
In the wake of the hack (which we documented here), Wikileaks has published a series of documents, one of which is entitled “The Conundrum of Iran.” In it, Brennan outlines his reservations about US policy vis-a-vis Tehran noting that the US needs to “tone down the rhetoric” and seek constructive dialogue even as he chides Tehran for its role in promoting international terrorism. Here are some notable excerpts:
Iran will be a major player on the world stage in the decades ahead, and its actions and behavior will have a major and enduring impact on near- and long-term U.S. interests on a wide variety of regional and global issues.
The United States has no choice but to find a way to coexist—and to come to terms—with whatever government holds power in Tehran.
An unfortunate hallmark of U.S.-Iranian relations since 2001 has been growing divide between Washington and Tehran, chronicled by bombastic rhetorical broadsides that have been hurled publicly by each side against the other.
The tragedy of the al-Qa’ida launched terrorist attacks against the U.S. homeland in September 2001 prompted the U.S. Administration to engage in a far-reaching campaign to eradicate the sources of terrorism, and Iran, understandably—but regrettably—was swept up in the emotionally charged rhetoric that emanated from Washington under the seemingly all-encompassing rubric of “The Global War on Terrorism.”
The gratuitous labeling of Iran as part of a worldwide “axis of evil” by President Bush combined with strong U.S. criticisms of Iran’s nascent nuclear program and its meddling in Iraq led Tehran to the view that Washington had embarked on a course of confrontation in the region that would soon set a kinetic focus on Iran. Even Iran’s positive engagement in helping repair the post Taliban political environment in Afghanistan was met with indifference by Washington.
According to James Dobbins, the Bush Administration’s first U.S. envoy to Afghanistan, Iranian diplomats made important contributions to the success of U.N. sponsored negotiations that resulted in the inauguration of the Karzai Government in Kabul. But unlike the foreign ministers of other nations involved in those negotiations, Iran’s foreign minister did not receive a personal note of thanks from his U.S. counterpart, despite, according to Dobbins, the fact that he “may have been the most helpful.”
In other words, Iran played a major role in helping the US fight the Taliban and al-Qaeda and was probably more than willing to engage with Washington in Iraq as well, but the US couldn't even be bothered to send Tehran a thank you note and on top of that, The White House branded the Iranians "evil" even as they were providing the Pentagon with critical intelligence in Afghanistan.
Now, in Syria, we've come full circle. The US and its regional allies are sponsoring the very same terrorists (al-Qaeda in the form of al-Nusra) they were battling in Afghanistan and Iran is fighting alongside the Russians to eradicate the group along with a bevy of other rebel factions. In other words, this is just a rerun of the Soviet-Afghan war only this time, the outcome will likely be far different thanks in no small part to Iran's ground operations. Tehran is of course also battling Sunni extremists in Iraq.
The question going forward is whether America has learned anything from the "Axis of Evil" debacle or whether Washington will continue to insist that Tehran is the largest state sponsor of terror on the planet even as the IRGC commits soldiers to fight all of the terrorist groups operating in Syria that are directly or indirectly supported by the country which, if we we're being honest, is actually the lead sponsor of global terrorism: the US.
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What has the US not screwed up? The Neocons who dictate US policy have constantly sought war.
About 5 million deaths in the Middle East in the last two and a half decades due to US wars
US Sponsored Genocide Against Iraq 1990-2012. Killed 3.3 Million, Including 750,000 Childrenhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sponsored-genocide-against-iraq-1990-201...
All those beltway insiders know more than the people with on the ground experience, and with the last couple of SoS we're approaching diplomatic Nirvana. We did much better in the old days when we used bribery and coercion instead of political doctrine and bullshit.....
We screwed up after 9/11?
Do the CIA emails mention why the FBI was ordered to release the Israeli Mossad agents that were arrested for filming and celebrating the planes flying into the twin towers and driving around Manhattan with explosives in a van?
Odd that the US media and our "representatives" still refuse to acknowledge or address this fact that was widely reported and verified.
Instead, we started the longest war and occupation in American history...in Afghanistan!
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost over $6 trillion
At least we get something from our Afghanistan occupation:
AFGHAN OPIUM PRODUCTION INCREASES 35-FOLD SINCE U.S. INVASIONhttp://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/10/afghan-opium-produ...
Obama promotes plan to kick heroin and painkiller epidemic in US
Rumors Persist That The CIA Helps Export Opium From Afghanistan
Obama Explains Why The U.S. Isn't Pulling Out Of Afghanistan After All - Live Feed
The CIA is filled with many dedicated Americans/others that take great risk to protect our interest with no public recognition. They no doubt do things that do not fit our relative morals and operate beyond the borders of some laws, things we have no need or purpose to know. There must be trust that most of what they do is in our interest. They deal with some flaky people and get flaky results or no results or bad results but they try, always careful not to stir even a hint of local, country or internationl attention. Or sometimes it is just an individual that must effect something, collect something at great risk which takes a lot of courage and a little "well fuck it, here goes". Some times, so there is no money trail, they must acquire funding from less than acceptable sources and you can imagine how that works. If we could slice out the politics, the ego OZ's, misguided schemes (which usually go back to politics), we might be able to rebuild some trust in our nation and government.
YO --
-- TYLER --
if you read phphax's twitter, he makes fun of people who actually believe that he's only 13. The age of 13 was made up information for his account.
You forgot to mention that the Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee is on the job!!
two hoots,
nobody's denying that there's a lot of great guys at the operational level...that's well known. but, look, the good guys in the CIA better get to cleaning house -- starting at the top.
trust me, there are many-many agencies who'd love to scoop-up the good guys if/when JFK's desire to 'shatter it and cast it to the 4 winds' comes to fruition.
a fish rots from the head down...i smell some scaly stank emanating from langley.
janus
one additional thought, langley:
there is no better way to demonstrate your problems than through contrast. in some fifty or so years you've gone from this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Jesus_Angleton
to this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O._Brennan
need i say anymore?
with respect to the former, i once knew a man who knew Mr. Angleton personally...according to his accounts, JJ was one of the most amazing persons this country's ever produced. langley don't recruit Angletons anymore...and the results speak for themselves.
i think we are in rat's alley/
where the dead men lost their bones,
janus
I deny that.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/high-dimensioned-games/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/02/09/166/
They did 911, and it is obvious to anyone who spends the 10 hours or so to see the appropriate videos, to think through how the 911 Commission could have missed the bit about Building 7 being explosively deconstructed as it was, the explosives in all the dust, and that coordinated with airplanes running into the buildings must mean something.
I think our CIA has cost this country so much trust it is beyond belief we could have ever thought it was the right thing to do.
The problem of experts, writ large.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/warning-ideas-are-dangerous/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/important-things-are-not-f...
The truth and the facts will never be known, or understood by the majority of unwashed masses in the West. Ever. On 9/11 or on Iran. Starting in the 50s until now the shadow government in the West fully, and the mainstream government has made the lives of Iranians a living hell more than their mullahs could ever - generally.
Anyone who looks at the situation should be surprised that MORE iranians don't want us wiped off the face of the earth, yet the pundits of Fox news ( et al ) use these justified cries to further paint them as savages. Never once do they consider that if we left them the fuck alone we'd all be better off.
Was the Brennan email hack a planned leak, content included, some for credibility?
not for a minute do i believe that kids hacked his account ;)
doesnt look like the work of kids - but was made to look like the work of kid, if you get me (pen tool to redact IPs etc)
cool read, maybe you have or don't https://muckrock.s3.amazonaws.com/foia_files/14f00304-Documents.pdf
LoL @red retard
The enemy of our puppet Saudi King is our enemy.
your puppet is going to be your downfall.
Between Saudi Arabia, Israel, and a decades old sandy vagina about Iran standing up to the West, they will never be let off the hook.
HA HA
-Nelson Kuntz
When I see the study that shows that the heads of intelligence agencies are executed at a lower rate than other cabinet ministers in unexpeced changes of government, not counting changes of government initiated by said intelligence ministers. Hell, I will even be willing to include changes of government lead by their political allies in the count.
That study is surely the last possible defense of the accuracy of intelligence estimates. I just saw a study showing that the US missed Kunduz and 2 other big ones recently.
There are fundamental reasons for that, the nature of nature.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/02/06/high-dimensioned-games/
The failure rate of civilization is very high, a fact our leaders don't emphasize and schools suppress. All wars are lost before they are begin, nobody wins a war in full-context accounting with opportunity costs, but we continue to have wars. Dumb strategy.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/people-can-lose-zero-or-ne...
Countries that do not have foreign policies do better than others. Countries, like Switzerland, that have militias rather than professional militaries, don't have wars. Countries with professional militaries have many wars, we have been in one continuously. Militaries will kill your nation, they have killed every empire in history, and the professional intelligence services of those countries did not save any of them.
I think they don't begin their briefings with the list of failures of their agencies in recent history or the failures of their professions throughout history.
Experts don't do any better, military and intelligence are far better at analysis and thinking, carefully and systematically, than most any other group in government, and they fail and fail and fail because the task is impossible beyond simple facts.
Analysis does not work and cannot work as a general tool for planning, most areas do not permit the continuous checking against reality that makes science and technology possible.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/important-things-are-not-f...
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/08/09/rules-for-flying-blind/
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/there-is-no-truth-in-the-r...
Much of that is because we have been stupid about human values and what is important in our society, so people fail at too high a rate, institutions can't do well either.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/conservative-values/
That is to say, I am a subversive conservative, the intellectual and ethical foundations of this society are so bad it can't work, and that is where we start the reformation.
5 million? Isn't it around the 200 million mark? Not counting Afghanistan.
5 million? Isn't it around the 200 million mark? Not counting Afghanistan.
5 million? Isn't it around the 200 million mark? Not counting Afghanistan.
You guys are right. Putin, Iran and the Shia militias are our friends. Radical Islam of both flavors would like to behead anyone who won't join up. If you think that is bullshit you are on heroin, or probably Abilify. But I guess you guys are right Israel is the source of all our and the worlds problems, just like what every muslim in the world is promoting. Head to your local mosque and join up, they are waiting for you.
That was no screw-up by Bush; that was deliberate. Bush wanted Sadam's head because Sadam had attempted to assassinate his father (took a pot shot at him) when Bush senior had made an earlier trip to the area. 9/11 gave Bush the cover to go into Iran and get Sadam.
Sadly, this comment encapsulates exactly why it is so easy to lie the American people into war.
You know the world is fucked when as a 5 year disciple of Tyler, you cannot discern fantastic sarcasm from idiocy.
Back to the porch for me I guess, as I am not sure which it was.
pods
edit I see River below said it was a mistype. Cool, porch is cold.
Poe's Law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Edit last sentence: Iraq, not Iran. Bush wanted any excuse to get into the area and effect regime change.
If you believe this crap then you really watch too much teevee.
A leaked email that appears to scrub and polish the image of the sitting spook-in-chief.
Next leak is a James Clapper email expressing "grave concern" for US citizens' deteriorating privacy rights.
I grieve that I have but one+ to give.
I'm geusing it had more to do with oil sales denominated in euros, and the Rumsey plan to take out multiple countries that all had oil under ground.
A president with a brain and some balls would have flown Air Force One right into Tehran a week after September 11 to engage in high-level negotiations, convert Iran from a threat to, if not an ally, something other than an enemy, and built from there. Imagine if the US had provided even a little political cover for Khatami. Iran would be in the middle of a first wave of liberalization, and would be our buddy instead of Putin's.
It's not bad enough that the US insists on being an imperial power. We have to completely fuck up being an imperial power. The Federal Government doesn't know how to do shit outside the US other than kill people.
Nope. That would have pissed the Saudis off, and as goes our Saudi relationship, so goes the dollar.
"that would've pissed the saudis off..." more importantly zioreal. david frum wrote the axis of evil speech, he was young but his father was a zionist, & frum was a follower of levis strauss. that grp must've been shitting bricks when they heard about crocker engaging with the iranians.
Such an endeavor is probable Iran would have welcomed.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/porter.php?articleid=9040
You make the mistake of thinking that any president is free of Jew strings. Their claws are so deeply embedded that you cannot have a president with some "balls". The filthy tribe cannot have anyone appear to be more useful than they are.
''Modern-day America is almost a clone replica of Weimar Germany, with Jewish extremists dominating the media, the financial world and being behind the big commercial swindles of the day''
http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Domination-Weimar-Germany-Eckhart/dp/149299...
Weimar Germany was parasitized strongly during and after hyperinflation event. Galacian Jews in particular borrowed Credit money from Wall Street cousins to then buy up Germany.
The 1933 declaration of war against Germany was to prevent food stuffs from being traded for German machine goods. Germany in those days could not feed herself.
International credit really is that bad. It is murderous, and leads nations into insane activities, or promotes insanity.
This taking of usury in power relations (banking creditor over debtors) needs to stop, or mankind cannot evolve to his higher self. We will extinguish ourselves.
The following year (1934) after Hitler the London Times reported "Judea Declares War On Germany"
But if Iran were allowed into Afghanistan, they would have to get a taste of the Rare Earth Elements.
Oh yeah....the Taliban. Yes...we are afraid of a bunch of 7th century assholes with machine guns.
Stingers, not machine guns...
And then there's the "little" fact that NO outside force has ever been able to subdue/control Afghanistan. At some point you have to concede that humans are quite capable ot protecting their land if they are willing to die to do so.
Yes, let's keep pretending like 19 cavemen took down the twin towers and blew a big hole in the pentagon.
Global Research, October 22, 2015
Producers Ray Nowosielski and John Duffy were contacted by the CIA on September 8th, 2015, regarding their extensive research, interviews and findings that led them to discover the identities of two key CIA analysts who were instrumental in covering-up the events of 9/11.
The film’s producers initially only referred to the CIA analysts by their first names, but expressed their intention to later reveal their full identities in a forthcoming “investigative podcast”, which seemingly prompted the agency to step in.
“While producing our investigative podcast “Who Is Rich Blee?,” intended to be released on Sunday, our team managed to deduce the likely identities of two CIA employees at the heart of a notorious failure in the run up to the September 11th tragedy.” a statement reads on the producer’s website, which was offline for most of yesterday.
“On Thursday, we submitted our script to CIA along with a request to interview the two employees,” the statement continues. “We wanted to be fair in giving them a chance to tell their sides of the story. Instead, the Agency sent us a message threatening that if we went forward with the names included in the piece that it would be a potential violation of federal criminal law.”
Duffy and Nowosielski also interviewed former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, who told them on the record that he has intelligence that three former top CIA officials — George Tenet, Cofer Black and Richard Blee — knowingly withheld key information on the alleged hijackers from the White House, the FBI, Immigration and the State and Defense Departments.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-threatens-911-researchers-who-discovere...
What 9/11 cover-up? We surely got the full story in the 9/11 Commission Report. I don't think politicians would lie over something so important.
That is in itself a coverup. Not a possiible world. It says that the top few guys in the CIA decided to run a recruitment operation by letting 14 people, including two senior planner known terrorists, wander around the US with no checking, for about a year. Then, at the last moment before 911, they tell everyone these guys are in twon.
So Richard Clarke goes around painting the CIA leadership as idiots rather than the leaders of the 911 operation.
So, if you believe that story, that the CIA's senior people didn't cover their asses 8 ways from sunday when they even contemplated such an idea, you can believe Richard Clarke.
I think he knows perfectly well it is not a possible world, and so he is part of the story, they got a couple of kids to handle the interviewing and movie making.
If Clarke was interested in tracking down the problems, he would be coordinating with all of the whistleblowers and trying to pull more of them into the open. That isn't what Richard Clarke is doing.
They all screwed up, they said it was a moment that changed the world. It could have been, but the power people did what they always do, go for the guns. With the UK today saying that they would not share intel on ISIS with Russia, says it all really. I my book, that means they back the terrorists. As Putin said today, ' Why distinguish between terrorists, and moderate terrorist?'.
When drawing up sides for WW3, you can't have all the guys on your team. That's the way it was designed.
That's precious!
Afghanistan was done to secure the supply and infrastructure of opium. Ya I know a "conspiracy theory" never mind the hockey stick depicting heroin production in Afghanistan since the invasion.
Islamic faith forbids usury so naturally the ME as a whole is a prime target for the Bankster Cabal. This shit is not confusing. It is what it is.
That same prohibition on usury facilitates they very gold swaps, gold leases, and certain futures transactions that facilitate the bankster cabal's desire for the price of gold not to rise. Interest by another name - Sharia finance 101.
Perhaps as an added benefit, but it wasn't the GOAL. The goal was about controlling land for an oil pipeline. As has happened many times in the past, the US secret govt has resorted to "creative" funding for operations that it wishes to keep hidden from the US Congress ("The People"), and that's where the drug business comes in.
Here's how the Onion wrote Bush's inaugural speech a few days before W actually made it. Pretty much nailed it.
Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over'
"During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years.
"You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?"
http://www.theonion.com/article/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peac...
Because Clinton bombing Serbia, involving US military in internal issue in Haiti and the no fly zone over Iraq was not enough????
What will the government do when it can no longer print oil?
The U.S. is at war with itself.
On this side are neo-cons/neo-liberals and on the other side are real politick residuals. The residuals are old American's who are fading into the woodwork. Most of them are former WASP establishment, which lost out to money power (Jewish finance) in the mid 1960's. It is also no accident that 1965 immigration act coincides with this period. The murder of Kennedy should be considerd the watershed moment.
Full spectrum warfare within America includes importation of a non european element to then further consolidate money power. This money power element then also attacks foundational precepts of America, to then make America further malfunction outside of its constitutional limits.
All of this is gross parsitism, so is it no wonder it seems as if America's lights are on, but nobody is home. The parasite wants its interests served, and its interests are continued rents via money power and survival of Jewish homeland. Even better, is promotion of Eretz Israel, to thus fulfill Messianic prophecy. We are our own God, and this messianism is funded by rent takings on prices of money.
Putin says that the West has Oatmeal for a brain. No, the western brain is not working under its own power. The western brain is having foreign enzymes injected into it, so that it thinks incorrectly.
The same could be said of Soviet Russia when it too was parasitized by bolsheviesm. It managed to murder millions of its own people, usually christians. Is consuming your own citizens rational?
Iran was Persia, an ancient civilization, not a creation of post ww1 false Arab boundaries. Their name IRAN, is a derivation of Aryan. Aryan is a name that under its old meaning, meant Western European racial stock. WASP is effectively Western European Christian White's ...or Aryans.
Persia has always been a natural ally of the West - it is just that Western hypnotized/parasitized brains are unable to see it.
The money power, especially credit petrodollars centered on Wahabbi Arabia, creates a natural fog of confusion for American's. See Kissinger (J) 1973 arrangement with Saudi for petrodollar hegemoney.
There is NO WAY America can serve her own interests, or even think clearly, as long as her money type is international credit.
www.sovereignmoney.eu
Great post. And here's what's been done to the Western brain.
WASP - White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
That pretty much limits it to those little boy fuckers on that shitty rainy island.
Not any better choice than the tribe.
Not sure why I'm so surprised by it but still frustrating how obvious it is that those on the committee (so far, Cummings & Duckworth[less]) have had some sort of communication with the Hillary camp to not only ask softball questions but phrase the questions so Hillary can actually look good in all this. The Duckworth(less) back-and-forth was virtually a waste of time...what piece of info came of any of those statement-questions (was there any questions asked/answered??) was worth the time taken there?
Shit show....hopefully, Gowdy will actually put some heat on this lying POS. Brooks asked some good questions but even she got half-answers at best. Roby letting Hillary interrupt her too....Clinton doing selective memory schtick when Roby references things in the binder right in front of Hillary...demand she take a f'n look at it then if she can't remember! "I have no recollection" in anything that she can't answer.
Yawn...
If they're in politics they are, by default, lying POSes.
The "other side" will never out the real reason for the fuck up because they were implicit in helping draft up the shit-storm that they threw at Libya. The point here, and it was somewhat spouted out by someone with a stupid head, that all is about destroying Billery. Fine. BUT, let's not pretend that this is anything other than party pussy antics. Anyone who cares about the facts ain't going to find any produced from ANY govt "hearings," no more than the dog and pony shows we've always had. But, again, the party pussy folks really do get entertained by this, it's like they're rooting for their favorite football team or something- it's barely discernible from that level of childishness.
America has a product people actually want...
What Empty cargo containers
No. War! Not all people, just a few actually. But those are the Satanists in power.
sold out to our special friend.
interesting that obambam has largely taken his advice. that is part of the reason i suspect the russian takeover of the region may not have been such a surprise. maybe it is the extension of the conversation obambam and putin had when obambam commented he would be much more flexible after the election and another recorded comment where both said nutandyahoo was a pain in the ass. turning israel over to russia puts the crazies in a box and the usa gets to wash its hands of its influence in the region.
it only makes sense that iran makes a better ally for the usa(and russia) in the region as the foil to saudi arabia and israel, rather than letting the rogue israelis dictate policy in the region alone.
Earlier this year, I believe, there were top US military folks talking about China not likely ready to take on the role of policing the world. I'd figure that these folks KNOW that the US is in decline. So, the idea that perhaps this was a hand-off to Russia isn't far-fetched at all. I have no emotional attachment on it, it'll be what it'll be, but as a US taxpayer I applaud any reason to remove my tax dollars from being involved in things that interfere with the affairs of other sovereign nations.
what i find not so coincidently interesting is kissinger is a key adviser to putin. for all his baby killer credentials, kissinger has always been a detente guy so i think his hands are all over this.
the other thing is the most recent agreement between russia and the usa gave syria to russia and russia agreed not to interfere in iraq. that is the checkmate move on israel.
No shit! You cocksucking motherfucking satantic leprechaun and every single one of your subordinates that are the same!
Langley should be fucking nuked!!!
“The tragedy of the al-Qa’ida launched terrorist attacks against the U.S. homeland in September 2001…. “
Yeah, right.
Notice the spelling of the word “al-qaeda.” The CIA director knows his stuff. Look at his sophisticated spelling of the word. But there was no need to have gratuitously passed along the most brutal Big Lie of the present age.
It is amazing how lacking in honor and in shame are the men who buzz like flies around the government entity in Washington.
As for that subhuman scumbag, David Frum, writer of the axis of evil speech, there is no mystery about what he was up to.
I wonder why Brennan used the phrase “US homeland?” Did he not mean “Eretz Israel?”
What surprises me is that he didn't say “The tragedy of the al-Qa’ida launched terrorist attacks against the U.S. homeland in September 2001 in which Mossad and America ZioCons played no part…. “ Would have made it stronger.
After reading this article, I first thought either this "hack" is a made up lie, the head of the CIA is nothing more than a puppet, like the president, or both. We know the CIA controls the global illegal drug supply. Afghanistan is alone proof of that. We know anywhere in the world where a government has been or is trying to be overthrown, the CIA is behind it. CIA creates terrorists and would do nothing, like working with Iran, to destroy them.Except in the case of the taliban, since the taliban were eradicating the CIA's opium crops. The white house and its controllers in Israel want complete control of the middle east, and to get that they have to eliminate Iran. So you have two opposing forces who supposedly play for the same team going at each other. It's a lose-lose situation for the world - CIA tyrrany or Zionist tyrrany.
There is a chance this could just be a psy-op to increase a favorable public opinion of the CIA, but I doubt it.
you know, the interesting thing about all assertions of the proposed one world thingy is everyone always supposes all is right in that world. so while you like at it from an aggregate view of us vs. them as some united front on either side, them is just as divided as us. the difference is they matter and you don't.
this is beginning to look like to me as a clash of the .1%ers. there are competing visions for the future of the world and the world is taking sides. if you think the .1%ers don't riot against the status quo when they get upset then you would be mistaken. they riot with armies. that means you.
that is why you need to learn to want to kill muslims, russians and chinese for fat mamas and a big mac and america..
Yeah. Though I've always believed that there is some attempt at TPTB working out some way to "share" the globe I figured that in the end there wouldn't be sufficient concessions and that such "hope" for a "new world order" would vanish into a cloud of war (pretty much as history tells us as how we are to work).
Even IF, though highly probable, there's NO "new world order" TPTB will still enjoy cover during the chaos. Can't remember if if was Wolfowitz (is this fucker still alive? if so, why?) that felt that turning the ME into an area of pure chaos was worth the risk. But controlling chaos is a bit tricky...
what i find difficult about the chaos as control strategy is the strong contemporary evidence it only creates ultimately unmanageable chaos. even with the evidence(even if it just looks like it) the mideast policy was modeled on the palestinian chaos model as a test case it was obviously doomed to failure so i never understood why some senior military guys would sign off on it.
I was thinking the same thing. Seems all too plausible. CIA innocent bysttanders trying to do their best for the world, 9/11 the work of Cessna pilots. Right......
so do you think there was a seperate report advising shrub to announce the axis of evil as a reccomended strategy.?
Yes, but not from the CIA. Interestingly enough, considering seniors ties to the CIA, it's suprising shrub wasn't towing the CIA line. I guess there was more money in it for them with the zionists.
It was too heavy.
- Ned
Well, there's the Saudi connection to consider as well. I would tend to believe that this had a little more weight: THE concern is over the loss of the USD as the world's currency- lose this status and it's game-over; it is, IMO, a greater priority than appeasement of the Zionists (though I believe they were able to get something out of all of it [continued US support for trashing the Palestinians; more free money; keep the "we're victims" meme going etc. etc.).
So who benefited? There is tremendous amount of nonsense written about 9/11 and its aftermath! But it is unmistakable that the key oil sector players in US and Gulf became billionaires many times over almost overnight. The state of Texas benefited not only from the exponential rise in the price of oil from $10 to $140, but also from the bloated defense budgets.
Halliburton, Schlumberger, Flour, Brown & Root etc are just a few of these Texan companies that made probably more than several billion dollars from US involvement in Middle East and Afghanistan.
Texans were also disproportionately represented in the Bush White House.
So one can parrot all the nonsense about Israhell and whatever, but just follow the yellow brick road paved with dollar bills and you can clearly see who benefited. Oh, whomever heard of the Koch bros before 2001?
You're right about the oil industry beneficiaries (hi there Dick) but the Israelis were also up to their necks in it, as were numerous dual-citizens like this guy.
oil profiteering by the bush oil family was just as expected as the carlyle group and halliburton made out like bandits but you can't just dismiss israel's role even as their needs did/do suit the needs of their usa allies for two reasons. by taking millions of barrels of oil off the market saudi arabia benefitted as did all the oil and oil related companies as an oil boom ensued. the other reason is the destroyed nations all jumped the petro dollar ship so the zionazi banks had them shot in the water for mutiny.
the most important reason you can't leave israel out is because you have to have a scapegoat in case of disaster, which everyone agrees this policy has been. so israel is the goat. and what a fun goat it is to kick around.
main problem with the world - zionists
the US did not fuck up iran............the US fucked up their future.............
Bush41 owns ME mess - our reward wast 9/11 - USG are total morons
Bottom line is that the USSA can not be trusted. DC only serves "Just Us".
"Crackaz with attitude"
None of that goin' on around here.
Straight outta Sheboygan?
Thanks to the neocons obsession with Iran, we also are forced to suck up to Pakistan, the world's foremost purveyor of state-sponsored terrorism. Pakistan is our only route into Afghanistan. If we had decent relations with Iran, we could enter Afganistan through Iran.
Pakistan not only helped create the Taliban, Pakistan also protected them from US forces during our all-to-brief war on the Taliban. And Pakistan also sheltered bin Laden. Some ally!
Thanks, neocons. Thanks, W. Thanks, Cheney. Your incompetence lives on, a cancer on American foreign policy.
But you still have your plush think-tank jobs and op-ed columns in the Wall Street Urinal.
911 was aided by Pakistan, with US approval. Not surprising that when we're heading down the hole we run into a ton of rabbits... Fucking seems like everyone was in on it. Power. Its evil know no bounds.
Yes, it was the Redublicans screwed it up. It will always suck in the US. No rules for the rulers. Too many W's, too many Clintons. But the sheeple can't wait to pull the lever again. I'll be Hillary winning in a landslide, because they've got those voting machines pretty well perfected now.
It was only a matter of time before the US joined the axis of evil that they themselves invented. No surprise there. Evil is in the DNA of all states.
John Brennan always looks like he just shit his pants.
The conundrum of Iran? The conundrum of Americay, surely?
History will not be kind to the USA and its crazy, greedy empire plans from WWII onwards. History will not understand why the enormous natural wealth and energy of its people, could be so abused in dumbass bullying around the world.
History will not understand how the 'government' and people allowed the Bankers and Corporations to run the show.
History will not understand why the Media just buckled under the merest pressure.
Every single international decision from Washington in the past 60 years has been to bring America's dominance a little closer to collapse.
Fascinating to see that China and Russia just laugh at us now.
You make it sounds like an empire can be "kind." Empires MUST expand, and that expansion must always come at a cost to others- if the price is too high then violence happens.
China. Russia. Doesn't matter, the next #1 empire will also face the same outcome, as do ALL empires:
http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2014/092814_files/TheFateofEmp...
Butt, I thought the CIA was responsible for everything day or night.
Yeah,
I suspect the troops were soured on Iran by all the IED's the Quds force made.
As for the policy-makers...
...well they didn't really need a reason. Iran is just a convenient object to use in justifying whatever policy they want at the moment, being alternately jihadist boogeyman, or misunderstood and reforming earnest regional power. It hardly matters which...because either will be painted at the drop of a hat to justify just about anything.
As for me...I am no fan of Iran because they held my sister captive for a long time, and when she finally got home she was not the same until the end of her days. It's not a mature way to think... but there it is.
I'm assuming that the unfortunate act against your sister happened post US overthrow of Mossadegh? One has to wonder what things would have been like had the CIA not been involved in THAT action!
IRNians held a prayer vigil for USA after 9/11, while the Palis jumped for joy on camera.
IRN reportedly offered to reconcile via a neutral party shortly afterwards; but Bushjie and his Sith Lord turned down the Offer.
Guess the False_Flag Propaganda Villians must remain "Evil" all the time to feed the MIC
Not to mention the Brookings institute's aggressive recommendations to conquer Iran and every country in the way and Israeli and Saudi aggression against Iran.
One might think that the US government is just a weak puppet of Zionist interests.
What do you mean "we", CIA director?
CIA(& FBI) is the deep state
and who runs CIA , Cabals , banksters , capitalists
They can even shoot down their own president if he/she refuses to be their puppet
see what happened to Kennedy who swore to eliminate CIA
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Actually the CIA has screwed the whole world and the rest of the world is now hitting back.
The result will be disastrous to America, CIA, Cabals, petrodollar & to Israel & their euroPeon allies