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"Proxy" War No More: Qatar Threatens Military Intervention In Syria Alongside "Saudi, Turkish Brothers"
Earlier this week, Saudi foreign minister Adel al-Jubeir had the following message for Tehran:
"We wish that Iran would change its policies and stop meddling in the affairs of other countries in the region, in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. We will make sure that we confront Iran's actions and shall use all our political, economic and military powers to defend our territory and people.”
In short, Riyadh and its allies in Doha and the UAE are uneasy about the fact that the P5+1 nuclear deal is set to effectively remove Iran from the pariah state list just as Tehran is expanding its regional influence via its Shiite militias in Iraq, the ground operation in Syria, and through the Houthis in Yemen.
Thanks to the fact that Tehran has more of an arm’s length relationship with the Houthis than it does with Hezbollah and its proxy armies in Iraq, the Saudis have been able to effectively counter anti-Hadi forces in Yemen without risking a direct conflict with Iran, but make no mistake, Sana’a is not the prize here. Yemen is a side show. The real fight is for the political future of Syria and for control of Iraq once the US finally packs up and leaves for good. Iran is winning on both of those fronts.
Over the last several weeks, we and others have suggested that one should not simply expect Washington, Riyadh, Ankara, and Doha to go gently into that good night in Syria after years of providing support for the various Sunni extremist groups fighting to destabilize the regime. There’s just too much at stake.
As noted on Tuesday, Assad's ouster would have removed a key Iranian ally and cut off Tehran from Hezbollah. Not only would that outcome pave the way for deals like the Qatar-Turkey natural gas line, it would also cement Sunni control over the region on the way to dissuading Tehran at a time when the lifting of crippling economic sanctions is set to allow the Iranians to shed the pariah state label and return to the international stage not only in terms of energy exports, but in terms of diplomacy as well. Just about the last thing Riyadh wants to see ahead of Iran's resurgence, is a powergrab on the doorstep of the Arabian peninsula.
Thanks to Washington’s schizophrenic foreign policy, there’s no effective way to counter Iran in Iraq but as Mustafa Alani, the Dubai-based director of National Security and Terrorism Studies at the Gulf Research Center told Bloomberg earlier this week, “The regional powers can give the Russians limited time to see if their intervention can lead to a political settlement -- if not, there is going to be a proxy war.”
That’s not entirely accurate. There’s already a proxy war and the dangerous thing about it is that thanks to the fact that Iran is now overtly orchestrating the ground operation, one side of the “SAA vs. rebels” proxy label has been removed. Now it’s “Iran-Russia vs. rebels” which means we’re just one degree of separation away from a direct confrontation between NATO’s regional allies in Riyadh and Doha and the Russia-Iran “nexus.” Here’s Bloomberg with more on the Saudi’s predicament:
Powerful Saudi clerics are calling for a response to the Russian move, even though the kingdom is already bogged down in another war in Yemen. Analysts say the Saudi government will probably speed up the flow of cash and weapons to its allies in the opposition fighting to topple President Bashar al-Assad, who’s also supported by Saudi Arabia’s main rival, Iran.
While the Saudis may seek to direct their aid to “moderate forces” in Syria, “the definition of this word is subject to much debate,” said Theodore Karasik, a Dubai-based political analyst. Sending arms “is dangerous in the medium term because of how easily weapons can fall into the wrong hands,” he said.
And let’s not kid ourselves, there are no “wrong hands” as far as Riyadh and Doha are concerned. Sure, they’d rather not have ISIS running around inside their borders blowing up mosques but then again, those bombings simply provide more political cover for justifying an air campaign in Syria. Back to Bloomberg:
Extremist groups already hold sway over large parts of the country. The Saudis joined U.S.-led operations against Islamic State last year, and since then jihadist attacks in the kingdom have increased, many of them targeting minority Shiite Muslims in the oil-rich eastern province. Meanwhile, Assad accuses the Saudis and other Gulf states of arming rebel groups with ties to al-Qaeda.
Some Saudi thinkers advocate direct military engagement in Syria, just as the kingdom has done in Yemen. Nawaf Obaid, a visiting fellow at Harvard University’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, is one of them.
“The Saudis are going to be forced to lead a coalition of nations in an air campaign against the remnants of Syrian forces, Hezbollah and Iranian fighters to facilitate the collapse of the Assad regime and assist the entry of rebel forces into Damascus,” Obaid wrote in an opinion piece published by CNN on Oct. 4.
And while some still see that outcome as far fetched not only because the Saudis are stretched thin thanks to falling crude prices and the war in Yemen, but because it would be an extraordinarily dangerous escalation, it looks as though Qatar is leaning in a similar direction. Here’s Sputnik:
Qatar who has been a major sponsor of jihadist groups fighting in Syria for years, now is actively considering a direct military intervention in the country, according to its officials.
Throughout Syria’s bloody civil war, the government of Qatar has been an active supporter of anti-government militants, providing arms and financial backing to so called "rebels." Many of these, like the al-Nusra Front, were directly linked to al-Qaeda. That strategy has, of course, done little to put a dent in terrorist organizations in the region.
But as Russia enters its fourth week of anti-terror airstrikes, Qatar has indicated that it may launch a military campaign of its own.
"Anything that protects the Syrian people and Syria from partition, we will not spare any effort to carry it out with our Saudi and Turkish brothers, no matter what this is," Qatar’s Foreign Minister Khalid al-Attiyah told CNN on Wednesday, when asked if he supported Saudi Arabia’s position of not ruling out a military option.
"If a military intervention will protect the Syrian people from the brutality of the regime, we will do it," he added, according to Qatar’s state news agency QNA.
Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad was fast to warn the Middle Eastern monarchy that such a move would be a disastrous mistake with serious consequences.
"If Qatar carries out its threat to militarily intervene in Syria, then we will consider this a direct aggression," he said, according to al-Mayadeen television. "Our response will be very harsh."
Let's just be clear. If Saudi Arabia and Qatar start bombing Iranian forces from the airspace near Russia's base at Latakia, this will spiral out of control.
Iran simply wouldn't stand for it and if you think for a second that Moscow is going to let Saudi Arabia fly around in Western Syria and bomb the Iranians, you'll be in for a big surprise. Of course the first time a Russian jet shoots down a Saudi warplane over Syria, Washington will have no choice but to go to war.
Finally, we'd be remiss if we didn't point out the absurdity in what's being suggested here. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are essentially saying that they may be willing to go to war with Russia and Iran on behalf of al-Qaeda if it means facilitating Assad's ouster. The Western world's conception of "good guys"/ "bad guys" has officially been turned on its head.
And meanwhile:
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s public approval rating has reached a record 89.9 percent since he ordered his military to begin air strikes in support of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, according to a state-run polling center.
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Bring in on!
Don't forget Turkey is part of NATO -- and if they start shooting at the Russians, and the Russians return fire -- it will give the USSA the excuse it needs to fire off WWIII.
They are attempting to force a Russian "no fly zone" over Syria.
If the Russians are bombing the Saudi/Turkey/US/TBTB proxies, and then the Saudis start bombing the Russian/Iranian/Chinese proxies, how long before they skip the middle man and start shooting at each other in the air.
My bet in this situation is clearly on the Russians -- but having a turkish MiG shotdown via a Russian MiG would make the USSA MIC very very happy.
Well, there goes the neighborhood.
These people (the Qatari bigshots) are completely delusional. Hope they get assfucked bent over a white Toyota pickup.
Can you say Mujahideen?
All of this love for the Syrian people is making me weepy. Who knew the ME was filled with such compassionate peeps.
They get away with it by saying it is against Iran. And Assad has no say about who can help because he is a "dictator" while Qatars and the Saudis are "monarchs".
I hope the American people say no quickly enough to picking a side in this shitstorm.
This bullshit out of the worthless Al Thanis is sorely tempting me to "misplace" some rather incriminating documents.
Don't be suprised if Iran sends a big fat one to your palace back home, then ...
In 2009, Qatar proposed to run a natural gas pipeline through Syria and Turkey to Europe. Instead, Assad forged a pact with Iraq and Iran to run a pipeline eastward, allowing those Shia-dominated countries access to the European natural gas market while denying access to Sunni Saudi Arabia and Qatar. It would seem that Qatar is willing to risk full spectrum war in order to get its pipeline. From a geopolitical and economic perspective, the conflict in Syria is a false civil war, and is the result of larger international players positioning themselves on the geopolitical chessboard in preparation for the opening of the pipeline in 2016. Assad’s pipeline decision, which could solidify the natural gas advantage for the three Shia states, also demonstrates Russia’s ties to Syrian petroleum and the region through Assad. Saudi Arabia and Qatar, as well as al Qaeda and other groups, are attempting to depose Assad and monetize their hoped-for Sunni conquest in Damascus. By doing this, they hope to gain a share of control over any “new” Syrian government, and a share in the pipeline wealth. As always, Cui Bono? (Who Benefits?).
OHHHhhhhh SNAP!!! Now the Qatari military is gettin' involved---all fuckin' nine of 'em!!!
Everybody into the pool!
Doesn’t this sound a little Armageddonish?
And what, no Jews involved?
They have their own segregated pool, where you been? and if they decide to dip a toe, it'll be chicken style
on Uncle Sugar's back ,ala--Thunder Dome's Master Blaster---you get two guesses at who the Master is.
This ought to be funny. Qater, with its population of 2M cowards, seeking to fight. Somebody needs to tell these jackholes that money doesn't buy you class OR bravery. Of course, perhaps they can hire bangladeshi and filipinos to fight their wars since they can't even build anything without bringing in outside help. I'd like to see what they do when the war starts.
Russia will be all too happy to set them back 20 years.
set them back ten years, that would be back to the stone age. As long as the U.S. does not give them weapons, no worries, Russia will give them a quick change of direction.
I cant wait for World Cup 2022 in Qatar.
Played on a sheet of glass.
Why do I always crave tater salad when I see these inbred table cloth wearing fucks?
pods
Crack a history book, and what will you find? Invasions mis-labelled as civil wars!
For eg. there was the 'War of the Roses' in Britain all those years ago. Its my contention THAT was an invasion, but because the invaders won, they said "It was not a war of conquest, just mere infighting, a civil war. Nothing to see here, move along."
And here we are 400+ years later, and the same TRICK still works!
LOL fucking nice one!
Diplomatic yapping, from the regional chihuahua.
>Clock boy is heading over there to make timers
>Clock boy is heading over there to wear timers
I sure hope the PGA golf tours in Qatar and Turkey do not get cancelled.
That would be a REAL SHAME.
NoVa
So compassionate that Qatar and SA are crammed to the gunnells with fellow muslims fleeing Syria...err...wait a sec...
Wish they would just stick to fucking goats and young boys behind the nearest sand dune.
What do you mean a population of 2 million? Its actually only 280,000 Qataris that can put up with living in Qatar - the rest of the 2m people are ex-pat Qataris living elsewhere!
51c in the summer in Qatar is proof enough that strong sunlight will turn your brain into oatmeal (something confirmed by the number of time John McIsane has been reelected in Phoenix).
They don't need people. With their money, they can hire Swiss mercenaries.
I think I move from Europe to China. Live somewhere in a ghost city or so.
"Asshat has to go!"
"He attacks his own people!"
...says the "Syrian observatory of human rights"?
What a joke: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jul/12/syrian-opposition-d...
Just like bellingcat.com run out of some guys London flat. MSM gives it great credibility. lol
can they not just run it through Egypt? or is that was the Revolution and counter-revolution was about?
OK, from Qatar/SA to Egypt, then where? Across the Mediterranean? Over to Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and THEN into Spain?
Did they not lay a pipe in the black sea? If they can lay them there then why not the med. The UK also has pipes in the North Sea.
Laying pipe in might cost more. Besides, they're better suited to laying pipe in a camel's ass.
We will make sure that we confront Iran's actions and shall use all our political, economic and military powers to defend our territory and people.”
Huh?
Strait of Hormuz could get choked up.
Take religion and oil out of this and what's left?
sand?? I'm long the Sand ETF, for full disclosure, so don't be suprised if I talk my book.
But I'm actually hedging by being short of physical sand in lira.
If things keep going the way they are, instead of being long sand, you may want to be long radioactive glass.
A bunch of inbred fucks, that's what's left.
As clear a message that you can get that Qatar, Turkey, and the Saudis are the Puppet Masters behind ISIS. Of course, you aren't going to hear/see that on American MSM.
"Seventy-two terrorist targets have been hit in six Syrian provinces over the past 24 hours, Russia's Defense Ministry reports".
What was it again with that "American MSM"?
You missed one big brown hole, Netanyahu and the zionazi jews who run saud and qatar.
LOL - when did the American people ever have a say? TPTB just have too pull off a stunt as big as 911 and "we the sheeple" are in...,
"...the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
~ Hermann Goring
And who does the sheik send to fight? Why his Malaysian and Pakistani domestic staff/slaves of course..
Also, you accuse the 'pacificts' of being cowards, and then tell the women to socially ostracize them! YES, this KIND OF SHIT really happened!
Happened like that Australia WWII. Go fight and die, or no pussy for you.
Sure they get away with ´saying´ against Iran.
They will not get away with ´doing´ against Iran.
I was thinking the same thing. What compassion and humanitarian concern KAS and Qatar (et al) have for those poor Syrians. Almost makes you think they might open up their countries to the floods of refugees.........Nah! Let's don't get too slap happy.
To celebrate the King's announcement, there will be a festival .... three beheadings [of infidels] .... four stonnings [of girls who dared to drive a car] and food for all spectators --- a dozen spit-roasted camels!
A dozen years ago my stepdaughter was turning nineteen, the same age as a mentally disabled girl in Persia. My daughter is autistic and had much in common with the girl in Persia. There were however many differences, the Persian girl was sold into prostitution because she was a burden to her family. The Mullahs decided she was unchaiste and hanged her from the cable of a crane, so let's not play the morals game eh skippy?
And why are those mullahs in Iran??? Iran could have been a democratic country, a friend of the USA. But the USA destroyed their young democracy!!! This was the most tragic stab in the back in history. The USA always destroys anything good. Like a true Empire of Evil.
But they don't hang anyone in Russia, unlike the USA Russia does not have death penalty. And Russia is just trying to save itself. If Syria falls to radical islam and to Saudi Arabia, it will be a win for NWO and a huge threat to Russia's existence. I don't care so much abut Iran, but I couldn't accept anything bad happening to Russia. It is the last somewhat decent country in the world. All the others are pure hellholes run by NWO. And I say that as a European, who knows both EU countries and Russia. There are more and more Europeans thinking about moving to Russia, because life here (in EU) is becoming unlivable. Not just immigrants. People are debt slaves. All our freedoms are going to hell. I was in Russia and they already have much more freedom than we now have. They may not be so rich, but they are happier. If there is any WWIII - and just because of silly Syria, most Europeans will side with Russia. We are sick of the US government and the fake democracy!
datura
I am glad Putin has provided some counterbalance to our cowboys. But lets not turn him into a saint. There is a reason there is no death penalty in Russia.
1. If they want you dead you won't be seeing the inside of a Russian Kangaroo Court./
2. Give any Russian a choice- the death penalty or a life sentence in a Russian prison; he will choose the death penalty every time.
Read Solzhenitsyn
Russia could have take a similar road as China to modernize in the last 15 years or so. Unfortunately, it fell to massive disabling corruption. However, I think Putin has a good chance of turning it around if he continues to cooperate with China and sees how they enacted their economic reforms. While not perfect, it's alot better then before from waht I read.
Barry blew his chances to help Russia modernize also as Kissinger has repeatedly said; "o'bama blew it." All Putin wants is for Russia to be recognized according to Kissinger. Fighting Russia and China are dismal strategies is what he says.
And another Bush can fix the U.S.A..... just a little more time.....
HEY...Dont confuse America with the Zionists running the place!
RIPS
I think that there is a difference between Russia today and the former USSR. Solzhenitsyn wrote of the misery of life in the USSR labor camps.
http://www.enotes.com/topics/gulag-archipelago-1918-1956
People still don't know who the Soviets and Bolsheviks were! Someone we have been convinved they were RUSSIANS! LOL! There is a surprise in the history books for anyone brave enough to look.
I'll give a hint, though. Trotsky's real name was Bronstein. Kaganovich ordered and instituted the Holodomor. Stalin's (also not Russian) last name was Dzugashvili, which some translate as "Son of Dzu/jew". Now go look up who the early heads of the KGB (and its predecessors) were...
You won't find many Russians, that is for sure! The first law the SOVIETS passed, was to make 'anti-semitism' illegal! Oh vey!
Just how Jews were left in the Soviet Union power structure after 1924-1991?
like the cunts in dc don't do the same and worse. fukn wake up
"It is the last somewhat decent country in the world"
I never thought that I too would come to this feeling regarding today's Russia - but I have. Life is stranger than fiction afterall...
Cuba also is somehow decent, at least until the Castros live. God help them afterwards.
LMAO
Why were they at the gates of Vienna dipshit...
They do have a death penality. You get bumped instread of a fake trial and then bumped
And what the fuck would have happened to her in Saudi Arabia? Beheading or stoning? I am so tired of my government and its apologists claiming it invades and bombs other countries because of the way they treat women. We don't give a shit about human rights. The best places to be a woman in the Arab world were Iraq and Lybia before my government destroyed those countries. The Afgan government is just as bad as the fucking Taliban. And the Saudis are the worst human rights abusers on the planet. But hey, let's keep demonizing the Iranians because "women."
We gotta bring abortion to those poor, repressed women. Planned Parenthood forever. 'N don't forget facebook.
And now we can plainly see why it sucks to be the global hegemon, and why I am ready for someone else to take the role. We become the "heavy" who gets blamed for everything. The Saudis and etc want to kill the Syrians, but until now they're been getting to advocate it under cover of US hegemony. The damned banks and corporate interests are powerful engough that they want to use the US military to murder their way into market share. Now the Saudis cover is blown, and the global corporate blood-sucking vampire interests may soon have to find another host.
Is there an incantation, or maybe a little Holy Water we can fling at their death-obsessed asses to hurry the process along a bit?
"Is there an incantation, or maybe a little Holy Water we can fling at their death-obsessed asses to hurry the process along a bit?"
Yes. Fling poo. It seems to work for chimps.
Heavy water?
Richmond,
The zionists running things early 1900s in Germany left a road map of how to take down a superpower. The future of the USA is that of post ww2 germany if the people dont end this dependence on those that create nothing.
RIPS
Sixty years from now, a hot diplomatic topic will be the possible re-unification of America.
Bad idea.
They pouring bullshit - like little dogs yap. They Yip, but in a fight not seriously. Yapping can life without fear.
Will they show that on FOX?
Qatar, population of 2,195,000, (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/qa.html) of whom 40% are Arabs (10% Iranians - 18% Indian - 18% Paki - Others 14%). So clearly, the 40% Arabs are the effendis, sitting on their arses which the other 60% do the work the Arabs are incapable of. So who are they going to use to fight?????? Delusional!
I bet you any money Putin already has a small army of S-400 systems on the way to Damascus to be "operated" by the Syrian government.
Saudi jets show up, they don't go home.
Then again, with the Turks & NATO -- there will be a need for large numbers of troops. If Iranian troops get bombed then both Iraq and Syria are going to turn into complete war zones as the Middle Eastern cold war will explode in all directions.
That refugee figure will go cataclysmic as well.
This is just nuts.
Maybe the refugee issue will be the trigger at last for Merkel to get off her vast derrière, and on behalf of (continental) Europe calm things down a bit. Obamarsehole is clearly incapable of doing this.
the refugee issue
AKA....the terrorists.
They would be better depoyed at Persian Gulf International Airport than Bassel Al-Assad International Airport, given its poximity....
And why do you think Putin would supply the S-400 system now? Putin has refused to abide by the 2007 contract to sell the S-300 system to Syria and to Iran. These were not to be gifts but were to be paid for. In violation of international law Putin has refused to abide by the fully signed contract.
Providing that system would have allowed Syria to keep the foreign air craft from bombing them. It would have allowed the Syrian army to match and possibly overpower the insurgents and kept much of Syria from being destroyed.
But Putin follows a set Russian tactic. Russia coordinates with the west and helps to disarm an allie (such as Syria's chemical weapons/Iraq/Libya) and then does not provide protection in return.
It could have been that simple 3 yrs ago. Provide the S-300 and allow Syria to control it's air space. It could be done now, very simply. Provide the system to Syria, Syria declares a no fly zone for all but Russia (which is allowed by international law) and not only is Syria free from the foreign bombers but has some independence/strength. But that is not Putin's goal it seems. We do not know Russia's goal but know they waited until Syria had exhausted much of it's resources - financial and men - and much of Syria was destroyed and weakened before Putin acted. Putin watched the carnage until Syria was about to fall, less independent and easy to make a proxy of his own. Russia voted FOR the no fly zone for NATO in Libya. Yet does not provide or allow Syria to create a no fly zone in Syria. Just as Putin wanted Crimea and uses the EUke's as they fight to survive, he wants west Syria in some way to be aligned with Russia.
Syria has been a complete war zone. Same for Iraq. When Iran stages covert bombing of oil/nat gas infrastructure of Qatar and SA then the war is expanding. Otherwise all the pain is on one side and it will not stop.
I don't see any foreign aircraft bombing Syrian ground forces. Do you?
You know jack shit about air defense systems currently present in Syria...and even less about geopolitics.
Foreign aircraft have bombed Syrian ground forces. Have bombed military outposts and have bombed just outside the capital.
Article from Press TV on 18/08/2015
You were saying?
The claims that Russia was NOW going to live up to the contract, that the missiles were in shipment, were secretly there, that the only hold up was training was, was was - have been going on for a long time. Going to, going to, going to.
Russia has even used the contract as a threat to the west. Putin threatens to follow through - then he never has.
There was a strong PR push restarted 6 months ago that they were on the way. It Never Happened.
The missiles STILL have not been delivered. None.
I would expect Russia put some such missiles close to their new air base and to naval port in Syria. All under Russian control, for Russia's protection and of no use to Syria.
Of course it is easy to make such claims about Iran, there is no need for them to be used there. Where are the claims that Syria has them? Why would Syria not have used them to protect themselves?
A couple months the Putin fans were posting on here that they would be Iran in a couple weeks. Still not there. So when? When? When? And why not already?
It looks to me as if the refugee inundation of former sovereign and independent nations under the NWO EU is the main plan of all the warring and terror in the ME. Destruction of white European culture being the intended result.
-Captain Obvious
If Qatar and Saudi Arabia get into a shooting war with Russia, then they are the stupidest people on the planet. Neither would be exporting oil within a week of that happening. Do they really think Russian wouldn't bomb the shit out of their oil fields, refineries, and export facilities? After the money is shut off, these oil producing countries won't be able to fight anyone, nevermind keep bribing their populations so they don't rebel.
And NATO won't do shit about it aeither. Europe isn't going to fight on behalf of ISIS or al-Qaeda. They will be too busy trying to buy Russian oil so they can keep up their standard of living. And this country won't do shit once Saudi Arabia no longer has the ability to export oil. Destroy their ability to export oil, and the place ain't worth defending. These oil exporting countries all have very soft under bellies that any half bright military commander would exploit. Calling them paper tigers is an insult to paper.
Where is the outrage against Qatar and SA deciding to topple the head of a sovereign nation? Why is it OK for them to decide this and not for Syria to decide to topple one of them?
Can someone tell me what dastardly evil would overcome the world IF Iran controlled Iraq and Syria remained under the leadership of Assad? I mean other than Qatar not getting their precious gas pipeline?
Now that Qatar and SA are supporting Al Queida, does the NDAA come info effect? Why not? Also, why isn't the Pentagon, congress and the President charged with the crime of supporting terrorists under the same act?
The real goal is "no peace in the middle east". All the reasons given, including the Qatari pipeline, are just excuses to keep the bloodbath on. There are other ways to get Qatari gas anywhere they want.
'The real goal is "no peace in the middle east"."
NuttyYahoo now claims the Jerusalem grand Muffti gave Hitler the idea of killing the Jews. I guess Mein Kampf wasn't required reading; assuming he can read, of course.
There's no profit in peace.
What about the Armenian Christian genocide at the hand of Donmeh crypto-Jew Young Turks, and the Christian Slavic Peasant Holodomor genocide by (primarily Jewish) Bolsheviks?
Those genocides don't count?
At this point, either Assad gets control of Syria back, or the country remains too unstabilized to build a pipeline through. If Quatar still wants a pipeline through Syria, they're pissing up a rope.
If Iraq and Syria stabilize, the zio plan for Greater Israel is dead in the water. I'm not sure whether that or the pipeline is the most important mover here. I would guess the pipe is secondary.
I read some time back about the possibility of the pipe running SA-Jordan-Israel-Cyprus. But that wouldn't help the greater israel cause. If the pipe goes through Syria, then everyone is happy.
With US politics, these labels liberal, conservative, no longer with meaning more than flat numbers in apartment building. Became nebulous terms of indistinction, definitions merged to "war boner, chub unstuck".
Qatar wants to get in a war with Russia? I bet about 20 NovoRussian farmer led by Givi and the Chechen leader who offered Putin any help any time would send 20 or 1,000 fighters.
They could take over Qatar in a few days. F Qatar!
Freddie
Like Trump said, while Americans were fighting to get Kuwait back from Saddam, the Kuwaiti leaders and their families were partying it up in Paris.
I wonder why American blood is so expendable. I would rather have my child alive than a folded flag from a foreign war that we have zero national interest in.
Use the money wasted on foreign wars and offset it against the price of gas, and Americans would drive for free.
When they come for my son to be taken to fight in that bullshit never ending war, the fight will begin and end at my driveway. We will die on our land fighting our own government who has no business whatsoever giving my son's life away in order to protect Saudi Arabia, oil pipelines, Israel, or any other made up reason for WW3. It will happen here, not there.
+1,000
I too will die on my driveway before by son goes off to some mideast hellhole to enrich the banksters and Zionists.
Molon Labe, bitchez
Not worth anyone dying. Buy land in a foreign country not under US jurisdiction and flee until constitutional leaders take over. If there is an organized revolution be part of it but you can't fight the law alone.
Daughters will be eligible soon enough for the draft. Equality opportunity for all of the sons and daughters of empire to die on foreign soil to enrich those that hate us.
If you wait for them to come for you, it will end in your driveway.
The first rule of defence is to attack.
"Neoliberal" is a perversion of the commonly understood "liberal" label. Note the definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
It has nothing to do with "liberalism" as normally understood . . . unless you consider Ronnie Reagan, Maggie Thatcher and probably Ayan Rand liberals.
"....there goes the neighborhood..." - and Europe is going to serve as dump for the MENA trash as usual...
The neighbourhood went to the dogs in 1948.
If the U.S. MIC could do something it would have by now. Threy are powerless or fear entagling themselves with Russian and China.
http://thesaker.is/scotts-collection-of-russian-humor-hilarious-must-read/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWjbzp9HlfY
WW III
Starting in the Middle East predicted forever.
Leading to endless f f attacks the disrupt food shipping and kill billions
Fully controlled. Pollsters
I am sure the US is very eager to get into an all out war with a nuclear superpower over Ankara. If push comes to shove all DC will do is to issue a very strong worded statement over the whole incident. The most likely scenario is to prove that NATO is dead and has been so for quite some time.
The US would find itself in a tough position.
If it gets involved, its WWIII -- if it fails to get involved, then all the NATO members sharing a border with Russia will start to get very very very nervous -- to the point of changing sides.
If Ankara & Moscow start shooting at one another, and the US does jack shit about it -- thats the end of Superpower status for us.
I think we would get involved. The US never sees an armed conflict that it doesn't like.
Hope not, WWIII would probably mean the end of life as we know it and usher in a Fallout style future. US needs to remember the Cold War is over, the USSR is dead and Russia could be a great ally if Washington stopped blody provoking it. NATO members near the Great Bear should look to Ukraine and be wary but also remember that they have been fairly warned if they stray too far over to one side.
Why can't our politicians put on their tiny little thinking caps for a moment and think about being Russia. If Canada and Mexico were being militarized by Russia, the U.S. would not sit back and do nothing. There is a long history of Europeans crossing into Russia with murder and plunder as their objective.
Our MIC should be thinking where they are going to hide when the American people finally decide to hang our internal traitors. Not everyone is a Walmart shopper, and there are plenty of disgruntled soldiers knowing their brothers have died for a religion that thinks they are dogshit. Notwithstanding the hollow words of "thank you for your service".
You are making one big mistake. You are assuming US foreign policy is related to US national security. It is for the benefit of the MIC and the Zionists who have bought the US government (Netanyahu to extremist settlers - you don't have to worry about the US, it can be moved anytime we want - or words to that effect).
That's what he meant by "knowing their brothers have died for a religion that thinks they are dogshit".
Russia won't be a great ally for quite some time after the shit we've pulled.
I would expect just the opposite from the other NATO countries.
"then all the NATO members sharing a border with Russia will start to get very very very nervous -- to the point of changing sides. "
Turkey has not been a good obedient NATO memeber. Turkey has also questioned the global reserve status of the dollar.
The US would love for Turkey and Russia to take turns shooting down the others planes along the border. Great PR against Russia, weakens Turkey and maybe sets up a Massad/CIA takeover of Turkey in the future.
Those other countries close to Russia will ask for more NATO bases, missiles and troops in their country. And will be more obedient to TPTB.
Russia is not going to invade Turkey. I could almost see Massad somehow getting control of an anti air system in Turkey and shooting down a Russian jet well within Syria in the hopes Russia would begin hitting military sites within Turkey.
NATO is a defensive alliance (in theory) : only if Turkey is attacked must the other help her. And even then, given that Greece and Turkey are both in NATO and there have been numerous "incidents" over the years, there is no need to go directly to all out war...
Very accurate. I stand corrected.
No such thing my friend.
I never could understand how WWI got rolling, just seemed so stupid.
I'm begining to fully understand now.
in the same way that the Russian Tsar thought he would get a "short, victorious war" and got the Russo-Japanese_War of 1904-5 instead
it starts with believing what the own clowns with stars prognosticate about the situation and goes on with believing "evidence" of great evil, and of course all sprinkled with a healthy dosis of "we good guys, them bad guys"
Don't forget to add in religion...ya know..."we're exceptional"..."God is on our side"..."It's our duty to spread what God has given us"..
Bush on the Terrorists and their religion:
"I think they pray to a false God, otherwise they wouldn't be killing innocent lifes, like they have been" G.W.Bush
So killing innocents is proof of worshipping a false God...whoa! Slap me in the ass and call me Sally, did Bush just inadvertently declare all Gods to be false?
Bush said God talks to him.
That counts for something, right?
Japan was well funded by the Rothschild banking interests and encouraged in their war with Tsarist Russia.
Why is left as an exercise for the reader. (Lengthy hint - the Khazarians are like the mafia and never forget the slight that the Russians never allowed them to take hold in Russia - hence the banker support to install the Jewish-Bolshevik friendly Soviet Union and execute the entire Romanov family)
It is all in the stupid.
With greed, stupid is mandatory.
It didn't seem stupid Winston, it was stupid.
And what's going on today is both stupid and disgusting. Plus, we have nuclear weapons to contend with. This is even dumber.
"NATO is a defensive alliance (in theory)..."
Except when they unite to destroy Libya who was militarily threatening nobody.
ah, this is something where I can defend NATO: it was OK for everybody, you see? see the United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973
in the Security Council, 10 voted for, nobody against, and 5 abstained. just mentioning this because lately many here are citing "International Law"
what led Brazil, Germany, China, India and Russia to say... nothing? btw, the first resolution was... unanimous. see United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1970
so yes, it was NATO, but not in it's role as defense pact, more in it's role as willing "policeman on behalf of the world's community of sovereigns"
Thanks for the clarification.
So, who would choose to live in Libya post Gadafi as opposed to before?
Technically, maybe not a "war crime," but a crime against humanity, common sense and decency nonetheless.
Ignatius, war as such is always a crime against humanity, common sense and decency, if you ask me
the whole concept of "just war", if taken seriously, hinges on defending against unwarranted aggression (or preventing more terrible situations, which makes it even murkier)
where you see war, you see at least one criminal in action, more often then not plenty of them
but again, the situation there regarding UN-SC res. 1970 and 1973 and NATO was post-Gaddafi. the local civil war was already ongoing
Really?? You can defend NATO???
NATO went beyond the UN authorization and directly attacked Libyan forces from the air, being a de facto Airforce for the rebellion..... Whole lot of rebels were not even from Libya but mercenaries from Africa.
..and under what authority did NATO attack Serbia?
There was no UN authorization.
read 1973, and you'll find this passage: "to use all means necessary short of foreign occupation to protect civilians ". neat wording, eh?
I presume you mean there was also no authorization for the bombing of the Chinese embassy? well, no, as well as for the whole operation... in the beginning
technically, it was not against Serbia, btw. then, it was still all called Yugoslavia. and, if I might remember the audience that is old enough to remember, the accusations were of ethnic cleansing
well, why don't you tell the story? I've met a few Serbs here in this blog. in the Serbian case I have only one very flimsy and yet firm defense: it sounded terribly believable, mostly because of propaganda on several sides highlighting the "in-humanity" of the other side
in short, it was more believable then that ethnic cleansing on mass-scale had to be prevented then later when Bush II pulled the "he has WMDs" card
So much for "short of foreign occupation" in the case of the Balkins.
NATO/UN most def occupied.
Your cherry picking bullshit gets tired.
Yeah, they abused that neat wording in case of Libya, but your post makes it sound like that applies to Yugoslavia as well.
There was no UN authorization for bombing Yugoslavia. NONE!
corsair, I'll spell it out for you. no, there was no authorization by the UN for bombing Yugoslavia
and frankly this eurozoner at that time - yes, me - found that it was not necessary. that's how clear cut the whole affair it looked, then
you know who I blame most? the then Yugoslavian propagandists, and the way they were talking about the other sides in that conflict
they made the case for a warning of impending genocide very, very believable
and if we want to be even more frank, I was a bit later in Belgrade and met nobody that was in any way talking in a way that would have dispelled that notion
the full truth: the bitching between France and Germany regarding their old allegiances to the previous Balkan States was not making it easier to understand what was going on
Thanks for spelling it out because your previous post was a bit confusing (with Chinese embassy and all).
Now about Yugoslavian propagandists, were you actually able to observe Yugoslavian propaganda or were you fed a selected image of it by your own propagandists? Because as I remember it, the Yugoslav authorities were very persistent in differentiating between Albanian population and terrorists (KLA).
Finally, being in Belgrade after the bombing is hardly conclusive. It is not surprising that many people would feel resentment after everything that happened.
corsair, you really have to give me one of those days your version of what happened. where you around, then, btw?
note that I'm not talking about the resentment. I am talking how people in Belgrad were talking about the situation and what they expected their government to do about it
That's some revisionist history. The UN voted for a no-fly zone to prevent the Libyan Air Force from being used against civilians. Both Russia and China were lied to about the scope of the mission, and both have said they will veto allowing no fly zones to be created in other countries.
NATO wasn't authorized by the UN to drop a single bomb in Libya.
that's not history, that's the way I remember things
"and if they start shooting at the Russians"
ROTFLMFAO!
1. The people promising to fight will never actually get close to the action...they will send 'others' to die for their words.
2. "Others" like to talk big, but when faced with death, they drop whatever they're carrying and make good use of those USA standard Muslim issue basketball shoes.
Russia just needs to keep upping the bet and calling everyones' bluff...Putin has a Royal in Spades...play them to the end Vlad!
>>>Putin is supplying aid to the Syrian GOVERNMENT to fight TERRORISTS...the same "TERRORISTS" the USA/NATO claims are a threat to the "Western World". Totally fucked themselves with that narrative...
No it will not.
The alliance is only obligated to defend their partners in case of unprovoked attack.
If Turkey starts the war then they are on their own.
If Saudi Arabia or Qatar thinks that the US is going tonwar with Russia because Saudi Arabia and/or Qatar moved directly against the Russians they are delusional.
Russia could end those 2 miserable régimes in a day.
All they have to do is hit their political and military centers with cruize missiles and let the populations do the rest.
Qatar would NEVER speak of war with Russia without KNOWING the USA/NATO is backing them.
I would be willing to bet Qatar made this statement at the behest of USA/NATO.
USA/NATO is at a loss to deal with the Russian intervention. No matter what USA/NATO do/say they cannot force a "voluntary" Russian exit. Using proxies to threaten Russia seams to be the plan of the minute and I hope Putin is just laughing at the thought of being "attacked" by Qatar.
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USA fucked up the "Regime change" in Syria with the Assad "gas attacks"...LOL...pathetic. What the USA should have done was "provided evidence" that Assad was training Terrorists and stocking weapons of mass destruction...then the "world" would have backed us nuking the place which would have left a nice level area to build the Arab pipeline they all so desperately want.
Here's a question for Inquiring Minds.
What would happen if Shia Iraq invaded the province of Kuwait again ? Now that would be a chess move that Iran and Russia could instigate without getting their fingers dirty.
And it would be our newly created democratic nation of (southern) Iraq taking back land stolen from them by the British.
The Middle East is a clusterfuck of unending proportions.
Can't think of a better time to do it.
I doubt it....most likely a last bluff before the WEST folds completely
True and then NATO will be wiped out in short order, since it's nothing but a paper tiger, that looks great on parade, sitting in committes and invading 3rd world nations.....
Italy, France and Spain will instantly secede from NATO and the EU, along with all the eastern bloc except the war mongering Poles
And then the embarassment will be complete on the world stage since it'll be the brits and USSA along with a bunch of cannibal SUnni extremist nations fighting Russia, China, Iran, SYria, Lebannon as well as mas civil war inside Saudia ariabia and Qatar....
Good luck
And the USSA will lose dismally ...
Oh no, the sheikh's are coming in their La Ferrari's!
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