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Putin Just Warned Global War Is Increasingly More Likely: Here's Why

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Vladimir Putin is basking in Russia’s triumphant return to the world stage. 

What began with a land grab in Crimea and escalated with support for the separatists at Donetsk, culminated in Moscow’s dramatic entry into Syria’s protracted civil war.

To be sure, the deplorable (not to mention comically absurd) strategy adopted by the US and its regional allies in Syria set Putin up for success. The situation was highly exploitable by anyone that’s strategically minded and thanks to the convoluted set of alliances Washington has built with groups that later turned out to be extremists, Moscow gets to achieve its regional ambitions while simultaneously fighting terrorism. Meanwhile, Washington, Riyadh, Ankara, and Doha are left to look on helplessly as their Sunni extremist proxy armies are devastated by the Russian air force. The Kremlin knows there’s little chance that the West and its allies will step in to directly support the rebels - the optics around that would quickly turn into a PR nightmare. 

All of this has provided the perfect backdrop for Putin to begin what’s amounted to a lecture tour on how to conduct foreign policy.

Soundbites have ranged from very serious commentary on why the West should not employ extremists to bring about regime change to comical jabs at the US and its allies who the Russian President last week accused of having “oatmeal brains” when it comes to Mid-East policy. 

Speaking today at the International Valdai Discussion Club's 12th annual meeting in Sochi, Putin delivered a sweeping critique of military strategy and foreign policy touching on everything from the erroneous labeling of some extremists as “moderates” to the futility of nuclear war. 

“Why play with words dividing terrorists into moderate and not moderate. What's the difference?,” Putin asked, adding that “success in fighting terrorists cannot be reached if using some of them as a battering ram to overthrow disliked regimes [because] it's just an illusion that they can be dealt with [later], removed from power and somehow negotiated with.” 

"I'd like to stress once again that [Russia's operation in Syria] is completely legitimate, and its only aim is to aid in establishing peace," Putin said of Moscow’s Mid-East strategy. And while he’s probably telling the truth there, it’s only by default. That is, peace in Syria likely means the restoration of Assad (it's difficult to imagine how else the country can be stabilized in the short-term), and because that aligns with Russia’s interests, The Kremlin is seeking to promote peace - it’s more a tautology than it is a comment on Putin’s desire for goodwill towards men. 

And then there’s Iran and its nascent nuclear program. Putin accused the US of illegitimately seeking to play nuclear police officer, a point on which he is unquestionably correct: The "hypothetical nuclear threat from Iran is a myth. The US was just trying to destroy the strategical balance, [and] not to just dominate, but be able to dictate its will to everyone – not only geopolitical opponents, but also allies."

Speaking of nukes, Putin also warned that some nuclear powers seem to believe that there’s a way to take the “mutually” out of “mutually assured destruction.”

That is, Putin warned against the dangers of thinking it’s possible to “win” a nuclear war. Commenting on US anti-missile shields in Europe and on the idea of MAD, Putin said the following:

"We had the right to expect that work on development of US missile defense system would stop. But nothing like it happened, and it continues. This is a very dangerous scenario, harmful for all, including the United States itself.  The deterrent of nuclear weapons has started to lose its value, and some have even got the illusion that a real victory of one of the sides can be achieved in a global conflict, without irreversible consequences for the winner itself – if there is a winner at all.”

In short, Putin is suggesting that the world may have gone crazy. The implication is that the US believes it not only has the capacity to win a war against the nations Washington habitually places on its various lists of "bad guys" (i.e. Russia, Iran, and China), but that Washington believes America can win without incurring consequences that are commensurate with the damage the US inflicts on its enemies. That, Putin believes, is a dangerous miscalculation and one that could end up endangering US citizens. 

So once again, this is Putin setting the narrative and jumping at every opportunity to portray Russia as a nation that's not content to "lead from behind" (as so many have recently accused the US of doing). And once again, his assessment seems remarkably sober in a world that does indeed seem to have lost its collective mind. 

Full speech (translated) below.

 

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Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:34 | 6700225 Mr Poopra
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Unless everyone on Earth together refuses to fight.  Wouldn't that be a sight?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:41 | 6700264 fudge
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that's the funniest i read all day, but, since when will we be given choice ?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:44 | 6700279 Mr Poopra
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Never.  Only free men have a choice.

Slaves are given orders.

 

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 00:57 | 6701643 jeff montanye
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and women (choice).

onward, poopra!

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 04:05 | 6701785 KungFuMaster
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But we are no slaves, do not kid your selve. We are cattle. May be they will put as in some safe place or may be just leave as to die.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:57 | 6700337 Jethro
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Nah...won't ever happen. Nice thought though. Even if it just comes down to the last two dudes on earth.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:28 | 6700445 wizteknet
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last eve

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:21 | 6700700 Pure Evil
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Would the last two dudes on Earth happen to be Obama and Reggie?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 22:55 | 6701398 delacroix
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there goes the repopulation plan

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 00:58 | 6701646 jeff montanye
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in some ways isn't it better?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:08 | 6700379 silverer
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It's possible.  Chin up, we already are getting to the point where everyone refuses to work.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:33 | 6700220 Sturm und Drang
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Open season, no bag limit, any means.

 

There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter. - Ernest Hemingway

 

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:46 | 6700294 BarkingCat
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Turns you from hunted into hunter, go and hunt somebody down.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2R2KXNQR1M

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:29 | 6700198 turtle
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"Landgrab", "separatists", "dramatic entry"... I take it the writer is NOT a Putin fan.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:45 | 6700287 OzFan
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Nice pick-up.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:00 | 6700348 Baby Bladeface
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Argumentation is no better than on many other sites. Each group manages their own lies in order to keep their beliefs system up.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:25 | 6700456 Exalt
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True story.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:46 | 6700290 Normalcy Bias
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Agreed. Spending the remainder of one's life in some underground bunker sounds miserable and pointless.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:57 | 6700331 knukles
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Oh come on!  You could spend eternity with Nancy Pelosi.  Alone.  In close confines.  About 4' by 8'.  One mattress, a Coleman stove, a tap in the wall and thou.
The veritable joys of Trans-Humanism
Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:06 | 6700376 silverer
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So far, you haven't scared me.  Now you're scaring me.  Happy Halloween, I guess.  lol

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:09 | 6700384 trulz4lulz
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In a scenario as such, i hear that drowning is a pretty peacful way to pass. much less violent than most outcomes. there is only so much food to go around. Personally, I would rather die outside. I dont care if its raining, shining, light or dar; if I have a choice, tats where I would be.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:35 | 6700212 Disc Jockey
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Who the hell would want to survive a nuclear war anyway? I won't be looking for a fallout shelter. I'll either be relocated to the boonies and out of the radiation zone or I hope the initial blast takes me out.

Steely Dan -King of the World:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CkFW9ScCCr0

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:52 | 6700321 Normalcy Bias
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If the US and Russia go at each other with nukes (it's unlikely they'd be the only players), there won't be anywhere to hide above ground from the radiation and effects of nuclear winter.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:18 | 6700426 Motasaurus
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Well, not in the Northern Hemisphere. I plan on surviving without much of a break in my standard of living here in the South. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:38 | 6700513 WernerHeisenberg
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Really?  RSA will fall apart.  AUS/NZ are five-eyes targets.  Chile and Argentina will miss most of the immediate fallout, but expect a few years with no harvest during nuclear winter.  The southern hemisphere portion of Brazil might do ok, but I wouldn't say there would be no change in standard of living.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 23:44 | 6701518 Flagit
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I'm sure the nuclear reactors located world-wide would only meltdown for a few hours, then just stop.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:57 | 6700578 Tenshin Headache
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Correct. They will become nations of insects and grass.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:01 | 6700355 Jackagain
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I always said, drop the first one right on my house....

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:39 | 6700258 news printer
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You can only

DUCK YOU SUCKER

https://youtu.be/THn36Mwmv7U?t=1m26s

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:44 | 6700281 The man with po...
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There are no fallout shelters in the UK. However when I think of a nuclear exchange, I think about which areas, facilities and settlements that would be nuked should MAD actually happen. I live in Darlington, North-East England and if MAD where to happen then Teesside, a major industrial area, is absolutely toast. Darlington is ten miles west of Teesside. Moving northwards and places like Newcastle and Sunderland are probably getting nuked to as they are cities, but they are at least twenty miles away from where I live.

A place that is definitely a target is Catterick Garrison, about 15 miles South-East of Darlington, it is a large military base and training area. God help my grandma should the worst happen, she lives in Richmond which is at most five miles northwards away from Catterick Garrison and if a MIRV is used then Richmond is toast. Then about twenty miles south of Darlo is RAF Leeming, a military airbase, and undoubtedly another target.

As for Darlington itself well it a town of about 98000 people and it is a rather sleepy tourist town, though not a popular tourist hotspot. I wonder if Darlington would be a target or not. Is it a case of MAD destroy the big cities and key infrastructure areas, or is it MAD every town and city nuked?

The wind usually blows in a from the west, or at least with a positive east vector component. So any immediate fallout, would most likely come from Catterick Garrison. As for North-west England well it is pretty sparsely populated what with the mountainous Lake District and the very hilly Pennines. But a town called Barrow-in-Furness has a major port and that's where most British submarines and ships have been constructed- so that's a target to. So the fallout, if the wind is blowing from the west, will come drifting over the Pennines and eventually over Darlington.

At any rate the UK is doubly fucked when it comes to fallout because the country is so small.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:57 | 6700334 El Vaquero
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I have what is probably a couple thousand nuclear weapons, the Air Force Research Labs and Sandia National Labs within 20 or 25 miles of me.  If it comes down to that, I know what is getting hit.  Kirtland AFB will get glassed.  Fortunately, the Russians don't rely on the 20MT mosters that they used to.  Most of their warheads are now 100kt - 800kt, and I'm out of the blast and likely fallout zones.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:05 | 6700621 fudge
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they now rely on the fallout from many nuclear power plants to finish the job in the US > there no longer is any where to run and hide.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:47 | 6700534 Ignatius
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HH, shelter in place and don't forget your scissors.

Brought to you by the caring folks at Homeland SecurityTM

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:24 | 6700712 Normalcy Bias
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Duct Tape. Don't forget about the Duct Tape and you'll be set! Just don't run with those scissors...

Sat, 10/24/2015 - 00:43 | 6705527 TwelveOhOne
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"Don't run with scissors" was one of the more helpful Microsoft Office "clippy" help texts.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:55 | 6700564 BullyBearish
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It would be interesting to see how fast things settled down in the M.E. if he threatened to nuke one of our "friends" first...

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:03 | 6700608 robertsgt40
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"Land grab in Crimea"? Excuse me? Please start out with some semblance on the facts.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:43 | 6700788 Perimetr
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Nuclear War, Nuclear Winter, and Human Extinction

Federation of American Scientists

https://fas.org/pir-pubs/nuclear-war-nuclear-winter-and-human-extinction/

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 15:37 | 6703704 Personality Disorder
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what about the next 29,000 years, where everything glows at night?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:26 | 6700185 ASACJon
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This should get interesting as Germany (and thus the EU) swings hard towards Russia.  I would guess that political realignment is due in about 24 months.

An existential threat to the usurious/scam artist world order could produce explosive consequences.  Putin evidently believes as much. 

I would hedge accordingly.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:30 | 6700206 knukles
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Have y'all ever tried to tell a Progressive or Neo-Con just how much foreigners hate Americans?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:34 | 6700226 Sturm und Drang
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Pfft. Ya can't get past the self-loathing...

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:27 | 6700725 Pure Evil
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Why would they care about foreigners hating America when they're at the front of the queue of Hate America Firsters.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:32 | 6700751 gezley
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Most "foreigners" are intelligent enough to know the difference between ordinary Americans on the one hand and the Jew and Manifest-Destiny Protestants on the other.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:42 | 6700269 Baa baa
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How do you hedge against a nuke? I, for one, would really like to know.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:03 | 6700364 El Vaquero
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Perhaps somebody believes that we can shoot down Russian ICBMs and SLBMs? 

 

If so, it seems kinda risky to me. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:16 | 6700416 Implied Violins
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Just send up Slim Pickens. He'd know what to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:04 | 6700365 silverer
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If you are already dead, it helps tremendously.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:35 | 6700496 messymerry
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Guns, ground, grub, gold, and water...

;-D       

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:48 | 6700306 agent default
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If Germany tries that the US will trigger DB and their derivatives pile.  VW was just a warning shot.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:27 | 6700187 Two Theives and...
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Wow...it's like he's Ron Paulov now! Taking it to the liars! Not bad for KGB.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:27 | 6700193 SmittyinLA
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epic Obama State Dept fail with Israel consent 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:42 | 6700265 socalbeach
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Found this on farsnews.com, could be BS though.

EXCLUSIVE: Israeli Colonel Leading ISIL Terrorists Captured in Iraq (Oct 22)

"The security and popular forces have held captive an Israeli colonel," a commander of Iraq's popular mobilization forces said on Thursday.

"The Zionist officer is ranked colonel and had participated in the Takfiri ISIL group's terrorist operations," he added.

Noting that he was arrested along with a number of ISIL terrorists, the commander said, "The Israeli colonel's name is Yusi Oulen Shahak and is ranked colonel in Golani Brigade of the Zionist regime's army with the security and military code of Re34356578765az231434."

He said that the relevant bodies are now interrogating the Israeli colonel to understand the reasons behind his fighting alongside the ISIL forces and the presence of other Zionist officers among ISIL terrorists.

The Iraqi security forces said the captured colonel has already made shocking confessions.

Several ISIL militants arrested in the last one year had already confessed that Israeli agents from Mossad and other Israeli espionage and intelligence bodies were present in the first wave of ISIL attacks on Iraq and capture of Mosul in Summer 2014, but no ranking Israeli agent had been arrested.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:49 | 6700312 Rock On Roger
Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:00 | 6700345 Jackagain
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That site has gone nutzo with the alien and shapeshifter stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if the CIA ran the site....they mix a lot of truth with way out there error.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:29 | 6700200 Taint Boil
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Checkmate again? How many times now ...... lost count

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:53 | 6700323 Jethro
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Barry is still wondering why he can't get his checker pieces to the other side to get crowned.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:38 | 6700505 Jorgen
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"Barry is still wondering why he can't get his checker pieces to the other side to get crowned."

I am not a fan of BHO but today, he did the right thing vetoing $300 million lethal aid to Kiev Junta:

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:28 | 6700733 gezley
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Same here. Not by any stretch of the imagination a fan of Obama but I do think he's trying to resist Zion without getting a bullet.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 23:16 | 6701458 August
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As long as we're having the Obama love-fest here, I'll chime in that I'd rather see Obama's "leadership through ignorance and weakness" foreign policy implemented, than any policy likely to be put forward by the Republican alternatives.

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 02:03 | 6701711 El Vaquero
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Obama has bombed how many countries?  (At least 7.)  And what did he do to the big banks when he took office? Let them get TBTFer.  That sounds like a jingoistic foreign policy and faux supply side economics.  The fucker is a neocon in progressive clothing.  He would not have been elected otherwise. 

 

Think about it this way:  If, 15 years ago, I had told you that Trump would have a shot at becoming POTUS, most people probably would have tried to have me committed to the loony bin.  Yet here we are, and that's just the tip of the iceburg.  All of that tinfoil shit isn't looking quite as tinfoil-ey to the masses right now.  From what I've seen, the oligarchs should be figuring out that they ought to be fearing torches and pitchforks if they push too much harder.  If they don't back off, the question of why nobody is doing anything will be forgotten as we wonder why everybody is going overboard. 

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 02:26 | 6701725 Charming Anarchist
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It would make a great Hollywood movie if Putin secretly made an offer that Obama could not refuse.  The 2 could be colluding. 

Putin does not have to respect Obama but he can certainly pretend to do so.  Putin can use Obama's fake persona to his advantage and lead the American people to follow. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:38 | 6700214 Youri Carma
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Paul Craig Roberts: The Wolfowitz Doctrine - Washington Intends Russia’s Demise

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/02/washington-intends-russias-demise-paul-craig-roberts/

Project for a New American Century (PNAC - September 2000) http://cryptome.org/rad.htm

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:43 | 6700278 DrinkTheKoolAid
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Yes, they kept pushing and jabbing Putin and now he has come out swinging. He will take it all the way to WWIII if he has to.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 23:23 | 6701482 August
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If anyone makes a decision to take it to WW3, it will be the USA. 

Russia and its friends have every incentive to play a waiting game... if they are allowed to.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:57 | 6700332 Jackagain
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Russia has always been against the banksters and the NWO psychos....dating back to the Revolutionary War. 

That's the reason they took out the Czars and their families. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 20:10 | 6700896 Volkodav
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Russians did not killl the Tzar and family.

Revolutionaries were not Russian

From 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control

Solzhentitsyn told clearly they were not Russians

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 20:36 | 6701004 Chris Dakota
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They were Jews who came to Russia from New York City.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 23:59 | 6701546 dark pools of soros
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Warburg

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 06:45 | 6701897 Youri Carma
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Who financed Lenin and Trotsky? http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/...

One of the greatest myths of contemporary history is that the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was a popular uprising of the downtrodden masses against the hated ruling class of the Tsars. As we shall see, however, the planning, the leadership and especially the financing came entirely from outside Russia, mostly from financiers in Germany, Britain and the United States. Furthermore we shall see, that the Rothschild Formula played a major role in shaping these events.

 

TROTSKY LEAVES NEW YORK TO COMPLETE THE REVOLUTION http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_02.htm

Most investigation has centered on the verifiable fact that when Trotsky left New York in 1917 for Petrograd, to organize the Bolshevik phase of the revolution, he left with $10,000. In 1919 the U.S. Senate Overman Committee investigated Bolshevik propaganda and German money in the United States and incidentally touched on the source of Trotsky's $10,000. Examination of Colonel Hurban, Washington attaché to the Czech legation, by the Overman Committee yielded the following:

COL. HURBAN: Trotsky, perhaps, took money from Germany, but Trotsky will deny it. Lenin would not deny it. Miliukov proved that he got $10,000 from some Germans while he was in America. Miliukov had the proof, but he denied it. Trotsky did, although Miliukov had the proof.

SENATOR OVERMAN: It was charged that Trotsky got $10,000 here.

COL. HURBAN: I do not remember how much it was, but I know it was a question between him and Miliukov.

SENATOR OVERMAN: Miliukov proved it, did he? 

COL. HURBAN: Yes, sir.

SENATOR OVERMAN: Do you know where he got it from?

COL. HURBAN: I remember it was $10,000; but it is no matter. I will speak about their propaganda. The German Government knew Russia better than anybody, and they knew that with the help of those people they could destroy the Russian army.

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 15:33 | 6703687 HopefulCynical
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Yes, the Bolsheviks were Jewish psychopaths, driven by insatiable powerlust, and drunk on the Talmudic concept of the goyim being here to be their slaves for all eternity.

They were atheists, which means that instead of believing in God, they believed themselves to BE gods - as all pathological personalities do, in some form or fashion.

They still exist today, most notably as the driving force behind the Zionist movement.

They should never be confused with ordinary Jewish people.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:34 | 6700216 George Washington
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Putin's statement about the U.S. thinking it can win a nuclear war is chilling in light of the fact that – as documented in Towards a World War III Scenario,
by Michel Chossudovsky –  the U.S. is so enamored with nuclear weapons
that it has authorized low-level field commanders to use them in the
heat of battle in their sole discretion … without any approval from
civilian leaders.

And given that the head of the U.S. Air Force WANTED a nuclear war with the USSR, and was FURIOUS that Kennedy stopped one:

The military in this country [i.e. USA] and the CIA
thought that we could take, you know, Castro out. During the Cuban
missile crisis, they were prepared to go to a nuclear war to do that.
President Kennedy thought people like Curtis LeMay, who was head of the
Air Force, General Curtis LeMay, was half-mad. He said, "I don’t even
see this man in my—you know, in my sight," because he was pushing for a
nuclear confrontation with the Soviet Union. And even years later,
Curtis LeMay, after years after Kennedy is dead, in an interview that I
quote from in the book, bitterly complains that Kennedy didn’t take this
opportunity to go nuclear over Cuba. So, President Kennedy basically, I
think, saved my life—I was 12 years old at the time—saved a lot of our
lives, because he did stand his ground. He took a hard line against the
national security people and said, "No, we’re going to peacefully
resolve the Cuban missile crisis."

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:39 | 6700244 Mr Poopra
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Fantastic book and a great interview.  Thanks for posting this, GW.

The Dulles brothers are probably the single most important force behind the creation of the Deep State that now threatens our entire existence. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:03 | 6700339 Bay of Pigs
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Yes. And after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961 (my birthday btw), and the subsequent firing of Allen Dulles you can assume that the CIA was instrumental and directly responsible in the assassination of JFK in 1963. The Dulles brothers were two rotten assholes who broght nothing but death and destruction with them wherever they went. A sad chapter in Americas history.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:24 | 6700451 Crocodile
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Man apart from the radical transformation of the heart that alone comes from the hearing and believing of the gospel leaves each individual in their fallen moral/immoral state of being as mans entire history has shown. 

 

The future of the world is bitter sweet in that many will come to saving knowledge and be saved from the penalty of their sin, but 1/2, yes 1/2 of the worlds population is going to die in an upcoming 7 year period.  When is that period?  We do not know; however it is obvious that it is getting closer.  Read what Jesus stated in Matthew 24 and more specifically verses 4-14 AND verses 20-22.  You may not believe Christ is who He claimed to be, but nevertheless He is.  People often hear new information or have a change in circumstance or experiences and embrace something they once rejected before (maybe even thought it foolish) and reject things they once embraced.  I'm only expressing that which I once rejected and now believe with all my heart - sharing.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/matthew/24.html

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:35 | 6700486 Exalt
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Man it creeps me out when I see Christians quoting scripture on a nuclear war thread.

You just know they can't wait for the button to be pressed and to finally finally have their rapture.

Given the amount of Christians in Amercia, I'd say that should be pretty concearning to everyone.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:18 | 6700690 spacemonkey99
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well im sure there are plenty more of so-called rogue islamic fundamentalist leaders interested in ending the world too if we just quit the politically correct bullshit for a nanosecond

perhaps you got that from salon.com how is that clever thing working out for you? 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 23:07 | 6701435 IronForge
Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:11 | 6700652 gezley
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You American Protestants with your exceptionalism and anti-Christian Israel-first stupidity are the cause of half the shit that goes on in the world. I wish you would fucking die.

 

Signed,

 

Devout Catholic.

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 02:37 | 6701735 Charming Anarchist
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You Catholics. 

 

Signed,

Non-devout Catholic. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:37 | 6700509 Baby Bladeface
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"Fuck America!" - © Dulles brothers

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:03 | 6700362 fudge
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I point out once again,,there are in Russia people who believe that the same can be done. there are fools on both sides mr. washington.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:14 | 6700405 PoasterToaster
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...the U.S. is so enamored with nuclear weapons
that it has authorized low-level field commanders to use them in the
heat of battle in their sole discretion … without any approval from
civilian leaders.

Yea, but just the small ones!  lol

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:56 | 6700570 Bastiat
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Yea, just the tip, I promise.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:34 | 6700229 SmittyinLA
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Not wanting to be conscripted into the bankrupt fascist EU Caliph has morphed into "land grab"? 

What about the Ukrainian russian speaking land owners that didn't want to be driven into the EU Caliph at the barrel of a gun? 

I'm glad Putin doesn't believe in that 2 Islam bullshit. 

 

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:43 | 6700245 Demdere
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So ridiculous to think that we can think our way to a win in a war.  My god, my government is peopled with insanly crazy morons on drugs.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/pan-galactic-buggery-game/

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/lebowski-enlightenment-8/

This and many other posts on my blog say that citizens with guns will prevail over government with everything.

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/operation-afghanistan-1000...

We have to get them stopped, people, or it will be civil war. Do think what it means, our government arming itself and trying to prevent the citizens from continuing to do so.

And trying to start the standard external war to distract the pitchforkers and protect itself here at home?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:39 | 6700253 PrimalScream
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I doubt that any Superpower is really considering Global War.  I don't think that it's "winnable" for anyone.  But Global War is certainly "LOSEABLE" for every person on the planet.

One remark might be correct .. it does seem sometimes as if Nuclear Deterrence is starting to get diluted.  If that's true, then the world is walking on a dangerous path.

However, Putin cannot claim any moral high ground.  When his forces invaded the Ukraine, he talked about moving Russian nukes into Crimea.  That is CRAZY talk .... that idea would be a serious escalation.

It's not a game.  We can all lose.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:43 | 6700273 Lost in translation
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Thank you for the puerile analysis, Newsweek Reader.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:16 | 6700419 Baby Bladeface
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Such a funny world.

Russian jet fighters arrive on Latakia, and somehow ten thousands photos and satellite photos on the internet in one days or two.

Since year and one half claims on the Ukraine invasions Russian tanks divisions, artillery, grads, Porosenko claiming four thousands, eight thousands, twenty thousands Russian soldiers. Somehow no pictures tanks, soldiers encampments, logistics support for thousands Russian soldiers.

Russian scientists are good and they somehow invent invisibility for these all?

Funny as a sea elephant.

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 02:40 | 6701737 Charming Anarchist
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Yooo hoo!  Google Earth?  Where ARE you??? 

 

crickets

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:49 | 6700311 Amy G. Dala
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Putin cannot claim any moral high ground?  Well, it appears that along with his moral-high-ground sherpas (Iran, Assad, and so it appears some Cuban fodder), they are planting the flag way up in the thin air.

"Assad must go."  Really?

"Russia's strategy is doomed to fail."  Yup, I can see that . . .

"That would be a red line."  Unless it's really not.

I'm not sure you heard Vlad Putin correctly.  He basically said, we can do as we please without nuclear weaponry.  He said he had no problem bringing a knife to a gun fight, because who on this globe has the guts to use a gun?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:57 | 6700333 jcdenton
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When his forces invaded the Ukraine

 

What, you work for Viki Noodleman?

Grow yourself a brain, or please just shoot yourself in the head. End it all before the real insanity sets in, and someone else has to perform the messy act for ya ..

http://eagleonetowanta.com/?page_id=10

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:24 | 6700447 BarkingCat
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Putin's forces invaded the Ukraine?
Did they then continue and invade the Poland and then the Germany?
Did they conquer the France and the Italy?

You're such a dumb ass. Probably too dumb to figure out what point I was trying to make.

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 04:12 | 6701792 Yogieu
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I'm not a Putin fanboy, but I had to downvote you.

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 04:13 | 6701793 Yogieu
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I'm not a Putin fanboy, but I had to downvote you.

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 04:13 | 6701794 Yogieu
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Sorry for double post. I pressed Save button only once! There is a bug somewhere :)

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:41 | 6700263 Lost in translation
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"Land grab?"

Who writes this sh#t?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:13 | 6700402 socalbeach
Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:42 | 6700268 Joe Tierney
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While Putin masterfully plays his geopolitical cards OhBomba picks the lint outta his b.b. on the golf course.....

 

I feel like we're the Chicago Bears watching a real team, like the G.B. Packers.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:45 | 6700285 Mark Mywords
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If you like your global war, you can keep your global war.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:47 | 6700296 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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but, but, but, what about American exceptionalism?

 

"My brother Billy Bob has the fastest damn boat on the river, you'll see." Live & Let Die

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:41 | 6700525 cheech_wizard
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Do you want fries with that?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:00 | 6700297 Sergeiab
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This is amazing, knowing Obama just vetoed NDAA. And that he has said a few days ago he was skeptical about arming the rebel forces. Is he coming to his senses? Does finally some people realize the level of insanity this all thing has reached. Neocons insanity that would make Kissinger pass for a choir boy disrupted by Obama?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:04 | 6700366 Fukushima Fricassee
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Never ever use the word "Obama" and "amazing at the same time not even in that context. We very well might not survive that cocksuking shit.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:16 | 6700415 Sergeiab
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lol. Fair enough

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:38 | 6700774 Demdere
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NO NO NO NO NO.

Completely wrong focus.  Obama is indeed the worst president ever, but the next one is guaranteed to be even worse.

The system is broken.  The system continues to degrade catastrophically.  Every president until the end of our current failing system, will be worse than the last.

Please keep this in mind, and forget the dumping on Obama.  Let us just accept that he is the very, very worst President, everr.  I will even allow you to assume all of the alleged personal failings, and agree with the 'we will be lucky to survive him'.

Even more important that we ignore the dumb bastard, and focus on the problem.  The problem is behind the scenes guys.  Oligarchs + deep state + police state.

OK?

https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/cats-and-dogs-1/

That doesn't have anything to do with anything, but the comedy is funny, funny and it must mean something, maybe you will know?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:11 | 6700397 El Vaquero
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Somebody probably realized that the sheep were starting to wake up to the fact that we have been arming the same groups in Syria that we have been bombing in Afghanistan. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:37 | 6700510 Exalt
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Don't worry they're still asleep.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:51 | 6700317 yogibear
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When the US economy fails they take us to war.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:39 | 6700511 Exalt
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Guaranteed. War bonds solve all economic problems. Plus you get full employment in the economy and you don't even need to pay retirements for most of em. You can also do pretty much whatever you like and get away with it.

War is politician's wet dream.

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 01:47 | 6701703 bid the soldier...
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Where did you think they were going to take us?  Disneyland?

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:51 | 6700318 steveharless
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worried about WWIII?

Come To Vegas! party likes its 1999!

www.ViewLasVegasRealEstate.com

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:55 | 6700328 smacker
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Putin hit the nail on the head.

There really are people alive today and in powerful positions who believe that a nuclear war is winnable. To them, the days of MAD are history. Somebody needs to get these people out of office and into where they belong: the lunatic asylum.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:01 | 6700354 bid the soldier...
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However, there are not as many today as there were 5 years ago.

So Putin has whittled down that number.  Good on him.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:40 | 6700521 Pareto
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.....And they can appear to themselves.....everyday.....

on closed circuit TV.......

To make sure they're still real......

It's the only connection......they feel. (PF Final Cut)

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:31 | 6700749 headhunt
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...and then there is Iran.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 21:43 | 6701202 Baby Bladeface
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Saudi Arabia a country that is, modeled by the way and operated by the US design, in more wars engaged than Iran (not that much difficult admittedly).

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 17:58 | 6700338 bid the soldier...
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stoopid writer

"What began with a land grab in Crimea ... "

What the idiot means 

"What began with the  "Ne'er do well" Negro's approved coup d'Etat in Kiev ... "

You may resume the sequence of your bullshit from there. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:01 | 6700353 Publicus_Reanimated
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6qbSHKzcmI

Sun Ra Arkestra -- "Nuclear War"

"Whatcha gonna do without yo ass?"

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:03 | 6700360 22winmag
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"What began with a land grab in Crimea"

 

Are you shitting me? More like repossessing a strategic penninsula from a unstable former province that just underwent a CIA-backed coup.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:03 | 6700363 Moccasin
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The Russian land grab of Crimea was fought in a series of wars culminating in a Russian victory in 1783. End of story.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:05 | 6700369 ghostzapper
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No nuke war.  Vlad drops the Strategic Default bomb instead.  

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:11 | 6700398 22winmag
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A man (mankind?) can dream.

 

Sign me up for those gold back Rubles when they appear.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:32 | 6700752 headhunt
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Do the math - the Ruble is no more backed by gold than the dollar

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:08 | 6700380 nzbloke
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Putin should throw his hat in the ring for the US presidency. If he wins, he wouldn't even need to show up at the office, he could just let the banks run the country as they do now, and check in with them once a month for his paycheck. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:08 | 6700381 nzbloke
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Putin should throw his hat in the ring for the US presidency. If he wins, he wouldn't even need to show up at the office, he could just let the banks run the country as they do now, and check in with them once a month for his paycheck. 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:11 | 6700392 Thisisbullishright
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....how about a nice, game, of, chess??

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:16 | 6700417 Duc888
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"What began with a land grab in Crimea...."

 

Yea, he grabbed land that was part of Russia since Catherine the Great.

 

Jeez (rolling eyes).

Washington DC "grabbed" New York yesterday... oh wait, they can't.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:18 | 6700425 jcdenton
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What began with a land grab in Crimea

 

Moron!

The RF have been in the Crimea BY AGREEMENT since '90 ..

https://app.box.com/s/hfgvcqg7gqh7i27at6sv53ywu87lwarp (Morons have to DIG for their answers. Not handed to them on a platter.)

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 20:52 | 6701049 steelrules
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And before that Crimea was Russian territory since the 1770's.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:26 | 6700457 will ling
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just pour it on vlad, and keep tweakin' the nukes , or they'll get you and all russians.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:27 | 6700462 JPMorgan
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Radioactive gold is the future, goldfinger knew it.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:30 | 6700479 V for ...
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Putin knows he is dealing with the batshit crazy New Bolsheviks, the descendants of the original ones who slaughtered tens of million of Russian Christians, and pursue their medieval theory through things like the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, Wolfowitz doctrine, Project for a New American Century...and their latest biggest terror coup: 9/11, the new Pearl Harbor as the Kagan claque foretold it.

Make no mistake: the USA post JFK is captured by the Zionist money power, and its disgusting plots, just as it terrorised Christian Russia, Christian Germany, and China (under the opium wars).

When will the City of London Rothschild fiefdom of Israel allow U.N. inspection of its nuclear facilities which JFK expressly forbid?

Putin and the world tolerated the AshkeNAZI and their batshit crazy medieval thinking, but now we have no choice but to bury them before they bury us.

God bless the USA and Russia, natural allies, and Iran and the Middle East, and the world,  ex-Nuttyyahoo and his filth who rejoiced in the 9/11 attack, saying it would assist Israel's mid-east adventures.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:33 | 6700488 DavitArambol
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"devastated by the Russian air force" = "The Army captures seven villages, six hills[3][4][5] and a tank base south of Aleppo[6]"

Russia Just stepped in into second Afghanistan: 80% of population is against Assad, Syria is predominantly Sunny country fighting against mostly Shia alliance, besides Iraq every other neighbour country is against Assad’s regime. Rebels getting shitloads of weapons from every side. And you want Russia with 2k soldiers and 50 plains to change the situation? How stupid...

Btw. US airforce bombed shit out of IS in northern Syria during Battle of Kobane and helped Kurds to regain most of northern territories, not just 7 villages and six hills

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:42 | 6700524 V for ...
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Liar.

The facts: Assad and his supporters own the most populous places in Syria. Much of the land itself, barren land, is infiltrated with Zionist backed 'rebels', fighting in their sand pits. Soon to be obliterated. Good.

As a Westerner, I am disgusted that any Westerner should seek to meddle in the sovereign affairs of Syria; make 250,000 dead, and make millions of refugees, fleeing that Syrian warzone.

 

The USA refused to hand over jews to Nazis. Now the USA must refuse to hand over innocents to Nazionists. Pitiful, isn't it.

Lord,

Forgive us our sins, I pray.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:49 | 6700550 Baby Bladeface
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In general it is difficult to say what narcotic delirium such stories are born.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 19:03 | 6700606 V for ...
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It is Hasbara.

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 00:43 | 6701616 David Wooten
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"80% of population is against Assad" 

False. 80% hate the US.

"Syria is predominantly Sunny country fighting against mostly Shia alliance"

Assad is an Alawite married to a Sunni.  During the 1st 3 months of the so-called 'uprising' in 2011, 1/3 of those killed were Syrian soldiers - something that does NOT happen in mere 'uprisings'.  The US government has had the goal of toppling Assad at least as far back as 2006, according to leaked documents, and has been using proxies Qatar, Turkey and Saudi Arabia to accomplish it.

"US airforce bombed shit out of IS in northern Syria during Battle of Kobane"

Many Iraqis believe the USG is deliberately assisting ISIS while pretending to oppose it.  They have even produced a video showing US made parachutes attached to supplies near where ISIS can retrieve them.  The USG has, for the past 25 years, been the most deceitful and murderous regime on the planet.

 

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 01:16 | 6701675 Pliskin
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I agree, Syria is a very sunny country, they have some great weather over there.

 

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:35 | 6700498 V for ...
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PS

See the Chinese leader sup with the Queen and her idiot leader Cameron today, all players for the Rothschild City of London to which even the mannequin queen bows.

I have no doubt that the slave state of China will serve the money power, and betray everyone else including Russia, the Middle East, the USA, India, and everywhere else in the world.

Such a pity that the world's oldest continuous civilisation of China which invented paper money and loves gold should turn out to be a pathetic tool of tyrants, and lowly money counterfeiters.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:36 | 6700501 Flying Wombat
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Transcript here:

Putin at Valdai Forum 2015 - World between War and Peace (FULL SPEECH)

TND Event Spotlight: Valdai Forum

The 12th annual Valdai Discussion Club meeting in Sochi, Russia focused on international armed conflicts. A transcript of Putin's speech appears below. Introductory remarks in the following YouTube video are not translated. Putin's full speech has a translation spoken by a woman over the video. The video runs for 32 minutes.

To access, click below:
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=524033

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:39 | 6700518 cheech_wizard
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AGAIN, why are these articles even published?

WFT is this... "What began with a land grab in Crimea" ???

Do I need to post the vote count again?

And Putin is 100% in this statement: The deterrent of nuclear weapons has started to lose its value, and some have even got the illusion that a real victory of one of the sides can be achieved in a global conflict, without irreversible consequences for the winner itself – if there is a winner at all.

Because it is not necessary for an ICBM to turn NYC or Washington D.C. into a smoking radioactive crater, when one can launch a nuclear tipped weapon with a flight time of 5 minutes from a submarine parked a few miles offshore. So if any of you stupid neo-con fuckwads are even contemplating dropping a few nukes, just realize that if you don't kill every last sub, missile silo, and every last alternative delivery platform, you're going to die just like everyone else.

 

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:40 | 6700523 Scooby Dooby Doo
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Lots of the nukes have been sitting around for a long time. Humidity plays havoc on these sensitive but destructive bombs.

It may turn out that many are duds and because of this, it is my professional opinion that we have nothing to worry about.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:50 | 6700552 trulz4lulz
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Because you would never want to do upkeep on a nucleaar ICBM...

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:52 | 6700558 Baby Bladeface
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Shaggy pissed off for his cannabis stash you eating!

Fu, mutt, get in the booth!

Fri, 10/23/2015 - 00:35 | 6701607 David Wooten
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"Humidity plays havoc on these sensitive but destructive bombs."

Nuclear weapons require, and receive, regular maintenance.

Thu, 10/22/2015 - 18:51 | 6700548 Son of Captain Nemo
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Vlad

You might as well light it up now with the "first strike" because the American people gave up a long time ago on themselves and that charter you are leading the rest of the World to! 

Let's face it. 

Those two bombs 70 years ago in Japan were for you... And you've already witnessed first hand what they do to men, women and children based on lies!!

P.S.

I finally get "why" you won't discuss "9/11" in front of an open international forum "ever"...

Because based on what I just said what would be the point?!!!

 

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