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Trump Vs. Jeb
Submitted by Justin Raimondo via Anti-War.com,
You may not like Donald Trump, for any one of a number of reasons, but anti-interventionists have to give him some credit for opening up the presidential debate to a critique of US foreign policy that hasn’t been seen or heard since the Ron Paul campaign. On Syria and on Iraq, he challenges the GOP/neoconservative orthodoxy in a way that Sen. Rand Paul hasn’t been able to do: indeed, one could argue that Trump has stolen Rand’s thunder – such as it is – in sounding the anti-interventionist note. And now Trump is upsetting the conventional GOP wisdom in an even more fundamental sense by challenging the “he kept us safe” theme that Jeb Bush has been pushing on behalf of his brother – you know, that former chief executive who left office with a popularity rating lower than any President in recent memory.
The Jeb-Trump contretemps played out over the weekend’s talk shows, with The Donald telling Fox News:
“Look, Jeb said we were safe with my brother – we were safe. Well, the World Trade Center just fell down. Now, am I trying to blame him? I’m not blaming anybody. But the World Trade Center came down. So when he said, we were safe, that’s not safe. We lost 3,000 people, it was one of the greatest – probably the greatest catastrophe ever in this country if you think about it.”
Ouch!
Jeb came back at him on CNN, the cable station nobody watches, protesting that brother George “united the country,” and going on to aver:
“I don’t know why he keeps bringing this up. It doesn’t show that he’s a serious person as it relates to being commander in chief and being the architect of a foreign policy. Across the spectrum of foreign policy, Mr. Trump talks about things that – as though he’s still on The Apprentice.”
I’m sure Jeb has never seen a single episode of “The Apprentice,” and that’s because he’s a Very Serious Person who is fast becoming the architect of his own defeat. This kind of condescending snootiness is a definite turnoff for voters, many of whom have seen “The Apprentice” and don’t appreciate being talked down to. Because in talking down to Trump, voters feel Jeb is talking down to them. That Jeb and his advisors don’t get this is the chief reason why the Bush campaign is sinking like a stone.
And just how serious is Jeb’s critique of Trump? If you parse it, it makes no sense: what does being commander-in-chief have to do with Trump’s criticism of brother Bush that, after all, the twin towers came down on his watch? What does being “the architect of a foreign policy” have to do with Trump’s assertion that the hijackers wouldn’t have even been allowed into the country if he had been President at the time? And what, exactly, does “across the spectrum of foreign policy” mean, anyway?
While Jeb may believe attacking his brother is a mistake Trump will come to regret – he immediately launched a fundraising drive asking his Twitter followers for $5 to “defend my brother” – the reality is that Trump has hit a nerve. And he dug the stiletto in deeper when he tweeted this New York Times op ed piece pointing out that George W. Bush had plenty of warning before 9/11 that something big was in the works.
This is important for two reasons: 1) It reinforces one of the major themes of the Trump campaign, which is the utter incompetence of our supposedly all-wise rulers, and 2) It upends one of the central myths of the post-9/11 era, which is that they attacked us because we’re so wonderful and free. Trump has another view, which he expressed in his book, The America We Deserve, published over a year before the 9/11 attacks. In that book he wrote:
“I really am convinced we’re in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the Trade Center look like kids playing with firecrackers. No sensible analyst rejects this possibility, and plenty of them, like me, are not wondering if but when it will happen.”
Not only that, but he attached a name to the threat:
“One day we’re told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin-Laden is public enemy number one, and U.S. jetfighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. He escapes back under some rock, and a few news cycles later it’s on to a new enemy and new crisis.”
And Trump makes the same point made by Ron Paul during that now famous moment in the 2008 GOP debate when Paul described the 9/11 attacks as “blowback” from our foreign wars. Writes Trump:
“I may be making waves, but that’s all right. Making waves is usually what you need to do to rock the boat, and our national-security boat definitely needs rocking. Let’s point fingers. The biggest threat to our security is ourselves, because we’ve become arrogant. Dangerously arrogant. It’s time for a realistic view of the world and our place in it. Do we truly understand the threats we face? ,,,
“Whatever their motives – fanaticism, revenge – suffice it to say that plenty of people would stand in line for a crack at a suicide mission within America. In fact the number of potential attackers grows every day. Our various military adventures – some of which are justified, some not – create new legions of people who would like to avenge the deaths of family members or fellow citizens.”
No, Trump isn’t a consistent noninterventionist:
“It is one cost of peacekeeping we should keep in mind. I am not a hard-core isolationist. While I agree that we stick our noses into too many problems not of our making and that we can’t do much about, I strongly disagree with the idea that we can pull up the drawbridge to hide from rogue nations or individual fanatics.”
Trump takes a Rand Paulian, i.e. ambiguous view of when to intervene abroad. But there’s one big difference between The Donald and Rand: Trump is the frontrunner, while Rand is trailing at the back end of the crowd. Yet more evidence that Trump has absorbed the support Sen. Paul hoped to capture.
In any case, what is truly amazing is that Trump is busy demolishing the post-9/11 consensus on foreign policy within the GOP: a central pillar of the elaborate mythology that went into justifying the Iraq war is falling by the wayside, thanks to him. Not only that, but the neoconservative agenda is being met head on by Trump, who disdains US involvement in Syria – a project the liberal Democrats also support, with Hillary Clinton leading the charge.
No, you don’t have to be a Trump supporter – and I am not – to see the benefits of his campaign for the noninterventionist cause. For lo these many years, the Washington Beltway know-it-alls have disdained ordinary Americans for their “isolationism” – why, those trailer-park types in flyover country don’t even have passports! These same mandarins have celebrated their own dominance of the foreign policy discourse, while politicians of both major parties have given us a “choice” between different varieties of globalism: the crazed “unilateralism” of the neoconservatives and the smugly self-righteous “humanitarian interventionism” of the cruise-missile liberals. Now, at last, their monopoly on the discourse has been broken – by a reality show television star and real-estate mogul who speaks plainly and is outpolling everyone!
Trump embodies the American zeitgeist, circa 2015 – its virtues, its vulgarity, its inchoate mixture of common sense and incoherence. He is, in short, a mixed blessing, but one can’t help but cheer when he gives voice to the stubborn unwillingness of the American people to take on the role of the “world’s savior.” As Trump puts it in his book, cited above: “That job is taken.”
To which one can only add: “Amen, brother!”
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Jeb is a douche bag of the highest level
Yeah although Donald should be careful. He keeps baiting the Bush family like this, can you imagine the number of false flags those Bush cunts are gonna try and pull off as soon as Trump takes office?
haha yes Buckaroo, spot on. Benghazi smells like one of those also.
who's this Jeb?
Jeb is the guy who is going to become President if Trump selects him to be his Vice President
I thought the Trump was going to pick Vanna White as his VP, either that or his daughter?
Jeb? Oh, you mean Jeb!? Yeah, that Jeb! As in Jeb?
I might be wrong but wasn't Jeb supposed to be the "smart one" among the Bushes ? So far he proved to be your perfect tone deaf establishment politician, as arrogant as clueless. GW wasn't exactly the brightest bulb in the (White) House either, but at least he made it there... twice. Jeb won't get anywhere close to it, except maybe as Trump's guest...
Why even write this article? Its like the author is trying to keep Jeb relavant when he's not.
Benghazi is a tragic distraction from the rape and destruction of the prosperous, stable and sovereign country of Libya.
Don't ya just hate people who keep bringing up that Eye-Rack War thingy.
If he's serious about being President and making changes then he should know that the best defense is a good offense and come out swinging. 9/11-anthrax was a false flag, strategy of tension event serving the global hegemony agenda.
The first speaker in the first video is Swiss historian, Dr. Daniele Ganser who wrote the breakthrough book NATO's Secret Armies and as is quoted in this presentation saying, "The value of The 9/11 Commission Report is zero. You can't use it." https://rethinkseptember11.wordpress.com/past-broadcasts/
Behind every "terror" attack lie puppets with Globalist hands up their asses...
It does no good for him to make those sorts of allegations "swinging" ...if it prevents Trump from being elected in the first place (it is all about him after all.. and it would be over the objections and dirty tricks of TPTB).
Gruber was correct.
For the 20% of the population that actually hava an IQ that should in a "just" world be high enough to disqualify them from the straight-to-solyent-green line at the FEMA camp - Be oblique. Make the people think and discover things themselves. Say TPTB's story doesn't add up and they have some splainin' to do...
Jeb is as exciting as a bowl of cold oatmeal and is totally inside the beltway in his thinking. Trump is a different animal, but he's playing his own game and he couldn't be any worse than the present butt nugget in the office and might be quite a bit better. It's a long way to election day and we're still in act one.......
I love the way Jeb married into one of Columbia's biggest dope-dealing families. And isn't one of his daughters a hopeless coke addict?
I feel bad for the daughter, with parents like that she didn't stand a chance. Jeb Bush is the worst kind of sick evil clown.
Interesting saying about the Bush family in Texas:
They're born with silver spoons up their noses.
If choice of women is any indicator, I'll have to go with The Donald:
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/472019514_master.jpg?...
We can all be proud American [men] to have her as our First Lady!
Wow, Mr. Banzai:
Mr. Bush himself may have his hands deep in the muck and mire.
I did a quick text search; and came up with these... Reader beware
The first two sites tend to do their homework well.
http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-jeb-bush-linked-to-cartel-money-launde...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/jeb-bush-the-mexican-drug-cartel-and-free-t...
http://www.independenceday.pro/?p=11471
when Trump focuses on the mortgage interest deduction, and Carson focuses on healthcare, something they know something about...
Fashionable Communism
In the US alone, NPV generational debt placed off-book by government for decades exceeds $250T, retirement continues to accelerate at $40k/yr/cap, of which $30k keeps healthcare make-work going, which is the largest cost. This accumulation of debt is driven by communists who can only exist by controlling breeding patterns. As usual, the majority doesn't wake up until its generational thievery bites it in the ass, when it's far too late.
The latest plan came out of research done in the concentration camps during WWII, which was the solution to the last 'financially engineered' demographic bubble. The US simply bombed everyone else's factories to become the 'cleanest among dirty shirts.' Reversion is just a perception away, and the majority is waking up to a hangover, just in time for WWIII to begin.
You only need one false assumption to win a war, and with the communists you have many from which to choose. If you still want a job, help the communists choose who does and doesn't breed. They busy themselves in the business of others and act surprised when they wake up in an upside-down police state, where the corporation is a person and they are not.
Planned Parenthood, confirmed by the majority for decades, is an oxymoron of economic perception, communists always at war, killing each other to produce fascism, blaming their leaders as the cause instead of the affect. Government is just another layer of superstitious religion, in a hurry to go nowhere, creating artificial emergencies as an excuse for more of the same. And you are supposed to waste your time on consumer solutions for the problems consumers create, lack of production, falling living standards and economic discharge, the only possible outcome.
Now, the critters are spending all their time seeking a DNA solution for the symptoms of communism, including mental retardation from gassing, like grafting a leaf on a tree, as if nature is not going to recognize what is not its own. Yes, I am quite familiar with what passes for intelligence in San Diego, at the biotechs, Qualcomm, UCSD, and Foreign Affairs. What's new about a majority trying to imprison a minority to its own end?
All majorities assume that all children belong to the collective, to support their monetary ponzi, which is a piss-poor foundation for an economy. Without labor, all capital is a sunk cost, and labor has been watching majorities choke themselves to death for thousands of years. Nothing new here; move along.
Why would you waste your time training kids that are stupid enough to accept debt for a job, to build sunk costs on a bridge, from and to nowhere, convinced that the result is wealth?
Whether a bridge has temporary abutments, at the local or aggregate level, is always up to you. All jobs are temporary, and which communist tries to hold your children hostage next is irrelevant. From the vacuum left by artificial order comes chaos, as the growing tails close in like a vice on the shrinking artificial stability between, surprise.
The next dress on Family Law should be interesting, for about 15 minutes.
Ron Paul, this, Ron Paul that.
Quick, name the top 1 piece of legislation Ron Paul sponsored which was passed.
Audit the FED passed the H.of.R.
I consider the lack of legislation an oustanding success.
The more corrupt the state, the more they legislate.
~Tacticus
Of course he couldn't get anything passed -- he didn't compromise with the ambient slime.
Patriot Act, oh wait he didn't support that piece of trash. That makes him an ace in my book.
Jeb needs some JABS as he won't create any JOBS!
Jebs mother Barbara when asked if Jeb should run for Prez, said flat out, NO... "we have had enough Bushes and Clintons in th W. House"
That was several years ago, she has since said differently.
Jeb is another lying big gubmint retread, and would serve up the same old bullshit.
The RNC want Jeb and are pissed that he sucks so badly. Trump may be a douche bag also, but I'd vote for him over a turd like Jeb any day!
Trump is not a douche bag. He is a giant asshole, and does not try to hide it,. It is why he is successful.
Who counts the votes in the presidential candidate nomination ballots? What else is relevant?
I don't suppose that Jeb is sinking like a stone (not that he was a starter in the first place) has anything to do with the fact his last name is Bush, now does it?
Is he by any chance related to that fellow who invaded the wrong nation looking for non-existent weapons?
No, the fellow who held secret energy meetings with secret "guest" deciding the fate of future fuel prices for years (hint: we paid a lot more), and we still do not know who came to those meetings.
So the fellow who ran the previous version of the most transparent administration ever.
Let's not leave out his attacks on the American middle class' enemy #1...Wall Street and enemy #2 Banksters. To call out their greed and corruption has also stolen thunder from the weaker Paul...This coming from R.P. fanboy.
Trump is the ONLY GOP candidate that has even a modest immigration policy. Truly.
Because if we let the LEGAL immigration continue as it is now you can kiss goodbye any remnants of freedom, for example:
The NRA will fall. It’s inevitable. Just look at the demographics. The Washington Post, October 19, 2015
by Adam Winkler professor at UCLA School of Law
See also:
Jews and Jewish organizations lead the gun control campaign
Jews and Gun Control: A Reprise by Andrew Joyce, Ph.D.
And last election's VP candidate who would have BEEN VP only his immigration policy is what Beat him and Romney:
Paul Ryan has two-decade history of advocating open borders
Paul Ryan Would push through Obamatrade
The TPP and even more ominous the TiSA pact will take even congressional management of immigration policy away and give it to foreign businesses to flood the USSA with even more visa holders than you can imagine. Both US LAW now.
Jeb and Shillery can't even use their toxic last names in fear that someone would recognize the organized crime famiies they represent.
It's really funny to watch the snooty guy getting his bell run as he solemnly intones the Marquis de Queenbury rules.
I really don't think Trump will be President. The CIA will pull a JFK on him before that happens. I'm not sure he'd even be a good one if he did survive. But he would bring some credibility back to the Presidency, and some overseas respect for the USA, and that can't be bad. (I speak as a non-resident foreigner; but we too have a strong interest in who gets elected.)
What if Trump is a test by the CIA or "they" or whoever, to see if American propaganda is good enough to get a man like Trump elected. No substance, all TV personality....
That is comical. Trump has provided more substance than most of the little political pussies running for the republican nomination. Listen to those assholes use grand sounding words and say nothing. Trump ays he will build a wall and close the border. Agree or disgree he said something. What do the other shitheads say? we need "comprehensive reform" and a "path to citizenship." What the hell does that mean? It says nothing but is intended to sound serious. Your problem with Trump is that you are an idiot - at least until you talk policy differences.
I wouldn't mind seeing Trump go head to head with Hillary.
Trump will call Hillary a liar to her face in the debates.
That should make for some seriously entertaining TV.
The events on 9/11 were the most spectacular symbol, so far, of the degree to which a Deep State Shadow Government is able to dominate the American People.
Go Trump!
Trump vs. Jeb
Be sure that you flush "twice"!
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.
H. L. Mencken
Trump embodies american rejection of the political process, people want the puppets of the political establishment to sweat a little that's all. This is not about Trump since he would serve the same masters who made him rich.
More on that charade of "wildcat" or "black horses" candidates of Sanders and Trump can be found here:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/notes-on-buddy-politics/
THE SLOW DEMISE OF HOPE TRADERS.
you can bet one of bush's buddies is keeping a scope on trump.
Open Your eyes
WTC 9/11 3 Buildings were nuked and the Pentagon, the most inpenetrable building
in the world, was nuked (depleted uranium) by a cruise missle, a Patriot? Wouldnt that be funny.
Sadly 70% of those Heroes who breathed that Radiation are in the process of dying or have died.
Jeb had his prints on it with the family member in charge security at WTC. And the Gold and the Bonds?
And there should have been 35 stories of debri.. only a Nuke with HAARP could have left nothing.
And he has the gall to run for President.. How Proposterous. TRUMP, "GOTCHA" by the GONADS" MAN.
youtube: PDX 9/11 Truth - Leuren Moret Depleted Uranium and 9/11 . What do you think now?
Obvious who did it.. the BOYZ did it George, Dick and Donald or Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and 9/11 - 911Truth.Org. After viewing.. what do you think now?
"And he has the gall to run for President.."
You hit the nail on the head. These people have nothing BUT gall....just look up north! Justin Treadeu, the eldest sprog of Pierre Treadeu is now the PM of Canada. Daddy is the guy most responsible for burying Canada in Federal Debt and now sonny will take over. If Justin had any pride or common sense, he'd hide under a rock begging forgiveness, but he doesn't, he charges out to fuck the country up even more than daddy did....and that takes Gall. Its what Asian's call 'thick skin' or a 'black heart'. A Normal moral person would be too embarrassed but these animals don't think like you and I.
But our neighbours just keep voting for them. I shake my head.
Squid
GW Bush preached a noninterventionist foreign policy, too, before he got elected and swept in the neocons in time for 9/11. I expect Trump would do the same, since he's a political naif.
If these total jerkoffs running for the Presidency cannot admit to the reality that the World Trade Centers #1, #2, and building #7, were a result of controlled demolition via a conspiracy within the National Security arms CIA/NSA/FBI they have no business running for office.
The more I listen to Trump, the more I have to agree with many of the points he's saying.
Why do so many people paint him as being a buffoon, as being unelectable? Is it the fact that his bombastic personality is unpresidential? Serious question.