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Majority Of Americans Believe US Would Be Safer If More People Carried Guns
When 26-year old Chris Harper Mercer opened fire at an Oregon community college earlier this month killing 9 people, the gun control debate was once again thrust into the national spotlight just a little over a month after Vester Flanagan gunned down a reporter on live television and just three months after 9 worshippers were fatally shot at an African American church in downtown Charleston.
The arguments are always the same on both sides. On the one hand there are those who contend that easy access to firearms and the very existence of the Second Amendment are to blame for the violence. On the other side are those who say that mental health is the problem and that in fact, the world would be a safer place if more people had concealed carry permits (i.e. if more people were carrying around guns in public).
As is always the case, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but from a kind of mutually assured destruction/ deterrence perspective, there does seem to be some merit to the idea that one responsible citizen with a handgun might well be able to make a difference in scenarios like that which played out at Umpqua Community College. That’s not to say that the best thing to do is turn the entire country into the Wild West where disputes are solved at ten paces in the middle of a dusty street at high noon, only that it’s a lot easier to stop someone who is determined to shoot innocent people if you have a gun yourself.
Against this backdrop, we bring you the following from Gallup whose most recent poll shows that the majority of Americans think the country would be safer if more people carried firearms after passing a criminal background check and training course. Here’s more:
A majority of Americans, 56%, believe that if more Americans carried concealed weapons after passing a criminal background check and training course, the country would be safer.
These results are from Gallup's annual Crime poll conducted Oct. 7-11. In the wake of mass shootings at schools and other public places, some have argued that the shootings could have been stopped if any of the victims had carried weapons. Others argue that having more citizens carrying weapons can lead to more violence and accidental shooting.
Among key subgroups, Democrats and those with postgraduate education are least likely to believe that more concealed weapons would make the U.S. safer. Republicans and gun owners are most likely to say it would make the nation safer. Younger Americans are more likely to choose the "safer" option than those aged 30 and above.
The seemingly continuous incidence of mass shootings in the U.S. in recent years underscores the need for a focus on what can be done to prevent such tragic events in the future. Previous Gallup research has shown that Americans believe a failure of the mental health system to identify individuals who are a danger to others and easy access to guns are more to blame for mass shootings than other causes tested.
Gallup's most recent poll on gun control shows that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun sale laws in this country. At the same time, however, less than half of Americans believe that one such stricter law -- universal background checks -- would prevent mass shootings. In fact, a majority say that if more Americans carried concealed weapons after passing background checks and training, the nation would be safer.
From a sociological perspective, the interesting thing here is that the spirit of the Second Amendment to a certain extent harkens back to citizens' right (indeed, their civic duty) to resist injustice in the event government becomes oppressive. Now, the social fabric of the US has apparently been stretched to the point that citizens need to exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms just to keep from getting shot in math class or at the movie theatre.
We'll leave it to readers to determine what that says about where society is headed going forward.
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Well, of course. the human race is still quite aggresive and we all need to know there is a price to pay if we try to harm another.
we would be on our best behavior if we knew this price could be our life.
An armed scoiety is a polite society.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/guide-learning-use-sidearm-defend-yourself-your-loved-ones-and-your-property-should-
How many people on a campus of college kids forgot their cell phone aka recording device that day....seems all of them.
Tyler hows that happen in this day and age?
Forward Porpaganda!
RIPS
Murder rates were lower in the "Wild West" than today.
Just sayin'
Cuz they were packin'
Guns ain't enough. The crims are gonna start packing grenade launchers, flame throwers, mini guns and the like. If it's made, it can be bought or stolen. The only solution is no limits. The rich and poor alike are entitled to defend themselves with Davy Crocketts.
Attention all gun-grabbing nut-jobs:
You're not getting our guns without a fight.
Even though must of you will hide behind the police state like the cowardly degenerate filth that you are, the blood will still be on your hands, should you press for gun confiscation.
I know it's been said many times before, but you're like little kids who need to be reminded of something time and again.
Sincerely,
Gaius Frakkin' Baltar
Call that a gun? This is a gun.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/panzerbar/17086497/504234/504234_original...
The kids these days play video games and understand the importance of a good weapon.
The most important takeaway from the survey is that there may be some hope for the sheeple, if the majority of them aren't buying the intense CIA/media propaganda to ban guns. Btw, I have a postgraduate education and I and I'm all for concealed carry. When was the last time someone was randomly shot by a person with a concealed carry permit? There are millions of gun owners in this country. They seem pretty responsible to me.
Title should read:
"Majority Of Americans Know US Would Be Safer If More People Carried Guns"“That’s not to say that the best thing to do is turn the entire country into the Wild West where disputes are solved at ten paces in the middle of a dusty street at high noon.”
I’d settle for 1 p.m. if the person I have a dispute with otherwise engaged at noon.
1 P.M. is always good for a duel. Gives one time to have a final meal...
Standard Disclaimer: Raymond K. Hessel, tomorrow will be the most beautiful day of your
life. Your breakfast is going to taste better than any meal you've ever eaten. You get the point.There has just got to be an applicable Sun Tzu quote somewhere...
http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html
School of Imperialism, 1/12
https://librivox.org/popular-history-of-ireland-book-01-by-thomas-darcy-...
Rock and roll. Boy.
As more of the mid east nut jobs are imported into US, you will have a weapon or you will die.
A carry town is a kind town!
Carrying is caring.
"A shoot-out is better than a massacre!"
- David M. Bennett
41% number above is the criminals who are afraid it would be less safe for them to commit crimes. Not less safe for the 56% who are law abiding citizens who understand this.
41% coincides with a specific demographic.
Felons
A bit like how many in the Middle East believe more religion is the answer.
A bit like how many in Sweden believe more Middle Easterners is the answer.
You mean people like Barbara Spectre Lerner? A well-connected and prolific supporter of mass immigration - for Sweden but not her home country
I didn't say they were Swedes, just people in Sweden.
How about Ingrid Lomfors telling Swedes that they have no native culture and to embrace the invasion. She is a Jew educated in the US.
Reverse the roles and the outcry would be heard all around the world.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34528
You are obviously totally ignorant of Barbara Spectre Lerner and her motives. Let's just say she is not Swedish, just an Israel Firster with a US passport.
Don't they all have passports into our countries? Sort of like this was an planned invasion from the start...
"The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him."
- Dr. Mike Adams
Well there is a group of ppl who want to see the Abrahamic religions destroy each other.
They are following the doctrine of Albert Pike, a KKK mason from the US who has a
statue in washington DC.
details here:
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm
As machiavelli would say, when you have enemies, trick them
into destroying each other.
It sure looks like that is the plan in play.
outside of Blazing Saddles, how many blacks were in the Wild West?
Are you not able to use Google? Way more than the number you think.
http://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2015/10/21/bill-pickett-invitation...
The first American Cowboys were black....
Back when Blacks had their own culture, and not the one that the Jews promote for them.
Never heard of Buffalo soldiers?
Or should I say...
Never herd of Buffalo soldiers?
(Sorry, I couldn't resist.) ;)
Define "wild west" in time and space first...
http://www2.census.gov/prod2/statcomp/documents/HistoricalStatisticsofth...
Series B 48-71.-POPULATION-RACE BY REGIONS: 1790 TO 1940 (page 17)
B 48-71. Race by regions, decennial, 1790-1940. SOURCE: Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census. For 1940, see Sixteenth Census Reports, Population, vol. II, part 1, p. 52; for 1930, see Fifteenth Census Reports, Population, vol. II, p. 35;
for 1920, see Fourteenth Census Reports, Population, vol. II, p. 31; for 1900-1910, see Thirteenth Census Special Reports, Negro Population, 1790-1915, p. 43; for total population, 1790-1890, see Sixteenth Census, Population, vol. I, pp. 14-15; for white and Negro figures, 1790-1800 and 1820-1890, see Thirteenth Census Special Reports, Negro Population, 1790-1915, pp. 44-45; for other races, 1860-1890, see Fifteenth Census, Population, vol. II, p. 53; for free white and slave population, 1790-1800 and 1820-1860, see Ninth Census, Population, vol. I, pp. 4-7. Figures for 1810 have been revised to include in Missouri (a North Central State) that part of the population living in wh:;Lt was formerly part of Louisiana Territory and subsequently Arkansas (a Southern State).
The divisional composition of census regions is given in footnotes to series B 48-71. The State composition of the census divisions is as follows:
NEW ENGLAND: Maine New Hampshire Vermont Massachusetts Rhode Island Connecticut
MIDDLE ATLANTIC: New York New Jersey Pennsylvania
EAST NORTH CENTRAL: Ohio Indiana Illinois Michigan Wisconsin
WEST NORTH CENTRAl: Minnesota Iowa Missouri North Dakota South Dakota Nebraska Kansas
SOUTH ATLANTIC: Delaware Maryland District of Columbia Virginia West Virginia North Carolina South Carolina Georgia Florida
EAST SOUTH CENTRAL: Kentucky Tennessee Alabama Mississippi
WEST SOUTH CENTRAL: Arkansas Louisiana Oklahoma Texas
MOUNTAIN: Montana Idaho Wyoming Colorado New Mexico Arizona Utah Nevada
PACIFIC: Washington Oregon California
THE WEST (Mountain and Pacific divisions) (Table on page 27)
Negro
1850 1,241
1860 4,479
1870 6,380
1880 11 ,852
1890 27,081
1900 30,254
The lead only really started flying when the Sheriff came a knocking. He came a knockin' when his benefactors wanted your property. It was all legal-like.
Fixed it for ya... hedge
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-10/guide-learning-use-sidearm-defend-yourself-your-loved-ones-and-your-property-should-
@ Hedgeless Horseman:
All in all, not a bad article, but I disagree with the concept of making recommendations on "what to buy"...everyone has their favorites. I recommend to people that they should go to a larger gun show in their area, and look at what's available - talk to people. Try to find a gun that fits their hand well. As soon as they have a short list of guns they like, their next step is to range test them. Either befriend people who own them, or go to a pay-to-play gun range, and spend a few bucks trying them out. Narrow it down to 1-2 that you really like. Then, narrow it down further, by adding some more criteria:
Personally, I clean my weapons after every use, and this is 1 thing I seriously recommend any gun owner to do (present or future); you're depending on it to work when you need it to, and spent a lot of money on it, so take care of it. The point I'm making, is that I don't feel like spending 2 hours stripping a gun down, and cleaning 20-30 parts. For me, less moving parts = better reliability, and easier maintenance, so these are 2 things I look for, when evaluating a potential new purchase.
Why spend hundreds (or thousands) of dollars on a firearm, only to discover that you don't like it, it's not comfortable, not suited for your application, "too much gun", etc.?
Also, I disagree that laser sights are useless - Crimson Trace makes a good product (pistol grips with integral laser sight, pressure-activated). You're not going to be dead-on at 100 yards with them, but for fast target acquisition at short distances (especially at night), they can't be beat. I'm not a fan of "tacti-cool" weapons at all, so I definitely wouldn't rail-mount anything on a handgun.
"How many people on a campus of college kids forgot their cell phone aka recording device that day....seems all of them."
When the scene was secured the police confiscated everyone's phone. So not so much people weren't there or weren't recording, but someone tried very hard to make sure nothing got out. As far as I know there's been zero followup on this, and it's a pretty important element.
"How many people on a campus of college kids forgot their cell phone aka recording device that day....seems all of them."
It was my understanding that the cell phones were collected by "security".
State crimes will not be televised.
Clearly the phones were confiscated.
But, for those with a quick brain and an Android phone, they simply could have and should have removed the SIM card, before handing over their phone. The iPhone users are not so lucky.
Of course it begs the next question: "Why hand over your possessions?" Let someone else roll over their legal rights. You can make use of the 5th Amendment, in response to grilling by LEAs, and use your "college wit" to handle the allegedly dimmer wit of the security guards.
It's pretty easy to dispel the argument that more armed folks will result in more innocent shootings.
Go to all states that have open or concealed carry and tally all the accidental shootings by the people who were legally carrying and not intent on committing a crime.
My guess is you'll get somewhere close to ZERO unintentional shootings by these folks.
People killed in gun free zones ? Lots.
People killed in strong gun control cities and states ? Lots.
People killed at gun shows and police stations ? Virtually none.
People killed in open carry minimal gun control cities and states ? Virtually none.
Which proves that - killers reach for the low hanging fruit, don't like a challenge, are cowards, aren't totally stupid, and don't want to get stopped by a bullet.
It also proves that gun control is worthless, or carries a hidden agenda.
Last but not least, it also proves that the crime rate amongst law abiding gun owners is non existent, so make everyone a law abiding gun owner, and watch criminals become an endangered species.
Is this sort of like more debt would cure the economy? So more guns would cure gun violence. Hmmm.
YES...You ARE Retarded!
RIPS
There are certainly a lot of retards on this thread today. Dominated by Americans from cornpone country I see.
You seem to be the leader of the retards.
Worry about yourself communist.
RIPS
Did you actually have any value to the conversation, or are you just lonely on a Friday?
Knives don't kill people right dope.
So I'd suggest when the FED para-drop's money, take it and buy a Walther PPK, keep the knife for food
I know it's pointless talking to Americans about these things, the very fact that you compare knives to guns illustrates the level of intransigence and stupidity in play.
You're all fed such a diet of hysterical shite by the gun lobby, it has led to a situation where millions of people have to contemplate killing other people with their firearm, in self defense or otherwise. These can be unhealthy thoughts that a lot of people, especially the young, just can't handle, and obviously tip many over the edge; they chip away at respect for life, decreasing sensitivity and even instilling murderous awe in some. Fact is, as a nation, you aren't mature enough anymore; childish, disturbed, bloated, spoilt, angry, entitled, deluded, insane.
If you ever need a revolution, or if violent resistance is ever necessary, the guns will arrive, just like in any other country, America won't be any different. It's just not a good idea to have them there now, in the possession of children and lunatics, waiting on it coming around.
Seems to be working for switzerland.
A few towns in the US require a gun in each home as well,
and have lower then natl avg crime.
1 in 4 Americans thinks the sun goes arround the earth...
1 in 4 doesn't believe in darwinisme...
More Americans know the names of the 7 dwarfs then they know who's the vice president...
1 in 3 Americans can't show America on the worldmap and if they point to a country, they point to Russia because it's the biggest country...
So whenever they ask a bunch of Americans who they believe or think... it's mostly the beginning of a bad joke.
darwinism is the biggest lie ever told.
You just proved you came from an ape.
This video will expose how much of a fraud it is. I'll wait for your responce. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrmHMpyIcdY
You just failled your gun test.
And you need to redo kindergarden.
I really hope you're kidding or else I pitty you for living in a small world.
Still waiting for a responce to the video (If you can dare to watch it because it will destroy that false paradim you've been living.) that makes sense and is without name calling. You can do it. Well, maybe not, but you can at least try.
We're not subject to your "gun tests"...
Whether I possess a gun won't be determined by you or anyone else.
I am the opposite of this song so please if you try to break in my home, fair warning. It's a Iron Maiden Friday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxu4Y1zUGrw
That isn't Darwinism. The Big Bang has nothing to do with Darwinism.
Hitlery,
Great music today!
That video was interesting, till the end. The story of jesus is a recreation from sumerian stories 5k years old. There may be somthing "greater" but it aint named jesus.
Sorry. I upvoted ya still.
RIPS
Watch the FULL video - they talk about Darwinism. That's why I posted it.
"Watch the FULL video - they talk about Darwinism. That's why I posted it."
Kent Hovind. LOL! That explains a lot.
"Doctor" Kent Hovind obtained his "doctorates" mail-order from "Patriot Bible University" and thinks that the Earth is 6,000 years old. His views of ancient Earth history resembles the Flinstones cartoon show, with dinosaurs and humans co-existing in harmony.
His scientific errors are too numerous to list them all, but as just one example of just how stupid this guy is, in support of one of his bizarre theories, he is quoted as saying that "theoretically, one drop of water will cover the world, if you spread it real thin." If you consider the surface area of the earth, you'd need about ~150,000,000 kg of water to cover it. Now compare that to a drop of water: ~.00002 kg. He's only off by a factor of ~1 trillion.
Thanks for the laugh.
Well, if he is wrong about the water droplets, who cares. The earth is 6k years old. Carbon dating is another scam. Even if you don't believe in Jesus, at the very least, he decimated the darwinism theory as nothing but lies, perpetuated by government. And don't get me started on the hack known as "The Science guy" - guys a moron who has no explanation for anything except that it's "complicated". He's a government shill who believes in global warming which has been proven to be a hoax, almost as big as what Darwin did. LOL. There is a reason why governments want people to believe in nothing. Think about it.
"Well, if he is wrong about the water droplets, who cares."
It's a testament to just how irrational the guy is.
"The earth is 6k years old. Carbon dating is another scam."
Hovind's views on Radiometric dating debunked here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html
"...he decimated the darwinism theory as nothing but lies."
Laughable. His arguments that is.
"And don't get me started on the hack known as 'The Science guy'"
Have no idea who that is. It's irrelevant.
Sudden debt enjoys being a slave because he can't think for himself.
delete
lol.
To be fair, I think the bottom 30% of European population would return similar results.
Not really.
Our technical schooling levels are as high as American university levels.
Most Americans are dumb as fuck. You'd be amazed as how many times stupidity is linked to being a American when somebody tells a joke about it.
Drunk as a Swizz, smoking like a Turk, dumb as a American.
Oh yes, really. And it has nothing at all to do with school. It's been decades since I was at school almost all of it is looong gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_mkwB9ayK4
And I bet I could go through the various other European nationalities digging up ignorance all over the place.
9 in 10 Indians believe in multiple gods.....
8 in 10 Indians believe that the earth is held by elephants
5 in 10 Indians couldn't even read the word India
So whenever an Indian tells me his opinion I tend to ask who's script they are reading it from and why would he think he has any grounds to speak to gown ups....
Did you just compaire America with India??!!??
TO PROVE A POINT????
What holds the elephants? What if the elephants...shrug?
The four elephants are standing on the back of a giant turtle. There used to be five elephants, but that is another story.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fifth_Elephant
You're wasting your time here. This place perfectly illustrates the saying mother used.
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and it annoys the pig."
41% are retards who are busy watching the Star Wars trailer over and over again, while jizzing thier pants.
Whoa...how did you know I was watching the Star Wars trailer???
Annual homicide via gun is so so so fucking small compared to deaths by drug overdose, cars, etc. its always laughable when people start a massive nationwide pro/anti gun debate whenever a maniac kills some classmates/reporters/office workers.
Fact of the matter is, there will always be senseless murders caused by criminals.
Criminals dont abide by the law. So the law will never completely stiffle crime. HOWEVER, avoidable deaths, i.e. drug overdoses (on legal drugs), or a doctor being negligent and accidentally killing a patient, or a massive automaker GM killing people through greed, these are the REAL fucking crimes. Too bad the MSM only shows stupid 'this cop was killed/this gangbanger was killed/a kid died in gang crossfire' kind of BS that the public drinks until they think the only people that die are those involved with or around guns.
Americans are so fucking stupid i think everyone should have a gun and fireworks and maybe a few grenades so we can give Darwinism a slight kick and maybe a few generations down the line, everyone wont be as pathetic as they are now.
The other day, some masochistic types (anyone who could remain awake) watched "Wall Street" Hillary Clinton cross-examined by a bunch of neocon perves, and neither "Wall Street" Hillary nor any of those perves could mention what Benghazi was reall about:
GUN CONTROL !!!!!
Now, there was a highly-staffed CIA station in Benghazi, but no one really discussed that.
Nor did they discuss the CIA was involved in a gun buy-back program: buying back US-supplied weapons from those people there, who really, really needed those weapons under the present circumstances.
(Let's take a minute out and reflect: certain corporations made big bucks sell weapons to the Kaddafi regime, and those militias --- one presumes --- and now taxpayer monies were going to purchase those weapons back?????
What a country! What a Ponzi!
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/23/ignoring_us_destabilization_of_libya_gop
(There is one question Amy Goodman asks Mel Goodman, former CIA and State Dept. analyst, which inquires about a mind-melding of the CIA and State, which he skirts be moving on to the "militarization of the CIA" --- which I agree with, but there IS an amazing number of former CIA analysts now in State Department positions --- certainly does appear to be a merging of the two --- or else the CIAization of State!)
No more middle fingers when the horn is blown from the son of a bitch that cut you off ?
Yippee kay-yay, Motherfucker.
Swiss and Israeli Laws require that all citizens must have weapons, specifically submachine guns. Somehow, the murder rate there is well below than in America. Why?
It is simple: crime pays in America. You kill somebody and you go to prison for life, i.e., in reality, it is no more that 5-10 years unless you are stupid and claim your innocence.
Crime pays in America big time since the entire criminal justice system is tilted to their favor!
The majority of Americans are completely insane too, and could never even bust their way out of a paper bag.
The insane, Psychopaths are located in the District of Criminals. Truth hurts doesn't it? Remember, people didn't get upset to find out the world wasn't flat. People got upset because they fiound out the world was in FACT round. The truth was too much for some od them to bear.
Live with it. I'll sit tight with my snub nose 8 shot S&W .357 & beautiful snake skin holster.
Which means that the government will continue to attack gun carry.
And armed society is a polite society.
America is everything but a politie society.
And sociopaths are also polite.
If you live outback, you need a gun.
If you live in a city, you don't need a gun.
That simple. And anybody who lives in a city and has 20 guns and 500 bullets needs a mental check.
America is armed to the teeth and yet they are the least free country, paranoid beyond belief, the least educated and the most agressive.
Anybody who believes anybody can own a gun is a fool.
And you have guns and guns. Why would a private person need a 50 cal?
Sure, there's plenty of guys who think that if you don't own a gun you're gay and that's why they believe you need as many as possible.
And that's the cabin fever talking or just the plain fact they gay are and in the closet.
"20 guns and 500 bullets" - LOL
20 guns is not that many - and 500 cartridges or rounds (not bullets) is about what I will use on one trip to the range.
I can't disagree more with your view - I would much rather be out in the country without a gun VS in the city.
Most wild animals I see out in the sticks are afraid of humans - it is the two legged animals in the city that are a bigger threat.
Sudden Debt is proving his point about dumb americans simply by posting. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NZBVR_PvV8
What makes you think he is American, or his first language is even English?
Come on. You're Belgian, no?
11 million people in Germany murdered by their government.
20+ million in Russia murdered by their government.
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
Germany never invaded Switzerland.
This is the real reason that every citizen owns a weapon.
myob
"And you have guns and guns. Why would a private person need a 50 cal?"
Because "they" have them too. That's why! That was the whole reason from the beginning of this horribly failed experiment.
Sudden Debt,
You often post good comments and observations, but today you are showing more ignorance than I have ever seen from you. Your stereotyping and absolutisms regarding guns, gun ownership and crime are laughable.
If you or your child were in a classroom, theatre, restaurant, park, train etc. when gunfire erupted, wouldn't you like to have someone with a gun there to stop the massacre? And do you suppose that if a thug knew that there was a very strong probability that several, many or even all of the people around him had a loaded gun and knew how to use it would even attempt to cause any trouble?
@ SD, if you want to be a stupid fucking target that is your right but as far as I am concerned my rights trump the fuck out of your fears and little feelings . Fuck off.
It won't be much longer when guns/bullets will be obsolete and replaced by lasers built into cell phones/glasses whatever. How do you ballistic fingerprint a laser?
My laser shoots out of my dick , it is yellow and it is triggered by Marxist/facist .
Because the Police will not be there. We'll they will after you dead,with chalk in hand.
In uk.rec.motorcycles the police were always referred to as "janitors". There to clear up after the mess.
And they police refer to motorcyclists as 'organ donors'.
What was the deadliest school massacre and how many guns were involved?
-Someone who already knows the answer
Hint - It was in 1927
Can't remember the name of the place but a school was dynamited so zero guns involved.
I completely agree.
The cities with the strongest gun control laws are the most violent and dagerous to live in.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms, Shall Not Be Infringed!
Honest question for anyone with any experience in law enforcement.
What would happen if police rolled into the scene of a mass shooting and saw that *everyone* running around had a gun in their hand?
What would the protocol be?
Marine protocol:
Kill em' all and let God sort em' out!
Leave?
(sorta like Compton or Aleppo)
Honest answer - GFY with your hypothetical question
It would be over already. They would need to fill out reports. All would be calm/settled.
Well, if you're NYPD, I believe the protocol is to fire 47 shots, wound 3 innocent bystanders, and not hit anyone carrying a gun.
Why would everyone be running around with a gun in their hand? After the attacker was dispatched to the pearly gates, people would put their firearms back into their holsters and then notify the police. The police would arrive to find a relatively calm scene.
@ The End Is Near,
Thank you. Same thing I was thinking. Some Douche Bag trying to change the Discourse with a Hyperthetical. Good try Agent Smith, however, this site actually has common sense Critical Thinkers.
Nice name-calling.
The irony of your statement shows a failure to grasp that he responded with another hypothetical.
I wasn't asking for hypothetical outcomes to my hypothetical scenario.
I was asking what the current *real* protocol is.
(Protocols are rules that are created and designed for hypothetical scenarios, FYI).
Good try at reading comprehension, but if this site has "critical thinkers", you are not among them.
I savagely disagree. The attacker will be DENIED those pearly gates. His gates will be Hitlary's meat flaps.
Bench: "Honest question for anyone with any experience in law enforcement.
What would happen if police rolled into the scene of a mass shooting and saw that *everyone* running around had a gun in their hand?
What would the protocol be? "
SOP is shoot the shit out of everyone first. Then go for the family dawgs. Don't forget the dawgs.
FREEZE!
I would put a couple in your ass for the stupid hypo.
China's government is on-record as saying, after Sandy Hoax, "Americans need to be disarmed."
Now, why might armed U.S. citizens be of concern to them?
There should be mandatory gun handling classes in grammar school.
Better start with a IQ and EQ test. And anybody above retarted or with sociopath behavior can have a gun, heck he can have a dozen.
That should get 90% of all of the guns off the street.
It is probably because I have been in the world of finance for nearly 30 years that I am able to give definition to the abstract.
My finance vision shows me tanks rolling down the streets and soldiers bursting into homes and mowing down American families.
So yes...being able to carry guns makes me feel safer in this situation.
Ehe... that's gonna stop them... for 5 seconds.
The smart move would be to have a 5 year international passport and 5K In cash at home so you can get the fuck out in 5 seconds when shit like that happens.
You want to fight the army?
Who do you think you are? Steven Segall? Chuck Noris?
It's people like you who will be the first to be killed. And that's a fact. And you endager your family because you can't take care of them, only that prop shoorter against a tank... dude...
That is what the Brazilian passport via marriage is for.
And the tanks are not physical ones, which is why the majority of sheep have not panicked.
Washington Post Op-Ed Cheers: Mass Immigration Will Destroy NRA, Second Amendment
And if you want to know how this immigration Tsunami happened:
Review of 'The Culture of Critique'
Preface to the First Paperback Edition PDF
Preface to the First Paperback Edition HTML
Then for the immigrants that are already here, let's start giving them lessons on the Constitution. Let's advise them of what freedoms they have come to receive and how important the 2nd Amendment is to their own self preservation. Let everyday be a "Take a beaner out to the range day" and introduce them to the joys of shooting.
After WWII. the Japanese were asked why they did not invade America after Pearl Harbor. Their answer was that too many Americans had guns.
Why is it so difficult to understand that the person who opens fire first cannot be stopped until many rounds have been fired? In the time it takes even a trained shooter to ready a weapon, identify the adversary, and ensure that innocents are not in the line of fire, the bad guy shooter will likely be able to fire many rounds from a high-capacity weapon, and will likely kill several people. He who shoots first will probably kill first, and putting a gun on every person in America will not change this simple fact.
Americans are simply gun-crazy, and only after the death toll reaches obscene proportions will sanity prevail.
Why is it so difficult to understand that the perpertrator that seeks to challenge another human being might not do so if that other human being can effectively defend his position? Your scenario is fearmongering and seeks the reader to assume alot of bullshit.
Crazy or fanatical people are not deterred by the prospect of death. Many of them take their own lives after committing mass killings.
Oh oh "mass killings" we got ourselves a govt boot licker here. Zeig Heil mein furhrer, right?
Neither or the courageous, the brave, and the religious ready to meet their maker. Your reasoning is bullshit.
Kantbelieveit:
"Why is it so difficult to understand that the person who opens fire first cannot be stopped until many rounds have been fired? In the time it takes even a trained shooter to ready a weapon, identify the adversary, and ensure that innocents are not in the line of fire, the bad guy shooter will likely be able to fire many rounds from a high-capacity weapon, and will likely kill several people. He who shoots first will probably kill first, and putting a gun on every person in America will not change this simple fact."
"'Simple fact"?
Sounds like bullshit to me. Got any hard data to back up your POV?
Unless you equip the gun-toting self defense forces with time machines, they cannot possibly open fire before the insane gunman has started shooting. Is this a difficult concept to grasp? Under the best possible circumstances, the defending shooter(s) can only limit the damage inflicted by the attacker to whatever he hits with his first few shots. In the worst case, the defenders can shoot the wrong person, as happened this week in Israel.
Strange straw man and false construction. When you are talking about deranged mass killers, the killing does not stop until the killer is stopped, and the police have to do all the same "setup"... whenever they finally show up after someone has nothing better to do than telephone 911, and the dispatcher relays the message, and then the police begin their commute to the shooting range and organizing their initial response. In the mean time your mass killers have killed how many more than they would were they confronted when they began their rampages...
Twenty seconds to aim, make a call, and fire or twenty minutes to wait for the police... Are you really trying to claim the twenty minutes is the better alternative you piece of degenerate filth?
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away . . .
You assume a lot in your statement. Not all shootings go down as you state, some are drawn out where the shooter is not shooting just anyone but has specific targets in mind. The recent shooting in is an example, the shooter asked the victims questions before shooting them. The first to be shot I believe was the teacher, no saving him unfortunately but if one or more students had been armed in the classroom very few more would have been shot. Most mass shootings stop once they are confronted with equal or superior force.
You assume a lot in your statement too. If you arm the college students, will you arm the high school students too? What about the kindergarten kids? If only the teacher is armed, does he or she have to wear the gun on the hip and practice quick-drawing? The fantasy of universal gun-toting breaks down very quickly. How would you like all the teenagers in your neighborhood to be carrying guns?
You "Kantbelieveit" are a paranoid fearmongering dipshit.
Ignorant of facts, scared of boomsticks.
Molon Labe hoplophobe.
Part of the answer to your question is that gun ownership support is more concentrated with the less educated people, as the statistics show. Most of these people do not understand statistics or facts checking, or logics. This is not about the 2nd amendment. It is about the huge profits the gun industry and the NRA make. A democracy is defended with votes, not with armed rebellion. The constitution has a lot to say about this.
Shut up and go buy some "Beats" Headphones Dr. Dre and let the adults have a conversation. I have a BA and my own biz. Anyway, I don't agree that just because a person is educated at governemnt condoned indoctrination colleges makes you any more smart than a high school dropout. In fact, it very often means you are a stupid debt slave for life with no common sense. Whoopty fucking do, you have a meaningless moniker after your name and a pieice of paper that means nothing and is as good as toliet paper, but cost you a lot more. Such morons.
Be sure to thank your history teachers with double taps (and probably your statistics teacher too).
"A democracy is defended with votes"
In 1928 the Nazi party made it illegal in German to own a firearm without several permits; to acquire and to carry. In 1938 they liberalized the laws slightly and made sure that all Nazi party members could own a firearm without requiring a permit, they also made sure that the target group couldn't own any weapons of any sort.
Then over the next few years, millions of the ordinary people living in the country were slaughtered. Estimates rise as high as 20 million, but the average seems to be around 11 million.
In the USSR (as opposed to Russia) the NKVD undertook mass gun confiscation of the peasantry during Collectivization. Stallin went on to kill conservative estimates of 20 million plus of the USSR population.
Okay. I have a master's degree (in education, no less) and I'm intimately familiar with most of the recognized fallacies and so forth that are taught in critical thinking. I have received A's in college-level statistics courses, I know the first two amendments by heard and could probably do the 4th but not sure. I know what most of all the amendments are about, having also passed college-level courses in government.
But you know...the only time I ever seem to feel the need to trot all that out is when I'm debating on an internet board with liberal asswipes who hate the second amendment. Amendments are organic parts of the constitution once passed. The 2nd says SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, no matter what the preceding "commentary phrase" might have to offer. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. And yet lots of infringements are already in place and more are being aggressively lobbied for.
If you hate our rights THAT much, you should try going through the channels that have been established for this sort of thing. Get another amendment passed to repeal the 2nd. That is the only way short of a full revolution that you will ever see the 2nd go away. Good luck with getting that amendment passed, and good luck to any anti-2nd-amendment-non-gun-owners who think they'll win a revolution without guns against the very mass of people who have all the guns and don't want them taken away.
And you mock "less educated" people for not understanding logic. Sigh.
If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
L.Maj. Caudill (USMC Ret.
Amen. Never leave home with out it. Unless you live in CA or NY, then you are out of luck. Check your freedom at the door, or the state border as the case may be.
People should have the right to carry Nukes.
I certainly don't feel safe without mine and would not leave the house without it :)