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Meet "Stunningly Catastrophic" Patricia, The World's Strongest Storm Ever Is About To Hit Mexico
"Stunning, historic, mind-boggling, and catastrophic" is how Weather Underground's Jeff Masters sums up Hurricane Patricia, which intensified to an incredible-strength Category 5 storm with 200 mph winds overnight as it approaches the Mexican coast. As The NY Times reports, The World Meteorological Organization warned that the hurricane’s strength was comparable to that of Typhoon Haiyan, which caused devastation in the Philippines in 2013, and so Mexico has declared a state of emergency for Puerto Vallarta (with officials warning that storm surges could cause waves of up to 39 feet) as she is forecast to hit the coast between 6 and 10pm ET.
As Weather Undergound reports,
At 2:46 am EDT October 23, 2015 an Air Force hurricane hunter aircraft measured a central pressure of 880 mb in Patricia, making it the most intense hurricane ever observed in the Western Hemisphere. The aircraft measured surface winds of 200 mph, which are the highest reliably-measured surface winds on record for a tropical cyclone, anywhere on the Earth. The previous strongest Eastern Pacific hurricane was Hurricane Linda of 1997, with a pressure of 902 mb (estimated from satellite imagery.)
Patricia the fastest-intensifying Western Hemisphere hurricane on record
Patricia's central pressure dropped an astonishing 100 mb in 24 hours, making it the fastest-intensifying hurricane ever observed in the Western Hemisphere. Patricia's pressure at 5 am EDT Thursday, October 22, 2015 was 980 mb, and was 880 mb at 5 am EDT Friday. The previous record was a drop of 97 mb in 24 hours for Hurricane Wilma of 2005 (between 1200 UTC 18 October - 1200 UTC 19 October), according to the official NHC report for the storm.
Patricia's intensification rate was very close to the WMO-recognized world record for fasting-intensifying tropical cyclone: 100 millibars in just under 24 hours by Super Typhoon Forrest in the Northwest Pacific in 1983.
Patricia's 200 mph sustained winds make it the 3rd strongest tropical cyclone in world history (by 1-minute averaged wind speed.)
Officially, here are the strongest tropical cyclones in world history, according to the Joint Typhoon Warning Center and the National Hurricane Center (using 1-minute averaged sustained winds):
- Super Typhoon Nancy (1961), 215 mph winds, 882 mb. Made landfall as a Cat 2 in Japan, killing 191 people.
- Super Typhoon Violet (1961), 205 mph winds, 886 mb pressure. Made landfall in Japan as a tropical storm, killing 2 people.
- Super Typhoon Ida (1958), 200 mph winds, 877 mb pressure. Made landfall as a Cat 1 in Japan, killing 1269 people.
- Super Typhoon Haiyan (2013), 195 mph winds, 895 mb pressure. Made landfall in the Philippines at peak strength.
- Super Typhoon Kit (1966), 195 mph winds, 880 mb. Did not make landfall.
- Super Typhoon Sally (1964), 195 mph winds, 895 mb. Made landfall as a Cat 4 in the Philippines.
However, it is now recognized (Black 1992) that the maximum sustained winds estimated for typhoons during the 1940s to 1960s were too strong.
Some Mexican regions are at dire risk...
Hurricane #Patricia, the strongest storm on record in the E. Pacific, is bound for Mexico! https://t.co/ouR20nJ6Xp pic.twitter.com/lCj3aQG7RO
— Elliot Abrams (@accuElliot) October 23, 2015
The city of Puerto Vallarta and some of Mexico’s most popular resorts are in the path of the storm. Flooding and landslides are expected near coastal areas...
Satellite loops early Friday afternoon showed that Patricia’s cloud tops had begun to warm, indicating weakening, and with wind shear now a moderate 10 - 20 knots and interaction with land beginning to occur, Patricia will likely weaken to 155 - 175 mph winds by landfall. The storm's expected turn toward the northeast has begun, and the storm is beginning to accelerate toward the coast of the Mexican state of Colima.
Regardless of northern motion per last advisory #Patricia jogging northeast now. Getting concerned about Manzanillo pic.twitter.com/qkDniGXM7Q
— Jim Cantore (@JimCantore) October 23, 2015
At particular risk is the city of Manzaillo, a regional center that straddles the back of a bay spanning several miles. On its current track, it apperas that Patricia could make landfall sometime between 6:00 and 10:00 pm EDT just to the northwest of Manzanillo--a trajectory that raises the odds of a catastrophic storm surge in or near Manzanillo. Patricia’s strongest winds are confined to a relatively small area, with hurricane-force winds only spanning a range of 30 miles from Patricia’s center. Category 5 winds of 156+ mph cover an area 15 miles across. Wherever those winds are focused, we can expect gigantic waves atop a devastating surge.
An unnamed 1959 hurricane--the deadliest in Northeast Pacific history, with an estimated 1800 direct and indirect fatalities--struck near Manzanillo on October 27...
As the storm approached, posts on Instagram showed people trying to leave Puerto Vallarta. One user posted a photograph of a message from a nearby resort that warned people to return home for their safety. “If this is not possible, please wait for further instructions for a possible evacuation,” the notice read.
In the United States, only three Category 5 storms that made landfall have been recorded, Mr. Feltgen said: a 1935 hurricane that killed more than 400 people; Hurricane Camille, which hit Mississippi and killed 244 people in 1969; and Hurricane Andrew, which hit Florida in 1992, killing at least 10 people there and three in the Bahamas.
But Hurricane Patricia is “uncharted territory,” as The Weather Channel's Jim Cantore summed it up ominously...
Historic #Patricia God help these people in its path. pic.twitter.com/hLgDM3Xsz1
— Jim Cantore (@JimCantore) October 23, 2015
As Bloomberg concludes,
“We can’t underestimate the magnitude of this phenomenon,” Roberto Ramirez, chief of Mexico’s National Water Commission, said in a message streamed on the Internet Friday, urging residents to take precautions or evacuate. “A Category 5 hurricane could lift cars, destroy houses that aren’t built with steel, rebar and cement, and sweep people away.”
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YOU KNOW IT BABY!
STIMULUS FROM GOD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JwIEeuPsSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKS-pcyNERQ
Headed for cartel country. Gonna wreck the pot crops and make bricks out of that cocaine.
And I am sure all of those homes are built to hurricane codes.
I heard the atmospheric pressure was going to drop so low that it would suck it cold air from space and freeze everything is it's path.
Hollywood already did that movie
kind of like Yellen's bung hole?
it's ok the population that used to live there lives in California and Texas now
Preumably in your anti-Mexican wallowing you are not aware of the sheer number of American retirees who live in Baja and on the Mexican coast. Approximately 1 million US retirees live in Mexico.
97.5% of all U.S. retirees living in Mexico are scum bags.
(this is a known fact)
You are a moron. This is a self demonstrated fact.
And you are a douche, this is self-evident.
It would be helpful to the rest of us if you talked a lot less and read far more.
Keep your retardation to yourself and don't whine when we kick 30,000,000 of you out of our country.
Hillary is not going to deport anyone...and yes, the Hildabeast is going to be our next President...Republicans are back at "Repealing ObamaCare" and replacing it with...with...with...well, nothing...oh wait, nope..."Expanded Health Savings Plans"...allows you to annually save $5000 (you don't have) tax free for that $150,000 unexpected medical expense.
There are Repubicans who will vote for any Democrat this time around just to spite the GOP if Trump is not the nominee.
El Chapo tunnels can expect heavy flooding.
Not world's strongest storm ever, strongest Pacific Ocean cyclone. It's impressive enough without having to gild the lily with a clickbaity headline.
strongest ever tracked by NOAA which includes Atlantic and Eastern Pacific...
NOAA was formed in 1970 by combining several pre-existing fedgov agencies. This explains why the records only go back so far. There was probably a storm sometime in history that has dwarfed anything we might be able to imagine.
Somewhat hype we have only reliably watched hurricanes for 40-50 years. I used to go to them and named my son after Andrew and Mitch. Also the one that hit the Philipines Typhoon Haiyan last year was nowhere near the forcasted strength. Though the hype never went away. This is all leading up to Paris and the global warming conference. What the Warmistas know is large El Ninos are followed by large La Ninas and years of cooling. Add one of the weakest solar cycles in 200-400 years and a fading to cool phase Atlantic Multi decadal Oscillation and you could see outright cooling the next 20-50 years.
My God! Someone who actually understands that solar cycles play a role in the Earth's cooling/warming
periodicity! This info was actually taught at the univ level 30-35yrs ago. I recall reading about the solar cycles
for the first time as a teen in Time or USN & WR or some such in the late 70s.
+100
What is really sickening is these liars and fools go on and on about AGW/GW and ignore the biggest threat to earth especially the ocean
Fukishima. The Japanese and TEPCO have no clue. It is not getting any better.
The media says nothing about it.
Any thoughts re how this hurricane will impact the El Nino that is supposed to give California some increased precip? This type of energy dissipation should weaken the El Nino, shouldn't it?
No...actually El Nino will strengthen the hurricane, not the other way around.
the "el nino" event is thousand plus miles away... west of South America
"Typhoon Haiyan last year was nowhere near the forcasted strength."
Here's the final report on Typhoon Haiyan (aka Yolanda) if anyone is interested in seeing that Sequoia is completely full of shit.
https://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/dra/documents/PHI_Mission_Apr2014_FinalRe...
No I'm not just referring to the fact that Haiayn wasn't "last year".
20 greenies, what a fucking joke.
-1
Seqoia,
why don't you write a paper and explain it to all those dumb scientists with their pesky data....
You know, set shit straight...
There is a Nobel Prize and a few million bucks waiting for you...
\facepalm...
I don't need to there are many more qualified than me who have Dr. Freeman Dyson the man who filled Eisten's shoes has. Also the latest satellite temperatures for Antarctica are in and show 37 years of slight cooling no warming over the entire 37 year record. Antartica should be the place to find this warming if it existed as the humidity there is extremely low and that allows CO2 to do its magic. I do mean magic as it evidently causes warming, cooling, drought, flood, excess snow, early and late melting of snow and carpal tunnel syndrome. What you see in the news does not pass the sniff test and if you look at long range temperature records CO2 lags temperature rises by 800 years. What causes this is ocean degassification take a coke can left in a hot garage and one left in a refrigerator. The cold coke will maintain its fizz longer as the temperature of a liquid determines how much CO2 it can hold.
Also Patricia was a DUD dude on landfall it quickly fell apart and no deaths reported as of this time and minimal damage. However going into Paris this will be the only thing the Warmers talk about. Not that no major hurricane has hit the USA in 10 years longest streak on record. Record low numbers of tornadoes last 4 years running.
Global Warming is an agenda and is goal seeked very similar to all government numbers and reports.
Sources Watts up With That.
Breadandbutterscience.com
Real science by Steve Goddard
For information on the sun google Maunder Minimum and Little Ice Age.
People are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts.
I don't need to there are many more qualified than me who have Dr. Freeman Dyson the man who filled Eisten's shoes has. Also the latest satellite temperatures for Antarctica are in and show 37 years of slight cooling no warming over the entire 37 year record. Antartica should be the place to find this warming if it existed as the humidity there is extremely low and that allows CO2 to do its magic. I do mean magic as it evidently causes warming, cooling, drought, flood, excess snow, early and late melting of snow and carpal tunnel syndrome. What you see in the news does not pass the sniff test and if you look at long range temperature records CO2 lags temperature rises by 800 years. What causes this is ocean degassification take a coke can left in a hot garage and one left in a refrigerator. The cold coke will maintain its fizz longer as the temperature of a liquid determines how much CO2 it can hold.
Also Patricia was a DUD dude on landfall it quickly fell apart and no deaths reported as of this time and minimal damage. However going into Paris this will be the only thing the Warmers talk about. Not that no major hurricane has hit the USA in 10 years longest streak on record. Record low numbers of tornadoes last 4 years running.
Global Warming is an agenda and is goal seeked very similar to all government numbers and reports.
Sources Watts up With That.
Breadandbutterscience.com
Real science by Steve Goddard
For information on the sun google Maunder Minimum and Little Ice Age.
People are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts.
We heard you the first time....
BTW, could you point to a peer revewed paper by Dyson (whom I have met) that shows how AGW is wrong?
Didn't think so...
BTW, Goddard's real name is Tony Hellar and he is a first class crank..
And yes, you are entitled to your opinions, but you dont have any relevant facts on your side...
Now run along, you are way out of your league...
" However going into Paris this will be the only thing the Warmers talk about. "
Your failure to grasp the seriousness of the Paris meeting exceeds your previous full-of-shit comment.
Congrats!
Great. Just great. Now we're going to have to listen to the Alarmists tell us how this is Global Warming and how it was caused by .01% of the atmosphere at the margin. Never mind that if there really is an overall temperature rise, that the temp differential between the Poles and the equator would lessen. This differential is what feeds the strength of storms. If it lessens, then the strength of storms lessens. Basic thermodynamics and physics.
If we do see these greater hurricanes, and they increase in number, it probably means global cooling.
This one belongs to El Nino.
SSTs are considerably warmer than the last major El Nino...
If all the oceans' overall temp increases that could also fuel storms as they feed on warmer water.
Doesn't the president of Mexico have a phone and a pen?
HAARP
The Mexican's just said they wanted to end the drug war...
Hurricanes and Typhoons are gay ...
I hope that storm is strong ...
That it blows ...
That its waves wash all the cum and blood and shit away ...
(and leaves our world cleaner)
Did Sully start drinking this morning at the local white trash strip club during "Legs & Eggs"?
He probably read his own blog. I know I needed a drink after just a few paragraphs of its artificial arcania.
3..2..1, start the inevitable attributions to global warming
(ummm wait, this just in, the official term is now is "climate change")
Prepare to be "asked" to rebuild Mexico.
Aren't these the same people who look at the records of the earth cooling for the past 17 years and then go apocalyptic about Global Warming?
The same ones who can't tell you what the weather will be in 3 days from now?
They are almost as bad as economists.
"There is no pause". Dr. Michel Jarraud, Sec Gen World Meteorological Organization (WMO) 31MAR14
nimroddy
why don't you sit yourself down and watch the whole press release. You've got 9 pals, it'll be Friday night fun!
IPCC AR5 WG2
It's Obama's fault.
Yep, he didn't lower the sea level like he promised..., fucker.
Al Gore's fault; he invented AGW.
Lied about the Internet, tho. Bill Clinton invented the Internet. And human cigar humidors.
I thought CONgress banned hurricans. Why not? They try to ban everything else.
"strongest storm ever". Prove it.
200 MPH sustained winds.
But gusts would be over 200...
if these winds actually translate to the surface, go and watch hurricane Charlie videos for an example of the kinds of winds they'll see. But stronger!
Yikes.
200 mph could level even reasonably well designed structures.
hopefully we get a Cat 5 right up the Potomac next summer... clean things out real nice
Good suggestion. Here is a pretty good one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unV5KcSrY-I
Let's live on the water's edge and not expect the occasional storm, just like all those ancient civilizations that wiped each other out in the past, assuming you believe in those ancient civilizations.
my wooden house on a shit foundation would be blown the hell away ..
take cover folks in MExico!
The tacos & tequila are going to be fying tonight.
This is super bullish tech and construction sectors. Electronics will be destroyed and need replacement and the catastrophe will make for excellent click bait to bring me eyeballs to the screens for that fat and juicy add revenue.
I'm surprised the Nasdaq is only up what, 10% now in the past twelve hours?
Short Ford?
Short Taco Bell....
Long Underground Bordellas! Arriba!
Where is Cass Sunstein? He's gotta stroll along and blame cow farts and tail pipe emissions.
If this thing crosses Mexico could it start again in the gulf?
That's not the path that is anticipated at this point. The storm is moving northeast.
Somebody gave you a down arrow. It was not from me.
Yes, it could. Here's Weatherbell Analytics (see daily update on the right). MAJOR warnings for TEXAS:
http://www.weatherbell.com
What specifically was there to see on Weatherbell? By applying the hurricane model, you get lines that track almost exclusively over land in Texas. Most of Texas needs the rain. We certainly do here in the NE part of the state. There is already a little rain. Good. I'm about to go out to the land and spread some lime now that it will stick. If we get enough rain, maybe it will be safe to lift the burn bans.
and after punishing all of Mexico for not remaining faithful to the Catholic God, months later it will continue on it's horrific eastward journey across the Atlantic, then through the Mediterranean and then drift southeast across Israel and Saudi Arabia causing some of the most stunningly catastrophic sandstorms ever. Eventually it will be stopped by the mighty Himalayas thanks to the chanting of thousands of Tibetian monks...
Standard Disclaimer: Hey, it could happen.
John Barnes : Mother of Storms
Pretty good novel, and it's really interesting what happens when hurricanes hit 530 millbars in the eye.
If inquiring minds want to know. What does happen at 530 millibars?
Search "mother of storms 530 millibar" on google and read the few pages on google ebook.
But essentially, the storm goes supersonic.
Have any done that (530 millibars)? Hurricane Andrew which hit south of Miami was a pretty major storm but not a Camille. Andrew spun off lots of tornadoes when it came onshore. This happens often in hurricanes.
Queue up the global warming climate change idiots.
this thing will kock down all the mexicans igloos. climate warming is out of control...!
And the Obama Parrots will all nod in unison as they sagely proclaim "Global Warming". Yep - carbon taxes and Cap'n Trade would have prevented this...right?
Sure, just like gun control prevents mass shootings in gun-free zones by zombies hopped up on SSRI's, and usually just when new headlines are needed to provide cover.
It's all so perfect, isn't it?
Krugman has a boner today. His poor cat
Somebody get al gore on the phone!
Hillary could lose thousands of votes over this....of course dead people still vote Democrat...
Thank goodness our southern border is totally secure. Er... right Barry?
Speedy Gonzalez Lives Matter!
you dont say
the fact that people have so many hours of notice and preparation (assuming the authorities are doing their job) -----------these hurricanes will never again really be able to do the damage they once did but for one glaring fact.
the wrold is about 3 times denser and 3x more people ...even more than that, in places like mexico.
the population and urbanization bomb just puts that much more in the wake of hurricanes , when they do hit , than no amount of preparation really helps put the relative destructiveness in perspective.............times change.
whatever make believe shit storm, noha shows it atlantic
We got an hour left to short Berkshire and all major re-insurers and every primary insurer in Mexico.
Nature's lawnmowers.
Been tracking these for many years, and never tire of seeing them. Very tightly packed; brilliant eye.
Doesn't sound like the locals are as concerned as I'd expect. Forget riding it out or boarding up this late. Just get out, if you can...
Hope the damage and any loss of life are minimal and zero, respectively.
Also, watch for the weed-eaters (tornadoes) off the northeastern bands...
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funny i did not see any news about the navy doing weather testing in that part of the world..................................
hey everyone, I wanted to share some knowledge and observations. Yes HAARP is a great ionospheric heater, but how they are really controlling the weather is right under our nose. They use the NEXRAD system with dual polarization (To demonstrated the latest technological capabilities of dual pole winter storms "Pandora" and "Quantum" were named shortly after all of the NEXRAD systems were upgraded). This technology, developed under Department of Defense Lockheed Martin, has a maximum output of 700,000 watts. To put this into comparison, a television transmitter is using 200,000 watts to beam out the RF signal to the transmitter pole, which is a very wide spread of dispersed RF energy and FCC regulated. Now imagine 700,000 watts of pure concentrated energy, which would literally become a plasma beam. They are using the array of NEXRAD stations in conjunction with Ionspheric heaters to steer the weather, which they did very successfully during the last Hurricane "Joaquin". They actually did an energy transfer, stalled Joaquin, and direct the energy of the hurricane to another location, dumping most of the rain on the south east. The weather is like Karma, if you move energy from one place it doesn't just dissapear, it has to appear somewhere else, and this is the result of their efforts to steer Joaqin. Look at the full radar tracking on Joaqin to see the energy transfer I am referring to. The name Joaquin literally means "Lifted by Yahweh" and is a Spanish language name (foreshadowing). Patricia name means "noble", as in it's a noble cause to sacrifice Mexico's west coast for USA's east coast.
– William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981) "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt, 32nd President of the United States
post script - we are quite likely looking at history here and as usual about 50 % of the commenters are clueless, which by and large is much better than people in general.
+1000
Tesla created a weather modification device. Although some people will say that comment is nonsense, it is 100% true. The Germans were working on the same type of devices using high energy radio waves to try and create storms around bomber formations and increase cloud cover to hide targets.
Water vapor is easily created and easily modified.
Tesla figured out that you could transmit energy around the Earth and carry off the magnetosphere.
If they were modifying the weather in the first half of the 20th century we are definitely doing it now.
Umm...
U.S. HAARP has been shut down, that said, Russia is where you find "weapons grade" HAARP. Well according to this guy anyways...
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HAARP Is Gone, But HAARP Lives On–Just Not Here In The US
While those who labor under the profound misconception that there is, therefore was, only one HAARP, rejoice, others realize, and have informed JKI, there are “around two dozen left.”
Understand, though, that HAARP is not some never changing technical device. Rather, it comes in formats ranging from small instruments used by universities to conduct legitimate upper atmospheric research, to ones like the now-dead US model and, frighteningly, some which are far more powerful than the defunct US one! JKI has been informed that most of HAARP installations are either funded by universities or nations. The really powerful weapon grade ones are in Russia, per JKI’s sources.
http://www.johnkettler.com/haarp-shut-down-dismantlement-under-way/
UAF took over HAARP in August. There are many others like it.
More like the WWF....
" 700,000 watts"
Dude. WTF. A hurricane's cloud formation alone consumes 600,000,000,000,000 watts per day, equal to 200 times the entire electrical output of the entire fucking human world.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/D7.html
Some of you people are so fucking stupid you don't even know how fucking stupid you are.
You might be one of them cougar_w. I don't appreciate your reply. The wattage is beamed directionally, therefore it is not the same type of energy as you are referencing. Who is the stupid again?
Agree
Alright nigga, let's do this.
A major hurricane is 200 miles across. To influence that large a thing you have to generate a significant part of 6.0 x 1014 watts spread across 200 miles with a "beam" originating 10,000 miles away from an antenna not much more than a mile across, at best. So the energy output at the source would need to be 31,400 times greater at the source just based on the area proportion alone (pi x r2). A hurricane is already 200 times the entire fucking electrical output of the entire fucking human world, and your supposed source is going to influence any part of that shit? From 10,000 miles away through rock? With an area of 34,100:1? Are you out of your fucking mind? Fuck me your "antenna" would have to source enough electrical power (from the fuck where, Jupiter?) that it would likely set fire to itself and the surround for 50 miles in all directions. It would be like the world's most spectacular lightning bolt, just one huge arc to ground and then a smoldering, glassed-over crater.
Maybe you watched too much Star Trek.
+1 for using "nigga", multiple "fuck"s, "shit", exponentiation of 10 and pi-R-squared in the same post.
+1 again for drawing a really cool word picture in my head.
The reality is actually really interesting. And then you realize how pathetic human effort is in comparison to just a hurricane. And we get dozens of hurricanes a year.
Epic.
Agreed, What is your stance on AGW again?
Nice try. But while our daily industrial output is tiny compared to 24 hours of a hurricane, our sustained and collective 7 billions impact on the earth has been colossal. Any animal that can in 100 years unearth and set fire to 150 billion tons of mineral carbon (most of that in the last 20 years) and lay 4+ million miles of asphalt road is a creature to be reckoned with.
Got it, so you're totally confused, just as it appears.
Well that puts me in my place for sure.
You did all by yourself. Here's a gold star.
You finally got the "playin a dumb fuck" routine down pat...
Kudos are in order...
It's back and it's full of cack. Another doublethink victim.
Still have nothing to offer except empty slurs...
How is that "Free Francis Sawyer" campaign going?
Almost forgot to ask, are you still sucking Tall Toms cock on your days off?
What is there to offer a zealot like you? You have already made up your mind. You have chosen the bought and paid "scientists" of AGW as your priests that fit your belief system, hammered into you from academia (church). The only thing to offer you is a helmet and a seat in the green short bus.
Nothing but endless empty rhetoric...
Did you wipe your chin off?
Show us your superiority and paste some more Almighty "Data." Since it's "Data" it must be true!
Zzzz....
Pssst, google "Marcott 13 Pages 2k"
Does Tall Tom at least give you a decent reach around?
You are obviously very sick. I hope you get better.
So do you spit or swallow? Or do you do what Tall Tom tells you to do?
Google gave me hotwhopper. thusly described :
"you are an emotionally based lifeform" "a clueless female eco-nut" "Assigned to the permanent troll bin"Anthony Watts, blog owner of WUWT
on Marcott hotwhopper says:
(Standardising the age of core tops is sensible science. The flailing Auditor can't find anything to support his unwarranted war on science so he picks this at random, safe in the knowledge that his target audience wouldn't know a core top from a speleotherm.)
http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/04/dismissives-still-furious-with-marcot...
Honestly, I don't know what defines a "reach around" and I'm ok with that.
You don't have to hit the storm, just do enough to steer it. Manipulating high and low pressure areas would be enough to influance a storm. Think vaporizing a tiny chunk of an asteroid to adjust its trajectory.
So now we're steering a 200 mile across storm with 200 mph+ winds and packing (at least) 200 times the entire electrical output of the human world. No sorry that is not how it works. You need a huge atmospheric trough to steer that shit around. You are right back to pumping 600 trillion watts into an area FIVE TIMES size as a 200 mile across hurricane -- in real time -- and sustaining that long enough to cook the seas surface a few degrees to raise a significant wind. It takes the Sun months to pull that off. MONTHS. You've got 12 hours. No. Just fucking no.
They aren't evaporating shit off of asteroids either, before you get started on that one.
This kind of retardation just bugs me.
This hurricane or at least most horricanes are larger than 200 miles across. I remember one that was the size of Florida which is about 600 miles.
The only thing big enough to kick a hurricane's ass is those huge (low or High) fronts that move across the USA from the West to the East. Those monsters can push a hurricane out of the way like a toy.
"To put this into comparison, a television transmitter is using 200,000 watts to beam out the RF signal to the transmitter pole..." To compare it another way, a bright incandescent light bulb runs 100 watts. So basically you're saying that HAARP should impress us because it runs through juice at a rate equivalent to 7000 light bulbs. Or less than what it takes to keep a small county fair lit up (not including actually running rides, etc.)
I just don't think I'm that impressed.
Yep...
That about sums it up...
Well spoken, my man
dupe post
So if man made global warming is going to be the patsy for this storm, who was responsible for the ones before it back in the 50s and 60s?
Don't ask those questions. It fucks up the narrative.
El Nino is the patsy for this storm. We can stop there.
Pretty confident there were storms like this before man was even on earth. Our records only go back a relatively short time. Don't let the liberal bullshit media remove that perspective.
Answer: Man!
Don't you get it yet? Anything done to advance civilization is unsustainable and will cause serious environmental problems,,, unless of course,,, we act NOW and pass the carbon tax which allows government(s) complete control of any production and thus business in general.
Clear sailing after that.
Holy confirmation biased cult of inbreds Batman! Most of you guys go so far out of your way to explain why the climate is changing that you totally ignore the ramifications of a changing climate. The debate is over, nobody fucking cares what caused it anymore. I don't care if it was aliens, geo-engineering, government incompetence, animal agriculture, industry, carbon, conspiracy theory, the sun, natural cycles, or whatever else you want to imagine. Earth is about to get medieval on our asses regardless of what your thermometer says in your backyard.
This hurricane has sustained winds 20 to 40 mph faster than the fastest hurricanes recorded. This is an actual record breaking storm capable of extreme damage. This one might not kill a lot of people or do a lot of damage due to its location but it shows the planet is now capable of pulling this shit off, or worse, routinely. They will probably need to change the scale to make a level 6 for hurricanes now. Likewise I suspect several of you will need to widen your personal range of confirmation bias in order to fit this event neatly into that story in your head.
Climate change was caused by the hundreds of above ground nuclear tests governments have conducted. Of course they will tell you it's C02 emissions which is absurd. The reason there is no Cat 6 type hurricane is because the scale is measured for structural damage. Paul Laviolette's SuperWave, google it. You will like it.
Climate change was caused by nukes, huh? Boy, can't wait to read that article or delve into that research. Where, oh smart one, can I find that info? Shut the fuck up already with your nonsense.
well, it's not caused by CO2:
http://notrickszone.com/2011/02/11/is-co2-warming-a-mirage/#sthash.VdgEE...
In summary: The ground surface is heated only by solar shortwave radiation. This heats the ground, which then radiates long wave IR back into the atmosphere. At the wavelengths where CO2 and water vapor are opaque, this IR is absorbed and heats the atmosphere. If CO2 increases, only the height at which this happens changes. This height is very close to the surface, on the order of 1 meter or less. Back radiation only happens if the air is warmer than the ground. At elevations above 1 meter, the atmosphere is in LTE and increased CO2 does nothing. At the TOA, increased CO2 can radiate to space, cooling the TOA.
What you don't know about radiative transfer fills many textbooks...
Some of them may even be in your local library...
But the real nugget of ignorance in the above is
This moron is claiming that a radiated photon knows the temperature of the body that will absorb it even before it has been emitted...
\facepalm^2
Prtmythirdeye: 'Climate change was caused by nukes, huh? Boy, can't wait to read that article or delve into that research. Where, oh smart one, can I find that info? Shut the fuck up already with your nonsense."
Read up about the Superwave.
Superwave >>>>>>>>(now documented by NASA) >>>Sun>>>Earth.
Causation and all that stuff...
Rapelomacy, re: Paul Laviolette's SuperWave.
You know...they all laughed at him in the mid 70's....... not so much anymore.
So the climate never changed before the 1940's??
Thanks for the heads up.
In fairness this one belongs (statistically) to El Nino. Katrina OTOH was probably ours.
True as that may be, their combined strength is creating extreme events. Worse yet is the self-reinforcing feedback loops that this phenomena will push further over the edge. See the melting permafrost in Alaska, for example, and it's probability of releasing gargantuan sized methane burps.
Fracking already does that on a large scale in via simultaneous multitude of small doses at a time (sheer # of wells). Nothing new under the sun, for all is vanity like grasping at the wind.
No, fracking does not do the same thing. Drilling sideways into huge shale formations is not equal to releasing methane from the depths of the ocean seafloor. Furthermore fracking is taking place in very different areas and at different depths. The methane stored in the arctic, the ocean floor, and the permafrost is not the same concentration as it is in areas where fracking is taking place. A warmer ocean, warmer air temperature, and warmer ground will release larger amounts of methane than has been previously dealt with.
Yeah maybe. Interesting stuff to think about I suppose. Can't worry about it in the end. The big problem is that we ran out of time about 40 years ago to deal with any of this. So it's hard now for me to get worked up over it. Given human nature -- and all the money to be made emitting carbon -- just can't see where it makes much sense give it any more thought.
Still, can't abide retards.
Another global warning Al Gore wannabe. Hey,genius. Did you see this?
But they just said that all of the older storms were reported with winds that were too high.
I guess because we didn't have any way of measuring wind speed in the 1950s. Kind of like how we didn't have thermometers either, right?
Nothing will stop the Global Warming agenda.
Just like they are claiming that all the temperature measurements from the '30s were too high. The official NASA temp database (GISS) is fascinating - pull up their data for world temperatures, and then pull up same as they archived in prior years....they have been lowering (and smoothing) temperatures from the first half of the 20th century. What, folks couldn't read a thermometer then? We're supposed to get excited over warming that 1) doesn't show up on satellite measurements, and 2) only shows up on the land records after you "massage" the past to cool it down? This isn't "as bad as economists", this is worse, and it is criminal malpractice of their duty to archive historical data records. NASA is crap these days.
I guess because like, technology changes and the ways we measured things in the 40's can't compare to the year 2015. Sometimes everything in life really isn't a conspiracy.
Technically those storms don't count, genius:
"However, it was later determined that measurements and estimations of wind speeds from the 1940s to 1960s were excessive. Thus, Nancy's winds may actually be lower than its official best-track value."
"Technically those storms don't count, genius". Of course they don't count! Because we didn't use petroleum way back then,so it wouldn't account for global warning! Those storms weren't as strong because gasoline.
What are you smoking? Like seriously, that must be some really, really good shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Camille
Hurricane Camille 900 MB at landfall in Texas 1969.
Most intense landfalling U.S. hurricanesIntensity is measured solely by central pressure Rank Hurricane Season Landfall pressure 1 "Labor Day" 1935 892 mbar (hPa) 2 Camille 1969 900 mbar (hPa) 3 Katrina 2005 920 mbar (hPa) 4 Andrew 1992 922 mbar (hPa) 5 "Indianola" 1886 925 mbar (hPa) 6 "Florida Keys" 1919 927 mbar (hPa) 7 "Okeechobee" 1928 929 mbar (hPa) 8 "Great Miami" 1926 930 mbar (hPa) Donna 1960 930 mbar (hPa) 10 Carla 1961 931 mbar (hPa)
Doesn't appear anything's going on in your head but msm babble.
MillionDollarAnus, dude, chill out, ok? Slam a few double rum and cokes. People worry too much around here. Why even bother worrying about something you have absolutely fucking no control over? That's like getting all freaked out by the chance of your house getting centerpunched into the mantle by a meteorite this evening.
Take a few deep breaths.... fucking relaxxxx ferrchrisssakes. It it makes ya feel better go shove a potato up your car exhaust followed by unloading a full tube of silicone after it to secure it in place. Ya know, do your little small part to stop Glo-Bull climate change.
There was once a troll here named MillionDollarBonus. We now have a new troll who wants to continue the legacy.
You fail to see the benefits of global warming (it is not happening as they say) and the reason is because it is about money and the propagandist who are profiting do not want you to see the benefits if it were true. By the way, a hundred billion dollars has been spent to make a case for global warming, none of it on research...none of it, not on real scientific research. It’s all on public relations. (That was in 2008, the figure is much higher now).
Consensus science is flag-warning for propaganda, profiteering, & centralized control of populations & further infringements on property rights & is NOT empirical science like HAARP. More people die from cold than heat. Growing seasons would be extended in many areas and other areas that cannot grow would be able to.
Since a vast majority of sea ice is below the sea; the melting would cause water levels to what? Think of the unique properties of ice; something the alarmist don't want you to think about. Antarctic ocean is growing (net).
The sun is what controls the amount of CO2 (96% clouds), a divine thermostat. If the earth receives more heat, then we get more cloud coverage, which then has a cooling effect. In the 70's they tried to scare people with the "Ice Age Approach"
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/06/29/scientists-and-studies-predict-im... (We are entering a 15 year cooling phase by the decrease in Solar activity, which is why they need to pass the International tax now, so they can declare victory; so expect it to be shoved down our throats and many people will profit and many will die as it always hurts the poor.) http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/06/29/scientists-and-studies-predict-im...
Besides God has said the seasons would continue and He further said when this hell hole has run its course He will destroy it with "fervent heat"; make any global warmist envious. Helps to ponder and think an issue through to a natural conclusion. Here is one to ponder; how does your belief about mans origins determine or shape your worldview concerning mankind and the universe? Use billions of years verses thousands of years. Use "apes to man" or "goo to you via the zoo". (Think genocide, infanticide, "superior vs inferior" humans, & eugenics as a thinking guide along with history) Good luck, but whatever view you have affects how you think of everything even though you may be unaware of it because you have not thought out the logical conclusions.
For people who are serious about looking at the other side of the "issue" and want the theological view on the topic; this should at least make you see things in a new Light. Title: "The End of the Universe, Part 2" http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/90-361/the-end-of-the-universe-part... (This preacher is very conservative and does not say things without due diligence unlike most people)
Did you used to live in Waco, Texas?