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It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response
Update: According to reports in on Monday evening, the USS Lassen has indeed sailed within 12 nautical miles of China's islands in the Spratlys.
As WSJ notes, "an American defense official confirmed Monday that the U.S. Navy ship navigated through the waters around at least one of the land masses to which China lays claim within the Spratly chain of islands in the South China Sea, crossing an area that China maintains is part of its sovereign territory."
WSJ also reiterates that this isn't likely to be a one-off event. As noted below, most "experts" believe that in order for this to be effective from a deterrence standpoint, the US will need to step up the patrols, presumably in an effort to prove to Beijing that the Pentagon is "serious", whatever that means in this context.
The ball is now squarely in China's court. The PLA has already promised to "stand up and use force" in the event its territorial sovereignty is violated. The question now is whether Beijing will back down and concede that "sovereignty" somehow means something different with regard to the islands than it does with respect to the mainland or whether Xi will stick to his guns (no pun intended) and take a pot shot at a US destroyer.
Earlier:
For anyone who might still be somehow unaware, the US is currently in a superpower staring match with both Russia and China. The conflict in Syria has put Moscow back on the geopolitical map (so to speak), creating an enormous amount of tension with Washington whose regional allies have been left to look on in horror as Russian airstrikes and an Iranian ground incursion dash hopes of ousting President Bashar al-Assad.
Meanwhile, in The South China Sea, Beijing has built 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory atop reefs in the Spratlys and although the reclamation effort itself isn’t unique, the scope of it most certainly is and Washington’s friends in the South Pacific are crying foul.
Beijing has continually insisted that it doesn’t intend to use the islands as military outposts, but the construction of runways and ports seems to tell a different story and so, Washington felt compelled to check things out over the summer by sending a Poseidon spy plane complete with a CNN crew to the area. Once the PLA spotted the plane the situation escalated quickly with the Chinese Navy telling US pilots to “Go Now!”
After that, an intense war of words developed with Defense Secretary Ash Carter insisting that the US would sail and fly anywhere it pleased and Beijing assuring the US that sailing within 12 nautical miles of the islands would prompt a harsh response from the PLA.
For weeks, the US was rumored to have been planning a freedom of navigation exercise in the Spratlys which, as we’ve pointed out several times this month, amounts to sailing by the islands just to see if China will shoot.
Now, according to CNN, Obama has given the green light and the ships may sail within 24 hours:
Just in: @USNavy prepared to sail w/i 12mi of China's manmade islands in #SouthChinaSea "w/i 24hrs", has POTUS approval -Def. Official
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) October 26, 2015
And more from FT:
The US navy is poised to start freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea in a high-stakes effort to push back against Chinese territorial claims over artificial islands in the disputed waters.
In a move that will enrage Beijing, the USS Lassen, a guided-missile destroyer, will sail inside the 12-nautical mile zones of two man-made islands — Subi and Mischief reefs — that China has built in the contested Spratly Island chain. A senior US defence official said it would sail through the area in the early hours of Tuesday morning.
China has repeatedly warned that it would not tolerate any effort to violate what it considers its territory. Earlier this month, a senior Chinese naval officer said the People’s Liberation Army would hand a “head-on blow” to any foreign forces that violated Chinese sovereignty. His comments came after the Financial Times reported that the US was poised to launch its operations.
The manoeuvre will mark the first time since 2012 that the US navy has sailed through the 12-nautical mile zone surrounding any islands claimed by China. It is aimed at demonstrating that Washington does not recognise any territorial claims over artificial islands in the South China Sea.
It's also worth noting that should the US manage to get away with this without sparking a shooting war with the Chinese, it now looks as though Washington is leaning toward making this a regular patrol. Here's a bit of color from Reuters out over the weekend:
A range of security experts said Washington's so-called freedom of navigation patrols would have to be regular to be effective, given Chinese ambitions to project power deep into maritime Southeast Asia and beyond.
"This cannot be a one-off," said Ian Storey, a South China Sea expert at Singapore's Institute of Southeast Asian Studies.
"The U.S. navy will have to conduct these kinds of patrols on a regular basis to reinforce their message."
But China would likely resist attempts to make such U.S. actions routine, some said, raising the political and military stakes. China's navy could for example try to block or attempt to surround U.S. vessels, they said, risking an escalation.
(USS Lassen)
Here are the latest visuals from Subi and Mischief (the two islands mentioned above):
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this borders on the insane. Here we have both Washington and Beijing risking an outright military confrontation over what amount to a couple of sandcastles and while there's probably some truth to the contention that China has plans for the islands that go beyond growing plants, building lighthouses, and raising pigs, it's not as though the PLA is going to invade The Philippines so at the end of the day, this looks like another example of what Vladimir Putin recently suggested is evidence that the world is losing its collective mind.
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Obama the fucking pussy won't do shit.....what scares me, are the neocons like that pink fucking tumor john mcinsane and co. The economy is getting worse so war is all that's left.
you didn't sink that !
Seriously would hate to be on that ship for that cruise.
Eh...
"over what amount to a couple of sandcastles"
No?
This is about control over any and all oil/gas resources in the contested area. The sandcastles are territorial markers and strategic points for China. This is China taking back control over its backyard and kicking the US screaming and hollering out the door.
The US Navy will get totally obliterated if they try this shit. China will make a point out of this and they will be in their right in regards to international law. A military incursion of their waters is an act of war by the US.
Lassen Come Home.
Worst case scenario the ship gets borded, sailed around a bit on orders from the Chinese back to "international waters" and everyone goes on their way.
Buck Ofama
Probably that destroyer will learn that on the bottom of the sea is written: Made in China
Better send more than one!
Send them good wishes
https://www.facebook.com/USSLASSEN
Early Tuesday morning there is right now... and the options market is closed!!
And 3 Chinese "Warships" will be here in Florida for *advance* payment for the kabuki theater they are participating in.
Im thinking....GOLD. Physical kind.
RIPS
Is the china man in this picture our china man or their china man?
Only takes one to get it going.
It's called the South "China" Sea right?
Pretty far from America,
Where is the Gulf of Mexico?
Where Hurricane Patricia just left.
next to mexico
"Better send more than one!"
You are right - if only one goes, that ship is going to be boarded and confiscated. We'll get the crew back in about a month.
Very interesting. Theoretically, situation looks a lot like pre first Punic war when Carthage naval superiority was denying and not allowing Rome to win until Rome took to destroy Carthaginian Naval power in direct confrontation. With US naval power destroyed or seriously damaged US proper might become vulnerable. But considering that it is US that needs something from others simple denial of access might do the job. Considering US financial situation and that US army and Navy are financed on other people's money going after this might be more effective. We do remember how quickly Soviet military went from premier power to total mess in 90's.
Money is a blood of all things military.
The author is DEAD WRONG here:"Here we have both Washington and Beijing risking an outright military confrontation over what amount to a couple of sandcastles..."
Even the UN recognizes the fact that building up an undersea reef to become an island will garner it the SAME territorial rights it had BEFORE becoming an island. This means there is likely no 12 mile standoff for some of the islands (the 2 the Navy picked to test are in this category) and there can certaily never be an 200 NM EEZ! Unless America stands up to this, China will control the international navigation in the Sout China Sea. The author must have no military or even diplomatic background. Give me the same resources and i would write a much better article than this pacifist hack.
I would not be surprised to hear of a US ship being sunk by mines as they are more passive aggressive.
you wouldn't be surprised to hear of a u.s. ship sunk by mines?
not even a little?
When does Barry start confiscating all those Chinese-owned McMansions in Kalifornia?
the day after the first bankster gets jailed?
Kahuna, you remind me of my International Affairs 101 course, when we were studying Berlin in the Cold War:
"We didn't put troops there to defend against the Communists. We put them there to die nobly so we could justify total war."
that's a distinction without a difference. mad was the primary defense against the soviets.
Unfortunately, it is like gambling - sometimes you up the ante to keep your competition at bay. Sometimes they go away, sometimes they call, sometimes they raise.
In this case it looks like we sent a destroyer through at a decent risk. If the Chinese do nothing here - they are going to look weak militarily. They acted like they would do something but did nothing? That will lose face.
3 big ones are coming, glad this getting interesting!
The problem here is that there is no element of surprise so expect the Chinese to have a plan.
Imagine they hack / board the USS Larson and sail it into a Chinese port and place all the sailors under arrest.
Remember this ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Iranian_seizure_of_Royal_Navy_perso...
" Yankeee go home! "
"Them that draws to straights and flushes, travel home on city busses"
This is stupid. I don't suppose team zero has gamed what the hell they think is going to happen if China calls their bluff (outside chance but still...) uhhh, nope.
How do you board a ship which can go faster than anything in the Chinese navy?
This should be an international armada.sailing through there. Freedom of navigation of the seas has to stay affirmed any and every time it is challenged. But if the USA has to assert this point alone, so be it.
Who exactly is not free to navigate these waters? Excluding the US Navy of course.
Seems we are about to find out.
There are about 300 miles of open water west of the new sand islands (centered in the Spartly Islands) and unless I'm missing something most ships can freely navigate through that? Small islands saturate the area and the east side but does not restirct any access to the Philipines or its islands. There is more too this than freedom of navigation.
hey wanker, maybe you should grab a rowboat and show us how it's done.
Cause that'ts not my fuckin job. My country has a navy, and it has the job of going anywhere and everywhere in tinternational waters, but especially such waters as suddenly become contested illegetimately. Its what they do.
LoL, your girlie flaps don't hang low enough that's the problem, only cowards send others to die. You're nothing but big mouthed pindoscoward.
With all of our recent military actions going so well, what could possibly go wrong here?
Well, I hope the Chinese don't end up shooting cause Obama might have to issue an executive order to confiscate all the Chinese guns.
I LOL'd...
Even stranger the Chinese demanded the US collect our guns.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2012/12/18/china-demands-us-c...
Via a twitter
"I king Obola declare this tweet a formal warning to immediately turn in all your guns!"
>> Peace prize 2
>> Put a queer nigger behind the trigger
But seriously, if that stupid fucking idiot really beleives "global climate change is the worlds biggest threat". Then he must beleive the rising seas will solve his problem. Right?
Don't forget to take the nuclear briefcase to the golf course.
that doesn't seem that bad. I think the worst case would be it gets sunk or shot up, prompting some kind of retaliatory attack, which causes another round of escalation ... and before you know it, Walmart is out of business.
I thought Walmart was doing that without a war.
And Yellen is off the hook for the crash.
Is this:
1/. Another Staged Event in the Thesis>Antithesis=Synthesis (US must do the theatre with China and RF so we can then all breath a sigh of relief as OWG is imposed)?
OR
2/. The NWO is coming unglued and the elite cabals are really starting to fight amongst themselves to get the biggest plate on the remnants table?
OR
3/. (your theory here)
Good clip about the reasons why China doesn't have a stronger claim than other regional 'heritage' inhabitants:
China's Massive Land Reclamation in the South China Sea Will Fail - 10 Reasons Why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdoJ84nSWjk
Good viewing on the Yale/Bones interest in China's 'opening up' since Kissinger/Nixon:
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-297-china-and-the-new-world-order/ (I find James Corbett to be one of the best researched and measured bloggers on line).
Here are some compelling docos with fascinating archive footage on China pre-Kissinger/Nixon...'Great Leap Forward' and 'Cultural Revolution'. China A Century of Revolution 1949/1976 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L6aTHtZF00
Chinese economic planning under Mao part 1of2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd2oUdH5SqA
Keep in mind also that China's 'modern' history arises from the British willful attempts to destroy the millenia old culture to subvert and assume control through the Opium Wars, after patient centuries of Jesuit infiltration. The collection of China under a Roman pope has been a laborious, slow project but the GloBAALists seem to be capable, as these points on the timeline indicate (snapshot from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Chinese_history):
1289
Franciscan friars begin missionary work in China
1516
First Portuguese contact by Jorge Álvares in Macau, followed up by Rafael Perestrello in Guangzhou.
1582
Jesuits begin missionary work in China
1626
Jesuit Nicolas Trigault writes the Xiru Ermu Zi, establishing the first system of romanization of Chinese.
1627
Polish Jesuit Micha? Boym first introduces the heliocentric model of the solar system into Chinese astronomy.
1659
Jesuits Martino Martini and Ferdinand Verbiest arrive in China, the former for the second time.
1682
Belgian Jesuit Antoine Thomas arrives in China.
1711
The British East India Company establishes a trading post in Guangzhou.
1750
French Jesuit Jean Joseph Marie Amiot is sent to China.
1807
Robert Morrison, the first Protestant missionary, arrives in China.
1839
First Opium War
Is BRICS a genuine alternative? Or the dipolar 'anti-thesis' to the Anglo/US dominant 'thesis', which ultimately makes way for a NWO 'synthesis'. Time will reveal, and we'll see (providing we still have a habitable plane/t from which to witness)…
How is it you left out the entire chapter about Hong Kong, Jardine Matheson, HSBC, and how that ties into the Opium Wars and intent of financiers to destroy (and profit therefrom) China?
Yep, agree that GHW Bush and Kissinger were at the forefront of sending Nixon to China, to 'open it up'.
Rockefeller.
And don't forget about who the Opium Wars were fought for...
On November 7, 1864, businessman David Sassoon, founding father of the Sassoon business dynasty, died in Pune, India. The trading empire he created spanned the globe, from what is now Mumbai on the western coast of India, via Shanghai and Hong Kong in China, all the way to London, England. It dominated world commerce in a number of commodities – most significantly opium – over the second half of the 19th century.
"Sassoon was born in Baghdad in 1832 to Saleh Sassoon, a businessman and leader of that city’s Jewish community (the clan claimed descent from a Spanish family, the Ibn Shoshans). When David Sassoon, who like his father served as treasurer to the governors of Baghdad, clashed with one of them, Daud Pasha, he moved his family to Persia in 1826, and then to Bombay by 1832.
Sassoon initially owned a counting house and a carpet warehouse, but soon began trading in everything he could, including, most profitably, opium. When China’s emperor tried to outlaw the drug, which cut a wide swathe of destruction through the population of the country’s coastal regions, the British responded with war. The result was the 1842 Treaty of Nanking, which earned the United Kingdom a free hand in selling opium in China."
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/this-day-in-jewish-history/this-day-i...
(The happy ending was when the Sassoon family married into the Rothschild family)
Thanks for the heads up...dont know much about that period, and simply dont have enough time to research EVERY detail about the shenanigans going on around the world that seem to be expanding and accelerating...thanks for your comment, will look at that..
American warships in South China Sea, and Chinese warships in South Florida sea. WTF?
What's the world coming to? Can't make sense who's playing for whom, w/o a playbook. /s
Hope you're right about that. The Chinese do not have a good sense of humor about these things and they play to win. Unlike DC. Our idiot leaders think everything is a crapshoot, a bet, a ruse, whatever. It's a wonder we're all still here.
This is when you know that smoking pot as a youngster makes you an toidi president.
They are not China's territorial waters, and never have been recognized as such by any nation or international entity such as the UN...
If you think that this destroyer is not being protected by a couple of nuclear attack subs as well I do not know what to tell you. The Chinese navy stands no chance against the subs, and they are not going to risk having their 'roaring' economy affected by this. This will be a case of saber rattling and strong words by both sides, and nothing more.
I don't think the attack subs could keep up with the destroyer. They'd have to sail to the islands in advance.
Attack subs are very fast. 20 knots (about 23 mph) but when pushed they will do 33 knots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles-class_submarine
The USS Lassen looks about as big as a smallish US Coast Guard cutter. I would not want to be in the Pacific on that small destroyer.
Can you say sacrifical lamb?
9200 tons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Lassen_%28DDG-82%29
are subs good against missiles?
Its more about sonar, depth charges & torpedoes, when dealing with subs, its the ships that have to worry more about sub missiles & torpedoes.
Firstly what the hell happened to International Maritime Law?
Secondly the islands are right in the Philippines back yard not China's
' law ' ?
Youre kidding, right ?
Its always been The Law of the Jungle and Might Makes 'Right'
We may hate that, but its true.
Its true on the international level and ultimately true right down to the neighborhood level.
There are MILLIONS of SE Asians of Chinese descent, whether its in Indonesia, Philippines, etc.
When white people do it, its called colonization and its a terrible sin.
aka "International Law" when handled by weasels - which is simply too often, for my taste
to me, this is hilarious, in a way. The Great Protector Of The Freedom Of The Seas was, for more then one and half century, Great Britain
you know, the 800-pound gorilla in the room until the US took over this role. in fact, the UK had to ram this right down the throat of the US, too, originally
and what is the UK doing? courting China. I will soon have to find a nickname for Britain, something like "The Western Chinese Isles"
come on, boyz and girlz, let's sing together:
Whose back yard was that Guantanamo thingy again? US? Oh wait - is it Cuban soil that US doesn't want to leave?
I won't even mention Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iraq or Afghanistan.
Okinawa? US back yard too?
i think we're sliding back into the might makes right thing.
history and law favor vietnam and the philippines.
might/right not so much.
the race is not always to the swift nor struggle to the strong, but that's the way to bet it.
- damon runyon
Hawaii? Virgin Islands? Puerto Rico? Guam? American Samoa? Marianas? Midway? Alaska? Texas? New Mexico? California?
The Monroe Doctrine.
Then let the Philippinios worry about it. Not worth a single American life.
Wrong. They created artificial islands in someone else's backyard.
China has no real claim here. Look at a map.
Like others said, this is saber rattling for the purposes of starting up an empire. This has been going on for a few years already.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarborough_Shoal_standoff
I was in China at the time; no one was talking about it over here. Regardless of what happens this time, the Chinese will keep pushing until met with enough force. If for no other reason than to keep their domestic population focused on external threats instead of the internal corruption culture.
Remember, not long ago ZH posted about the Chinese cop that got stomped to death + the fund manager that was dragged to jail by his investors. Things could go south over there very quickly. However, they, like us, tend to provoke a war to get their people's minds off what's being done to them locally.
Ma always said WWIII would start on a Tuesday.
Where did you get the idea that those are China's waters?
The islands are stolen.
They are in international waters and the US has every right to navigate them, pending their return to their rightful owners, the Philippines and Vietnam.
Clearly you have never heard of China's ridiculous 'nine-dash line", nor of UNCLOS.
The US had 70 years to build some such like for their close-by friends the Philippines.
I believe the area in question is claimed by 4 other countries as well.
It is within all their 200 mile limits.
China chose to ignore that and claim it anyway.
Check out a map, this isn't "China's backyard", its an ocean which is international territory.
If the British suddenly planted artificial islands in the North sea and declared a large chunk of it to be their sovereign territory it would be no less ludicrious. Cheer leading on China just because it isn't the US is blinkered, personally I would like to see a lot of other nations asserting their right to go where they please on the high seas, it would give the central planners in China a real headache and start to raise serious questions as to the value of the investment in making all these pointless islands.
Plenty of dumb asses who are willing to die for 250 dollars a week over a... reef in the middle of nowhere...Lets hope they don't air constant patriotic propaganda after they all died because the captain forgot he was steering the ship into a reef.
Reefer Madness
'Leefel Madness" you mean?
peeved for vlad's diss?
It can't be an easy decision for China to start a war with its biggest customer thus stressing its economy at a vulnerable time.
On the other hand this is all theater and they have already decided whether they will go to war for some reason.
The US is not China's biggest customer. China's biggest customer is distracted by other concerns.
Chief of Naval Operations, Sec of Defense, Sec of Navy, and all presidential candidates from Rs and Ds should be forced on board that ship. Should also include McCain and various radio & tv talk hosts.
How many of them would Then be gung-ho hawks ?
victoria nuland and her cookies should be the ship's figurehead.
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=pictures+of+ship's+figureheads&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Could be the USS Liberty all over again?
Seriously though (and blessings on the sacrificed lives by LBJ of honorable American sailors and Marines), who the fuck really cares?
They've offshored the jobs to China.
They've offshored the technology to China.
They've offshored the investment to China.
They've offshored our private personal data to China (or at least provided them with the opportunity to hack it by offshoring the coding of IT security government programs like Einstein 3 to China).
What the fuck!
Now all that is left is to offshore military lives????????
Maybe it's just for show? Whoever signs up for that show and PTSD needs applause.
Could be a excuse to sink the whole china navy & or confiscate there container shipping fleet, blockade there shipping lanes too. Sounds more possible then actually a land war. Crazy I know!
Does it have a trolling motor?
"We torpedoed some folks..."
"if you want your man-made islands you can keep your man-made islands"
Bbbut what the Nobel price?
Remember the Maine!
Remember the Gulf of Tonkin!
More False Flags are coming
Just FYI... the Maine was NOT sunk by Spain. It was sunk by an onboard explosion.
That WAS the point he was making.
The USS Maine.
The USS Liberty (LBJ and Isreal on a deal to sink an intel vessel at sea, blaming it on Egypt, but for a Soviet intel vessel which observed it and began broadcasting the Israeli attack to the rest of the world, which halted it).
The contrived Gulf of Tonkin, which evidently worked better than the USS Liberty (no sailors or Marines killed this time around, at least).
Ummm... what stopped the attack on the Liberty was a pair of interceptor jets loaded for bear flying off the USS America (CVA 66). It is my understanding that the Israelis were returning to the Liberty to "finish the job" when the America jets radioed them to turn around and go home or they would be shot down. The Israeli jets turned around and left. The America was also transporting the wounded from the Liberty to her sickbay and providing emergency medical care.
I heard McCain's old man recalled F4 Phantoms early in the attack. Then he slow sailed the US Navy to help survivors. The Russians were the first to offer medical aid. Russia has beena Christian country for 1,000 years except for 80 years of Bolshevik aka Zio control.
OK...............Perhaps our "destroyer" is already rigged to destroy itself.
Chinese could ask the Israelis for advice on how to almost but not quite sink a USS navy ship, blame it on the Syrians and get the Russians to come rescue it before the Americans
Remember that rumor about a Russkie fighter buzzing a US warship and knocking out all the ships radar systems ?
Well, if the Chinese also have that (alleged) technology, now would be a good time to show it. If the US ship quickly & mysteriously withdraws . . .
Yeah. I remember it. It was worth a small chuckle. (ie NOT credible.)
Flashbacks to the Gulf of Tonkin 1964
http://fair.org/media-beat-column/30-year-anniversary-tonkin-gulf-lie-launched-vietnam-war/
Remember the Maine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_(ACR-1)
Or, the Lusitania.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania
Pearl Harbor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kiWphCXQg
I can barely remember what happened yesterday.
Amen, brother...
what ?
Remember the Liberty !
Remember liberty?
Forget liberty.
Is it not ironic that Israel almost sunk US liberty? Maybe there is hope for the future in that regard.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/10/24/israel-s-attack-on-the-liberty-re...
The historical facts on the Lusitania, which few are aware of, and I first came across from reading everything written by Wall Street sycophant, John Moody (original Moody founder of Moody Investment Services, etc.), was that the German subs which sank it were sold to them by the shipyards owned by Carnegie and Schwab, via Canada.
And Carnegie, on his so-called and highly disingenuous "Peace trips" to Germany, was really about sales trips to the Kaiser.
History is often a load of bullcrap, and yes the Lusitania was carring munitions inbound to England, so both countries were guilty of war crimes!
I thought that was a very interesting point, as a school boy. Germany accused America of using civilian vessels to transport war munitions, and America's only response was "They sunk a civilian vessel! How did they know there were munitions on board? Uuh, I mean, allegedly on board?"
German optics makers sold rifle scopes to the English and French armies during WWI.
Fact.
Who's dad was in charge out there that night on the Gulf of Tonkin for US Navy?
Who's dad later spoke up about the USS Liberty which ruined his career?
Then his son started having lots of police problems when Admiral dad dad spoke up about the Liberty.
And who's son ended up dead mysteriously in a certain district in Paris from a heroin overdose even though he did not do heroin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0CWC9aLTl8
Ronald McDonald?
(Had to sneak that in because according to latest polls, when 9 out of every 10 Americans are questioned as to who Joe Biden is, they don't know, but the same exact number does know when asked who Ronald McDonald is.
Which is really far more important to know . . .)
Um, lemme guess... Admiral McStain?
No Admiral Morrison.
Admiral McStain was the one who recalled US Navy F4 Phantoms dispatched to protect the USS Liberty.
The McCain's have been seeling out American sailors and soldiers for close to 100 years. I am sure his great grandaddy admiral was another sell out.
Did I go to sleep and wake up on planet WTF? Is there no end to their disregard for consequences?
break on through to the other side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqLdDKy2XUQ
Whose not who's
They have to remember that we have three chineese destroyer at our docks.
yes three ships from the PLAN;
the Duk,
the Dahj,
and the Heid
How about two cops in a rowboat?
Would be bullish to visit their reef docks today, guts !
Whoopsy.
Stinks of a once great nation that now reeks from corruption and financial ruin. Desperate moves from desperate leaders.
District of Columbia and POTUS you all f'kd up.
The American people got sold out about 1831 if not sooner. Andrew Jackson was almost killed because he opposed central banks. They tried to kill him more than once. They got Abe, Garfield, McKinley, JFK all due to them wanting gold/silver back currencies and no central banks.
Yes & no!
It wasn't so much that they were gold or silver backed, it was that the money issued was . . .
DEBT-FREE,
Not
DEBT-BASED!
The banksters, or lords of money, demand debt peonage, and their way of achieving that is by issuing debt-backed or debt-based monies.
You confuse people by not explaining that.
in many ways that is a more crucial distinction than fiat or precious metals based.
as long as the metals are not manipulated and are freely available to be acquired as assets, fiat can work as a transaction facilitator.
we see what debt based money brings.
Freeshitter - You stupid shit and the 26 that gave you a thumbs up. YOU WANT HIM TO START A WAR?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the fucking armchair generals can NOT WAIT TO START ANOTHER MAJOR WAR and if Obama doesn't, then he's a pussy. FUCK YOU SHITHOLES AND YOUR WARMONGERING THEME. Why don't don't you just join UFC and get it out of your system? Or you fucking socialistic pricks just want to spend other people's money for the bombs and other gear? If it was coming DIRECTLY and SPECIFICALLY from the warmongering American pricks, you'd change your tune in a heartbeat.
"Hey Dear! We got our portion of the bill for my war hobby again. Gosh, its $147,572 this month. Looks like we might have to postpone getting that pool after all. We'll just have to take the kids to the community pool."
WE CANNOT AFFORD WAR. The more money we flush down the toilet on this shit, the worse our inflation is going to be.
Obama is a traitor no doubt, but how many times do I have to hear about how weak and what a pussy he is? Which means all the halfwits making those comments are only interested in ESCALATING every confrontation around the globe.
Point taken (after navigating through the CAPS tirades). It's divided opinion on whether the next war will hasten or prolong the coming collapse.
Hummm... do I remember it correctly? The US/world was in an economic toilet in the 20s and 30s, then WW II came along and Happy Days were here again - until the war ended then the economy went back in the shitter for a few years. Am I remembering that right?
I don't think that people in Europe would agree with your view of that time period.
Somehow I cannot imagine them referring to it as
"Happy Days".
The US greatest scam - starting wars in other countries for profit.
Kalibr says next war will be on (as in directly involve) US territory.
The US greatest scam - starting wars in other countries for profit.
Kalibr says next war will be on (as in directly involve) US territory.
eruth you are so right. but obama and bush before him are weakling bullies.
it feels good to insult them with it but, as you note, it just makes them and their supporters spend blood and treasure we do not have faster and faster.
Hey! This the the Big Opportunity for Bath House to have the boat surrounded, order its surrender, and turn over all TS and crypto stuff to the ChiComs! What a devious plan!
FreeShitter -- If you think there is an Iota of difference between bathouse Barry, McStain, Boner, Ryan, Pelosi, Hitlery you havent been paying attention.
Point number 2, is China wont piss off its biggest customer
Point number 3, a quarter point raise would likely send china back to the stone age.
'END TIMES' approaching!
More here......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/10/time-travel-is-no-l...
I think we are going to have to wait and see what happens t the next shemetah....
A very good reason to vote against the debt limit increase.
More debt allows more war.
What is any American getting out of the ME wars or sending a boat to annoy the Chinese? All this insanity does is allow continuing to spend money effeciently : The military burns $ to less actual result than any other possible use, at least if we don't value the deaths of foreigners at the few $000s they budget for accidental deaths in Afghanistan or Iraq.
I think we should waste money in less efficient ways.
The little faggot on the playground that nobody else wants to play with is now doing what it takes to get all the kids not wanting to play with him in trouble and demanding everybodies attention. Honeslty ask yourself what is the purpose, to dare the Chinese to sink our ships? If China does defend their waters what does Obama have as a contengency plan, what school yard teacher is going to come to his aid? China has a fleet of Nuclear Subamarines sailing off of our West Coast, with more than enough Nuclear Missiles to vaporize all of the major cities in California, Oregon, and Washington. China has specifically built missiles to take out our aircraft carriers, and we cannot counter them, and China's airborne troops have been training on a attack of US bases in the area for over 25 years now.
What is Obama trying to achieve other than war? Freedom of Navigation? That's like trying to re-live a wetdream with a Kardashian, even if you pulled it off your end is near.
"a wetdream with a Kardashian"
Now, that is just sickening, why would you say that? Those nasty ass sluts are gonna be 400 lbs by the time they hit 45.
Those soldiers that have been training for the past 25 years are a bit old now.
Besides the Navy is now proudly flying the Rainbow banners.
There will not be a confrontation because the Chinese men do not want their tight little assholes probed by the new and inclusive US Navy.
when we back down from this, the world finds out we do not have a bark or bite. We might have a bit of lunacy at somepoint.
Its after market, this should be good for a few hundred dow points up, 10bps off the 10 year and knock gold down 25.
It is also another reason for yellen to have "concerns" that our economic recovery, cough cough, might be at risk.
what's this we whiteman?
Need big conflict soon. Markets can't hold up much longer. Need something/someone to blame. Russia boxed Oturd in in ME. China's turn