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It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response
Update: According to reports in on Monday evening, the USS Lassen has indeed sailed within 12 nautical miles of China's islands in the Spratlys.
As WSJ notes, "an American defense official confirmed Monday that the U.S. Navy ship navigated through the waters around at least one of the land masses to which China lays claim within the Spratly chain of islands in the South China Sea, crossing an area that China maintains is part of its sovereign territory."
WSJ also reiterates that this isn't likely to be a one-off event. As noted below, most "experts" believe that in order for this to be effective from a deterrence standpoint, the US will need to step up the patrols, presumably in an effort to prove to Beijing that the Pentagon is "serious", whatever that means in this context.
The ball is now squarely in China's court. The PLA has already promised to "stand up and use force" in the event its territorial sovereignty is violated. The question now is whether Beijing will back down and concede that "sovereignty" somehow means something different with regard to the islands than it does with respect to the mainland or whether Xi will stick to his guns (no pun intended) and take a pot shot at a US destroyer.
Earlier:
For anyone who might still be somehow unaware, the US is currently in a superpower staring match with both Russia and China. The conflict in Syria has put Moscow back on the geopolitical map (so to speak), creating an enormous amount of tension with Washington whose regional allies have been left to look on in horror as Russian airstrikes and an Iranian ground incursion dash hopes of ousting President Bashar al-Assad.
Meanwhile, in The South China Sea, Beijing has built 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory atop reefs in the Spratlys and although the reclamation effort itself isn’t unique, the scope of it most certainly is and Washington’s friends in the South Pacific are crying foul.
Beijing has continually insisted that it doesn’t intend to use the islands as military outposts, but the construction of runways and ports seems to tell a different story and so, Washington felt compelled to check things out over the summer by sending a Poseidon spy plane complete with a CNN crew to the area. Once the PLA spotted the plane the situation escalated quickly with the Chinese Navy telling US pilots to “Go Now!”
After that, an intense war of words developed with Defense Secretary Ash Carter insisting that the US would sail and fly anywhere it pleased and Beijing assuring the US that sailing within 12 nautical miles of the islands would prompt a harsh response from the PLA.
For weeks, the US was rumored to have been planning a freedom of navigation exercise in the Spratlys which, as we’ve pointed out several times this month, amounts to sailing by the islands just to see if China will shoot.
Now, according to CNN, Obama has given the green light and the ships may sail within 24 hours:
Just in: @USNavy prepared to sail w/i 12mi of China's manmade islands in #SouthChinaSea "w/i 24hrs", has POTUS approval -Def. Official
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) October 26, 2015
And more from FT:
The US navy is poised to start freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea in a high-stakes effort to push back against Chinese territorial claims over artificial islands in the disputed waters.
In a move that will enrage Beijing, the USS Lassen, a guided-missile destroyer, will sail inside the 12-nautical mile zones of two man-made islands — Subi and Mischief reefs — that China has built in the contested Spratly Island chain. A senior US defence official said it would sail through the area in the early hours of Tuesday morning.
China has repeatedly warned that it would not tolerate any effort to violate what it considers its territory. Earlier this month, a senior Chinese naval officer said the People’s Liberation Army would hand a “head-on blow” to any foreign forces that violated Chinese sovereignty. His comments came after the Financial Times reported that the US was poised to launch its operations.
The manoeuvre will mark the first time since 2012 that the US navy has sailed through the 12-nautical mile zone surrounding any islands claimed by China. It is aimed at demonstrating that Washington does not recognise any territorial claims over artificial islands in the South China Sea.
It's also worth noting that should the US manage to get away with this without sparking a shooting war with the Chinese, it now looks as though Washington is leaning toward making this a regular patrol. Here's a bit of color from Reuters out over the weekend:
A range of security experts said Washington's so-called freedom of navigation patrols would have to be regular to be effective, given Chinese ambitions to project power deep into maritime Southeast Asia and beyond.
"This cannot be a one-off," said Ian Storey, a South China Sea expert at Singapore's Institute of Southeast Asian Studies.
"The U.S. navy will have to conduct these kinds of patrols on a regular basis to reinforce their message."
But China would likely resist attempts to make such U.S. actions routine, some said, raising the political and military stakes. China's navy could for example try to block or attempt to surround U.S. vessels, they said, risking an escalation.
(USS Lassen)
Here are the latest visuals from Subi and Mischief (the two islands mentioned above):
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this borders on the insane. Here we have both Washington and Beijing risking an outright military confrontation over what amount to a couple of sandcastles and while there's probably some truth to the contention that China has plans for the islands that go beyond growing plants, building lighthouses, and raising pigs, it's not as though the PLA is going to invade The Philippines so at the end of the day, this looks like another example of what Vladimir Putin recently suggested is evidence that the world is losing its collective mind.
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Glug, Glug, Glug.......
No foresight.... we shoulda had our derdgers right out there one atoll over and have built a few islands for the Flips...
LOL
I think the Chinese are being provocative douchebags. But those islands are a fait accompli. You lost your chance to do anything about this years back, Obozo you fucking clown. Trying to contest this point is like trying to contest the accession of Crimea into the Russian Federation. Being unable to bend; being unwilling to fold a bad hand ever - this is a mental pathology and one that will burn us all in fire if we don't get a grip on it.
damned if you do damned if you don't
I understand that the Chinese moves are imperial and aggressive, and that's America's m.o. - but why not go to the UN rather than more of this world police shit?
They are unlikely to sink a destroyer - but stop and board it?
I think they have to at this point.
The Chinese will NOT board the DD without much loss of life... and many of those, if not most of them, will be chinese sailors.
The FIRST and most important mission of the US Navy is to maintain Freedom of the Seas for ALL people and nations. PERIOD!!!
It's a "Global Force For Good" LMAO.
Stop and Board a US naval ship... That will be interesting, the only thing boarding that ship will be divers as you will need to sink it to board it, its not an airplane and the seamen have guns, lots of guns..
Hope the Chinese sink the Medgar Evans first.
If I was oBama, I'd start a conflict to evetually abolish the election.... so I could continue to destroy America. And don't talk about the Constitution, we no longer have one!
Theatre! No shot will be fired by either side unless of course, the writer intends the ship to be sunk for a bigger dramatic sequel yet to be written
Gold just closed down a dollar after a dull trading day. Energy prices fell. Odds of a war with China? Zero. Russia? Zero.
Guys, how have we all forgotten the eWar incident with the Russians and a certain US destroyer? Do you really think Russia has not given that tech to China or China at least learnt how to do it? If China wants to, it can shut the lights off on that ship and send out some tugs to drag it away while the Americans sunbathe on the deck. Unless they've hardened AEGIS since then. Which I doubt.
Barry's navy in for another embarrassing outing into less than friendly waters.
Without the combat data links aegis doesn't work very well,no triangulation
to compute interception vectors.
The only way to secure the aegis system from electronic jamming is to cut
the combat data links.
A very expensive pile of junk looks very pretty though.
Next.....
The US is hardly sending an aircraft carrier, it's just a little boat, even if China fires at it they may miss it.
ROTFLMBO!!!! You know nothing.
Yeah, that is all we can really afford.... I see O'BooBoo in the prow of an inflatable boat with a megaphone...
Obama got kicked in the arse by Putin...so the Spratley's are just a diversion.
China has the WU -14 - It can cover the diameter of the planet in an hour and is nuclear capable - In fact it can 'arrive' basically before it 'leaves' - If the US think they can take on China and Russia then there reallly is no hope for them - China (as Russia did to the Donald Cook) will turn US ships into floating bathtubs - they won't even have to fire a shot !
Be sure to say hello to Project Thor's big brothers when those US high cards get played.
Had to think of: I'll shoot the living shit out of you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHFt7HS_S1M
Do you remember when the US was threatened with nuclear war over Germany's Black Forest, the Rhine, the Cologne Cathedral, and delicious beer instead of a giant Chinese sand bar? Pepperidge Farms remembers...
If the reports are actually accurate, which is always questionable...the Chinese are not like U.S.; they will fire back if indeed that is what they stated.
>Chia Knees got marbles for balls - won't act
>Chia Knees take a cue from Putin, grow 24LB pairs of bowling balls - will sink U.S. ships
I hate when I agree with Obama.
But I think sending a single destroyer is a wuss show of force. Although losing a carrier group might be seen as "provacative."
In the midst of all this dick waving, exactly how do we ascertain whether or not the Navy has crossed the Rubicon, other than shots being fired?
Don't ask, don't tell, and don't drop the soap in the shower either.
Being cut off from asian porn would be a sure sign...
When you hear of wars and rebellions, don't be alarmed. Indeed, these things must take place first, but the end won't come right away."
Then He told them: "Nation will be raised up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be violent earthquakes, and famines and plagues in various places, and there will be terrifying sights and great signs from heaven.Go ahead an shoot you little twinks. Let's see how the Chinese economy does without any exports to the USA.
Yes, the USA will suffer too. We'll have to pay an extra 1% at Walmart when production is shifted to Vietnam, Cambodia, and the Philippines.
Ha just 1%? Oh sure and what about all the iPhones and everything else? They've got all the factories, but you're gonna switch your EBT buying power to Vietnam. Dipshit.
THe iPhones are assembled by Foxconn, aka Hon Hai Precision, a Taiwan company. their margin on assembling an iPhone is about $2. They have been doing assembly on the mainland because the slaves were plentiful and cheap. But if Apple tells them to do it in Vietnam and use more machines... well, they were going in that direction anyway.
Of course you would know all of that already, if you had a clue about the Chinese economy. But you don't, so consider this a free introductory lesson.
You're welcome.
China must be giggling - The stampede to join the AIIB shows that the US has no real allies - Obama has to twist 'some folks arms' and give them copious amounts of freshly printed dollars AND keep the whole thing SECRET - to FORCE them to sign the TPP !
Which is a good point. Where is the "coalition" ?
If there is a war the OWNERS of the central banks need to be hunted down first. Second, go after the ones who take us to war.
99.9% of the world's populations has no desire for war.
Which is why (and I've said this before): Use Word or Excel to keep a List of Who's Who.
Be sure to make a printed hardcopy (appended regularly), as a backup to the power or www going down.
You can cross-reference them to Suspects/Perps who are Public or Private, Local, State, Federal, Domestic, Foreign...
How's it go again? "Be nice to people on your way up, as you will meet them again on your way down".
Moar abject lunacy from lil scamBO and the Douche Central crowd. Invested in straight jackets for the dragkings & dragqueens sitting upon the DC ivory throne long ago. Looks like a big pay off coming as china & russia tip over the chit house. I can't even call it gubernment. Sewage yes! Looks more like the District of Cesspool going to cover the landscape. I smell it but haven't sceen the drone pics yet.
The “Empire of Debt” operating under borrowed money from the banksters is spending money like a drunken sailor. Congress is deliberating over raising the debt ceiling. We cannot even pay the interest on the money that we have already borrowed from the banksters. INSANE you ask?
If debt is wealth, we must be the richest ass-holes on Earth! Ha. Ha. Ha.
Using an American naval ship for target practice is completely insane and shows a total disregard for the safety of the crew.
Another Gulf of Tonkin incident. Just what the Doctors ordered!
Ah, but how many transgendered, non-cisphobic seamen can China field?
This is completely retarded. It's like they're in grade school.
A whole destroyer, from the sounds of ZH over the last couple of weeks I was expecting the 7th Fleet. Over sold as usual.
I don't know about the 7th Fleet, but it just so happens that two US Carrier Strike Groups are in the vicinity:
http://thesaker.is/u-s-carrier-strike-groups-locations-map-oct-23-2015/
Greenpeacers are so provocative with legal Japanese whalers .... why don't those cunts protect these once pristine atolls ?
They don't care atoll.
The US grand coalition against China falters, Australia, New Zealand and British navy refused to be involved as they described bilateral relations between China and US, also Vietnam (allowing Russian air tankers to land), Philippines (before elections) , Taiwan, South Korea are awful shy to join this futile and meaningless stunt with their bathtub boats for sole benefit of their master.
US influence is dying in the region except for Japan militarists who may still back down out of this farce in last minute.
Wouldn't it be funny, if the Chinese send a boat to deliver Chinese food and Fortune Cookies? It would show that the Chinese have witt & humor, even in tense conditions.
The USN boys wouldn't know whether to eat, shit, laugh or cry.
Sciutto is a 60-IQ moron, a useful tool for the agitprop machine.
What does one do with the bully on the block? Give him a shiner and watch him run home to mommy.
I have to laugh when I see a headlines with Obamas name in it. Like he called the Navy and told them and gave them an order? Fuck'n stupid mulatto, who can only read the scripts that are handed to him. I'd love to see him in a fist fight with anyone...even Michelle.
Only thing Obama orders is more crack from his dealer
My moneys on Michelle, TKO within like 15 seconds, just long enough for him to scream like a little girl...
My money is on Michael - too big and too strong !
Hope the crew brought the Coppertone with them. They could be getting a Sunburn real soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbPFEpJSRT8
Doubtful... but it could be an exercise to test a defense from them? They've been around for a while. No tech goes for very long without becoming obsolete.
Put a couple US Senators on that ship and see how good of an idea they think this is.
Nope. Not enough,
It should be manned entirely by the children of those in Senate & Congress who support such actions
Screw that... lets empty out Washington and put them ALL on the boat...and then maybe make a reality show about it...
Sew Go-pros onto their foreheads. I want to see the videos.
The USN is dry.
They'd all be DTing 12 miles out.
Join the Navy see the world they said.. More Likely to see a C-802 / Yakhont at mach 2.5 for a very brief time..
Navy elistment just dropped.
"this looks like another example of what Vladimir Putin recently suggested is evidence that the world is losing its collective mind."
Let me do this again, "this looks like another example of what Vladimir Putin recently suggested is evidence that the USA is losing its mind."
Fixed it for you.
Thank you and good day.
It's all intended. The handlers of the US want all of this, it's not a mistake.
Looks like those two Chinese destroyers bound for Mayport Florida are not carrying the "good delivery" that George Soros' & Co were expecting!
I finally looked into this Washington Institute, given how widely they are cited, even with regard to things there are much better experts on:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/that-silly-chilly-syria-piece-does-...
suffice to say a quick glance at their BoD should assure you of their objectivity and integrity:
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/about/board-of-directors
wow.
Is this the gay Navy or the rainbow brigade including trannies?
In fact, today's Navy has a large crew complement of women. Even on active ships like Carriers and Cruisers. Not unusual at all to see the Sea and Anchor details man the rails coming into port and count 20-30 women mixed in with the male crew. Mind you, that is a far cry from when I was a sailor. We really did only have the odd gay male and trannie to liven things up for those of that bent. The straight sailor of today does not need to go ashore on liberty. From my sources still inside the Navy, the girls aboard ships today do double duty. "And that ain't no bullshit neither"!
Oh no, you mean the War on Women has struck the Navy
So, now you can get both shafted and promoted? Wow.
Are the Founding Fathers spinning in their graves? Somebody go and check.
little entrepreneurs
The chicks might be on carriers and destroyers but they get to do some submarine duty as well. Anchor babies Away !
Dont ask / *do* tell...
That might not be a bad thing, though. They could make 'war' safer, you know, instead of bombs and bullets, they could have pillow fights...
What if the Chinese Politbureau needs a war to distract its population?
It's the Amcom administration launching the exercise, not the Chicoms.
Tweaking the panda's tail may seem like a good idea, but China is in a contraction. A lot of slaves were hoping to make it into the middle class. With that dream dashed, war is one solution to distract the masses.
There's some real wild cards in the PLA-N.
I hope the lone skipper has got balls as big as church bells because O-Bozo would just as soon rename the Lassen to the Liberty.
Rest assured there are a half dozen attack submarines on station already.
But this is a new age of hyper sonic anti-ship missiles.
Aren't there some Chinese ships tied up in Florida?
Prisoners' Dilemma Swap.
And I hope there will be no need for a prisoner swap because the crew of the Lassen will be on the bottom of the ocean.
I love ZH, been here for a long time too but don't post much. It seems that the morons who post on CNBC and MW are infultrating ZH. Obama got a call and was told this was going to happened and he listened. This isn't happening because of two sand castles this is happening because this is what the powers that be want. A world war.
well, why the 12 mile comment? Why 12 miles specifically?
http://www.globelaw.com/LawSea/ls82_1.htm#part_ii_territorial_sea_and_co...
It is almost like they are respecting the islands 'territorial' boundaries by not pushing the 12 mile boundary.
What is O'Golfer worried about? Aren't these islands going to be washed away by climate change?
Yeah, what is up with O'Bongo these days... really seems to have his(/her) panties in a wad these days. Did he have a fight with his boyfreind, I wonder?
Likely outcome will be US destroyer sails within 12 mile perimeter of disputed man made islands and China does nothing militarily but lodges a protest. However, China continues to expand man made islands and enlarge presence. International maritime lawyers will make a fortune and China exports to US continue to increase fed by US deficits. Meanwhile EU welfare state collapses due to huge migration inflow from Middle East thanks to US policies. China then offers to take Middle East refugees to populate newly made islands. Perfect !
Tempest in a teapot.
For now.
From the enemy alien President Chrinicles......
Flashback 2013
http://www.cpf.navy.mil/news.aspx/030125"
"Scrap it, it's stuck, no matter what dont attempt a tow and damage the reef"
(scrap it in the most expensive way possible too, ACV ship $600M)
http://maritime-executive.com/article/Chinese-Vessel-Ground-Along-Tubbat...
BTW the South Pacific has more than 100,000 of square miles of coral reef.
The people are far too informed to support a WAR these days - there is only one aggressor and they have been well and truly exposed - wouldn't be surprised if their own NAVY walked out on them !
I go along with the 'theatre of the absurb' comments. If all of those gorgeous chinese femtroops rush to one side of the island to watch yankiboat, the island is sure to tip over.
Xi Ping to announce that a visit from our american colleagues is most welcome in view of the warm reception of vessels in Florida.. All assstance will be given to avoid uncharted sand bars and floating mines which appear to be a left over from Vietnam war.
These Chinese femtroops?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cbMLeeV1ww
Oh my lord, the ones in pink, the coalition of the willing comes to mind.
China has limited viable options outside violence. And I am sure the USA is banking on that fact. Sailing into 12 mile limites without being detained, would prove that the waters are international and not Chinese. Big stakes here!
Obama is an incompetent puppet of the CIA/NSA/Pentagon. We should accept at this point that the "Deep State" is very real. Men like Obama and Bush sit in the White House at the behest of Military, Corporate, Spy and Banking powers who collectively act as a "Deep State".
China has had it's bluff called, if it lets the USN sail around inside China's declared limit, it forfits the 12 mile limit and the larger maritime economic zone around the islands.
Stay tuned!
Sailing into that zone won't prove a thing. China will go about its business and soon there will be an entire Navy there protected by subs and mines. US isn't going to fire a shot, and China wins. Hell, that shp might as well be Kerry's yacht.
China has plenty of options:
- Collect tons of gold, to be put on the 3 warships in Miami.
- Make Walmart, Target, Costco... stuff even crappier and still make money
- Back the CNY with Gold
- Dump the UST's in one fell swoop
- Stop using BIS, kick-start own version (in global Beta-testing now)
- Block Straits of Hormuz and safeguard Straits of Malacca.
- Roll a few million Chinese into Afghanistan, and build the Iran-China pipeline (and buy all the Opium from the Taliban, using UST's, then re-sell it in Mexico and Central America)
- Get Qatar to finish the short underwater gasline to Iran, or sell all of it to China, in CNY.
...
The Neocons are living on borrowed time -- if the Ruskies, Chinese and other countries (who are fed up with US bullying) play it cool and smart.
My personal guess is that the Chinese will force the Ladden to TBone a fast patrol boat, or the Chinese themselves will do the TBoning, and the Ladden will end up being disabled and dead in the water, perhaps towed away a la USS Pueblo (remember that during the war in Vietnam, up in North Korea)...
Lassen. Not Ladden. Lassen is a destroyer. Ladden is a one-man submarine.
China has an easy option - disable it ! US will of course say it didn't happen - Just like the Donald Cook !
The foreign policy of a preschooler.
How about a ship from every NATO nation...instead of one destroyer?????
Thats All you need.
WTF does the north atlantic treaty have to do with the south china sea?
I see more and more Chinese people every day around here (although not as many as the Indians). If this WW3. Should we start rounding them up as enemies and putting them in FEMA camps ????
IT'S ON, IT'S ON, IT'S ON !!!
lol
"Lassen Come Home"
Target practice for the PLA!
So is this Rothchilds plan to bring the U.S. and China out of recession?
Difference being that those "artificial islands" won't sink if half of the South China Sea is a minefield, so yeah, about those "patrols on a regular basis"...
It costs money to sail battleships around islands, money that the U.S. of A. doesn't have. Eventually the American empire will do a U.S.S.R. type ecomonic implosion. The hundreds of bases will be shuttered, the ships will come home to rust in dock yards. The Chinese must know this, that what can't continue won't continue, as soon as America's credit card is taken away the game ends. China has nothing to gain in a shooting war to say the least. A shooting war isn't in the cards here at all, it's just a pissing match. All the Chinese need do is have patience, something they're good at. American military vessels sailing past aren't a threat, just an annoyance, the Chinese can play the annoyance game as well and do it cheaper. The Americans spend money like cost is no matter. What it really comes down to is the economies of the opponents, who's economy folds first ? China must understand that calling America's bluff doesn't mean starting a war, it means ignoring them, they won't do anything but sail past like tourists, watching as China continues building. Let the Americans do the escalating if they're stupid enough to. It's the Americans who have over reached, they are over extented everywhere on earth. Just like Rome America is rotton on the inside while facing increasing pressure from the outside. All that is needed is to wait.
With John Kerry riding the bow and screaming, "I'm king of the world!"
Kerry served in Viet Nam you know
Which side?
PARTY TIME!!!!!
Media accounts of the Spratly’s read like a prelude to bad times. How convenient.
The Chinaman ain't going spaspastic over a drive by. Inferring that he will equates him with a non rational actor.
Be weary of a Gulf of Tonkin like event
The madmen have definitely taken over the American asylum. I plan to get out of the USA for a while, coming back only after I can be sure that this confrontation does not result in the total destruction of New York City!
No shit...!!
I finally convinced my wife to leave this shithole, NYC. Leaving in Nov 16 for good.
I don't think she's convinced for the reasons of it being a massive target for attack or the potential for breakdown in social order and resulting martial law.
Instead, I realized it would be easier to convince her it would be in the best interest of our baby to be raised in the country.
Whatever it takes....
I'm out...!! Now let shit get real.
Tick tock....tick tock...
Just a friendly word of advice. The South is full.
Drone strikes in Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia; stirring the shit in Lybia, Syria, Kurdistan, Iraq... now this shit, you just wanna nominate this president for a Nobel Peace Prize.
I feel sorry for this crew. This has the USS Liberty written all over it. Pentacon fuktards are gambling on the Chinese flinching. The Chinese are feeling lucky and righteous and see the Americans as weak and vascillating. The Chinese fire on the USS Liberty, er Lassen, then what... the US starts WWIII over some Philipinne pissing holes? The Chinese capture the ship and crew and hold them all prisoner. Your move Professor.
Allowing the establishment of those islands and the territory China wants to go with it is a clear and present threat to the United States. A few islands today are toll booths and launching platforms of military force tomorrow. China is spending immense money on those islands and expects a good payback, and of interest they knew the USA would oppose the islands meaning they intended to test the resolve of the USA anyways.
We have no military interest there.
China will not fire on the USA navy, perhaps a few barriers may be placed - which is all for nothing if the US navy leaves the area and other countries have their ships shot at.
It's in the other regions nations interests to now sign treaties ensuring an attack on their ships is an attack on the United States.
As for Putin in Syria this has more to do with ensuring no permanent oil AND gas lines are installed that transit the entire Middle East to Europe . If Putin allows that the. European sanctions can include complete separation of oil and gas - the only leverage Putin has left against Europe (and thus the United States). I suspect Putin will establish a permanent force in Syria not to win but to simply ensure the leader he wants there, remains.
I hope to God they sink every American ship.
About a day before these idiots sail into those waters, Putin will announce something big - like a joint defense initiative with all the major Latin American countries. Just when you thought obama's fudge was packed as tight as it could be.
In a perfect world, the captain of the US ship would go ashore under a white flag, ask to see the Chinese commander, salute him with great respect, hand him a flash drive, do an about face, and depart. Once they worked up the courage to plug it into one of their PCs they'd find it loaded with gay porn and this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDz8jtMrm9s
I want to live in that world. I like Weird Al's "Eat It" better
Otard may be a useless sack of garbage but don't underestimate his willingness to start a war.
Democratic Presidents: 15
Republican Presidents: 18
Military Interventions/Conflicts entered or Started by Democratic Party:
134
**Vietnam is added on due to the authorization of direct military force by the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, Richard Nixon drew down and withdrew troops but was also involved in the bombings of Vietcong in Laos and Cambodia, Dwight Eisenhower sent "advisors", this is also a direct intervention, 1 point will be added to both sides for good measure.**
Military Interventions/Conflicts entered or Started by Republican Party:
87
Average interventions per Democrat President:
9
Average interventions per Republican President:
5
What President Intervened Militarily More than Any Other?
William (Bill) J. Clinton (21)
With Obama as Commander-in-Chief, the US will back off
from any challenge by China.
Yeah?
The guy's only done every fucking thing he can to wreck our relationships with other countries and fuck up things nationally.
This asshat is our enemy. Not the chinks or russians.
Let them sail.
Sink them.
Just wondering . . . what is the firepower, manpower, aircraft power of a large aircraftcarrier to one chinees man made Island?
How much difference is there if we parked an aircraftcarrier off of the US's coast and told China to stay 12 miles away from it?
acomfort
Chinese and the Ruskies have his number. They KNOW he won't do a damn thing and is all about saving face. When things go bad, send in the brown clown and his libtard army.
As the spokeshole for the military industrial complex, Ash Carter should rename the USS Lassen the USS Golf of Tonkin.
Ar least be friggin' honest about it.
Clearly those traitors in Washington DC don't give a dime about American people.
Remember the Lassen?
Maybe they should simply deploy some sea mines and let the destroyer run into them on their own.
What about the Military protecting the Seacows back home?
The fatties filled witch cancerous tumors from all the Baconator® and mini Frosty™ Shakes.
Jeb is probably in on the three Chinese warships docked in Florida.
How do you get those little copyright and trademark symbol thingies in your script?
Extended ASCII characters. Thats character 169
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeff_head/sets/72157653161943872
photos and dates of reclamation work
Those Chinamen waste no time getting shit done.
Which is why a lot of their high rise buildings blow over in a wind. On the other hand, they built the great wall in 300 years and that thing is still solid as a... as a stone wall. Anything the Chinese do in a hurry gets fucked up. They normally take their time and they think ahead in centuries, not in 'weeks' like us westerners do.
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--8kzPzs_2--/18mllsnbh...
just need to give the reds a guilded missile destroyer to see if they're up to speed and cut out the middle jew money makers, he also whats to one up the plane boosh gave them for a good laugh at the next wh all scumbags come as you are halloween cock suck and baby eat party.
China really should have just hired an American corporation to do the dredging and even other construction. USSA sees money in it for them, China gets to dump some US pariah bonds, and we have peace. :)
Maybe peace was never the goal. :O
how do you run up 20 trillion in debt on peace? need moar war so we can spend 3000 years of future taxmoney TODAY to make a few fat MIC pigs rich
Which btw are ziojew$$$$$$$$$$$$
Sweet!!! Hopefully EMP. We'll get a nice break from work.
Wrong! Thats when the real work will begin! Careful what you wish for!
Not to be alarmist but it is 8:08 am Beijing time and 9:09 am Tokyo time, Tuesday morning, 10/27, while it is 8:08 pm, 10/26 in the eastern US time zone - right now, so has all hell broken loose yet?
Some folks got blown up.
I wonder if they drew straws and the USS Lassen was the short stick ...anyway just to be on the safe side...send those last minute emails back home now...and be sure to tell everyone that you love them...a last minute photograph would also be nice...
This is why it's important who is in the Oval Office. Your (and my) fate now rests in his hands. He is the Commander in Chief. He has the power to start WWIII in the next few days. I wonder how many people realize how important it is to have an intelligent, rational and most of all, a president who's ego would not impede a wise decision.
Just sayin
Clearly we are fucked then. It appears that neocon thinking is strongly influenced by Zionism. We seem to have accepted the narrative that it is us and the Israelis standing together against the Islamic world. That is a highly convenient narrative for Israelis and their Zionist supporters in the USA to foist upon the rest of us.
I have a question. For highly sensitive government jobs I would assume someone's foreign sympathies might be something worth investigating. How many dual nationals other than Israeli Americans are in top government posts or have a top secret and above security clearance. Zero?
They are one of the top four spy groups in the united states but if you take into account their dual citizenship like one would any other applicant for a sensitive position or top government post one is labeled antisemitic.
http://rense.com/general51/tef.htm
If this was going to be a serious rumble, Pussy Boy wouldn't have waited for Patricia to blow over.
Yes, that's exactly what China will do: BLOCK THE US VESSELS.
Along with the PLA Navy, China will float every leaky, rusty junk it can get it's hands on. And intermingle them with their state-of-the-art vessels.
The real navy will determine which US ships are on course to penetrate the 12 mile limit. The Chinese jalopies will set their course to intercept the US ships.
The US, which might trade a queen for a queen, is not going to trade one of their ships and it's crew for 'The African Queen' or some relic out of a Conrad story.
So all you General Jack D. Rippers out there (yes, you) put it back in your pants and save your precious bodily fluids for the missus.
No ship in the US Navy is going to risk damage to its bow 6000 miles from home port in unfriendly waters by ramming a dilapidated, 300 foot long hot water heater.