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China Unleashes The Jingoist Rhetoric: "If U.S. Ships Stop, We Should Lock Them By Fire-Control Radar"
Now that the U.S. has sailed the guided missile destroyer USS Lassen within 12 miles of the disputed islands in the South China Sea as "an assertion of freedom of navigation and as a means to balance power in the region", it was time for China to offer its "diplomatic" response.
And the best place to do that would be ultranationalistic Global Times, a newspaper described as "a Chinese tabloid under the auspices of the People's Daily newspaper, focusing on international issues at a communist Chinese perspective. The Global Times differentiates itself from other Chinese newspapers in part through its more populist approach to journalism, coupled with a tendency to court controversy."
Here is what the editors said in an agitated, jingoist Op-Ed published earlier today.
After the show, it's time for US destroyer to leave
According to Reuters and the Wall Street Journal, the US Navy sent the guided-missile destroyer USS Lassen within 12 nautical miles of islands built by China in the South China Sea. US officials claimed that the action is aimed at safeguarding the freedom of navigation and did not target China. The patrols could also be conducted around features that Vietnam and the Philippines have built up in the South China Sea. According to the US side, the action has been approved by President Barack Obama, but with no notification for China.
Washington hinted long ago that it would send ships within 12 nautical miles of China's islands, but it didn't say explicitly what it would do. The US said the action would last several hours. According to Western media, Chinese navy ships are closely watching the Lassen. The Pentagon is obviously provoking China. It is time to test the wisdom and determination of the Chinese people.
We should stay calm. If we feel disgraced and utter some furious words, it will only make the US achieve its goal of irritating us.
We should analyze the actual condition of the US harassment. It seems that the US only wants to display its presence as it didn't raise the imprudent demand that China stops island-building. It has no intention to launch a military clash with China. It is just the US' political show. The UN Convention of the Law of the Sea provides three categories. The first is islands, which are naturally formed, habitable areas above water at high tide, and are therefore entitled to 12 nautical miles of territorial waters and a 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zones (EEZs). The second is reefs that have portions above water at low tide, and are uninhabitable, which have territorial waters but no EEZs. Finally, completely submerged "low tide elevations" have no territorial waters.
The islands and reefs in the Nansha Islands under the control of the Chinese mainland belong to the latter two categories. China did not elaborate whether it will expand its territorial seas after land construction. This is where the ambiguity of the international law. In addition, China hasn't announced its territorial baseline in the South China Sea, making the legal meaning of Sino-US contention in the South China Sea vague.
China and the US have no conflicting views over the international law. Instead, the two are competing with each other over the rules and orders in the South China Sea. Beijing's construction work in the area is completely legal, and there is nothing Washington can blame it for. Yet, from Washington's perspective, the geopolitical situation in the area will be changed following China's island reclamation. Beijing may seize the advantage to control the Nansha Islands and their adjacent seas. The US also conjectures that China will gain strategic pivots for power projection to the south in the future. Therefore, Washington, annoyed and anxious, has taken actions in order to balance Beijing's clout and to consolidate its dominance in the South China Sea.
It has to be noticed that China has already carried out construction work in the area. This is the concrete achievements Beijing has gained. Completing building the islands still remains as a major task for China in the future. At present, no country, the US included, is able to obstruct Beijing's island reclamation in the region.
In face of the US harassment, Beijing should deal with Washington tactfully and prepare for the worst. This can convince the White House that China, despite its unwillingness, is not frightened to fight a war with the US in the region, and is determined to safeguard its national interests and dignity.
Beijing ought to carry out anti-harassment operations. We should first track the US warships. If they, instead of passing by, stop for further actions, it is necessary for us to launch electronic interventions, and even send out warships, lock them by fire-control radar and fly over the US vessels.
Chinese should be aware that the US harassment is only a common challenge in China's rise. We should regard it with calm and be confident of our government and troops. It is certain that the Chinese government, ordering the land reclamation, is able and determined to safeguard the islands. China is gradually recovering its justified rights in the South China Sea. China has not emphasized the "12 nautical miles." It is the US that helps us to build and reinforce this concept. Then, it is fine for us to accept the "12 nautical miles" and we have no intention to accept 13 or more than 13 nautical miles.
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Gee if I didn't know any better I would swear this is all being done by a script, terrible actors to boot.
If the Chinese fire on and strike one of our vessels Obama would immediate surrender. He's playing with fire but only because he's never been burned.
It ain't gonna be the Chinese Navy, from the looks of that video last night.
pods
What is problems?! Bring it up! Why is always waiting, waiting, waiting?! Boris is so boring of sabre rattle rhetoric. What world is need is good old fashion maritime conflict with full battleship regalia!
The Chinese would never fire on US ships when all they have to do is drag one of their old ones out there blow it up, and blame the US. Essentially use our own play book against us.
Moneychangers are desperate for a hot war. They tried Iran, Russia (vis a vis Ukrainian coup and subsequent sanctions, oil price smash, etc). Now they're trying China.
It seems like everyone is too smart to fight. They know all they have to do is wait...soon the music stops and we financially implode. They just have to hold out a little longer, CIA clownfuckery must be at "DEFCON 1" to get someone, ANYONE to blink.
These are the death throes of imperialistic desperation.
Hands up, don't shoot.
>It seems like everyone is too smart to fight. They know all they have to do is wait...soon the music stops and we financially implode. They just have to hold out a little longer, CIA clownfuckery must be at "DEFCON 1" to get someone, ANYONE to blink.
And then everyone will fiht america but not on a hot war but through urban guerilla warfare the urban demoltion karma will come back.
The Doctor feels this prescription will remedy things quickly. At 5:00 AM Thursday morning China to announce the following: "Due to the aggressive and provocative behavior shown by the United States, anti US feelings have quickly risen to dangerous levels. The Chinese Goverment at this time cannot guarantee the safety and security of travelers arrving from the US. Effective immediately all commercial aircraft are prohibited from arriving to China and Hong Kong."
That would settle things quickly and may even settle the score over the recent chemical plant explosions. And I agree 100% with the Poopra. Russia and China are too smart to take the bait. The US will soon hang from it's own rope.
China could have completely ignored America...and in doing so, not even given this act the attention of an annoying fly.
Then, they could have also announced their intention to perform missle test firing in the region.
The Chinese are so clever. That's how they were able to exchange trillions of dollars of products for a bunch of promises. Crazy like a fox those folks are! :-)
omg please mr. chinaman don't lock on us with your radar!
Yuan mei king wa? Wi gei bing yu wa! Wi mei king yu rei da kon po nen tsu! Mei king su pa chi pa kon po nen tsu, fas bu lei king kon po nen tsu!
Na Fam Pei Hotao !!!
Sum yung guy!
Radar lock is kinda like racking a shotgun, and has the same ability to focus one's attention.
Like I said earlier, nothing will happen. Just alot of bickering back and forth. Yawn.
The USS Donald Cook incident supposedly according to the Russians was a missile lock from a shore battery in the Crimea. The Su-24 may have jammed the Cook but supposedly the Russians turned on their powrerful radar and locked on the Cook. Maybe everything got shut down except the Cook's ability to see that missile lock.
I am not sure if the Russians were pointing Sunburn anti-ship missiles.
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=38411.40;wap2
Meh, both sides will sit there and collect as much SigInt as they can. That will be the only outcome.....all while yelling insults at each other from their respective vessels:
USN Captain: "Fuck you! "
Chinese Navy Captain: "No! Fuck you ass-oh!"
USN Captain: "No, no, fuck YOU you little shit!"
Chinese Navy Captain: "I fuck yo matha fo fi dallah! She no good in bet!"
USN Captain: " Lick my left nut! "
Chinese Navy Captain: " Is too smah to see! "
etc,
etc.
etc.
Fauklands 2.0?
USS LIberty 2.0?
China can always claim not to have seent he flag, the lettering, or heard the radio transmissions from the ship(s) they target...
Maybe is Tonkin Gulf 2.0...?
+1
Awesome.
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Obama wouldn't be the one calling the shots. If the Chinese fire on a US vessel, China will be ended.
Ah, now I remember why I quit sniffing glue...
Now that is an interesting bit of word play.
I just love how so many people think that smart tech weapons can only be made by the US!
Most electronic parts are made in china.
The Sukhoi jets are superior to the american ones.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZvMljUNCeU and How Russia's S-400 makes the F-35 obsolete | Russia ...
Yeah. Russian jets are sooo superior. I wonder what the actual track record of Russian fighter jets in combat has been since the Vietnam war. Yep, the air to air record of Russian machines against countries using US gear..boy, those Israelis must be shaking in their boots.
Well, in 2004 the reported kill ratio was something like 9:1 during the Cope India 2004 War Games with the Russian jets waxing the U.S. jets.
Here's a milder version of the story...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3834843.stm
Not such a crash hot record when the Russians are flying their own jets.
Lol ignorant muritard when you know nothing better shut up. Israelis can't do shit against Russians because if they do consequences will be diastrous. They are not your puppets who will absorb false flags and Israeli Air Force only contains F-16s nothing else. If Russia wants they can raze Israeli air fields even before they take off.
One DF-21D, 3 million, one aircraft carrier + complement + systems + aircraft 40 billion, seeing Obama's face as it sinks, pricesless.
Obama's grand plan is to fill America with Islamic Jihadist who he can then unleash on China using weapons built from 3rd world uneducated migrant labor imported from Central America who have taken high skill tech jobs at Boeing and Lockhead Martin.
Then what is Obama going to do next after observing the islands? What a pathetic strategy of Obama's - sheesh!
He may give Hawaii to China and Alaska fully back to the Russians.
Makes sense, he just gave them the North Pole.
Not to brag, but...
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HistoryHappy membershit anniversary to me...
Congratulations. 5 years and 11 hours ago you were able to combine the correct keystrokes and mouse clicks to become a member on zerohedge.
Back then there wasn't a link from the RomperRoom.com website to ZH that brings in all the 'exceptionalists'. The paid trolls hadn't shown up yet, either.
Pour one out for Cheeky Bastard...
Two more years to the 7 year itch.
Congrats.
One only hopes to live as old as Methuselah.
the longest lingering Oldphart......
congrats. brrrreeeeeeet
How come your "history" comes in years and hours OldPhart?
Mine is in years and weeks.....? so almost 5 years and 1 day. I have enjoyed it.
Nice, got me by a bit...
4 years 14 weeks
Happy Birthday, OldPhart.
Fuck Obama and his escalating. What a little faggot punk ass bitch.
What China should do is absolutely nothing. Don't let your dick cloud your thinking. China just has to wait for the belligerent self destuct in finance and politics.
Barry Soetoro is spineless narcissist without corpus cavernosum, he is never muster courage to shoot at enemy, can only verbally abuse friend and ally.
Exactly.
Does anybody really still belive that Obama is calling the shots on anything but his lunch order?
I'm sure his wife chooses that for him.
Boris is read sometime Barry is slip out onto balcony of Oval House and smoke a fag.
Sometimes cigarettes too.
China does not need to fire one shot. Only start open dumping of US T. Billions and billions of sheets of Toilet Paper raining down at fire sale prices for a day or 2. Get their buddies to do the same.... Fallout? of course but....
US prezzie is nothing but a blow up doll being used for amusement at this point.
The U.S. could simply refuse to pay back China.
Your move.
The biggest loser in your scenario is the US...
Not necessarily, you can build a lot of military islands with all that plastic stuff we've bought from them. Hell, we've got one in the middle of the Pacific already, just by accident.
you mean the plastic military hardware that we imported from China to save a few bucks which basically has become fully integrated into our most advanced weapons systems.
Brilliant!
Pay back?....like the 300 million ozs Ag short they hung on JPM?
And for a nation that just raised their debt ceiling to Poker bluffing insanity this would benefit whom exactly? 19 trillion dollars? Who is going to buy this bluff much longer? US to default on China? Start the dominos and watch out.
So I would say it is more China's move. US does not really have any bluffing power left at the casino.
Well, that little faggot punk ass bitch will be laughing with the rest of the retards in Washington's underground bunker city while you get incinerated.
So, exactly who, is who's bitch again?
I hazard the guess that it might be you and your family "rejected". Got an invite to the bunker party?
Oh no Mav he's got missile lock on us................
Chalkie and Xi probably have this shit setup to distract us from other important crap.
Hell, ZH has had two China reef posts front and center about what amounts to a driveby.
pods
There won't be a shooting war yet, but the economic war fare continues unabaitted.
...yet
What legislation do you figure is being passed right now? Or what money is being transferred?
ZHer is such cynical bunch! That is why Boris is love you! (but only in hairy chest manly way)
Boris is.
@techpriest
CISA
Fake idiot
Boris is fake; viz., not really a Russian. Nevertheless, his commentary is one of the more uplifting aspects to threads here. Stick around a year or two, and you'll understand.
Hey pods remember the Economist 2015 cover issue? 2 arrows coming down 11.5 and 11.3?? Good grief. Maybe it was the driveby clue?
Look China, we're America, we do what we want. Just sit down, shut up, and buy into our massive debt pile.
And just like that China backs down. Mistake, big mistake. Now it will continue and escalate.
Radar lock. Going to fly some planes around. And do nothing.
There it is for those who thought China would take a stand. China has had several covert attacks, major attacks. China either responds now or will see their assets/investments/natural resources in foreign countries taken from them in covert and overt ways.
I thought they might do more than make big talk and empty displays. This display will be noticed on the world stage.
And to think, ZH posted those stories about how scary china had sailed warships to Syria and was to field a military force. All later found to be false.
Next, the other countries will sail their warships through, around and anchor in the area along side the US warships.
Do you really believe this entire dance wasn't fully choreographed ahead of time???
China has most of their treasure invested in USD - its in their short and medium term interest for USD to stay as strong as possible.
China is US largest debt holder. For a broke liar and crook who just upped the ante to 19 trillion (admitted) and likely over 200 trillion (hidden in the closet) how much clout does the liar have? ONLY final recourse would be nuclear garbage destroying life in a wide-spread fashion. And dominos that could fall outside of any "plan".
Is any sane person willing to deliberately shit in their own nest just to defend old and demented money? Yeah I know the answer.
Hard to believe during WWII, we helped China out to fight the Japs. Makes sense. Japan is still the one to watch out for.
I agree completely. Why the U.S. takes the side of Japan is insane. Japan is a problem. The people, I'm sure are nice, but their leaders are horrific. Abe and Kuroda have stolen futures from the Japanese people and they take it. I'm shocked no one in Japan has done anything about these clowns by now.
Japan is a US employee. They have obeyed and "dociled down" their population as they were instructed by the bosses.
Yeah, whatever. If there was a real issue, China wouldn't have destroyers docking in Florida for a pit stop to enjoy blow jobs and Disney World. We're all being played and the elites are in on the game.
Yep a real life game of you sunk my battle ship, they destroy things and the peasants call them jobs and rebuild it, oh and behind the scenes they carve away at our freedoms and rights...
No oil in Florida.
a local newspaper "writes the check"
maybe China will "cash it"
game on....
Well a fire control radar paint is considered an act of war by most military rules of engagement I ever worked under... so there's that...
China is like the lame parents who keep warning Johnny 50 times to stop kicking the cat or else....
That is known as the death by a thousand cuts...
Gee, I thought this is why we have been forced into capitulations to the UN, to avoid such stupid shit. Surely their is international.law that defines this crap and clearly sets out the rules. Either China is right or wrongand not something resolved by warships.
International Affairs 101:
"These sailors aren't here to defend freedom to navigate, they're here to die nobly so we can hurry up and start WW3."
It's only a matter of time. I don't want it, but you know MIC does.
The Chinese will continue to spout their bullshit. The US will continue to drive by. No one wants to stop there anyway.
Its a draw. Everyone saves face.
The Chinese gubmint officials and USA gubmint officials are making too much money to rock the boat very much. This is all a show, that's all.
China needs some of that fancy Russian electronics killing shit.
Yeah well the Chinese just need a bit of Russian jamming technology like that used in the Black Sea against the US destroyer USS Donald "sitting duck" Cook . It sent the US ship crying home to daddy.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/13/aegis-fail-in-black-sea-ruskies-...
If you make up a song about your story you can sing yourself to sleep with it sweet pea. Fucking dreamers...
hot PIMCO analyst on CNBC saying how unequivocally good this "debt deal" is. her rational = more fiscal spending, less brinksmanship. (note. this "deal" adds $80 billion in fresh debt)
funnier thing = her nor brian sullivan even mention that $19 trillion going on $20 trillion thingi-ma-jig thats gonna strangle our kids & grandkids.
Nor does the media mention the real numbers. The unfunded, already stolen future liabilities. The 19 trillion morphs to over 200 trillion? and this is on the paychecks of kids living in their family basement who cannot get a job but still carry thousands upon thousands in debt. Nobody actually runs the numbers for the actual public.
These no-brain idiots just read the script. Grandkids will never have anything more than debt prison as TPP rolls out and the credit holders expect their dues. Serfdom 2.0. or is that 3.0.
I am glad in one small way that I have no children who need to witness this.
Chinese are going about this all wrong. All they would have to do is to install a golf course on one of those little islands and invite Obama to play a couple of rounds. He'd fold up like a cheap tent in a hurricane.
The USS Lassen is just mad it did'nt get to make a port of call on Mischief Reef... er Island and meet the hawt Chinese army babes. So now all they get to do is circles in the ocean looking at their own USN fat cow co-sailors waiting for the mess hall to open.
That would make a sailor want to mutiny Mon.
Send the 7th fleet already! Let the commies shit their pants when the Ticonderoga arrives
Shit their pants? Why? The Sunburn has a range of 1250 miles, the only people shitting themselves would be the seamen.
Yes but that doesn't mean everything... US Navy has some pretty nasty countermeasures against anti-ship missiles.
Yea, just ask the sailors from the USS Stark FFG31
The last time to my knowledge a missle was fired at one did'nt come out to good..
Ok. So youre on a ship and you have 1000 cruise missles coming at you at Mach10. What counter measures do they have for that? Force fields?!
The Hacker Hellfire System.
This is not Battlefield 4. Nobody will ever fire 1000 cruise missiles at once.
US Navy can counter cruise missiles with the AEGIS, use air-borne countermeasures and other stuff. Sucess rate may not be 100%, but if well executed the US Navy can shoot down most cruise missiles.
Now Mach 10 missiles would be hypersonic missiles, thats a whole different threat. The Navy is developing high-powered lasers to shoot down hypersonic threats.
China has no proven hypersonic capability. It's all a NK style farce... There is only one bluewater navy in the world that can project air superiority on 3 fronts at the same time and maintain it.
There are Chinese warships in port in Fla for joint activities. This is a non story - it only matters to the tin foil hat crew...
WWIII will be financial - post internet there is no more political stomach in the world for the mass deployment of humans against humans and the nuclear threat is something for the 1980s...
We'll keep jerking off in the ME while the real chess is played in the financial markets.
Nobody is going to play Missle Command - if the Chinese fired their ASBM and missed (as it most certainly would against a destroyer with modern countermeasures and ABM protection it would change the entire balance of the game and show the emporers real wardrobe.
This is theatre.
Can you imagine if we were DEFCON 4 that China would have 3 fully crewed ships docked in FLA?
Get back to the real world...
The Chinese have SS-N22 Black Onyx cruise missles. And at 25k a pop thats a steal compared to the tomahawk. Also, their plastic Christmas tree sales alone would more than pay for 1000 of them. They can be fire from bombers, missle batteries, submarines, battle cruisers and all manner of naval vessals. Ghey can also be fired from both stationary and mobile land based missile launchers. The fucking things travel at damn near the speed of a rifle with a range of 1250 miles. So i ask again. What are we going to do when they launch thpusands of their missles at once, all targeting different crafts? Oh and try not to shoot the French made javelins or dummy missles while youre at it. Ohhh...you had to think about it, too late youre dead.
If you went out and invested your wad in WalMart stock what would make you go and try to blow up a WalMart?
Orbital bombardment. You haven't begun to see the USA's high cards in this spades match.
Nukes... That's the 2 of spades by comparison.
They got that thar machine that can fire a million bazillion rounds of caseless ammo in less than one second.
The problem with the USS Stark was that it was manned by a bunch of boomers. The boomers were probably drunk and stoned out of their mind and busy trying to undermine each other to get ahead in this world, which is why everyone stood around while 2 missiles went into the ship. Case closed!
As a boomer that is really funny.LOL...
I'm sure a gaggle of X'ers and Milllennials staring into their iToys could have done better assuming they ever left the safety of their boomer parents basement.
So we bombed Iraq for 20 years then.
I wonder how the Iraqi navy is doing these days?
Merged with McHales Navy.
But I thought Obama was the Manchurian candidate....more like the Madoff/machiavelli Candidate
Obamymammy failed to start WWIII in the Middle East, so now he's going to try to provoke China.
He's like a child, poking a rattlesnake with a stick...
Does anybody really still belive that Obama is calling the shots on anything but his lunch order?
Oh to be inside of the Chinese mind. Fascinating.
First, our tech, now their copying our jingoistic rhetoric?
what's next - their biggest papers crank out yellow journalism?
Remember the Maine - so callously bombed by the Chicoms in the late 70s!
Avenge them, boys!
Don't cry for me, Asian Tina.
...they'll spend a month sifting through rubble, and by the time they figure out what went wrong, we'll be sitting on a beach, earning twenty percent.
I guess they weren't coming over to dock the ship for a friendship visit.NeoCons always on the war path.
The cruiser should park at the 12 mile mark and Morse code them, "All your base are belong to us".
Maybe they will respond appropriately and everyone can laugh at the Japanese.
Is there any reason China shoul have any kind of 12 mile zone around these glorified oil drilling platforms?
THIS IS a 15-Round Boxing Match.
It is not over. It has barely begun.
ROUND 1: China builds a bunch of artificial islands and claims they are real. The US does nothing, and the Chinese establish a "first permanent presence" on the Spratly's. Winner - China.
ROUND 2: A US ship sails past the "islands" and violates the 12-mile limit. China complains and does nothing. Winner - USA.
This ain't over yet, not by a long shot. There is still a long way to go in this prize fight.
That is a fact, but the United States is notoriously incompetent at the "long game" whereas the Chinese excel at it.
Pearl Harbor redux....
Instigate until escalation.
Then war.
It seems unlikely that it'll happen that way.
Right now, I'm bored. All China did was summon the U.S. ambassador. Does this mean that the ambassador will be given a stale fortune cookie?
Those reefs will never be islands and China will have to lay there and take it.
They are not going to stop making our iPhones are they?
I wonder what the odds are in Vegas
I think one poster had the optimal plan. The Chinese should get every piece of junk that floats and make a junk flotilla to intercept and surround the navy ship. They won't risk damaging the bow of a top of the line navy ship 6000 miles from port in a game of chicken with a floating rusty hot water heater lol. Hilarity should ensue. Then they should throw body wastes and demand shrubbery for safe passage.
What is this crap, they dont have to inform the world what they do. Either they attack on spot or not.
A distraction.
"According to the US side, the action has been approved by President Barack Obama"
The 'president' can approve nearly anything - and do it with feet up on the desk, March Madness, the golf links or family vacation. Easy. The 'stamp of approval' is for window-dressing purposes only. He makes no 'hard-core' foreign policy decisions, Whatsoever, on his own.
So the US ship stops and then the Chinese lock their fire radar on it and vice versa. Then what?
All it takes is this (watch it until the end): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOll3v55Dmo
Hurry up and push a button - either side. Doesn't matter!!!!
Let's get this show on the road!!!!
As RFK said, "Don't get mad, get even". Just park a couple of battleships around Havana, Cuba.
Naval aircraft from U.S. carriers should be flying over that portion of the sea no one owns at 100 feet altitude breaking the speed of sound for a few hours.
hum if i were the warmongering US i'll find a reef to build another sandcasttle in the area (out of any 12 NM of any other chinese sandcasttle of course) just to find out if the chinese would attack my defenseless civil contractors ships ...
this would save me from the embarrasment of explaining how the chinese could have "suprised and sunk" a USS-whatever
I am declaring Worldwide TV Distribution Rights to World War Three.
I called first dibbs!
Up yours, NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC, et al.
These islands are bait and nothing more.
I'm surprised they didn't when it passed on.
It's "Their" claimed Territory and Operating Forces. Even on the Operating Forces Basis, they've every right to lock on.
With their lips.
Short man syndrome.
"The dogs howl, but the caravan moves on."
North Korea is watching this and expecting us to back down because their big brother is puffing out his chest.
Next we send littoral combat ships up their rivers.
Nothing is more diplomatic than gunboats.
So we put a ship in their 12 mile limit.
Next night the first game of the world series broadcast has a power outage.
Coincidence?