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Europe's On A Road To A Very Bleak Nowhere
Submitted by Raul Ilargi Meijer via The Automatic Earth blog,
On the day after a bunch of European countries headed into yet another -emergency- meeting, and as the refugee situation in Greece and the Balkans was more out of hand than ever before, not in the least because the numbers of refugees arriving from -in particular- Turkey are larger than ever, let’s reiterate what should always be the guiding principle driving the response to issues like this.
That is, the only way to approach a crisis such as this one is to put the people first. To say that whatever happens, we will do what we can, first and foremost, to not allow for people to drown, or go hungry or cold, or contract diseases. Because that contradicts our basic morals. The loss of lives and prevention of misery should be the most important thing for everyone involved, all the time, from politicians to citizens.
If we cannot approach both the issue and the people with decency and humanity, we are as lost as they are. If only because we have no claim to being treated better than we ourselves treat others. After all, if someone else’s life is neither sacred nor valuable, why should yours be?
Looking through the response across Europe to the growing numbers and the growing crisis, what’s remarkable is the difference between individual citizens and the governments that are supposed to represent them. Apart from outliers like Hungary PM Victor Urban and the ubiquitous fascist groups from Greece through Germany, citizens win hands-down and across the board when it comes to humanity.
The arguably worst record is set by the European Union, ironically the one body that claims to represent everyone in the 500 million strong continent. Individual politicians in leading nations like Germany, France and the UK are close behind. European ‘leaders’ are not looking for a European solution, they’re all only trying to deal with their own part of the problem. As long as the refugees don’t burden their nations, they’re satisfied.
After a year of increasing refugee arrivals it’s safe to say that the pan-European approach, to the extent that it can even be said to exist, is a dismal and deadly failure.
Yesterday’s ‘Balkan+’ mini-summit was no exception. The AP headline says it all: “EU Agrees To Tighten Border Controls And Slow Migrant Arrival”. Europe’s priority is not to fight or minimize the suffering, it’s to make the problems go away by making the people go away. The new deal that came out of the summit cannot possibly work because it is based on unrealistic predictions of stopping the flow of refugees.
Greece has agreed to ‘host’ 50,000 refugees, but with 10,000 arriving daily that is a meaningless number. Apart from that, this is supposed to take place in ‘holding camps’, and the term all by itself should make one shiver. The ‘hotspots’, another EU initiative, are already making the refugee situation even worse than they have been for months.
Moreover, these people don’t want to stay in Greece, because in Greece economic prospects are so bleak as to be non-existent for the simple reason that the EU itself has demolished the Greek economy. Those responsible for that demolition now seek to force Greece to keep refugees from traveling north in holding camps and severely undermanned fingerprint facilities.
Disgrace comes in spades. It was therefore good to see that Greece had the pretty perfect answer:
Greece Says Refugees Are Not Enemies, Refuses to Protect Borders From Them
Greece’s migration minister has rejected accusations by Germany and other European countries that Greece is failing to defend its borders against mass migration, insisting that the refugees and other migrants trekking to Europe constitute a humanitarian crisis, not a defense threat. “Greece can guard its borders perfectly and has been doing so for thousands of years, but against its enemies. The refugees are not our enemies,” Yiannis Mouzalas said in an interview.
Greece is under pressure from other European governments to use its coast guard and navy to control the huge influx of migrants who are making their way, via the Aegean Sea and Greece’s territory, from the Middle East to Northern Europe, especially Germany. [..] leaders from Greece and other countries on the latest migration route through the Balkans are facing allegations from Germany, Hungary and others that they are passively allowing migrants to pass through.
“In practice what lies behind the accusation is the desire to repel the migrants,” said Mr. Mouzalas. “Our job when they are in our territorial sea is to rescue them, not [let them] drown or repel them.”
Last week alone, Greece received about 48,000 migrants and refugees on its shores, the highest number of weekly arrivals this year, the International Organization for Migration said Friday.
Athens opposes an idea floated by European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker to set up joint Turkish-Greek border patrols. Greece and Turkey have long-standing disputes over their territorial waters, which have led to military tension over the years.
“This was an unfortunate statement by Mr. Juncker,” Mr. Mouzalas said. “The joint patrols have never been on the table. They have no point anyway, as they wouldn’t help ease the situation.”
Mr. Mouzalas said Turkey should have been invited to Sunday’s summit. “Turkey is the door and Greece is the corridor; Europe should not treat Greece as the door..”
But count on Brussels and Berlin to issue Athens with more threats. It worked over the summer, so… Still, Europe as a whole, the 28 nations that make up the EU, can and will not agree on the entire issue and all its aspects. And that is why Yanis Varoufakis is wrong in his approach, and his call to Britain (which he shares with Xi Jinping of all people) and the rest of Europe:
Yanis Varoufakis Says Britons Should Vote To Stay In Union
Yanis Varoufakis, the former Greek finance minister, has called on Britons to vote to remain in the European Union in the upcoming referendum. The bête noire of the European political elite was speaking at a Guardian Live event at Central Hall in Westminster, central London, on Friday night. He said: “You have a referendum coming up. My message is simple yet rich: those of us who disdain the democratic deficit in Brussels, those of us who detest the authoritarianism of a technocracy which is incompetent and contemptuous of democracy, those of us who are most critical of Europe have a moral duty to stay in Europe, fight for it, and democratise it.”
Yanis is wrong because the EU is not a democratic institution, and can therefore not be “democratized”. It’s a pipedream gone horribly awry. It should be exorcised. And even if “democratization” were possible in theory, before you can reform the EU, you’re 10-20 years or more down the road. And there’s no such time available. The problems exist in the presence, not just in the future.
The EU is a loose collection of separate sovereign nations that came together in times of plenty. These nations will always, when pressured, seek their own advantages, never that of the collective if it means a disadvantage for themselves. The whole idea behind the union has been, from the start, that of a tide that lifts all boats. And that promise has already been smashed into a corner, bruised and broken beyond repair.
After Greece there can be no doubt of that. And the other separate EU-member economies are not exactly doing well either. Mario Draghi pumps €60 billion a month into the eurozone engine, but it keeps leaking just as hard and the best it can do is sputter.
In institutions such as the EU, organized like the EU, power will inevitably flow towards the center. And at some point in that process, democracy will vanish into thin air. Draghi’s €60 billion will just as inevitably benefit the power center most, and leave the periphery ever poorer. This is not an unfortunate coincidence, it’s built into the union’s structure. Which is therefore not merely undemocratic, it’s inherently anti-democratic.
Nobody in Europe ever voted for Jean-Paul Juncker -or had the chance to- to represent them, at least not in any direct democratic fashion. And nobody outside of Germany ever voted for Angela Merkel -or had the chance to- . Yet, these are arguably the most powerful people in the EU. That in a nutshell is what’s wrong with and in Europe.
Financial and political power reside with the rich and powerful nations, and they acquire more of each as they go along. This is unavoidable in the present situation. It can only be corrected by decentralization of power, but since that would run counter to what Brussels and Berlin envision (more power for themselves), it’s not going to happen. Europe will not be ‘democratized’.
Or put it this way: the only way EU nations can regain democratic values is by leaving the union. That is also the only real vote Europeans have left; a vote within the EU structure goes wasted. Ask the Greeks.
Europeans need to acknowledge that the EU has failed, and inexorably so. Schengen is already dead, walls and fences are popping up everywhere. All the rest is just make-believe. There will never be a consensus on the ‘distribution’ of the numbers of refugees. Views and national interests are too far apart.
And the vested interests in the centers of power are too strong. Merkel may be Europe’s unelected leader, but she will always put German interests before those of the 27 other nations. This may be accepted in 7 years of plenty, but it won’t be in the 7 lean years.
Meanwhile, it’s the hundreds of thousands of refugees who pay the price for the fundamental faultlines in what was supposed to bring and hold Europe together. And an interesting additional issue, which so far flies largely under the radar, arises.
First, refugee numbers keep rising, as Reuters reports:
Immigration flows to Greece surged to 48,000 in the five days to October 21, the highest weekly total so far this year, bringing the number of Mediterranean migrant arrivals in Europe to 681,000 the International Organization for Migration said today. Amin Awad, the Middle East director for the UN refugee agency UNHCR, said Russian airstrikes and increased fighting around the Syrian city of Aleppo had contributed to the “dynamic of displacement”, with about 50,000 displaced, but had not contributed much to the refugee exodus. But he said the number of internally displaced people within Syria had fallen from 7.6 million people to 6.3 million, a decline that could be attributed to the refugee flows to Europe, as well as people being missed from the latest count.
48,000 in 5 days in Greece from October 17-21, 12,000 in one day in Slovenia. Over 5,000 in 5 hours on Lesvos Friday. 52 refugees died off Greece in 10 days. That’s five lives lost every day. While Brussels stand by and watches, as does Merkel, paralyzed by fears of losing votes and power at home. And when they do act, it’s most of all to try and quell the refugee flood, not to minimize the suffering.
Turkey gets offered billions to built camps on its territory, Greece is threatened into doing the same. Makes you wonder where Juncker and Merkel think the people they want to lock up in these camps will eventually wind up.
Slovenia is the latest bottleneck, after many miles of walls and and fences and razorwire have been installed elsewhere.
Last Tuesday, Slovenia was first reported to be asking for “additional police forces”.
Slovenia Asks For EU Police Help As Thousands Enter Country
Around 19,500 have entered Slovenia since Friday after Hungary sealed its southern border with Croatia. Speaking after a meeting with European Council President Donald Tusk and EU chief executive Jean-Claude Juncker, President Borut Pahor said:
We need fast assistance of the European Union. Slovenia will formally ask for additional police forces to guard the border between Slovenia and Croatia and for financial help.
The country has deployed 140 soldiers to the border to assist police and hasn’t ruled out building a fence as part of its efforts to control the influx of migrants.
And I thought: police? What police? There is no EU police force. At least not a ‘boots on the ground’ one. There’s Europol, Europe’s own Interpol, but they do intelligence. There’s the European Gendarmerie Force, but that’s a (para-)military police force. And we’re dealing with sovereign nations here, so any police force, let alone a military one, would face huge legal issues; at least if people pay attention.
Then a few days later, Reuters had this:
Worried Slovenia Might Built Fence To Cope With Migrant Crisis
Slovenia said it will consider all options, including fencing off its border with Croatia, if European leaders fail to agree a common approach to the migrant crisis as thousands stream into the ex-Yugoslav republic. Migrants began crossing into Slovenia last Saturday after Hungary closed its border with Croatia. The Slovenian Interior Ministry said that a total of 47,000 had entered the country since Saturday, including some 10,000 in the past 24 hours. Slovenian officials said the country is too small and does not have enough resources to handle such large numbers of people. [..]
According to Slovenia’s interior ministry, the cost of fencing off the 670-km long border with Croatia would be about €80 million. Slovenia has asked for the EU for assistance and officials said Austria, Germany, Italy, France, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland offered to send police reinforcements.
That’s 8 different countries offering to send policemen. But what status would these people have? Would they be allowed to bear arms? In a foreign sovereign nation? I’d love to see the legal documents that justify such a move. Would these foreign police officials also enjoy immunity, as Europol officers do? Under whose command would they operate?
I can imagine perhaps these new policemen, or border guards, could be Frontex, but Slovenia is not on Europe’s border. And Frontex already lacks the personnel to execute its intended policies (halt the refugees) in places where Europe does have borders.
This looks like a deep and dark legal quagmire. So perhaps it’s not surprising that Slovenia digs a little deeper still, as the Guardian noted yesterday:
Slovenia To Hire Private Security Firms To Manage Migrant Flows
Slovenia is planning to employ private security firms to help manage the flow of thousands of migrants and refugees travelling through the country toward northern Europe, a senior official has said. Bostjan Sefic, state secretary at the interior ministry, said 50-60 private security guards would assist the police where necessary. More than 76,000 people have arrived in Slovenia from Croatia in the past 10 days. More than 9,000 were in Slovenia on Monday, hoping to reach Austria by the end of the day, while many more were on their way to Slovenia from Croatia and Serbia. The emergency measure was announced by the prime minister, who described the migrant crisis as the biggest challenge yet to the EU.
If a joint solution is not found, [EU] will start breaking up, Miro Cerar warned. About 2,000 migrants waited in a field in Rigonce on the Croatian border on Monday for buses to take them to a nearby camp to be registered before they are allowed to proceed north. [..] Slovenia, the smallest country on the Balkan migration route, has brought in the army to help police. Other EU states have pledged to send a total of 400 police officers this week to help manage the flow of people. Over the past 24 hours, 8,000 people arrived in Serbia en route to northern Europe, the UN refugee agency, UNHCR, said.
Now I know it all perhaps depends on what tasks the various ‘additional’ crew are supposed to handle. Frontex could be doing registration and finger printing. Europol could do some stuff behind the scenes, like sniffing out alleged terrorists. But actual policemen and soldiers and even private security operating inside a sovereign European nation?
The overarching question is how this is different, how far removed is it, from German soldiers and policemen patrolling in for instance Greece? And what would be the reaction from the Greek people to such a development? Or we can turn it around: how would Germans react to Greek soldiers operating on German soil? Once you provide a legal justification for one situation, this should cover all 28 nations, and equally.
Another question is Slovenia once hires private security, how far away are we from employing some subsidiary of Blackwater to patrol the Aegean and/or other parts of the Mediterranean? Or land-based border crossings for that matter?
It will become clearer, fast, what an awful mess Brussels and Berlin have created here, because with winter approaching more refugees will fall victim to the conditions under which they’re forced to live once they’ve entered Europe. Which, in their own eyes, will still be preferable to the conditions in their homelands. And then what will we do, when dozens start dying from cold and diseases? Send in more police and military?
This is a road to a very bleak nowhere. We can only possibly return to what I started out with: “the only way to approach a crisis such as this one is to put the people first.” That is, pay for and send in aid agencies, not officers bearing arms.
And perhaps Europe should begin to ponder the possibility that this is not something it can stop at will. That the 500 million citizens of the EU may have to share their bounty with a few million newcomers. Who, on the whole, look a lot fitter, more determined and more motivated than scores of Europeans do, by the way.
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On the Road to Nowhere. I love that song. Maybe Byrne will sing at the refegee camps. Then Draghi can print them their fortunes.
Koombaya.
Bleak ?
I would not be that optimistic.
The article is too wordy.
By the time I'd finish reading the piece, another 1,000 people (mostly young Arab, Afghan and Paki males) are walking into Germany.
Germany is sending 5!!! police to Slovenia.
Austria is already talking about "building something at the border" but just don't call it a fence.
SERIOUSLY WTF. I'm watching live coverage of these fuckers trying to come from the South into Germany.
They have nothing to offer. Nobody wants them and why the fuck should Germans have to put up with the shit.
Close the fucking borders. Take only families with kids or the elderly (a woman age 105 crossed into Croatia WTF) and send everyone else fucking back to where they come from. Don't offer transportation. Give them a pair of boots and rations. They walked one way, they can walk back the same way. Maybe then the flood will stop as the first groups start walking the opposite direction.
I seriously feel for the people of Germany whose government is forcing a bunch of refugees upon them. Rather than refugee camps, it makes a whole lot more sense to me to house the refugees in the homes of politicians and residents who want the refugees there in the first place.
The Germans are sending them to "temporary" camps.
Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it in group Zyklon-b showers. Enjoy that German hospitality!
No. The Germans get f'ed over for the past 400 + years by shadowy bankers who they need to hunt down. Deport these people. Give them a one way ticket, some food and clothes and get them out of Germany.
"And perhaps Europe should begin to ponder the possibility that this is not something it can stop at will.
It can be stopped at will, but the goverments of the EU want this.
That the 500 million citizens of the EU may have to share their bounty with a few million newcomers.
Who gets to decide whether or not the bounty, created solely by EU citizens, gets "shared"?
Not you, pal. And in a democracy, not a handful of corporations and bureaucrats.
Who, on the whole, look a lot fitter, more determined and more motivated than scores of Europeans do, by the way."
Motivated to escape the slaughter and get on welfare? Sure.
Fitter? The invaders are riding in on trains for the most part. My gramma is up for a train ride.
The idea that these invaders cannot be stopped is ridiculous. If these invaders were armed, they'd be stopped immediately. But because they are unarmed, they cannot be stopped?
Ridiculous.
The governments of the EU want this inflow, despite the fact that their people do not. Who is funding the invaders' travels from the 3rd world to Europe? The "funders" must be "dialogued" immediately.
The war in the middle east must stop immediately and the invaders must return home immediately. Whoever is responsible for destroying their homeland must rebuild it.
It reminds me of the Peasant's Crusade.
Basically all peasants were encouraged to 'keep moving' until they reached 'the Holy Land' where everything would be lollipops, unicorns and rainbows. Every town they arrived, you didn't turn them away, and you certainly didn't anger the mob. But you did supply them ON CONDITION THEY KEPT MOVING!
One answer: experience. Many families made similar experiences during WWII and remember the stories... or even still tell them
Yesterday I talked with a lady that walked from Warsaw to Paris with her mother and two sisters who they lost, only to find one back
It gives a different perspective then having heroes fighting in foreign lands
Dude, they walked out of former Eastern Soviet Europe and mainly running from the Russians Red Army.
Pray tell, what are these people running away from? They're in no danger anymore. They just come to the land of milk and honey, to Merkelstan and Swedistan.
By the way, no other country will take any of them and for good reason.
they are walking, not running. for people with similar experiences this is an important detail. Lots of sympathy for that... walking, believe it or not
how about from... ruins? War isn't kind on the furniture, usually. The lady lost her house in Poland but she still had two apartments in Paris
another gentleman yesterday told the story how he was released by the Soviets and walked back to Bologna, Italy. His trek started in Kiev
From Kiev to Bologna.. maybe an Italian who started his pizza business in the Ukraine at the wrong time? Please think this through. You know what kind of people and why they had the luxury to walk from the Soviets as opposed to running. Surprised the lady survived in Poland.
The people coming from the ME and everywhere else are seeking a better life. They have TVs and social media. They're opportunists. There's no work for them in Germany but they get 3 square meals and a warm bed if they're lucky. For some that's not enough though. They want an appartment and they want it now. Better yet a house and fully furnished please.
Anyway, as we discuss this here another 2,000 are at the border in Spielfeld...
a simple Prisoner Of War. some of them wrote also a few books, they had very interesting and varied experiences. this article has the list of some of their books, and even some movies were made
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union
And white infidel girls (and boys) to rape!
And white infidel girls (and boys) to rape!
Double post. On the other hand, it bore repeating.
And was this lady walking to Paris Polish or
member of the tribe?
lol. no, a member of the old Szlachta with a French husband
Have Europeans never cracked a history book? You are supposed to stop the invaders at Vienna!
Geography, bitches! Once they get over the Danube, you're fooked.
History in Germany is taught with a slant because of what happened over 70 fucking years ago. Napoleon marched over Germany and occupied much of it. Not a big deal. First world war was certainly not Germany's fault but the terms of capitulation were one-sided.
Germany is in for a world of hurt. I hear Germans say that they're not sure what to do next year. Renovating their house doesn't make sense. Planting a garden? What for.
The mood in Germany is turning into a massive national depression.
Some try and make hay with building contracts or other business related to the invasion. It's short term thinking. The invaders aren't going to appreciate any of it unless it's free and well maintained for years to come.
Right now the Union is losing 1 out of 5 voters, according to die Welt. Seehofer gave Merkel until Sunday to do something. Either he'll split the Union up & send the CSU into all of Germany over this issue or he'll eat crow.
Meanwhile 8.5% of Germans would vote for the AfD if 2017 were held today. Given the PC nature of this country, I peg that number at 15%.
What I can guaran-damn-tee you is that 12,000 people per day is 5,000,000 in 365 days. If this keeps up -- Merkel won't be the Chancellor in a year. Guaranteed. Sure as shit won't be the SPD, die Grüne or die Linke -- all of whom want to import tens of million of head choppers.
Who would take her place is anyones guess.
Watch that 168 members of the Union who wrote that letter to Merkel.
What I am really waiting for is the "come to Jesus" moment to occur in German politics like what happened to Chris Christie in the 1st GOP debate. He tried to invoke 9/11 to get a bunch of applause and the mouth-breathers to say they support him. He got booed on national television.
What Germany needs right now is someone to stand up, start speaking truth, and when someone calls them a Nazi publically in a debate or "town hall" or some shit like that -- tell them to "Halt dein verfickte Fresser" and proceed to tell them that that excuse is old -- no one believes it, and it only comes out when logic prevails over the Left's talking points.
Germany needs a charasmatic leader of the Moderate Right who isn't a complete cock sucker
Seehofer could invoke the "Vertrauensfrage" process. Merkel doesn't have majority support of her own party in parliament. Not sure how this pans out in a coalition government.
But Seehofer is close to Orban and Poland's incoming government is close to Orban. Something is brewing.
Seehofer giving the ulitmatum means he has an agenda and a timetable.
It doesn't matter for Sweden and Germany, their civilizations are "Gone With the Wind". It appears to be exactly what they wanted. The great mass suicide of entire Countries will be the most jaw-dropping chapter in history books. A human puzzle that'll never be solved. In just a few decades or less these 2 Countries (to start with) will see every museum leveled, every Church and Cathedral ground up and public (and private) statuary smashed. These are the absolute, unchanging facts of the new culture. The crime, the rapes and the mass lethargy are well known already. "Swedistan" will indeed be the name on new maps. The other Countries will quickly catch up and invent their own new vocabulary. History itself is rolling over in Its ancient grave. This madness can't be undone.
It's all very true. I watch my family's homeland Sweden being destroyed. And still Swedes refuse to act up. They simply can't react. Government has decided to end Sweden and replace it with a version of a mini Africa and Middle East. Already blacks and Arabs throw whites out of neighborhoods should a white dare enter. Yet, this has NO effect. Swedes blame themselves for not giving enough wealth to blacks and Arabs. Suicide. Sweden is already finished, all that is left is to watch the horror unfold. Sweden will be South Africa in a decade. Whites will be a minority in 15 years. They have given away 2 thousand years of history, families, culture and victory over invaders. Handed it over because liberals feel guilty for poor Africa and Middle East.
It can be undone -- its just going to have a really high body count.
Diversity + Proximity = War.
Remember Germans distrust charisma and dislike aggressive postures And... How about Uschi of the Defense? ;-)
(it's Halte & Fresse)
Fucking endings in the German language. I will never comprehend who thinks changing the endings on almost all words in a sentence based on the gender of the subject was a good idea.
Then you non-native English speakers have to put up with our bat-shit crazy tenses. So I guess its a wash in the end.
Frau Stasi zio-Merkel and her open borders pro-EU and pro z-Red Shield cronies in Germany need to get ***EAXACTLY*** what Mussolini got. Mussolini compared to the scum in the EU aka Brussels was an honorable man.
You want to see f**king heroes? Here are heroes in the Russian air force and Syrian Army.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/24/syrian-army-seizes-israeli-backe...
Russia is what America could have been but now Amerika is Trayvonville.
I have the highest respect for Syria, the Syrian Army, people, Assad and the people helping Syria.
I truly wish the German people and other Europeans wake up and storm Brussels and hang these EU and open borders criminals. The German media is as evil as the US, UK, Ukraine and other western media outlets. Sickening.
Americans will just watch more Trayvon thug ball games and other mindless idiocy.
Just a gentle reminder that Britain, Germany, Italy and France had a great time carving up countries in the Middle East and Far East and Africa, f*****g up the native inhabitants and generally not giving a shit for the welfare of the people they'd decided to plunder. This happened not for a few years but over centuries. FFS, without Hitler, we'd likely never have had Israel and all the problems that's caused in the region!
Arguably, many of the countries now experiencing this exodus would otherwise have made better use of their own wealth and not developed, at best, an ambivalent, at worst, a hatred of Western/European ideals. So for those Europeans now bemoaning the current crisis, look to your parents, grandparents and great grandparent's generation and blame THEM for all of this. You can also look yourself in the mirror and realise that your own tax money supports supports a military-industrial and financial complex who's raison d'être is to plunder and leech off the corpses of those it kills.
Great blow-back and FU!
Oh fuck you. I seriously hope you die a slow painful death you worthless apologist. Try explaining to the 16 year old girl in Mering who got fucking gang raped by a bunch of Pakastanies that this is just "blow back" from the English fucking up their country 300 years ago -- and she deserved it.
Seriously, slit your wrists vertically. Its a damn shame your mother didn't believe in abortion.
Fact, the British/German banking alliance (Rrrrrred Shield, I'm looking at you) looked at a map 100+ years ago, and decided the Ottoman, Indian, and Chinese empires had to go.
And here we are today.
Um hello Mein Herr, why exactly do you think these people are coming? May I remind you of the actions of America and Europe over the last 15 years to completely fuck up their countries. Prior to that was this happening? No. It's called cause and effect.
Euro-poodles lapdogging to insane American neocons instead of standing up to the bleeding fucking obvious that these wars were useless. But ha ha we have the Atlantic Ocean to keep the MidEast refugees away, fooled you, nyah nyah.
This is inane.
Syria and Libya were modern, stable and secular, if not necessarily 'democracies' - and even Afghanistan was better off.
The destruction of those countries was due to US, and 'zionist' machinations - not events 50 years ago.
Your rant makes a lot of sense - until you give it a moment's thought.
Hussein, Assad and Ghaddafi were our guarantors that the flood gates remained closed.
Assad Jr. is a good man. Ghadaffi was good for the Libyan people and Saddam was better than the evil scum in the EU like Van Romouy and Barroso. The EU scum needs to be hung by their boots.
Oh fuck! That history might be true but the current invasion is the responsibility of the current politicians in charge of governments.
Machine gun nests on the border would stop this instantly.
"They have nothing to offer. Nobody wants them and why the fuck should Germans have to put up with the shit."
Karma?
karma for what? they were destroyed physically after WW1, and ethnically and culturally after WW2....and 75 years later are still an occupied territory....why? because some faux "holocaust" which hollywood and zionists keep blabbing on about? jews still whine about the so called "egyptian slavery"....what 4000 years ago?
What about the USSA extermination of the natives? that one doesn't count?
Armenian genocide? Kurdish Genocide? Cambodian genocide? Chinese genocide? etc...etc....why the fuck isn't that shit in the news nonstop or a billion spielberg movies about it? but as we know self-chosenites are only ones that count....
And those genocides numbers were actually documented and verified by the Red Cross...unlike the ficticious 6million (was more like 400k...maybe)
Fuck, read the old testament and it chronicles Jews killing plenty of people as well.
Do they get a pass because they are god's chosen people? Fuck them and their puny god.
Well if you want to call marrying the vast majority of the natives 'extermination' then I guess so.
Does that mean that I can tell the wife that orgasm is calling in artillery?
About 1 in 10 'white' people whose families have been here for more than a century are at least partly native american.
My neighbors are Lumbee...well the dad is. The wife is white.
In the 1750's it was a big clue when the 'Indians' had 'Indian' first names like 'Spring Hawk' and last names like 'MacGreggor'.
The fact is that the extermination story is less true than the Thanksgiving fantasy.
The truth is some of both...and a whole lot of learning to live together.
Most of the Eastern tribes, who were the majority of the population of the continent, were not killed at all. They just stopped thinking of themselves as 'Native Americans'.
Ignore what you hear from progressives.
Just read people's diaries from the 18th Century. It is all there.
It's called an invasion, your NWO masters figured out if you don't give them guns and just send them, liberals would rather commit ethnic suicide than go against their god of "progressivism"
Enjoy the koran and sharia law dudes!
@walküre, you ask "why the fuck should Germans have to put up with the shit."
GERMANY SELLS ARMS to Quatar, who sells it to IS, THIS THEY HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE SHIT.
they get f**** rich with that, they should endure and pay their dues or stop selling arms to countries they wouldnt be allowed to sell to, but do, cause they dont wanna pay the fine, if they brake the contracts. f**** losers.
In Europe "Bleak" is a synonym for "Teamwork"
At least our leaders all stayed together for lunch so in a way we made a lot of progress!!
Most of them actually even showed up!! Over 80% was present!!!
France, Italy and Spain were notably absent. That's a big chunk of EU GDP.
Well, there where French, Italian and Spanish callgirls at the aftersummitgangbang party so in a waý... ALL COUNTRIES WHERE REPRESENTED!
It is, after all, a summit (mini-) and NOT an EU Council meeting, which is official and presence is mandatory
Just a bunch of ministers meeting to discuss
Presence is mandatory??
What's the punishment for not showing up? A stearn latter??
It's not like the topic was important.
This is what it looks like when chickens come home to roost. Blowback
Send the fuckers to the US and pap them in the White House as a present for O'bammy - he did create the war that they are fleeing from after all.
He didn't create shit. But his masters sure as shit did and Obama said "where do I sign". Obama is nothing but a puppet on strings.
Israhell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFSgYa8YfWk
Give em guns and RPGs and humvees and send em back.
Oh, wait. we already tried that.
Let em in, and spread em all around. The solution to pollution is dilution.
Fuck no, none of us even know who these people are.
Greece : "Pay back is a bitch"
"Oh, wait. we already tried that."
Actually, we haven't. We gave guns and RPGs to the people that are going into what were the refugee's home towns, grabbing people, quizzing them on the Koran and then hacking their heads off if they didn't answer right. "We" aka the USG, armed a bunch of relgious extremist whackjobs that were Al Queada and what became ISIS, in hopes that they'd take out Assad to make way for an oil pipeline for our "friends," Saudi Arabia. And completely fucked the average person in the region doing all this.
So no, we haven't armed the refugees, we armed the people that made them refugees. We could arm the people that are running away, but it means Assad would likely stay in power, and in any case definitely means the Saudi's wouldn't get what they want and that people that were running away would likely align with Iran, the one comparatively sane, stable country in the region, and we can't have that!
This is an epic, epic foreign policy fuckup of the highest order, made with financial gain in mind and with no moral high ground whatsoever. It's no wonder Russia was mopping team US up off the floor on this one, we fucking handed it to them. If there were any transparency to the policy decisions here, O, Hillary and McCain would be looking at war crimes trials along with dozens of others and we'd probably open up the middle eastern war with a bombing campaign on Riyadh.
Correct. But these aren't refugees or migrants. They are invaders sent to fuck everything up.
It is a coordinated and deliberate plan.
I'm afraid truth is never neither black nor white, but some unfamiliar shade in between.
Invaders? IF SO...
...then we have to brainwash them with our value system, put them in uniform, then first labour camps, then military training, then form Foreign Legions which then will conquer back their homelands with shrieking Tornados bombing the way before them
I'm not saying I'm joking, I'm not saying I am not
There is room in our Kasernen and those young males are probably good candidates for an Army to take back their homeland.
BUT.. do you think they want to? I mean we can just force them of course but there's got to be a little bit of their own conviction.
Bay of Pigs who started this thread might want to tell you something about... the Bay of Pigs
It's a rhyme in history, btw.
Greece was full of examples, and even the Babylonian Jews got their shot from the King of Kings
Nah. They's much prefer three hots and a cot (and a prayer rug), and all the white girl's they can rape.
Once they(81% male) get papers they will bring in their whole family. Better to let them freeze in the mud. Most people wouldn't allow them to squat in their back yard, I know I wouldn't. This is the whole reason for national borders! I'm sorry the EU is run by self serving puppet bureaucrats. It's the suicide/murder of white Europe, by design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
No. Give the guns and RPGs to German people. The invaders get a shower, food, clothes and a one way ticket home. They leave in a week or else.
This wasn't a crises. It's an manufactured event being used to pump developed nations with low IQ voters that are easy to maniuplate.
...low IQ voters that are easy to manipulate....
By that logic, the US should ban immigration completely.
On the subject of internment camps, how about the slogan:
"Welcome to Andersonville- some ideas never go out of style."
EU will survive this and other problems and only will get stronger - as always :D
But criminal putin regime will collapse very soon and poor poor ruskies will fight for survival.
Is that a quote from Anderson Cooper?
Latvia is refugee solution of problem.
Immigrants told "OK, you in Latvia welcome and Latvia must stay there fifteen years minimally. Before in fifteen years Latvia and Latvia can leave freely and forfeit benefits eligible in EU."
Person flees from homeland dangers and tells "OK, now I am Latvian."
Is genuine seeker refuge? Is.
Person not flees from homeland dangers and aspires to living standards increase with handsout freebies tells "Latvia? Go fuck!"
Is genuine seeker refuge? Is not.
Looks like your nice stack of potatoes will get you through the Latvian winter.
And when Russia comes to Latvia, you will hear some terrific singing. Its their national pasttime, you know?
Russia does not want Latvia.
Nobody does...
EU will survive as an Islamic empire.
China & Russia will eventually purge the Muslims after Europe and North America have fallen.
Why not commit suicide now before it's done to you, FOR YOU, in a few years, you psychopatic genocidal maniac?
you're a dumb fuck
I'm German and I loathe this fucking "Europe"
Glad to speak with friends in other European countries however who still cherish their sovereignty
Speak to your friends in Germany. You are at the epicenter of this crisis and the major reason for it.
Quit feeling guilty about past events. You did not do them.
You are however here now.
Europe will survive, the EU is on borrowed time.
Christ, you again? I wish your mother had believed in abortion.
Those "refugees" (By and large able-bodied men, not the elderly, women or children) are owed NOTHING by anyone, except their nation of birth.
No one is owed anything by anyone..including the nation you are born in.
“We live in a sad society. Succeed – that is the advice which falls drop by drop from the overhanging corruption….In passing, we might say that success is a hideous thing. Its false similarity to merit deceives man. To the masses, success has almost the same appearance as supremacy. Success, that pretender to talent, has a dupe – history….Win the lottery and you are an able man….They confuse heaven's radiant stars with a duck's footprint in the mud.”
...the Merck, as usual, blowing up in her face...
Europe has been sold out by the same gang that did it to Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the USSA.
Soros under fire in homeland HUNGARY for supporting illegals
Interview with Professor Kevin MacDonald October 23, 2015 Discusses Gun-grab agenda and the most powerful group in America. Also covered is the immigrant surge in Germany.
http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/dduke/102315.mp3
This is discussed by Dr MacDonald:
The NRA will fall. It’s inevitable. Just look at the demographics. The Washington Post, October 19, 2015
by Adam Winkler professor at UCLA School of Law
GOP Rep conducts town halls in Spanish, calls amnesty opponents 'outrageous and stupid'
Photo: Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., shakes hands with undocumented youth during a news conference out side of the U.S. Capitol.
Families of Americans murdered by illegals storm Washington
75% of population growth since 2000 from immigration, 100 million more by 2065
Refugees pushing German hospitals to 'breaking point' AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases
that cnbc article in your first link is too funny. the newest 50 comments read no different from zh! lol!
curious - none are going to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, or the UAE? None?
And Germany is rayciss if they don't want to take an additional few million over and above the massive immigration The Borg has set up to ethnically dilute Germany as is?
And no one is shooting politicians or bankers?
...then I got no sympathy for ya. It was time to start playing offense with the One Worlders 3 fuckin' years ago, or more.
In earlier days such people would have been tried for High Treason.
After the next European War, a trial and execution will be considered mercy. When the Enemy uses your compassion and mercy against you, then it's time to get stone cold ruthless.
Trial or not, the sentence is Death.
I will see first hand (at least, in Italy..on vacation, bullet train hopping thru Venice-Florence-Rome) how the refugee chaos is in EU, this frigid Dec winter. EU's days are truly numbered...
Italy is not as bad. The migrants are blackies mostly. Italy doesn't take the brownies. The draw is Germany anyway and Italians aren't being stupid and encouraging the pack to stay in Italy.
Yep, thankfully. Italy is mostly bypassed by the hordes coming from the eastern ME conflict..South though from North Africa..Libya, etc. crossing the Med, towards the Italian coast..is indeed another story.
Germany, France and Italy need to make a deal with Russia...
You said this mop up exercise will take 3 to 4 months.
We provide you with back channel intelligence on what the "Jew" is doing in Washington and Tel Aviv along with anything coming your way through Saudi Arabia and Turkey and in return we get cheaper oil and gas and contracts to rebuild Iraq and Syria when the "dust settles".
One more thing for Western Europe's consideration...
When Washington knows your full intentions towards Russia be prepared to tell the Wolrd of the false flag(s) that will be coming your way that will be punishment for not cooperating with the Tribe and "who did them" unlike this one!!!!
France and Italy are doing something that Germany doesn't know about. Neither country was present at the "emergency" meeting in Brussels.
France will close the border to Germany.
Italy will use its military to protect the Med.
Things are going to escalate and develop rapidly now.
Merkel is TOAST. She won't make it 'til Christmas.
Merkel is TOAST. She won't make it 'til Christmas. Hopefully Hollande will accompany her wth a "size 10" up the fesses on the way out the porte...
For humanity's sake I sure hope you are right!
Tectonic shifts everywhere!!!
I'm convinced her own party is perparing to oust her by way of forcing she asks the "trust" question
She would have to ask parliament if her own party still trusts her. If she cannot assemble a majority of party members behind her in parliament, she has to resign.
It's a pretty quick and brilliant process. Seehofer might pull this option over the weekend unless she makes a move to close the borders.
Seehofer set her an ultimatum and she already shot back. She feels pretty secure in her seat.
Seehofer is on very good terms with Orban. Poland's incoming government is close to Orban. The rest of the Balkan will get in line behind Seehofer.
Tectonic shifts as you say.
Let's hope so. I'm no German, but boy do I feel for these guys having to put up with this influx of migrants. What was she thinking? This was political suicide from day one.
I wouldn't call Zionist ownership with Islamic mob rule debt control "nowhere".
It's more like a rocket sled to nowhere.
Cancel their food, shelter, cash, medical aid(s), social services, and access to white women. They will go home.
"Cancel their food, shelter, cash, medical aid(s), social services, and access to white women. They will go home."
The very fact it has not been done so far is very telling about the real motives of the E.U. bureaucracy and their handlers...
Watch the collapse of the EU health care system:
Genetic referrals of Middle Eastern origin in a western city: inbreeding and disease profile.
http://www.gfmer.ch/Medical_genetics_education_research/pdf/Consanguineous_marriages_Hamamy_2009.pdf
Garrett Hardin would disagree.
It's as if the author thinks that free travel from an economic backwater into one of prosperity is anyone's right.
These people have the possibly of building it in their own countries yet refuse to do so, because they lack the intestinal fortitude to tell their religious leaders to take it where the sun doesn't shine.
Euro nations have the sovereign right to refuse entry to any person other than a citizen of their own soil.
EU falling apart?
I wish they'd get a bloody move on.
Democracy it most certainly is NOT.
The European is run by 12 dictators-- 12 bad men and all liars.
what's the problem.. dont' the ovens work?
The current disaster proves once more that politicians love mass uncontrolled immigration, irrespective of their orientation within the phony left-right spectrum. Just a few examples:
- cheap labor for corporations
- expansion of government on a new scale: create whole new agencies, ministries and .gov employees to 'administer' the immigrants
- raise taxes on the pretext of 'supporting integration', in reality paying for more immigrants' freebies
- immigrants will vote for even more government and freebies and become docile, grateful voters
- disruption and elimination of strong cultural characteristics and individuality in the host nation by dilution, divide and rule. Politicians despise all voters precisely because they are dependent on them.
You left out the most important driver: The globalist/NWO drive to break down the ethnic cohesion of White countries.
It was sort of included in the last bullet point but yes, you are absolutely correct.
http://www.thelocal.se/20151026/refugees-refuse-beds-at-swedish-holiday-...
When you are helping the Americans bomb everyone,something comes back to bite you.It is similar in nature to how human beings treat animals in factory farms and abuse animals through cruelty.Maybe you can call it Ying & Yang,it gets you for what you deserve.
The majority of Americans don't want to bomb anybody. The American government has been hijacked by the Israeli lobby and our 'leaders' are too scared to do what is right for Americans. So, stop saying "the Americans are doing this or that"; instead, say, "the Israelis are leveraging the Americans to bomb for the Isreali geo-political goals."
This shit is gonna get a lot worse before it gets better. Get your popcorn out.
Exactly. And only when a critical mass of the American public realize this - that their "leaders" are bought and/or compromised pawns of a foreign state - will the requisite chane occur.
Having a hard time seeing how a muslim Marxist is influenced by the Israeli lobby.
Sorry but NO.
Most democrats don't want to bomb anybody when a republican holds office. With a democrat in control they do not care.
Most Americans are guilty for the actions of their government.
If some 3rd party won an election then you could use the voters are not guilty argument.
They vote for proven war parties. Guilty as hell.
That includes myself by the way. I have actually contributed money to the Bush campaign (mostly because I hated Gore with a passion).
Note that the refugees are NOT stopping in the nice safe haven of NATO member Turkey! I guess the welfare benefits there are not very good compared to Germany!
That's the whole point.
the greeks are probably amazed that anyone could be poorer than them.
This is literally a FREE SHIT ARMY invasion. They've come to soak up the infidels welfare benefits.
Sorry, Raul, more and more people are not buying this sort of liberal drivel any longer.
The liberal democratic EU project will crumble, that is true. But, the reason is not that Europeans are somehow unwilling to 'pitch in to help.' This contrived mass migration project, using the cloak of the war against Assad, is waking people up.
What is with this tripe:
Obviously, this is the SJW Tyler at work. Or did Barbara Spectre hack ZH? Europe should be for Europe- and throw out the communist/socialists who train Europeans to hate all that they are and were.
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“Greece can guard its borders perfectly and has been doing so for thousands of years, but against its enemies. The refugees are not our enemies,” Yiannis Mouzalas said in an interview.
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Fine, let's secure the northern border of Greece and not let them pass. Let's see if the Greek government will still feel the same.
I would suggest that Hungary, Serbia, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Poland offer Macedonia help in sealing that border shut tight.
Considering that Greece never bombed Syria - France does, the UK does - the responsibility should at least be shared.
Slovenija je koncana.
Vi Slovenci ste prostovoljni hlapci Nemcije. Nemcija je prostovoljna hlapec Amerike, in Amerika je podkupen in podpihan hlapec tuje kulture and tujih sil.
Ce hocete vediti kdo so te tuje sile, poglejte samo na zvezde v grbu vaše zastave.
Tisto kar tujci niso dosegli z silo v tisoc let, so vaše budale, copate, pizde in izdajalci dosegli v 20. Vi nimate vec ponosa in prostost. Vi imate le svojo ceno in navodila.
Vaši predniki se vrtijo v grobu. Sram naj vas bo!
p.s. For those who are limited to free online translators that all do an inadequate job, the correct translation for "budale, copate, pizde in izdajalci" is "fools, wimps, assholes and traitors".
Not sure what you're saying but I think you tell Croatians to build a fence and close the borders.
Yes, please. When is Macedonia finished with their fence? That should stop the flow, shouldn't it?
Good rant !
I thought that Slovenuans pronounce pizda "piuzda" as I recall from the army.
All free online translators do an inadequate job of translating. Here is the correct translation:
Slovenia is finished.
You Slovenians are voluntary knaves of Germany. Germany is a voluntary knave of America, and America is a bought and corrupted knave of a foreign culture and rule.
If you want to know who these forces are, simply look at the stars on the emblem of your flag.
That which foreigners could not achieve with force in a thousand years, your fools, wimps, assholes and traitors have achieved in 20. You no longer have your pride or freedom. You only have your price and orders.
Your ancestors are spinning in their graves. Shame on you!
"Voluntary" used to give all kinds of positive associations, here in ZH
Yanis Varoufakis is a joke wrapped in a farce
+1
WTF has gotten into him?
I was saying that a bit earlier, didn't I? ;-)
Freshly minted EU and maidens in waiting, Balkan Countries will be dumping ground for ever growing "rejected" applicants.
The viewpoint of this article reminds me of "Liar Liar" movie. Specifically, if a burglar breaks into your house and lands on a knife, how much money can the thief's lawyer get from you.
Its fine a dandy to say lets help everyone and America has 12 million refugees and while their has been some benefits America has reached its limit but under Hillary we will never seal the border with Mexico. Since Mexico is a drug cartel country you could say America needs to take in the whole country or at least another 50 millioon. So for the Europeans they are about to find out what its like to have your history, culture and language spit on and your laws ignored.
Its a simple fact that Obama's failures in the Middle East are the cause of all this and now we have Vladimir Putin as the architect of American foriegn policy. Say Mr Lavarov what would you like us to do next?. He has Obama so boxed in we are probably going to send in more troops sad too little too late!
"Since Mexico is a drug cartel country ..."
Personally, think the US would be a better country if El Chapo was president instead of barry.
There are no refugees in Europe! Stop calling them like that. People who traveling through 4 or 5 safe countries can't be refugees. It's migrants. Nobody else is allowed to choose the country where he wants to live. They can. Wait a second. They can? Why?!?
They didn't run from their homes until the US started these wars. When US bombs are blowing up your town, and you run for a safe haven, you're a refugee, not a migrant worker.
The bombing stopped several years ago. The US offered to help rebuild Iraq.
Iraqis can't rebuild their country, post war Iraq is not post war Germany.
2 factions of the same religious group are infighting over control in Iraq.
Now these people are coming to Germany to do what?
They're useles and their culture is backwards.
Saddam knew that and the US knew that which is why Saddam was allowed in power until he wasn't for whatever reason is still beyond me. I don't see the advantage for the US since the end of that campaign.
I think in a deal engineered by Dickless Cheney, Haliburton agreed to build really crappy single family homes at about $500,000 each or so, in slum areas, plus cost over-runs (!)
An informal inspection of one of them almost had the place collapse as they unlocked the front door
unarmed illegal alien invaders.
A touch irony when Tsipras said they'd defended their borders against invaders for thousands of years.
He wasn't very effective in repelling the Troika.
To paraphrase some old guy from Troy "Beware the EU and other assorted crooks bearing gifts".
How ironic, the Troika are the "partners".
Enemies would at least have to adhere to the Geneva convention.
"And perhaps Europe should begin to ponder the possibility that this is not something it can stop at will. That the 500 million citizens of the EU may have to share their bounty with a few million newcomers. Who, on the whole, look a lot fitter, more determined and more motivated than scores of Europeans do, by the way."
Who is this assshole? Why is he always pushing his multi-cult agenda on here? A few million? There are already far more than a "few" million of them in Europe, in fact major EU cities are already 10-20% muslim. They look more fitter and mor edetermined.... to do what? German police chief said that Muslim "refugees" should be separated from other people because they keep attacking people who are not Muslim in Germany.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11896855/Christ...
In Sweden Muslim refugees forced out Christian refugees out of their shelter, because crosses offended them, what about those muslim refugees who threw Christians overboard on their way to Italy? So many cases like this, this asshole(author) should take some of these "refugees" in his own house before lecturing Orban(not Urban) on how to protect his country.
So to sum it up Raul, the author, wants MORE EU... improved
bigger, better equipped, more democratic but also more into what has not been ever allowed by the sovereign members, like legions of "federal police"
In short, not the employed corteous butler of the club with some leeway for trade and regulations but Big Mother Knows Best, Make Way For Her
Raul, thanks. But NO, THANKS
What happened Ghordius - are you now putting on a sheepskin to not get teared to shreds here in the forum?
Golly winkers, boys and girls in the EU, it looks like helping the US rape North Africa and the ME wasn't as much fun as you thought is was. Boo Hoo, so sorry.
And then what will we do, when dozens start dying from cold and diseases?
Well, first, if "WE" actually had a voice to control our own countries. The borders would be closed and they would be sent to a Muslim country. If "I" were in charge, they would be para-dropped out of planes over Tel Aviv, because that is the root source of the problem here. Notice, how those open minded, non-racist Isreaelis are not taking them in, even though they are right next door to Syria. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure this out.
Good point. Just look at the supporters of this website. http://www.supportrefugees.org.uk/about/
The word "liberal" shows up pretty often.
So does "Synagogue". Not a coincidence.
Well, why aren't they heading into Bosnia?