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Furious China Summons U.S. Ambassador, Slams Obama Decision To "Threaten Peace" With Warship Challenge
Update: CHINA SUMMONS U.S. AMBASSADOR OVER SOUTH CHINA SEA PATROL: CCTV
Well, the USS Lassen sailed within 12-nautical miles of Subi Reef and surprisingly, World War III did not break out overnight.
(USS Lassen)
(Subi reef)
Nine months of tension between Washington and Beijing over the latter’s land reclamation efforts in The South China Sea culminated on Monday with President Obama’s decision to send a guided missile destroyer to China’s man-made military outposts on a “freedom of navigation” exercise. As we put it on Monday evening:
"The ball is now squarely in China's court. The question now is whether Beijing will back down and concede that "sovereignty" somehow means something different with regard to the islands than it does with respect to the mainland or whether Xi will stick to his guns (no pun intended) and take a pot shot at a US destroyer."
In short, some feared that based on recent rhetoric out of Beijing (e.g. the PLA will “stand up and use force”) that China might actually fire upon the US-flagged vessel or at least move to surround it in what might mark the first step on the road to war.
Ultimately, that didn't happen as China apparently decided to take the high road for now and avoid an escalation that might have had far-reaching consequences.
That said, Beijing isn't happy. Here's more from Bloomberg:
China said it will take “all necessary measures” to defend its territory after the U.S. sailed a warship through waters claimed by China in the disputed South China Sea, a move the government in Beijing called a threat to peace and stability in Asia.
“The behavior of the U.S. warship threatened China’s sovereignty and national interest, endangered the safety of the island’s staff and facilities, and harmed the regional peace and stability,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said in a statement today. “The Chinese side expressed its strong discontent and firm opposition.”
The comments came hours after the USS Lassen passed within 12-nautical miles of Subi Reef, an island built by China as a platform to assert its claim to almost 80 percent of one of the world’s busiest waterways. By passing so close to the man-made island, the U.S. is showing it doesn’t recognize that the feature qualifies for a 12-nautical mile territorial zone under international law.
The patrol marks the most direct attempt by the U.S. to challenge China’s territorial claims and comes weeks after President Barack Obama told President Xi Jinping at a Washington summit that the U.S. would enforce freedom of navigation and that China should refrain from militarizing the waterway.
In a strongly-worded statement, Lu said the USS Lassen had “illegally” entered Chinese waters and that “relevant Chinese departments monitored, shadowed and warned the U.S. ship.” China has “indisputable” sovereignty over the Spratly Islands and surrounding waters, Lu said.
“What the U.S. is doing now will only damage the stability in the South China Sea, and send the wrong message to neighboring nations such as the Philippines and encourage them to take some risky behavior,” said Xu Liping, a professor of Southeast Asian studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a government-linked institute.
While it's not entirely clear what professor Xu Liping means by "encourage the Philippines to take some risky behavior," it's worth noting that Washington's provocation is in some respects explicity designed to embolden America's regional allies. That is, this isn't going on in Washington's backyard. This is simply the US responding to calls from its friends in the South Pacific to counter what they view as Chinese aggression by letting Beijing know that Big Brother isn't going to stand for any bullying from the PLA. That gambit appears to have paid off - for the time being.
As for what comes next, Malcolm Davis, an assistant professor in China-Western relations at Bond University on Australia’s Gold Coast tells Bloomberg China could move to set up a no-fly zone:
China may choose to respond without directly challenging U.S. ships with its Navy or coast guard. It could declare an Air Defense Identification Zone over the South China Sea, or speed up the militarization of the area by deploying extra forces, including combat aircraft, to the islands.
“The ball would then be back in the U.S.’s court,” Davis said. “A Chinese attempt to enforce an ADIZ over the South China Sea would increase tensions with its neighbors, most notably Vietnam, the Philippines and Malaysia, and they would place increasing pressure on Washington not to back down.”
In other words, China doesn't need to fire on a US destroyer to ratchet up the pressure. Beijing can simply continue to do what it's done up until now; that is, militarize the region and essentially dare the US to take action beyond sailing by and waving.
We suspect we'll see plenty of new satellite images over the coming weeks and months which purport to show the extent to which the PLA is beefing up its defenses in the face of unnecessary (not to mention extremely petty) posturing on Washington's part.
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True, all true. Surely they were aware that the USD was in a tailspin, even as they were buying them. It was a mutually beneficial arrangement at one time. Without China's endless 'support' both countries would have been worse off. Nonetheless, it isn't particularly smart to be pissing off a guy who owes you a million dollars. I sure wouldn't do it and I doubt you would either.
china has more to lose
Compound the damage by buying all the west's gold with the proceeds from bond selling. Jeez, bet they never thought of that.
Exactly. This cartoon portrays that process beautifully:
https://d1w116sruyx1mf.cloudfront.net/ee-assets/gsd/yesterday/Fence.jpg
how do you say Oatmeal Heads in Chinese.
Childish behavior of all western leaders currently. Putin is the only adult left in the room
Sum Ting Wong!
how clever.....and original
Sum dum fucs
Barry is putting Taiwan in a difficult position since Taiwan also has voiced a claim on those sandbars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute
It's painfull to have to wait 'till Obumbe finaly gets out of Dodge
Nobel Prize Winner spreading sweetness and light in this world:
China furious after US Navy destroyer passes disputed islands in S. China Sea
https://www.rt.com/news/319813-china-us-destroyer-islands/
US launches South China Sea military provocation against China
By Nick Beams
27 October 2015
The United States has launched a reckless military provocation against China by sending a naval vessel within the 12-nautical mile limit surrounding islands claimed by China in the South China Sea.
Early today, local time, the guided missile destroyer USS Lassen entered the exclusion zone around the Chinese-occupied and claimed Subi and Mischief reefs in the Spratly archipelago. China has reclaimed land from the sea and constructed facilities on the reefs. The USS Lassen was accompanied by a P-8A surveillance plane and a P-3 surveillance aircraft. According to US sources, China was not informed and no incident occurred.
The brazen and aggressive character of the operation is underscored by the fact that it has been undertaken in the total absence of military activity against the US by China. Rather, it assumes the form of a pre-emptive strike aimed at humiliating the Chinese regime and placing it in a situation where it either confronts the US navy or bows down to Washington’s repudiation of China’s decades-old territorial claims in the strategic South China Sea. Not coincidentally, the operation was announced just as a major meeting of the ruling Chinese Communist Party central committee was convening to consider economic policy over the next five years.
According to an unnamed US defense department official, who provided a briefing on the operation, the deployment of the USS Lassen is not a one-off, but the start of a series of provocations.
The US actions vastly raise the threat of a military clash with China and the danger of a war between nuclear-armed states that would draw in every country in the region and beyond.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/27/chin-o27.html
Are there not currently 3 Chinese warships in Mayport FL? Perhaps that is why China took no agressive action. Wait and see if it plays out the same once those ships have sailed. Perfect timing on the part of the US but treading on thin ice.
Not yet....but soon.
Hey I got a great idea! Lets get involved in another war in Asia! They always seem to go so well for us. Remember folks, if we dont stop em in the South China Sea, they'll be swarming LA in no time
LA.....the other place empires go to die.
LA, Louisiana or L.A. Los Angeles?
sounds familiar
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chinese-naval-shi...
Just a couple of paper tigers, wake me when Russia decides it wants a piece of the action
How about we focus on the Chinese hackers first?
Like your thinking there...
China is going for broke. They fired 300,000 trained armed personnel.
After years of building ghost shit that nobody needs and where nobody lives, they've come to the end of their road. Too difficult to hide their shell games now. Their real GDP is not growing.
Poulation reduction, coming up.
Easier if both sides just forced the masses into disintegrator machines.
Much easier to kill a million people than to control them.
( the plot of an old Star Trek episode)
From what i understand those 300k were given the opportunity to retire or to volunteer for security and rebuilding efforts in Syria. At work or id look fir the link fir corroboration.
How does it feel to have Chicago running the rest of the country?
Maybe Dennis Rodman can visit China. Or offer Chinese made Air Jordans.
There loads of welfare people waiting days to shop at the new Michael Jordan store.
FUCK china. FUCK what China thinks.
A destroyer? Big fucking deal, wave at them and smile, WTF are they gonna do?
How many U.S. subs followed that destroyer?
How many Chinese subs followed the US subs?
They paid for the damn thing, you would think they would appreciate a chance to get a good look at it !!!
How many Russian subs-----
This kind of brinkmanship can go on for years before it takes a catastrophic turn. China has a history of backing down in situations like this, but now that they have a well-established and highly aggressive infowar effort, we should probably expect them to push back in that arena rather than in some sort of overt, conventional manner.
Fortune Cookies?
Exactly. Expect the market to be flooded with duplicate "lucky numbers" and the "Learn Chinese" side to focus on insults. "Capitarist Round Eye!" "Pare-skinned asshore!" Etc.
An American invention
Yes, or so we're lead to believe. Perhaps fortune cookies are part of a strategic-scope information warfare campaign? developed by Chinese intelligence offers and their assets working under deep cover? I was once a skeptic, too, but the second or third time I got the urge to Google "degauss" after eating at the local Imperial Golden Dragon Number Five, I became a believer.
Obama is convinced that "they didn't build that", so he has a right to act like it is just as much his as anyone else's.
Expect a massive earthquake in the area to kick over the Chinese sandcastles.
The US Navy has every right to sail in those Waters. Chinas claim holds no Water, except they by a show of strength took them over. The US by history has a much bigger claim as per WW II as they won those Reefs of the Japanes. This claim of China, going all the way down to Borneo is really a declaration of War in a way and the other Countries there have no hope of standing up to China, except with the help of the US.
Declaration of war???
The peoples republic of walmart owns the US, quite literally.
Yet if the USA did the same thing you would be claiming they had every right.
The USA can do it, but for everybody else it is illegitimate.
I bet all the clowns in the pentagon were jacking off and popping champagne at the shock of not getting their ship blown out of the water. As the Chinese media is more controlled than the U.S.(if that's even possible), this loss of face probably wasn't even reported over there. America is a rapidly dying empire. The sooner it just keels over the better off the world will be.
in your dreams, troglodyte...
"As the Chinese media is more controlled than the U.S.(if that's even possible), this loss of face probably wasn't even reported over there."
Why don't you fucking do your homework before you open your gob? It took me under a second.
From Xinhuanet (the Chinese State news agency),
"U.S. provocation in South China Sea an irresponsible game of brinkmanship dangerous to regional stability"
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-10/27/c_134755011.htm
Let me open my "gob" right now. So what if their state paper made mention of it. Like our "press" here in the U.S., the event was distorted to "manufacture consent" for State ends. I don't even need to bother reading the article. It all works the same.
After the incident that just took place by the "human rights" tail at the U.N. with another very public display of a hospital's destruction this time in Yemen, just who are the crazy fucks in the U.S. Navy that signed up for this task aboard the lone U.S.S. Lassen?...
One wonders that after what has already taken place with the U.S.S. Donald Cook in the Black Sea late last year if the U.S. Navy runs either a lottery or "draws straws" in the selection process of who will be going to slaughter "first" to start a war?...
They can fly pilotless drones in the air?... Why not pilotless ships?...
This comes to mind. Again you would have to "51 cards short of a deck" to volunteer for this hazardous duty unescorted and if I were the Captain of that ship that is responsible for it's crew I'd be asking myself "why"? with everything else you've fucked up in uniform on would you do this now!!!!
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/navy-responds-to-claim-ship-was-scared-...
I can't believe you morons fell for that obvious bullshit... and continue to do so... fucking Russian trolls...
Thank you. A lone voice of sanity in a sea of paid Kremlin idiots.
Yeah PTSD I know.
You're in too deep already. Might as well ride the "delusional bus" to it's final destination at this point!
By the way... That AD system the Russians are using inside Syria isn't really as good as everyone says that it is!
Think "Foxtrot Alpha" needs to do a story on that one as well!!!
Ok, your link proves the USS Ross was never threatened. Great.
Trouble is that the reported incident had to do with the USS Donald Cook, not the USS Ross.
you're getting warmer...
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Lea it don't matter PTSD is on the magic bus with the rest of the U.S. military!
I thought he was on the retard bus, the one where they all wear helmets...for their own protection!
Ptsd lucid rants of insanity are a precurser to suicide. Its becomming clearer as to why so many us servicemen put guns in their mouths. They try to escape the crimes theyve commited by continuing to champion their slave masters and how their masters would never steer them wrong. Eventually their guilt overwhelms them and rhey paint their moms basement walls with the memories of the horros they have commited.
Oops.
And just now: 10/27 15:57 PUTIN: IT IS NECESSARY TO STOP USE OF FOREIGN CURRENCY IN TRANSACTIONS IN FUEL, ENERGY COMPLEX, IN PARTICULAR IN HANDLING OF OIL - interfax
The Chinese should have just sent out hundreds of merchant vessels small and large to harass and try to ram the naval ship.
well then why didn't they, huh? why didn't they? huh? why not?
I mean if it's so goddamned easy then why didn't they do it, Kina? c'mon, you're the Great Strategist Of Our Time(tm), regale us with your mighty intellect *snort*
The time will come, it is inevitable, the US knows it, everybody knows it.
The US 50 years of idiot geopolitics to maintain its hegemony, at the cost of murdering millions. But now they are a failed state, bankrupt, insolvent and survive only by its reserve currency status, else it would have been Argentina already. Detroyed its middle class, created a working-poor as its new socity, and removed the common rights of its citizens, all the signs fo a failed state, now lashing out.
But its miltary intelligence sees it lose the middle east, and soon NATO and Europeane alliances as they see the US become a desperate mad man. LoL :)
3 Chinese Navy ships docked in Florida might have something to do with it.
Cargo Drone Ships; what a novel idea. Fill them full of life-like dummies with lead weights and call it murder. Crazy world going nowhere but downward.
It's in threads like this when I realize ZH has seriously jumped the shark.
This is like reading a Bernie Sanders/Liz Warren thread on Reddit.
Perhaps you all could do a google search for Freedom of Navigation. And also the international rules that define "International Waters."
If you seriously don't think free navigation of the seas is important, then you are beyond help.
This place has gone straight to hell.
this crew of mainland red trolls and fifth column bullshitters is fucking hopeless, Oldballplayer... they actually believe the stuff they're handed to write, it's amusing to watch...
+1 for the invitation to research. yes, Freedom of Navigation is not irrelevant
on the other side, can China and many others really plaster the whole ocean with all it's shipping lanes with fortified "sand castles"?
the answer is no, and so this is mostly about a very, very local affair, isn't it? wrapped in international legitimacy and counterwrapped in sovereignty
my suspicion is still that China isn't after the protection of "it's" sealanes but after the subsequent claim of an exclusive economic zone of hundreds of miles
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dotted_line
Of course it is about resources. That is why the UK went to war with Argentina over the Falklands. An expression of UK government concern for a load of sheep-shaggers? No way. UK government concern for profits from resources (fishing/oil) going to UK companies? 100%
dup
China should parks some boats in Perl Harbour and have the sailors urinate over the side.
Ah yes, the strongly worded condemnation. China knows they are full of bullshit. You can't claim international waters just ask the surrounding countries.
Japs already did that.
"All they have to do is crash the US bond market. And man, do they have the ammo to do that. "
How are going to do that?
LOL, the Federal Reserve has been buying any treasuries China has been selling with infinite printed US dollars. The Fed just parks them off-balance sheet and make it disappear.
The Chinese should have waited until they were the reserve currency and then hammered the US.
Yeh, the FED should just print 300 billion dollars and give everyone in the U.S. a billion each, then they can all be super-rich...eh?
Printing money is ALWAYS the answer..
yep, and it's been working so far hasn't it? being the reserve currency is a two-edged sword but absorbing clumsy economic attacks is certainly the edge in the US' favor...
Might want to revisit your calculations. US-schooled, eh?
What will the Fed do with them when nobody else wants them?
I think a better way would be to slowly and discreetly buy future contracts for gold maturing right before the next presidential election. Do this in all markets. Then, insist on delivery.
0hedgers 2 days ago "if the US doesn't do anything they are pussies with no balls"
US does something and 0hedgers today "US is starting WW3"
IN case you haven't noticed, the theme here is "US always bad, Putin is sooooo dreamy".
Facts or reason have nothing to do with it.
But Putin rode a shark, and a tiger, and a bear, and an anteater, and a wolf, and a...
BHO rode a girls bicycle.
A pink one.
What? Sock?
Google 'Larry Sinclair'
This is just a "save face" measure..a diversion, from Obama's humiliation in the ME...got kicked in the arse by Putin.
Poking the Russian Bear hasn't worked out so well for Obama - now he has to take a swing at the Chinese Dragon!
Look above your head.
The sky is still there.
China says their sovereignty over the island is 'indisputable'. Other countries in the region dispute that. So you spit on something and you think it is yours?
China had a big mouth but for now was left standing with their small dickies in their hands.
If a dozen or so radar targeting locks and ECM Jamming won't veer off the the Ships, that can be cured by laying Mines or Sea Drones at the 12 Mile Mark.
For the record, I've BEEN in Mine-infested War Zone Waters a few decades ago; and had one FFGlet wander into one like a Moron (tried to back out like one too, suffering a hit with a crack up its cheap-assed aluminum superstructure). We even lost an AUSsie Tug Boat Capt who used to tend to our supplies to one of those "free floating mines".
One hard Mine hit; and the next Surface Ship is in trouble. Miles away from support, dead in water, and surrounded by those who laid those Mines.
I can see the disabled Ship drifting about in the REST OF THE MINEFIELD / DRONEFIELD as they have no choice but to Abandon Ship.
Good thing they're in the (Sub)Tropics; and thanks to Global Warming, the Surface Sea Temps have been on the rise there.
Who's there to pull them out of the Waters? Can you say, "Detained on the Atolls", or "Airlifted directly to a POW Camp in the Mainland"? WTF would happen if DPK or ISIL&Friends(It's a stretch; but they have the money and the friendlies nearby) send out Diesel Electric Boats in the Vicinity in order to take Cheap Shots at the Next Surface Action Group passing by? I'd say that since the CHN Atoll Crews are on Diesel Vessels (always running), that'll be a PERFECT PLACE to hide a Diesel Boat.
Escalation City.
Was POTUS thinking ahead?
Stratfor has a bunch of "D" Team Chickenhawks who didn't make the Capitol Beltway Bandit Payrolls (or Major MIC/Military Base Contractor Payrolls) working for them, right? What do they post, Carrier/Amphib Deployment Charts than can be summed up from Ship's Wives' Newsletters?
Get your Indy Defense Assessments here on ZH!!!
don't know much about the Arleigh Burke class, do you? go ahead and read up, I'll wait...
Another Armchair wanna be, or a Strafor Dweeb?
You must think that the Burke Class were built with Adamantium.
Here's a Primer, Dumbass...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
Whether it's a speedboat or a (conspiracy theorized) cruise missile, there's a nice gaping hole as a result. Do you think a Burke could take a few more - especially those that BREAK THE KEEL or disable a Driveshaft - and scoot away swiftly before being hit with a secondary barrage and boarded by Helo and Speedboat based Troops?
I did mention Drones and Diesel Boats, so mobile platforms with Missiles and/or Torpedoes have been addressed.
Mines "aren't" always stationary. Some are "suspended torpedoes" ready to engage. With enough explosive charges, any surface ship or sub can be disabled or sunk.
The operative word, Dumbass, is "disabled" - in the middle of the Spratly Bases owned by CHN.
Go back to your Flag Waving 'Murica First comic books, Kid.
QED
China mining the whole area defeats there control simple.
Ha ha ha - suck it Xi. Be nice or we'll buy our plastic crap from Cambodia instead.
Get used to it, because our boys will be back. MAybe next time, they'll stop and have their way with that girls volleyball team you have stashed out there.
Like the rude spoiled obnoxious brat that is constantly doing the wrong thing to attract atention to himself, this is how i see Obama.
The real threat: China will now lower their super high quality standards and export only trash. Forget about all that high quality Made In China stuff you have been getting.
why should China do something.. it is the US that is wrong... Sell US T bills... all of them
It's Asian culture to test your opponent.
They know Obama is weak.
They built the island to be bold and do what they want.
China wants all of Asia.
The US and Europe is stuck they gave away all their manufacturing and technology to China.
Both the US and Europe are totally dependent on China.
The armies of the US and Europe wouldn't be able to function without China now.
That's the reality.
So we send Martin Sheen and the PBR Street Gang.
Plus, America and Europe are broke, morally bankrupt and being overrun.
Good time to poke the camel's nose under the tent.
Theater, Big 3 in partnership in all big issues, US invades Iraq/Afghanistan - China gets the natural resources, cmon, recognize suckas'!
Boo hoo. China cry me a Sea!
In response to its economic decline, US foreign policy is becoming increasingly reckless and bellicose. Any war with China will also be a war with Russia, one that the US will inevitably lose. Near the end of WWII the US dropped an atomic bomb ("Little Boy") on Hiroshima and three days later, dropped a second atomic bomb ("Fat Man") on Nagasaki, Japan. Did the Japanese learn anything from this experience? Japan will be completely destroyed in any war with China. This begs the question- does Japanese PM Abe have the intellectual capacity to grasp this? It appears that China is not going to back down.
Either way Japan is fuku'd.
The military behaves like a bunch of mongrel titsoons now - stupid, overly armed, arrogant, entitled, always spoiling for a fight so they don't have to pay their creditors and maybe they can steal some goodies on the way out after they wreck the place and call it democracy.
Pointless posturing. All it takes is one small jet and a couple missiles and those warships are toast.
Perhaps that's the point.
The neocons in Obama's cabinet want war. They need a reason to start it.
Sacrificing a ship or 2 to start WWIII.
USS Panay was sunk by Japanese aircraft on 12 Dec 1937 and the US turned a blind eye so who knows ?
Never served or have any idea in regards to any aspect of naval warfare of tactics huh?
Where do you think this small jet with a couple of missles would have taken off from?
You believe those two missles would get past the aerial support the USAF or USN were surely supplying?
You are an idiot...
Hey Moron. If the Chinese decide to attack do you think they are only going to send one plane and 2 missiles? And what world do you live in??? Aircraft Carriers are slowly becoming Obsolete
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/are-us-aircraft-carriers-about...
Perhaps it's you who understands nothing about Naval Warfare. Battleships and Navies became obsolete during WW2 and were relegated to support roles.
Hey Moron you are the fucking idiot that wrote one small plane and a few missles... You were talking about the security of this destroyer. The Chinese have no real capability to attack it in those waters or anywhere else unless it is in range of an airfield or mainland based missles.
So the bottom line is that ship, it's nuclear attack sub and aerial reconnasanse escorts were never going to be in any kind of danger because China do not have the bluewater capabilites to project power into that area and there is no brownwater or shore based missle support there.
You also have no idea what the flying fuck you are talking about in regards to blue water navies. The aircraft carrier group is the global projection of military power for all the countries that field them.
Why do you think China has been trying so hard to get one on the water?
Don't bother replying - I have no time to debate with a simpleton.
Awesome!
Too many reflexive America haters for me to bother to comment, and I appreciate yours. What the America haters won't acknowledge is the precident this establishes, and the military force trend of these artificial islands.
Finally, the nations of that area know they are now, or soon will be, within reach of Chinese military air power. Anyone who doesn't believe the Chinese will leverage that for political purposes is an idiot or a liar.
For the America haters, of course, that's all good because transferring power to a country that killed 60,000,000+ innocent people doesn't matter, as long as America goes down.
What's an America hater - someone who doesn't get all their news from Fox News and Breitbart?
Or just someone who doesn't believe the US military's purpose is to risk war over some shipping lanes not even yet blocked by the Chinese?
Usually people like you whine because you have a hard time seeing the plank of wood in their own government's eye.
No.
No.
You can't possibly know that.
Sorry, play again sometime!
You're taking my comment too literally. My point was that planes are better than ships. More importantly I was saying that gunboat diplomacy using actual ships is pointless. But I apologize, I should have made that clear. I forgot that simpletons rarely can understand that words often have more than one meaning.
"it's nuclear attack sub and aerial reconnasanse escorts were never going to be in any kind of danger"
And before we start hurling insults and claiming expert status in military let's learn how to spell Reconnaissance correctly.
Honestly how stupid can a person be when they have the entire internet in front of them and they can't even spell correctly. Must be one hell of a foolish Simpleton.
I have other things to do with my busy day than worry about typos on the internet. However it is clear the argument has been lost when criticising typos is resorted to...
However it is clear the argument has been lost when criticising typos is resorted to...
Struggling with Grammar? It's Criticizing not criticising simpleton.
If you cannot even spell a basic military term like Reconnaissance correctly than you clearly have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to military. Thank god that you are not in charge of our military, otherwise we would be screwed.
Arguments start with proper grammar, they also require reason which is obviously something you lack. This was fun. Now go back to your Call of Duty simpleton, everything is alright. The U.S. government has plenty of money, real unemployment is on the decline, and Hope and Change have dawned on the entire nation.
Criticising is how it is spelled in every english speaking country other than the US moron...
criticising
As I said above - I am not American...
How's that arguing with an idiot working out for ya?
Dumbass,
CHN has nuke attack and SLBM Boats now.
Those qualify for a Blue Water Navy - albeit a fledgling one.
Also, those Atolls are stationary and have Airfields. I'm sure they'll be packed on the heavy side with SAMs, ASMs, AAAs, Mines, Torpedoes, Conventional Artillery, and Troops.
Diesel Boats should do well near the Atolls, since all working vessels are running their engines/generators.
The US did not send an aircraft carrier. They sent a destroyer that was perfectly capable of defending itself against any threat the Chinese were likely to send.
The United States was pretty careful about where they sailed. They only went near artificial islands that exist only because the Chinese have built them.
"Under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea, 12-nautical mile limits cannot be set around man-made islands built on previously submerged reefs."
It does not matter who owns the actual Spratley Islands. If the quoted passage is correct then the United States was within its rights to go where they did.
"The US did not send an aircraft carrier. They sent a destroyer that was perfectly capable of defending itself against any threat the Chinese were likely to send."
One reason the US didn't send a carrier is that carrier battle groups have ZERO defense against the mach-10 Chinese Dong Feng anti-ship missiles. If the carriers can't defend themselves, what makes you think a destroyer could?
Yes that missle that has never been fired in anger or tested against a moving target, much less a moving target with countermeasures deployed... Much less a target such as a destroyer with ABM capabilities. The same missle system that China admitted in 2011 was still under development. That missle.
I'll put my money on the seppo navy on this one.
Your right,,, China could / should have targeted the offending ship and do it openly so the ship knew it could be toast at any moment. Like all in the military,,, those service people on board were put in jeopardy over a few rocks. It's a stretch to say your defending free shipping floating around poking someone in the eyes. This would have put the ball in ameriKa's park deciding to take out the Chinese targeting offender. I'm sure both militaries were on maximin alert so this could have went serious quickly.
If it is important enough for the affected nations (Australia, Vietnam, etc) then they should be the ones putting their ships and service people in harms way. The USA saying what the Chinese can or cannot do with the islands is indirectly taking ownership themselves.
China has thus far not threatened civil shipping and therefore the USA has no dog in the fight other than bully hegemony.
What exactly would the Chinese have targeted the offending ship with?
Honest question?
You do know those ships have one to three attack sub escorts and 24 hour aerial reconnasanse support. They also have an anti ship and air to ground capable attack helo on the rear deck.
"You do know those ships have one to three attack sub escorts and 24 hour aerial reconnasanse support. They also have an anti ship and air to ground capable attack helo on the rear deck."
Those ships also have zero defense against Chinese mach-10 anti-ship missules and are well within their strike range. That's why the big bad US keeps their aircraft carriers out of range, at least 2000 km from China.
As for the attack subs, they would be too busy maneauvering to avoid collision with the destroyer as it sinks below them to worry about the islands. And that's assuming the Chinese missiles didn't have small nuclear warheads that would take out the subs at the same time.
In the event the situation evolves into open war, the pissant destroyer ... along with every carrier battle group that the US has ... will be radioactive reefs 30 minutes after the shooting starts. That includes the carriers parked in San Diego.
The US navy is nothing more a huge collection of WWII military technology that only has value when raping, looting, and destoying small defenseless countries with resources, like Libya. It is a waste of time and money as a weapon against well armed countries like China and Russia. Its primary value and purpose is to allow the MIC to extract vast amounts of money from the taxpayer's pocket.
Sir I do love the U.S. so we must disagree on some points. But Thank you. I was going to go into detail about all of the military specs and such but decided not to because this poor simpleton portrays himself as a military expert when he cannot even spell military terms correctly. His argument can be summed up as a bunch of angry curses devoid of common sense. Please understand that not all Americans are like that.
I'm not American imbecile...
America made a mistake saving China from the Japanese in the 1940s.
Yes, and they are still our allies.
Only now we call them the Taiwanese.
the world needs to boycott USA ... no trade, no US dollar usage, no purchase of bonds...no CIA, no embassys, no US BS...no US bases...no more crap movies or music...and most of all...no US ponzi schemes from Wall st and banks...
US is just a fraud nation - it's a 3 dressed up as a nine
A 3 self indentifying as a 9.
Only thing that takes down the US is a currency crisis.
It's printing and Ponzi schemes to the max now.
Not that I'm going along with boycotting the US, but with social media the people just don't seem to understand the power they have.
Imagine in the past if the people wanted to boycott anything - how are they going to get the message across? Basically it's hard, if not impossible.
But right now, a boycot can be formed within hours and it can just as easy be global.
The people really do have a lot of power these days, but sadly most don't realise it.
peace of shit
Not much difference between China of today and Japan of the 1930's.
True enough. we provoked the war with Japan, and are trying to do the same with China.
The only minor difference is that China has about 5 to 6 times the population of the US and all the natural resources the US has.
I almost forgot to mention that the US had enormous manufacturing strength ... which is now in China.
We should hit China now before it gets too pissy, show these little guys what freedom is all about.
But where will we get that cheap crap we all love so much?
The story as covered by National Public Radio this morning was much more tepid. They said that China had offered a mild protest against the US Freedom of the Seas exercise in which a US warship sailed 12 miles from a Chinese claimed Island. A Chinese ship followed the USN ship and offered a warning about the 12 mile limit.
It was nothing like this ZH story. Now I know NPR's reputation as being totally compromised by the CIA and State Department. NPR acts as an official US Government news agency. And I listen to it as a way of seeing what the US Government Party Line is on any such issue.
Thus the USA is playing down the incident and nothing but a routine freedom of seas navigation. Not a provocation.
Meanwhile, in budget debates, the US Military is looking for large increases for Navy and Air Forces due to the Russian threat and the China threat. A new cold war is already fully underway, it will cost Americans about 1.5 billion a year IF no war is underway like Iraq of Afghanistan.
You do realize China will be directly funding those increases right???
NPR PBS... just more zio shills... paid and staffed
"it will cost Americans about 1.5 billion a year IF no war is underway like Iraq of Afghanistan."
First off,,, your absolutely correct and the following is just an addition to what you have wrote.
1.5 billion is pocket change for the printers at the Federal Reserve which contrary to popular belief is a part of the USSA federal government. America cannot afford another war, cold or hot on a baby sitting, lawn mowing, waiter economy. They'll print until the dollar is worthless and everyone is in the poor house. That was the bankster designs from the beginning when it and two fraudulently ratified amendments were approved.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/
The claim is this is the Board of Governors, with El Chiefo appointed so therefore deserves the .gov. El Chiefo and the other robber barrons completely control their .org children which makes the whole fraudulent thing a part of government.
Bottom line is,,, so long as ameriKans continue to use the FRN the "bank" (aka Federale's) will continue to print, This is the epitaph of all empires, real and wannabees like the USA.
Mild protest? The Chinese government has a different perspective (see: http://www.china.org.cn/world/2015-10/27/content_36904006.htm ).
This entire dispute around the Spratly Islands has been going on for decades between the various regional powers (e.g.,Vietnam, China, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia, etc.). The real issue is the potential wealth of oil and natural gas deposits in the SCS (South China Sea) akin to the gold rushes of the 19th century. Everybody is jumping in to grab what they can and China is no different.
China should have remained silent about the 12 mile territorial claim and continue to improve the reef (and others) to the point where it becomes either a military base of operations like the U.S. has done with its territorial possessions or a platform for undersea oil and gas exploration. It's all about the exploitation of natural resources and China wants its share like the other sovereign nations in the region.
The statement floated in the media that China may interfere with international commerce on the high seas is ridiculous and just an excuse for the U.S. to stick its nose into the fray. Here is a list of 10 territorial possessions claimed by the U.S. that are uninhabited and used as military research facilities or bases of operation: Bajo Nuevo Bank, Baker Island, Howland Island, Jarvis Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, Navassa Island, Palmyra Atoll, Serranilla Bank and Wake Island.
Are the Chinese complaining about them? No, so why is the U.S. trying to instigate a confrontation? How would the U.S. respond if China sailed a warship near those locations?
If any of you Zerohedgers actually see the map of where the Spratly's are, well, the US did the right thing. How on Earth can China claim that they have sovereignty that far down is beyond any logical thinking. Vietnam, Philippines are correct that they have claim because it is practically right in front of their borders.
"practically right in front of their borders"... rrrrrrright. care to state how many miles outside of their borders? as a reminder, the theory about borders is that it's either inside or outside
that's BS cause US's allies are doing the same as China in the Spratlys... it's ok for US and allies... no good for anyone else... US is evil...face it
Who else is building islands in the spratlys? Just askin?
Poland Spring :If any of you Zerohedgers actually see the map of where the Spratly's are, well, the US did the right thing. How on Earth can China claim that they have sovereignty that far down is beyond any logical thinking. Vietnam, Philippines are correct that they have claim because it is practically right in front of their borders.
Two words: Marshall Islands.
Because they built the islands.
So the US is the global naval police?
I think that is the issue.