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US Ally Saudi Arabia Bombs Another "Doctors Without Borders" Hospital
Whenever you’re running an air campaign there’s always the possibility of collateral damage. In simpler terms, we you’re dropping bombs on populated areas, you’re invariably going to kill some non-combatants.
Now ideally, you want to keep the number of dead civilians to a minimum, which is why The Intercept’s recent investigative report on America’s drone program was so disturbing - it turns out 90% of people killed aren’t the intended target.
And while that would be bad enough on its own, the US and its regional allies in the Mid-East have recently made a number of “mistakes” while attempting to strike Taliban and Houthi targets in Afghanistan and Yemen, respectively.
The most high profile screw up came earlier this month when US warplanes somehow mistook a hospital run by the medical aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres, or Doctors without Borders, in the Afghan city of Kunduz for a Taliban hangout.
The aftermath of the US bombing:
A subsequent report by AP suggests US Green Berets and officials in Washington knew full well they were firing on a hospital but believed there was “a large group of Taliban fighters in it.” Here’s more from AP:
The new information adds to a body of evidence that the U.S. military was closely examining the internationally run medical facility site, raising questions about whether the decision to attack it on October 3 violated international law. The attack left a mounting death toll, now up to 30 people. By one account, U.S. troops requested the air strike after coming under fire.
In the days before the attack, "an official in Washington" asked Doctors without Borders "whether our hospital had a large group of Taliban fighters in it," spokesman Tim Shenk said in an email. "We replied that this was not the case. We also stated that we were very clear with both sides to the conflict about the need to respect medical structures."
Taken together, the revelations raise the possibility that U.S. forces destroyed what they knew was a functioning hospital, which would be a violation of the international rules of war. The Pentagon has said Americans would never have intentionally fired on a medical facility. It's unclear why the Green Beret unit requested the strike - and how such an attack was approved by the chain of command - on coordinates widely known to have included a hospital.
Doctors without Borders officials say the hospital was not under Taliban control and that no gunmen were operating from within the compound - about six city blocks square with the one-story hospital situated some two blocks back behind a 12-foot wall - when the AC-130 gunship made five passes, firing for an hour.
Doctors without Borders has said it was frantically calling Kabul and Washington during the attack, trying to make the U.S. aware of what was unfolding as patients died in their beds.
You can draw your own conclusions there and you’re encouraged to read the full AP report.
Of course that’s not the only example of questionable targeting by “coalition” forces. In September, the Saudi-led coalition battling Iran-backed rebels in Yemen struck a wedding party in in the Red Sea village of Al-Wahijah killing dozens upon dozens including “many” women and children. The groom was allegedly affiliated with the Houthis. About a week later, the Saudis bombed another wedding south of Sana'a killing dozens more Yemenis.
Finally, Western media reported last week that Russian warplanes are targeting hospitals in Idlib and Aleppo. Here’s what the Russian foreign ministry had to say about those reports (via Maria Zakharova):
"There are so-called mass media reports which allege that Russian aircraft bombed a field hospital in the Idlib Governorate in northwestern Syria and reportedly killed 13 people. I cannot say that these reports are written by journalists but their ingenuity delights. This information appears with reference to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights based in London. As we all understand, it is very ‘convenient’ to cover and observe what is happening in Syria without leaving London and without the ability to collect information in the field.”
Again, draw your own conclusions.
On Tuesday we learn that yet another Doctors Without Borders facility has been bombed, this time in Saada, Yemen. As Reuters reports, Saudi warplanes apparently “destroyed the entire hospital with all that was inside.” Here’s more:
A Yemeni hospital run by medical aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) was hit by a Saudi-led air strike, the group said on Tuesday, the latest bombing of a civilian target in the seven-month air campaign in Yemen.
"MSF facility in Saada Yemen was hit by several air strikes last night with patients and staff inside the facility," the group said in a tweet on Tuesday.
Yemen's state news agency Saba, run the Iran-allied Houthi group that is the coalition's enemy, quoted the Heedan hospital director saying that several people were injured in the attack.
"The air raids resulted in the destruction of the entire hospital with all that was inside - devices and medical supplies - and the moderate wounding of several people," Doctor Ali Mughli said.
Saba said other air strikes hit a nearby girls school and damaged several civilian homes.
It was not immediately possible to confirm that report, and a coalition spokesman was not immediately available for comment.
.@MSF facility in #Saada #Yemen was hit by several airstrikes last night with patients & staff inside the facility. pic.twitter.com/MicfUT571V
— ????? ??? ????-????? (@msf_yemen) October 27, 2015
View from the roof of .@MSF hospital in #Saada, #Yemen that was hit by multiple airstrikes last night. pic.twitter.com/a7Hpf14VJM
— MSF UK Press Office (@MSF_Press) October 27, 2015
And so, once more we see the head of the UN Human Rights Council displaying little regard for human life as Riyadh, Doha, and the UAE continue relentless airstrikes in the proxy war against their bitter regional rival Iran.
It's worth noting here that reports of "collateral damage" are par for the proverbial course in Yemen. Since Saudi airstrikes began in March, more than 2,300 civilians have been killed according to the UN. UNICEF estimates some 500 of those were children. Of course the Houthis and Riyadh routinely tell completely different stories when it comes to who's responsible for civilian casualties, but at the end of the day, innocent people are dying as a result of what's become a multi-front sectarian-fueled, regional power struggle - that's pretty much all you need to know.
Expect far more "mistakes" like the ones described above from both sides (that is, from the US and its regional allies and from the Russian-Iran alliance) and expect everyone involved (well, except for the victims) to write it off with prepared statements that approximate the following old idiom: "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs."
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This is what happen when you give amphetamines to military pilots.
Really? Name one.
Bombs Another "Doctors Without Borders"
Do you believe in miracles?
These hospitals are obviously desired targets!
Fool me once....shame on you.
Fool me twice.....
The AC-130 made FIVE PASSES firing for an hour.
Obviously an accident.
Like the USS LIBERTY was an accident.
Hey, speaking of amphetamines, here's a Saudi prince, caught with a load of it on his private plane, destined to get a buzz into the head-choppers on the front line. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/26/saudi-prince-held-two-tonnes-amphetamines-airport-beirut
Do the Saudis think they are exceptional or something? Murican is the only exceptional nation, therefore we are allowed to bomb hospitals because America. And the rest of the world will just have to learn to love us anyway. But the Saudis have no right to commit this atrocity. They aren't exceptional...
Sounds like the CIA does not control the "Doctors without Borders" NGO. This is what you call a hostile takeover bid, USSA style.
"Médecins Sans Frontières was created in 1971, in the aftermath of the Biafra secession, by a small group of French doctors and journalists who believed that all people have the right to medical care regardless of race, religion, creed or political affiliation, and that the needs of these people outweigh respect for national borders." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Médecins_Sans_Frontières
Did anyone expect anything less from our "friends" the Saudis?
About time we divorce ourselves from our marriage to these Sunni rats. Maybe go back to minding our own fucking business?
You can be damn sure that both the planes and bombs had a "Made in Amerika" stamp on them.
pods
Did Obama (and Saudi Arabia) Bomb Doctors Without Borders for Opposing TPP?
A second bombing for good measure no less?
http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/10/did-obama-bomb-doctors-without-bo...
Wow, did MSF threaten to stop being a weapons/drugs mule for USSA or something?
It sure sounds like they've gone rogue. A whole new French Connection which, coincidentally?, was released the same year they were created.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_French_Connection_%28film%29
The organization is considering changing its name to "Doctors Without Hospitals"
although the considered change is only nominal at this time, they are being forward looking.
MSF can simply make the formal complaint to the representative for their region of the UNHRC which just happens to be... Ibrahim Abdul Aziz Alsheddi from ... wait for it.... Saudi Arabia.
Their website actually says this regarding membership to the HRC. "The General Assembly takes into account the candidate States' contribution to the promotion and protection of human rights, as well as their voluntary pledge and commitments in this regard." Obviously those pledges are preceeded by a $ and followed by a bunch of 00000's.
Ibrahim is no doubt all over this investigation. We will just have to wait for the unbiased report.
It's a mixed bag for this org. Pro-Vaccine, Anti - TTIP, or is it something more, as in grey?
They cross a lot of borders, who knows.
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/vaccines-webcast
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/help-us-fix-tpp
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Doctors-without-scruples
Yep, and if we allow ourselves to see this not as a mistake but as a tactic, it appears that the intent is to demonstrate that there is no place to hide, no safe haven, even if you are wounded and no longer present a risk. It is also a message to MSF - if you provide comfort to our enemies, we will kill you. Nice. In my view, the doctors and nurses of MSF in war-torn parts of MENA are far more courageous, and human than those piloting AC 130s and those guiding their fire, and the entire chain of command - they are all murderous cowards that should be tried and hanged in the Hague.
They are MORONS above all. War torn third world shitholes are not all equal. These places are muslim. Sure the MSF get points back in France for their virtuous selflessness and bolster their self images doing this, but the people in these countries hate infidels. If MSF could cure people of Islam, that would be a real advance, as it is the main cause of poverty and violence in such places.
If MSF could cure people of Islam, that would be a real advance, as it is the main cause of poverty and violence in such places.
Truth. Islam is not a religion; it merely has a religious component. It is a socio-political system whose sole intention is to control every aspect of every life on this planet. It's a megalomaniacal sociopathy masquerading as a religion.
Is blowback real? ABSOLUTELY. But that doesn't mean that Islam is not a bloodthirsty blight upon the collective consciousness of humanity. And before anyone starts in with "but Jesus..." I should point out that JESUS never said to kill anyone. Muhammed most certainly DID. (BTW, I am not a Christian.)
Westeners always need the black and white dichotomy thing. Islam spread around the Indian Ocean because it codified law and business practices in a way that advanced trade, powered by the prefictable Monsoon winds. In short, Muslims could trust Muslims, enabling colaboration, enabling wealth. If you became a Muslim, you could get in on the deals. This is not the only example of something similar. Christian traders on Europe's Atlantic coast wound up spreading Christianity among the Pagans the same way. Some Pagans took offence at bring cut out and picked up arms to attack the new system. We call these people the Vikings.
It's a drug runner 'turf battle'.
I believe that MSF staunchly opposes the pharmaceutical takeover that is codified in the TTIP.
Someone (USSA) is sending a message.
MSF deserves what they get when they refuse CIA/NSA/DIA orders to spy of their "enemy" patients, perhaps to even insert RFID devices? Maybe after a few C-130 "sales calls", MSF will wake up to the New American Reality.
They're being hard pressed to make a choice between Hippocratic Oath and being hypocritic oafs.
No, they do. Doctor's without borders is a notorious CIA front. They either have kicked out the CIA lately or the CIA is trying to run a false flag and like every politician and cop in America seems to forget that everybody on the planet, except Ukrainian Press has a camera phone....
They are destroying the moral argument (the illusion of a moral wall) that 'they wouldn't do that', or 'we wouldn't do that' demonstrating that they most certainly would do that and do do that. My thinking started changing when I realized they would destroy Iraq and murder a million plus people on a lie and that they would then employ torture for 'confessions' in an attempt to cover the lies. That realization was what it took for me to more closely examine deep events like 9/11 and, from the evidence, draw alternative conclusions. As people, through these further examples of moral bankruptcy, begin to understand the evil that is practiced, will perhaps challenge people to examine their own illusions. In this way perhaps evil exposes and eventually destroys itself.
This battle is a spiritual battle to be won with spiritual weapons, IMHO.
This battle is a spiritual battle
Our war is a spiritual war and our great depression is our lives.
You describe the moral considerations well. However, this is a prime component of warfare in general, particularly modern warfare. There is rarely a national military as "The Enemy." The true Enemy is the civil structure to be destroyed, the ability for The Others to live as civilized human beings. To that end, all the structure and infrastructure of society is the military target. Weddings, hospitals, schools, water treatment facilities, power plants, food supply chains, etc.
The fact that this truth is abhorrent to decent human beings is a sign of the weakness of civilians. Therefore, civilians must be intentionally misled, left uninformed, or at least bombarded with enough conflicting information and rationalizations that they shut down and stop thinking about things that are "above their pay grade" and best left to the professionals.
When the US military is used within the US to defend American Freedom from Terrorists, there will be a few confused individuals who will take it upon themselves to interfere in thought, if not in deed. This is anticipated and well accounted-for in the planning.
And likewise, you well describe current neocon thinking, the concept of total war and its consequential contingency planning.
God help us.
Had to log in just to up-vote.
Without a doubt, swmnguy 'gets it.'
Yeah well, I don't like the last line. "This is anticipated and well accounted-for in the planning."
The enemy is by no means omnipotent.
a spiritual battle to be won with spiritual weapons, IMHO...
Agreed. I'm convinced the primary weapon is no longer opinion though, it's faith, and we shouldn't be humble about it any more either. Christians need no more evidence as to the rightness of their faith in the Christ than to see God's permissive will, (and humor) in action by the presence of a mosque on the temple mount.
Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”
Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.” John 4:21-26
It's time for us to laugh with God's humor.
jmf
To be honest, MSF might want to make their stenciling a bit larger. Not that it would have mattered.
For Saudi apes, hospital symbol and crosshair on target indistinguishable. Lesson learned American trainers.
99% sure MSF shares the GPS coords for every one of their facilities with both sides of the theater for just this reason.
Not one little excuse for this barbarism.
It's 100% fact that they do, which is why there is ZERO reason for all of this (other than the total disregard for human life [spreading "freedom" and "democracy" my ass!], it's certifiably nothing short of WAR CRIMES).
Actually, MSF should remove any and all identifying marks. They are a military target, whether or not this is openly acknowledged. All civilian infrastructure is targeted in the Wars of Empire.
It's probably the big red X's on the roofs. Which actually raises a serious question about the Syrian Disinformation Observatory's accusation - did ISIS or Al CIAda request properly identified field hospital tents from their CIA handlers? In practice, a field hospital is anywhere two medics are gathering for a smoke break. In international law, the requirements for a field hospital are a bit more stringent, which benefits the doctors, the bombers, and the MIC's bottom line.
all true, but isn't the activity of "Doctors Without Borders" well documented?
again, I am living in a - perhaps dreamworld - of carefully planned missions instead of gung-ho "let's see what targets I can spot"
"Carefully planned" would depend in specific circumstances. There are (were) a ton of manuals they make you read, and elaborate procedures that everyone seems to follow. However, the fact that large amounts of irrational prayer is standard operating procedure along with double checking the smoke color, signaling and whether you're using the right map implies that faith in the procedures has its limits (at least among those on the ground).
"Targets Without Borders"?
I'm starting to think if MSF had been a little less critical of Obama, those two hospitals would be still standing.
They should call themselves "Doctors Without Hospitals"
Misnomer: Doctors Without Boarders. Soon to be Borders Without Doctors. We're losing, or have long ago, lost our humanity and right to exist on this planet.
Really? Name one.
Unfortunately we can't because war crimes are classified. Isn't that how you get away with bombing hospitals with doctors and patients in them in the first place?
Just ask these people in this video and the U.S. Army pfc rotting in a jail cell for telling the truth!
The point - which you completely missed - was that anyone who believes military pilots are conducting combat operations while high on mind-altering drugs like amphetamines, and that this is somehow a causal factor of the targeting of hospitals, is a blithering idiot who has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
Thanks for the correction.
You have to be a civilian pilot to enjoy the meth runs called the No-Doze Express.
You are correct. Hospitals and the rest of civilian infrastructure are not targeted due to drug use by pilots. They are targeted because the goal of wars of Empire is to destroy the ability of people to live when and where Empire has decided they should not. A totally different issue altogether.
"Really? Name one."
Here's two:
"Majs. Harry Schmidt and William Umbach facing up to 64 years in prison for a friendly fire incident over Kandahar, Afghanistan, on April 17 that killed four Canadian soldiers and wounded eight others ... the Air Force gave them $30 million F-16 fighter jets, laser-guided precision munitions, state-of-the-art technology, and something that came as a complete surprise — amphetamines. "
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123779
I remember that. It was from about 15 years ago. Those pilots were reporting exhaustion from 12+ hour flights several days a week. The Dexedrine - basically a stay-awake pill, was one way the USAF gave them of dealing with the fatigue. Technically, I have to concede, Dexedrine is an amphetamine. So it makes for great headlines when something goes wrong. But it's nowhere near the kind of drugs people usually associate with the word "amphetamine," eg. meth. Taking Dexedrine does not mean that the pilots become "high" in the cockpit. In fact, in the mission in question, I don't believe this was determined to be a causal factor in the friendly fire incident.
I never knew anyone with whom I flew helicopters (Navy, not Air Force) who took such a thing.
None of this has anything to do with the mishaps involving the MSF hospitals.
Drugged pilots arguably have an excuse. Undrugged pilots that deliberately target hospitals do not.
Too many variables in that dichotomy.
First, remove the "deliberately" qualifier from your so-called "undrugged pilots" category. I think it's reasonable to say no aircrew would have attacked a hospital had they known that's what it was.
Then you have a question that essentially equates to whether or not the driver who plowed through a bus full of schoolkids was drunk or not, and how that impacts culpability.
But even that isn't fair, as the drug we're talking about is nothing more than a stay-awake pill, that apparently works very well, and causes no immediate side effects. We're not talking about crystal meth here! So, all other things being equal, the pilots using it will be MORE alert, MORE likely to correctly assess the situation, than those who are not.
Fail.
High on freedom and chasing it with a slug of Victory Gin. Onward Oceania.
This is what you get from recruting Affirmative action pilots
The politically incorrect truth is that "those" guys usually don't make it through pilot training.
Well, I guess that means we'll just have to lower the standards a little. Equality.
"Equality" standards get them in the door.
Not being able to fucking land... gets them out.
C'mon that wasn't nearly rayciss enough; this is ZH, we have standards!
This is what happens when you try to go from camels to gunships in a generation.
I was under the impression that warplanes get carefully planned strike missions with primary and secondary targets?
Watch a Snoopy cartoon. Pilots are just buzzing around looking for enemy sleeve bands like Michael Jackson used to wear.
A better question is: "What conversations and investigations are these military pilots initiating after finding out that the targets their intelligence sources gave them actually were hospitals full of women and children?"
If I were still doing military aviation, and I hit one of these "targets" with so much as a 9mm pistol round, I'd be screaming bloody murder up the chain of command.
The problem is the petulant whiney bitch queen is at the top of the chain of command, and MSF got on his bad side.
No. That's not the cause of targeting hospitals. The President doesn't have that much power, and can't be everywhere at once to micromanage the battlespace anyway. If he did, and abused that power in the manner you suggest, you'd see pilots resigning their commissions left and right.
ROTFLMAO... Sorry but that honor thing is a Hollywood creation and not reality.
How many hundreds of thousands of civilians have these guys sent to their deaths?
Resign their commissions. LOL
Fucking squadrons of McCains.
Next thing you will be telling us that if there was corruption or abuse of authority in police forces the cops would be resigning in droves. LOL
Did you just compare military officers who are professional pilots to dropout nobodies who become cops?
Barking Cat did but he neglected to mention that the military officers are more brainwashed than the "dropout" cops. A cop occaisionally ponders whether he is beating a neighbor but a military officer only sees Stars and Stripes.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I never bought much of the war propaganda when I was a naval officer; and I remember discussing geopolitical events all the time with my fellow officers at the squadron. There were as many different views of What We Were Doing as there were men in the room. For my part, I'll say that the education I received at Annapolis was far and away less propagandized than that I would have gotten at other Ivy League schools that were not affiliated with a mliitary service branch. And I killed my TV when I was an O-2, and never looked back. So I don't want to hear any bullshit about getting brainwashed by news from Fox.
How many books have you read this year, cro_maat?
Forgive them, the concept of an ethical war fighter who knowingly signs on with the post 911 empire is a difficult concept to get. They forget one enters the system hoping to humanize it and put it on a correct track. Later you learn that the full chain-of-command leads to unexpected destinations with allegiances far outside those in one's oath of service.
So tell me. When flying combat missions does it ever cross your mind that you are violating the explicit meaning as well as the spirit of the US Constitution, which you swore to uphold???
Unless Congress declares a war every single military action is a violation of the Constitution. Only exception would be defensive action against an attack.
That means anything after Korea is unconstitutional.
Yeah, I am comparing the arrogant flyboys to cops.
Maybe I should appologise to cops. Their dead innocent civilians score is much lower.
I really do wish there were more discussion over this. At some point we have to decide whether the Constitution is the fundamental law of the land or not.
You have no idea who you're talking to.
When flying combat missions does it ever cross your mind that you are violating the explicit meaning as well as the spirit of the US Constitution, which you swore to uphold???
Yes. And I complained loudly about this. I resigned my commission in 2007 (after completing of my service obligation) rather than continue my career as a military pilot. In my resignation, I enclosed a harshly written critique of Mr. Bush's War, citing the unconstitutionality and blatant criminality of the enterprise.
You have obviously never met any military pilots. They (I should say "we") are intelligent enough to earn a 4-year degree and complete some form of basic officer training. Then, one spends 2 years going through pilot training, which is designed to be very difficult. Attrition rate is 25% or more. It's the P.E., Board Certification, and the Bar Exam rolled into one. Arrogance is something younger pilots possess. It disappears as you bury your friends. That transition is quick.
Cops, on the other hand, are archetypically uneducated bullies in search of a job that allows them to bully people better off than they - and get paid to do it. They don't learn the right lessons from their on-the-job experiences; rather, experience makes them see everyone they encounter as a "bad guy." So they get worse - not better - the longer they're on the job. I'm painting with a broad brush here; but the exceptions establish the rule.
Not that this proves anything one way or another, but what you said does give me pause:
The best always leave first. You resigned in 2007 and you even say you were pissed off about what you witnessed. It is now 2015 - 8 years later. Every good pilot who leaves for these reasons is bound to be replaced by a recruit who won't have the same proclivity for making waves. For 8 years.
I also see this happening now with the police.
When the best leave, they do it silently and quickly. Few in charge seem to notice. What's left behind is a rather remarkable shit show.
Note: I'm not criticizing you or attacking your ethics, service, judgement, etc. I'm pointing out that when clean water evaporates, the barrel may well fill up with shit.
I tend to agree with you, BUT...
It really depends on the perception of what is viewed as being a micromanaged affair vs what is considered a key strategic targer. Remember: there is a LOT of psyops going on. Consider:
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/prestapes/e2.html
I have my doubts as to whether Obama is really running any show here. Whether he's been suckered, blackmailed or is just plain complicit, he is NOT the BIG PLANNER. The neo-cons that have had these plans drafted up for ages are putting those plans in action, it is THEM calling the shots.
Most likely POTUS is being told that something is seen as an important target and then he's asked to rubber-stamp it.
Yes, all sorts of possible "reasons," but, I like to keep things within the realm of probabilities.
Meth addicts are not the best at fine or high-level discernment.
The entire middle east is strung out on meth.
Captagon is meth. Saudis are the biggest meth dealers in the world right now.
http://kickerdaily.com/saudi-prince-arrested-largest-drug-bust-in-lebanon/
Hey, at least now we get the see the "face" of ISIS...
http://www.thewhiskeyjournal.com/51804742981/
Saudi Royal, Four Others Detained in Beirut Captagon BustHence my original post. The drugs were on their way to Saudi.
They should chop their heads off for that crime.
Any foreigners caught in Shithole Arabia would certainly be put to death under these circumstances.
I wonder how the Lebanese will deal with them. If this happens in the West they are simply put on a plane back to SA without charges. But Lebanon is under the influence of Hezbollah and Iran and they don't particularly like Saudi royals or Sunnis.
"The entire middle east is strung out on meth."
Really, the ENTIRE middle east? Where's the data on that?
Even though there's a LOT of meth activity in the US I'd never go so far as to say that the ENTIRE US is strung out on meth.
These sorts of statements only help Madison Avenue to sell us war as it paints another "evil" band on everyone over there (that won't allow dictation by the US).
Yeah, the Luftwaffe pilots called them 'Stuka tabletten'. The whole German army was doped out on them. Hitler also and many more medications. Göring was a heroine addict.
Just following its Master's lead. This crime along with thousand others that Saudi Arabia has committed in Yemen will be whitewashed by the free and fair press of the West:
New evidence that US Army deliberately targeted hospital in Kunduz
By Joseph Kishore27 October 2015
It is now more than three weeks since the October 3 massacre by US military forces of medical personnel and patients at the Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) medical center in Kunduz, Afghanistan. Aided by the media, the US military and the Obama administration are continuing their efforts to cover up and whitewash a war crime.
On Monday, the Associated Press published a report providing further confirmation that the facility was targeted and bombed by US military personnel with full knowledge that it was a functioning hospital. The attack lasted for an hour, destroying the building and killing 30 people, including at least 13 MSF staff members and 10 patients.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/27/kund-o27.html
A distaste for military attacks on civilian infrastructure is a scruple Empire cannot tolerate.
JustObserving, Of course it was DELIBERATE. I am surprised that you people haven't figured this out immediately.
The Omelet is the message, the Eggs are the doctors and nurses. Put another way: "The Medium is the Message", Marshall McLuhan fans.
Message to MDs: War crime or not, "Thou shall not give (medical) aid or comfort to our enemies, lest you too suffer the same fate."
Message to 'Enemies': "Do you really want to keep fighting, if the doctors desert you? Eventually your morale will be degraded to the point of becoming an ineffective force."
Message to Human Rights Protesters: "Good luck with that 'War Crime' thing -- WE say what is a war crime, when and where. WE are in charge."
People now have the choice to either accept the message, or shove it down their criminal throats. There is no in-between, no mere 'protesting'.
BTW, where is that phony, limited-hangout group, called Anonymous? Any more faux attacks on TPTB? I.e. attacks that don't actually hurt them, but only serve to make them stronger. Or do the juvenile/immature psyches at Anonymous like to pick on small-fry, to make themselves feel better? Just asking, as to their true Mission.
Don't you mean "US ally Saudi Arabia"? Not surprising. They are in charge of the UN human rights council. In today's Orwellian world id say that fits the profile.
Saudi King Wins Nobel Peace Prize
(look under your seat! you may be a winner too!)
Well, you can't please all the people all of the time :)
Seriously, MSF should consider getting a better class of patient.
Do you think your children would be a "better class of patient?"
I hope this garbage as he never any kids. Such should not breed.
WOW! It's like you were a MILLION MILES away from him and you shot him right between the eyes, with a Daisy Rifle, and KILLED HIM!
This is how you slam someone back. This is what the very word "trenchant" was meant for. Very well done!
This piece of dogshit is a terrorist supporter, he has no moral values to appeal to. The only thing for them is the same thing the Russians are doing, Sending them straight to hell. Funny they always seem to find their way.
That's because everything goes to hell, unless YOU prop it up.
America's precious "ally" will be whitewashed of this crime in no time.
With "friends" like Israel and Saudi Arabia, the US doesn't need enemies. But, birds of a feather and all that. You are who you associate with.
But this is the pervasive zietgiest of a corrupt empire.
The "Nature Conservancy" (I have to make the ellipses qualification) "partners" with the following paragons of environmental responsibility:
EnergySolutions
Kennecott Copper
Monsanto
Rio Tinto/MacMoran Corp
there are others, but you get my point.
Or take this "Environmentalist" organization, the Grand Canyon Trust. Here is a short list of its Board of Directors, and what they represent:
Ty Cobb- lawyer- AIG insider
Patrick van Bargen- uranium industry lobbyist
David Bonderman- Wall Street bandit, connected to Russian Mafia
James Babbitt- steals money from little old Navajo Grandmas
Carter Bales- I shit you not, the architect of the Enron business model.
Lewis Callister- alum, the Keating Gang, alum, Goldman Sachs
I could go on, but to make the point. Obviously, these are not men who care about their fellow man. Do they care about the Grand Canyon? Does the Pope shit in the woods? They have ne agenda- to steal shit from other people. The Nature Conservancy and the GCT are simply gangs with the sole purpose of doing just that.
So, I ask, "Are we surprised that the US' biggest allies in the ME are a gang of Nazi racist genocidal maniacs and a gang of meth-crazed religio-psycho killers?" We shouldn't be.
U R heavy on the meth today, birds of the same feather and all that.
I am simply running with the theme of the first poster on this thread. If I have to parse my thoughts into plain language for you, here's why I'm talking meth-
It's a horrible, soul-destroying drug, and that makes it almost a perfect irony that the world's exceptional empire, the US, would team up with the Saudis, who have decided to add the crime of meth-dealing to their already long list of horrible inhman activities. Meth goes a long way towards an understanding of how ISIS can committ the horrible atrocities they do. That the meth is supplied by the Saudis, and the weapons ultimately from the US... I don't know, if you don't get it, I can't explain it any better. It's all so sad and wrong that all I can do is find the bitter, bitter humor in it all. I will also mention that in the rural poverty pocket where I live, I have to watch meth literaly DESTROY the lives of sensitive, intelligent young people I have watched grow up from diapers, into strong hopeful youth, and then into toothless, pockmarked, psychotic basketcases in less than a year. There you have it.
I talked to a guy in the Army who worked with Army, Marines and Spec Ops. He said US Troops were given a form of non-addictive and safe meth for Fallujah.
I wonder if it is Captagon.
Meth is evil. It can destroy lives in the blink of an eye.
So this is how the next war will be fought... A far cry from the civility of WWII...
There wasn't much civility in WWII - ask the Chinese, any Jap prisoners, German citizens after fire bombing raids, German women in Berlin after the Russians took the city, Russian peasants, some Jews, some Arabs, London civilians, etc
there were different levels of civility during WWII, depending on the combatants, fronts and... "opportunities"
I suspect it was a bit tongue-in-cheek. But anyway, yes, thanks for pointing out that all wars are hell. The very words "civility" and "war" don't belong in the same sentence.
Where is the gun cam video from the AC-130??? Fucking assholes.
Good luck.....we're still waiting for the Benghazi footage.
Insert hysterical diabolical laughter here <-------
Forget the Benghazi footage. Michael Bay has that covered with his new movie. You can't argue that a movie will be more powerful than actual footage anyway. You couldn't get more than a few thousand to watch 2 hours of footage.
(Michael Bay's 13 hours trailer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MBjAN7jqsQ
I just can't get why people are so hung up on Benghazi (unless they're Party Pussies). The US govt set it all up: that Clinton helped or commanded the action is secondary to the FACT that this was pretty much just a sub-plot of the BIG PLAN. The Republicans don't like that Stevens got off'd; well, we really don't know what the "Republicans" (just another branch of the neo-cons) wanted here, but it was a good selling point for their marketing (marketing of brand "X" of the neo-con company). Stevens had info on the illegal actions undertaken by the US, he was, therefore, a liability. For fuck's sake, this is not anything new here, the US off-ing it's own in order to put in a firebreak.
FOUR people died. Roughly 3.000 people died (and counting) from 9/11- where the fuck is the REAL footage here? (Pentagon) Oh, but that happened on your team's watch, eh?
I realize that it's your life goal to take down the Clintons (with your account name it seems obvious- I read the book on Foster's murder, I get all that), but I'm here to whack Party Pussiness: I'm pro-no-govt, in which case Party Pussy attacks on me cannot work.
One of the dead is a US ambassador. That is pretty much the game changer for politics and political prestige.
I think a tank ran it over or something.
Hitlery is busy getting off over it.
We came. We saw. They died.
Who pays for the outstanding school loans on all these dead docs?
Got a mirror?
Who takes their patients?
How do you take a picture from the roof of a hospital that was destroyed?
Shouldn't you take a picture of the smoldering wreckage from the ground?
Or am I supposed to be looking at a pile of sand three miles in the distance?
what if the roof footage was *before* being hit, to show that the MSF logo is painted on it, so to avoid "collateral damages" during airstrike.
Pilots must have missed that at 3:45 AM - I will still need more proof before I start believing either Twitter feeds or 'news' supplied by an Iranian-backed 'news agency'. Are you trusting Iran-backed news agencies but claiming that U.S. MSM is biased?
Track records, bitch. I check out FarsNews and Press TV regularly. They tel me stuff that the MSM either never tells me, or tells me later with a completely different spin. When fact-checked with other independent news sources, RT, Fars, and Press all come out with a higher grade than MSM. So, yeah, I tend to take their word with more cred than CNN, the green-screen queen.
I do not watch shit TV but CNN, Fox and the rest are always running the Putin is Hitler endless propaganda.
CNN is supposed to be so liberal with their endless white folks are evil and the KKK is alive and well 24x7 but they sure love endless war and the NWO too.
I avoid flying at airports due to TSA irradiating my prostate, dealing with the airport SS and the endless CNN crap spewed at airports. Many McDonalds also run CNN and also some fiteness clubs/gyms.
Hey Jose,
Your on the wrong website. I think yours is down a few levels, in the rung of excrement.
Read before jumping...
Winning!
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They are just doing their job. They are the human right executives.
Just blame the Russian for doing the same, and it will pass.
Hey, MSF. It's a fucking war zone and you're ON the enemy side of the fence. Who did the MSF think they were treating? Don't be naive, MSF knows they're on the enemy's side. The logic of liberals is arrogant and very self serving.
Time for you to wake up. It is an OBLIGATION for enemy combattants to be treated by medics from the other side so MSF is perfectly entitled to paint a red cross or crescent on their building and be left alone. It is true the US denied Geneva Convention rights to German POWs AFTER 1945 but adhering to a few international norms should be a pre-requisite and even Saudi Arabia should conform
+1 second that
Meth has a funny way of destroying the moral compass. Fuck it. It's a building, and like, it's got a giant cross-hairs painted on the roof, in red, no less!
"Fuck it." The motto of meth addicts everywhere, and a lofty ideal to reach up to, if I may say so.
SARC
Yeah, just keep the subliminal messaging going (that "everyone in the middle eastt" is on meth). Whose payroll you on?
Actually, the Sauds were caught at Beirut Airport trying to smuggle 2 tons of amphetamines and cocaine to SA for redistribution in the ME.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/lebanon/11955937/Sa...
The logic of liberals is arrogant and very self serving.
May be, but since they have logic they also have a brain.
He's obviously no fan of logic or decency.
If collateral damage is justified then you should celebrate Dresden and 9-11.
If your goal is to discourage people from helping innocent civvies running from this shit, then you're doing a heckuva job, Brownie, but the arrogance is all yours, dumbfuck.
Those docs probably rejected Obama's Care.
Word is they were going to just pay the fine...should get the check next week.
Did Obama Bomb Doctors Without Borders for Opposing TPP?
Doctors Without Borders Vocally Opposes the TPPMSF, Medecins sans Frontieres, should get some backbone and pull out of all countries with US military bases or under US ally bombardment.
These two hospitals attacks are reprisals for opposing TPP and TTIP so MSF should repeat their opposition to TTP and TTIP (on medical grounds) in the statement of withdrawal from all countries under US military control or attack.
Better yet, start making a list of everyone connected to this, send it around the MD circles, then let the bastards die on the operating table during routine procedures. Show them a pic of the burned out hospital just after applying anesthesia.
Ted Cruz, who some Bibi loving Jonathan Pollard faux conservatives at Free Republic love and think is the next Reagan, loves TPP/TPA plus more H-1Bs.
Ted Cruz joked that Goldman Sachs paid for his healthcare because his wife works there. He does not have ObamaCare. Ted Cruz is another Jeb or Rubio RINO.
Very few of those docs are actually docs, just people brave enough to hazard a warzone for their belief that innocents should receive care despite the ill-advised conflicts of Wahabist shitbags.
They head the "human rights" committee at the UN!!!!....
Who could EVER makes this shit up?....
The only words that keep ringing in the heads of everyone else but Israel, United States and U.K. other that the money they took from the tent dwellers for that job is what V. Putin said a month ago in NYC.
"Do you realize what you have done"?!!!...
V. to answer that profound question. Of course they haven't... After 9/11 they certainly have no intention of ever learning from it... And you'll be the "stick" that will put "it" back in the box for good cause the little whore with the torch and tiara ain't sellin it on the street the way she use to!....
You and the rest of the EU members that are fucking sick and tired of the "bully" with it's bases going on 70 years inside their countires!
sorry but without the US military they would have been wiped out in the WWI & WWII and be prancing around with their right hands stretched out. Obama is taking the USA back decades....and yes I have no idea what the heck we are doing there. But one thing is for sure...as bad as the US is....the Taliban and other muslims groups are worse. It is outrageous that Putin makes more sense than Obama...OUTRAGEOUS
Obama is to USA what Gorbachev was to Soviet Union. Payback time perhaps.
Or Blair to the UK? If so, after receiving enormous speaking fees for a decade or so, Obomber will apologize for the wrong intelligence. But he would have done it anyway.
Donetsk, Ukraine: DPR DENIES “DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS” ACCREDITATION BECAUSE OF ESPIONAGE AND PSYCHOPHARMACEUTICALS’ ILLEGAL SUPPLY
DPR denies “Doctors without borders” accreditation because of espionage and psychopharmaceuticals’ illegal supply.
http://dninews.com/article/dpr-denies-%E2%80%9Cdoctors-without-borders%E...
Maybe dropping bomb is not accident
This is probably more likely in all actuality.
I knew a man once, a very good and honest man, who was in the Vietnam war. He was tasked with reconnaissance on a catholic priest that was supplying the Viet Cong. He followed the priest for weeks, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt the priest was up to no good. The priest was removed and VC activity in that area came to a screeching halt.
Supplying the VietCong with what?
Spiritual guidance? Earthly sustenance?
Obviously not a Catholic priest. They were up to their neck in the Phoenix Program with full CIA support.
Yeah, he most certainly was a Catholic priest, but a French one.
I generally respect all the people in Donetsk (DPR). They have been incredibly brave in battling against the Kiev dual shit-i-zen murdering nazis like Porky and Yats.
Alexander Zakarchenko (DPR PM) appears to be a good man as are Givi and Motorlola.
However, I do not think these hospitals should be bombed.
with the internet today, there is no excuse for these .gov thugs to say we did not know..the military across the world knows what they do and take orders to kill the enemy child grandma doctor nurse mother..unforgiven by many of us. disgust for the military and central governments is all i have left.