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Washington's Syria "Strategy" In Complete Disarray As "Ally" Turkey Bombs US-Armed Rebels
A little over a week ago in “Full Metal Retard: US Launches ‘Performance-Based’ Ammo Paradrop Program For Make-Believe ‘Syrian Arabs’” we outlined what is perhaps the most hilarious Pentagon scheme designed to arm rebels in Syria to date (and that’s saying something).
Following the comical demise of the latest “train and equip” program, the US is out of options for supporting the opposition in Syria and so Washington decided to go back to Old Faithful: the Kurds.
But that presents a problem.
The US is now flying sorties from Incirlik and Turkish autocrat President Recep Tayyip Erdogan hates the Kurds and has gone out of his way to make it clear that Ankara doesn’t distinguish between the PKK and the YPG. For the uninitiated, here’s the problem broken down in bullet points:
- The US is flying from a Turkish airbase
- Access to that airbase came with NATO’s tacit approval of Erdogan’s move to crack down on the Kurdish PKK operating in Turkey (that crackdown is designed to bolster support for the government ahead of elections next month)
- Both the US and Turkey designate PKK as a “terrorist” group
- BUT while Ankara equates the PKK with the Kurdish rebels battling ISIS in Syria, Washington actually supports those same rebels, setting up a conflict of interest
Now clearly, this is beyond absurd. That is, Turkey only got NATOs support for the politically motivated crackdown on the PKK because Ankara agreed to bundle said crackdown with a military campaign against ISIS. But the Syrian Kurds are the most effective ground force of them all when it comes to combating Islamic State. Because those Syrian Kurds are aligned with the PKK, Turkey is effectively trying to say its army is fighting ISIS, the PKK, and YPG all at once even as both the PKK and the YPG are also fighting ISIS.
And so, in an unbelievably silly attempt to keep from angering Erdogan, the US effectively created a fictional group of "Syrain Arabs" and then claimed that YPG had formed an alliance with the made-up army. Next, Washington dropped 50 tons of ammo into the desert (literally) and claimed that the "Syrian Arab Coalition" had retrieved it. Of course it was the Kurds who actually picked it up, the Pentagon just needed a cover story to feed to Ankara in case Erdogan lost his mind. Which he did.
As noted above, all of this comes in the context of what is supposed to be a cooperative effort between the US and Turkey to fight ISIS.
When the deal was struck a few months back (following a suspect suicide bombing in Suruc that served as the pretense for Erdogan's "war on terror"), the two countries agreed to establish an "ISIS-free zone" near Aleppo. Here's the map:
Note that when the US-Turkey alliance was formally established, the Kurds were set to squeeze ISIS from the east and west, meaning that if Washington and Ankara had just left the YPG to their business, the "ISIS-free zone" would have probably been rid of Islamic State in a matter of months. But alas, Turkey convinced the US to tell the YPG to halt their advance and the ensuing awkwardness put Washington in a tough spot, as the US had previously backed the Kurds with airstrikes.
Well now, just days ahead of elections in Turkey which Erdogan is banking on to restore AKP's absolute majority at the expense of popular support for the pro-Kurdish HDP, the Turkish army has now attacked the very same Kurdish fighters that the US just supplied with 50 tons of ammo two weeks ago. Here's The New York Times:
Turkey has confirmed that it struck positions in Syria held by Kurdish militias that over the last year have become the most important allies within Syria of the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State.
The confirmation of the strikes, which the Kurds said took place over the weekend, adds a new level of complexity to the United States’ struggle to put together a coherent strategy to fight the Islamic State in Syria. It also increases tensions between the United States and Turkey, which are nominally allies in the battle against the militant group, but whose interests diverge substantially.
In an interview on a Turkish news channel Monday night, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu of Turkey did not specify when the strikes had taken place, but he said they came after Ankara warned Kurdish fighters not to move west of the Euphrates River.
“We struck them twice,” Mr. Davutoglu said.
The Turkish strikes were in Tal Abyad, a largely Arab border town that the Kurds captured from the Islamic State over the summer. The strikes appear to have been limited — they were said to involve machine-gun fire from across the border and did not seem to cause much damage — but they could suggest a new determination by Turkey to expand military operations against the American-allied group.
More, from NPR:
Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told Turkish television that Ankara had warned the Syrian Kurds known as the PYD that they should not cross west of the Euphrates River — and after the group did so, Turkish jets struck twice at PYD targets.
"U.S. officials have supported the Kurdish efforts to battle ISIS in northern Syria, though it has tried to be sensitive to Turkish concerns about the group, which has ties to Kurdish militants in Turkey who are considered terrorists by both Ankara and Washington.
"Turkey is worried that Syrian Kurds will expand and consolidate their area of control near Turkey's border while fighting ISIS."
So just to drive the point home, US ally Turkey is now firing on a group that the US just handed 50 tons of ammo and weapons to earlier this month and that same group has traditionally proven to be exceptionally effective at fighting ISIS.
Needless to say, this is incoherent to the point of absolute absurdity. Washington is spending millions if not billions in taxpayer dollars to both i) fly sorties from a Turkish airbase ostensibly with the aim of hitting Islamic State, and ii) supply Syrian Kurds with hundreds of tons of weapons and ammo even as "ally" Turkey shoots at those same Kurds.
This has become so convoluted and self-defeating that one wonders how long it will be before someone in Congress decides it's time to take a look at exactly what's going on here and why it seems like this entire debacle is simply too bad to be true.
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Comedy gold...
yep, it gets no funnier :D:D:D
In the blast field I'm sure no humor is present.
Just a guess.
Wait, congress is going to investigate itself?
It doesn't matter what Congress does, or doesn't do. Can't influence the kneegrow. USA is gone.
I sure wish we had some generals or colonels with the intelligence to understand what is going on, and the courage to do the right thing.
Oh well.
Nothing but a bunch of idiot pussies worried about their pensions.
Oath? What oath?
"This has become so convoluted and self-defeating that one wonders how long it will be before someone in Congress decides it's time to take a look at exactly what's going on here and why it seems like this entire debacle is simply too bad to be true."
Sure...they'll analyze it, and no one will have the faintest idea of what's going on. They'll send a sternly worded letter to the DoD with threats of even stronger language in a follow-up letter if things don't magically get clearer. Then they'll go home to their district and tell their constituents how proactive they've been on the ME, and ask for more money for their re-election efforts.
Same as it ever was.
nato joining russia
how much more proof does one need? putin/russia are partners of nyc/dc/aviv, not adversaries
last time i pointed this out on zh the mouthbreathers downvoted me in bulk. likely the fox newz muppets..
http://sbbcnews.com/australia/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/743587-russia-g...
Dear rest of the world,
The US is not your ally. If we say we are, we are lying. If we say we're behind you, it's usually so we can stick the knife in your back. We'll send you off to do our dirty work with nothing more than a hearty handshake and a "good luck" wish. If something goes wrong, we'll walk away and blame you for it. Above all, know this: We are your ally only as long as it is momentarily convenient to be so. When that moment passes, we're gone like a fart in the wind.
Some of you may remember our status after WWII when we were somewhat dependable (depends who you ask). Regardless, please realize those days are over. That was then, this is now.
Sincerely,
United States
so many people mystified that the words from nyc/dc/aviv dont match the actions
actions say russia is a partner
but obama/fox news said.....
pathetic
Leadership and the press is far too loose with words, as in 'friends'.
Nations DO NOT have friends. Nations only have interests. Period.
In the case of America, our leadership has gotten entwined with foreigners who are exerting undue influence in shaping America's laws, policies, public opionions, and elections. We even have dual citizens in government running agencies and in senior advisory positions, as well as holding Congressional office, and virtually controlling our financial system from top to bottom.
Start paying attention to the use of the word 'friend', and see how it might change your perspective. Change the word to 'interests', then try to figurte out if supporting one country or factions against another is really in Americ'a best interests, or if it's really in the interest of some other entitiy.
"Change you can believe in!"
I vote for spending another half billion to train 5 Syrian rebels. It's definitely money well spent.
Although it may well be staged theatre, their addresses to the UN a few weeks back seemed animus.
I regret that I can only give you one green arrow for this. However, by the exact same metric, this applies to every single government employee.
In fairness to some of those Generals, Obama has made it known that he will harm people who publicly disagree with what he wants to do. And, many of those generals (some now not there) are on record as having disagreed with him.
The generals aren't really the problem, they (mostly) know the score. The problem are the elected officials who are little more than petulant lawyers with power over the executive branch.
Yeah right nuubee. What's a sworn oath to a bunch of bedwetters, afraid of loosing their pensions?
OT: ZH is not Officially Meta-Famous (22 seconds in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoO7B9rLBeI
Here is a video from what could be the ISIS airfarce(*) (judging by the logo).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AAFFcx7tEk
A new slogan: ISIS - one mission, many nations
Finally a US puff piece (15:30 onwards)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGzK0w7f4No
* - sarc? but even I don't know for sure.
Edit - at 27:31 the US sent out a B1 against a sniper. WTF?! "By the time we got there the sniper was gone" so we bombed some other shit. US taxdollars at work.
Nothing but a bunch of idiot pussies worried about their pensions.
Doesn't Ray Odierno look like the football coach that you knew in high school that everyone hated that was all mouth in slogans that you could just beat the living shit out of in the parking lot!
Why would any self-aware indivividual except anything less --- or more --- from the president who granted legal immunity from prosecution to the banksters for their fraudclosures --- legal immunity from prosecution to Monsanto for the GMOs --- who continued and expanded Bush's "No Child Left Behind" bullcrap, only to just go on TV the other day and complain about "too many tests" (now there's a no-shit-Sherlock-shit-for-brains moment)?
The MIC (Military Industrial Complex) really doesn't give a rat's rip who gets the weapons, as long as they're the one's supplying them...
Yes, the MIC just achieved total Nirvana: a one-sided war that just keeps bombing itself.
Who with the MIC needs an 'orgazmatron' when you have non-stop wars?
Chaos, Bedlam, Mayhem-------https://youtu.be/kOoW8djN-vo?t=13s
an apt analogy about the asinine antics around Anatolia.
due to luck and determination i've never been but i bet there're jokes.
it's way too f'd up to not. especially at the grunt level.
at the dod/civilian not so much.
My sense of humor and level of cynicism were forever shaped by my time as a grunt.
The ISIS-Safe Zone in Syria which Turkey wants to establish was actually mostly Rojava Kurd land to begin with. Not 'their' land, technically - just where they ended up years ago before the line was drawn on a map. The Rojava Kurds were forceably removed (ethnically cleansed) from that land in Syria a decade or two ago. Turkey 'resettled' that land with ethnic Turkmen and other Turkish Arabs.
Turkey's intent was to split the Kurds in Afrin near the coast from the Kobani Kurds. Before all the ISIS fireworks, the Turks (and to some extend Assad) was worried about a large, unified Syrian Kurdistan across the entire northern border of Syria. Whether Assad participated or not, he at least passively allowed the ethnic cleansing. This is mostly desolate, arid land, so we're not talking huge cities. There were (and are) only a sprinkling of small villages and unimproved roads in that zone. I question whether the Rojava would really be willing to spend the time and lives to retake that land back from ISIS. They would 'like' to claim the land as theirs and stop the Turkish-ISIS supply lines, but they really don't have the weapons or manpower to hold such a huge piece of land that no Kurds currently live on. They would also like the idea of linking Afrin to Kobane, but again - that would be at a great cost. Turkey would undoubtedly pour as much ISIS and arms as necessary to make sure the Kurds couldn't retake that land.
The U.S. is also party to the demand that the Kurds don't go past the Euphrates. They've let the Kurds know that they will not offer any air support to operations beyond the river. So the U.S. has made a deal with Turkey not to help the Kurds kick ISIS ass out of Turkey's ISIS-Safe Zone if the U.S. can use Incirlik. Note Putin has made no such ISIS-protecting deals with the Turks - he will undoubtedly bomb the crap out if ISIS west of Tel Abyad for the Kurds when he gets around to it. And things will get really interesting if the Turks decide to cross the border and attack the Kurds on Syrian soil. I don't think they would be that stupid, but it's not an 'attack on NATO' if Russia smokes a few Turkish F-16s in Syrian airspace or takes out a few Turkish tanks on Syrian soil. Things could get quite interesting.
In the mean time, ISIS has started terrorist activity inside of Turkey, itself. Looks like the head-choppers have come home to roost. If Erdogan doesn't win a majority back in elections next month, he will go full retard. And then there's those two Turkish MPs that have recorded telephone conversations proving Turkey supplied the Sarin to the head-choppers for the East Ghouta CW attack. The U.S. MSM has been pretty silent about that. Imagine how inconvenient for NATO if member Turkey's Intelligence services were buying and supplying Sarin to terrorists. The U.N. would have a hard time explaining why they are not investigating that. Erdogan couldn't weasel out of that one easily, the U.S. would look like fools for falling for the false flag, NATO's existance would be questioned once again, and the U.N. CW team would (once again) prove to be the useless stooges for the West.
This part of Tyler's analysis is completely wrong:
"Note that when the US-Turkey alliance was formally established, the Kurds were set to squeeze ISIS from the east and west, meaning that if Washington and Ankara had just left the YPG to their business, the "ISIS-free zone" would have probably been rid of Islamic State in a matter of months. But alas, Turkey convinced the US to tell the YPG to halt their advance and the ensuing awkwardness put Washington in a tough spot..."
You see, the reason why Kurds were not allowed to engage ISIS in N. Syria is that if they succeed and thus create a Kurd-controlled buffer zone all along the Syrian-Turkish border, ISIS is going to lose access to its most important logistic routes via Turkey. And we all know ZATO can't allow that to happen...
Exactly....you beat me to it, but as soon as I read this, I had to start questioning the agenda of the writer of this article:
" But alas, Turkey convinced the US to tell the YPG to halt their advance and the ensuing awkwardness put Washington in a tough spot..."Total BS. The U.S. could have kept ISIS tiny had we wanted to by doing exactly what Russia is doing.
We simply have not been trying. If we have, we are truly a pathetic country with some of the worst leadership in the history of mankind.
Don't hold your breath.
It isn't like Congress is supposed to have the power to declare war.
We "gots us" a Constitutional Scholar as Commander-In-Chief...
Congress...
Just what's relative.
Full Definition of CONGRESS 1 a : the act or action of coming together and meetingb : coitus
Obama makes Jimmy Carter's failed presidency look brilliant by comparison
NH store clerk scares off robber with significantly larger weaponhttp://tinyurl.com/ofsm5wb
Time for another golf vacation to get his head right
Forget golf; Barry needs a win. He'll probably do the only thing he's good at to get one: droning civilians.
And killing doctors
He's going to the Chicago Bulls opening night game vs. Cleveland. Priorities man, priorities.
As though we should expect anything different from this Commander in Chief...
-Argenta
Clusterfuck of the Century...
Crazytown. I don't think I would even understand this if there was a flowchart.
Turkey, our ally, bombs our other allies, the Kurds, who were fighting our ally, ISIS, who are fighting the Syrian government?
Just for their sanity, I really hope someone in government gets fired. Maybe see Banana Girl having to give blowjobs to some brothers to pay the rent?
pods
Who benefits?
military industry
arrogance
israel
no one gets fired. no one ever gets fired. not in the criminal banks, not in the criminal government. no one. ever. bradley manning and edward snowden, maybe.
who got fired over 9-11? hmmm?
Ask not who got fired over 9/11.
Ask who got promoted, when they should have been fired.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu64cs3hcE8
dum dee dum.
"who got fired over 9-11? hmmm?"
Well a few scientists who disputed the Official Fairytale were fired actually.
I think it's safe to say that the U.S.S.A's ally list is growing smaller every day.
But the enemys list is getting awfully long Doc.Impressively.
Everything Emperor Goebbels touches turns to shit; what else do you need to know?
www.traderzoo.mobi
Lights are on, nobody is home. Appearing to be cluelessly winging it, but like most of what they have done, it will be spun as a come-from-behind, feel-good epic victory that we're all too stupid to understand without some administration hack explaining it
Looks like Erdogan's days are numbered and he's been told that he will be a "bitch" in a Turkish bath house if he keeps this shit up with kike "brain trust" in Tel Aviv and Washington!
You know what?... You can't even blame the "white chimp" any more for the damage control you guys and girls in the IC and military permanently bent over with your hands out just "obeyin"!... IT'S ALL YOU!!!
If I were U.S. military right now at this point in time?... You best collect all your military paraphernalia and take it into the back yard in the ultimate "walk of shame"... pour some gasoline on it and have you and kids make it a bbq complete with dogs and smores, cause I wouldn't want to be walking around OCONUS dressed up in uniform where this is headin if I were you! Nobody wants to know about "you" and your past or remember your presence especially pawn shops moving forward!...
At this point you need to be thinking about your's and your family's future and nothing else!!
Oh yeah almost forgot... Trick or treat motherfuckers!!!
Erdogan is unreliable for the zionist. He questioned the dollar as the glpbal reserve, acts like he is doing deals with Russia for pipelines, wants parts of Syria for himself (along with more of Cyprus and maybe some of the Greek islands) and trys to get NATO to do his fighting.
The west and zionist want to install a puppet who will be controlled. They can use control over the passage as a weapon or just place loads of NATO weapons along it's length.
The Kurds are a mix, it seems. Maybe even split in factions just like the Iraqi military. Portions controlled by massad and portions true to the Kurds.
Would not be surprising for the west/zionist to make a move on Turkey to destabilize it enough for a take over. Seems Erdogan knows this and fears the Kurds will be a tool in this effort.
Here's the moment that Rand Paul asked Hillary about weapons transferred from Libya to Turkey (:52)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG40Iej-Bq4
Israel currently imports 75% of their oil (at a discount) from the Iraqi Kurds through the Kirkuk-Ceyhan pipeline. They have a dozen other schemes to worry about, but I think their oil supply is way up there. They would be careful about upsetting Erdogan. The exception would be - as you noted - is if they can replace him with an acceptable ZATO puppet. The trouble is that there is no suitable candidate.
Erdogan's family is all over the Turkish government like a cancer, and the military intelligence (the Turkish Stazi) is loyal to him. The only way he's going anywhere is a full-blown Turkish civil war. He is a dictator and tyrant - he will never give up the slightest piece of his power and control, and he has put the machine in place to ensure that nobody can remove him.
He's a loose cannon for Israel and the U.S., but can still be bought for the right price. That makes him useful in their eyes. I think Turkey is falling apart, but I just don't see Israel or the U.S. pushing the process. They're more like vultures sitting in a tree waiting to grab what they can after the smoke clears. Until then, they'll just sit and watch Turkey go up in flames - there's not much they (or anyone else) can do about it. If Erdogan has the elections rigged well enough, he might have enough power afterwards to keep Turkey limping along for a few more years.
Turkey is still the final destination for a few tens-of-thousands of soon-to-be homeless ISIS head-choppers, thanks to Russia. The head-choppers will inevitably tear Turkey apart - it's only a matter of 'when'.
good stuff, but to quibble a little - Israel is basically *stealing* oil from Iraq or the Kurds [depending on your perspective] having bought and paid for a number of Kurdish pols.
Quite similar to how the US/UK {and Israel actually} stole Iran's oil for years and were simply shocked when the Iranians took exception to the theft of their wealth and the whole secret police terror regime thing.
And it was the Israelis, and Turks buying oil from "ISIS".
Naturally, Israel will also never give up the Golan, probably find/create a pretext to take more, and will find/create a pretext to attack Lebanon again.
It will likely simply steal any gas it can contract with a 3rd party to extract in the eastern Med. Stealing from Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine will go nowhere in the UNSC - Uncle Sugar, essentially the bitch of the Jewish/Zionist lobby and think tanks, will block any efforts to hold Israel to the same standards the Us pretends to adhere to.
Good assessment B. To add to your observations...
Like I've said many times here before, any American special ops and infantry that want to step into the "world of shit" they created with Russians and Iranians on the ground by all means "go for it"...
When the body bags start coming home unannounced of course -lets see where the American resolve is to stomach some more after 20 years of it, unlike Ukraine where they "didn't come home" because there was no official invasion announcement and Kiev did the honors for us!...
Hope as many volunteer as possible because anyone that would sign up after what we've been doing in that "triangle" for the better part of 11 years should be terminated for good!
They are bad for the military and worse for the gene pool!
RIP Jacqueline Sutton
"your terrorist is not my terrorist."
Says Superterrorist state to Juniorterrorist state.
When you use the T word to designate as evil what you do yourself in all impunity since 60 years.
"Well the Constitution is JUST a piece of paper..."
Now who said Dat ?
I feel like it's been too long since someone appeared railing against 'paid Kremlin trolls' and inviting people to savor Mr. Putin's baby batter.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/western-media-silent-as-iraq-inflic...
So as a paid kremlin troll who routinely stuff's Vlad's mighty meat hammer yards deep into his own battle scarred colon, I am left to wonder what the average European is *now* thinking of the Anglo-Zionist Empire and its efforts to spread sunshine, puppy dogs, and free ice-cream to the backwards muslim hordes of middle earth via cluster bomb and d.u. shells.
Sure Putin is the newest new Hitler, he's bent on recreating the USSR starting with the sweetest plum of them all - Latvia, and he has outlawed female punk bands, CIA front orgs and dancing....
but maybe, just maybe, he's actually been *reacting* to years of US/NATO mission creep {i.e. expansion and aggression} from Kosovo to Libya to Ukraine to Syria and maybe, just maybe, it would be better for the world if the US, largely hijacked by Zionists, banksters, and all manner of war profiteer - was not "free" to do what its masters want it to do.
The Anglo-Zionist deep state is master blaster
http://tinyurl.com/qeuje8q
and he has fucked up bartertown too badly, too often, to be left alone in charge.
According to Netanyahu, Hitler wasn't such a bad guy. He didn't want to exterminate all the Jews. It was the Grand Mufti that gave him the idea. So calling someone Hitler doesn't mean much. If you want to go the whole ten yards you have to call someone the New Mufti (TM - pending B Netanyahu)
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/10/22/bibi-butchers-history/
http://972mag.com/israeli-memes-mock-netanyahus-hitler-revisionism/113028/
ah yes, latvia, the sweetest, footloose plum
According to several sources Latvian women outnumber men 3 to 1 and by 2050 there will be no more men, forcing many of their women to become lesbians.
another reason may be related to Latvia's omission here:
http://alphadesigner.com/blog/europe-according-penis-size/
"...
I feel like it's been too long since someone appeared railing against 'paid Kremlin trolls' and inviting people to savor Mr. Putin's baby batter.
..."
define 'too long'? you've been on ZH for 2 weeks
Turkey needs to wake up and see it can keep being a puppet of a dysfunctional, unreliable and deceitful US, or it can play a grown up ole with Russia, China, Syria, Iran and Iraq to actually shape a peaceful outcome in its vicinity. or it can be ignored and have decisions made for its surrounding area which it isn't going to like... .
When does the Apocalypse Now, or even the Air America treatment of these wars come from Hollywood? It's going to take a really big movie to wake up even a fraction of the population to what were doing here. Or there, for that matter. Or even there....
Turkey = ISIS.
Both employ barbarity in their dealings with opponents.
Maybe if O'Bomber was smart. He would of included about 50 Stinger missiles in that 50 ton weapons drop for the Kurds.
Maybe if O'Bomber was smart. He would of included about 50 Stinger missiles in that 50 ton weapons drop for the Kurds.
Obama, being the political hologram and fraud he is - didn't really have a "strategy."
Its clear he didn't want ISIS eliminated, only just strong enough so that the Saudis could use them and other groups to depose Assad. Of course, his administration had to issue the anti-ISIS talking points. Being the race-baiter and leftist wanker he is, Obama also couldn't speak too harshly against ISIS (and hence Islam) while he continues his other multi-faceted project of poking the eye of traditional America in yet another scheme with mass Muslim immigration.
So its all a bundle of contraditions and spin, and eventually, Putin called his bluff.
The Tylers forgot to mention the Israeli / Kurdish alliance in northern Iraq to complete this total clusterfuck. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGrG8wy04ek
When the greatest enemy of the US resides in the White house, it all comes as no great surprise.
Obama is either an idiot and a clown, as many would say, or an intelligent man who knows what he is doing. I tend to think it is the latter.
I'd like US .mil to paradrop 50 tons of weapons and ammo to me in SC. Can you imagine the circumstances under which our own .gov would arm us?!? Our .gov views us as the enemy.
Any US citizen that values the Constitution as black letter law, and adheres to, or even acknowledges a traditional, typically fiscally conservative value system and culture is THE enemy of Washington DC.
All we need now is a USA-Turkey fighter jet dogfight oh, say, over Syria.
Who has the U.S., the Saud and Iraehell not armed and supported?
I'm so confused. Why is the USSA involved in Syria in the first place? Oh yeah, must be something to do with oil/gas deal or selling weapons. Here's a noval idea how about get the fuck out and let countries solve their own internal issues.
Noooo...
It's beacause of the "HUMANITARIAN CRISIS" remember?
Yeah, we're gonna help them by bombing the shit out of them
Remember: the things you own, end up owning you.
One day they'll understand.
Sharkbit,
Ask The Delicate Genius about the Yinon Plan.
This article is additional evidence that no Muslim dominated or governed nation can do anything trustworth, especially when it comes to military reliance relative to other Islamic groups. Taqiyya runs deep. Problem #2: We have to be deceitful to even attempt to accomplish anything. Evokes memories of Mad Mag's "Spy vs. Spy."
In Spy vs. Spy, one spy is black and the other is white.
All these fucking spys are grey.
This would be comedic if it weren't so tragic.
>why it seems like this entire debacle is simply too bad to be true.
This is just how things go in the Obamanation.
Erdogan and his mini-me deserve to be Khazouked.
"How does it go again? The enemy of my friend is my enemy no the friend of my friend is my enemy no no.. the enemy of my enemy is my enemy no no friend and so the friend of my friend...”
Keep your enemies close,,, and your friends closer.
The Pentagon is like the dope who tells the bank "How can I be out of money? I still have plenty of checks left."
The Pentagon is too stupid to be stupid.
WE WEREN'T INVITED. (Vlad was.) Leave now.
Let allah allah akbar all in free sort these monkeys out.
" The Pentagon is like the dope who tells the bank "How can I be out of money? I still have plenty of checks left.""
You've got the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury Dept pretty well figured out.
Once again proving that being Obama's ally is the second worse thing to being Russia's enemy. The clown that destroyed the MidEast, Russian relations, and Chinese relations, is now quicky destroying NATO completely. Why is this idiot still in office? He is not done screwing up yet. Get rid of him.
obama destroyed the middle east ?
wow, he gets around
"Full Metal Retard, US Launches"
should be
Full Mental Retard, US Launches...
Fixed it!
What they need is a USSA free zone... lol
Sorry to repeat myself, but the problems of continuing
the US Empire are NOT due to faults of Obama. It is misguided to believe
that a "smarter" or "stronger" president would not have these problems.
Obama and the next president willl admit nothing, and will change nothing.
The US policy of destruction will continue to result in more self-made disasters. Pushing everyone else down in order to stay on top is the full-spectrum dominance policy, and it will not end well.
Obama and his advisors will now decide on the “smartest” actions and public spin in order to harm others in the expectation of gaining dominance. More destruction for Syria, or focus somewhere else?
As with any group of terrorists, the strategy does not entail improving anything. The strategy is to destroy and create chaos to make rivals weaken and collapse.
still no word from nutandyahoo about this turn of events except for a fake story about how isis is going to target israel, killing more palestinians under cover of the syria story and declaring the palestinians were the brains behind hitler. he must be too busy changing his diapers every hour since he is so full of shit to shit in his pants.
From https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/13/neocon-chaos-promotion-in-the-mide...
I tossed in that last paragraph as a key point to keep in mind as to who the GOP is likely going to end up selecting. Unless, of courcse, one DOESN'T believe that the neocons are controlling everything.
The New York Times is a Jewish-and-Zionist paper. Period. And they have every right to be, by the way, but their coverage re Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine has gone beyond gentle propaganda into the realm of the fucking absurd.
Meet the New York Times’ New Israel-Palestine News Chief
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/21/meet-the-new-york-times-new-israe...
Candid video reveals NYT bureau chief Jodi Rudoren’s Zionist bubble
https://electronicintifada.net/content/candid-video-reveals-nyt-bureau-c...
The liberal Zionist lament: Joe Klein and Jodi Rudoren try to explain away Israeli racism
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/zionist-rudoren-explain
Jodi Rudoren, New York Times Jerusalem Bureau Chief, Defends Coverage Of Beaten U.S. Teen
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/07/jodi-rudoren-new-york-times-_n_...
Others have previously noted the study re how the Times covers ceasefire violations - basically, they don't cover it when Israel does it, but always cover the 'response' to the Israeli violence, then frame the *response to the response* as Israel "responding" to an attack. Cheap, but effective trick.
http://blog.thejerusalemfund.org/2012/12/israeli-ceasefire-violations-in...
That the paper which produced Judith Miller and helped the mostly Jewish Zionist neocons get their long dreamed of war is still taken seriously as it engages in naked, abject propaganda re Putin/Russia and Palestine is likely a feature of the fact they are, as Jews, so largely immune from criticism.
The thing is their deliberate bias has an affect on people laboring under the misconception that they can be well-informed by reading the NYT and watching CNN or Fox.
I'm not suggesting the Russian press is better. The British press remains marginally better, but it does seem clear that the groupthink, if not outright conspiratorial control, of the major corporate media has only gotten worse after the lies of Iraq.
Shame on us for letting the same chickenhawk assholes, the Cheneys and Kristols, the Perles and Boltons, maintain myriad fora for spreading their lies.
You are truly a sad little man. The NY Times editorial board is one of the most Anti-Israeli media outlets in the freakin world.
Stop trying to blame all the world ills on Jews. You lose all credibility outside of the David Duke circles like Storm Front
Obamamerica, I upvoted you. I could only do it once. I would have done it again and again and again ... if I could. Let's not worry about the vox populi on this site though. They are wrong about most things, and Israel is first among them.
you upvoted him because you are as obtuse and unthinking as he is.
Leaving aside whether most people are wrong for not subscribing to your own view of the state of Israel - my post was about bias at the Times, and if you could be bothered to actually read something before you criticize it, you'd see that this is pretty well established.
The post wasnt about 'Israel,' asshole - it was about the Times coverage being biased.
and it is.
"Take, for instance, an article published in America’s “paper of record,” the New York Times, just hours after the incident with the headline Stabbings, and Deadly Responses, Add to Israel’s Security Challenge. In deconstructing the headline alone, it is clear where the bias and deception lies; the Times imbues the very headline of the article with a presumption of guilt on the part of the Palestinians. According to the syntactic logic of the headline’s construction, it is the “stabbings” (presented first) which are the root of the problem and, therefore, the “deadly responses” are just that, responses. The effect is to justify the murder of Palestinians by portraying them as simply responses to an external factor: violence against Israelis.
But of course anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of the issues knows that the stabbings are themselves responses to the attacks by Israeli settlers and security forces on Palestinians, as well as the predictable outgrowth of seemingly endless brutality and occupation, poverty and despair. The history of colonialism is replete with such examples.
And yet Israelis, and the Israeli state itself, are presented as the victims. The headline frames the issue as being one of a “security challenge” for Israel, rather than, say, a colonialism problem, or a vicious occupation. So, taken in total then, the headline and accompanying article have the cumulative effect of making the victims into perpetrators, and perpetrators into victims, thereby inverting the oppressor/oppressed relationship. This inversion is absolutely necessary in order to whitewash Israel’s crimes, and absolve the state and its fanatical, fascist far right of guilt."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/15/israel-the-media-and-the-anatomy-...
Leading with a a characterization like "sad little man" is an ad-hominem.
Ad-hominem logical fallacy - see below link:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
Basically, it is casting doubts on ones character in order to discredit an argument. In other words, rather than attacking the logical dictates of the argument, the one casting ad-hominems is engaging in a smoke screen. They are being disengenous, because they cannot, or will not engage in logical argument.
Why not engage on the facts? Perhaps their facts about the NY times cannot stand? It is a fact that the New York times editorial board has largely been Jewish over the years. It is a fact that New York Times has been Jewish owned or controlled for a long time.
In defense of New York times, lately, their reporting has been surprising, sometimes even being fair handed. But, taken as a whole, over time, their reporting has been biased or outright propaganda, and a very sound case can be made that they are a Jewish mouthpiece.
If it is a Jewish mouthpiece, then Zionist linkage can be found. The Jewish diaspora is not always in 100% concert, but they do tend to act as an in-group.
Anybody who makes ad-hominems in pursuit of disgusing the truth of things, are an enemy to moral and consenual humanity.
If Jews are implicated in many nefarious deeds, and they are implicated, then the truth of things matters. A problem cannot be dealt with unless it is diagnosed first.
Again, in fairness, it is not always Jews doing nefarious things, all of humanity is capable of bad behavior. However, if one owns money power via private credit systems, and uses their money power in concert with messianic Cabala , and in concert with in-group reinforced behaviors, then that group (Jewish Cabala) must come under scrutiny.
NYT is very similar to communist newspaper my father used to read in Yugoslavia when I was a kid in 70s
are there people who still believe this? the nyt was a great paper when there were many competing papers with competing ideas even in agreement. today, the nyt has a much smaller but still powerful sphere of influence. that sphere includes a group of people whose support for israel is essential to its political survival. those people have always been the times' core readership. the rag has always pandered to it. they are even more shrill about it today than they were in the 70s. asserting anything else is simply not true.
please try again. your opinion is greatly valued.
Your first sentence is inane ad hominem
Your second sentence is batshit crazy - and the links I provided went to bias on the part of the main staff reporter covering Israel/Palestine, and *empirical* studies of bias - not the editorial board
Your third sentence is the sort of hyperventilating rejoinder designed to be a red herring. Of course my post above and in the time have been here have never ever come close to doing as you allege - so why would you write it?
"Israel, the Media and the Anatomy of a Sick Society"
Take, for instance, an article published in America’s “paper of record,” the New York Times, just hours after the incident with the headline Stabbings, and Deadly Responses, Add to Israel’s Security Challenge. In deconstructing the headline alone, it is clear where the bias and deception lies; the Times imbues the very headline of the article with a presumption of guilt on the part of the Palestinians. According to the syntactic logic of the headline’s construction, it is the “stabbings” (presented first) which are the root of the problem and, therefore, the “deadly responses” are just that, responses. The effect is to justify the murder of Palestinians by portraying them as simply responses to an external factor: violence against Israelis.
But of course anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of the issues knows that the stabbings are themselves responses to the attacks by Israeli settlers and security forces on Palestinians, as well as the predictable outgrowth of seemingly endless brutality and occupation, poverty and despair. The history of colonialism is replete with such examples.
And yet Israelis, and the Israeli state itself, are presented as the victims. The headline frames the issue as being one of a “security challenge” for Israel, rather than, say, a colonialism problem, or a vicious occupation. So, taken in total then, the headline and accompanying article have the cumulative effect of making the victims into perpetrators, and perpetrators into victims, thereby inverting the oppressor/oppressed relationship. This inversion is absolutely necessary in order to whitewash Israel’s crimes, and absolve the state and its fanatical, fascist far right of guilt."
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/15/israel-the-media-and-the-anatomy-...
you are dishonest, obtuse, and incapable of responding to the substance, as much as Danepol seems to be.
so instead you call names, and whine about "blaming the Jews" in order to basically avoid addressing the points made.
The only thing I'd walk back some is it reads like I'm blaming Iraq solely on neocons - who were mostly Zio Jews.
They were a necessary but probably not sufficient cause. There were other causes, from securing oil to propping up the dollar to old fashioned war profiteering [Cheney] but Jewish Zionists were all over the media cheering it on.
As for the neocons being Zionist Jews - I am not aiming to offend or to shock, I'm aiming to be able to say 2+2 =4.
"The neoconservative movement, which is generally perceived as a radical (rather than “conservative”) Republican right, is, in reality, an intellectual movement born in the late 1960s in the pages of the monthly magazine Commentary, a media arm of the American Jewish Committee, which had replaced the Contemporary Jewish Record in 1945. The Forward, the oldest American Jewish weekly, wrote in a January 6th, 2006 article signed Gal Beckerman: “If there is an intellectual movement in America to whose invention Jews can lay sole claim, neoconservatism is it. It’s a thought one imagines most American Jews, overwhelmingly liberal, will find horrifying. And yet it is a fact that as a political philosophy, neoconservatism was born among the children of Jewish immigrants and is now largely the intellectual domain of those immigrants’ grandchildren”. The neoconservative apologist Murray Friedman explains that Jewish dominance within his movement by the inherent benevolence of Judaism, “the idea that Jews have been put on earth to make it a better, perhaps even a holy, place” (The Neoconservative Revolution: Jewish Intellectuals and the Shaping of Public Policy, 2006)."
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
You know who else noted this thing you aren't supposed to note because, I suppose in part, too many people are too dumb to grasp that saying "Most A are B" DOES NOT IMPLY "Most B are A"..?
"White Man's Burden
The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it's possible. But another journalist, Thomas Friedman (not part of the group), is skeptical "
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/white-man-s-burden-1.14110
And Carl Bernstein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyBL3-ZOsM
Scarborough played thought police there.
Most Jews are not neocons, but most neocons [NOT ALL MILITARISTS] are Jews.
Neoconservatism is proxy Zionism, nothing more.
As Mark Twain observed 'If you do not read newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read newspapers you're misinformed'.
Congress actually do something? Are you kidding? The ONLY thing members of Congress do cash AIPAC checks and spend the money to get reelected. THAT's IT, THAT's ALL....
I think you mean CAIR checks.
This is what happens when you use the CIA to recruit, arm, train, and then deploy ISIS onto the world.
Obama has really fucked up the entire world in less than 7 years. Unbelievable. Now that the Mooslim invastion of Europe is in full swing, he can bring about the retribution he dreamed about for his whole life. Obama is the great deceiver, and he will bring down the USA and Western Europe come hell or high water.
The one who should have his head cut off is Erdogan. Fucking traitor to all turks...
But Krugman did approve it.
Russia’s “Bombing” of Syrian Hospitals: The Incredible Expanding Lie
TND Guest Contributor: Tony Cartalucci
When reports of Russian military aviation striking what AFP called a “field hospital” came to light, they were met by immediate skepticism, even by critics of Russia. AFP’s article, “13 dead as Russia strike hits Syria field hospital: monitor,” reported that:
At least 13 people including medical staff were killed when Russian warplanes struck a field hospital in northwestern Syria, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Wednesday.
Of course the so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is actually a single individual named Rami Abdel Rahman, who is admittedly sympathetic to those seeking the division and destruction of Syria. Rami Abdel Rahman is also based in the UK, so is not actually “observing” anything in Syria. He himself has been observed coordinating his activities with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London.
Full story, click below:
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=527216
saudi arabia just accidently bombed anotrher doctors without borders hospital in yemen. the empire speaks. dwb are the enemy.
See "Seriously Sorry Syria" this Holiday season A fun and raucous side-splitting comedy starring Gomer Pyle as the Commander In Chief !!
MIC has already been paid for the 50 tons of ammo. Time to send more.