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In Latest Escalation, Australia May Join US, Send Warships To China Islands

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Earlier this week, the USS Lassen managed to sail by China’s man-made islands in the Spratlys without getting shot at or surrounded. 

The fact that China did not move to challenge the US-flagged guided-missile destroyer was a relief for those who aren’t keen on living through World War III and as hyperbolic as that might sound, it was just this month that Beijing threatened to “stand up and use force” in the event Washington went through with the “freedom of navigation” exercise. 

Of course as we outlined previously, the PLA will get plenty of other opportunities, as most security “experts” believe that in order to be “effective” (whatever that means in this context), the US will need to keep up the patrols suggesting the world could be in for a prolonged period of heightened tensions that threaten to spiral out of control on any given “pass-by.” 

For anyone unfamiliar, all of this comes courtesy of Beijing’s land reclamation efforts in the South China Sea which have by now led to the creation of more than 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory on which China has constructed runways, cement factories, and all manner of other facilities. This has led Washington’s regional allies to cry foul and now, Big Brother is essentially just sailing around the islands to see if China will shoot. 

As silly as that sounds, it’s become one of the more important geopolitical stories of the year and now, as WSJ reports, it looks like Australia might get involved as well. Here’s more: 

Australian defense planners are looking at the possibility of a naval sail-through close to China’s artificial islands in the South China Sea, in case the government decides to follow its close ally the U.S. in testing Beijing’s territorial claims.

 

“Australia has been looking at options,” said one official in Australia’s military familiar with operational planning.

Another defense official, who has been involved in a military blueprint about the South China Sea for Australia’s

 

Defense Minister Marise Payne, confirmed that plans for possible naval operations or flights by maritime patrol aircraft had been prepared, though said there is no immediate intent to put them into play. “At this stage, it’s only been looking at what we could do,” the second official said. The military had been looking at options including a sail-through for months, the person said, as tensions in the South China Sea intensified.

 

Australia has two naval frigates in the South China Sea region—the HMAS Arunta and HMAS Stuart—which have been scheduled to carry out exercises alongside Chinese warships over the next week, as a naval confidence-building exercise.

(HMAS Arunta)

(HMAS Stuart)

More from The Journal:

Peter Jennings, the executive director of the government-backed security think tank the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said he expected most U.S. regional allies would follow with their own exercises to assert freedom of navigation, although few would telegraph movements in advance for operational security reasons.

 

“I think it is now critical we follow this up so that we don’t just leave it to the United States on what is an issue worrying countries from the Philippines to Vietnam,” said Mr. Jennings, a former Australian intelligence analyst.

So there are two main takeaways here. First, as WSJ also points out, China is Australia's largest trade partner and as we've seen recently with Russia and Turkey, geopolitical tensions and the egos and irrationality that often accompany them have a way of derailing trade at significant costs to all involved. 

Second, this, like Syria, is now another dispute into which multiple world powers are being drawn and with each new participant, the chances of some manner of "mistake" increase exponentially. 

We close with some characteristically bombastic rhetoric out of Beijing:

"Australia and the U.S. should not light a fire and add fuel to the flames."

 

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Wed, 10/28/2015 - 14:53 | 6722507 LetThemEatRand
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Can't they just send in Crocodile Dundee?  He's got nothing else going on.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 14:55 | 6722516 nuubee
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China's been called. Time for them to show their cards. I doubt they really want to provoke more than one country, particularly two of their largest trading partners, over some stupid "property rights" about "flag planting" on "manufactured coral landing strips."

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 14:57 | 6722534 LetThemEatRand
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It's all theater.  Most of the West's manufacturing base is now in China, and the oligarchs have no interest in having their plants nationalized by the Chinese in the event of a conflict.  We have more chance of going to war with Canada.  

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:11 | 6722615 Looney
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False Fag?

Looney

Edit: Oops! Typo… False Flag?  ;-)

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:55 | 6722869 ZerOhead
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Nope... real fag but  FALSE ENGINEERED CONFLICTS

Welcome to free MSM TEOTWAWKI Kabuki Theater for the Muttonheads...

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:05 | 6722944 Squid-puppets a...
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yes, but the concern is that there are enough people in senior political and millitary leadership who are fooled by the theatre just as much as the average sheeple, and who react accordingly

you think low level shmucks like Australias defense minister gets included on TPTB masterplan?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:40 | 6723806 Motasaurus
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I am embarrassed by all levels of our government. Of course, as a student of history, I should not be surprised. When it comes to pushing the Zionist agenda, Australia is second to none. Without us, there wouldn't be either an Israel or a United Nations, so influential were Australians in getting both proxy states founded. 

But all the same. It's embarrassing being an Australian who doesn't toe the nanny-state line. 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 19:36 | 6723984 strannick
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US: Hey Australia, we want to create a coalition to send a flottila to intimidate  China, so it doesnt look like were going it alone.

Austalia: Chinas our biggest trading partner. Plz dont make us do this.

US: Shut the fuck up and do as youre told.

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 05:10 | 6725167 Parrotile
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Unfortunately, you are probably absolutely correct.

Irrespective of our "leaders", that is exactly how "Aussie Foreign Policy" has run for at least the past decade.

US says "Jump", the "Party du Jour" says "how high, Great One!"

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 17:07 | 6727776 lesamourai
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Yep.  When a country (Australia) is covered in the military bases of another country (US) there can be no independent foreign policy.

On top of all the SIGINT, shared airforce, and other bases, marine bases are now popping up.  As a Sydney professor in the article below states "This is all about the rise of China".

http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-marine-base-for-darwin-20111110-1n9lk....

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 09:21 | 6725676 Amicus Curiae
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make that Two of us;-(

the new shiela has what? quals for mil leader govy job?

bugger all I have seen.

Turdball is a goldbags sux man and bloody mcquarie bank as well

so we know what sort of bastard he is..as well as the knife in the back stunt with the bitch who will prob do him over given a chance

have to admit TA was just as fn amenable..see syria..

someone with a bit of front spoke on abc this arvo late and DID mention chinas got the right to BE worried re murrika restriciting THEIR access to sea routes for trade n oil etc

hed be right!

 

reckon all the ships doing the cruise bys need to foul props in some convenient "ghost nets"

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:56 | 6723291 imbtween
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Not so much false flag as inadvertent Boating While Intoxicated:

http://jezebel.com/aussie-accent-developed-through-years-heavy-drinking-...

 

 

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 09:25 | 6725703 Amicus Curiae
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reckon they got some kiwi confusion there re vowels

we dont stand anyway..if theres anything handy to lean on ;-)

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:02 | 6723640 omniversling
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2 weeks ago AusGov said no, the Brennan comes for a visit, then AusGov say yes...ruvv u rong time...

"Australia and the US last week agreed at the annual Australia-US Ministerial Consultations to “further enhance the interoperability of their military forces and their ­intelligence cooperation”.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/cia-head-john-brennan-to-meet-...

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 19:44 | 6724046 Motasaurus
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We just had to be reminded whose vassal state we are right now.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 22:24 | 6724601 Squid-puppets a...
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if you're the vassal of a megalomaniacal nutter, i think the spelling changes to Psychophant

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:11 | 6722623 Boris Alatovkrap
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US is making of war with Canada? This because Justin Trudeau is progressive socialist dick head?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:16 | 6722656 Boris Alatovkrap
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Uh, oh. Boris is receive down arrow from lover of Justin Trudeau.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:28 | 6722748 LetThemEatRand
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Trudeau is just another example that most people, including in supposedly free countries, love royalty.  It makes me feel slightly less bad being an American and watching our political shit show, where two political dynasties and a billionaire duke it out for King.  

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:37 | 6722786 PeakOil
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Was more a case of "heave Steve" by any and all means possible.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:08 | 6722969 Sages wife
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Likely the hardest part of throwing out harper was extracting his tongue from obamas fartbox.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:34 | 6723155 farflungstar
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And peeling Netanyahu's balls off his chin

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 19:47 | 6724061 Motasaurus
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I thought that was a permanant fixture.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:47 | 6722840 Payne
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I have decided the Vote for Bernie Sanders,  Going full Retard in the only option in the US vs not voting at all.

So lets all campaign for Bernie Sanders.  Every libertarian, vote for Bernie.  I am not being sarcastic.

Vote for Bernie in order to burn down the house asap.

 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:25 | 6723084 Boris Alatovkrap
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Only question for Sanders is crispy or original, whatever that is mean... In Moscow KFC, Boris is not so sure is eat chicken because is find deep fry rat tail in bucket.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:10 | 6722612 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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I can no longer blame the FED, that's right you heard me. Now the blame has been moved to the traders and speculators because it's so obvious that the FED is lying and has been for some time - that you have to be complict in the lies to keep this carade going.  If you are trading by thier words you are helping prop up an illegal system and helping liars lie.  I no longer blame the FED. Stocks are now back up to +100 while pm's are crushed. 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:18 | 6722672 Raymond_K._Hessel
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+1000

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:24 | 6722711 FreeShitter
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Can't take much more.....right

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:12 | 6723002 Hitlery_4_Dictator
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pretty much, yea

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:48 | 6723842 9D382a4-114dk19
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China's holding a pair of 2s, which is why the threatened military response never came and isn't coming.

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 00:48 | 6724912 HolyfieldsOtherEar
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China doesn't even have the juevos to challenge Japan on the Senkaku Islands, which it also wants to steal. No way they're going to take pot-shots at Uncle Sam.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:52 | 6722559 formadesika3
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Mein Gott im Himmel!!!

This is like an episode from American Horror Story Freak Show. Can't the gay strongman Del (USA) recognize that the transgender strongwoman Amazon Eve (China) is mightier than he? Even with his psycho sidekick Dandy (Australia), he can't win.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:04 | 6722581 Urban Redneck
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Did Tony Abbott rise from the political grave and shirtfront Lloyd Blankfein's Fluffer-Down-Under?  I thought King Obozo issued an edict about "Don't do stupid stuff..." to his vassals.  These psychopaths must really want to start something, because Australian government can't be just a giant conspiracy to reduce American's relative shame in their own government.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:09 | 6722601 TemporarySecurity
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The man who crocodile Dundee was based upon was shot and killed by police when he failed to give up his guns.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:46 | 6722833 rwe2late
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 oh

I had heard that he was shot by NYC cops for refusing to give up his illegal knife.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:18 | 6723039 BKbroiler
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Got curious and looked him up, what a miserable life.  He almost died after getting lost in the bush, then gets stiffed on a movie about himself, then gets his cattle confiscated, loses his house, gets divorced, and dies a few years later of a shotgun wound in a an amphetamine fueled shootout with the cops.  Hell that could have been a better movie.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:17 | 6723698 post turtle saver
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"Earlier this week, the USS Lassen managed to sail by China’s man-made islands in the Spratlys without getting shot at or surrounded."

you make this sound like some grand accomplishment, neglecting that freedom of nav operations by the US Navy have been steaming through that area routinely since, oh, 2012...

the Chinese didn't do shit because they don't have a fucking leg to stand on to back their bullshit claims... gee color me surprised...

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:25 | 6723741 Max Steel
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Freedom of navigation is a sheeple koolaid diatribe. US wants to control all shipping routes. Go read some history turd how to become a superpower? There are 7-8 points and controlling sea lanes is one of them. Just because your fleet is sailing without challengws does not mean others cant annihiliate it. 1200 carrier killer missiles at the cost of one aircraft carrier. Asyymetric Warfare ignorant. Step up your game. Mad bro?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:52 | 6723872 9D382a4-114dk19
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You got mad because he used logic on you, huh? :-)

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 14:54 | 6722510 Latina Lover
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Perhaps China should start buying commodities from countries other than Australia.  I wonder what is Mandarin for: " blowbacks a bitch"?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 14:55 | 6722528 Winston Churchill
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Phuk u ?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 14:58 | 6722541 BrainOpener
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????

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 19:01 | 6723896 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Blowback Mountain

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 09:32 | 6725726 Amicus Curiae
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could well happen, we fucked ourselves over joining santions on Russia.

another insane follow the  yanks stunt

we are as good at that now...as we used to be(still are) tugging the forelock to the bloody pommys

gives me the total and utter irrits!

 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 14:55 | 6722518 RawPawg
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regardless of how many buddies you brang with ya...

 

it still won't end well

 

game on

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:56 | 6722876 SWRichmond
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https://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment/19669a3b-6795-406c-8924-106d7a5adb93...

On 18 February 1991, for example, the billion-dollar Aegis cruiser USS Princeton (CG 59) suffered a “mission kill” from an Iraqi-laid Italian Manta multiple-influence bottom mine costing about $25,000.

...UWIEDs that can be fashioned from fifty-five-gallon drums, other containers, and even discarded refrigerators.

To be immediately followed by "the terrorists did it, not us!"

Let's not play at war, shall we?

 

 

 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:55 | 6723877 9D382a4-114dk19
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Unfortunately, all their military gear says "Made in China" on it. :-)

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 19:58 | 6724102 Lurk Skywatcher
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Yes. All of Americas (and Australias) tecnological military equipment relys on Chinese made parts. 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 14:55 | 6722519 maneco
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Australia, that great military poodle!!!!

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:19 | 6722684 PhilofOz
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Even more so with Goldman Sachs own man at the helm now!

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 14:58 | 6722544 Raymond_K._Hessel
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Australia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy#End_of_the_White_Au...

It will be "New South China" in 50 years.

Some immigration is generally a good thing - new blood, new ideas, people motivated to work.

But demographic replacement?

That's as healthy as teen suicide.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:21 | 6722693 PhilofOz
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I give it 30 years absolute tops.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:01 | 6722562 onewayticket2
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I smell a Beer Summit

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:01 | 6722563 RopeADope
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Chinese 'virtual islands' are just as clownish of a foreign policy as the US Middle East strategy.

China builds on reefs while at the same time doing its best to increase sea levels, thereby causing said "islands" to have neither an EEZ or 12 mile sovereign zone.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:28 | 6722735 booboo
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so displacing sand from the sea floor into a pile makes the sea rise? Interesting concept.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:57 | 6723883 PhilofOz
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Love it! I'm still bursting out into fits of laughter minutes after reading booboo's comment.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:03 | 6722569 American Psycho
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Australia... "go now!"

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:03 | 6722574 jtg
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Utter lunacy.

Australia an idiot wanting to join the US in starting another war.

We should put all these 'leaders' in the West in a cell and throw away the key.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:03 | 6722575 Jason T
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The ships should be sure to play "we didn't start the fire" over their loud speakers when the get to their shores : )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m50p-XScreM

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:04 | 6722579 yogibear
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Time for China to switch from the west to Russia for all commodities.

Russia is rich with commodities,

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:06 | 6722592 Sudden Debt
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Isn't China Australia's biggest customer???

 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:09 | 6722607 highly debtful
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It was. Australia should follow the Fed's example and print some new customers.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:11 | 6722605 cowdiddly
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I didn't even know they grew Oatmeal in Australia

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:09 | 6722608 Mr.BlingBling
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Good. The Vietnamese and Philipenos should join the convoy since they're the ones directly impacted by this Chinese resource grab.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:18 | 6722652 Duc888
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"Good. The Vietnamese and Philipenos should join the convoy since they're the ones directly impacted by this Chinese resource grab."

 

The Filipino's at the end of the day couldn't give a shit.  It's a smoke show for them.  They don't have the money to develop the resources in and around those atolls. They have about 6800 islands that are largely undeveloped there... gold mines too.

 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:10 | 6722614 joego1
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I'm flying my drone over the islands.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:11 | 6722624 CHoward
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“Australia has been looking at options,”

 

You do realize, I hope, that not joining in the insanity is also an option.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:13 | 6722625 pachanguero
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Send that dude from OZ, ...The quirky Australian naturalist

Steve Irwin.  He'll fix for ya mate!

 

oh...wait....

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:21 | 6722635 Duc888
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If you're gonna go......go big.

My money is on the anti-ship missiles.....phalanx got nuthin on the new generation.

By the time the new US navy LASER systems lock on.... it's all over.  Do the math, in the 4+ seconds it takes to disable an incoming missile with LASER...well, at 4000+ mph, that missile is travellin'!

 

Break out your rubber duckies and floaties...

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:22 | 6722702 MadVladtheconquerer
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Your money is probably on the short side of the market too.  How's that working out for you?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:24 | 6722714 Duc888
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MadVlad: "Your money is probably on the short side of the market too.  How's that working out for you?"

 

Ahhhh, "the market" (laughing)

 

Please expound on this.  I have not seen a market in years.

 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:24 | 6723078 Max Steel
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Your name probably suggest you're an armchair general basement troll who thinks US navy defense can fend barrage of ashm's.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:16 | 6722659 MFL8240
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Absoluetly insane, we have no vital interest there. 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:29 | 6722749 Albertarocks
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When was the last time Australia's largest trading partner threatened her?  As far as I know... NEVER.  So why in hell follow the bankers' toys into another needless altercation?  Thinking leaders might do what Canada's new PM elect did the morning after he won the recent election.  He phoned Mr. Obama and told him "We're pulling our jets out.  We're not bombing any more in the Middle East."  Really, it has become painfully obvious to the entire world that the bankers who own and run the US military have gone totally berserk.  Putin has pulled back the veil exposing the entire satanic scam.  Australia... it's time to stand up like a big boy and think for yourself.

 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:20 | 6722687 rita
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Autralia is another colony. It better remember it does alot of bussiness with China.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:24 | 6722705 coltek
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Australia...Just another vassal dependant of the banksters.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:25 | 6722724 Squid Viscous
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Aussies maybe even more Zio brainwashed than US, if possible...

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 04:31 | 6725131 Lurk Skywatcher
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No, just stupid.

They have the largest muslim nation a stones throw away and yet poke that hornets nest at every opportunity.

Brainwashing requires a brain.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:24 | 6722715 DrHydralisk
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The United States Of Australia.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:28 | 6722738 Blankone
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That did not take long.  This is what you get China for making a lot of loud talk and then not backing it up.

After Australia maybe Japan, Vietnam might want to slap your face as well.

Soon they will be parked right next to the new islands.

Should have kept away from making big empty threats in the first place while preventing others from exploiting the natural resources or they should have acted in some forceful way.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:24 | 6723077 Socratic Dog
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Yeah.  It's a bit like lining up for sloppy seconds after the front man does the hard work and gets her legs open.

Maybe you should have kept your mouth (and legs) shut China, we got a bad case of yellow fever here.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:28 | 6722740 Omega_Man
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now that they have a zio as PM... fool Aussies... China needs to stop all imports from that nation of criminals. 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:28 | 6722741 Parrotile
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Australia ia DEPENDENT on doing business with China. We "dig it out of the ground", they "do useful things with it".

Stir up problems with our biggest customer? "No Problem Mate - the US has got our back", until the US decides we're expendable (as has happened so many times in the very recent past to others), then what??

Dumb population, dumb Politicians (our current PM is ex Goldman Sachs I note), and dumb "policies" - presumably written with "US Approval".

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:34 | 6722774 o r c k
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Headline in China-- Down Under Cast Asunder

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:34 | 6722776 Omega_Man
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stupid fukkking aussies... 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:29 | 6722756 crazybob369
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So it turns out that the Aussie leaders are as stupid as the rest of the Western world leaders. Who knew? Yes, by all means, go ahead a piss off your number one customer. After all, your economy is doing so well. The Aussie dollar is doing good too. 20% drop in the last year.

Well, don't worry about it. Go have another beer and slip another shrimp on the barby.

This shit is unbelievable.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:06 | 6722957 Seer
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Aussie dollar drop and exports STILL decline!  This is likely more an act of desperation to stir up nationalism as a means of preemptively putting in controls to manage its own citizens when the collapse happens. this rather than of some drumming up for any actual war (well, war against an outside opponent).

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 17:32 | 6723503 sherryw
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Our politicians aren't that smart. Didn't you see our previous treasurer, Joe Hockey, went to New York and had lengthy discussions with, was it I am sure he felt honoured to be there!

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 19:06 | 6723901 PhilofOz
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Joe Hockey?! Australia's next ambassador to the United States! He'll be raking in $450k a year as well as his parliamentary pension! As much as that stinks to the average Aussie, that is smart in my eyes.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:41 | 6723190 sherryw
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FYI, in Australia we put another prawn on the barbie!

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:35 | 6722778 Omega_Man
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Us will pull out all stops to get some kind of war going

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:07 | 6722965 Seer
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You mean they aren't currently engaged in any wars?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:36 | 6722783 JuliaS
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"Personally I reckon Israel should come to Australia, we got tons of room. The weather's the same, we got a right wing government and an oppressed indigenous people, I reckon they'll slide right fuckin' in. We can call it Israelia."

- Steve Hughes

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:37 | 6722789 Phillyguy
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China is Australia’s largest trading partner and thus, it is surprising the Australian navy would want to (further) piss off China, by joining the US in threatening maneuvers against Chinese islands in the South China Sea. The Australian economy is weak and one would think the last thing they need are more problems with China. Does the Australian government/military believe that a bankrupt US/EU/Japan are going to right their economic ship? Possible consequences from these actions could force China and Russia to target Australia with nuclear weapons.  Australia functions as a US vassal state and when their leaders get out of line, they are removed- see: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/23/gough-whitlam-1975-coup-ended-australian-independence. China has made it abundantly clear they will respond to US naval activities near their borders. Increasingly reckless and bellicose behavior by the US and Australian navies in the South China Sea could easily result in a direct conflict with China/Russia, begging the question- Is this what they want?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:58 | 6722898 Seer
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As I note below, China need only say that they have stockpiled sufficient quantities of coal and iron-ore.  This in turn would also give a big slap to US companies in China: shortages of key resources (no, China doesn't have a stockpile, that would only be their "reason" for cutting the Aussies up).

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:59 | 6723314 Dungeness
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Australia may be told to pass sanctions against China, ending all or most exports to them. Seriously.

Taking a deep hard punch in the gut, for the team of course.

Others are doing it. Germany, France, most of Europe, Saudi Arabia, North Dakota, other oil producing countries, etc.

The BRICS must be contained at all costs, else the Fed golden goose money printing machine will be lost.

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 09:42 | 6725777 Amicus Curiae
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for a peppercorn rent (literally) prior Aus govt handed us up as prime target material

two words

PINE GAP

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:44 | 6722822 Paracelsus
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The Aussies were "ordered" to  deploy.Very sad indeed.One of the reasons Christopher Boyce justified his

treason against the USA was his knowledge of the events behind the Coup against the Whitlam (Labor) Gov't.

Gough Whitlam had recognized North Vietnam,stopped conscription,and allowed the pilots strike to continue (this interrupted 

the transport of parts and staff to the Alice Springs,Pine Gap facility,a highly restricted area virtually beyond Australian

Gov't control).In short,Whitlam was pursuing an independent policy;he had gone off-reservation..

The Governor General,the late John Kerr,was very obviously CIA groomed for potential future utility.Kerr used the reserve

powers as the Queens Representative to sack Whitlam.Whitlam possibly could not have survived an election,but he had been

elected and should have been allowed to serve his full term.Australian politics can get quite dirty but being treated

like a banana republic was an interesting new low. Many Aussies are suspicious to this day of American motives.(For fun just Google "Battle of Brisbane".....)

The policy (habit?) of the CIA to manage the careers of aspiring politicians (bribery,blackmail) is vaguely reminiscent

of the methods Golman Sachs uses around the world in the Banking sector.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:27 | 6723101 Socratic Dog
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Considering the CIA was founded by Wall Street, as their own military arm, and continues in that role, it is perhaps not surprising that it reeks of GS tactics.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:51 | 6722835 Dr. Engali
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Sorry China. You have egg on your face after your last empty threat, now you just sound retarded. If I didn't know any better I'd swear Kim Jong Un was running the joint.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:57 | 6722894 Winston Churchill
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You don't spring your trap to catch a sacricial goat.

Who got cold feet doc? ,not sure it was the Chinese.

Sending the USS party ship, not really a real show of srength. seems the carrier admirals

arent quite so sure of themselves to me.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:03 | 6722930 Dr. Engali
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This is a theater for the masses anyway. Everyone needs a boogie man to distract the sheep and the elites are all in on the game.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:43 | 6723208 Archive_file
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Don't underestimate the Chinese or any other adversary. They could form a 5th column in the U.S.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:51 | 6722863 Seer
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WOW!  Ready, shoot, AIM!

And if China says that they have sufficient coal and iron-ore?  Australia's collapse will happen nearly instantly.  And US-backed firms in China would also get hammered.

Circular firing squad...

Fri, 10/30/2015 - 10:39 | 6730707 pluto the dog
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bring it on! China has utterly destroyed manufacturing in Australia and the Chinese now exert too much influence in this country - sure they buy our minerals but theyve got the upper hand - the mineral wealth has come at too great a cost - and then they come here with the money they took from us and buy all our assets - its a very bad situation for Australia

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:55 | 6722883 orangegeek
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The Americans control the shipping lanes or the Chinese control the shipping lanes.

 

Choose.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:03 | 6722928 Seer
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Yup!  Many at the higher-levels in the US are aware that the US empire cannot endure and that eventually someone else will need to step on to the stage of playing the world's policeman.  The potential for economic disaster is too great; and, the one of outright full-fledge war is unlikely because there's lots of US targets in China (TPTB's businesses residing there).  There will need to be, however, some sort of "play acting" that covers for a good story line (to keep all the natives from revolting).

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:34 | 6723159 sherryw
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Huh? This is the first time I have read that the USA is aware that someone else will have step up to be the world's policeman. Could you please extrapolate. I don't understand your logic.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 17:00 | 6723317 Seer
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The LOGIC is easy: TPTB don't hold an allegence to any "nation;" they only need control.  The statements I'll try to look back up...

OK, here (http://issues.org/22-4/krepinevich-2/ [first paragraph is sufficient, but want to not be accused of taking something out of context so I included more, and at no extra charge!])

China’s rise to great regional power status and over time to global status is the third principal and enduring challenge to U.S. security. To date, many discussions of China’s disposition paint it in stark terms: as either a threat that must be addressed along the lines of the Soviet Union, or as a state that simply wants to be acknowledged as a great power and fully incorporated into the global economy and international community.

The truth probably lies somewhere in between these gloomy and rosy poles. China does not represent the type of threat posed by the Soviet Union. Unlike Soviet Russia, China is not wedded to an aggressive expansionist ideology. Whereas the United States had no significant commercial relationship with the Soviet Union, it has enormous economic ties with China. Moreover, both the United States and China may have important common security interests in limiting the proliferation of WMD and combating radical Islamists.

However, China could emerge as a major threat to U.S. security in the manner of Germany against Britain a century ago. Like Germany in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, China is a rapidly rising power. The regime in Beijing is confronted by challenges to its political legitimacy; growing ecological problems; an economy that has enjoyed remarkable growth but may be entering a more mature period characterized by slower growth; serious demographic problems that could induce societal instability; a rapidly growing dependence on foreign energy supplies; and outstanding security issues over Taiwan, the Spratley Islands, Tibet, and perhaps portions of the Russian Far East. These strains could lead to friction between Washington and Beijing.

There is some evidence that China seeks to displace the United States as the principal military power in East Asia and to establish itself as the region’s hegemonic power. If this were to occur naturally, stemming from the evolution of Chinese economic power and a corresponding increase in influence, the United States would probably accept such an outcome. However, if Chinese preeminence were achieved through coercion or aggression, this would serve neither U.S. interests in the region nor the stability of the international system and the rule of law.

The ways in which China may challenge U.S. forces will likely be quite different from those of other U.S. adversaries in the post–Cold War world. The scale of military effort that China can generate far exceeds that of any rogue state. China’s ability to deny military access to its territory is far more advanced than that of any existing or likely potential U.S. rival. China’s enormous landmass provides it with great strategic depth, a problem that U.S. defense planners have not had to address since the Cold War.

The challenge for the U.S. military today is to adapt its forces to confront the more novel forms of Chinese military power. The United States needs to create and maintain a military balance in East Asia that is favorable to itself and its allies and guards against contingencies that might tempt the Chinese to act coercively or aggressively. The United States should also encourage China to cooperate in areas where the two countries have common security interests and convince Beijing that outstanding geopolitical issues should be resolved according to accepted international legal norms.

 

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:09 | 6723552 sherryw
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Thanks Seer. That seems to be a reasonable assessment. Though I notice it was written in 2006. It is very US centric and quite clearly indicates the US's right to preemptive strikes. I didn't think there was much evidence in 2006 that Russia is expansionist. How many bases do they have in other countries? Putin seems to be of the mind to expand influence economically and cooperatively, as was the 'roses' picture noted in the paper regarding one of the two China scenarios. I would be interested to see an update.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 21:26 | 6724437 Seer
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It was an upper military strategic document.

" It is very US centric and quite clearly indicates the US's right to preemptive strikes."

Well, when "might makes right" I suppose that passes muster.  Morally, and when you compate to all the US's talk of "freedom" and such, it doesn't hold up.

"I didn't think there was much evidence in 2006 that Russia is expansionist."

The ONLY expansioning that Russia has done since then is to ALLOW Crimea to join Russia.  Current day activitiess in Syria are under a more "legal" framework than that of the US, which has no legitimate such legal backing (go ahead and find it in the UN charter and resolutions).  The US is, as it's been doing for some time now, using the false cover of "fighting terrorists" to invade other countries.  US CREATES the terrorists (actors) and then goes and "fights" them, all the while disposing the existing governing structure of the land.  Very few in the US govt will admit to this, except perhaps this person:

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/congresswoman-tells-truth-about-sy...

Good luck opposing her in any debate! (and now we know why Billary managed to get the DNC to push her aside)

The US is an empire in decline: the apex is always when the country goes full-fiat; that occurred back in 1971.  Yes, there be sharks in the water.  Doesn't make much sense though, as the US is itself a shark, albeit a dying one.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:31 | 6723141 sherryw
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A multi-polar world is better than a unipolar world. America has become a big selfish bully.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 17:04 | 6723350 Seer
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ALL empires are or become bullies!

Continued expansion ALWAYS results in conflict over turf (from which to extract resources from).  "America" [sic] is but another empire that is nearing its apex (if not already falling down the other side- only looking back in time will we be better able to discern the actual point in time)

To better understand the stages of empire I HIGHLY suggest reading this:

http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2014/092814_files/TheFateofEmp...

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 15:59 | 6722907 I Write Code
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Settle all those islands with kangaroos and cane toads.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:29 | 6723121 sherryw
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And eastern brown snakes! Haha!

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:04 | 6722938 lancia11
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Australia, 23 million citizens. Most of them Left pussys.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:19 | 6723049 Lostinfortwalton
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If China decides to invade the Aussie civilians and veterans have been totally disarmed. The Chinese don't even need to say "All your guns belong to us!". Not sure if the Aussie military flys the LGBTQ banner like the US but they prolly do as well.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 17:22 | 6723449 Seer
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So, it's the fault of the LGBTs that the Aussie became addicted to pimping coal and iron-ore, thus becoming dependent on China?  The chest-beating mineral extractors there are LGBTs?  Who knew?

Thanks for the sound logic!

Fri, 10/30/2015 - 10:24 | 6730623 pluto the dog
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fags wont fight

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:23 | 6723074 richsob
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I don't understand all the China love on this website.  (Full Disclosure: I do have Chinese family members and enjoy visiting China.)  But China built a shitty little island in the middle of international waters and is now claiming they control everything within a jillion miles of something that a strong hurricane would erase from the planet.  They act like all you have to do is create a crappy little island and "Viola!" you are King of the Universe.  Try building an island near Russian territory and see how that works out for you.  Or the coast of California.  Or off the coast of any decent country.  They are asking for trouble and will get it because their neighbors don't like it.  And with good reason.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 17:10 | 6723383 Seer
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And it's equally as disturbing that there's any reason the US is supposed to sail way the fuck across the globe to poke at this insane operation, no?

I suppose you prefer it done the "accepted" way, invade a country and build a multi-billion dollar military base?  And call it all legal?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:09 | 6723661 richsob
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It's in international waters.  Anybody in the world has the right to sail past it.  Don't let your hatred of the U.S. blind you to international law.  You and I also have the right to sail past that island any time we want.  I'll even furnish the beer and the bait.  Deal?

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:30 | 6723129 hannah
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the aussies should send a stingray. seems to kill more aussies than anything else...

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:30 | 6723130 Free_Spirit
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Idiots.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:32 | 6723146 juggalo1
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I'm glad other countries are following up the US initiative.  China's efforts to project power over the ocean by means of these dredged up sandbars is horseshit.  The amount of ocean they are claiming as some territorial water is ridiculous, especially considering it is based on these tiny clumps of sand.  Ultimately the law is what people in power choose to enforce, so I am glad the US is showing that we will stand up for freedom of the seas, and against unreasonable bullying claims by the Chinese.  This should be settled by dialogue between the South China Seas countries, but China's military should not give them additional negotiating leverage.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 19:23 | 6723976 PhilofOz
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...and I'll bet if your own favourite country (insert name here........) had been smart enough to have thought to do exactly the same first it would have been a wonderful achievment that should be defended with all the strength their military forces have. I smell hypocricy here!

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 16:44 | 6723203 Able Ape
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NO WORRIES - The Australian Navy can't possibly say SOBER long enough to sail that far North - "hav an'otr pint, mate?"...

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 17:13 | 6723399 Flying Wombat
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What's really playing out in the South China Sea?  Freedom of navigation exercise

We’ll take a look at what’s really playing out in the South China Sea with Robert Daly, director of the Kissinger Institute on China and the United States at the Wilson Center. 

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=528275

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 17:20 | 6723435 sherryw
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Fwiw, I forwarded this onto my Federal MP. But seriously, those I have spoken to in person are stuck in Cold War thinking. I don't think they realise Oz is being used.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 17:28 | 6723483 Seer
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They don't CARE!  They only care about staying above the pile of plebs.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 20:12 | 6724158 squid
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Same in Canada.....

They just can't see it. All this GARBAGE is just to support the US dollar.

 

I shake my head.

 

Squid

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 20:12 | 6724159 squid
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Same in Canada.....

They just can't see it. All this GARBAGE is just to support the US dollar.

 

I shake my head.

 

Squid

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 17:29 | 6723485 Wahooo
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Sailing ships around those islands won't stop China from expanding. Nothing but more useless red lines.

Wed, 10/28/2015 - 18:44 | 6723823 9D382a4-114dk19
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China must be made to understand it can't flout international law.

Good to see other nations agree.

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 09:56 | 6725832 Amicus Curiae
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well in that case hows about murrika stops flouting the useless international laws as well

like  rabble rousing to oust legally elected govts in other nations

libya ukraine syria

islands anywhere near uSSa got taken over pdq..

my first comment on 9 11 was?

Im only surprised it took so long.

then

hmm? another inside job- as the truth and the film came out.

 

Thu, 10/29/2015 - 00:39 | 6724902 onmail1
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