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US Ground Troops In Syria Is "Illegal, Big Mistake", Russia Warns Obama Of "Unpredictable Consequences"
On Tuesday, Defense Secretary Ash Carter told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the US would no longer hesitate to engage in “direct action on the ground” in Iraq and Syria.
The change in rhetoric (and apparent shift in strategy) comes just days after the US seemingly prepared the public for what might be coming by releasing helmet cam footage of what Washington says was a raid on an ISIS prison by Delta Force (accompanied by the Peshmerga). 70 prisoners were allegedly freed although not before the US suffered its first combat death in Iraq since 2011.
The timing of the video is suspect, to say the least. It came just days after Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joe Dunford visited Iraqi PM Haider al-Abadi in an effort to dissuade Baghdad from requesting Russian airstrikes on ISIS targets. In short, it appears as though Washington is trying to simultaneously, i) prove to Mid-East governments that the US can still be effective in the fight against terrorism even as questions remain about ulterior motives and even as Russia racks up gains in Syria, and ii) prepare the public for the possibility that America is about to put boots on the ground in Iraq and Syria. Here’s more from WSJ on Washington’s new “strategy”:
The White House is seriously considering deploying a small squadron of Apache attack helicopters to Iraq as part of a package of new assistance programs to counter Islamic State, according to U.S. officials.
The move could ultimately require the deployment of hundreds more U.S. service members to Iraq. Among other proposals, U.S. officials said some in the military recommend openly deploying a small number of forces on the ground in Syria, embedded among moderate rebels or Kurdish forces there, for the first time.
Pressure is mounting on the regime to change course. Recent Russian intervention in Syria on the side of the regime, and the threat of Moscow intervening in Iraq next, has spurred the U.S. to step up its role, defense officials acknowledge.
Pentagon officials have recommended to the White House that the U.S. deploy as many as eight Apache helicopters and their crews to Iraq. The helicopters, known for their targeting prowess, could work in conjunction with as many as two dozen ground spotters who would embed with local ground forces to call in strikes against Islamic State targets.
Another proposal, which is less likely, would insert small numbers of combat advisers on the front lines with Iraqi forces and possibly with moderate rebels inside Syria. Pentagon officials are also likely to enhance Iraqi intelligence capabilities, possibly through a group on the ground that would serve as a single point of coordination between the U.S. and Iraq, a senior military official said.
Last week, the defense chief said Americans should expect more raids like the joint U.S.-Kurdish operation that took place in the town of Hawija, Iraq, in which 70 prisoners were freed and an American was killed in action, the first since 2011. The U.S. also recently dropped 50 tons of ammunition to an umbrella group of moderate rebel forces inside Syria now known as the Syria-Arab Coalition, or SAC, as part of a renewed effort to strengthen local forces.
Pentagon and White House officials indicated the deployment of Apache helicopters was being given the most serious consideration, and therefore the most likely step.
U.S. officials say momentum is building within the administration to ramp up those efforts even more, capitalizing on the strength of Kurdish and other Iraqi forces.
“I believe we will have an opportunity to reinforce Iraqi success in the days ahead,” Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joe Dunford told Senate lawmakers at a hearing on Tuesday.
Alright, so let’s see if we can untangle this. Washington intends to send in the Apaches to bolster Iraqi forces both Peshmerga and otherwise. Or at least that’s what it sounds like. The Pentagon is also considering the placement of American ground troops with “moderate” rebels and with the YPG in Syria.
As we’ve detailed extensively (and this isn’t exactly a secret), Iran effectively runs the Iraqi military via its various Shiite militia proxy armies. That’s not an exaggeration. As Reuters reported earlier this month, “the Fifth Iraqi Army Division now reports to the militias’ chain of command, not to the military’s, according to several U.S. and coalition military officials.” So when the Apaches and their crews aren’t supporting the Kurds, they’ll be openly supporting Iran-backed fighters.
Ok, fine.
Only that isn’t at all consistent with placing US ground troops with Syria’s “moderate rebels” like the Free Syrian Army because after all, they’re fighting the very same Iran-backed Shiite militias. So the US would be bolstering the militiamen in Iraq with Apache gunship support and then firing on those exact same militiamen across the border in Syria in support of the “moderate” rebels battling to oust the Assad regime.
It’s beyond absurd.
And then of course there’s the whole Kurd/Turkey problem. The US is, i) fighting alongside the Peshmerga in Iraq and intends to support them going forward with Apache helicopters, ii) paradropping guns and ammo to the YPG in Syria (as part of a ridiculous ruse that involves the largely made-up SAC mentioned above by WSJ), and now iii) may even send in ground troops to fight with the YPG. But Turkey just bombed the YPG yesterday. Additionally, the US is flying sorties from Incirlik which sets up the insanely ridiculous possibility that if the US embeds troops with the Syrian Kurds, US jets could be taking off from the same base as Turkish warplanes only the US warplanes would be supporting the YPG while Turkish warplanes bomb them.
So, yeah. This is should all go swimmingly.
Finally, there’s the possibility that if the US puts boots on the ground in Syria in support of the “moderate” rebels, those troops will be killed by Russia and Iran (which Dunford said on Tuesday likely has "more than 1,000 [soldiers] on the ground in Iraq [and] something less than 2,000 in Syria"), and with that, we close with several comments from Chairman of the Russian Upper House committee for foreign affairs, Konstantin Kosachev (via RT) and a few images:
Commenting on the potential involvement of US ground troops against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, Kosachev once again highlighted that, when it comes to Syria, the US-led anti-ISIS campaign is already violating international law. Potential troops on the ground, Kosachev believes, will further violate international regulations
“Any operations – air based operations, ground based operations – in Syria by American forces will be illegal,”Kosachev told RT, explaining that Washington has not been invited by Damascus to take part in military operation in a sovereign country.
“They will get trapped, they will get involved in this ongoing conflict and the consequences will be absolutely unpredictable,” Kosachev said, addicting that sending US troops into Syria would be a “big mistake.”
At the same time, Kosachev, stressed that Russia would not send ground troops into Syria.
“No ground operation is possible [in Syria], because that would inevitably involve Russia in the ongoing war,” the politician told RT.
"Only air strikes"?!
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Obama's handlers must really want that Pipeline in syria
Illegality has never stopped the USSA from invading other countries. Countries bombed/invaded since 1945:
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
Afghanistan 2001
Libya 2011
Let me know if I am missing any countries
Russia 1917-22
Declaration of War? We don't need no stinkin' Declaration of War!
Pancho Mulatto?
Constitutional Scholar.
Just wait... some nutter CIA plant will post a YouTube video alleging Syria was behind 9-11, then the community organizer with a law degree and a adjunct teaching gig (masquerading as a professor and constitutional scholar) will have all the "evidence" he needs use AUMF to bypass Congress.
(A certain JP Morgan quote about lawyers comes to mind...)
reason: global war on terror.
Impossible to declare objectives, or victory. Therefore, eternal
"We've always been at war with Eastasia"
Orwell was a genius.
“a small squadron of Apache attack helicopters”
Is that like a tiny malignant tumor or maybe a severed little finger?
just asking…..
“a small squadron of Apache attack helicopters”
Real wars are almost impossible to sell to the public now. Look at Syria. Now they just get incremental permission for each military mission, which in their sum constitute a global war.
Those AH-1 Apaches carry chemical weapons as a Force Multiplier:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-16/five-most-ridiculous-uses-gover...
ewww... man, cmon. I had to walk past the Planned Parenthood protesters this morning with their disgusting signs, now burnt kids on ZH. Post a nice rack or something to balance out the universe.
How inconvenient for you burger boy.
shut the fuck up Donny
Four thoughts: 1. playing catch up after you fucked up and walked away does not work (and only an absolute idiot would believe otherwise), 2. Obama and his administration must know something about our economy that is bad that the public does not know, why else would he get neck deep in a war during an election year?, and, 3. If we end up in a war or three (Mideast, China and Ukraine) Hillary will lose and a republican will win the Whitehouse, 4. If the economy tanks a republican will win the White House. Looks like Barry enjoys fucking the dog.
Crap..
I teared for the kid.
No matter his place, position or circumstance.
This is a matter of financial aggression.
It must be stopped.
What the NeoCons want, they will get!
Obama wants (additional) common sense gun laws to reduce violence in the US while dropping 50 tons of weapons somewhere in the desert for unknown people to find in the middle of a civil war. Wrap your head around that.
I can't. I'm not a sociopath.
Boots on the ground means special forces. We aren't talking about the 82nd airborne. Plus someone needs to stop ISIS. Who else can do it?
Sorry thing.
Biology, psychopathy and politics.
The darkest, worst un-empathetic genes rise to the top.
Orwell was a genius.
His work was not predictive, it was foretelling events that were planned long, long ago... Orwell was one of them...
So, was Quigly one too?
Do certain of them need to purge info every once in a while?
yes
cool so US ground troops embeded with the Kurds will be attacked by their allies in NATO the Turks! what could go wrong?
You know what these fuckers say, a trillion dollars spent, a trillion dollars earned.
Hmm.
A trillion here,, a trillion there..
Pretty soon you are talking about real fiat.
“the French government was deeply in debt and attempted to restore its financial status through unpopular taxation schemes.”
i was with the russians in the post above until this, which seems worthy of the u.s. government in its illogic.
“No ground operation is possible [in Syria], because that would inevitably involve Russia in the ongoing war,” the politician told RT.
imo flying sorties now numbering in the hundreds has already done that pretty thoroughly.
i still wish them, iran and hezbollah well, if that doesn't open me up to a terrorism prosecution.
it's pretty hard to oppose brave little israel here in the states and get away with it.
Don't consent to a terrorist prosecution.
one man's terrorist is another man's patriot....
go figure...
in the end (rectum) it's all about the banker's credit..
Were you on the way to temple?
"shut the fuck up Donny"
..and start folding !
www.eyebleach.com
There disgusting signs? Are you fycking kidding me you sick monkey? Those are murdered babies. If that doesn't change you're mind you're nothing short of an animal.
There disgusting signs? Are you fycking kidding me you sick monkey? Those are murdered babies. If that doesn't change your mind you're nothing short of an animal.
hahahaha indeed, shut up burger boy. Go google some more K.K.
BKbroiler,
Soon enough, you may know the next child who has been burned by MIC.
Until then keep complaining; like a child.
Maybe it will be you or yours.
Hope not to be so.
Just the tip.
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
..this should be Lit 101
More like Modern American History 101.
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
2015 - IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT
http://thebulletin.org/clock/2015
Reg Morrison: “The human brain remains a piece of stone-age machinery, however you look at it, and no amount of culture can make it otherwise. Genetically speaking we are a finished product, not a prototype. What you see is what you get—there will be no bright utopian future.”— The Spirit in the Gene, page 247.
Especially when the dumbest breed the most.
Double whammy.
dupe
Too true.
I'm waiting for the day someone to ask a senior politician just those 2 questions.
Nobody eve does of course...
Keeps the sheeple busy
Evidence? We don't need no stinkin' evidence, we are Amerika!
So we have Russian soldiers on the ground fighting ISIS & the "moderate" rebels alongside Iran & Syria -- while Russia blows said head choppers to smithereens. While the US will have soldiers on the ground fighting Assad & Hezbollah blowing them up from the air.
What happens when Russia troops take on American troops, thinking they are ISIS and the Americans thinking they are Hezbollah. What happens then? (Then they call air strikes on one another and everyone figures out shit just went real wrong really quickly).
"What happens when Russia troops take on American troops, thinking they are ISIS and the Americans thinking they are Hezbollah"
That's a feature, not a bug. And that is why the Russians are calling out on it beforehand.
It is a cluster "F" waiting to happen. Not that the Middle east has been a total cluster f since Saddam was taken out on the behest of our Saudi "Royals".
Agree on the clusterfuck. Disagree that it's been a clusterfuck since Saddam was taken out. It's been a cluster fuck since I've been born.
But this isn't about the middle east. This is about Russia. MH17 didn't work. Sarin gas didn't work. Next up, shoot down NATO plane and blame it on Russia.
If it is shot down over Syria they will still
Not have anything to bitch about.
It is a party that only Russians were invited to.
It is difficult to bitch about crashing a party and then getting your ass kicked.
The ME has been a clusterfuck a lot longer than the odd decade.
More like the odd millenium, courtesy of the Hebes and the ragheads.
for all his illogic about the conclusions drawn, i think the russian politician is right that russia wants to use planes and missiles, maybe wave weapons, but leave the infantry work to syria, iran and hezbollah.
You can be sure, that the US stay 11,99 miles away.
Like in the South China Sea.
Russia is providing air cover to Iran and Hezbollah in Syria, so that the USAF can't bomb the Shiite ground troops. America is providing ground troops in Syria to embed with "rebels," so that Russia can't bomb the Sunni ground troops. Proxy war at its most insane, cause it just went beyond proxies.
The Sunni-Shiite divide is centuries old, and not a fight we should ever have gotten involved with. Dumbassery at its most insane.
You might think the U.S. military might someday rebel against this kind of wanton waste of its resources. But no, I guess we are just going to grind ourselves away to nothing in the Middle East meat chopper.
Well maybe Russia can't/won't bomb the embedded Americans. But Quds and Hezbollah can bombard them with thermobaric MLRS.
Wikileaks Ukraine has leaked a conversation regarding planning false flag shoot downs that involved a certain sitting US Senator who happens to have met with the Nazis in Ukraine and the terrorists in Syria. I believe the plan is to shoot down a US/NATO jet and then a Russian.
You'll have to provide a Link for that one.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/10/ukrainian-wikileaks-mccain-and.html
No way in HELL Russia would mistakenly engage US troops.
The US on the other hand is preparing for "oop"s WW3.
ALL US wars are "oops" as NONE were voted upon by citizenry or true constituent
representation.
Russia is on defense, US seeking another "accidental" mistake. PPPfffTTT !
Stock up now, it's cheeper.
Russia needs to state the legal case before the UN Security Council and force the USG to veto the Resolution, thus making Vichy DC even more in the wrong internationally!
Russia was already holding the UN's feet to the fire. Things just got a whole lot worse in the last two days.
The Golan Heights is not Israeli territory according to the UN - ever since 1949. They recognize Israel is occupying it, but under international law (such as it were) the Golan Heights are still Syrian soverign territory. Technically, Syria and Israel are still at war. They are only maintaining a cease-fire/truce along a UNDOF neutral zone (= safe zone = no-fly zone) established in 1974. The 1974 truce didnt' 'give' Israel the Golan land. It was simply an agreement that Israel and Syria would stop attacking eachother and stay out of a neutral zone between each country's armies.
Herein lies the problem: Israel has been directly supporting al Nusra and ISIS forces hiding inside that neutral zone. The place is so over-run with head-choppers that the 1300 UN observers LEFT their own camps in that zone and have relocated to the Israeli side of the cease-fire line. They openly acknowledge that they can't do anything about defending the zone because Nusra/ISIS are not parties to the ceasefire, and Israel is covertly supplying them so there's no proof that they are violating the cease-fire.
Israel has repeatedly bombed SAA troops chasing al Nusra/ISIS into the neutral zone. This is a direct violation of the 1974 truce. Russia has always been pissed about that, but on Monday they bitch-slapped Israel without anything but a ridiculous cover story spewed by the MSM (the paraglider thing). Nobody seems to understand the profound implications of RUSSIA flying combat missions IN THE UNDOF ZONE to bomb Israeli's little al Nusra buddies. They just did this in al Qunaitra, which juts out into the occupied Golan Heights in such a way that it would be difficult to bomb anything there without overflying the neurtral zone into the Israeli side. Israel loves to use the word 'border' to suggest some kind of international recognition, but there is none. There is (was) only a UNDOF-maintained cease-fire zone arranged well into Syrian territory in 1974. Israel never left Syrian land and simply claim it as theirs.
Russia keeps reiterating how it is adhering to international law. Something tells me that this is in preparation for chasing any al Nusra/ISIS head-choppers into the Golan Heights as far as they need to. They are not 'violating' Israeli airspace or soverign lands because it is - by international recognition - still Syrian territory.
Everyone is waiting for a false flag, and it's been brewing right under our noses. Al Nusra and ISIS will retreat into the Golan Heights because they think it will offer them immunity from Russian air attacks. Russia recognizes (as does the world) that Syria STILL LEGALLY extends to the Jordan river - the Golan Heights IS SYRIAN SOVERIGN TERRITORY. Russia is not 'provoking' Israel - Israel shouldn't be there according to international law and UN recognition.
I think Russia is going to drive al Nusra and ISIS INTO the Golan Heights to force this issue - an issue that Israel has already LOST in the eyes of the international community. Would the U.S. go nuclear to 'defend' Israel's land-theft? Answer: Who cares. Dick Cheney's oil company just found a huge deposit there - of course the U.S. would go nuclear to protect his money. That's what the U.S. does.
I see you got a down arrow, but no challenge to your synopsis.
Always appreciate your perspectives, and often learn something from them. Thanks.
Some butthurt Zionist douche no doubt.
And I have to agree, I learn something from them as well.
Here is a much more coherent description of the situation relative to oil from New Eastern Outlook:
Genies and Genocide: Syria, Israel, Russia and Much Oil
This isn't the reason Russia may be forcing the issue - it's simply another dimension to the existing issues regarding the Golan Heights.
Israel was asinine to stir up trouble there, calling attention to the Golan once again under the pretense of that old chestnut 'stopping arms shipments to Hezbollah' or nonsense about Syrian rockets shooting into 'Israel's territory'. This time, they may end up with either 1) Russia and Syria kicking their asses out of the Golan once and for all with the backing of the international community, or 2) the hired help (their al Nusra and ISIS 'buds') stopping by for an extended visit, in which case Israel has a small war against pissed-off takfiri head-choppers on their hands.
Israel is censoring the hell out of whatever they've been doing the last couple of days in the UNDOF zone - it's been a hornet's nest of Israeli AF activity. Something bad (for them) must have happened. Not like a single jet getting shot down, but something like one of their IDF-manned operations centers in Quneitra or the UNDOF zone besieged by the SAA. They keep pumping the 'cooperation' with Russia, which smells like bullshit to me. More probable: Putin saying that an Israeli attack on Syrian troops in the UNDOF zone would be treated like an attack on Russia, itself. Hell, Russia may have SF guys embedded in the SAA forces trying to kick al Nusra out of the UNDOF zone. If Israel knows that, then they can't attack Syrian troop formations or risk killing Russian soldiers, and they can't rescue Israeli spooks stuck in some surrounded illegal ops center. Just think what kind of incriminating evidence the SAA/Russia might find. Maybe Israel is trying to level the place and kill everyone inside including their guys.
Ditto!
I said last night the US will fuck up (intentionally) and place troops with the "Moderate" terrists, then dare Russia to bomb them.
That's why Russia needs to hit up the Security Council ASAP.
Geez, the USG has Gone Too Far. Voting does no good, we can't overthrow the government, it must be a legal removal of these psychopath Zionists/neocons/chicken hawks!
The most immediate task for Russia would be to liquidate ALL "moderate" terrists in Syria, thus depriving USG of the chance to insert cannon fodder for bomb runs. Beware, US Soldier! Your .gov is selling YOU Out!
Great analysis. Thank you.
Always liked reading your posts. Thank you, thumbs up
Israel was attacked. That's why it has the Golan Hights. Unliee zisrael, China went into Tibet and took a whole nation and murdered most of the Tibetan Monks. How come you aren't whining abut that. China was not attacked. Russia goes into the Ukraine and annexes a large part of that nation. How come you are not whining about Russia. No, you just hate Jews and Israel You hate Israel, the only democratic nation where women, gays, and every other citizen has equal rights. You hate Israel becasue it is a multicultural society where Jews, white and blac, Muslims, Arabs, andothers work and play together. You hate israel because it gives full and equal rights to women and gays. You hate Israel becasue slavery - both sexual and workplace - are illegal there, unlike many of Israels neighbors where most people have no rights and slavery is practiced. You hate israel becasue it is a moral nation. You hate Israel becasue Jews defend their lands when attacked. You hate Israel becasue it is the only ethical nation in the MidEast region. You are morally bankrupt.
"...Israel was attacked. That's why it has the Golan Hights..."
It doesn't have the Golan Heights, it only occupies Syrian territory by force with the backing of its paid help. The weak-assed loophole Israel tries to use as justification for land and resource theft is laughed at by the rest of the world. If the U.S. Congress didn't work for Israel and control the U.N., then Israel wouldn't have the Golan today. The trouble with pissing of every other nation on earth except for your paid thug - the U.S. - is that someday the U.S. thug won't be there to back Israel. Nobody will give a shit about weasel legal loopholes if the U.S. isn't standing right behind Israel threatening the world. When the current Israeli government falls and rational Israelis take control of the country, they will have no problem leaving the Golan Heights. Everyone there isn't a paranoid psychopathic Likud nut-job.
"...Unliee zisrael, China... blah blah bla... Russia... blah blah bla..."
You forgot the U.S. - why is that? I won't bother with the rest of your strawman. The current Israeli government isn't one of a global superpower, it only acts as arrogant as one while hiding behind the skirt of the U.S.
"...No, you just hate Jews and Israel..."
No, I stated many times before that I hope the Jews and Palestinians take back Israel from the left-wing nutjobs that have turned it into the most hated nation on earth, and rid it of the Jewish religious extremists that justify any inhumanity and terrorism for the expansion of their Jewish caliphate. Most Jews (like most Sunni) are not religious extremists and act like human beings when not controlled by fascist psychopaths.
"...You hate Israel, the only democratic nation where women, gays, and every other citizen has equal rights..."
Unless you're Palestinian. In that case, you're less than human to the current Israeli government. Or unless your a Druze living in the Golan Heights, because only a handful of them are Israeli citizens. Or unless you're a Jew, but have dark skin like the rest of Ethiopia - then you have to spend a few months in a razor-wire holding pen in the desert before being deported. I recognize the good people of Israel who are committed to equal rights for everyone - even the Palestinians. Some day they will rule Israel, not the current nutjobs who defile Judiasm and exploit the Jewish people for their own ends.
"...You hate Israel becasue it is a multicultural society where Jews, white and blac, Muslims, Arabs, andothers work and play together..."
As long as those 'other' cultures stay in their concentration camps. Or give up their 600-year-old olive orchards to an Israeli developer. I do recognize that rational Palestinian Jews and Arabs have been living together for a thousand years without killing each other. I wouldn't dignify the current fascist Israeli government's apartheid arrangement as 'multicultural' - not by a long shot.
"...You hate israel because it gives full and equal rights to women and gays..."
OK, do you see what you did there? You repeated the women and gays equal rights, but left off the 'other citizens' in the equal rights part this time. And I'm guessing even the Ethiopian jews or a gay Palestinian woman would quibble with your characterizations.
"...You hate Israel becasue slavery - both sexual and workplace - are illegal there, unlike many of Israels neighbors where most people have no rights and slavery is practiced..."
Illegal? <snort> Tell that to the East European sex slaves working in Tel Aviv and Haifa. And people in Israel's neighboring states have rights and do not practice slavery. You're only talking about enclaves of intolerant nut-job religious extremism. Sound familiar?
"...You hate israel becasue it is a moral nation..."
Did you really just type that? Israel is a state government, not a person. Jews and Arabs are people and - yes - mostly moral. The fascist Israeli government is run by psychopaths who repeatedly commit immoral, inhumane acts in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, I hate the immoral psychopaths controling the Israeli government and the particular brand of fascist Jewish extremism they infect other normally-moral Jews with.
"...You hate Israel becasue Jews defend their lands when attacked..."
I hate the psychopathic fascists running the Israeli government under religious extremism. Calling them Jews is like calling Wahabbi head-choppers 'Sunni' - it's technically correct but irrelevant. And I could care less how the Israeli government reacted when attacked. I would still hate them today because they are psychopathic left-wing fascist haters. They don't speak for all jews, they only control them for now.
"...You hate Israel becasue it is the only ethical nation in the MidEast region..."
No government that steals their own citizen's land and keeps its own people in concentration camps is even remotely ethical. The Nazi party thought they were supremely ethical as well. It's a psychopath thing, I guess.
"...You are morally bankrupt..."
Really? Maybe I should run for congress. I hear there's a lot of money to be made from supporting various fascist regimes in the Middle East.
If ever there's a ZH HOF, that response is going in.
Nothing special that hasn't been said a hundred other times here by many, many others - everyone just gets tired of retyping it. It should be the standard cut-and-paste response to the repetative Hasbara cut-and-paste blathering and misdirection. Although you should replace 'left-wing' with 'right-wing' - what an odd mistake to make. It's not dyslexia; I blame the quart of brake fluid I drank to numb the pain during the GOP debate.
LOL There would be no ZH comment threads without poisonous politics, alcohol and trolls. Nice focus :)
Warning Shot! Russia Tests upgraded MIRVed ICBM:
(Tass)
http://tass.ru/en/defense/832390
Russia's Topol-Ms are being upgraded to MIRVed Yars-Ms. The world's largest strategic ICBM - the 220-ton SS-18 Satans with 10 750kT warheads are being upgraded to a more capable ICBM called the Sarmat.
We keep telling our government not to poke the fucking bear, but they just don't get it.
"Everyone's got a plan... 'till they get punched in the mouth." Tyson
Left-wing and right-wing it is the same plane.
Pave, you are a really funny guy. … Truth, delivered with a wiley smile makes my day. Your posts are always chocked full of information too.
If we should ever cross paths it will be my extreme pleasure to buy you a round or two. Something a little easier on the system and more palatable than extreme hi-temp low sulfur hydraulic oil, I promise.
And yep, HOF material two posts up.
~ DC
Interesting you mentioned Tibet. When the Chinese took over they pretty much left the country to it's own devices and left the Dahli Lama at the head for quite a few years. Then the CIA set up shop in Nepal to train insurgents and send them back into Tibet. The Chinese eventually got tired of this crap and went wild with the Dahli Lama fleeing and 1.5 million of his subjects killed. Thousands of temples or whatever they call their houses of worship destroyed. Another CIA "success" story like the one setting up shop in Jordan in 2012 to train and arm"vetted" Syrian rebels who promptly joined ISIS or Al Nusra. Only 300,000 dead so far. Then there's the more recent clusterfuck where the US supported rebels and a civil war in Rwanda that led to the genocide with 800,000 dead. When apprised of the slaughter Paul Kagame, the US backed rebel leader, refused to intervene because "he had a war to win". Kagame is now president of Rwanda and continues to pursue his own genocide agenda that is completely ignored by the US and the press as he is regularly held up by the US as a great leader and get's invited to dinner at the White House. When the local UN commander realized bad things were brewing a month or so before the butchering began he requested more troops. Every resolution to authorize more troops by the UN was vetoed by the US. To this day the UN commanders, not the US, gets the blame for the genocide. Years later we get the Great Obombinater and his witches Hillary, Susan, and Samantha clammoring to bomb Libya into the stone age, based on propaganda that Qaddafi was going to butcher his people, with the battle cry "no more Rwanda's".
The U.N. Human Rights Council should be notified immediately! Oh, wait... Saudi Arabia heads that group now.
Never mind.
The local joke was it eas Kathmandu was an annexe of Langley.
The spooks stood out like sore thimbs.
Hasbara troll, begone.
No they won't.
They will not go nuclear because that is a conflict that they cannot win.
Not only it is a conflict that they cannot win but it is a conflict that would very likely end their lives.
Even if they do survive, the lifestyle that they are accustomed to would be gone.
They my be greedy psychopaths but they aren't
suicidally stupid.
Outstanding posts Paveway! Appreciate your intel and directness.
Nah. Russia should quietly communicate to western PTB that nukes will be deployed against NATO and all of its allies if a single Russian is harmed by NATO or any of its allies.
"The Congress shall have no Power To...see the TPP..."
Article I, Section 1, Clause 1 - of the TPP
So the US would support the Free Syrian Army? What, are all five of them still alive? Amzing.
White House, Media Silent One Year After Murder of US Reporter Who Exposed Western Links to ISIS October 20, 2015
What an AshHole
I think they keep confusing the Free Syrian Army with the Free Shit Army.
Maricon Mulatto.
El Presidente is leading his invading troops across the southern border.
Ai Yai Yai Yai "The Fredo Bandido" rears it's ugly head to get blown off again!...
Yeah that sure as fuck is the United States military!
Classic!
One way or another, the illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim lying fudgepacker is intent on destroying the country from within and from without.... hope the first nuke lands on the fudgepacker...
They are setting up a situation where there is a possibility that Russia will kill american troops. They want a WW3 don't they.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsQVH2ceXNU
"We're In Trouble" - Power Rangers Music Videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1K3zYmJ8Jc
St Trinians - Uh Oh We're In Trouble (Official Video)Russia 1917-22?
We beat them 1895 points?
Those Russkis must Suck!
You are reading that backwards. We lost by 1895. IIRC, there are still US/UK relics rusting around Arkangel/Murmansk.
That - is a short list of countries bombed and invaded by the USA - they better get going on some more countries pronto, or someone else is gonna catch up to us.
"Let me know if I am missing any countries"
You could have used commas, instead of the return key...
but I guess your agenda of changing the subject was the reason....
He copy-pasted from wikipedia mr thin-foil head.
Majestic12, what subject was I changing? That the USSA is planning to illegally invade another country, and I am listing past examples?
You have to take Kuwait out of the list they did ask for help. But you point is taken and true.
This is shaping up to be Vietnam all over again. But with the Russians shooting at us, too, along with the locals.
They are struggling to get invited to the party. The MIC wants to be included in all WARS. So desperate to be popular.
Look at the childish behavior in the South China Sea. All the Real soldiers have been booted from the Armed services all that is left is high paid Drones with Stars.
The Chinese MIC likes it. The Russian MIC... too
MICs are the only industry that... LOVES COMPETITION
and they don't even need to talk in order to cooperate, just egg on
The Russians were shooting at us in Vietnam (Korea, too). You don't think rice farmers were flying those Mig-21s, do you?
Good point.
No the rice farmers ................busy buying stocks.
The farmers wife flew the Mig's
No, North Vietnamese, probably trained by Soviets, were flying the MiGs.
not all, and certainly not the good ones...
The Russians also manned some of the SAM batterys.
Another midnless bankster and MICE/Deep State wars with millions dead and wounded.
The US pussies never invade European countries except for Yugo/Bosnia.
Don't have to. We've had military bases there since 1945!
NATO: Pushing eastward since 1991!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases
http://www.eur.army.mil/organization/garrisons.htm
Don't have to. We've had military bases there since 1945!
You know! Since the Normandy (France) invasion (in Europe) and the ultimate drive
(aka invasion) into Germany (Europe). Not to mention tha Anzio and Salerno landings
(aka invasions) in Italy (Europe) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Italy).
Other than those, you are correct!
NATO: Pushing eastward since 1991!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases
http://www.eur.army.mil/organization/garrisons.htm
"And the Anzio bridgehead was held for the price of a few hundred ordinary lives."
http://www.metrolyrics.com/when-the-tigers-broke-free-lyrics-pink-floyd....
https://youtu.be/YKfwwlEcowk
I'm pretty sure we must have been bombing someone between 1973 and 1980
Na, didnt have to, we had everyones favorite tribe start the Yom Kipper War in 73 and do it for us against well.... Syria of all places.
I laughed my butt off when Russia sent a airstrike into the Golan Heights yesterday sending a message loud and clear to Nutjob.
Additional Info. \Some Geologist is supposed to have found a Huge oil deposit in the Golan with a strata 35 meters thick. The Israei goons think they are going to do a land snatch in the confusion for the rest of the Golan and have been pretending neutral but sneaking fighter strikes to the Syrian side. That just got nipped in the bud yesterday.
Talking of that, someone has been mowing the grass on one of the ISIS lawns. (20 seconds onwards)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl3mAiHF1vU
BTW the guy with the brown coat and binocculas letting off at the start doesn't look like the typical ISIS raging loon - minimal beard, pale skin, minimal allahu snackbar - a westerner?
What's even funnier is Iraq has already said "NO THANKS" to ground troops in Iraq. They have seen enough of your so called help.
Also the little hero raid the other day was a complete farce. The Pershmerga was supposed to lead the raid and do all the dirty work while US troops come in behind. Of the casualties, The one US soldier that got wacked got a little to rambunctious and got out in front.
Yea hero, lead from behind and you Kurds charge the hill and we look like we did the raid and take the credit. WHATEVER.
The US is trying real hard to look relevent here. Just like the single ship to China crap. OOOOHHHHHH SCARY, No one is Intimidated, it makes you look weak ,and they just think your insane.
GO big or GO HOME. But mostly GO HOME WITH SOME DIGNITY LEFT. You can't afford to Play and you look sad and no one wants your help.
no one wants our help...until they do.
Those casualties appear to be pro-Assad troops. Hez or Shia militia I would guess. It doesn't look like an arty or an airstrike and you can't hear anything big in the background firing. Some of the US terrorists appear to be wearing more modern desert unis instead of woodland like the dead. Everyone has Russian kit.
Sadly that appears to be a small victory for the US terrorists.
That guy you picked out might be Georgian or Chechen or a 'white arab'. You know, like a "white hispanic".
According to Tvezda (Russian military oriented news), the Syrian army dropped some artillery/MLRS on the site. There are all sorts of merecenary groups there fighting on both sides.
One thing else, the surviving ISIS thugs do not appear to be descerating the the dead 'infidels' which the dead would be if they were Assad's men.
I guess an arabic translation would sort it out.
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151028/1029209074/golan-heights-oil-...
We've found an oil stratum 350 meters thick in the southern Golan Heights. On average worldwide, strata are 20 to 30 meters thick, and this is 10 times as large as that, so we are talking about significant quantities," Afek Oil & Gas chief geologist Yuval Bartov claimed in an interview to a local broadcaster as quoted by Engdahl.
"The Netanyahu government [is now] more determined than ever to sow chaos and disorder in Damascus and use that to de facto create an Israeli irreversible occupation of Golan and its oil," the expert stressed.
"Now an apparent discovery of huge volumes of oil by a New Jersey oil company whose board includes Iraq war architect, Dick Cheney, neo-con ex-CIA head James Woolsey, and Jacob Lord Rothschild… brings the stakes of the Russian intervention on behalf of Syria's Assad against ISIS [ISIL], al-Qaeda and other CIA-backed 'moderate terrorists' to a new geopolitical dimension," Engdahl underscored.
I read the avg strata is 35 meters and the Golan was 350 meters wide.
I wonder if Russia will go to the mat for Syria on the Golan. I hope so because that oil money could be used to help rebuild Syria.
"Let me know if I am missing any countries"
Confederate States of America - 1861-2015.
Iraq - 2001>
NO but you could go bak another 150 years and it would look the same.
Why the negative votes? I'm agreeing? Was I not clear??
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/we-re-at-war-and-we-have-been-since-1776/
I just like to disagree. that's why I come here.
Why the negative votes? I'm agreeing? Was I not clear??
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/we-re-at-war-and-we-have-been-since-1776/
Why the negative votes? I'm agreeing? Was I not clear??
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/we-re-at-war-and-we-have-been-since-1776/
United States Murrah Federal Building OK City, Ok April 19, 1995
United States Twin Towers NYC NY September 11, 2001
Latina Lover,
Pakistan
Yemen (the US is refueling Saudi planes in flight)
Haiti (forcibly removing Aristide)
Thx for reminding me. My call is Hati is the next up to ask for Russian help. 10/29/15
"Dare you prattle of Laws to we who carry swords?
Pompey Magnus to the Roman Senate
Fear the Walking Dead is FULL of Easter eggs. Almost every character has a major issue they have to deal with.
The Army moves in to establish "safe zones" that end up being more like a detention center.
My favorite quote thus far from the Company Commander.
Yemen, Oman, Egypt
Since its inception the US has gone to war with over 70 countries.
guatemala (again) in the80's and 90's although the proxy was mostly localized to local militia death squads by then. the all of the current africom destabilization as well as the angoly proxy war against russia...
the list would be much shorter if we listed the places uncle BAM didn't cause trouble. fuckers
Typical American on seeing a guy in a uniform :
" Thank you for your service "
Questions Never Thought :
Who, exactly, is being served ? What interests are being defended ?
I've scanned down about half the page for others' repsonses; but didn't find what I'm about to list:
Iraq needs the extention beyond 1991 due to the "No Fly Zone" arrangements.
Latina Lover
Iraq
Pakistan (in tandem with Afghanistan)
The repeat of Iraq in 2003.
Iraq 2003
Syria 2014-Present