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US Ground Troops In Syria Is "Illegal, Big Mistake", Russia Warns Obama Of "Unpredictable Consequences"
On Tuesday, Defense Secretary Ash Carter told the Senate Armed Services Committee that the US would no longer hesitate to engage in “direct action on the ground” in Iraq and Syria.
The change in rhetoric (and apparent shift in strategy) comes just days after the US seemingly prepared the public for what might be coming by releasing helmet cam footage of what Washington says was a raid on an ISIS prison by Delta Force (accompanied by the Peshmerga). 70 prisoners were allegedly freed although not before the US suffered its first combat death in Iraq since 2011.
The timing of the video is suspect, to say the least. It came just days after Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joe Dunford visited Iraqi PM Haider al-Abadi in an effort to dissuade Baghdad from requesting Russian airstrikes on ISIS targets. In short, it appears as though Washington is trying to simultaneously, i) prove to Mid-East governments that the US can still be effective in the fight against terrorism even as questions remain about ulterior motives and even as Russia racks up gains in Syria, and ii) prepare the public for the possibility that America is about to put boots on the ground in Iraq and Syria. Here’s more from WSJ on Washington’s new “strategy”:
The White House is seriously considering deploying a small squadron of Apache attack helicopters to Iraq as part of a package of new assistance programs to counter Islamic State, according to U.S. officials.
The move could ultimately require the deployment of hundreds more U.S. service members to Iraq. Among other proposals, U.S. officials said some in the military recommend openly deploying a small number of forces on the ground in Syria, embedded among moderate rebels or Kurdish forces there, for the first time.
Pressure is mounting on the regime to change course. Recent Russian intervention in Syria on the side of the regime, and the threat of Moscow intervening in Iraq next, has spurred the U.S. to step up its role, defense officials acknowledge.
Pentagon officials have recommended to the White House that the U.S. deploy as many as eight Apache helicopters and their crews to Iraq. The helicopters, known for their targeting prowess, could work in conjunction with as many as two dozen ground spotters who would embed with local ground forces to call in strikes against Islamic State targets.
Another proposal, which is less likely, would insert small numbers of combat advisers on the front lines with Iraqi forces and possibly with moderate rebels inside Syria. Pentagon officials are also likely to enhance Iraqi intelligence capabilities, possibly through a group on the ground that would serve as a single point of coordination between the U.S. and Iraq, a senior military official said.
Last week, the defense chief said Americans should expect more raids like the joint U.S.-Kurdish operation that took place in the town of Hawija, Iraq, in which 70 prisoners were freed and an American was killed in action, the first since 2011. The U.S. also recently dropped 50 tons of ammunition to an umbrella group of moderate rebel forces inside Syria now known as the Syria-Arab Coalition, or SAC, as part of a renewed effort to strengthen local forces.
Pentagon and White House officials indicated the deployment of Apache helicopters was being given the most serious consideration, and therefore the most likely step.
U.S. officials say momentum is building within the administration to ramp up those efforts even more, capitalizing on the strength of Kurdish and other Iraqi forces.
“I believe we will have an opportunity to reinforce Iraqi success in the days ahead,” Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joe Dunford told Senate lawmakers at a hearing on Tuesday.
Alright, so let’s see if we can untangle this. Washington intends to send in the Apaches to bolster Iraqi forces both Peshmerga and otherwise. Or at least that’s what it sounds like. The Pentagon is also considering the placement of American ground troops with “moderate” rebels and with the YPG in Syria.
As we’ve detailed extensively (and this isn’t exactly a secret), Iran effectively runs the Iraqi military via its various Shiite militia proxy armies. That’s not an exaggeration. As Reuters reported earlier this month, “the Fifth Iraqi Army Division now reports to the militias’ chain of command, not to the military’s, according to several U.S. and coalition military officials.” So when the Apaches and their crews aren’t supporting the Kurds, they’ll be openly supporting Iran-backed fighters.
Ok, fine.
Only that isn’t at all consistent with placing US ground troops with Syria’s “moderate rebels” like the Free Syrian Army because after all, they’re fighting the very same Iran-backed Shiite militias. So the US would be bolstering the militiamen in Iraq with Apache gunship support and then firing on those exact same militiamen across the border in Syria in support of the “moderate” rebels battling to oust the Assad regime.
It’s beyond absurd.
And then of course there’s the whole Kurd/Turkey problem. The US is, i) fighting alongside the Peshmerga in Iraq and intends to support them going forward with Apache helicopters, ii) paradropping guns and ammo to the YPG in Syria (as part of a ridiculous ruse that involves the largely made-up SAC mentioned above by WSJ), and now iii) may even send in ground troops to fight with the YPG. But Turkey just bombed the YPG yesterday. Additionally, the US is flying sorties from Incirlik which sets up the insanely ridiculous possibility that if the US embeds troops with the Syrian Kurds, US jets could be taking off from the same base as Turkish warplanes only the US warplanes would be supporting the YPG while Turkish warplanes bomb them.
So, yeah. This is should all go swimmingly.
Finally, there’s the possibility that if the US puts boots on the ground in Syria in support of the “moderate” rebels, those troops will be killed by Russia and Iran (which Dunford said on Tuesday likely has "more than 1,000 [soldiers] on the ground in Iraq [and] something less than 2,000 in Syria"), and with that, we close with several comments from Chairman of the Russian Upper House committee for foreign affairs, Konstantin Kosachev (via RT) and a few images:
Commenting on the potential involvement of US ground troops against ISIS in Iraq and Syria, Kosachev once again highlighted that, when it comes to Syria, the US-led anti-ISIS campaign is already violating international law. Potential troops on the ground, Kosachev believes, will further violate international regulations
“Any operations – air based operations, ground based operations – in Syria by American forces will be illegal,”Kosachev told RT, explaining that Washington has not been invited by Damascus to take part in military operation in a sovereign country.
“They will get trapped, they will get involved in this ongoing conflict and the consequences will be absolutely unpredictable,” Kosachev said, addicting that sending US troops into Syria would be a “big mistake.”
At the same time, Kosachev, stressed that Russia would not send ground troops into Syria.
“No ground operation is possible [in Syria], because that would inevitably involve Russia in the ongoing war,” the politician told RT.
"Only air strikes"?!
#RussianArmy column with Msta-B artillery passes #Latakia for the front.
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— Julian Röpcke (@JulianRoepcke) October 28, 2015
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Or Obama is just a self defeating dumbass, which is what all this looks like.
It's not about the pipeline. It's about maintaining dollar denominated oil markets. Then you can just print more oil.
Those words are blasphemy here. I mean, you're right, but this pipeline narrative is being rammed down the throat of anyone who reads zerohedge and it does everyone a disservice.
Is it PART of it? Maybe yeah. But when you get Wesley Clark talking years ago that the West had plans to invade a panoply of countries, Syria included, then you know the fix is in and a pipeline isn't THE reason for this shit. This shit started the same way they all do, fake deomstrations with death squads shooting protesters and police.
Plus one for panolopy.
she's one sexy mama.
I'm looking forward to the day I can stop looking up words I read here.
There is no single reason as there are multiple actors. US, Israel, Turkey, Saudi + GCC all have their own, possibly multiple, motives. The common denominator favoring Israel is destabilisation and depopulation of neighboring states.
Zionist Dominance of the area is the real reason; a pipeline would just be the icing on the cake!
No oil, no oil markets:
Genies and Genocide: Syria, Israel, Russia and Much OilFirst appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/26/genies-and-genocide-syria-israel-russia-and-much-oil-2/
When you backtrack on the principles which elected you, I'd say so.
Their is nothing going to stop this...this has been written down 1,000s of years ago that these events would happen.
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The whole focus is on the Middle East - soon all the nations of the world will be looking at Israel.
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This is not about money, oil, power, etc...
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It is straight up good vs. evil - battle of our souls.
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Time to make theStand
Yeah, but the NWO already has a lock on most peoples'. Once you've got people looking for a book or a messiah to save them, they're cut off from their own divinity, which is the only thing that can provide a positive spiritual result in a person's life. So it's little wonder that they're moving now. Win the battle, then fight it.
“Jerusalem is the dwelling place of many Archons.”
The archons...as described by John Lamb Lash, studier of the Dead Sea scrolls (at least, the ones they let us read)? As depicted by Cameron Day? As reported on by Laura Walker on 'Oracle Report?'
Their time in the sun is OVER. There are enough people awake to turn the tide now. Things are about to get REAL interesting...
As far as I can tell, this world is unsalvagable - and why would you want to salvage it? It was a stillborn thing to begin with.
Then she will pursue the gods of chaos, whom she created along with the prime parent. She will cast them down into the abyss. They will be obliterated because of their wickedness. For they will come to be like volcanoes and consume one another until they perish at the hand of the prime parent. When he has destroyed them, he will turn against himself and destroy himself until he ceases to exist.
Is Archons a euphemism for Jews?
Weasel word, IMO.
They bend their knees to them, in fact...and some supposedly control them, 'wearing' them like remote body suits. Or is that the Draco? This 3D/4D/5D stuff is confusing. Anyway, that's what that whack-job David Icke says...who, as time goes by, either I'm becoming just as whacked - or he is becoming less so.
Must be the drought.
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Learn the fucking difference and while you are at it realize that those stories are fantasies of sand dwelling donkey and camel fuckers that were dumber than dirt.
You subscribe to a dangerous myth, Mr. Blotto.
no - there was no mystical prophecy..
what you have is people with Stone Age consciousness who believe a book is magic, and are busy self-fulfilling the prophecies they think are inside.
Yup. The "book" is just being used to further/maintain/attain POWER.
Gott mit uns?
So you're saying I'm living during the times of Revelation? What an exciting time to be alive! Should I go long on Bibles?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for a minute.
Do you realize what Gazoo represents? It means your show is in the crapper and about to be canceled if you don't start giving people a reason to watch. Cousin Oliver on The Brady Bunch, for example.
Lost my train of thought. Oh yea. What if those stories that are 1000's of years old, are just stories?>
I keep wondering if my mind is slipping, as if I may have lost my mind.
Then I see the choices being made out of the whitehouse and the CIA; realizing, the contrast between an immortal group of cunts that knows nothing about how to eat a bag of dicks, and my worries about my own sanity are very far apart.
And by that I mean, I hope you fuckers know how to look this up.
Your fucking retarded. I can not believe anyone would be that fucking outright immoral and completely ignorant. You have put this country, nay, my country at risk of outright destruction because of your in ability to control yourselves and your allies.
You are horrible leaders. I hope you choke on that bag of dicks.
Well, it was nice knowing you all. Take care. Acceot Jesus as your savior and I'll see you in Heaven. 2016 begins the Tribulation.
clearly, israel is intent on protecting its interests, particularly the golan & its water, which is israel's main source, as well as the recently discovered oil. iran cannot be allowed to gain supremacy. bibi will not allow it. its minion will lose blood & treasure & shoot itself all to service its puppetmaster.
Every new days closes in on Bibi's options. Every new deal with other nations, and they are coming rapidly, builds Iran's credibility and standing the the world community. Every step toward a stronger alliance with Russia and China complicates life for Bibi, and makes any action he might consider against Iran more dangerous for Israel. Now, the the elimination of the sanctions puts a shield of acceptance by the rest of the world over Iran. Bibi is in a box of his own making that is getting smaller by the day, and Russia is giving him new problems to deal with. Kind of like Obama is in the same shrinking box. This is a dangerous game - a nuclear power boxing in 2 other nuclear powers. Where it leads is anyone's guess, but Russia is the only player who is within the rules of International Law. If it were me, I would be in the UN every day pounding this message home, forcing the media to cover the story. The PR for the U.S. and Israel is not good, but what do I know? I never was great at chess.
I like how you say interests, and not property.
They want to get rid of Assad because that is in Israeli interests.
Hezbollah defeated IDF
Assad, Hezbollah
That's the main reason that they're willing to have Syria imploded, pipeline or not. According to your kosher analysis, they're going to do what... build a pipeline with ISIS? Wrap your mind around this, Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) was not about the oil. That's why the US hasn't been getting it. The Left is full of kosher, flabby frauds like Michael Moore rolling around saying "No blood for oil." The Right is full of people like Ari "Jewish supremacist" Fleischer trotting out to the podium to talk about OIL.
How many times do you guys have to see this all play out before you learn to say the word Zionist?
Nobel Peace prize winner my ass.
How's that Hope and Change working out for you clowns so far . . . ?!!
The legacy of a dope
its not about a Qatari pipeline - a cover story.
it's {primarily, for the US Deep State} about Greater Israel and the Oded Yinon / PNAC line of plans.
http://bfy.tw/2VnO
Here we go......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/10/time-travel-is-no-l...
Before it's news?
Article from the right hand column.
Damn straight. Pipeline = Putin has dick over Europe anymore. That purplish goes in or Putin tell someone unopened what to do and when. That's why Putin is there, and why we are there.
Look at the gas companies who operate in Qatar.
ARE ILLEGAL! NOT IS!
What's next? Double negatives? Don't give the liberals any more excuses ZH!
This is what happens when butt kissing morons are in charge. I'm sure they need more money for these essential operations. Soon Mercedes will be their squad cars. It's a step up from vw.
"Obama's handlers must really want that Pipeline in syria "
Exactly! Let's see how many seconds it takes to go "off topic"...
Distraction in 5, 4, 3, 2....
Ah, there it is...good 'ole ideology...good guys...v. guys...
Oh, look how "Latina Lover" bumps the whole fucking page down...
I guess the truth cuts into his/her paycheck...
Off-topic? What do you think US and its allies are doing in Syria ?
....and you are trying to accomplish what?
Your trolling manual needs an update.
So let me explain to you that Assad was not persona non grata before he refused to sign up for the gas pipeline from Qatar (international companies operating there!) to the Mediterranean.
Apart from extra profits of course that pipeline is to undermine Russai's gas sales to the EU and ultimately Russia's livelihood. That will create plenty of cheap firesales of assets in Russia, for which the mega-corporations have hoarded cash in the Caymans for a while.
That's a development with several levels and stages, I hope you can follow that.
Mission creep is plunging us closer to the major war the MIC and the PTB are hoping for. These bastards won't be happy until we're all dead.
China just blinked, failed to live up to it's big talk, lost some credibility and lost face. Now other smaller countries will copy the actions of the US and will push China, possibly with US ships watching. And perhaps begin doing so in multiple locations.
Now it's Russia's turn. Where the US puts troops on the ground becomes a no go zone for Russia. The insurgents would be protected. The question is how close to US troops will Russia conduct missions, how willing is Russia to fly air craft around US air craft. And if Syrian/Iran/Hezbollah send troops to fight anywhere in the region then the US air force hits them. IF this is what happens Russia loses credibility, Putin loses face big time, other countries see that Russia still backs away and leaves the area when NATO arrives. So, it is a very real identity test for Russia/Putin - IF the US puts those troops on the ground.
Russia was not even bold enough to deliver the S-300 anti air missiles to Syria or Iran as legally required by the contract signed with those countries in 2007. Those missiles would have made Syria a no-fly zone for NATO/Israel. That was a tell that either Russia cannot find the fortitude to be bold and risk anything that hits NATO/Israel no matter of illegal actions by those nations. Or it tells you that Putin's goals are different than many have hoped.
Just like EUke. Putin is either afraid to act more boldly or his motives are different. Think how easily that killing of EUke's could have been stopped. But it was not.
There is no doubt China came out looking like Kim Jong Un in that last "confrontation". As far as Russia, 2007 was a long time ago and a lot's changed since then.
Lessee. More "boots on the ground" in Iraq (and even Syria??) & anti-tank TOWs entering the Syrian theater of ops
via SArabia. Seems someone going by the moniker of MadVladtheConqueringHero said as much several weeks ago.
Next, comes the CIA inserts w/ MANPADS. This is going to get real fun real quick. Russian a/c come crashing down w/
pilots captured by ISIS for fun and BBQ! Lick it up!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHN2m7LW0BM
Is it over? Can't the Chinese just sail some warships very close to an American island or shoreline and even the score?
yes , it is more than fucking obvious.
putin is sucking the west into the middle east and letting them hang themselves with their own rope.
he ALREADY HAS FUCKING NUKES and already has the naval base in latakia for his nuclear submarines to patrol the mediterranean.
the east is playing the long game against the west as it has no choice. the west is stronger economically , and that is what counts. the only way to win is to allow the west to waste every greater amounts of treasure to obtain ever fewer amounts of profiteable territory.
putin is not there to help syria, he is there TO OBSTRUCT THE PIPELINES FROM BEING BUILT. HE ONLY NEEDS TO PLAY DEFENSE AND SABOTAGE. THE KILLING OF SYRIANS AND REFUGEES TO EUROPE DOESN'T CONCERN HIM, AND IF ANYTHING IS JUST GOOD BECAUSE IT makes the west spend more money on taking care of newcomber refugees.
also, the war in syria is good practice for his iranian---hizbollah satraps on the ground and they will buy more weapons from his contractors. works well for everyone.
he has no interest in a short conflict or 'stopping' the u.s. dead in its tracks. he wants the maximum exhaustion of his enemy, which is a slow and grinding war.
sad but true TB...
Sadly I think this is so. And the people who need to pay attention are those who think they are Russia's allies. Russia sets them up, removal of chemical weapons - Russia consenting to sanctions against them - no fly zones agreed to by Russia - no S-300 - etc, and then they have a choice - abide by Russia to get some weapons to fight and maybe last longer or defy Russia and die sooner without supplies.
I think Putin does want the west coastal region of Syria. He may face pushes from the NW downward into that area.
Putin/Russia may miscalculate the number of games that the west can play to keep the dollar the reserve currency and how long those can continue. There will be many moves on various types and fronts (military, economic) to be played.
My God, man, have you not been paying attention to what happens when America comes to help it's friends?
It appears Russia already has what it wants most in Syria. All they need to do is keep Assad in power, and they will likely have that deal sealed in another few weeks. Iran has much control over Iraq now, and will probably tighten their grip in due time.
The Saudi's are the protector of the Petro Dollar, so far, but they are getting squeezed now, too. With the Houthis in Yemen poking them from their Southern flank, and Iran's huge influence over Iraq to their North, they may have to actually fight. Now somehow, I would have a hard time betting on that bunch of wealthy maniacs winning any kind of real war. The House of Saud is not exactly beloved by all their countrymen, most especially in the Shiite population who have faced discrimination from the Wahhabis there for decades. It is not a very stable country, especially with lowered income form oil sales, and more competition coming online from Iran
Does not matter what America does when it comes to "help", it does not change what Russia does when it comes to "help", now does it.
I do not know what you mean by "sealed". Assad is sealed in power now, legally. Does not matter how the election goes. Russia will have to bomb and Iran/Hezzabolah will have to fight for Assad to stay in power.
Iran has made progress but does not have control over most of Syria or Iraq either. IF the US puts boots on the ground then Iran will have to move away from that area as I do not think Russia will provide air support that close to the US troops. And the US will bomb the Iran troops.
So, why has Russia/Putin been so afraid to provide the S-350 to Syria/Iran and let them become move capable to control their sky's without Russia? Or rather, why is that against Russia's motives.
It seems the gung-ho AmeriKans (yeah there still are some of them, incredibly) are grasping at straws. Any small victory, however miniscule and insignificant, is being spun and desperately played up way beyond it's actual worth. China blinked rather than start WW3 - go ahead, take it as a W if it satisfies your ego. Whatever.
AmeriKa running over to Iraq and Syria to defend what many people in der US Homeland appear to be filthy, Capatagon-addled, headchopping, liver-eating terrorists (insurgents, you said) doesn't have much of a fan club except for Zbig and the other assholes worried about their terrorist "assets". I say, as an AmeriKan, FUCK THEM ALL. Let the Russians and the locals take out the trash. Years ago they told us Al-Qaeda attacked us, killed our civilians, killed our servicemen. Now they slap a different label on them and they are our friends? Bullshit.
If, if, if, if. If if's were horses, we could all ride.
Any way you try to spin it, Russia has forced the issue in Syria, and is about to do the same in Iraq. They just tossed a hot potato in Bibi's lap in the Golan Heights, and are the only one of the nuclear powers acting in the region with International Law on their side.
2 years ago, the U.S. had to back down over the Syrian false flag chemical weapons attacks when Russia stepped up and put their warships in the Med. We al saw who blinked.
As far as Ukraine goes, Russia took exactly what they wanted, and they have the rest of the country destabilized....not really a problem for them, but they are getting paid for their gas & oil pipeline shipments to and through Ukraine, courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer and guaranteed IMF loans. Ukraine is largely a basket case country, but if Russia wants more, they will take it and laugh at us. After all, do you think the American voter gives 2 shits about Ukraine. Going to war there would be political suicide.
Yes, we rode by and waved our peckers at the Chinese, and from my perspecive what they are doing with that land grab in the South CHINA Sea is wrong. On the other hand, do you think they will suddenly stop building these islands and change their policy? After all, it is the South CHINA Sea. This is just round one in a very long game.
Big powerful nation states have spheres of influence. Ukraine falls under Russia's, the south China Sea falls under China's, and ours is essentially the Western Hemisphere. In the ME, Russia and China are much more directly affected by what happens there than we are, as is Europe. All we are doing is screwing with things we should be leaving alone, and for the wrong reasons. Our natural ally in the ME should be Iran, not Saudi Arabia...and everyone knows where the real root of the ME problem lies, it's just forbidden to talk about it out loud.
Having the name of the country as part of the name of a body of water does not entitle that nation to that water.
Using your logic the Indian Ocean belongs to India.
They want control. The pipeline thing is a vast oversimplification.
p.s. Julian Röpcke, aka asshole breath. It should come as no surprise that Russia has a limited amount of ground assets present in Latakia, given that that is where their airbase is. If the Western backed terrorists who are the very same people who require a domestic police state weren't lobbing mortars in the direction of the Russian assets, they would not need ground assets or air ones for that matter.
When has the law ever prevented the US government from doing something it's determined to do?
moccasin, '...doing something it's determined...'
correction...'israel is determined to do.'
In a new world of constant tech-improved weaponry...what's a superpower's most important military asset?
ANSWER: the ability to 'prove-up' that weaponry.
Russia's in the game now, and suddenly the USA is BACK in Iraq, Afghanistan, et al
This is about 1 thing: LFTE...."live fire training exercises"
That's going to be this dickhead president's last screw job on the American people before he exits the WH (if he exits the WH)- a shooting war with Russia in the middle east. NO WAY you can put US troops right in the middle of a Russian-led offensive and not have the two of them eventually trip over eachother. It is inherently dangerous. Just watch this thing escalate from here.
All by design.
Fine. If Putin would simply bomb ISIS for once, we wouldn't have to do this.
Why do you want Putin bombing one of the CIA's assets?
You're just being paranoid. President Obama has a deep and lasting love for this country, and he is doing everything in his power to defend and protect the constitution. We should be praising Allah everyday that we have a man like him in the White house to look out for us.
Yeah, I know. I'm one of those "Conservative Terrorists" he mentions from time to time. This is probably all for the good of the nation but I can't see it past my hatred of him.
"Conservative Terrorist"? You?
Do you kill, threaten and terrorize people for the way they were born and/or raised? For the greater glory of a nation, genetic grouping and/or Deity?
Being angry about things does not suffice, you know? Terrorism means actions, whatever little bureaucratic weasels think
Not in America any more, Ghordo. I'm a terrorist because of what I believe, not what I do. If you dare think that entitement programs should be scaled back, for instantce, you are see as "threatening" people's existence that depend on those benefits. If you question government regulations (of any stripe) you're "threatening" those that are protected by those regulations.
So, by the current standard, I have threatened, terrorized and probably killed people by what I believe. They can and probably will slap me down hard for this eventually. It's really only a matter of time now.
If you question government regulations (of any stripe) you're "threatening" those that are protected by those regulations.
Hmmm, NoDebt, sounds like you suffer from Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) which means you are mentally ill ... so, no guns for you ... (unless you're a liberal) /sarc
The Soviets used to declare their opponents "mentally ill" - then institutionalize them and destroy their brains with drugs. They're creating the same framework here ....
in Europe we are getting a slightly different development, btw. the way it's going, soon symbols of violence will be seen as terrorism
so whoever comes to visit here, please be very careful with words like "hanging", "piano wire" or "cut heads". is that a nail-gun on your avatar?.... borderline
but only because the reference might be too obscure, here
Alfred Neuman is that you?
Lol...
Geez, Doc, did you spend a few days with the late and lamented MDB?
Does Iraq or Syria have any say in this?
yes. Like... "please tell us when all this kindness stops"
The bureaucrats at the UN look pretty silly but that's nothing new. USSA just hopscotches around the globe sending in "combat advisors" wherever it sees fit and we hear nothing from them.
Gotta start... WWIII... Somehow.... Somewhere...
WWIII started right after the Sochi olympics.
Just like WWII,we have just been in the"phoney war" stage uptil now.
Read your history, it sure does rythme.
WWIII started right after the Sochi olympics.
If you are Russian with stories like this how could it not???
Didn't know the diamond trade was doing so poorly that they needed to harvest organs from girls aged 11 - 16 after they've been brutally raped repeatedly by their kidnappers?!!!
If you're an American soldier after what you've already sucessfully done numerous times over the last 14 years you just might want to sit this one out cause it's not going to scare a Russian spetsnaz or paratrooper... It 's only going to piss them off and make your anus a whole lot larger than it currently is!
Friendly piece of advice No charge!
From your own article.
Stigma words aside, that's exactly what "fascist" thinking is. All it amounts to, is what are the actual reasons that people are acting like fascist groups again?
Your own article: "Our Volk..." "We will fight... because they're worse than us. Here's this rumor, told you so!"
And so on. Heck, it may be true. Maybe they have a natural right to act like "fascists."
I'm a so-called "truther" all the way through. So I would be a true fascist if someone did something to my people, my family. But it's totally silly and childish to use these kosher stigma words like "fascism" as if that has meaning. We are all fascists. When Jewish nationalists want to build an ethnic state for their own? "Fascists." When someone decides to fight to protect their children and community? More "fascism."
For me, it's about the truth. But if there is war or total fascism, then it all tends to get a little bit blurry. "Fascism!"
Gotta start... WWIII... Somehow.... Somewhere...
I just feel for the poor 'Murican saps on the ground - they're cannon fodder and they'd be idiots not to realize it. They are the "dumb animals" that the filthy Zionist Kissinger spoke of. I can see it now, the Ruskies toast a few dozen US soldiers while dusting some cIaSIS douchebag stronghold, and suddenly there's "outrage" in the Pentagon and State Department demanding retaliation .... It's sickening how easily the average American is fooled - because you know they're going to fall for it.....
Sly Stallone will be piloting the Apaches with a GoPro filming Rambo 3000.
Count the Trolls?
Put 'em in your pocket! They have multiple profiles to barf out responses that have little to do with topic or truth...
And they get paid...nice gig...if you like being a sell out to this country.
ZH Troll ratio.
80% Russian/Syrian/Iranian tolls
20% Dipshit Americans thinking 80% above are actual real American "patriots" and fall in with them.
20% actual people with a lick of snese that sees right through their bullshit.
Yes. I know that is more than 100% percent...
Can't forget the 1% total assholes.
Although I just like to think I am like hot sauce.
There might be a couple of trolls here, like real paid ones. Nowhere near what people may think.
It's like what I tell people who think the NSA/FBI/CIA are after them.
You ain't that important.
pods
Ok alpha, yer the enlightened one <ack>
majestic and alphahammer 100% american gov paid trolls
the langley losers are getting desperate...
...or perhaps it's just the latvian potato lovers.
Stuttering now, are we...
look at you... all fucking flustered and on the attack, all because i made a tongue-in-cheek comment about your double post above hah! pick your battles you fool.
Alpha - you left out the myriad Israel firster trolls - some of whom are not only bereft of the capacity for honest discussion, a job requirement, I'm sure - but are also batshit insane.
Like the one yesterday who claimed that the NY Times editorial board was one of the most anti-Israel on earth... right after not reading any of the few links provided which went to Times *reporting* and *clearly* shows bias and conflicts of interest.
But here's the thing - what's weird is you and Teh Finn and Danepol seem to mostly appear to call people "trolls" and to zealously and blindly defend Israel.
so there's this strange phenomenon on ZH - the anti-Russian trolls and the Zionist trolls are largely the same.
and they are rooting against Christian Orthodox Russia, and *for* Salafist terrorist ISIS and Al Qaeda.
Which is strange, until you consider one thing:
http://bfy.tw/2VnO
Then there us Alphahammer who wraps himself in the flag while drinking the kool aid. 90 % of Americans are propaganized, cable TV'd talk radio addicts who rarely read a history book, know jack shit about military, foreign policy, could not tell you who designed foreign policy the last 30 years, has no idea who designs US policy, military ir foreign, has forgotten Eisenhowers multiple warnings about miliary industrial complex, does not know what Washington Consensus, Wolfowitz doctrine, or PNAC is, has no idea about destabilization of countries by IMF, or what is laid out by war college and Pentahgon adviser Thomas Barnett in his Pentagon magnus opus, The Pentagons New Map, backed up by Gen. Wesley Clarks numerous statements about taking down 6 contries in 5 years, including Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraen and eventually Saudi Arabia..,Alpha proves the point, when you are wrong just attack using hyperbole and name calling. Alpha is really a 0 with pretentions
Ah, "Truth". Enlighten us, please, oh benevolent one.
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Three times now this Majestic12 in comments is sidetracking with complainings about comments sidetracking.
And asked what that is called? Trolling decided?
Dear God!
Do you honestly think anyone in their right fucking mind would pay anyone a singel red cent to comment on a website, let alone ZH??
You just forgot the /s tag right? You don't really believe people are paid to be trolls on ZH do you? You do???
*sigh*
And yes, even Russia.
Russians were invited by the legitimate government of Syria. US is illegally entering Syria to protect its ISIS terrorists from being annihilated by Russia.
There are no laws for the hegemon of this world. The Syrian conflict, modeled after the Libyan disaster, has already killed 300,000 and created more than 4 million refugees. An estimated 1,000,000 have been injured.
Forward - to more killing and more wars
Wait, Asswad "reached out" to all the refugees and asked if they would support him "inviting" Russia in?
Hey Einstein, the "Syrian people" are a hell of a lot more than just Asswad and his circle of thugs...
Yeah, cause governments all over reach out and ask every single person about any planned action.
pods
What's great about America is we do this for other countries. We asked everyone in Libya if they wanted their country to turn into an ever bigger bombed out shit hole and they all were emphatic with their yes, please!
America, giving the people what they want, explosions.
You can't argue with stupid
This is ZH so....
Russian bombing is good. Putin is a humanitarian savior. Russian ground troops good.
I mean of course it is cause look who founded this site. I come here to get my daily dose of Kremlin propaganda. Don't get me wrong, the US middle east policy is fucking insanity, but two wrongs don't make a right.
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Hint helpful on geography: Kremlin is not in Sofia.
On US middle east policy, more accurate saying three dozens wrongs do not make a right.
"Russian bombing is good. Putin is a humanitarian savior. Russian ground troops good"
Exactly right. And if the saintly and oh so holy Americans weren't such rags of cunt, they would be joining them in wiping out these terrorists shitbags, instead of crying about it.
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Russians invited by whom???? And who is annihilated by russi? Are you ok, buddy? 30 planes doing what? Hey, turn off RT they feed you only junk.
Butthurt Romanian continues on the same rake stepping...
Russians invited by whom???? And who is annihilated by russi? Are you ok, buddy? 30 planes doing what? Hey, turn off RT they feed you only junk.
Invited by the government of Syria.
30 planes can do an incredible amount of damage.
Given the nature of the enemy, 3 planes could be devastating.
I no longer have ANY idea what the hell is going on in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc. The inmates have obviously overtaken the institution.
Wow all kinds of games of chicken this week: Spratleys and now Syrian boots on the ground. Good luck with that strategy Peace Prize.
Oh and btw, come claim the dead bodies of your Special Forces troops killed with Daesh bug splat. Assad has them cooling on ice waiting for you to come and get 'em
Who invited us there? The Syrian Rebels?
Ok...so now, using past history as analogy, we are fighting on the side of the Viet Cong and Sandinistas.
How fucked up is this?
"Who invited us there? The Syrian Rebels?"
There are no "Syrian Rebels"...only paid mercenaries working for the US, paid by the CIA and Embassies....hello?
"Ok...so now, using past history as analogy, we are fighting on the side of the Viet Cong and Sandinistas."
No. Using past history as analogy, you are fighting on the side of Castillo Armas and the Shah of Iran.
In other terms, as always, you are trying to topple an elected leader.
How fucked up are you not to understand this?
Which happens first, WW3 the big distraction, or economic collapse?
BOTH!
Yes.
first ? A false flag to bring them all, and in the media darkness bind them...
When was the last US war not involving a false flag ?
Serbia?
Great. Another Land War.
Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha.
You forgot "Never march on Moscow".
That comes later, once winter sets in.
Poland did it twice. Torched it and went home.
Must have been in the days before those running the country got the retard DNA.
I'm starting to think there is no grand conspiracy here. Just a narcissistic President who can't stand being made a fool of (easy as that is). Putin really made him look a fool over Syria and he can't stand it. Add this to the ISIS "hostage rescue" and his chest puffery over China's island, and this looks like nothing more than a knee jerk reaction to show how "tough" he is.
Good one, Mutton.
False flag coming. Probably a few US fighters.
They need a cover for the next economic implosion (remember they're out of tools to "fix" anything). So far Vlad and Xi haven't been obliging. I'd imagine Vlad is utterly dumbfounded by the Washington idiots and their unbelievable zeal for conflict. Not sure I'm looking forward to our nation having missiles fired at it. Hope patriots are ready to round up these criminals (in Washington Wal ST and Main St) after they've helped destroy what once was a fairly decent nation.
must...have...last...barrel...of...........oil
Obama's handlers are just toadies for the Zio/Rothschild cabal; and yes they want the pipeline to ensure future energy for their London HQ so they are not dependent on the Russkies. They hate the Russkies because, back in the 11th Century, the antecedents of the Rothschilds were almost totally genocided by the Russians; only the few elite were able to escape, adopted Judaism and set up shop in the Jewish ghettoes in Europe, became moneychangers and put the Red Shield on their office fronts. Just as little historical background.
Can you privide any sort of link/evidence for the idea that the Rothschilds converted to Judaism in the 11th century and were almost genocided by the Russians
[sounds like the khazar theory - which has been *proven* wrong to the extent that matrilineally - Ashkenazi Jews are European, not Turkic/Mongolic]
The Jews were money-lending, you know, before Christ.
Jewish religious writings which certainly predate any "Church" prohibitions on Jewish occupations SPECIFICALLY talk about lending at interest only to non-Jews.
To be clear - I'm saying the "rothschilds" appear to be shrouded in the sorts of mystery and evidence-less assertions as any Emmanuel Goldstein type figure, I'm saying that genetic studies have proven, absolutely, that Ashkenazi Jews descend from European women, not turkic or mongolian ones, and I'm saying Jewish moneylending preceded Christ and did not arise out of the inky void suddenly in the early medieval era.
So far as I know, I'm right. Happy to be schooled otherwise, however.
That's a bullshit story. Their roots are in the middle East .H In many of the families the blood has been thinned out through breading with local stock but you look their faces and can see the features.
Most European can anyway. Might be more difficult for Americans because the US is not homogeneous so itbos a completely different perspective. Add in Hollywood and their stars many of whom are Jews but play other nationalities.
Interesting that Putin quickly turned the Syria situation from a proxy war into a potential direct U.S.-Russia conflict - when he put the Russian military directly into Syria.
What's a superpower in steep decline gonna do? Leave Russia's ballsey moves unanswered? Of course not!
Send in the troops! Send in the choppers! Send in the heavy weaponry!
So this is very quickly becoming that direct U.S.-Russia war we've all speculated would happen - and this time Russia has less to lose and a tremendous amount to gain.
Will China (which right now has BB's for balls) step into the fray at some point at Russia's side? Could be, especially if things start to spin out of control and engulf Saudi Arabia.
"when he put the Russian military directly into Syria." YES, at the request of the legally elected government and its president. And the US? Care to post a copy of the invitation?
In the famouss quote by Aristotle:
"Who gives a Shit!".
They are going to do what they want to do, and we get to watch.
Love it when we are SO BOLD AFTER Fktard Sotero makes our military look like Latvias.
Haven't the Russians learned by now that international law doesn't apply to the US? The US only applies it to others.
Send the US the relevant texts, receive them back covered in rectally processed pink slime turned brown and stinky.
Russia and "International law" should never be used in the same sentence.
The Russians have no fucking clue what that means. None.
fuck off troll
Remind me again how many countries the U.S has invaded or bombed over the past 70 years.
Remind me again how many countries the U.S has liberated over the past 70 years.
There, fixed it for the trolls
Liberated, yeah that's a good one. Why don't we ask some of these middle eastern countries how liberated they feel.
You mean like liberated from their body parts? That would be about it.
Liberated from their oil?
The "Donald Duck" Aegis destroyer incident in the Black Sea involving Russia was a US violation of a signed treaty. But there are dozens of examples. Want to know how well the US sticks to treaties? Lets start at the beginning: Just visit any Native Indian reservation in the states. They'll let you know how well the treaties were honored.
Just ask our Indians.
If you're American, I am embarrassed for us both.
Just watch CNN, NBC and FOX do their finest work when that first U.S. F-15 pilot "buys it"!...
Nothing moar nothing less than sacrificial PR to gin up support for the lemmings to volunteer! And when this doesn't work which it will not a Draft from the open door be a comin!!!
Waa Waa
So lets see Pooty try and bomb "rebels" backed up Apache attack helicopters.
I thought Putin was a fucking chess player? Lol...
Silver lining is maybe Putin will FINALLY / ACTUALLY start to bomb ISIS instead?
putler doesn't have any card, he is bluffing. 30 airplanes and 1500 soldier dont count shit in syria. Look at facts: nothing has changed on the ground, syrian army is not progressing at all and isis is actually gaining space.
Russia is warning?? ha,ha,ha, and who cares?!
apparently lots and lots of foreign mercenaries who weere just there for the money care...
because per Syrian, Iraqi, Russian, and Iranian and even European news - they are and have been running.
Who said ISIS is gaining- the same people who said Russia invaded Ukraine with armor on 6 different occasions, or that they had bombed civilians, using photos from days earlier?
You also seem to be forgetting that they've already demonstrated that they can do more damage in 20 minutes FROM THE CASPIAN SEA than the US did in 18 months.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/12/us-caught-faking-it-in-syria/
ha ha indeed, asshole.
http://bfy.tw/2VnO
Butthurt Romainian has an orgasm when he writes "Putler" etc.
If someone is not clear, that is a clinical moron.
ISIS is gaining space? HAHAHAHA you lying tub of shit, just making shit up...so desperate and transparent
the only thing gaining space is the nothing between your ears
Russian helicopters outclass the Apaches. I worry for the Apache pilots and the crews. The Russians invented helicopters, you ninny. The only thing you have going for the Apaches is Russian restraint. Besides, that's a racist name for those helicopters. Perhaps rename them "Whirlybows".
the hewbrew hammer is a terrorist kissing fucknut, just like the president Barack Count Nigula