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The 'Bernwashing' Of America
Submitted by Chris Campbell via lfb.org,
#Feelthebern…
If you use any form of social media, and have any friends or followers at all, you’ve undoubtedly come across the hashtag.
And you also undoubtedly feel the ‘bern’ of yet another fellow American falling… yet again… for the socialist trap.
And here are some scary numbers to chew on this fine Monday afternoon…
According to social media analytics firm RiteTag, #Feelthebern is tweeted 625 times per hour.
With that, it’s getting 2.11 million views and being shared 883 times…
Yes… PER HOUR!
Also according to RiteTag, some of the latest pictures shared are…
Let’s face it. Bernie Sanders is ‘hot right now.’
And here’s the thing…
We don’t disagree with him on everything. In fact, here are just a few things we can say, from a 10,000 foot view, we agree with…
- Get big money out of politics.
- Create decent paying jobs.
- Care for our veterans.
- End the drug war.
- And on…
But how he plans to do it, of course, is what we absolutely, unequivocally, without a single shred of doubt… completely… disagree with.
He’s a one-trick pony. His only solution is to redistribute wealth. Which, if history is any guide, doesn’t work.
Alas, some are doomed to repeat humanity’s mistakes. And they think that it makes perfect sense. Especially the majority of the millennials, who, caught in a trap of student debt, wish someone would wave a magic wand and make it all go away.
I know many of these people. And have heard many of them, on many different occasions, tell me that they don’t plan to ever pay off their debt. Their plan is to just let it fester until it’s absolved.
Seriously.
Apparently, enough millennials rubbed the lamp and… miraculously… out popped Uncle Bernie, here to soothe all their ills with free stuff.
Oh, wait. There he is now, on his white unicorn…
How will you do it, Bernie?
Raise the taxes.
But just on the rich, right?
No.
Wait… what?
What most bernwashed Americans don’t get is it’s not the super rich who are going to #feelthebern… it’s them.
Everyone… we repeat… everyone is going to get taxed to death so that our government can waste more of our money on waging wars, spying on its citizens, militarizing our law enforcement, secretly running civil disobedience trainings on our soil, and making sure that this country falls to its knees and stays there.
In the meantime, all the services that Bern is offering for free might become free — but they will also continue to degrade. And they will quickly become completely irrelevant in our society. A big waste of resources and time.
We can already see it happening in regards to healthcare and education.
Many think Sanders is somehow ‘new,’ and ‘edgy,’ and he’s on the fringe.
When, in reality, he’s just spouting the same old [expletive deleted] that governments have always promised when a charismatic leader steps up in a time of crisis.
Bigger government. Bigger government. Bigger government.
If that mantra doesn’t keep you up at night, you need a little dose liberty in your life.
Or maybe a whole lot. But that’s up to you to figure out.
To help, we’ve invited Paul Kahn from Your Life Your Liberty...
Read on…
Hey, Bernie! Look Up!!!
By Paul Kahn
Bernie Sanders supporters seem to be everywhere. Many of his supporters are intelligent people who are sick of the corruption and greed they are seeing and know something needs to change.
Understandably, they like him because he is one of the few politicians that actually talks about it. And he is right. Well, HALF right.
One cannot lay the blame solely on the corporations or the people who run them. The government is the institution that actually EMPOWERS them. As government grows and continues to expand with more and more power over our lives, so grows the opportunity for large corporations to petition government, which only further expands the ultra-wealthy’s power, control, and influence.
There is a renewed interest in socialism in this country, as if putting the word “democratic” in front of it makes it somehow unique. No matter how it is wrapped, socialism is still the belief that we can raise people out of poverty by taking money out of the hands of those who have learned how to produce.
And it has never worked.
Yes many of the people in the Nordic countries say they are happier, but it’s not because of socialism.
- Denmark ranks higher than the US in business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, property freedom and freedom from corruption.
- Finland ranks higher than the US in business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, fiscal freedom, property freedom and freedom from corruption.
- Norway ranks higher than the US in trade freedom, property freedom and freedom from corruption.
- Sweden ranks higher than the US in business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, property freedom and freedom from corruption.
Taking money away from people who have figured out a way to produce a viable good or service and then giving the money to people who will do nothing but spend it, does not and can never, create economic growth and prosperity.
Savings and investment drive production and production is what drives consumption. Real economic growth involves people taking on risk and actually creating something productive.
Taking money from one hand and putting it in the other does absolutely nothing to grow the economy — it is simply moving the same money around.
These ideas are completely flawed and unsound.
The idea that there is only a certain amount of money to go around and we need someone to re-distribute it so it is more evenly dispersed is totally misguided. If there is only one fixed amount of money to go around, then how did we go from about 3 million people since our country was founded in 1776, to 300 million?
True capitalism (what we have now is a far cry from it) produces real economic growth and the most amount of prosperity for the greatest number of people. It doesn’t come from some command and control bureaucracy that steals the money from society’s producers and then re-distributes the goodies to the rest.
Socialism always fails because at some point people realize they don’t have to work as hard to get the same amount of stuff. It takes all the incentive away to really succeed.
49% of Democrats now have a favorable view towards socialism. This is scary. And sad. All of the economic and productivity advancements we have seen are all the result of someone being willing to take risks. ‘Oh no,’ you say, ‘we only want to steal money from the “rich”. Really?
Take a look at how we live in this country compared to the rest of the world. To them, we are ALL rich! Is it ok for other, more impoverished countries to steal 90% of our wealth so we are forced to pay OUR “fair share”?
What does it really mean to say that some people should pay 90% tax? It means you believe that it is acceptable for the government to take 90% of everything you earn.
‘No, but we are only punishing the super rich — the people making millions every year!‘
Wrong again.
The super rich have dozens of tax attorneys and financial planners that make sure that their wealth is hidden. They don’t show their money through the income tax.
Most of the money they earn is a result of tax free municipal bonds and other investments as a way to shelter the money from taxation. Income taxes don’t reach the super rich because they don’t earn their money in income.
So who does it really hurt?
It hurts the people who are running small businesses who are trying to grow it, so they can employ more people. A successful small business owner may report $200,000 profit on his income taxes and he is considered “rich,” as he is in the top percentile. After all the risk he has taken on, all the debt, all the people he employs (including the contractors he paid to get to where he is) he finally starts to reap the rewards of his years of dedication, effort and hard work and now we should punish him for his success? When we take the majority of his income away, he now has less money to re-invest in his business.
That means his business doesn’t grow or takes much longer to grow, which means it takes that much longer for him to hire more people. He is less productive and we are making it harder for him to succeed. He makes good money, but it’s not enough to have a team of tax attorneys and multiple tax shelters like the big boys controlling the politicians. These policies are therefore actually protecting the super rich, as they make it more difficult for the small business owner to become really rich themselves — it prevents competition.
Those at the top also get the government to work for them by passing legislation to keep out competitors. They don’t just do this through lobbyists. They do it by getting top executives into government itself!
Case in point: Monsanto.
The former Monsanto vice president, Michael R. Taylor is now running the FDA. Taylor spent years lobbying for the GMO Foods giant. The commissioner position he now holds at the FDA, affords Taylor the ability to sign off of any cancer-causing, harmful agent produced by Monsanto. In this way, no more expensive lobbyists are needed and one doesn’t need money to influence the legislators, because they ARE now the legislator!
Whoever wins the next election is meaningless because Monsanto’s interests will be served.
Today, we live in an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests; a merger of state and corporate power if you will. The original point behind government providing a watchdog over industry — was to keep the playing fields equal — between players and owners.
Those days are long gone. Government is now part of most industries and those industries are part of government. As the federal government has progressively become larger over the decades, every significant introduction of government regulation, taxation, and spending has been to the benefit of some big business.
It used to be against the law for a corporation to contribute to a political party. Now these corporations spend more on lobbyists than they pay in taxes. We now live in a system where corporations can legally purchase politicians through unlimited, undisclosed campaign donations.
Giant corporations and the wealthy elite rule in a way to satisfy their own self-interest. It is in the interest of the ruling class to maintain the appearance that the people have a say, so more than one candidate is offered up. It’s in the interest of corporations and the wealthy elite that the winning candidate is beholden to them, so they financially support both Democrats and Republicans.
Look at the list of the top donors to both political campaigns and it’s virtually the same donors. It’s in the interest of corporations and the wealthy elite that there are only two viable parties—this cuts down on bribery costs.
And it’s in the interest of these two parties that they are the only parties with a chance of winning.
The corporations and the wealthy elite directly and indirectly finance candidates, who are then indebted to them. As in the case of the example with Monsanto, it is common for these indebted government officials to appoint to key decision-making roles those friendly to corporations, including executives from these corporations.
And it’s routine for high-level government officials to be rewarded with high-paying industry positions when they exit government. It’s common and routine for former government officials to be given high-paying lobbying jobs so as to use their relationships with current government officials to ensure that corporate interests will be taken care of.
The United States is not ruled by a single deranged dictator but by an impersonal corporatocracy.
Thus, there is no one tyrant that Americans can first hate and then finally overthrow so as to end senseless wars and economic injustices. Revolutions against Qaddafi-type tyrants require enormous physical courage. We all need to wake up and see that we Americans have neither a democracy nor a republic and are in fact ruled by a partnership of “too-big-to-fail” corporations, the extremely wealthy elite and corporate-collaborator government officials.
Americans must surgically remove the corporate cancer from government through direct action like voting out the statists and cultivating new leaders from within the movement.
If we want to solve the issues of corruption, we must start at the source by electing representatives who will reduce the size, scope and power of the functions of government.
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Arab Spring. Economic migrancy. Uncertainty at the ballot box.
Hear that? It's the wind of change.
All I hear is someone blowing it out der ass.
Set aside fallacies, half truths and innuendos in the post one thing we must understand. For those terms, socialism, capitalism, have been overused, misused and abused for political and propaganda reasons.
The key to understanding of the issue is a fact that every economic/social system existing in the world is imposed by the ruling elites currently in charge for the sole purpose to immediately benefit them and hence in the US "capitalism" of today and "capitalism" from 50 years ago are two irreconcilable entities under the same name. The same was with socialism. The power elites set up the economic/social system whether it is feudalism, capitalism or socialism or communism, it means nothing just a name rulers use to entice the population to submit to their rule. You want socialism, yes they are socialists if you want capitalism, yes they are capitalists as long as you let them rob you blind.
I found a brief description of the issue of fallacy of the name calling at:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/2015/01/06/pools-and-propaganda-...
well said.
I fear that the label often stops the thinking, and people end up voting for the people who are likely to hurt them most.
For example, the Canadian running for president is borderline insane in his gratuitous fawning over Israel and its lobby..
I don't want a president who will obey Likud and AIPAC and keep writing blank checks as - yes, our roads and bridges suck, etc. etc. or just think of the much better domestic uses you'd pick...
Why is he better for me, or the country than Sanders, who as President, can hardly wave a wand and create Bolshevik russia.
One wonders how much people actually understand what the President can and can not do. He isn't King of the Legislators.
And as a few, at least, even here have noted - a GOP Congress having to deal with a fucking actual socialist president? They would be prevented from being as harmful as they would otherwise be.
congress doing less is a lot better in my book, than a "capitalist" more-of-the-same warmonger and puppet of wall street.
In fact - *this* particular argument, the argument from blocking things up, strikes me as a pretty good reason to vote for Sanders over any GOP candidate except *possibly* Trump - who I tend to think is fairly stupid, but he seems a lot better than the rest of the GOP field, for sure.
Good one. Today capalist is the offsrping of the previous one : capitalism is evolving like feodality in europe from the fall of the roman empire. But the current horror unfortuntely had to happen...
Here's the thing though - it hasn't been socialists fucking me the past 30 years.
I'm not voting for Sanders, either, but it seems to me an awful lot of people are laboring under the misconception that Sanders as President is somehow substantially worse for them than a Clinton or Cruz.
Hardly.
Although - one's perspective here, outside the economic, might have something to do with whether you or a loved one stand a chance of being deployed to some rat's nest so Cheney et al. can make another 50 million.
I'm not against people being against Socialism, not at all - my objection is more, if you'll allow me, "philosophical" - people who think the word "socialism" proves their argument.
I think this because I've heard over and over from friends and family, mostly typical NE Democrats/statists/nominal progressives - that a libertarian point of view is "selfish"....
the thinking stops at a word... like once someone says that's "racist" or "commie" the argument is over. It isn't.
We could certainly tax the rich more. Or more precisely, more effectively. I'm sure most people here labor under the misconception that the 1% pay a higher rate than you.
Sanders scares *me* most on his fast and loose interpretation of the Constitution. He wants to "overrule" the rightly decided Citizens United case, which would be a neat trick, because he thinks "corporate" {not oligarchs?} money {but not union money??} is corrupting - as it probably is...
but be that as it may, anyone who is in favor of the government fining or jailing people who make movies just because they formed an LLC to do it is both stupid and dangerous in my book.
Sanders isn't the worst candidate - and if you think he is because he's a "socialist" maybe you ought to look where Uncle Scam is spending your money... and consider just who has been assaulting your civil liberties and burying you in debt.
It wasnt socialists.
State is the result of the implosion of the primordial community which lived all over the world through the apparition of exchange and so money.
No political system and states will probably also disappear in the next century or so on the technological pressure. With it taxes will finally disappear after this 5000 years "error" !
Unfortunately, you are almost certainly wrong.
People learn to love their chains.
Of course but that could well change not because they want to be "free" but because it will be revolt or die.
Money powers after having grown along religion, family and nations during more than 500 years (from the 13th century in europe) have destroyed the first, the second is in bad shape and the time of the third is coming (NWO also "requested" by Xi of China).
As robotization and technology will continue to improve, most of humanity will prove to be useless (and expensive) : at that time maybe some (if so surely in PIGS first) that enough is enough !
Here's the thing though - it hasn't been socialists fucking me the past 30 years.
No, the socialists have been fucking you for 102 years.
The Ten Planks of the
Communist Manifesto
1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Since when is putting an end to corruption described as "free shit"?.
Jeremy Corbyn has the establishment running scared.
Impossible, ne politics can control the world of money anymore : the 13th/19th century is over.
All forms of government fail at some point for the same reasons; those who get in power are easily bribed to do the will of a few who are full of corruption. Both are corrupt, liars & murderers because they are of Satan's family.
Also, there is never the, much needed, distinction between the income wealthy, those demonized (although they actually work) and the asset wealthy, those who do not pay taxes. Most people like to demonize someone they perceive as having more material wealth and privilege than they do. Both are alike and both will answer to God because both are sinners in the hands of an angry God.
Recipie for the corporate networks (and ZH) up until about 2 months ago: ignore Bernie.
Formula now that it's clear it's not working: say a bunch of stupid stuff based on theory, economic models and moralizing.
Formula next month when that doesn't work: just make shit up and repeat it 24-7.
I honestly had come to expect more from ZH. But Bernie is a threat to their money, so ...
From what I've seen so far, the reason most people support Bernie Sanders is because they seem to have the belief he's going to put some criminals who have been walking around free in prison.
Good old jews will always have someone ready to play the other side. Like an ethnic hedge.
end the jewUSURy and level the playing field btw the 99% and the 1%
Hey, the don got a $1M dad gift (then likely much more). We can all be producers if we start off with a nice buffer. I do not mind a little redistribution from banksters and other illegites.
I loved Bernie when he first came out, anti-establishment, throwing punches left and right. The problem is all the "Free" Stuff, I just cant.
GO TRUMP! KICK ALL OF THEIR F-IN ASSES!
I am not with you, but I can see you from where I am now, if you take my meaning.
"GO TRUMP! KICK ALL OF THEIR F-IN ASSES!"
Trump is also a socialist were GOP "wolf" clothing:
1. Supports Single Payer Healthcare (said in several interviews in 2015)
2. Supports Gun Control (stated on many occations before running)
3. is a NBC employee. The GOP are now apart of "reality" TV, substituting "The Apprentice" with "The Candidate". The questions are designed for entertainment to get all of the candidates fighting among themselves and avoid discussing the real problems.
4. Trump is probably shackled to the bankers worse than any other candidate, since he has billions in loans that could be suddenly recalled if the bankers don't like Trumps policies. Trump has lots and lots of failing business and needs banker support to avoid ending up on skid row
5. You cant spell "narcissism" without "Trump". He is even more of a Narcist than Barry! Trump that!
FWIW: Rand or even Carson would make far better president. Both support Libertian views and neigther have ties to the banking system. Although Carson also is a gun control supporter. Of course I realize either candidate is a pipe dream. At this time, my money is on Sanders winning by a large margin.
I think many could be afraid if Ichan and Trump hook-up. It could be good.
Well thats just it, you cant have it all these days, Trump is in the least a fighter, I could see a guy like him and a guy like Ichan who is up Wall streets ass on a normal week actually getting things done? I think Trump could hold his own. I think his heart is in it. I could be wrong, but he is out there hustling votes, so the proof is in the pudding. I never really was crazy about Trump, but I could go with him as a president.
Its a pretty narrow field for independents like myself.
Didnt he just say he carries? I dont think he is a threat to guns, Ill never say Im 100% sure about anything these days.
I keep an open mind to Rand, I do identify strongly with libertarian values but with a little structure. I cant go any main stream, I like what I hear out of Christie. There is no simple answer if you really want some change. What choices do I really have? Cant do Bush or Hillary? Im not a Cruz fan but last night he hit the nail on the head when he went after the hosts.
A few of them have come out against weed too and I cant go there, please understand, I wish I could. I do think anyone who wants to work for an education should be able to get one without going into debt, provided they perform for it, opening up opportunities like that would more than pay for themselves.
I can't imagine how Bernie won't win in 2016. He promises something for everyone except for the minority that are producers:
1. Young People: Free College. Forgiving on Student Debt
2 Old People Bigger & better Entitlements
3. Poor: bigger and better Wealthfare
Only a small majority left that see the problems with the next "great society" program.
As far as the GOP, Ha! Its a f*cking clown circus. The media has turned the GOP debates in to freak show!
At this point I have little skin left in the game. There will be no point for me to continue to work after Benie takes over in 2017. I'll let the Joe and Jane Six Pack fight over the french fries left in the mud.
Yeah but what does he offer the millions of American workers who consistently vote against their own interests for a party that only serves their corporate masters, in exchange for a sixpack and a patriotic buzz?
"Yeah but what does he offer the millions of American workers who"
Promises are easy, delivering them is a completely different issue when it comes to politics. People, especially americans lack any critical thinking skills need to "connect the dots".
we are not even .0000000001% different from any of the idiots in the old USSR, or in North Korea today. you cannot possibly mean of this. it's all top to bottom total jibberish and nonsense.
No very different : most of them were not naive from 1918 is USSR.
The most absurd thing is the notion that Sanders is looking to 'redistribute' *your* money... what in the name of holy fuck do you think your government has been doing to you your whole life? You'd really rather continue spending half the treasury's nut on needless wars that enrich the MIC than tax Bill Gates slightly more to help pay down the debt or put a roof on a school - really? Dont get me wrong the free college shit is stupid, as stupid as deporting 20 million mexicans, but even so - all these people say dumb shit. I have news for you Ayn Rand is the bestest Breitbart types - you've been getting fucked, good and hard, by capitalists, by red team and blue team. I'm not even saying vote for Sanders - I'm saying the idea he is worse for you than the SameOldShit GOP options is fucking preposterous.
Bernie Sanders is the poter cbild for the failure that is socialism. Taking money from people who work to produce it in in order to give it to people who will just spend it is a net drain on the economy. Once you calculate in the overhead of the bureaucracy used to carry out the redistribution and the consumption taxes taken from the retailers and the net negative impact gets even worse. Sanders rails about big businesses but ignores the fact that it is the government he wants to expand is what facilitates it corruption. Socialism fails where ever it has been tried. Once individuals reasize that hard word creates no appreciable material gain over the efforts of the slothful then the incentive for hard work disappears along with its added productive gains. This then becomes what was the lament of the Soviet factory worker. &They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work.&
You can't increase revenue by increasing income taxes because the ones who hold most of the money don't earn it as income.
Right there is the core issue.
I want Wall Street closed and I don't give a shit about investment income. Raise the capital gains tax to 90% and let the parasites leave.
The USA, even with a 90% capital gains tax, would still be the most corrupt nation on Earth. So they'd stay and still take the money they didn't earn.
What alternative do they have? Work for a living?
Blankfein probably can't even replace the batteries in his wife's dildo.
They threatened to leave the country before if the taxes were raised... but nobody did.
Spinal Tap - Gimme some money.
Stop wasting my time. You know what I want. You know what I need. Or maybe you don't.
Do I have to come right flat out and tell you everything? Gimme some money, gimme some money.
I'm nobody's fool. I'm nobody's clown. I'm treating you cool. I'm putting you down. But baby I don't intend to leave empty handed.
Gimme some money, gimme some money. Gimme some money, gimme some money
Don't get me wrong (Gimme some money). Try getting me right (Gimme some money)
Your face is OK. But your purse is too tight (Gimme some money, gimme some money)
I'm looking for pound notes, loose change, bad checks, anything
Gimme some money, gimme some money...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKPCtmaMl78
Bernie is the designated shill, to make the coronation of Hillary look like a democratic exercise. Keep the moonbat base distracted by the little birdie in the run-up to the convention, that's the ticket. Proof positive is the pass he handed her on the email scandal. If he were for real, he would have gone for her throat.
"Only a large-scale popular movement toward decentralization and self-help can arrest the present tendency toward statism. At present there is no sign that such a movement will take place." - Aldous Huxley.
Dig that proggies, and other assorted useful idiots? Decentralization reduces the value of political corruption. Now, serving the same shit, only more steaming heaping helpings, as in Bernie's case, is not a mentally coherent approach to solving our problems. Obviously, not much has changed inside the "proggie mind" since at least 1947.
And of course it is the FED that enabled the government to grow so big by financing deficits. If Bernie is for ending the FED then I might vote...for him.
OK, ok. Now as a capitalist here is when I have problems, not with Sanders.
If when we talk about the 1% as the part of the population that is "producing" I would strongly disagree with this article.
The financialization of the economy has created a small group of people capable of making money, yes, but that doesn't mean that these people are actually producing jackshit. This is the core of our problems. The ability to make money through speculation and transaction that do not add any value to the economy is just like printing money. Now simply printing money does not make the economy wealthier.
Due to the fact that money is how we allocate the wealth of the system, both printing money and speculating lead to the same result... modifying the way we allocate the wealth of the system... as simple as that. It is the main reason why the rich get richer...
Now, please listen carefully. I am not saying that financial transactions are bad per se'. If they are implemented within a framework of a healthy economy they can actually leverage the money supply that can be used to create real growth in the economy.
However... in a disfunctional system like the one that we have inherited... they are a deadly virus that accellerates the death of the economy.
So... be careful when we are talking about distributing "what" to "whom".
Right now financial speculation is a legal way of stealing resources acting on the allocation (redistribution) of wealth. So we are already in a situation that is "stealing something from somebody else" in the worst & most destructive way...
Bernie in stealing or redistributing would be a beginner compared to the professionals of Wall Street that have been doing it for years.
When buying and selling money itself is the primary economic activity in a society, the whole thing is going to fall apart. This is end-stage capitalism. I'd say the name of the economist who first figured this out, but it's a swear-word in America. That guy was an absolutely terrible political philosopher, but he has so far done a better job than anyone else describing how capitalism works and how its fundamental internal contradictions would play themselves out.
His philosophy was defective, period. Hence, anything else that he huckstered on that philosophical basis also has loose screws. Ah yes, prog wistfulness for their patron saints. No matter, whatever "it" is, "it" certainly isn't capitalism. I don't see any competition for example, particularly when it comes to money. If there were genuine free markets, I'd be at liberty to issue my own. So could anyone else. All I see are garchs, their symbiont progs, and the monopoly money both conveniently use to maintain their relationship and their control. And not one sane in the lot.
What are you guys, third graders? There's no pure socialism or capitalism (well maybe North Korea). Socialism without capitalism is called communism, which is a horrible failure. Capitalism without socialism is called fascism, which is what we are headed towards today.
Fascism is a variant of Socialism .... Germany and Russia in WWII were the battling socialist tyrant-a-sauras rex's .... communism is fascism after all traces of capitalism have been eliminated .... except for farmers markets and swap meets ?
So wrong, read your history. It was always the Fascists versus the Socialists in both real battles and ideological ones. They are the two opposing sides of the statist spectrum. Hitler and Mussolini were strongly against socialism.
Yeah, but the "statist spectrum" .... is opposite the "freedom spectrum" .... on the whole spectrum .... the Mussolini family has been socialist for over 100 years .... still are to this day .... Russia got a 20 year headstart on Hitler's National Socialist German Workers Party (NASDAP) .... but, Germany was closing the gap .... fast .... the worst hatred is amonst competing systems .... that are basically the same shit !
Afraid you got your history reading wrong, Vlad.
Both Mussolini and Hitler were social democratic figures. They were in contraposition to the elite powers working in their respective countries. We tried for almost a century to distort history with propaganda. They were not lonely mad men, or better they were not the mad men that are portrayed in the history books in schools. They had huge support from the masses. Mussolini social reforms for example, were simply staggering. He was the answer to an idiotic and self absorbed elite (aristocracy/plutocracy of the time) uncapable to handle the transformations of a fast evolving world (very similar to what we have today in Western democracies).
This is what drives me mad. Our total stupidity in not remembering the past with objectivity, will induce us to repeat the same mistakes, over and over. There are sooo many people that are convinced that these two guys (Hitler and Mussolini) took the power by force like the dictators that we set up in our banana Rebublics. What we should remember however is that they were one of the possible answers to failed power systems. Today we have failed power systems all over, the risk to live again that collective madness with answers like Hitler and Mussolini is a very real one... if we are not careful.
"On March 23, 1919, with the financial backing of wealthy industrialists and landowners who feared a Bolshevik revolution, Mussolini founded a new political movement under the name of Fasci di Combattimento. From 1920 onward, armed Fascist squads engaged the pro-Soviet Communists in street battles, broke up Communist meetings with fists and clubs and destroyed their newspapers – a mirror image of the situation in Germany."
Of course.
We have the general (wrong) impression that Revolutions are made by the masses...They are not.
The French, the American revolution, even the Bolscevik revolution in Russia were not spontaneous rebellions. They had backing, financial and ideological, from "part" of the Elite and intelligentia. Masses are just angry mobs uncapable of any permanent change without the contribution of the "rebel" elite and "rebel" intelligentia.
I am sure that you read also the narrative of the young Mussolini, and where he was coming from...
Yes, socialism...
Here's only some of the laws that were forced by Mussolini (by means of the equivalent of executive orders), they are in Italian, next a translation, and you can look them up… they were pretty advanced for Italy and for the world… at the time, all within a socialistit matrix:
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• Tutela lavoro donne e fanciulli (R.D. 653 - 26/4/1923); (protection of the rights for children and women at work)
• Assistenza ospedaliera per i poveri (R.D. 2841 30/12/1923); (hospital assistance for the lower income)
• Assicurazione contro la disoccupazione (R. D. 3158 - 30/12/1923); (insurance for unemployed)
• Maternità e infanzia (R.D. 2277 - 10/12/1925); (protection maternity leave and mothers with small kids)
• Esenzioni tributarie famiglie numerose (R.D.1312 - 14/6/1928); (tax exemption for large families and low income)
• INAIL (R.D.264 - 23/3/1933); (insurance/worker comp)
• INPS (R.D.18274/10/1935); (retirement funds/pensions)
• Riduzione settimana lavorativa a 40 ore (R.D. 1768 - 29/5/1937); (limiting the working week at 40 hrs)
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This is not a defense of the Mussolini regime whatsoever, but we have to keep in mind what was made to understand what was going on... outside of the propaganda that was written after WWII was over...
;-)
This just in...Hillary wins!
10% of Germans were Nazis .... 10% of Russians were Commies .... 10% of Muslims are frothing Jihadists .... 10% of Chinese were card carrying Commies .... only 10% of Democrats are avowed socialists .... the world has become more democratic .... instead of a one man dictatorship .... we now have 10% party dictatorships ?
Government can create jobs - NASA's spin offs for example. Problem is, these days, a government expenditure had to involve a shovel.
How long are people willing to believe this foolish propaganda?
Capitalism = paradise.
Socialism = hell.
I have lived in Socialism for more than 25 years:
- nobody on dole.
-everybody was paid living wage.
- unemployment rate 0%.
- 40 years constant development, no cricis.
- heath service free for everyone.
- education free for everyone.
- housing: no morgage.
state accommodation 2-4 bedroom appartment usually completely new. Waiting list up to 2 years depends on how fast builders could build new housing.
cooperative accommodation - 1 year salary on table and you move in next day do completely new appartment where rent is lower that state accommodation.
Nobody was homeless. State guaranteed that nobody could kick you out from you home without providing adequate new accommodation.
Want a house? State provides nearly interest free loan to individuals who wanted to have they house built.
Why socialism colapsed??? It NEVER collapsed. It was destroyed by international corporations which bribed guardians of socialism, in order to steal a share wealth created by previous generations.
Any questions?
People wake up!!!
Capitalism is SLAVERY!!!!!
Anything is better than SLAVERY....
What country was that?
I lived in CZECHOSLOVAKIA.
Where do you live now .... did you upgrade to a better, purer socialism .... say North Korea ?
Nothing is better than to see happy fool.
Nothing is better than to see happy fool.
Where is the socialist brotherhood .... on sharing your paradise with Muslims from North Afrika and Syria .... it's all good ?
I worked there in Humpolec and visited a friend of mine a few years back there.
It still has great maternity leave, etc. and seems to put family first, economy doing really well.
However some of the older people were really dour, seemed to me to be a throw back to the misery of communism. Are you talking post soviet rule or soviet rule? I'm guessing soviet, (CZECHOSLOVAKIA)?
Let me explain something. We all have been living in big lie for years and it is difficult to accept it was lie. Russians bled heavily during WWII in order to protect their motherland. They are the richest and the most powerful country in the world but they do not need to prove it. they let americans play cowboys....
After WWII in order to prevent another war they figured out that they need to create huge buffer zone so nobody has capacity to overcome this obstacle and that's way there was no war in Europe for 70 years.
Now, Eastern Europe understand that Russian occupation in fact wasn't occupation but they were protecting us. Of course they were protecting us against our foolish will but they knew protecting us they were protecting themselves and protecting peace in Europe. As soon as Russians let it go what happened?
Yugoslavia, destroyed. Iraq, Afganistan, Syria, and so on.
It is quite funny. Everyone called them occupiers. We hated them. We were trained to hate them. They had bases in our countries, but they were affraid of us. Becuase they new if they had any problems with locals they would be shipped to Siberia immediatelly. And nobody wanted to go Siberia.
I lived in Czechoslavakia for more than 25 years but I have seen real Russian soldier 2-3 times, they were not allowed outside their barracks. They were strictly told by their superiors they have to behave as guests not invaders and there was quite severe punishement for breaking this rule.
What ever they tried we always looked at them as invaders, But were they really invaders?
I think that more and more people in Eastern Europe do not see them as invaders....any more...
You are either lying through your teeth or looking at the past with the rose tinted glasses of nostalgia.
It's dishonest not to identify your country .... so we can check out your story ?
Another example: I was in Hungary in 1980s. Every food shop had any fruit juice imaginable. 100% pure, thick as smoothies for funny money. Then mighty "COLA-LOCA" came in. Next year all juices disappeared and were replaced by "coLa Loca" products. All those smalled productions were bought and closed.
And Hungarian customers had no choice, but to drink coLa-piss.
Do you think that this is a fair competition???
The same happened in Eastern Germany. After they opened borthers, all Eastern German Factories were bought and closed. And Poor Eastern Germans had to go to western Germany to beg for work.
This happened across the whole Eastern Europe, no exemption.
And this was called democracy, economic transformation and so. Whatever you want to call it. In fact is was stealing of national property of biblical proportion.
This piferage of Eastern Europe, produced 9 year of constant growth in Western Europe and US. Now Russia is on the horizon but Russians are not very eager to give their wealth without a fight.
And they can put up hell a lot of fight. .....
Some capitalist law prevented stores from selling fruit juices in hungary? I'm calling BS on your BS.
Bernie the Backstabber
Madness...
The UK has free education and free health care without anything near the natural resources of the US.
They're doing ok.
The US seems to be a pyramid with the everyone working to fill the pockets of the 0.01%. People in the US dream of being that one in 10,000 instead of dreaming of a society that is nice for 9,999 in 10,000
Muslim Madness .... UK socialism is never saying no .... to anything .... you've got a friggin' mess on your hands, Mohammad ?
I am afraid that you are mistaken. British are the same slaves as americans.
Health service is near collaps, due to misuse of health service.
university fee is 9000 GBP a year.
Average university graduates finish university with 30 000 - 36 000 GBP debt, and start his or her career very often 5 GBP per hour.
Many over 30 live with their parents because they cannot afford indepent accommodation.
Overall, UK debt is 508%. There was only one country which had bigger debt, called Weimar Republic. 800%.
To pay for loaf of bread you needed wheelbarrow full of money.....
By the time you come home from Bakery, your neghbour was offering you 2 wheelbarrows full of money for the same loaf of bread.
Oops, just presumed it was the same as Ireland re university. It's still pretty much free in Ireland...
More than half of universities in England and Wales do charge the maximum of £9,000 ($13,440) per year – but at a diminishing number of universities, the annual tuition fees are just £6,000 ($8,950) for undergraduate home students.Apr 2, 2015
Still a lot less than the US...
Actually living in the UK now, we're very impressed with the health service.
Also, debt is 90.314% of GDP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
His figure is total debt not national debt
I was impressed too until I cut myself ones and needed 2 stitches.
5 hours waiting at E & A for 2 stitches. My hand covered in blood.
Despite Eastern Europe health care is significantly underfinanced. 5 hours waiting with open wound IMPOSSIBLE never happened and never heard that similar situation happened to anybody else.
As soon as your doctor see blood you are treated IMMEDIATELY.
There is a lot Eastern Europeans in UK, and have heard so shocking stories that we never heard or experienced in Eastern Europe. And UK Health Service is supposed to be one of the best in the world.
ha ha ha, Overwhelming mayority of Eatern Europeans travel home to go to doctor and even pay extra than to go to doctor and get "Free" treatment in UK
Sweden has free college, too. Too bad student debt is so high.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/the-high-price-...
I'm against wealth redistribution or new taxes, but fuck Buffet, the Koch brothers, Soros, etc. Destroy or redistribute their assets, they (0.0001%) have been all profiting by unfairly extracting wealth from all of us.
I feel like I've been robbed just fine by people claiming to be capitalists.
The biggest crime is when you lie to yourself ?
This article is just the usual pimping for the status quo. The author doesn't understand what the word "Socialism" means, which makes it hard to understand what he's saying. The author also thinks that ownership means the owner is productive, and that anyone who thinks wealth is not a measure of virtue and productivity is envious, or something. The usual bullshit one gets from entitled scions of generational wealth who couldn't figure out how to make a birdhouse with a shop full of tools. The same people who whine the hardest about taxes but make damn sure the kinds of things they own aren't taxed, while income derived from actual work is taxed by far the most.
We can disagree about Sanders, socialism, and all kinds of things, but if we misuse words and don't understand what is and isn't productive, the conversation is worthless.
Hey, Rambling Rose, you sound a little confused, too ?
When I quit my job and went out on my own, I discovered I could work half as much to earn twice as much as I had as an employee. The only difference was that I only had to support my own family, not my boss's family, his boss's family, and the squadron of assistants they required, and their families as well.
But they were the "Job Creators," right? The "Producers." Well, maybe in a Mel Brooksian sense.
Funny thing about that. The second I took myself out of their control, I realized that I now owned my means of production, rather than letting them own it. And what do you know? I'm far more efficient and effective than I ever was, because now all I do is my work. No more catering to office politics, a boss's new whimsical organizational theory gleaned from a workshop, no more having to undo things that hadn't needed to have been done in the past. I bill what the market will bear, and it's a lot more than ever "trickled down" on me.
No, I'm the Bad Anarchist who doesn't believe in hierarchical authority structures because 1) they don't work, 2) they're bad for people, and 3) on a fundamental level they don't exist.
The nonsense these shills for feudalism is so flaccid and nonsensical I have a hard time remembering the time when I took it seriously. It wasn't that long ago, either, but once you see it, you can't un-see it.
First of all, of course hierarchies exist. It's called the "Division of Labor".
I assume you started your own business? So, did I. Anyone who starts their own business basically condems themselves to a life of poverty for about 5 years. And when you own your business, and have no workers, you have to do everything yourself. Everything from doing the actual work to going to the post office to mail a letter. There's accountants, lawyers, bankers, potential clients, current clients that you have to meet with for various reasons. So, don't give me this crap that you do half the work and make twice the money. I call bullshit. 15 hour days were the norm for me, plus weekends until I hired people to do the work. It's a job in itself just setting everything up for the workers, and not to mention having to meet a payroll every week. I don't know what your business is, but it doesn't sound like what almost all entrepreneurs go through. And I know quite a few of them.
If you economic activity pays just for your food and lodging and doesn't improve significantly your living standard than you are automatically SLAVE.
Are you slave??? Do you want to be SLAVE.
Why you are praising system which automaticly makes you live as a SLAVE. You cannot do better????
"Socialism always fails because at some point people realize they don’t have to work as hard to get the same amount of stuff. It takes all the incentive away to really succeed."
In my experience with socialism the problem was one of not being able to succeed at all no matter what, not one of getting free stuff with no effort. And nothing was free.
Actually, that's a pretty good description of what a growing number of Americans are experiencing in America today. Our system is end-stage Capitalism, at the point where the use of debt at interest as money has created so much debt that the only remaining lucrative activity is the buying and selling of debt itself, and actual productive endeavor has been forced out of business. At that point, the vast majority of wealth is concentrated into very few hands, and the best anyone else can hope for is to have the good fortune to break even no matter how hard they work. At that point, many people choose to quit working in the above-ground economy. The State is willing to maintain those people in a sort of suspended animation of semi-poverty with access to brain-numbing creature comforts, to protect the Elites from the social upheaval that would occur if the majority at the bottom were not thus anesthitized.
I can assure you its far worse in Venezuela, and it isnt only a matter of degrees of degradation.
In Venezuela supermarkets are empty and you can only buy one day a week (which day depends on your national identity document last digit). And for nothing, they are empty.
http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/20...
Translation: "Six cans of tuna per person".
You have no idea, what you are talking about.
Socialism was giving so much to people for free that, you will never see it in capitalism.
Socialism had no crisis for more that 40 years.
Capitalism produces crisis every 4-7 years.
Socialism was destroyed by bribed corporate lackeys who dismantled it from inside.
F.D.Rooswelt saved America from collaps of capitalism of 1930s by implementing features of socialism.
"No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country." F.D.Roosevelt 1933
Been to Venezuela. lately?
What for? Venezuela is 30 years behind socialism in Eastern Europe of 1989. What you want to prove???
What is that supposed to mean? I find it difficult to understand your english. Are you trying to say that Venezuela is like eastern europe in 1959?
Ok, what is that supposed to mean?
Fucking please.
Socialism won World War II for the usa... what else do you call the gov't seizing the means of production and putting the entire country on food stamps?
Then they had the greatest economic growth in history in the decades following with heavy socialism policies.
Democratic socialism is an American pillar, and all those who have forgotten or never understood that stand and trumpet their blowhard, propoganda-filled bullshit.
Bernie rules. End the war on drugs. End private prisons. End these farcical wars. Equality for all. Get the fuck out of each other's bedrooms. Get the fuck out of each other's moralities. Make america great again... be RE-embracing the social aspects of community and economy.
All countries become more socialistic during war .... when they hunker down to kill each other ?
No. WWII "saved" the economy. Right? Let's have another world war, or better yet, a fake alien invasion, Mr Krugman.
Socialism working pretty good for Wall St and the 1%.
The only thing a capitalist hates worse is a bigger socialist than they are.
Nuff Said!
Ask Bernie and his followers about Vermont healthcare system. Then ask his young followers what is the youth unemployment rate in all these democratic socialist countries he sites constantly.
As high as 40% in some of those countries, IIRC.
Succeeding is perfectly fine. Gaming yhe system for a well-connected few is not.
Socialism works until fascists destroy it.
This is funny.
Bankers for Bernie
Inside the ‘socialist’ senator’s lonely Wall Street fan club.
October 26, 2015
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/bernie-sander-bankers-wall-street-213295
America has received so many years of anti communist education and media coverage that 99.9% of Americans don't even know the difference between socialism and communism. In America the movement between the stratas of wealth is very low. This means if you are born poor it is extremely difficult to break out into the richer segments. A socialist would say this is unfair and everyone should have an equal chance. This means an equal chance in getting a good education, getting a loan for your small business. Is it fair that the richest can get the children to the finest schools and have the collateral and network they have inherited to secure cheap financing? The son of a gardener may be clever, works hard at school, works hard to build a business but has to compete against other companies who have access to cheap credit lines to finance much needed capex, and working capital. I manage funds for many HNW families, they aren't more intelligent and they certainly don't work harder than others so why do people jump to their defense when anyone mentions the terrifying word socialism?
I have one for you. You know our zerohedge friend chunga. I had a question to ask him and he back which required me to call him back. I value chunga's opinion a great deal. For some reason, and I know why, because I am redneck as can be, I get to run the new tractor/loader and flail mower totalling nearly $150K in brand new crap that will soon break down. We can't trust anyone else to run it I was told. I sat and BS'ed with chunga but I figured it was time to fire up that turbo diesel and actually do something. It is an enlcosed cab so chunga said he couldn't hear it. I got back to work while still talking with chunga and running a huge tractor with an attachment that looks like a hay baler.
I told chunga that I was going to slide down this wet sidehill. This was distracted implement driving I was no near a road so means it is OK. I was on a 30 degree slope when we said goodbye. It just had to be done and I didn't have any problems until after we hung up. City boy boss, who is a friend, told me "Oh yeah, that tractor will handle those sidehills." after two inches of rain/snow. I simply said, "No it won't and it will be a mud bath." "Oh no." It is not the first tractor I have ever driven and I slid out but didn't roll. That is one hell of a spooky feeling when a tractor starts sliding sideways. You have to let ride full throttle, on a diesel, and try to steer out of it. Remember, you have several tons of steel behind you as well that has a mind of it's own.
The tractor is a 4-wheel drive. I reached forward and rammed the throttle full speed ahead and that turbo diesel kicked in. If I am going over in a tractor then I want to make sure I do it right. WOW, did the mud ever fly bug she dug in!!! I was in heaven! I still had to ride it out but I righted the machines with no damage. It took an hour to clean to the mud off of them but it was worth it. That is my attitude. There is no feeling in the world like losing a large tractor on a side slide down a slope. You only have a split second to react but if you know what you are doing you can get yourself out it.
I have been talking about running for state senate but I have had my doubts. Chunga says that maybe he has a bad attitude but I don't think that. My brother also echos what chunga said to me today. My brother said that they will go after me in every way possible. Chunga said the same. Yes, I know that. I have structured my life and finances to be able to take any of it. I am not afraid of them. Anything they would try to do I have already thought of years ago. As for what I say? I have never changed in what I have said and if I need to say "FUCK YOU" then I will. OK, well but then what? Even if I were elected, as my brother was to a county supervisor, what would I do there by myself? My brother says that I would have to compromise myself. Chunga said the same. I think they both correct.
It still does not answer the question...: What are we going to do about it?
If I were elected what if I started introducing legislation requiring disclosure of where exactly the federal funds come from and then some? How long before I have an unfortunate fatal tractor accident? I am not afraid of these people. Remember, my wife and kids are Russian citizens but the kids are native born Americans. Babushka in Russia knows a few people, has cash and won't like it much if her daughter and grandchildren went missing.
Sec 8 housing in Chicago cost $200 a month for a nice apartment, plus free Obamaphone, electric, heat and cooking gas, welfare EBT card with $200 plus on it. So there is no point in ever working.
No wonder the poor people cannot read or write or even do simple math. All they need to know is how to swipe their EBT card.
Don't forget free health insurance. The rich and connected have their socialism. The poor have theirs. And the middle class pays for it.
I'm so confused. I thought it was capitalism taking away everything the producers produce. Isn't that why there's declining consumption?
Well, and how does that bashing of some socialism correspondent to this article on ZH TODAY:
100 US CEO Have Greater Retirement Assets Than 116 Million Americans
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-29/100-us-ceo-have-greater-retirem...
thats really pathetic!perhaps, just perhaps we should look at the 'federal gov'ts' socialist program for all its employees?
and... next add the citizen's that give up their priviledges to become a part of armed forces, dod, pentagon[?], fbi, cia, nsa, etel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces
http://www.gallup.com/poll/141785/Gov-Employment-Ranges-Ohio.aspx
today there are ~100 ml. eligible americans in the work force...with ~ 20+/+% employed by the 'Socialist Federal Gov't. Programs'
Ps. this doesn't even get into the MIC gov't wefare programs that every state sucks dry that isn't socialism but communism?
Margaret Thatcher said it well "The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money"
Really??? How long Margaret Thatcher lived in Socialism to say that.
GDP in socialism was calculated as that:
whatever was free was not calculated as income.
free education
free housing (pay just rent)
free healthcare.
and whatever the rest economy produced was calculated as income.
And there was always surplus.
Capitalism has to calculate prostitution and ilegal sale of drugs as income in order to hide a complete failure.
You must be joking, right???
And it was Thatcher and Regan that believed in 'trickle down'economics. Plus they believed in privitization of things like public water supply. THATdid not turn out very well either.
The socialist is the central bankers dream. More spending more debt, more, more, more. As the article points out, the wealthy don't pay income tax. And the day we flatten the code is the day we get a new government. They'll never let that go without a fight. With the state of education in this country its no wonder people think centralizing more power in the hands of even fewer is a solution to massive corruption. Sorry folks wish it was that easy.
I had to laugh at the meme that said "a living wage so people can get of government assistance". Fodder for the mindless fool. Show me a living wage and I'll show you a $50 loaf of bread.
I lived in Socialism for more than 25 years, but there wasn't a central bank, how socialism can be dream of central bankers... you are a little confused to say the least.....
You are confused. There are central banks all over the world and even if your little bastion of socialistic bliss did not have a central bank it was certainly under the umbrella of one or more. Modern Euro socialism was developed hand in hand with Keynes economic theories which is the basis for modern central banking.
Confused? Yes you are but understandabley so.
Maybe it is surprise to you but the whole Eastern Europe had no CENTRAL BANK until 1989. What for??? Institurion of central banks was built after regime changes in Easten Europe.
Hey, Man wake up. The whole eastern Europe lived 40 year without central banks. What for you need central bank???
europe has been controlled by the bankers for centuries...you have no clue. enjoy your government money being handed to you until it runs out. You probably do not have children, just take it all and when you die it wont matter.
I am impressed with you visionary wisdom. Everything what you said is bullshit. Stop staring into your crystal ball and start looking around yourself then maybe you will see and understand more...
But goot try. I hope that you do not mind if I am not going to bet any money on your visions....
I hate loosers offers....
Good luck....
Eastern Europe socialism pre 1989, "socialism" in Easter Europe prior to the fall of Soviet Union? That what you guys called it LOL
I stand by my assertion
By the way the Soviet Union was for all intents and purposes a central bank for Eastern Europe. Central government, central banking not much difference.
You are old and you don't matter.
You are middle aged and you don't matter
You are young and you don't matter.
There are your politics and you don't matter.
Islamic terrorists are socialists .... it's a natural match !
Seriosly are you sane? Do you understand what you are saying? I lived in Czechoslovakia 25 years during 70 80s-90s and never heard about islam? How Islam can be socialist??? I lived in CZECHOSLOVAK SOCIALIST REPUBLIC and never seen islam or islamist....
Excuuuuuuse me! Chris
"His only solution is to redistribute wealth. Which, if history is any guide, doesn’t work."
Well I hate to break it to you but the Reagan trickle down is not working as Republicans are refusing to admit. The economy is not growing and the wealthy 1% have not increased their spending since they got tax breaks several times since Reagan.
And for you Paul. I say you are confused.
Socialism is different from democratic socialism. Besides America is already hooked on Social Security and Medicare.
And if you read what Thomas Jefferson said about pur capitalism, you would want something different too. It is rigged for the wealthy. And that is especially true since the Citizens United decision by the Supreme Court.
The real solution is not a Bernie or a Trump. It is to have a new constitutional amendment to set campaign finance limits. Make votes not money count. CantBuyMeGov.com
Can you agree to that?
The only thing that was in my opinion accurate in your statement is the need for a constitutional amendment banning money in politics. Or strict limits to what can be spent in a campaign. Along with elimination of lobbyists, term limits, no more insider trading. Shit I got a whole list. The citizens United decision was correct. Yes I said correct simply because if the court can decide who can spend money where and how the precedent would be chilling and inconsistent with the constitution. I actually read the briefs both for and against. But an amendment would solve this Without the specter of a future court limiting your economic freedom.
"Most economic fallacies derive from the the tendency to assume that there is a fixed pie, that one party can gain only at the expense of another".
Milton Friedman
All you have done is spew/repeat mindless rhetoric, old rhetoric at that.
Trickle effect is a function of economics. Saying it doesn't work is like saying water doesn't flow when you turn the faucet on. Saying it's better to have government decide how much you get vs trickle down is a false paradigm. Claiming government should decide how much you get is supreme idiocy. Claiming that your only hope is to lap up what "trickles" down is monumental ignorance. See above Friedman quote. Republicans used the term improperly and dens turned that into some argument for redistribution. All political nonsense.
Don't let politicians put words in your mouth. Think for yourself.
The only thing that was in my opinion accurate in your statement is the need for a constitutional amendment banning money in politics. Or strict limits to what can be spent in a campaign. Along with elimination of lobbyists, term limits, no more insider trading. Shit I got a whole list. The citizens United decision was correct. Yes I said correct simply because if the court can decide who can spend money where and how the precedent would be chilling and inconsistent with the constitution. I actually read the briefs both for and against. But an amendment would solve this Without the specter of a future court limiting your economic freedom.
"Most economic fallacies derive from the the tendency to assume that there is a fixed pie, that one party can gain only at the expense of another".
Milton Friedman
All you have done is spew/repeat mindless rhetoric, old rhetoric at that.
Trickle effect is a function of economics. Saying it doesn't work is like saying water doesn't flow when you turn the faucet on. Saying it's better to have government decide how much you get vs trickle down is a false paradigm. Claiming government should decide how much you get is supreme idiocy. Claiming that your only hope is to lap up what "trickles" down is monumental ignorance. See above Friedman quote. Republicans used the term improperly and dens turned that into some argument for redistribution. All political nonsense.
Don't let politicians put words in your mouth. Think for yourself.
This sounds and reads like a .01% sponsored hit piece.
And self defeating as he uses Finland et al who are socialistic nations as a success story while claiming that it is not socialism that makes them successful.
Perhaps not, but apparently socialism does not STOP them from being successful either.
Poorly executed piece of hysteria IMO.
Not one of the other candidates, Dem or Gop, proposes ANY financial plank of their platform that DOESN'T involve BORROWING MORE MONEY!
That being said, what Bernie Sanders is proposing would benefit the 90%. Yes it would run up the deficit but so would anyone else's plan WITHOUT the benefit to the 90%.
Got it? Crony Capitalism = benefit to top 10%. Democratic Socialism = benefit to bottom 90%.
Now do you see why there's such a concerted effort against Bernie and FOR Clinton?
I have to disapoint you. Such a thing as Democratic Socialism doesn't exist.
Either you have Socialism for all 100% of the population of the country or you have slavery. Capitalism as a system is unstable self destructive. Produces cricis every 4-7 years and lives of destroying other or pilfering other weaker players.
Free market or freedom, democracy is just cover up for its destrutiveness and failure.
It is prooved that only dictatorship of any kind produce constant progress. Democracy gives opportunity for those with resources to dismantle any positive features of any economical, political developments for the masses.
Example:
F.D. Rooswelt taxed rich 94%. Money from those taxes he used to reboot US economy. He was so sucessful that he was voted 4 time president of US. After his death, those rich who didn't like him used all the resouces they had to dismantle everything what Rooswelt did for US citizens and made sure that nobody else dare to do the same thing to them again.
No different to a typical bunch of republican, socialism is to you guys all or nothing which is bull. There are elements of socialism that work exceptionally well as t here are with various systems.
Try getting your heads out of the toilet and start with hybrid solutions cause none of the systems are without flaws - or merits.
The polarity on these comments is astounding.
Republicans can only see the other guys' socialism. They are big spenders too and are firm believers in redistribution of income to the MIC, farmers, etc.
Wealth has already been redistributed if you look at income gains over the last thirty years. There is not a level playing field. Housing market was nationalized and there was quite a bit of bail out socialism for wealthy finance types and the politically connected as well as those industries that have engaged in regulatory capture. I am a big supporter of free market capitalism and a level playing field as well as market discipline. It would be nice if we would try it some day.
Have you heard about Piketty? French economist who collected economic data of the last 200 years and came to undisputable conclusion that:
So called free marked capitalism existed since 1945 to 1980 roughly to some extend.
anything before or anything after that period is oligopoly.
OLIGOPOLY= is a market form in which a market or industry is dominated by a small number of sellers (oligopolists). Oligopolies can result from various forms of collusion which reduce competition and lead to higher prices for consumers.
in other words SLAVERY.
So you are probably praising something, you never experienced. How you know it is good???
Or, we could simply be recognizing that Piketty is just a shallow, ignorant nincompoop who, like zillions of other academics, got it wrong.
How Piketty could get it wrong? His book is just boring colection of raw econimic data. There were others who with similar informations but Picketty attracked attention of economic gurus who figure out that whatever he was suggesting in his book seems to be right and were puzzled why is that???
Another example of failure of capitalism:
If you come to bank and ask for 100 000 USD. you get nothing because you are not credible.
if you ask for 100 000 000 USD. you get staight away no questions asked. WHY is that.
Bank doesn't want to lose and asking just 100 000 you are one of many not credible customers.
IF you ask for 100 000 000 USD. you are the only one. And it tell the bank you are going to be the strongest player on the market and will destoy all the competitors. So 100 000 000 USD is secured and carcass of you competitors is worth more then money lent to you. That means happy bonuses for the bank.
Market is rigged.
Oh, baloney.
If DanBEE goes into a bank and asks for 100 000 000 USD, DanBee gets grabbed by the scruff of his neck and thrown out on his keister. I guess you could say "no questions asked", but DanBEE DOESN'T get 100 000 000 USD.
Stop making things.
Please, trust me on this. The US is now doomed to follow Europe as a fucking socialist stinking cesspit, lorded over by crony corrupt lying fucking asswipe rags like this cunt saunders, and not even Trump will stop it.
The reason is clear enough. Americans are indebted to such an extent that it is impossible to escape it. Like a business that gets so overloaded with debt its future is eternally fucked by that load that can never overcome its potential.
Like having a crane that has a 11 ton load shackled to its hook with a lifting capacity of 10 tons.
It takes a reset, a bankruptcy and a clean start and hopefully a smarter way of doing things.
Phoenix's can rise out of the ashes for business, but for govt it cannot, unless you have strife and warfare.
Small business will smashed as the overwhelming majority demand taxes to subsidize them, They have no alternative.
If you are smart and in business there is really only one solution if you do not want to get slaughtered.
Remember that taxes are only way to feed off you. The secong is bureaucracy and regulation, because in the end it is business that pays the salary of the parasites.
And taxes and regulation can only ever increase. More regulation, more costs, more the govt hires parasites to fuck you over and the more business collapses.
Does anyone believe that small business formation having collapsed to its lowest level since WWII is a result of people not wanting to go into business.
I wouldn't open a fucking whelk stall in the US now, because some fucking shit for brains army of parasites is guaranteed to descent on me.
Fuck you. I don't do what you tell me.
The solution is hard to grasp but in fact relatively easy to do. But its time to get started.
First do an inventory of staff. For every desk job, every office sales job, every accounting invoicing job and in fact every singe position that you can ruthlessly determine can be done at any other place than the desk in your offices, add them to the list.
Second, find your best and most capable manager and take him into your confidence and tell you you have a new role for him.
With a 50 % salary increase and all tax free to boot. Tell him if he breathes a word he is out of the door in a second.
Third, send him overseas, and this is precisely what my offshore company does, then meet with our attorneys, we set up a an offshore corporation and recruit all the staff to replace those on the list made prior.
The incorporation is completed and the owner holds all the shares, You, the fucked over struggling businessman.
We will locate agree leases set up services, equip and prepare all local licenses etc to get started, you then transfer small batches of work over to your new office and have your top manager now get them update trained up to handle the work you have and the way you want it done.
Everything is under your control now and we are on hand to deal with any and all local issues that a manager could not expect to know yet, such as where to find someone to fix the aircon to replacing an office chair to filing tax returns for employees and SSS, (social security) right down to showing him around to taking his wife to the supermarket and fixing school for the kids
We locate and arrange interviews for staff as you develop it out until you have transferred in the entirety all staff based at desks in the US.
Sell or release the office space freed up.
By the time you have 20 % of the work transferred you will start to feel the savings already, by 9 or 10 months in you will be saving 60 % of labor, taxes pension benefits, office costs and bureaucracy costs on all those you off-shored to your own private outsourcing company, and with the proper SLA agreement you can shift your profits offshore too and make huge tax savings.
Think you can't get the right staff, think again, In Manila with 24 million pop now there are millions that have been trained up over years by every major corporation outsourcing its call center BPO and KPO operations.
You or we, simply steal their staff and that's easy because you can pay a premium for them, buying loyalty and not needing to feed the outsourcing companies profit.
Total cost to initially start an operation for 25 staff, that would save you 60 % over the cost of same staff in the US, around $40,000.
That's legal office lease and incorporation and cost of sending your manager over to run things. And fully equipped ready to go.
Do the math or get crushed when the fucking parasitic US govt starts to feed on your flesh in earnest.
In a year with the cost savings, and the resultant elimination of the parasitic bureaucracy in respect of those jobs off shored, you will not only be in a position to survive but to crush your competition.
I strongly believe people would not be screaming socialism if we had sound money and fair markets. Once, the system has become corrupt and people helpless vs the corruption, then all bets are off.
PROBLEM... there is no capitalism in the USA... there are no free markets... most monopolies... so why talk bad about socialism when capitalism is so screwed..
Walmart TELLS suppliers what they will pay them... all while they have already bankrupted many small businesses etc etc etc
where is supply and demand???? it's all FARCE !
Capitalism has ended in USA - time for communism USSA
He's the only one saying Mary Jane should be removed from Schedule 1 drugs.
TPTB won't let their prison industrial complex be jeapordized, but seriously, he can't be that bad. The war on pot is the biggest waste of money (not to mention destroying countless lives) in this country currently.
So people should look past everything else and vote for Hillary's sidekick Sanders so they can smoke weed, even though everyone who wants to smoke weed already does.... for the most part.
These are the kinds of decisions that push the country in bad directions.
"Im a complete idiot candidate with no grasp of economics, I will institute horrible economic policies that will probably bankrupt half of all Americans in 10 years or less, BUT WEED"
-Vote for sanders
That's pretty much the msg there.
It's either social welfare or corp welfare. Either way, you PAY! It looks like choice - 2016. But, in the end, we the sheeple get screwed everytime.
This comment I saw on facebook regarding Bernie the Greeks pot plan bears repeating until it sinks in - "so we trade decentralized pot for centralized everything else. not much of a trade there"
Capitalism fails because the playing field is never truly level and the barriers to entry are never torn down. 'Incentives' become non-existent. The protectionist laws that protect the "have's" or the 'established' make sure there are no rivals.
The problems are as follows:
1) The tax code
2) The legal system
3) The laws
4) The courts
5) The oligarchs that pay to keep (1) (2) (3) (4) broken in their favor forever.
The oligarchs created a system that gives them "cheat codes" to life, "cheat codes" that normal people don't have access to, even if the oligarches break a law, they pay the lawyers, the judges and whoever else they need to to "reinterpret" the law or downright just say the law doesn't apply to them.
You could go into court, with 100 exhibits of evidence of how a bank is commiting mortgage fraud , you could go to court with a tape recording of the CEO of the bank admiting they are commiting fraud.
One of the following things will happen:
1) The court will delay your case indefinetly
2) The court will refuse to hear your case
3) The court will do whatever it can to find some reason to dismiss your claims
Having personal experience with it, the banks lawyers will outright off record tell you that the judge is owned by the bank and they will tell you to just give up and stop wasting your time....
You have no recourse in this society.
The oligarchs dictate the laws, rules, regulations, and procedures.
You have no recourse against them because the laws, rules, regulations and procedures put people who do not comply with the theft in ifinite circle loops that do nothing but slowly drive them mad and broke.
No one wins against the oligarch bankers, and if you do manage to win, its like some stupid victory "congradulations, you were right, we were wrong heres 500$ that doesn't even cover your lawyers fees " lol
This is the society we live in, its terrible, the only way to win and protect yourself is to refuse to do business with these people as much as you can.
Bernie sanders is a psy-op candidate.
Hes there to gather the usefull idiots into the voting booth and then have them hand over their votes to Hillary lol
If he really cared about financial crime, fraud, abuse, he would go after the source of it all (The Fed) , he voted against even Auditing the Fed.
So if he wont even audit the most corrupt criminal banking institution / cartel on the planet earth or any other planet we know of , what are the odds that he will do anything to help the average joe?
Zero
Hes there to roll out the red carpet for hillary, nothing more, nothing less, but the idiots will fall for it..... they do everytime...
Financial crimes are committed by chosenites who are above the law. They control the money supply that 99.99% needs in order to survive. Until sound money and fair/honest markets, it's the only game in town.
Above this article is another one bemoaning the OLIGARCHY RECOVERY. Just keep that in mind.
If socialism has to be embraced to knock out Hillary, so be it.
> His only solution is to redistribute wealth. Which, if history is any guide, doesn’t work.
You are right wealth redistribution does not work in the economies favor. That's why our economy is struggling.
If you are so uninformed or delusional and have not noticed that wealth redistribution has already been taking place for a couple of decades now under one form shape or another that you are as much part of the problem rather than providing a solution.