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Caught On Tape: ISIS, Meet Russian Mi-24 Attack Helicopter
From the time Russia began flying sorties from Latakia, the world has been transfixed. Watching Moscow fire back up the country’s long dormant military juggernaut has been the story for five weeks running and The Kremlin hasn’t shied away from capitalizing on its newfound military glory.
Near daily videos from the Russian Defense Ministry purport to show Moscow’s warplanes decimating targets in preparation for Hezbollah ground incursions and Russian media are rife with depictions of the air force bearing down on anti-regime fighters.
As we’ve emphasized on a number of occasions, as satisfying as it may be to watch the Russians make a mockery of US foreign policy, one needs to approach Kremlin agitprop with the same degree of skepticism as one employs when assessing the American media.
That said, it’s undeniably entertaining to watch the Russian military engage militants and on that note we say “militants, meet Russian Mi-24 attack helicopter.”
“Allahu Akbar”...
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how long can Russia Finance the cost of this? begs the question..
How do you know it isn't china pulling the financial strings?
"Hey Putin, go stick a wet finger in obozo's ear."
"What'll you give us?"
"How about some nice shiny bars of gold?"
Does the Quran say anything about those 72 virgins being female?
or human? Do they have a prohibition about hooves like the jews?
Deliberate mis-translation of 'pure ones'.
They are called Angels in the bible.
i hope every single one of their 72 virgins looks like Hitlery Rotten Clitless.
...After a botched sex change operation...
So did they hit anything?
ROFL
Prepping for WWIII. This time make Israel ground zero.
"ISIS, Meet Russian Mi-24 Attack Helicopter"
And a headline coming soon to a theater near you...
"U.S. Ground Troops In Syria, Meet Russian Mi-24 Attack Helicopter"
Helicopters are useless against an organized enemy. Walkie talkies and 50 cals can coordinate to take down any chopper. The U.S. discovered this in Iraq.
So how many choppers is Russia losing over there using their poor strategy?
who cares? not putin.
72 Bruce Jenners
"Just a few years ago, as I know,
they used to speak of us among their fellow allies as follows:
'Russia could tinker with its military as much as it wants,
we are not the least interested in what's happening there.'
'All they have is rusted-out junk.'
But this is not true.
Today, it's a different game."
-- Vladimir Putin
https://youtu.be/E6fJlEfc4V4?t=1m
Putin's such a fag. None of this shit works without boots on the ground. The Russian people won't put up with it. Plus Russia doesn't have the cash.
Dude who video'd the choppers has pair of large cajones.
Walkie talkies and 50 cals can coordinate to take down any chopper.
Uhhh - you may want to research the Mi-24 Hind - they call it "the flying tank" for a reason. While I won't argue that "the golden BB effect" has taken down it's share of aircraft, the majority of helos shot down in Iraq were un-armored. Your 50-cal isn't much use when someone is hovering 3km away and hammering you with 23/30mm computer assisted cannons.
In Iraq Sadam's soldiers would mount 50 cals (Barret knock-offs) on rooftops behind parapets. When a chopper would come in for a strike the leader would fire a flare and then all positions would open fire at once. Caught in a hail of damaging fire from a dozen directions the chopper had no choice but to retreat or go down. It's the main reason the Commanche helicopter was cancelled. Sadam's tactic wouldn't work in open terrain but it's very effective in urban areas.
one 50 barret would put quite the smile on my face. 750 grains of fury...
The 750 is a Hornady match round.
661 FMJ is stock but will put a smile on your face, too. :-D
pretty black and silver tips are even better.
Hey, what's 1.5 ounces of love at 2,000 fps at 1500 yards between friends?
OK, OK OK.. depending upon air density and moisture it might only be 1,887.53 fps at 1500 yards… so sue me.
You probably missed noticing that these attacks we aee are usually in open territory, just as the video above. So, at best your comment is irrelevant.
Don't they teach the kids about situational awareness these days or do they just get another life every time they get killed. ;)
The Russians learned their lessons well in Afghanistan.
Those Hind were no use at all in the mountains of the Kush.No visiblity,close range,and
no manoevre room.
The Syrian terrain is perfect for Russian tactics though.
Hmm..
Anybody notice how the US fail in Ukraine has slipped off the radar?
My guess is that Donbass is probably more heavily reinforced than West Germany by now.
The Ukrainians are doing their bit to help. They managed to start a fire in a weapons store at Svatovo in the far west of Donbass. The store held ~ 3500 tons of munitions including grad, smersh and uragan MLRS rockets. They make quite a nice foreworks display. Fortunately there were few casualties amongst the local civilians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9brOiT86EM
Walkie talkies and 50 cals can coordinate to take down any chopper.
Stupid Idiot, Trix are for kids..... *fire rockets *
Need to go a little bigger than a fifty. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&...
The Mi-24 fuselage is heavily armored and can resist impacts from 12.7 mm (0.50 in) rounds from all angles.
I tell you clowns what. You guys get you and your dumbass buddies on the roof with yer walkie talkies and 50 cal pop guns and give me a Russian Flying gunship and we will see who goes out to dinner in the evening. You might want to study up on the armor, range and armament of these fllying tanks before I shoot my twin 30mm, quad 23mm and rocket pods from 3 klicks out or just fly up out of range and drop a bomb on you. Ill give you a little info. Most all military rounds are designed to penetrate the same thickness of steel as the diameter of the bullet. This means 30mm will penetrate 30mm of steel/armor, its actually an anti-tank round. Or a naval 16inch gun on a battle ship= 16inch steel penetration.So go ahead and hide behind your cement wall and pick rocks out of your face as I dump 1500 rounds in a flyby while you shoot maybe a belt as Im looking at your body heat with infrared. This ain't a dinky Comanche, these be the Chiefs. Nato or the US does not have a comparable copter.
Plus the Russians always, always, always fly em in pairs for a reason. If one takes fire, you won't go home, they actually sometime try to draw small arms fire to reveal your location. Of course there is always a lucky shot. Or as someone laughed above golden BB effect.
Only if Manpads start showing up in numbers will the tactics have to adjust, until then forget it.
I didn't verify any of your claims, but I liked them.
Green one for that post.
The MI-24 is armored. Not the optics, not the weapons, not the RADAR, etc. All it takes is a one round in the rocket launcher pod and it's all over. Rounds coming from a dozen directions from hidden positions give the pilot no target. Like Afghanistan, all they can do is let loose with the weapons and get the hell out. The real question is whether ISIS miscreants are smart enough to fight a capable foe.
Yes their is nothing on a battlefield that can't be destroyed in the right situation. I'm really kind of surprised they have not lost one yet. This place is crawling with 23mm AA. They have used these a while and I think they realize what they can and can't do. And to be fair you notice I said the armor is resistant, not bulletproof. Their is only so much armoring you can do to something that flys before the weight starts to effect the flight and cuts down payload. They probably have a titanium cockpit and maybe a plate or two around the engine.
The thing that changed it in Afganistan was when the US started giving the Mujahadeen stinger missles, which is what McCain is screaming now. They had about 75 of these badly damaged and total lost about 25 which says a lot about how tough these things are. the other 50 made it back after being hit,
ISIS has lots of mercenaries and supposedly a few K Chechens. These guys are the most battle hardened guys on the planet at the moment so they know how to fight. But sitting around spread out and scattering your firepower waiting for a helo attack that may or may not come is sometimes impractical when your moving around or facing ground troops.
But your right, one bullet in the ole rocket pod would probably get er done.
You bring up a good point. Intelligence. If the Russians have good intelligence they can get an exact location on a target and then use standoff weapons against it. If their opponents can plant false intelligence they can be set up for a kill.
Knew a couple of Afghan (They Claimed) military types back in 91 that happened to be going through some type of training down in Fort Sill. What they were doing there I never knew and didn't ask but I met them off post at a bar which I thought was a bit odd for Muslims. One of them swore that taking down any Russian chopper was fairly easy if it got close enough by letting loose a sustained burst into the blades and just about any automatic small arms would do it. The trick he said was getting them in close enough at a slow enough air speed. Claimed they would set up traps for the choppers which would come in and hover but the Russians quickly figured it out and started staying well out of range and sending in ground units after they lost a few ships.
If I am not mistaken though most of that was before they started making the blades out of the Kevlar mix so perhaps it is not a viable tactic these days. That also begs the question though if the Hind is even using a composit blade as I would think it would be too light for a ship of that size especially if they needed to auto-rotate. Honestly my info is so out of date I really just end up asking more questions than I can answer though.
I learned from Red Dawn (the original, I've not seen the pathetic remake) that a Mi-24 can shake off an RPG hit. When I saw this, I knew I'd stay the hell away from any angry Hinds.
You don't know a ducking thing about advanced attack helicopters.
I guess you never were in the military and in combat.
Obviously not an organised enemy then, eh?
The US Army NEVER LEARNS ANYTHING. How many choppers did they lose in Iraq? I don't know. But I know how many Hueys we lost in Vietnam: FIVE THOUSAND. They don't care how many they lose, they will just replace them with new ships, new crews.
More choppers ordered - more profits for the war profiteers.
Kinda makes it clear which government places value on its military and which places value on money huh?
Helicopters are useless against an organized enemy. Walkie talkies and 50 cals can coordinate to take down any chopper. The U.S. discovered this in Iraq.
Those Helicopters are very susceptible to simple heat seeking anti-aircraft missiles. You would think after the disaster the Russians suffered at the hands of Afgan Savages in Afghanistan they would have redesigned it. They never did. There is no way any of those Helicopters would survive any encounter with Troops armed with Heat Seeking anti-aircraft missiles.
Palestinian Woman Shot at Bus Station, Six Times: Israeli Police Alter Story Again
http://www.globalresearch.ca/palestinian-woman-shot-at-bus-station-six-t...
IDF drive around a Palestinian refugee camp at Aida, near bethlehem, announcing "we will gas you until you die".
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/military-palestinian-refugee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC5_W_zUzHc
How long can Russia finance this?
At the speed they're going, I don't think that will be a problem.
It is probably coming out of the military training budget. Instead of training blowing up bits of scrubland in Siberia, the Russians are training blowing up ISIS in Syria. True, the extra distance imposes extra costs, but the political returns outweigh those.
Should the NATO women and children killing force dare to enter Russia they will meet a fully trained opposition. One that does not didtinguish between brand names of terrorrists. ISIS, FSA, al Nusra, NATO - they are all acting on the same side.
Makes you wonder how many billions we've spent running sarcastic raids on "ISIS" for the last year or so.
We likely wasted billions of tax payer dollars to create an army of psychopaths, to use as toys in the Middle East to overthrow elected governments so a handful of people can profit from an oil pipeline? Have we gone completely insane? Is this not treason?
Solutions will come from those with the moral initiative to build a better world for the lumpen. Empires need not apply.
Treason against Americans? Yes. Treason against Israel/Saudi Arabia? No.
So essentially the bankster oligarchs are selling the services of our military to the highest bidding nation states for "regime change services".
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
I think it's time to refresh that liberty tree...
Great point and it raises the question how many American soldiers did Obama sacrifice as part of a Potemkin war on US and Israeli proxies?
as if someone is actually counting money?
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https://enronnext101.wordpress.com/
They don't make costly bombs just to explode it nowhere. They can pretty well finance this because unlike usa mic Russian mic has goal to annihiliate them asap.
Money's no problem. Putin, paraphrasing Trump, said "he'll make ISIS pay for it."
round up merican arms, munition and equip, throw in some slightly used toyota pickups and sell to ready willing buyers...
I think you can slip the deployment of 50 aircraft into the marketing budget. This is going to sell a LOT of hardware.
True Dat...
It's a major marketing campaign, with free media from CNN International
True, those Su-34s are pretty mean machines. I wonder if they offer civilian flights as they do with Mig-29s
I would love to do that. I would pay extra to take a dump @ 40,000+ feet in the onboard toilet.
They got their butts handed to them in Afghanistan. Same may happen in the ME. Those camel lovers have been fighting invaders and each other forever. They love it. They will not quit and unless the Russkis resort to nukes or biologicals, they will always have ragheads around to fight. War is good business because it never stops, full employment for all.
War is good business because it never stops, full employment for all.
Wait until Ragheads meet GAS.....
They got their butts handed to them in Afghanistan.
so did the U.S.
Of course when the U.S. armed 'terrorists' to help defeat The Soviets there it was about defeating an evil empire. And giving Saddam chemical weapons to use on Iranians and Kurds - why, that was all about freedom, democracy, and the rule of law.
But the U.S. is simply outraged that Russia and Iran would return the favor in a couple of the 7 or 8 countries the American Empire later attacked.
If Russia can successfully beat the enemy they will make a profit on the whole venture. Russian weapon sales will get a huge boost. Every two bit tinhorn banana republic will place orders for Russian weaponry using money borrowed from the IMF or JP Morgan.
Or they all look Like Caitlyn Jenner
Deleted dumb comment.
What good are angels to you if you're already dead?
Do they wash windows and vacuum?
Don't tell me...you mean those 72 virgins are sheep that haven't been fucked ?!
It turns out YOU are the virgin
Regardless of what sexual appetites the Islamic afterlife caters to, devout Muslims will ultimately have to meet their 72 mothers-in-law.
Who the hell down voted that???
That was freaking hilarious.
72 demon virgins from the deepest hell, they are hungry for (sn)a(c)kbars
Remember they told us it was Japan and China financing Operation Desert Storm (aka Gulf War I)?
Why not here? China and Russia are closer than ever, thanks to AmeriKan Zionist-Neocon planning.
Nothing would make these cunts happier than a fight between Russia, China vs. the USSA and her lackeys.
Indeed! China has been cashing in hundreds of billions of US T-Bills. How hard to slip Putin a couple Billion to run the Syria air war? But also, Russia can run their operations at perahps a small fraction of the USA's similar military operations. Russia does not require that corporation and share holders all become wealthy off of military weapons and supplies, In fact Russia demands strickt cost controls, and enforces them. Not always with success, like with a failed drone program, but on the whole, Russia can build and operate all military forces at a fraction of US costs.
And Russia does not have the overhead costs of maintainig a huge network of airfields, ammo depots, equipmemt warehouses, navel facilities much of which is privatized and require profits and local payoffs. It seems $600 billion a year is not nearly enough for National Security.
The Red Air Force is Smokin' !!!
Alan's Snackbar!!
Not gold, rather U.S. government bonds.
China isn't stupid.
Maybe some QE ?
I read that they already have budgeted the whole thing, as a big part of the cost for training the aviation was already in place in planned training exercises anyhow, might as well get some free real life combat experience in.
They plan on rotating pilots in and out after 10000 flight hours and 250 military sorties. This says two things, they are there for the duration and they are going to get the most pilots as possible real life combat training. Smart move for the futureIMO.
Minus the Logistical cost and shit ton of bombs of course. The bomb plants are said to be running 3 shifts in Russia.
i believe it
i believe it
why does it double post.. fml
an echo?
Echo...
Echo...
Also Its not that big a deal. This is just about 30 planes operating. The fact that they hit 118 targets and flew 71 sorties one day this week was impressive to say the least. Each flight has to have inspections/ maintenance and loaded with a contingent of the types of bombs/missles that the particular target objective calls for and air and ground threats involved. Now thats flying your ass off round the clock as not every plane is flight ready on any given day.
That's how to run an Airforce. I don't know who their Airforce commander is but he has his shit together. I Look to see some real fighter aces flying some of the best aircraft in the business in the future.
Sure, they say they are Russian pilots, but how do we know that it wasn't Brian Williams piloting that attack copter?????
I'll await Williams' response, and verification from Colin Powell!
C'mon, everybody knows Brian Williams is a tail gunner not a pilot.
Tail gunner on the Space Shuttle.
Well said, Sir.
From what I've heard, I bet Paul Eberhart can fly a helicopter, with a monster box of bitcoins stuck up his ass..
Very interesting historical parrallel with the Spanish Civil War in late 1930's, both USSR and Germany used it to train pilots and refine combat tactics later used in WWII battles...so now they are prepping for WWIII ??
They have also been disposing of old stock. It is cheaper to drop old weapon on low risk targets than to dispose of them through disassembly / disposal, particularly as it now forms part of the air crew training process.
Russia undoubtedly has LARGE stockpiles of military material.
In the days of the Soviet Union, the Soviet government had the attitude that the millitary was essentially a "free good" since every Russian male was required to do military service. The conscript Russian army was used for bringing in the grain harvest, building roads, etc. etc.
Since the government had already "paid" for the army, it didn't cost anything to repair roads or run a war or two.
"how long can Russia Finance the cost of this?"
A long time.
Judging by these guys, it doesn't sound like financing is the same money-making Merc operation that the US+ are running.
FRONTLINE Interview – Lunch with a pro-Assad militia commander: https://youtu.be/uL9EbC-4QF0
SOMEWHERE Along the Way, there has to be some type of Drug Trafficking and Drug related Money Laundering invovled.
Plenty of Opium/Poppy and Marijuana/Cannabis available from the AFG Stocks (BTW, AFG is the #1 Producer/Exporter of those).
Nowhere near the one trillion US has already spent and going strong. A war of financial attrition and migration absorption saturation. And the loser is Europe !
hope they sell tighty whities and baby wipes at the nearest 7-11
how long can Russia Finance the cost of this? begs the question..
Two words.
Syrian Gold
Two words - ruble printing.
Russia's debt to GDP ratio is 18%.
Try again, pototo farmer.
Two words - fuck off.
Yea, it's damn good thing the fed doesn't create money out of thin air.
/s
Here's the top secret Latvian printing press
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gZaNDaVsPSs/Us1nrGW6uiI/AAAAAAAAPs8/YqgSu4wbyc...
They're using US debt the dollar to pay for it. Isn't the US dollar the global reserve for international transaction? The Europeans and China are also the largest buyer of oil and natural gas from Russia which is the main source of Russia's income. So even if energy prices is way down they still get paid. The sanctions means nothing it just means the Russians can no longer buy Mercedez Benz or let the stupid French build them a ship but to the Russians that's small potatoes. The ones who's really going to hurt are the Europeans if Russia decides not to sell natural gas to Europe with winter coming up.
Don't believe the US propaganda, that's just Obama flexing his muscles to the American people for show but all is has is erectile disfunction.
Well, Quadratic_Equation, we now know of one commenter whose head has been up their skankhole regarding how the Russkies transact business --- been hiding in a cave in Afghanistan these past five years?????
The Russians are people who, strangely nowadays, keep their word.
You got a gas contract? You pay? You gonna get that gas come hell or high water.
We have a stock for a couple of world wars. On a military base near my town, they have been blowing up old bombs, missiles and shells for last 5 (!) years. This is planned weapon utilization.
What they don't have a printing press?
and the US can?
(Some) Russians are *really* crazy!http://thesaker.is/some-russians-are-really-crazy/
that's bad ass! but i was hoping they were base jumping.
Compare with delta force video.
This is advertising for their military hardware. Didn't you read about the sales to India, China, Iraq (yes really), Iran, Vietnam.
css1971...add to that list Canada as its look like the Canuks are going to bail on the F-35 So the CDNs are in the market for a better fighter jet and the SU 35 may just fit the bill.
It might fit the bill but there ain't no MIC profit in it so it won't be allowed to happen. Place your money on the Super Hornet.
We have blimps.
Depends on the amount of ink and paper available for the printing presses would be my guess.
Since Russia threw the Rothschilds out it looks like they have retaken the right to create their own money. This means they can fund this for ever.
and what is the cost of letting the trans MENA pipeline get build by a syrian western controlled puppet?
and how many shares is assad willing to write against his part of the leviathan gas field?
unlike some crap hole like afghanistan or a vietnam, this place has money written all over it. it is a strategic geopolitical lynch pin.
Hedge Accordingly....The Russian finance minister is saying the Syrian operation will most likely be contained within the current military budget with expenditures coming from the budget for training personnel.
The same ,the other white Europeans do..
Psicopath at WORK...
Maybe just using up the close to best before date stuff. They haven't had the chance to rotate their stock through other people's countries as much as the U.S.
Just like the U.S. the always can print money.
"how long can Russia Finance the cost of this?"
As long as it takes.
hedgeaccordingly ,
i have been discussing this with people and i believ russia spends less than 2% the u.s. miltiary budget in syria alone.
1) the biggest cost is bribery and they bribe no one. they are being PAID BY ASSAD AND IRAN TO DO THIS
2) they are only attacking target pretty much already identified and scoped out with russian sattelite imagery and cheaply gathered NATIVE syrian ground intelligence.
3) no russians are on the ground of any major number
4) they are not paying mercenaries.
they can do this FOREVER. because they are doing so little and SO LATE.
arguably, russia's choice of military strategies is actually constrained by how impoverished it is and thus they are playing very good strategic defense. and can probably continue to do so for a lot longer than europe can pretend to be solvent. i give it 5 years. yes. the war in syria can and likely WILL CONTINUE THAT LONG.
the 'war' is like european style 17th cetury wars. long grinding and basically a predation upon the syrian peasantry above all else. the end of the war will not lead to gulf oil pipelines built to europe. nor will it lead to russia consolidating very much power. it will be a stalemate for the assad dynasty (probably he will be the last of his house to rule). and yet, the most assured loser is the western taxpayer and 90% of the syrian peasantry will be laid waste. a true holocaust of people.
the end goal of the west and east will be to cover up the crimes of humanity upon about 25 million people , 2-3 million dead and 20+ million totally scattered both within and without their countries territory. as the west and east fight their oil wars the suffering will always be covered up. after all. no one really cares about these people.
You have as much insight as Obozo, which isn't so much with his focus on golf.
We have a de facto allianec between Iran,Hezbollah,Syria and Russia.
If you cannot see the strategic implication of this alliance, I don't know what to say.
Putins hands were tied until the P% deal with Iran ran out of time to
be overruled by congress.
Putin now has Israel by the throat, if they are wise they,and the USA, would to roll over.
Not going to happen though.
thank you, winston. +1000
Good one WC.
Now watch what happens with the Golan once that corner of Syria is cleaned out. That will be Putin with his his Su-30s around Israels cojuns.
a long long time, the wages are low and the nuclear arsenal is big you'll pay them big bucks not to make you glow
Probably until the Sun explodes. They are running a minor military op, not the Great Patriotic War.
so USA militry in the mideast - Bad. Russian military in the Mdeast - Good. typical ZH double standard
SLM standards
US military supporting US-sponsored head-chopping terrorists - GOOD. Russian military destroying US-sponsored head-chopping terrorists - BAD.
Its not a 'double standard' because the involvements are fundamentally different. Surely you are not really so ignorant as to think what the US has done in Syria and Iraq and Libya and Ukraine and Afghanistan and Yemen (by proxy and by logistical support) is the same as Russian intervention in Syria at the invitation of its government against mostly foreign takfiri mercs and Sunni Islamists?
Do you have any idea just how much you're being ripped off with respect to the military?
Pork MOUNTAINS
TRILLIONS LOST.
The Russians can put together 90% of the capability at 5% (or less) of the cost.
"Money" has no backing in Russia just like everywhere else. Central banks, our owners, are printing it out of nothing. And that's what they do, all day and everyday, enslaving humanity with debt on nothing, aka as thin air.
Their existence depends on our elected representatives keeping quiet about it and the media and law enforcers siding with them, because if people knew how the scam works, the Central bankers would be dust in the wing by now.
Nothing funnier than a dune coon shouting "aloha snackbar"
Don't the ruskies know you can get filled up quick at Alan's Snackbar? They shouldn't be blowing it up with their helimicompters...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qktoC02VODo
what's a "dune coon"?
anything like a "right wing, racist, mouth-breathing, chickenshit fuckin pussy asshole"?
Just curious - English not being my first language.
Actually is a synonm for "progressive, racist, liberal, chickenshit, handout demanding, curl up into a ball, PC, freespeech killing, nigger"
Now you know.
jeezus that didn't make a lick of sense, public school.
I guess your hatred of brown people and muzzies got in the way of your critical thinking skills.
cookie?
No I think it just means 'sand nigger' - why don't you?
Doubly stupid as the fellas in the video clearly are not isis, clearly not equipped for fighting, and clearly happy that the Russians were attacking.
And thinking is not your first skill.
Don't pick on {this} Banzai.
He's one of the dumber people here - kidding aside. Racist, ill-informed, prone to believing absurdities, and with the stunted sense of humor of a frat boy who's had one too many concussions.
Also - the rule is - you can be racist and absurd about Arabs or Muslims to your hearts content.,..
But don't you dare say anything TRUE and unflattering about Israel or Judaism.
And this site isnt as libertarian as it once was - the Fox News/Breitbart/Drudge right wing religious and racist morons maintain a heavy presence and are both too stupid and too unprincipled to note their own hypocrisy.
got it?
Their kinda like sand niggers but different
"Nothing funnier than...."
yeah, actually there is.
Sorry about those virgins, we seem to be running short these days.
not that it will matter - but the virgins thing is a myth..apparently its vague, but mostly considered "angels" - pure as in immaculate - and not specifically female.
Does put a damper, if true, on the hasbara and Islamophobia, of course - so let's not concern ourselves too much with whether 1.2 billion people actually believe they will be able to fuck young women who have never had sex if they blow themselves up - or not.
By the way, the Catholic doctrine of Mary and the virgin birth is very arguably due to mistranslation of a word meaning young woman / maiden into a greek word that connoted 'virgin'.
I know, I know - it doesn't matter. Muslims are bad. They're bad. All of them. And unlike Christians and Jews, their beliefs are illogical and absurd.
;]
With regard to the third paragraph, I thaught for a very very long time that virginity was related to the fact that the sin of Eve has been inherited by all women but Mary.
Hence her virginity *of that sin*. More or less a technical hack to justify the status of Jesus, but in no way related to sexual virginity (I mean, she and Joseph were married, so it would have been "Joe prefers to hang out with his moustached friends in a gay bar", and not really a miracle re. Jesus)
Mary's conception, was immaculate, goes the story, because she was born without sin.
But Jesus, goes the story, was conceived by the Holy Spirit and Christ was therefore born of a virgin...
[I did time in Catholic grammar and high school - which is a great way to come to understand just how ridiculous all dogmatic religion is.]