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Caught On Tape: ISIS, Meet Russian Mi-24 Attack Helicopter
From the time Russia began flying sorties from Latakia, the world has been transfixed. Watching Moscow fire back up the country’s long dormant military juggernaut has been the story for five weeks running and The Kremlin hasn’t shied away from capitalizing on its newfound military glory.
Near daily videos from the Russian Defense Ministry purport to show Moscow’s warplanes decimating targets in preparation for Hezbollah ground incursions and Russian media are rife with depictions of the air force bearing down on anti-regime fighters.
As we’ve emphasized on a number of occasions, as satisfying as it may be to watch the Russians make a mockery of US foreign policy, one needs to approach Kremlin agitprop with the same degree of skepticism as one employs when assessing the American media.
That said, it’s undeniably entertaining to watch the Russian military engage militants and on that note we say “militants, meet Russian Mi-24 attack helicopter.”
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The whole point was trying to decide if Jesus was to be worshipped, or Jesus AND Mary.
From what I can gather, after Jesus' death, Mary was the 'face' of Christianity. Hell, she raised him, so she probably knew a thing or two about relgion/politics (the same thing, esp. in those times).
This makes absolutely no fucking sense. Mary was married to Joseph. They didn't fuck?
Face it. Jesus was Joseph's son. It's not difficult to understand.
This is what happens when you force people to be celibate and give them a mistranslation. They try and convince themselves it's a higher cause, instead of rank stupidity.
Theyre all fictional characters, and I did not create them.
And a virgin birth is no more absurd than original sin or a divine contract for land in exchange for foreskin or a guy rising from the dead or someone elses anguish erasing my own sin.
The ahadith specifically refer to them as female with 'appetizing vaginas''; and the quran refers to them as "full-breasted" and virgin. Not vague at all. You made a nice strawman too.
are you sure you know what a "strawman" is - seriously? [A lot of people use 'begging the question' wrong as well]
Also - which "hadith" is that?
Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351
Sunan Ibn Maja, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39
by chance?
Read on, young man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri
"In Islamic mythology, the houris (/?h??riz, ?ha??riz/)[1] or ??r (plural of ?aur??, "gazelle-eyed (woman)")[1] or ??r?yah[note 1] (Arabic: ??????) are commonly translated as "(splendid)[2] companions of equal age (well-matched)",[3] "lovely eyed",[4] of "modest gaze",[5] "pure beings" or "companions pure" of paradise, denoting humans and jinn who enter Jannah (paradise) after being recreated anew in the hereafter.[6]
Among non-Muslims, the concept of the houri received wide publicity as "virgins" (most usually 72 in number for each shahid) promised as a reward to Muslim shahids (martyrs), after their death. However, contrary to such reports, the Quran states that all believers (not just martyrs, and nowhere either is it said it's just men) who go to Heaven shall be granted the company of more than one houris—explicitly mentioned in the plural, and the number 72 comes from a hadith with a weak chain of narrators (i.e. less than totally reliable), and not the Quran."
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It is absolutely true that the Koran does not promise 72 female virgins for people who kill themselves.
Your approach, if applied to, for example Judaism and the Talmud - would generate all sorts of nasty results you would likely object to.
similar situation here, only in the US - you may happily pontificate about Islam, knowing nothing of it, or of Arabic, and feel safe that no one will suspect you of unwavering and irrational hatred.
You might want to go lookup 'strawman' next.
try this: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins still bat-shit crazy delusional thinking , but no, not 72 bats, or raisins or virgins
A Tast of Islam series, Prof Bill Warner worth the read, educate yourself about Islam
Anyone who believes in an almighty god, of any persuasion, is batshit crazy and really should be on medication. Yes that means most of the population of the planet.
thank you.
The Zionists have indoctrinated the Fox Crowd with Islamophobia and irrationality very well.
So while they see crazy in Islam {where it is, as you'll agree, in spades} they simply lack the brain power to grasp that Christianity and Judaism are at least as crazy.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
Guys like this Banzai are fucking idiots, hypocrites, and represent the sort of dumbed down mouth breather the fucking neocons want.
Im sure your source is above reproach.
And Bill Warner is an expert because why?
http://drbillwarner.com
Funny how any and all efforts to 'expose' the Talmud is decried immediately and without exception as 'hate' (per se - even reliable work by past Chuch scholars, some of them converts from Judaism) while any asshole who believes the 9/11 official story can pontificate about Islam and remain a full professor.
Have you educated yourself about the Torah or Talmud?
Or, let me guess - are all the sources in english regarding violence, hate, and absurdities in *those* texts "mistranslations" and/or "out of context"?
See I have seen this movie.
If youve decided that 'they' are all bad/crazy while ''we" are not, there is no end to the dishonesty and hypocrisy of amateur scholars.
And to be clear - the Koran is full of batshit insane nonsense. But so is the bible. And so are 'wikis' developed by people determined to present their non-expertise as God's Word.
OMG a muslim apologist is full blown obamatron assclown progressive glory.
Soooooooooo all this time the Camp Lejune "72 Virgin Introduction Squad" was operating on an erroneous assumption? The guys will be heartbroken, I am sure.
The progressive stupid, it burns.
Grimaldus
Maybe you'd be more comfortable over at Breitbart - they hate fancy book learnin' too, stupid.
What burns is your overuse of that phrase and your complete lack of any sense of irony.
LOL.
Are you actually retarded?
Good job, buddy!
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1000 years of history testify to convict those who adhere to the tyrannical, bloodthirsty, aggressive political ideology which is islam. But hey, go ahead and call the history books racist and full of hate.
except Christians have killed far, far more people.
And Jews have, happily, when they've been free to do so.
read your bible, stupid.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/israel-opt-israeli-author...
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/settler-palestinians-october
Not stupid. Informed. His comment is still valid regardless of what Christian and Jews have done.
Both are agressive in their war actions.
Difference with Islam is that it tends to churn out religious warriors today. The Christians and Jews tend to use professional armies.
Primarily a difference of the cultural approach to war.
Our biggest downer is that the West or Christian nations don't have sovereign representation, so when "we" kill people via war it's in the service of others, and not for our people's benefit.
The Christians and Jews organize, train, and fund 'Islamic terrorists' like ISIS - many or most of whom are likely just there for a paycheck.
And even were you right that only Islam 'churns out religious warrior today' were true, which it is not, one wonders how anyone can look at the death and destruction perpetrated BY christiand and jews TODAY and yet give those faiths a pass because, why, while THEY kill far more people THEY pretend its about 'democracy'.'
you're trying desperately to excuse millenia of violence by Christians and a lesser extent Jews by claiming their violence today is excusable. Its nonsense. And absolutely Islam produces violent religious nuts - violence is all over the Koran. But muslims have been murdered in far, FAR GREATER numbers these past hundred years by Christians and Jews - when your entire family is wiped out and the attacks keep coming over and over and over by foreigners of different religions, nationalism and religious zealotry tend to get ratcheted up.
Had the Ottoman Empire not been carved up so foolishly, had we not tolerated Saudi Wahhabism, or the violent excesses of colonial, expansionist, apartheid Israel - had we not killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MUSLIMS IN WARS FOR OIL, THE PETRODOLLAR, and the jewish state... We'd live in a much different world.
I don't care what they believe or should believe will be their reward in the here after. The fact is FAR too many of them are using it as motivation or motivation for others to commit acts of violence and terrorism against non-Muslims. YOU need to read the Pew research on attitudes of Muslims towards terrorism. If even 20% of 1.2 Billion have sympathy for or support violence, and 2% to 5% are prepared to act, then there is no such thing as Islamophobia - it is a VALID FEAR. At this point, I just want to say that you and your fellow travels/ilk make me angry and sick. The best word for you is "appologist".
If 2% to 5% of Lutherans stood ready to commit acts of violence to advance their religion, and 20% of them had sympathy or supported that, I'd be afraid of them also. But no, it is Islam and Islam alone that justifies such violence.
All should read the post by Saleem Smith here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/jihad-watch-hate-mail-bag-people-will-...
Trascript Below
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Saleem Smith says
October 22, 2015 at 3:52 am
The Islamic texts are saturated with Jew hatred. People that send poisonous emails to Jihad Watch like the psycho above clearly find a kindred spirit in Muhammad the prophet of Islam.
We ex-Muslims living with Islam’s formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that Islam is a complete fraud and Muhammad the prophet of Islam a murderous madman.
Muhammad killed thousands of Jews during his wretched life. And Muslims are told over and over again in the Qur’an and elsewhere that Muhammad’s behavior is to be emulated. Mohammedanism is sick stone-age cult, not an admirable modern religion.
Qur’an, 33:21
There is a good example in God’s apostle for those of you who look to God and the Last Day and remember God always.
The Sira is a record of the life (a biography) of the Islamic prophet. Due to the fact that Islamic apologists are now attempting to whitewash the life of Muhammad, it is best to read the original biographies. Ibn Ishaq’s (d. 773 AD) The Life of Muhammed, translated by Professor Alfred Guillaume has historically been considered the authoritative version of Muhammad’s life story.
One of Muhammad’s worst crimes, which set a tragic precedent, was his slaughter of the Jewish tribe of Banu Quraiza. The Banu Quraiza were the last of the three Jewish tribes living in and around Yathrib that Muhammad and his followers massacred when Muhammad had finally achieved the power and control that he had long sought. Through Muhammad’s trademark deceit, he instigated a war between the Muslims and the Jewish tribe of Banu Quraiza. Once he had savagely defeated them, Muhammad ordered all of the males who had reached the age of maturity (grown pubic hair) to be killed. Trenches were dug, the men were beheaded, their bodies were thrown in the trench and the trench was covered over with dirt. The women and children were enslaved and the wealth of Banu Quraiza was divided among the Muslim fighters.
Here is an excerpt from The Life of Muhammed (page 464) documenting the incident:
‘Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.’
Verse 33 Chapter 26 of the Qur’an mentions the massacre:
‘He brought down from their strongholds those who had supported them from among the people of the book (the Jews of Banu Quraiza) and cast terror into their hearts, so that you slew some and others you took captive.’
At least 75% of the Sira (biographies of Muhammad and quotes attributed to him) is about jihad.
The largest part of the Islamic texts (the Qur’an, hadith and sira) relate to the treatment of unbelievers, kafirs. Approximately 67% of the Qur’an written in Mecca is about the unbelievers, or politics. Of the Qur’an of Medina, 51% is devoted to the unbelievers.
Mohammed preached his religion for 13 years and garnered only 150 followers. But when he turned to politics and war, in 10 years time he became the first ruler of Arabia by averaging an event of violence every 7 weeks for 9 years. His success did not come as a religious leader, but as a political leader.
Statistical analysis of the Bukhari hadith (considered by Muslims to be the most authentic of the hadith collections) show that Muhammad repeatedly speaks of jihad. In Bukhari, 97% of the jihad references are about war, and 3% are about the inner struggle. So the statistical answer is that jihad is 97% war and 3% inner struggle.
There are 146 references to Hell in the Qur’an. Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings ” murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a political crime.
Islam is no “religion of peace”. Islam is primarily a religion of “injustice, intolerance, hatred, and violence.” The fact is, if we non-Muslims were to say about Muslims what the Qur’an says about us, we would be arrested for hate speech. The Qur’an largely preaches discrimination, death, and imposition of its dogma on everyone. Certainly some Muslims will be offended by such statements, but frankly, so what? Judaism and Christianity, the world’s two other major monotheistic religions, have had to face the harshest of scrutiny and criticism for several hundred years which continues to this day. Islam must not be granted any special privileges or be exempt from such treatment – the implications are of tremendous importance.
Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:
“One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…
The statement continues,
Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”
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GAO, Truth is spoken with your post, and I don't understand why more disbelieve, than research to see you speak truth. That way is here now, seeking the spark to light up their religion, and start our nightmares here in the USSA. Satan is the author, Muhammad his disciple, all people who seek evil, come to him.
Truth spoken.
Wow. No violence in the Torah/OT though, right?
Take a stroll through Deuteronomy or Joshua, or perhaps the recent 'the kings torah' published by Israeli rabbis.
And Christians and Jews havent killed far, far more muslims in the past decade than the reverse, right?
Angry and sick? Maybe thats due to perpetually ignoring most of the violence in the world and focusing ONLY on the violence and hate surely present in the religion of the people who have been on the receiving end of American and Israeli bombs for decades?
Just a thought.
You hate muslims and you whitewash christian and jewish barbarity and hate and THAT - makes you a disingenuous cunt.
http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/killing-civilians/
>their beliefs are illogical and absurd.
This demands a list for side by side comparisons...
Curiously, I was unaware the Saudis had made this change to ram? aj-jamar?t.
Until 2004, the three jamar?t (singular: jamrah) were tall pillars. After the 2004 Hajj, Saudi authorities replaced the pillars with 26-metre-long (85 ft) walls for safety; many people were accidentally throwing pebbles at people on the other side.
Standard Disclaimer: Everybody must get stoned.
I know, I know - it doesn't matter. Muslims are bad. They're bad. All of them. And unlike Christians and Jews, their beliefs are illogical and absurd.
Supercession is a real problem and cannot be poo-poo'ed away easily. Actually, it is an unabridgeable problem, which means SEPARATION is the only answer.
Supercession in Christianity means that Old Testament is superceeded by New Testament. New Testament overturns old testament so to speak, and new testament advocates peaceful means for the most part.
In Islam, the post Medina phase is much more violent and retrograde than the previous Mecca phase. Supercession in Islam means that what comes later supercedes that which came first. What comes later is MUCH MUCH worse than relative peaceful Mecca phase.
This is a problem deep within Islam, which means Islam cannot be reformed. Wahabbi Sunni Scholars are actually correct when they state their doctrine allows be-heading.
Shia and Suffi's, who are less violent, are CHOOSING to ignore supercession, and hence are picking and choosing the "good" parts of Islam. This is why Wahabbi's consider other branches of Islam as apostates.
Not all muslims are bad, but there is rot at the core, and it is supercession.
Normally you will see me root for Shia's and Persians, but make no mistake, there are big problems within Islam. It has psychopathy encoded/indurated into doctrine, the same as the Talmud.
Mixing muslims into nominal former Christian (now Secular Western) countries is a very bad idea. In Russia, Chechens had to be put down harshly post Beslan Massacres. Putin's forces chased and executed takfiri "terrorists" without mercy. Russian's are realistic about Islam - and adherents to Islam are admonished to behave in a civilized manner, or be ejected from the country.
MEFOBILLS I always love what you have to say, you are very well read and learnt . You say psychopathy is encoded into Islamic doctrine . I have a theory that the extreme trauma of circumcission is designed to trigger psychopathy in infants that may carry that gene or natural inclination , therefore there will always be a ruthless/evil element within any tribe or group of people who practice this abomination. It also gives supreme power to the priestly class in any group with this practice because it is a human power over the most powerfull of natural instincts, the instinct to protect at all costs and if necessary with extreme violence the newborn child from any harm or pain. Try taking a child from any female in this family to do that vile perverted mutilation and see what happens to you , you just as well try taking fresh kill from a hungry pack of lions , the result would be the same. The fact that both parents voluntarily hand over their newborn for this insane act is the ultimate in mind control to this observer. Any thoughts ?
all religions are illogical and absurd :P
None more than the Abrahamic faiths. But - agreed to the extent any 'religion' is dogmatic.
And fwiw, were people bashing christianity and giving islam a pass id be 'defending' christianity.
What you think is worst depends highly on who is trying to kill you. And so far as I know, Muslim states are not organizing and employing Christian terrorists as proxies to fuck up a 7th (8th? 9th?) Christian country in 20 years.
blah blah blah LOL. Want to know what I heard?
"Well the pink unicorn riding fairy that I believe in isn't quite as bad as the blue unicorn riding fairy that they believe in."
You're all nut cases.
Largely agree and great, thoughtful post!
Who cares what these childrens fairey tale books have to say about fictional births. In the real world two of these three cults practice child assault ,child mutilation and sexual assault on babies as young as 8 days old. Insane circumcissionist cults , thats all I need to know about them . Why civilised people even give them the time of day is beyond me
Logged in only to upvote Raymond_K_Hessel for his excellent seal clubbing of the religious fringe lunatic demographic.
Kudos Rayster.
If I start seeing them with Stingers (or similar) on the news, I'll start digging a shelter behind the house.
Yep. Sending in SF "advisors" is all about blunting the Hez-Iran-Russia push. US policy in Syria has been a rolling clusterfuck for years, best to leave Assad alone.
Charlie Wilson's War v2.0 -type stuff?
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes"
-Mark Twain
Winter is coming.
Was there a wedding going on? Oh, wait, that's the Saudi's thing.
Where is the herd of Israel Firster and Latvian trolls to lament the fact ISIS was not victorious?
What time is it in whatever the fuck the capital of Latvia is?
It's Riga. Not sure what time it is though.
It's 5:47 PM in Riga.
They ought to be on their way home from the potato fields about now.
Potato vodka time.
It's always Riga Mortis time in Lativa.
Why a "stiff" drink is needed.
Hessel, friendly advice (for those of us who want to see you stay): You may want to mix up things, so you're not constantly focused on just one target group -- lest they give TD just cause to yank you. :-)
gotchya - appreciated.
fwiw I also dont want to 'be' focused on one group, nor, always having to cover my ass rhetorically with caveats etc.
Good man, yourself, Kirk.
Trust me when I say; "Forward Firing Ordinance is Fucking Cool!"
Its always time for a potato whatever the clock says.
why do you think in terms of money ?
russia can finance this in terms of fuel (which it has) , man power (which it has), food supplies (which it has), technology (which it has)
money is not important
Better yet, this is being run out of the RF army training budget. I read a comment from some high up Russian brass to the effect that this was not even going to need a reallocation of the training budget.
Bear in mind this is just 50 aircraft. These guys run exercises with tens of thousands of men and associated equipment. This is a rounding error on a spreadsheet.
“Allahu Akbar” must mean... We are going to need a lot more virgins...
It's more like OMFG.
since we are doing the perpetual war thing can we just switch football and any 2016 presidential garbage to live-action, first-person combat?
Itll be a nice distraction for the poors.
jesus, those dudes were not ISIS and they were shouting snackbar out of happiness/gladness that Ivan was jacking ISIS up - just to be clear.
Does anyone doubt that the primary goal of the US, Israel {mentioned very little - but their support of Al Qaeda and ISIS in direct terms exceeds Saudi Arabia's} and S.A. is to flood Syria with anti-aircraft munitions?
Which Ivan surely knows.
Fortunately for him he can drop munitions from higher than the anti-aircraft missiles already supplied to "ISIS"
At what point does Saudi Arabia itself come into play?
One pit of vipers at a time.
First clear the Rebels.
Then ISIS.
Then Golan Heights.
Then move your cleaning crew to Iraq, and start sweeping up there.
THEN, maybe start to look at SA.
One hopes Lebanon requests Russian troops.
Because Bibi, Likud, and the rest of the right-Zionist nuts certainly intend to try, try again.
The missile fired harmlessly into a field still seems to work - mostly because the media is largely controlled by Zioturds.
Russia has started bombing ISIS targets in the Golan - the ISIS troops that are reserving territory for Israel.
The plan was for the IDF to take out ISIS and take over the land for security reasons. By 'take out', I mean the IDF would phone their ISIS buddies a few hours in advance, allowing them to move out of the releravant area ready to rinse and repeat nearby.
Fuck u Israel.
+1000
Is the Israeli Prime Minister Insane? Adolf, Amin and Bibi
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/30/is-the-israeli-prime-minister-ins...
Yeah, I thought from their tone that it sounded like they thought the strike was funny as Hell. I know I'd be just as happy if I saw Russian attack helicopters taking out the terrorists around here...
SA can't field shit for an army. Heck, Saudis probably hire Filipinos or Bangladeshis to carry their packs for them.
Seems that Iran and Russia just got their asses handed to them in the fight for Aleppo though. Not only were the Iranians/Russians routed, ISIS actually gained ground! I do love watching a bunch of assholes beat each other up though.
I saw something that said they had retaken the city, but not how.
There's been very little activity in the city itself. SAA & allied offensive focused on the southern Aleppo countryside in an attempt to start pushing towards the M5, however all they managed was to capture a few small settlements until fierce resistance halted the offensive and in some places pushed it back. There's been some action north of Aleppo with limited success for SAA, nothing major or particularly interesting. Meanwhile ISIS attacked Assad's only supply route linking his southern territories and Aleppo, as of two days ago they hold some checkpoints and are busy laying mines and IED's to make it difficult for the SAA to recapture the checkpoints and continue supply runs.
So we are 30 days into this campaign. How much progress have they really made?
Very little. Assad's government is no longer in mortal danger so the Russian intervention achieved that goal, but other than that the campaign has been a disappointment for those who expected quick results. The SAA doesn't seem to have the manpower necessary to crush their enemies on any front, even with Russian air support. I guess we can hope that they are doing enough damage to grind down the enemy and its material so that gains will improve over time.
It is hard to find 6-7 recruits here and there; that will take some time, but not two years.
dont entirely disagree, but couple things:
"ISIS" is largely foreign mercs. Not all of these people are looking to meet Allah - many, perhaps even most are in fact there for a paycheck.
Attrition is going to get some of these folks.
Also - the Syrian people are mostly behind Assad.
Also - there are Lebanese, Chechen, Iraqi, and Iranian forces on the ground.
While Russia does not control the skies because the US/NATO are present - illegally {but we should simply concede the law does not apply to the US or Israel and we live in a world where the Saudis chair the HR council...sigh}
neither does the US.
And Israel is less free to bomb SAA forces to help ISIS, which they did over and over...
with zero press coverage in the US.
Shirley, you must be referring to Congress and the Democrat/Republican elections
Proof?
You Poles couldn't fight your way out of a potato sack.
The Russians liberated your from those "evil" krauts that ran over you like a drunk at a OSU homecoming tailgate party.
Actually, the Poles were fucked by their leadership back then, kinda like we are now, and then both Germany and the USSR tag teamed them. They had some great, smart fighters (despite the anti-Pole propaganda of cavalry charge against tanks).
The Polish PM at the time, Beck, was a belligerant idiot. His predecessor, whose name I don not recall, was actually rational and was working with Germany to smooth over their differences and make beneficial trade deals. After the US and Britian got to Beck with their BS, Beck turned Poland agaisnt Germany and turned a blind eye to the outright slaughter of ethnic Germans. The Pollish military had visions fo taking Berlin iin two weeks. Germany appealed to the League of Nations to intervene and stop the slughter, but recieved no resonse. Germany had a moral duty to save their people ffrom slaughter. Russia got half of Poland and Poles were rushing to the west to surrender to the Germans - the rest is history.
Are you just making this shit up on the fly?
Next thing you will tell us is that Hitler was a great humanitarian but misunderstood.
Yes Poland had visions of taking Berlin, because any country that just gained its independence after couple of hundred years thirst for conquest.
I suppose that the Czechs were also going to march on Berlin and Germany was in extreme danger.
And of course all that German military military equipment got shitted out of unicorn's ass and not a result of years of build up in preparation for war.
Hitler was every bit the genocidal racist piece of shit they say he is and I despise efforts to minimize that, but one must always consider that history is written by the victors.
Poles may well have been killing some Germans in areas that were formerly Germany proper but maybe not. Germany lost a lot of industrial capacity (and German pop.) and they likely wanted to find a pretext to retake what had been given to Poland. In the early 30s Germany was disarmed which may have made belligerent Polish rhetoric less unlikely as it seems, but i am not prepared to sift through piles of bad sources to fnd out..
However, consider the Katyn Forest Massacre - the germans discovered the mass graves, invited in press and red cross. Fairly well documented and timeline wise - clearly the work of the Bolsheviks (nkvd - largely staffed with Jews and other non-Russian minorities).
Yet in the US, news reels and newspapers blamed the germans. For decades. Deliberate lies contrary to evidence.
And the Nuremburg trials - bad evil fucks who were subjected to torture, and a kangaroo court. Revenge posing as justice, which one might be prepared to forgive, I understand - but how much of what they reported was false? Douglas Reed and others largely had their careers destroyed - probably for divulging inconvenient truths.
And broadly - how curious that the UK and France declared war on germany when germany invaded poland, largely areas that had been german a grneration before, but not bolshevik russia, which invaded 10 or so days later, and which came to occupy the whole thing, and several other states after the war?
Both world wars were very largely about the British Empire fearing German economic might, whether or not the tales about Hitler chasing out the moneylenders is bullshit.
Very happy to read any criticism or corrections to the above - the above is just my thoughts/understanding. I am very skeptical of 'revisionism' but also skeptical of what makes it into the schoolbooks.
Where'd you get this bs from? If this was for real Obama and MSM would be having a hard on and field day ny now. You must be another troll of Obama.
get israel in there somehow, once they stop getting stabbed by Palestinians LOL
they're the biggest assholes of all, not the pople trying to rub out the terrorists.
why DOESN'T israel help Russia?
Because israel is aiding and abetting these criminals.
PROOF? no one is getting their asses handed to them except ISIS.
Looks like we are out sourcing the TROLLS as well. Hyjinx; are you from India or Philippians?
Poland.
Look at his comments.
It's quite clear he's a Polack drinking from the NATO koolaid.
Funny, the US won every battle in Vietnam, but still lost the war and had the asses handed to them big time.
Putin is no community community organizer or Chicago machine politician.
The Russians lost millions of people fighting wars.
Hitler and Napoleon underestimated their toughness.
They won't make the same mistakes they made in Afghanistan.
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...one needs to approach Kremlin agitprop with the same degree of skepticism as one employs when assessing the American media...
And one needs to regard Russian intervention into foreign conflicts to expand its empire with the same degree of repulsion.
No, you don't.
Russia is present at the invitation of the government of Syria, surely to protect its own interests first and foremost, but also to kill the armies of mostly foreign psychopath mercs armed and supplied by Israel, the US, and S.A.
Your assessment is fucking absurd.
Stupid or troll?
I'm not either. Everyone leave the middle-east and just toss the ammo and they will take care of itself.
We've already done that. Forget the 50 ton air drop already?
I'd drop a shitload of weed and xtc, Croc. Or get it in the water - that and estradiol/estrogens
Better living through chemistry, brother.
Those muzzies need XTC worse than anyone on the planet. Everyone should take it ONCE.
My, quite the fascist knee-jerk reaction from this crowd. Law, order, state, authority, snap tall and salute the flag or be bombed? If so, disappointing.
I believe not in governments, but in individual rights. So in my view conflicts occurring within Syria over who the Syrian people living there want to govern are their own business. Apparently a fair number of Syrians don't like Assad very much, for some reason:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Syria
Syrian governance is a Syrian people affair. Not a Bashar al-Assad and his cronies affair. Not a U.S. affair. Not a Russian affair. Not a <insert foreign power here> affair.
The U.S. should pull out of the middle east entirely as should Russia:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-05/ron-paul-i-wish-nobody-was-bomb...
I find that when people misuse the term 'fascist,' they tend to misread events, as well. Jmo.
My understanding is Syria was long stable and secure and modern even if ruled by a strongman who no doubt 'tortured some folks' unlike the Americans, Brits, or Israelis. I didnt live there though so I dont know - but only a fool would prefer Sunni Islamists to Dr. Assad, and only a fool would not wonder how much of his 'new new Hitler' bloody image is in fact exaggerated or fabricated by the same cunts who use lies to facilitate any number of long-desired wars for oil, profit, or Greater Israel.
Ps wikipedia? Are you quite serious, Sir?
Agreed, liberals wantonly slap the label "fascism" onto whatever they don't like. However, my use of "fascism" here accurately conforms to the dictionary definition "exalts nation above the individual."
If pro-forma stability is your metric, in the vein of emphasizing the seen at the expense of the unseen, then yes, authoritarian rule can maximize that kind of stability. Living at gunpoint is stable - you just do what you are told. The streets in North Korea are very quiet, with no messy dissent. China uses 5-year plans and fixed currency rates. The old Soviet Russia kept wheat prices at constant levels. I have no doubt Assad rule has kept Syria stable in many such ways.
Now you and I in our armchairs half a world way may opine that nevertheless, an Assad autocracy would make a better regime than Sunni Islamist rule....for our way of life and values. If it were our lives and property at stake. But it's not. It's the Syrian people's lives and property at stake and it is their choice what path to follow. Neither you, nor I live there, share their culture, religion, or values. Neither you, nor I may dictate to Syrians who their rulers should be any more than they may dictate to you or me who our rulers should be.
Even mainstream sources can get some things right. If you feel it an important point of dispute, I could invest the time to dig up more impressive sources than Wikipedia that outline the abuses of the Assad family's 45-year grip on power. I hope we can stipulate that Assad, like his father is no angel, to put it mildly. Many Syrians have good cause to want a change, even if that means some of the "chaos" necessarily involved choosing a different structure of government.
Mr.Ignorant Russia is there after Syrian govt request for help in accordance with International Laws. I guess you muritards have grown so thick that it makes you mad seeing someone following rules and destroying your assets. US is violating international Law and now they stepped up their game of law violation by allowing boots on ground without taking Syrian governemnt position . Let that sink in.
Crime of Aggression against Humanity with no statute of limitations and 'just following orders' not acceptable mitigation?
All courtesy of the US* at Nuremburg. Karma is a bitch.
* - Churchill didn't want no stinkin' trial, just the executions.
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Come on ZH - is that the best video you could find.
If you like hearing "Alah Aquabar" yelled out along with amazing quality video of brave Russians flying long, low and completely unchallenged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfixnxELdrI
The video says, "extremely low flying," but I didn't think they meant that low.
Those chopper pilots have giant-brass balls, but it is safer down in the weeds, at least from SAMs, if not from golden BBs, but that is what all the armor is for on those flying tanks.
You get a snackbar! You get a snackbar! Snackbars for EVERYBODY!
A video of great historical importance. One of the classic images of this conflict that'll be in every documentary.
That helicopter is a nasty bastard! It will "tune-up" a Toyota pickup faster than a Nascar pit crew..
This is the NYT take:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/world/obama-will-send-forces-to-syria-...
At some point, it would be great to see a sort of meta-analysis of corporate MSM coverage - what foxcnnabccbsnbc - the big 5 - say, what the largest 10 papers say - and how.
study the language and terminology.
Because all conspiracy theories and canards aside - the story the corporate MSM tells is not only different from what I read here, and in the foreign press -but *fundamentally* different.
I don't doubt Russian media is happy to lie to me to - but my sense is they have a vested interest in being more honest than the US has.
Why the fuck is the US in Syria?
It isn't to help Qatar build a pipeline though miles of hostile and Balkanized enemy territory and on to Europe where it will compete with the gas and oil Israel plans to steal and sell to Europe itself. Yes, weaken Russia but you havde to be a borderline moron to look at a map, and figure it made sense to launch this massive terrorist proxy war rather than - build around, bribe the guy, etc.
No - its not about Qatari pipelines.
Next?
It's Oden Yinon. Everything else is bullshit to distract from that inconvenient truth.
The US establishment is a Zionist controlled entity, therefore doing Zionist work. It took them a few weeks to get back on message after being thrown off script by Russia, but in the MSM uniformity of opinion is back on point and there appears to be little to no opposition that we have to "do something" because "our guys are fighting for their lives".
I believe an independent US establishment washes it's hands of this clusterfuck, rather than engage in a proxy war with Russia which given the current situation, could explode out of control in a heartbeat.
Average AmeriKans don't give a fuck Russia is killing terrorists.
It is multifaceted. There is the pipeline which strengthen's a US ally, weakens Russia, and provides more opportunities for bribing people. You also have to account for the "Clean Break" plan that calls for Israel's Arab neighbors to be divided just as we've seen in Iraq, Syria, and North Africa (almost word for word with the plan). Then there is the immediate economic benefits of selling arms and ancillary war fighting gear to everyone. On top of all that, the entire fiasco can be used as a distraction from, say, things being done on the domestic front. Turkey's government also benefits in that they can use the chaos to bomb and kill Kurds while ensuring an election victory for Erdogan's party. Israel has been getting cheap black market oil from the Kurds during all of this. Iran would lose an ally and conduit (Assad) to Lebanon. Lots of Shia and Christians have been massacred. White, supposedly Christian, Europe is being overrun with dark non-Christians.
There are so many benefits to this plan that even if Assad wins it will have been worth it. Lord Rothschild approves of this and drinks of toast of virgin child's blood to celebrate.
You also have to account for the "Clean Break" plan that calls for Israel's Arab neighbors to be divided just as we've seen in Iraq, Syria, and North Africa (almost word for word with the plan).
I thought it was called "Hornets Nest"?
I *think* hornets nest is related to bush's 'redirection' (well, cheneys and wolfowitz and perle, wurmser, etc)
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2012/05/sunni-extremists-ravaging-syri...
Which is related to 'rebuilding americas defenses' which was the repackaging, for the american goyim, of 'a clean break...securing the realm' (where the realm was the undefined borders of the 'land of israel') which, apparently, was merely an update to this Oded Yinon plan which Id never heard of until reading a link here actually.
Basics are killing lots of Arabs and destroying them as military or economic rivals to a future, larger israel.
Israel could not possibly do this without america, but its not all about a 'zionist hijacking' - surely for guys like Cheney the petrodollar and war profiteering plays a major role.
Then theres the much discussed "grand Chessboard" unipolar world thing. Zbig. b. Has talked about arguing with the neocons (basically militarists motivated by Israel) that russia should be targeted first because then syria and iran would be primed to fall but, you certainly have Zionist neocons involved very very heavily in the ukraine coup, and the same neocons who wanted the iraq war, mostly for israel, and neocon propaganda outlets like the WaPost and NYT (which is a bloody joke on ukraine) are very much part of the war on russia and the shirtless one.
I dunno - why not call them all militarists or hyperinterventionists. People who want to send americans to die in needless wars for specious, even traitorous reasons?
I am amazed that not one Of these people, cheney, zbig, wolfowitz, etc has been shot by someone affected by their warmongering and profiteering.
Bidens son is now on the board of a ukraine gas company and cheney oens a piece of an oil company drilling in the golan - just examples/reminders that war is always very profitable for a very few.
A handful of bullets could do wonders to save thousands of lives, huh? Not advocating, of course. I advocate masive peaceful protests, but apparently the chemical cocktails in the food/water and/or bread and circuses provided by 6 mega corps largely, it is empirically true, owned/managed/written by 'Zionists' ensures that too few care enough for that, even, to happen.
+1.
The world is run by sociopaths... but really, probably under 1,000 of them.
If only the people of the world below the "superstructure" of governments* could get together to arrest them all.
*I took a seminar in Marxism once, and while I'm not a Marxist - some of the stuff on government/state is really excellent stuff. Even Marx is very worth reading - much better/clearer writer than most philosophers. Marcuse's "One Dimensional Man" is an arduous climb, but I'd put it somewhere, anyway, on the libertarian reading list.
Could be about H2O...
"bribe the guy" ... I am surely not the fly on the wall of Assad's conference room where he has all his meetings and takes all his important calls. So I could not possibly know what is going on there. However, it is possible he just hates the western jew beast, because that is all the uSa and Europe are anymore, just jewlandia. So maybe on that basis, he doesn't want to cooperate.
my guess is isis are hired guns, funded by oil sales, to destabalize the region to install puppet regimes to facilitate the geographic expansion of 'israel', which is part of a long term (very long term) zionist objective. western leaders since the days of Lloyd George and Mssr Balfour, Woodrow Wilson, and so many that have followed, have for some reason listened very attentively to their jewish tutors, and for reasons that are not formally clear used their positons of power in their civil governments to advance the zionist interest in re the zionist plans for the middle east. These 'leaders' were 100% blue blood gentiles, and at no time was there any traceable national interest to provide the twisted, aggressive and ambitious zionists the support they craved.
Maybe they just wanted to get rid of the jews, stupidly assuming that if they paved the way for them in Palestine, the jews would all leave the west, once and for all, and go back to their 'holy' land. Maybe they did it based on some religious conviction, and were sold on the idea by *christian* zionist preachers, with their own absurd 'biblical' ideas on the matter. Or maybe they did it for money, or maybe as a result of blackmail and/or extortion, perhps death threats - after all, look at what the jews did to the Russian Royal Family in 1917, murdered in cold blood.
I suspect there is talk in private between these zionist demons and western 'leaders' "you better do what we want, or we will totally f* you and your country in a heartbeat" - and these punks can deliver on that threat easily. Via the fed res system, the central bank, which is a private bank, it can simpy decide to let trillions of bonds expire and not repurchase, extending the maturity. This would crash the markets in one day.
the zionist jew dirtbags have the west by the ball$. In my view, this is why the west is in 'Syria' and evrywhere else over there.
Shalom
The real story behind the Zionist scumbags is this following story, it puts a whole new perspective on all the dirty little wars.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/26/genies-and-genocide-syria-israel-russi...
Wow.
I am sure Fox and CNN and the NYT will rush to inform Americans about this.
Except ... The US is the jews.
As an AmeriKan, I certainly have no problem with Russia teaming up with Iran, Iraq, Syria and Hezbollah and killing off as many of these fucks as possible. You would think the israeli stooges would be happy about it too, and the AmeriKan establishment...after all, Obammo said we've been bombing them for over a year, this means Russia's participation is helping us immensely...right?
That would have made sense in more reasonable times.
how can you shoot women and children.
ez, you just don't leed them as much.
"Hell is the impossibility of reason." That's what this place feels like. Hell.
CNN will dutifully report that they hit a Baby Milk Plant, a shelter for Blind Puppies and some Grandmothers playing Bocce Ball.
In the Spratley's the U.S. is war mongering, but in Syria Russia is earning, and I quote, "military glory."
Yeah okay. Whatever.
This is just bad trolling.
Syria, faced with lots of foreign jihadi murdering nutjobs - requested help from Russia, its longstanding ally.
Are you a fucking idiot?
Can you read a map or are you a fucking idiot? Or how about a history book, dumbass? The Philippines is our long-standing ally. World War II? Japan's "Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere"? The Bataan Death March? Ring a bell? Meanwhile Vietnam, their own fellow Commie state, has already exchanged shots with China over its bald-faced and illegal incursion off their shores.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/26/genies-and-genocide-syria-israel-russi...
take the cock out of your mouth, Susan. It is unbecoming.
US hasn't ratified Freedom of Navigation but dictating everyone to follow it . How ironic.
In Syria, Russia was actually 'invited.' There's your difference.
Glory is a shit pile...
Get some, Vlad!
How long can the Russians afford this? Quite a while as long as they do not pay half a billion to contractors to train 5 'fighters' - and don't para drop tons of ammo into the middle of the desert.
As for their troops - I am sure this type of 'ad' might help recruit a few willing to do this:
Fly the latest high tech Russian planes and Helicopters and fire live weapons at ISIS targets - or stay home and practice on your simulators.
Must be willing to endure winter temperatures of 60 degrees (above zero) - or stay home and measure the snowfall at your base.
Visit exotic Middle East women who are lonely because the Syrian men have fled to the EU - or stay home and eat stuffed cabbage.
Yeah but that half billion adds to GDP, stimulates the economy and creates corporate profits. What pisses me off is those 5 guys who got the jobs are foreigners. Those jobs should go to Americans. There are a lot of sons and daughters of Christian Zionists who are unemployed and could use that work. If these jobs are like other private contrator jobs in the ME, they probably pay about 300 grand a year. I might even take one of those. Besides, who cares about debt -we have about $80 trillion in current and unfunded future debt and it hasn't slowed us down a bit. Our friggin kids can pay it off someday-or maybe we can just default on it. An asteroid may destroy our planet -Fukishima or nuclear war may wipe us out. I say carpe diem -seize the day -party on. It's worked so far -for a lot of people anyway.
Russia are using their toxic US dollar reserves to pay for it - so essentially the US is paying - as it should be - If China get involved they will do the same !
Boo hoo! That was my snack bar!
Allah cadaver!
This is how we russians with ISIS on our side will win those syrian rebels, kurds supported by US.
Retard your skills are quiet pathetic. Shove your kool-aid up your arse.
Lay off the substances.
Especially green potatos.
Make it rain!!!!!
Start the video in the next post at about 0.58, some serious bangs and flying munitions.
The Ukrainian army has been up to its usual tricks. There has been a fire and a massive series of explosions at a weapons store at Svatovo in the far west of Lugansk oblast. The store held about 3500 tons of weapons including smersh and uragan MLRS. About 480 homes nearby have been evacuated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9brOiT86EM
The cause of the fire? A Ukraine Army Officer accidentally fired several RPG rounds into a fuel storage container!
Ukraine is curiously absent, all of a sudden from EVERY news channel and paper.
Which would tend to make me think Kiev is massacring some folks.
Ebola suddenly stopped being contagious and no one else died or is dying as well.
home loan fraud, fed buying bad debt no longer an issue either, as well as bankrupt municipalities, unfunded liabilities student loan debts consumer debts or auto loans debts or the daily gang immigrant gang murder toll.
Print like yo life depended on it bitches!
Because it doz
THEY GONNA PRINT!
home loan fraud, fed buying bad debt no longer an issue either, as well as bankrupt municipalities, unfunded liabilities student loan debts consumer debts or auto loans debts or the daily gang immigrant gang murder toll.
Print like yo life depended on it bitches!
Because it doz
THEY GONNA PRINT!
they can do nothing but.......
PRINTPRINTPRINTPRINTPRINTPRINTPRINTPRINTPRINTPRINT
McCain would be so proud of them
Porkoshanko is busy trying to sell SAM-8 / 9 to ISIS via Saudi-Arbaia / Turkey middlemen. Some things are more important to oligarchs than killing.
They have sold most of the ammo on the black market and now are erasing any trace left. Go figure how much was there and how much exploded.
Y'know... When they're shouting "Allah Akbar" there. It really just sound to me like they're shouting "Jeezus Christ" the way one might when caught very much by surprise.
No, it is a compulsive behaviour. They cannot have one sentence without saying it.
OMG! OMG! OMG!
...does that sound familiar?!
With a Valley Girl accent? Perfect.
Quick, get out of the car and point shit at it!
Stop the attacks. Save the goats.
WTF??!! This shit ain't allah ok! it's Russian Ingenuity...it doesn't just get spit out of allah's ass
Amazing how all this started back in the eighty's with Kuwait simply stealing oil from Iraq. Enter the USA, UK and France and voila, thirty years later it's a full fledged religious war.
They have changed the music so many times no one knows what the hell is going on. They have put out so much BS that no one even cares,,, until that first bright flash of light,,, then it's too late to care,,, then it really won't matter!
Ain't it the truth. And we're still siding with the royal oligarchs.
"we"
BBBWWWAAAAHHHAA!!!!
But you're in Moscow -- so who exactly is this "we" you rattle on about?
So the ISIS strategy to send condoms filled with helium into the sky with small mines attached to them didn't work this time? LOL
Nothing happens in Syrian air without Israel's permission, Putin was greenlighted by Netanyahoo, Israel has always played both sides, they have their own agenda (selling weapons, race litigation, rent revenue and natonal debt income, war is great for creditors)
'Nothing happens in Syrian air without Israel's permission'
Russia does not ask Israel's permission to fly in its allies skies.
If anything, they politely informed Israel that there would be no more acting as ISIL's air force.
This is not Russian overreach....they learned their lesson well in the collapse of the Soviet Union.
But it is going to become another U.S. overreach / quagmire, because, imagine the costs of waging war half way around the world, with an already over-stretched military, weak currency and weak leaders!
Cool....