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Obama, Kerry Throw In The Towel: US Prepared To Accept Assad Regime In Syria
John Kerry is back in Vienna today as Washington and its regional allies attempt to forge some kind of face-saving deal that won’t result in absolute humiliation with regard to the conflict in Syria.
Kerry held talks last week with his “friends” from Russia, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia in an effort to begin working towards a diplomatic solution. Washington’s top diplomat pledged to keep the lines of communication open and in a notable shift, this week’s talks include Iran. Washington and Riyadh had previously refused to consent to Tehran’s participation but given the fact that Iranian soldiers and Iran-backed militias are doing most of the fighting on the ground, excluding them ultimately became impossible.
As we reported late last month in “US Syria Strategy Officially Unravels: Kerry Admits Timetable For Assad Exit Is Completely Unknown”, Washington has been forced to completely abandon its hardline stance on the ouster of Bashar al-Assad. What was once an unequivocal “Assad must go” policy had by late September morphed into an admission that the timetable for regime change in Syria is now completely indeterminate thanks to Russia and Iran’s stepped up efforts to rout rebels and militants on the way to bolstering government forces.
Now, even the Western media have been forced to admit that Moscow and Tehran have effectively compelled the US to abandon the idea that Syria will soon be governed by a Western puppet. Here’s WSJ:
The Obama administration entered a crucial round of international talks on Syria’s war prepared to accept a deal that leaves President Bashar al-Assad in place for several months or more during the transition to a new government.
The U.S. shift on the dictator’s future caps months of backtracking on the most significant obstacle to a resolution of the Syrian conflict. While U.S. officials once argued Mr. Assad couldn’t take part in a political transition, they have gradually eased that stance, eventually signaling he wouldn’t have to step down immediately. Now they are planning to negotiate the question of his future in talks being held Friday in Vienna.
The White House hasn’t publicly set a time frame for Mr. Assad’s departure to give U.S. negotiators room to maneuver in the Vienna talks, officials said.
Well, no. The White House “hasn’t publicly set a time frame for Mr. Assad’s departure” because Mr. Assad isn’t likely to depart unless Moscow decides that’s the best course. Anyway, back to WSJ:
in advance of negotiations, administration officials discussed a resolution with U.S. allies, including Turkey, that would allow Mr. Assad to remain in place after a cease-fire in the 4½-year conflict.
The resolution the U.S. is seeking would include a cease-fire and would “not prejudge the Assad question,” a senior administration official said.
The approach reflects new realities imposed in Syria by Russia and Iran, which have intensified military operations to bolster Mr. Assad. It also follows recent challenges faced by the American-led fight against Islamic State.
Russia and Iran are taking part in Friday’s conference, along with Mr. Assad’s Arab adversaries. In all, the meeting brings together more than a dozen European and Middle Eastern foreign ministers. The inclusion of Iran represents a change after the U.S. and Saudi Arabia blocked Tehran’s participation previously.
Russia and Iran have demanded Mr. Assad retain power. America’s Arab allies are demanding a clear timeline for when Mr. Assad would step down, U.S. and Arab officials said.
So once again, say what you will about Assad, but the reality is this: Washington, Riyadh, Ankara, and Doha are “demanding” that the West be able to dictate who runs a sovereign country while Moscow and Tehran are insisting that it isn’t up to the West.
But thanks to the fact that the US is fighting via proxies while Russia and Iran are involved directly, Washington has no bargaining power (something else we were keen on emphasizing as soon as Russia began flying sorties from Latakia):
Secretary of State John Kerry, who arrived in Vienna on Thursday, intensified discussions in recent weeks with Mr. Assad’s biggest opponents, including Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar, to try to gain their support for a diplomatic resolution that would allow the Syrian dictator to stay in power during a transition, these officials said.
The U.S. wields limited influence on the battlefield, making it critical for Washington to persuade those three countries and others to join in the effort because of the power they exercise over the rebel groups they support.
Yes, the "rebel groups they support", rebel groups otherwise known as Sunni extremists who The White House wants you to believe are to varying degrees "moderate" with al-Nusra (i.e. al-Qaeda) on the "moderate" end of the "stark raving mad" continuum, and ISIS on the "extreme" end. But as we outlined in "'Proxy' War No More: Qatar Threatens Military Intervention In Syria Alongside "Saudi, Turkish Brothers," Washington's regional allies aren't yet ready to throw in the towel and it could well be that rather than concede to the preservation of Iran's "Shiite crescent," Saudi Arabia and Qatar will turn Syria into Yemen with a sequel to Operation "Decisive Storm":
The U.S. diplomacy is placing the Arab states and Turkey in a bind, as many of them have provided significant arms and funding to the largely Sunni rebel forces seeking to overthrow Mr. Assad.
Saudi Arabia, in particular, has publicly criticized Russia’s military intervention in Syria, arguing it could strengthen Mr. Assad and Shiite-dominated Iran, his closest Middle East ally.
The critical question now is whether the US is about to lose control of its "friends" in the region. That is, Washington is once again dabbling in the Sunni-Shiite divide and that is a dangerous game to play. It could well be that even if The White House elects to call it a day on the Assad ouster plans, Saudi Arabia and Qatar will decide to go it alone in order to keep Tehran from cementing its regional influence.
If that happens, Washington will have to choose between supporting Riyadh and avoiding a war between NATO and the Russians.
In other words, if you thought The South China Sea episode was a gut check for the Pentagon, "you ain't seen nothin' yet."
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another lost war...
Putin on the Blitz. Fucked them all up.
KTFO
(Boxing term)
I called it a month ago.
Didn't ZeroHedge predict this back in September?
Tyler Durden September 30, 2015: "Preserving the global balance of power means preserving the Assad regime..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6fJlEfc4V4&feature=youtu.be&t=1m14s
What will save you in the coming clusterfuck? Silver Lead and Bitcoin
<insert Tom Hanks 'Money Pit' laugh here>
Fuck Obama and Kerry. Bringing that weak sauce up against Putin. Did they not learn their lesson in Ukraine/Crimea? Putin is a man of action, does what he says and plays WAY out in front of these stooges.
And Putin did it starting from an INFERIOR position with FEWER RESOURCES.
Putin: 2
Obama: 0
It'll probably be 3-zip by the time Obama leaves office (if he leaves office).
Still not CONvinced he's leaving.
At least the ISUS fighters will be getting Campaign Medals for their effort...
...and plenty of ammunition, Made in the USA, as a nice parting gift.
Our leaders are so magnanimous allowing a democratically elected administration to exist, whoda thunkit?
Thought Experiment:
What if the USSA cuts a deal with Iran, Iraq, Kurds, and Russia, knowing that they control, by far, the worlds largest oil and gas reserves. Israel will also play a part in this deal, perhaps having the golan heights formally ceded. This means that Saudi Arabia, Quatar and UAE get screwed.
Saudi Arabia's reserve numbers have not been updated for over 25 years, and rumors have it that Ghawar is showing 95% water cuts. So perhaps the Saudi's are running out of oil. This could explain why Saudia Arabia is attacking Yemen, since they share the same pennisula (review a map of the ME)
This wouldn't be the first time the USSA threw their allies under the bus.
Won't happen this time
Babylon must fall
Perhaps we can relocate Babylon in Saudi Arabia. 72% of Americans can't even find the Middle East on a map, much less locate Babylon, so who in Amerika would notice?
We could build public awareness by having the 'new' Babylon tatooed on Kim Kardashian's ample Butt.
Your forgetting Turkey in all of this.
Turkey? Is that what we supposed eat for Thanksgiving?
Besides, with a few billion dollars in bribes and threats of a color revolution, Erodgan will do whatever he is told.
Yes the other Zionist state.
Aren't Kentucky and West Virginia in the Middle East?
If Saudi Arabia and Qatar want to take on Russia, Iran and Syria, go for it. But don't be suprised if the war comes to your shores if you try.
Fuck that. We have a treaty with the Saudis. As much as I hate them, I don't want them attacked, because I don't want the US to get sucked into another war. Let's just say that I wouldn't be the most enthusiastic draftee on that one.
Yamani & Saudi's should have got that one in writing (not that a written promise from Uncle Sam is actually more reliable, but it raises the stakes on their usual MO of being a fair weather friend).
Cruise missiles don't see no shores.
Babylon has fallen. If I recall correctly it was where Baghdad is right now.
it would not solve the tri-partite price war about oil, would it? except if your theory about Saudi Oil is correct, but then explain why they are so involved about prices and market shares
You know, this may be possible.
"Israel wants free trade zone with Eurasian Union ASAP" Tel Aviv intends to clinch the deal on a free trade zone with the Russia-led Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) as soon as possible. The negotiations between Israel and the EEU are being given the "highest priority." "We believe that it has great potential for the Israeli economy, and for the countries of the [EEU]. I believe there is no reason to delay this." Despite the fact that Israel has traditionally been a close US ally, its relationship with Washington has recently deteriorated. At the same time, Moscow and Tel Aviv have reached a mutual understanding on a number of key issues, said Satanovsky. "Israel will fully cooperate with Russia on Syria."
Does this mean that Israel is suddenly trying to leave the sinking ship called USA???
My 12 year old son has asked me, "Dad, what will we do if Obama decides he doens't want to leave office?"
Same kid who, when he was 5, looked at Obama and said, "Dad, can't grownups tell he's lying?"
Awesome.
Yeah, but Putin ain't got a LGBT military like we do!
Obama just loves a man in a uniform, LOL
I think you just bitch slapped him.
Ya, failure by design.
http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/changing-the-%E2%80%9Cmacho%E2%80%9...
Good, this whole was has been an unbelievable lie.
White House, Media Silent One Year After Murder of US Reporter Who Exposed Western Links to ISIS October 20, 2015
One day we are talking troops on the ground the next a settlement, something wrong here. This ain't over anytime soon. Look for control of much ground as possibe from all the players before any agreed settlement.
Refugees, demolished infrastructure, arms/munitions/military equip everywhere, what do the rebels/kurds say, Saudi/Qatar say no (we will sell them many weapons). this will take much longer to repair than destroy. What a mess, get your checkbooks out.
Obviously the US gov is divided on the issue. Obama and those close to him desiring to leave the ME alone as soon as possible, the MIC, Israel and the rest of usual suspects desiring to stuck in as deep as possible. Kerry has always seemed a fool to me, but i am sure that his gaffe with the gas attack affaire was staged.
I'm with Obama. USA needs to regroup his forces to face the many challenges ahead if it does not want to see their influence diminish further. Nothing to gain in the ME, and nothing to lose that has not been lost already.
Don't we have a very porous southern border?
How about regrouping there?
Isn't NATO being invaded? US is part of NATO. How about helping stop the invasion?...... On never mind, they actually want that.
It utterly frustrates me to see our special ops forces used as grunts. Missions the regular army should do, be trained for. Special Ops are a strategic force not to be wasted and degraded on such low level missions. A force weakness that needs immediate attention.
Negotiations are a change in tactics, a "diplomatic offensive". The U.S. goal of conquering Syria remains in place.
What the US says and does are diametrically opposed. Isn't it more likely the US will continue to arm the "moderate" jihadis behind the scenes to keep this region is total disarray?
And how many people died due to this recent round of Washington stupidity?
Slightly OT:
Orban accuses Soros.. We al know Soros and his Open Society Initiative is pushing to cripple Europe the man is obsessed and very dangerous. C'mon reaper do your job!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-30/orban-accuses-soros-of...
Soros is just a meat puppet for the City of London Banksters.
LL he may in fact do their bidding but with billions under his personal control he can do plenty of damage himself. He should be exported back to Hungary in a cage.
Orban has the Hungarian intelligence service working for him.
He should order them to ice Soros and his spawn.
@Calmyourself,
Key little word there at the end...grants.
Exactly how they've captured the whole/hole of this country.
too many. and this without counting all other kinds of misery, and the millions that walked up to central europe
nevertheless: halleluja, finally
"So once again, say what you will about Assad, but the reality is this: Washington, Riyadh, Ankara, and Doha are “demanding” that the West be able to dictate who runs a sovereign country while Moscow and Tehran are insisting that it isn’t up to the West."
and this, interestingly, is another example for the fact that "The West" is not only the US and Europe, but also Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states
too many indeed but i am sure some would say "it was worth it" no matter how many, who was it again Albright?
+10 although stupidity is much too kind.
news papers say, they want Assad gone.
Exactly Reuters and other Arab media were claiming the same even France24 too that Assad isn't a reliable party to hold talks. Hahah what a hypocritic world. Like US Turkey and Saudis are any better. !
I wonder what’s on John McCain’s mind these days. Haven’t heard anything out of him for a while. Starting to miss his psychopathic outbursts.
took Putin 15 days to completely trash the "sole global superpower."
What fucking pathetic pieces of shit obama and kerry are.
US hegemony is about to unravel almost as fast,in geopolitical
terms.
Well played Valdmir.I now have a glimmer of hope that Pax Americana will not end by incinerating the planet.
Still less than a 50% chance though IMO.
Obama and Ketchup Boy have shown the world that they are the real "JV Team"
go Putin!
Obama Must Go.
Now that's "Change" you can "Hope" for.
Do you guys really think it will be any better with the next puppet?
a "stronger" leader would only send more troops, drones & bomb more.
Come on try a little harder, you can see through the red/blue, weak/strong right/left false arguments.
"Obama Must Go."
That's the kind of regime change I support.
another lost war...
At some point you had to run out of dumb moves......
These wars are not meant to win. Sparking another cold war is vicotry alone!
-MIC
As long as the only real goal for war is simply MOAR war, the United States is, duh, winning!
Can we stop with the fucking "regime" tag already? Unless we also speak about the US regime as well.
pods
Well, "sovereign government" would admittedly be more accurate, but it really mucks up the story line.
"regime" is a fitting label for Assad's government, nevertheless. not all words that the MSM use are wrong, grammatically or in other ways
and the weather forecasts have improved, in the last twentyfive years, in inverse correlation with the financial forecasts
" "regime" is a fitting label for Assad's government"
"regime" is a fitting label for most western governments especially the USA.
More fitting
Nope it doesnt if you apologists can deal with other monarch govts then whats the problem with Syrian govt ? Ah priorities Syria is next on target then it will be Iran.
and who is an apologist, here? or a... partisan? am I saying that Saudi Arabia isn't a regime? am I saying that Egypt isn't a regime?
I'm just saying that Syria's government is a regime. I'm not even asking for that regime to be deposed, as Washington was doing, which is the way more relevant matter
in the same way that I was saying that Bush II's attack on Iraq's regime was completely idiotic, among other things
are we going to argue that Saddam Hussein's government of Iraq wasn't a regime?
You should change your handle to "Hairsplitter".
That's how I refer to the current US gov't all of the time.
what a shame. owebomba could have done for syria what he did for egypt and libya. liberate saudi arabia ya weak wristed hack cunt bitch.
That's what you get when Putin rides a bear and Obama rides a "She" bycicle, in shorts, knee high socks and a helmet.
Ok, how about Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Egypt 2.0, etc... Oh good, they're still our bastards.
We have seen the enemy and it is us.
- Pogo
These fuckers are gonna get us killed
Truer words have never been spoken!
Operation "Population Reduction" underway.
"These fuckers are gonna get us killed"
I think that's the point.
Putin should demand the USA compensate Assad for the rebuilding his country will require.
Really rub Soreto's and Horseface's nose in it in front of the entire world.
Fear not. The USSA is in the habit of rebuilding the ones they destroyed.
But only after they've installed a puppet. Short of that, the only funding will be for continued CIA subversion.
200 billion US dollars is the war reparations figure recently quoted for the illegal invasion of this sovereign state.
Hoorah!
We spent 6 Trillion to destroy the region.
But, only 200 Billion to rebuild.
Think of all the new debt money to be had!
Wait, what? Oh, I see what's happening; the American government has decided to reallocate its forces to southeast asia.
I heard that Obozos pivot to asia, has only amounted to 200
marines stationed in Australia so far.
Ukraine is still a festering sore as well.The empire is way too overstretched.
"is way too overstretched"
Don't be talkin bout Obama's anus like that!
I read he's gettin fitted for a colostomy bag next week.
I gave,and give you,that particular opening.
enjoy.
We killed some folks.... and we're sorry bout that, now take your ball and go back home.
Spooky.
Happy Halloween weekend!
There's gonna be peace in the valley tomorrow
tonight, she's gunna blow it all away
lord she feels so twisted
she aint ever gunna fix it
she's just waiting for the light to shine on a brand new day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l8CTAZCv7w
I can't wait to hear the word parsing in Kerry/Obama's face-saving explanation attempt. It's going to be Mozart-level bullshit.
Yeah, don't hold your breath hearing anything on any of the MSM outlets. The retarded Merkun sheeple don't know what a Syria is.
Right, the MSM will simply control alt del this.
It's like a mythical unicorn or a womyn's G-Spot.
Trick?
Treat?
" I hope Bashar doesn't take all this personally and invites Theresa and I to dinner again, he has a marvelous wine cellar" John Kerry
If wife swapping is on the menu; Kerry comes out as big winner.
Wine cellar plus the rest and Kerry's day is not wasted.
Vampire's ball in Dracula's cellar with his Sharon T !
Yikes ! An offer that a Horse's head cannot refuse.
Vienna is a place where funny things happen :
OPEC gets kidnapped by Carlos. We may be in for a remake!
The Third Man sings : All they invented in Swiss land of FIFA was the cuckoo clock of Sepp Blatter!
I was flying back to base early Sunday morning through Kunduz
Listening to gospel music on the colored radio station
And the preacher said, "You know you always have the
Lord by your side"
And I was so pleased to be informed of this that I bombed
Twenty hospitals in his honor
Thank you Jesus, thank you Lord...
Hey John?...
Donut... "Hole"!
Now give them your "Winter Soldier" speech from 1971 and go out with a "bang"!!!....
John: "Would rather go out with a bang without the speech. Honestly."
T
I only wish that were true. But the motherfucker has no shame and neither do the rest of the American people!
If America possessed guilt and shame these cocksuckers would be swinging from the end of a rope many moons ago!!!
Can't argue truth.
Sorry, we're still waiting for the Commies to sell us the rope to hang ourselves.
Fucking A! And this is what happens when the world tires from the u.s. Continually sticking our dick in everyone's mouth, like it or not. Our entire upper echelon of government and the m.i.c., need to be arrested, tried for treason, war crimes etc., and hung in public for the world to see.
Dont forget the banksters.
Was 200,000 lost Syrian lives their decision threshold, now that they've decided to embrace Assad?
It turns out this American administration actually learned something after all, considering all the blowback from their CIA lead regime changes in Egypt, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. All i can say is, what took them so long?
I kind of doubt that actually. Under Obama, the US has lost a ton of accumulated political stroke, and probably by design.
ya, you're right. never mind. <sarc>
Other than getting kicked out of Vietnam, I can't remember a time where we looked more pathetic on the global stage. I wish these asshole at the MIC would just quit mucking things up, but they won't until they get us all killed.
Can't stop now!
It's just getting good!
28 pages and war crimes for torture... including MIC claw-backs for offensive behavior... Ziggy you and Peanut Farmer happy for operation cyclone before Russia invaded Afghanistan.... It is called non intervention IT IS ABOUT TIME THIS BEHAVIOR IS CALLED WAR PROFITEERING. MARK OF CAIN.
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CIA-backed forces overthrow President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.This is not your typical American foreign policy at work in the Middle East any longer. The foreign policy under Barack Obama has become whatever the Muslim Brotherhood wants foreign policy.
The whole world seen this coming...;0)
I have to go dust off my Ezekeil. Somewhere in there they talk about peace talks right before the Jews get into a scrap.
They have been very quiet.
Must be the huge intake of breath.
Putin has a boot across their water supply.
The grand plans oa greater Israel just went down the crapper.
If they know whats good for them they will start talking
real peace now.
For me, this whole rebel- ISIS thing is just the warm-up band.
As someone pointed out the other day, Syria and Israhel are still in a state of war, with the occupation of Golan Heights.
Will attention be turned to there after the opening act?
The litani in south Lebanon is just as important.
De facto Russia is now allied with Hezbollah.
Israel is suddenly hemmed in with few choices.
@WC,
That is sweet music to my ears.
youd be better off asking Thor what he thinks - the OT is full of nutcases start to finish lol
Thor's a homo.:)
Let's not mince words. Russia's biggest victory in 25 years.
And all it took was balls of steel and 50 aircraft.
Imagine what would happen if they were serious about something?
dup
The us can no longer fight a 2 front war. Even two little proxy wars. So it looks like chinas going to get the attention .
This would mean Europe has been left to it's own "devices".
meanwhile,back in the USA..Stocks are in the green,and bartenders are still getting their tips
but,How Much Longer??????
As long as the power to the printing presses stays on.
Who needs printing presses when everything is ones and zeroes? Just take your latest electronic bank statement and add 3 zeroes to the right of your balance, and, voila!
(Only works for positive balances.)
Iran must be stopped at all costs! If it means direct military involvement, so be it.
John McCain! Is that you?
stopped from doing what - invading iraq afghanistan and syria?? the US already did that and the outcomes arent pretty
Let's finally have some DIRECT MILITARY INVOLVEMENT by those israelis, whaddya say? They get all the $$$, weapons, diplomatic cover they could ever want, yet the AmeriKan golem still does all the dirty work.
I know they could do it - if abusing captive Palestinians are any indication of their capacity to fight, they should be in Teheran in a fortnight! /s/
Amazing how things change after the Pope's visit
Got rid of Boner.
Putin steals our lunch.
Europe is invaded by North Africa.
U.S. throws poop at China.
Did I miss anything?
DOLLAR HEDGEMONY big enough guns Krugman http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/13/aegis-fail-in-black-sea-ruskies-...
The greatest democracy the world has ever known (lol) chooses other nations leaders and if they don't comply they die a la Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Iran, Nicaragua, Venezuela ad nauseum.
What a detestable country.
I expect the Obama administation to flip-flop depending which way the wind blows. That's what weak men do. What is unforgivable is the alianation of allies and the abandonment of strategic interests in the fatuous hope of improving relations with the Iranian enemy.
Obama needs to be told what to do by the Russians. His foreign policy is idiotic. There is no time left for him to learn advancing gay rights in foreign countries at the point of a gun is not his job.
Of course.
Next on their plate,
Grant$ to China for refugee settlement on their new island.
If it is true that the neocons are running US policy, it could be that the US is ducking out because it has attained its objectives in accordance with PNAC, the gist of which is that there should be no rivals to American dominance. Is it a stretch to say that all that has transpired from Libya to Syria was to create a refugee crisis in Europe to keep Europe down? If so, they have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. Now they are saving face by nobly bowing out of the ME.
Meanwhile, war with China beckons, oh happy, happy neocons!
(Assuming the hypothesis above, etc.)
I hope this is not the case and that the US is finally coming to its senses and realizing that Russia and the US working together could do a lot to usher in the promise of a new millenium. We should be natural allies!
your optimism is undue and
has transmogrified into wishful thinking hopium.
The actual US policy goal is to dominate any adversaries, real or even potential,
by gaining full spectrum dominance over all resources, real or even potential,
or by denying use to others by destruction.
That policy will not change so long as the US is ruled
by greedy psychopaths, too arrogant and paranoid to realize their own delusions.
And that, has not changed.
Why does everybody believe the crap coming out of those liars mouths.
Diplomatic talks are just a stall tactic.
When thieves fall out... is a recurrent post from me.
What this means to petromonarchies and Israel still has to be seen.
But Europe will now push for the resolution of refugee problem big time.
When Sarko goes to Moscow to meet Putin and says the EU cannot seriously consider a world without a STRONG RUssia who has legitimate vital interests in the world, you know the Neo-con alliance is now melting in front of our eyes.
Cameron has irked the US with his "open arms" seduction (some say pants down twerking) to China; now Sarko the other Libyan fellow conspirator of Pax Americana's Q-daffy assasination play and dystopian fall-out, jumps ship !
Its clear that Kerry's mandate is to tell the EX-neo-con allies of ME (Saud/Qatar/Israel/Erdogan) that the US feels Sunni fundamentalism is a LOST CAUSE with too much Jihadist cum refugee blowback; all the while trying to curtail Putin's $ bashing stance via Cold War roll back. If they lose in ME what does it portend for TPP and Pacific rim stand off with new Superpower China?
Mutti is now the key player in the EU. If she turns coat and says to Putin : I can live with your Assad play then the whole EU stance will change towards the Putin/Iran axis.
Tipping times for ME, Dear Henry's triple OIL/Petrodollar/Big Stick cover now unravelling. If it brings down Petrodollar as collateral damage; as the US shale vs Saud Oil standoff has already empoisoned; then the unwind in the ME both economical (Saud has 5 years of excess reserve backup at current prices) and geo-political could be HUGE.
What will the neo-cons do as we come into the 2016 elections in Home of Pax Americana?
I think even Hillary can't answer that one! Too many balls up in the air!
Money and Oil... will define the Rubicon of Pax Americana's unwind.
Sarko the supple slithering serpent can change his color in an instant to blend in to the most opportune background. No matter that Qaddafi financed his first presidential campaign, no matter that he was America's firm ally, he always has his moistened finger in the air in case he has to make a 180. And the French eat it up.
If you've read the Count of Monte Cristo then you know whom Sarko has built his real life personna on : Fernand Mondego !
The man who stole his best friend's wife! And then as Count of Morcerf killed the Bey of Janina to whom he was beholden !
Great novels are immortal as reality follows in their footsteps!
But the greatest romantic character in that real life saga is Sarko's father !
The foot-loose Count of Nagy Bocsa, refugee from post WW2 Hungary, who seduced a Jewish lady Lawyer in Paris and spawned Sarko, then seduced another hi-society french démoiselle and spawned Olivier Sarkozy, now top exec in that Bush Combo called Carlyle.
To have put one son at the head of Europe's oldest Nation state and another at the head of Oligarchy USA's great financial flagship is no mean feat for a footloose, impoverished Aristo who had nothing else to sell except his dashing looks and a passion to paint.
BTW : To Sarko's credit his third wife is a woman of great class like his other previous wives. I respect men who can seduce beautiful women like Steptoe Nagy-Bocsa and sons!
falak, thanks for the fascinating background of the Sarko family!
Cant we just accept that there are no good guys to side with in the middle east and leave?
Finally I understand why Syria is the bad guys. Its because they are on team Iran. And apparently Iran is bad.
What makes "AmeriKa's Arab allies" think they have a say so in what happens in Syria? Assad must step down? Who the fuck asked you gold-plated camel jockeys?
Man, the unchecked hubris of oily religious retards
What exactly gives us the right to go around demanding 'regime change' in these foreign countries?
GTFO of the ME and let them live in the stone age like they were happy with.
In their zeal for regime change in multiple countries throughout the ME, the US has relied on criminals, thugs and killers- basically the enemy of my enemy is my (temporary) friend. So what happens when these governments are overthrown? The strongest and best armed groups take power- which are Islamic fundamentalist- ISIS/ISIL/Daesh. Blowback inevitably follows. Like they say in the ATT ads- “it’s not complicated”.