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Republicans Declare War On CNBC: Suspend NBC Relationship Over CNBC's "Downright Offensive" Questions
Nearly a year after CNBC said it would no longer rely on Nielsen to measure its daytime audience (due to the collapse in viewership we had previously profiled), it has managed to do it again, only this time slamming not the financial cheerleading cable network but its Comcast affiliate, NBC News, whom its just cost hundreds of millions in advertising revenues after moments ago Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Preibus announced he was suspending the partnership with NBC News for the Republican primary debate at the University of Houston on February 26, 2016.
The full letter from RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to NBC News
Mr. Andrew Lack
Chairman, NBC News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, New York 10112
Dear Mr. Lack,
I write to inform you that pending further discussion between the Republican National Committee (RNC) and our presidential campaigns, we are suspending the partnership with NBC News for the Republican primary debate at the University of Houston on February 26, 2016. The RNC’s sole role in the primary debate process is to ensure that our candidates are given a full and fair opportunity to lay out their vision for America’s future. We simply cannot continue with NBC without full consultation with our campaigns.
The CNBC network is one of your media properties, and its handling of the debate was conducted in bad faith. We understand that NBC does not exercise full editorial control over CNBC’s journalistic approach. However, the network is an arm of your organization, and we need to ensure there is not a repeat performance.
CNBC billed the debate as one that would focus on “the key issues that matter to all voters—job growth, taxes, technology, retirement and the health of our national economy.” That was not the case. Before the debate, the candidates were promised an opening question on economic or financial matters. That was not the case. Candidates were promised that speaking time would be carefully monitored to ensure fairness. That was not the case. Questions were inaccurate or downright offensive. The first question directed to one of our candidates asked if he was running a comic book version of a presidential campaign, hardly in the spirit of how the debate was billed.
While debates are meant to include tough questions and contrast candidates’ visions and policies for the future of America, CNBC’s moderators engaged in a series of “gotcha” questions, petty and mean-spirited in tone, and designed to embarrass our candidates. What took place Wednesday night was not an attempt to give the American people a greater understanding of our candidates’ policies and ideas.
I have tremendous respect for the First Amendment and freedom of the press. However, I also expect the media to host a substantive debate on consequential issues important to Americans. CNBC did not.
While we are suspending our partnership with NBC News and its properties, we still fully intend to have a debate on that day, and will ensure that National Review remains part of it.
I will be working with our candidates to discuss how to move forward and will be in touch.
Sincerely,
Reince Priebus
Chairman, Republican National Committee
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Another WOAR? ;-)
Looney
resign the douche bag Reince Preibus as well, please
>>> HARWOOD : pole-smoking TOOL.
>>> HARWOOD : EXCEPTIONAL JOURNALIST.
Who gives a fuck about this comedy theatre?
I could care less about the Debates in Big Terms as in Nothing Will Get Done in Any Case, but NBC deserves a hot poker up the arse for their childish biased and unprofessional behavior
From the few minutes we saw of the debate, the whole setup and attitude of the moderators was like American Idol. Fuck teh liberal establishment, their under-developed brains cannot tell info from 'tainment!
Wasn't the media supposed to be the government WATCHDOG?? Not the government LAPDOG??
CNBC is media cancer.
All conglomerate media is cancer including Fox "news"
So what do you expect from the Kings of Corporate Cheeleading? These Asshats at CNBC are FRAUD incarnate---at all levels.
CNBWho?
I actually blame the daily show.
It started off as comedy, and turned into a liberal excuse to snark everything the "other side" said.
The Onion does a 10000x better job of snarking both sides equally.
Not really. They have a very pro-state bias.
Seems to me like Fox asked some pretty chicken shit questions in the first debate. Seems hypocritical that Fox bitched about CNBC. Just sayin...
Liberal? The network of Kudlow and Santelli (father of the Tea Party movement?) Can I have some of what you're smoking?
Kudlow is a Pinko Fascist. What are you smoking?
You and your 17 upvoters can't possibly be that stupid, can you? Of course you are, this is ZH...
What Kudlow is smoking (or snorting) would probably give you a better high ;-)
Re coinhead: "From the few minutes we saw of the debate, the whole setup and attitude of the moderators was like American Idol. Fuck teh liberal establishment"
But the democrates get a totally different treatment and attitude. For the dems it is, all of you are good guys but who is best. For the repubs it is all of you are evil and we shall prove it.
I do not care for either. The same people pull the strings behind the curtain.
But I think it is funny that the repubs set themselves up for this. How could the repubs go on CNN or CNBC, allow "moderators" like these ask the questions and why did they stand there and take it. As a group they should have said, to hell with this staged attack we are walking out of here as a group.
Republicans: "What kind of fool do you take me for?"
Media: "First class!"
I couldn't care less.
The rest was spot on knuks
Republicans are red, and Democrats are blue,
And neither one of them, gives a fuck about you.
TV is for people who can't think or read.
I try to avoid both politics and mass media.
Both together will turn you into a zombie stant.
I didn't watch the fascist clown show.
Neither did I. If I want to get lied to, I just have a conversation with my teens.
Maria Bartiromo: We will not make CNBC’s debate mistakes -says NBC lost sight of ‘the point of these’
http://tinyurl.com/nmjgkfm
The Disney Network is bidding for the next debate. They should get it. It'd be fun to hear Donald Duck and Mickey ask some rough questions.
Reince Preibus.
HAW HAW HAW!
>>>> HARWOOD : TOOL.
>>>> HARWOOD : EXCEPTIONAL JOURNALIST.
This is like the circus barker accusing the Chief Clown of the circus of doing his job.
fuck nbc, worst tv station
Is there a good TV station?
Is there anything good on TV apart from the bottle of bourbon and a bucket of Bubba's BBQ Chik'n Likin' wings?
the strange part is that the cnbc commentators acted no differently than they normally do, which is why their viership is down.
Basically its an infomercial for peoples books and investment management companies.
did anyone not know that Santelli would ask a serious question that also reflected his views? The others also asked question that reflected their views that they just do not like the conservatve approach. ?
When will someone ask the question of how long will it take to payback the 19 trillion of interest bearing debt assuming curent debt increase of around 800 billion continues? Even with near zero interest.
Then when will somone follow up on Christies (apparently true) assertion that Social Security and Medicare run out of money in 7-8 years; Harvard and Dartmouth said 6-7 years a year ago, when tax receipts were higher.
Bigger question is when will anyone elected tell the people the truth.
I watched; curiosity. The first disappointment was not seeing Santelli as a moderator; then, he's brought up and given one question. The Fed was his question base and his handoff was to Rand Paul; who fumbled. Rand's father would have brought out his book from under the podium; "End the FED" Most people I talked to said they missed the Santelli question. For me; the only highlight of the shitshow. I won't watch another.
CNBS!! MSNBS!!! NBS!! They put the BULL in BULLSHIT!!
It's more like the SHIT... The bull is a majestic animal and should not, in any form, be affiliated with these dumb fucks.
Reince Priebus ???
Is that an anagram?
It is pronounced "Rinsed Penis."
Thanks to another poster yesterday. Haha, very good.
Like after you bang something potentially dirty.
No, no no...it's Rancid Penis. Get it right.
Here are some real anagrams for him
Penis Uric Beer
Seep Uric Brine
Epicure Brines
Brunei recipes
Prince Reebus?
Buns Creepier.
Creepier Buns.
Wasn't he a super villain in the Justice League cartoon?
Related to Biggus Dickus.
And Incontinentia Buttocks
Beat me to it, CarpetShag. I mean, Reince Priebus?
Looks like a name you would come up with dabbling around with Scrabble tiles.
Fuck Yeah - somebody grew a pair of balls!
I'll bet Jeb is thrilled there's no February debate. Is this guy pitiful or what?
both!
No, men as beta as him don't get thrilled over that, they are relieved.
Jeb, born in the wrong family, smoked too much pot, read too much porn, had it too easy in Florida, and then lost it.
Don't be mistaken, Jebs background shows he is one devous son of a .... He is a smart one at that. Look into his work in Banking during the Iran Contra period.
Agreed. Bush is a smart cookie, but out of his element on the big stage under the microscope....and Trump knocked him completely off his game. He lacks street smarts, having never been hungry for anything and generally dealing with others of similar backgrounds, or suck ups.
Regardless, unless they figure out a way to rig the elections like he did for his brother, he won't get the votes to be elected dog catcher. Even the Republicans have rejected the Bushes, and if he somehow made it onto the ticket, the Democraps would have a huge turnout against him in the general election. Clinton would win in a landslide while disgusted, disenfranchised Repugnants stayed home.
I do believe the Bush dynasty is done, at least until the next generation, but never fear, they still have their tentacles dug deep in the energy biz, the MIC, and banking.
Just cause we don't see 'em don't mean they ain't there.
Texas is home field for both Jeb and Ted Cruz. Ted and his family live in Houston. The Bushies would be quite disconcerted to have Jeb drubbed by Ted and watch the crowd cheer wildly.
Jeb is in a bad way. Texas has 38 electoral votes. Ted would beat Jeb here. Florida has 29 electoral votes. Marco Rubio might get the favorite son vote there.
There may be something evil planned for the state GOP conventions. A lot depends on who is allow onto the rules committees.
Jeb may wish to spend more time in California and do his pandering there.
They changed the primary rules for Bushie. Now, they're gonna have to kill Trump.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/24/gop-adopts-changes-to-20...
"After the first four states vote and the campaigns move into March, candidates would be awarded delegates on a proportional, rather than winner-take-all, basis. The scenario is designed to allow insurgent candidates(Bushie or Rubio after some dirt is released by NBC?) the chance to stay competitive and prove their campaign mettle in larger states that might otherwise favor better-funded candidates."
Bushie said he could get the nomination w/o the base of bitter clingers.Sad, but True. Another Bush would lose to just about anyone---including Bernie...Ha, ha. What comes around goes around,,,,
Actually, I think this has more to do with Ron Paul. If you watched the roll call voting at the last GOP national convention, you would have seen that many of the states voted proportionally, but the votes were announced from the podium and recorded as winner take all. Texas had a worthy number of delegate votes for Ron Paul. Our party chair had his microphone cut while he was trying to report those votes. The Ron Paul delegates from our state senatorial district came back and debriefed. It made for an interesting meeting.
One thing that is really ugly IMO are the rules for write-in candidates that are now in force. Those rules carve in stone the dominance of the two-party system. If a voter writes in a name for someone who is not on the ballot and has not filed as a write-in candidate, that vote will not be counted. This may make for more orderly elections, but it subverts the notion of a grassroots movement.
At this point in the progression of Imperium Americanum, should the job of CEO of the militarist-imperialist, rentier-socialist corporate-state not just be given to Jeb the Bushman with a purple toga/robe and laurel wreath.
Why make him work so hard and embarass himself for a thankless, powerless job?
Better yet, declare the imperial state a moronocracy and invite the Kardashians to move in to the White House for the next four or eight years. I'm sure they could do no more harm to the economy and society than their predecessors to date.
Isn't that what we already have?
When you ask clowns questions expect clown answers
Harwood should have been canned the second he walked off the stage. Quickie and Q should be given an unpaid extended vacation. Instead they defend and avoid. It's a joke of a network that we've all seen for years. Ever since Haines died.
There's always a place for Harwood over at MSNBC.
"Instead they defend and avoid"
So in otherwords, they acted as a politician.
No one to root for here, they all deserve to be skull-fucked esp. Becky Quick and that disgusting kike Andy Lack
Maybe she can go join Veronica Vain in the porn industry.
Ron Paul and Ralph Nader are both thinking...hey they did that to us years ago, the RNC and DNC included!
really? who cares at this point?
failing markets
saber rattling x2
prepping and popcorn are all that matters at this point
"From where I sit,Gene"~ Apollo 13
" is to ensure that our candidates are given a full and fair opportunity to lay out their vision for America’s future."
ROFLMAO,,,
We had a reasonable future looking foward from the eighties. Look at how grand its been from then until now. 20 trillion in debt, wars everywhere, offshoring, no jobs, banker bailouts, Auto bailouts ad nauseum.
And those Repubs just helped add another trillion or so debt by sneaking in last night to pass the new version of debt legislation,,, adding more debt.
All within the beltway and/or controlled by the beltway are just parasites on a feeding frenzy.
Good for them. I found the moderators condescending and glad that many of the candidates stood up to them.
I was very disappointed with John Harwood as he is a guy that I really like. The CNBC all had an ego as if they were someone special which really threw me off. Very disappointed with them.
Disclaimer: I am not a Republican and this not a biased opinion
nobody watches cnbc anyway
. . . except the anchors watching themselves on the monitors, the self-reflecting types that they are.
CNBC lived up to its skill set.
It is just that no one had noticed how bad they had fallen since no one watches them. That drop started with Maria Bottleinfrontofya
I don't view them as a progressive, liberal democratic station, though.
They are very pro business, bending their back over to placate every CEO that wants his ego stroked and needs some loving so he agrees to go on CNBC
Is there some conflict between being pro-big-business and progressive? Big business is the tax collector.
I gave up circuses long ago.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e5ru_scorpions-the-zoo_music
Good choice, but now try to escape the zoo. I tried and all I got was a tiger by the tail while stepping in a huge pile of elephant droppings before I go stuck between the bars of the cage.
Best laid plans of cats and men.
Really? The BlowHorn?
andy lack's resume would suggest:
A: he's an amazing executive with uncanny judgement skills in the music, news, documentary etc. biz... or
B: he's amazingly adept at climbing the Jew nepotism ladder
Jews have learned well from history, which is why they're repeating their rise to disporportionate imperial influence and power as they did under the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Khazars, and later in Europe in the deaces prior to the Nazis.
However, this time around they will be the Nazis using financial wealth, media messaging, and the state's power and authority to use violence to crush its challengers.
It's what self-superior, self-satisfied sociopaths do.
As Huxley posited, we have been conditioned for decades now to accept the coersion and love our servitude, such that we are effectively being amused to death. Jews, as the plantation managers of empire, are masters of conditioning us to love (or at least acquiesce to) our neo-feudal servitude.
If I were trump, I would of said to Becky, I see you get moist for old Billionaires, want to make a few hundred the easy way.
Reince, repeat...
Republicans have been complaining about media bias for decades now, but none of the "Baby Boomer" politiicans would ever speak up against it directly, they would never actually fight back. This sort of collegialism is a curse on progress and anathema to getting your agenda through.
All it took was one non-Boomer to speak the truth and things moved. It is all theater, but even so after a few decades the old act is stale and we need a new one. Maybe even a new play entirely.
Laast time I checked, Trump was a boomer. So is Carson.
What's really funny about all of this. The CNBC people really believed they were unbiased and fair.
Bet they all still got their "Be a prick" bonuses.
They also believe that they are journalists and do investigative reporting
Comcast sucks.
Oh yeah, it comes as no surprise that Comcast is owned by one of Obama's golfing buddies, or that Comcast owns NBC, or that NBC sucks, or that the talking heads on NBC are morons.
I wake up to Comcast's moronic NBC affiliate (ch10, Philadelphia) every morning because I need a decent weather report....the ONE thing they do fairly well.
You'd expect no less from that fuckin propaganda outlet. Their day to day broadcast is devoid of any meaningful economic discussion.
The whole NBC network has been propaganda for decades. Just ask Dr. Huxtable.
The media in America sucks but CNBC is one of the suckiest dumbing down comedies. Inotice Nat'l Propaganda Radio is morphing into a biased distortion of the issues station also in recent years. Few of their regular hosts question their guests' idiotic statements.
The other day some"journalist" said "the Syrian people want us there" and later, "the majority of American people now want Barry to send troops."
WTF?!
Pathetic.
Last night on National Socialist News they purported to show Cruz's rejoinder, but they cut middle out of it, rendering it as:
"This is why the american people don't trust the media. (jerk/click) How about talking about substantive issues that people care about!"
That's one angry Rinsed Priapus.
Wash, Rince, Preibus
Questions for next CNBC debate
Becky Squick for Trump- Donald, Warren's penis is only about 4 inches, Can you tell us how long are you?
Carl Quintinilla for Ben Carson- Ben, did you know that journalists are much smarter than neurosurgeons?
John Harwood for anybody- I've sucked off Obama several times, have any of you?
Trump: YUUUUUUGGGGE Becky! YUUUUUUGGGGEEEEE. [Actually flips it out].
Priebus is a douchebag RINO himself. Fuck Him
RINO assumes that Republicans have ever been different than they are now, or that Republicans represent things that they have never done. They have pulled the wool over the eyes of their base up to now, and now they are facing a revolt. It's time to recognize that Republicans are the same as Democrats and pursuing the same end; they want to "govern", which is to control your life.
Republicans are not going to shrink government and they are not going to kill their anti-Freedom laws such as the laughably titled "Patriot Act".
So RINO is a hopeful delusion. They are what they are, and what they always will be.
Thank you for what should be self evident to people
Let's see the Democrats debate with Fox News moderators. Hannity, O'Reilly, and Megyn Kelly. Fair is fair...
Huh? Fox news?
No, a better comparison would be a Dumbcrat debate with Limbaugh, Levin and Savage as moderators. If you are going to go over the top like CNBS... go way over the top.
Definitely worthy of a pay-per-view, cage-match event.
That would be a fun match up with plenty of fireworks, but what would be far funnier to watch would be Limbaugh, Levine, & Hannity moderating the Republican debate. That would make for some real squirming on stage.
Michael Savage all by himself, taking on the whole GOP field. That would be fun.
Progressive assclown state worshipping CNBC?
The progressive STUPID, it burns.
Grimaldus
http://regressiveparty.org/
I've been awaiting the rise of a Regressive Party, and I think it's here.
Please do not bother explaining this to those of us who have killed our tee vees
Thanks.
ALERT NEWS Millions Cheer Death of the Mainstream Media https://youtu.be/gjbPprBKQxU
Too late the damage is done already. Priebus mnew this would happen and set it up anyway, he's the problem.
Lack of Integrity
Lack of Neutrality
Lack of Balanced Moderating
There are ZERO democratic debates on, Fox, Fox News or Fox Business. So there should be zero republican debates on NBC,CBS,MSNBC,CNN. The republcians should should talk Roger Ailes into have a debate on Fox Network(hosted by Fox News) instead and that can be the republican debate on broadcast national network tv and call it a day.
Or if they were real smart they would not bother with Network TV at all and bypass NBC,ABC,CBS totally and just host it themselves, offer it free to re-broadast by independent stations, public broadcasting, fox affiliates, and streaming on YouTube, CSPAN and FoxNews for free. They are total and complete fools if they still think this is the 1960s and you have to have a broadcast on NBC/ABC/CBS in order to reach people.
AND WHO SAID that these things should always be moderated by idiot talking heads from news organizations?
Republican voters would learn more about who they are wanting to vote for by having REAL conservative thinkers dive into the real issues with the candidates because they actually know what they are talking about to a deep level, and not some talking head from network news. Isn't that the real reason to have primary debates for REPUBLICAN primary voters to learn more about the candidates, not for democrat voters? Otherwise don't bother.
"Republican voters would learn more about who they are wanting to vote for by having REAL conservative thinkers dive into the real issues with the candidates... "
You talk as though real issues would ever be discussed.
You talk as though voting for a Republican or democrat would actually change anything more than the deck chairs.
how about bobby slay, paula deen and ina gaarten as moderators. The Food Network is just as valid for "serious" questions as msnbc
I'll take the Food Network any day over this political theater.
They have real contests on the Food Network. The go at each other, work their tails off, everything is right out in the open, and there are winners and losers as people are constantly judged and eliminated.
Maybe the debates should be elimination contests, too. At the end, the moderators critique each performance and then the audience could call in for your favorite, then we could get rid of some of the egoists polling 1-5%.
In all seriousness, there is no way to have a real debate among 10 people on stage, even if you had good moderators, which we haven't seen yet from any of the news stations. Let's face it, the news readers on TV are largely just toadies sucking up to their guests and delivering per-prepared pablum ti the audience. I hear them make mistakes and tell outright falsehoods on a regular basis.
Fox is just as bad as NBC. All of them are commie oriented and truly want the Hillarybeast elected. That 'debate' was a game changer for the republicans. None of that would have happened had not Trump first opened the PC floodgates a few months ago, by the way. Republican candidates have Trump to thank. And they know that and it's evident, since many of them have begun to show a pair, a la Donald Trump. And I don't give a flying horsefuck if you agree or not. How's that for PC?
I cant' think of anything more presidential then whiining about the media. Leaders of tomorrow.
Couldn't agree more. I hate when Obama whines about FOX News.
They didn't get upset last time when Ron Paul was blacklisted and pigeon holed.
These debates are the only way I can know for sure which juiced-in multimillionaire one-worlder will best pretend to care about my liberty.
why didn't they have Kramer as panelist! BoooooYAaaaaaaa would have asked right questions,
"Mr. Rubio, is Lehman a buy?"
"Mr. Carson, will the DOW hit 20,000 by year end?"
"Jeb, is there EVER a time NOT to buy the fucking dip?"
"Mr. Christie, should Yellen do more QE or MORE QE!?!?"
Would've been classic.
So MSM only allowing Hitlery advertising and SNL/comedy/central invites excuse me same thing ..... It ain't Reince Priebus it's DNC/RNC/MIC/interventionist terrorist illusion of choice....
All War Mongering sycophants, yes-men, bootlickers, brown-noser, toadies, suck-up MARK OF CAIN corporate fascist. Gender neutral race neutral TRUTHget going on putting another face on right side of Rushmore keeping Teddy and Honest Abe company... USSA USSA USSA USSA USSA USSA USSA USSA "Sweet Caroline" "Sweet Caroline" "Sweet Caroline" "Sweet Caroline"
The biggest lie of the night was when Harwood said Trump didn't negotiate to trim the debate. He was saying, "That's BS and you are lying". If the GOP didn't hate Trump they'd mention this.
I'd say what a bunch of fucking babies, but they've got the sense that this strategy works.
Nothing wrong with any of those questions, except the fact they're weak. Just cause Cramer shouts doesn't make his pussy questions any tougher.
And Rubio is your idiot brother in-law who borrows his brains out and then whines about it.
http://www.jta.org/2015/10/29/news-opinion/politics/marco-rubios-big-jew...
The good news is the Democrats now have 2 national channels (NBC and CNBC) to rely on for support to counter the Republican Fox News.
Does "The Onion" have a financial news arm? ...or is that right here at Zero Hedge? ...because that's all I want to hear from now on!!! :D
You know, if you sit back and think about it -
who gives a fuck.
This is the same RNC that let Romney steal RP votes, and let the 'republican jewish coalition' have a debate without him because he didn't kiss israel's ass enough, right?
fuck CNBC, fuck the GOP, and fuck the Mets.
Well, the GOPee can do their debates on Bloomberg from now on.
That should have Mr. Bloomberg punch his ticket to get his Station picked up by Basic Packages of Cable/Sat providers and allow for PBS Simulcast Deals (for the next debates).
So long CNBC...
Full Disclosure: I did a short stint at Bloomberg filling in for the Earnings Season Reports. At that time, they tend to hire from (low paying jobs) and promote from within - rarely an external / lateral hire (I'm presuming that there are exceptions for Talking Heads and a few key positions). All the Financial Analytics Positions were filled at that location - though I bet no one on the Analytics Team in NJ was a full fledged Math Geek from a Quant/Engineering School.
That's where I also encountered the JW/Mormon Cult monkeys too. I interview I had with one of them revealed that they were just fishing for info from experienced people; and another looked like a relative from someone who was in trouble back in my days in Annapolis (Honor Board - I don't think he graduated).
It also matches the profile and declared acts of one Cult Group which had been stalking me since 1997. One Mitzrahi(Iranian-ME) Rabbi / Druze Clergy(? - Lebaneze Druze were allegedly involved) at Sinai Temple in Wilshire (Los Angeles) mentioned that loud enough for most people to hear. FUNNY how the Conservative Rabbis (Rabbonim) covered for them. Freemasonry Handshake? Possibly - seen it done during a Torah Procession.
With all that foul playing side game (not to mention every Jew4Jesus/Christian Deprogrammer/Saboteur/Mormon-JW Proselityzer/Moonie Stalkers sticking their nose into my business to make money off of my work), it's no wonder that I've put my study on Judaism (Theism via Judaistic Worldview and Documentation) on Hold.
Tall Fences make for good neighbors. No matter how one presents it - though it may have been a "House of Prayer before All Nations" when they had a Temple and a Priesthood (as well as Services for Gentiles) - it's strictly an Ethnic Religion Now and Forevermore; and converts are targeted for Screw Jobs or diminished roles apparently. I've a few people I'd talk to; and would trust an upright Modern Orthodox, Sephardi, or a Reform Temple attendee before any other Jewish Group regarding any matter. Hebrew Christian/J4Js? Absolutely the Worst of Both Worlds. Their Leadership keep LYING to their Sheeple about their Churches being considered as a Legitimate Jewish "Sect" (never happening - every Rabbi I've spoken with across the board laughed or shaked their heads) in Israel or abroad. I've never seen so many rude people at Worship Services than what I've encountered at Hebrew Xian/J4J and Conservative Congregations; and I've volunteered to help out as an Usher during Conserviative Sabbath Services when I studied as well. Some J4Js (including attorneys - from one group who meet in Beverly Hills (the other at Irvine and San Diego) - IIRC, their Leader was a Prof at Fuller Seminary) were boasting and taunting me about sabotaging a few of my Lawsuits I had pending.