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China Warns U.S. It Risks Sparking A War If It Doesn't Stop "Provocative Acts"
Imagine two children on a beach. One has built a sandcastle. The other kicks it over. They get into a fight.
That’s exactly what’s going on in The South China Sea right now between Beijing and Washington.
Earlier this week, the US sent a guided missile destroyer on a “let’s see if we can get shot” mission in the South Pacific. The idea, as regular readers are no doubt aware, was to use “freedom of navigation” as an excuse to sail within 12 nautical miles of China’s man-made islands in the Spratlys.
Those islands represent the construction of some 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory on which Beijing has built everything from airstrips to cement factories to lighthouses. Washington’s regional allies all but swear that the PLA is planning an imminent invasion and Beijing swears the islands are a largely innocent construction project. These competing accounts underscore the extent to which no one is telling the whole truth.
Caught in the middle, Big Brother decided it was time to show the world that despite being kicked out of the Mid-East and being bullied by Beijing, no one really wants to go to war with Washington and so, America’s Nobel Peace Prize winning President sent a warship to Subi Reef.
And then, nothing happened.
The USS Lassen wasn’t fired upon or surrounded which was good news for anyone who doesn’t wish to live through World War III.
(USS Lassen)
But while cooler heads prevailed in Beijing, the suggestion that the US (and possibly Australia) are set to make these “patrols” a regular occurrence has riled China and on a teleconference between naval commanders, Admiral Wu Shengli told US chief of naval operations Admiral John Richardson that this needs to stop now unless the US wants to go to war. Here’s Reuters with the story:
China's naval commander told his U.S. counterpart that a minor incident could spark war in the South China Sea if the United States did not stop its "provocative acts" in the disputed waterway, the Chinese navy said on Friday.
Admiral Wu Shengli made the comments to U.S. chief of naval operations Admiral John Richardson during a video teleconference on Thursday, according to a Chinese naval statement.
The two officers held talks after a U.S. warship sailed within 12 nautical miles of one of Beijing's man-made islands in the contested Spratly archipelago on Tuesday.
China has rebuked Washington over the patrol, the most significant U.S. challenge yet to territorial limits China effectively claims around its seven artificial islands in one of the world's busiest sea lanes.
"If the United States continues with these kinds of dangerous, provocative acts, there could well be a seriously pressing situation between frontline forces from both sides on the sea and in the air, or even a minor incident that sparks war," the statement paraphrased Wu as saying.
"(I) hope the U.S. side cherishes the good situation between the Chinese and U.S. navies that has not come easily and avoids these kinds of incidents from happening again," Wu said.
The problem is that the US has no choice but to "continue with these kinds of dangerous, provocative acts," because if it doesn't, The Philippines and other regional allies will lose all faith in Washington's supposed omnipotence and invincibility and while we imagine The White House secretly thinks this "is not the time for courage" (to borrow an epic Gartman-ism), courageous the US must now be lest Beijing and Moscow should swiftly banish US hegemony to the annals of history.
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YAWN..
this (same) old tired stuff is really getting
BORING.
what happened with the Russia/Ukraine thing anyway? Anything?
International Socialism (whether of the Keynsian or Maoist flavor) like any leech lives only by sucking other's blood. We used to call this theft. Now it's monetizing the debt, rehypothecation and/or build shit no one wants. The result when the swindle collapses: war.
Putin: "Today it's a different game..."
https://youtu.be/E6fJlEfc4V4?t=1m14s
China should just dump the rest of her U.S. Treasuries. Now THAT would be "provocative" and a sweet revenge.
>>>> YAWN.
>>>> Obama grew some balls.
The only balls Obama has are the one's Reggie likes to gargle. The only real man in the group is Michael aka Michelle.
Given this disgusting menage a trois 'leading' the USSA, no wonder the Russians and Chinese laugh at us. Politics in Amerika is show business for freaks.
Those commie bastards! There hasn't been an outrage this big since North Vietnam encroached on our Gulf of Tonkin and we had to false flag them.
All of this makes the Chinese Navy's visit to Florida on Nov 3 extra 'tasty'.
http://redefininggod.com/
Hermaphrodites can't grow balls.
What's a Greek God got to do with it?
Building fortifications in another countries backyard is not provocative......fuck me dead!!!
WHOEVER owns these Islands has a normal cliam under International law to a 12-mile exclusion zone?
BUT, of course, International law has never really meant much to The US, including, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and, of course, complete non-recognition of THe Geneva Conventions.
It's not as though China has any intent to invade Japan or THe Philippines from The Spratly's? So, perhaps, as usual a case of The US attemptimg to enforce its hegemony over the rest of the world?
Except, in China's backyard, in a situation where it has International law on its side, The US might face a few problems? Just as The US is facing in Syria and now Iraq? Looks like the game might now be up?
But The Exceptional Country proceeds....it MUST prevail BUT it could get very costly in terms of US lives because China has a few BILLIION more lives to give that they give a shit about even less than USG? Those Russian and Chinese weapons, as reported by "Janes" appear to be several generations ahead of US weapons because, presumably, all those US "Investments" have been "Invested" in the profits of the MIC? Just a guess..
This is just our Israeli controlled State departement at work, with the goal of getting a bargaining chip to give China in exchange for China's allowing Israeli entry into Chinese markets.
International law is not on China's side.
China build these islands in waters that are disputed between 3 nations.
The other nations laying claim are Vietnam and Philippines.
Now pickup a map and look at it.
How is China making a claim here. The territory is nowhere near them but is right next to the other countries.
furthermore, the law plainly states that you can't build artificial islands and then lay territorial claim to them...
I love watching the mainland red Tylers and the other commie pinko sycophants on this board get themselves all twisted around the axle about this, since they know they're WRONG and don't have a leg to stand on...
USS T. Roosevelt and its assorted carrier group minions... expect a South "China" Sea tour from those guys Real Soon Now(tm)
Tyler Durden is just doing is KGB propaganda work.
Anyone trying to make an argument in support of China dredging these "islands" for military means (i.e., nowhere near their coastline) can only be a tool of Russia, China, Iran propaganda apparati.
The law says I have the right to protection from unlawful searches and siezures. That doesn't stop the NSA.
Why should laws stop the Chinese government? Especially when those laws are backed up by a two-faced system that is against their interests?
China has been subjected to multiple covert attacks lately. The largest one for example, the location of the main blast - using before and after pictures - was not at the building but in an open area a short distance from the building.
China has been bitch slapped hard several times and is trying to save face. They better have a plan, a plan that involves causing real pain. And hopefully any pain is to the right people.
China EU Free trade zone. Check. china eu free trade
China German Yuan trade program. Check. china germany yuan
China Germany signing 13 deals. Check. merkel china 13 deals
Germany being invited as the first foreign leader to the Anhui province, the home province of the PM of China. Check.
Meanwhile, UK also has signed several multi billion dollar agreements last week.
Next week, the French President brings his begging bowl (oops, 'strategic partnership') to China.
Next week, the Chinese President also visits Vietnam and singapore to sign some more deals...
Meanwhile, US watches itself with lots of sizzle and fizzle and keeps going down in the global order.....
Aside from verbal agreements for bombing other nations, when was the last time US signed any business deals with any countries? NAFTA was perhaps the last one signed in 1993.. Was the peak of US power back in 1993? Tch Tch...22 years ago....That's a lot of time, Innit?
No wonder, the US does so much saber rattling and tries to draw attention to itself because no one looks at her any more!
Spying...raising debt ceilings....arresting and killing own citizens.....bombing others....sending military hardware to places far and near...all these are the signs of a declining empire!
China signing deals with UK only indicates that they are dumber than a bag of dirt.
Senile too.
Perhaps they should read some of their history and focus on their past interactions with the British, look around the world and see how the Brits are still trying to fuck foreign countries.
According to a today's news the US Ambassador in Moscow has said that sanctions against Russia will not be lifted as long as Crimea is a part of the RF.
So no changes expected.
ntil the US grants Hawaii independence, Okinawa freedom, and Mexico Texas the world cannot accept the US view on nything
Building up partially submerged rocks and assorted detritus doesn't magically transform it into "sovereign Chinese territory."
But don't count on the America haters assembled here to figure that out.
Most people here are very balanced and call bullshit where it is deserved.
They are not America haters. They simply are not flag waving morons that buy every lie told to them by Fox or CNN.
I am certain that the same people who are cheerleading Russia right now would be spewing venom at it if Russia suddenly invaded Finland.
No, not really. Zeros would applaud Finland's invasion by Russia, and then somehow fix the blame on America and the Jews.
hahaha suck it China...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/world/asia/south-china-sea-philippines...
the only "provoking" going on here has been from China... just keep shaking your impotent little fists and bawling like a two-year old China, the world is laughing at you...
Yawn China been at war for how long? 30years tired of u
The USA will get destroyed in a war:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6fJlEfc4V4
So will everyone else, including Russia and China. Putin:
Russia would attack NATO only in mad person’s dream’https://www.rt.com/news/265399-putin-nato-europe-ukraine-italy/
The only sane person in an insane asylum is an ex-KGB agent. WTF happened to this fucked up world?
The fact is that in a war the US can easily take out any and all countries except in a nuclear engagement with Russia. In that scenario no one wins. Everybody's dead. Knocking out the power grid or setting off a tsunami does not change this reality and both China and Russia know this---they also know that it is not likely that the US will strike them (without creating a major false flag) due to her 'moral justification' and with the world's eyes watching.
The key to dismantiling this madness (as many know) is an intellectual awakening i.e. this tyranny will disperse when of, by and for the people is owned, owned, by the individual (in every nation); When conceptual thinking replaces the collective, ideological, primal brain of leftism and neoconservatism (both the disease of codependency or the adult child syndrome).
Tyranny is useless against the self-empowered--it fears it like the victim fears the tyrant. It has nothing on it. It is the parent the tyrant always wanted.
The end scenario is not war.
TOTALLY WRONG. In a conventional war, US assets are large, expensive, and vulnerable. Chinese and Russian missiles can easily destroy the US Navy carriers and without air cover, the rest of the fleet would be sunk in minutes. Remember the war games that the US Navy did with Iran as the enemy; the result was 10K to 20K US sailors dead in a week and all carriers sunk
Also China let the US send it's ship through the 12 mile zone, but did not back down on it's claim that the US did an illegal act. What was the point of the US sending an armed ship IF china will intercept any commercial ship that transgresses the 12 mile zone; and China will and already has intercepted commerical ships for this very reason. Is the US going to escort commercial ships through this zone from now on? What is the expense of doing that? Just who is really powerless here? The answer is the US.
It is not a fact.
It is you assumption and the assumption is based on the US going up against 3rd world countries.
Even if they removed the nuclear warheads from their ICBMs the Russians can hits every major city in the US. Frankly all they would have to do is hit those cities power, water and sewage facilities as well as food warehouses and the FSA would do the rest of the work for them.
Of course the US is 'sparking war'. That's what the Empire does.
U.S. is not as monolithic as it seems. The international moneychangers are sparking this war to hide their crimes and bring a new currency into effect for centuries more of debt enslavement. Nation states are acting under the duress of interested parties that completely dominate policy and media. People are too stupid and preoccupied with nonsense to notice. I'm not sure we can avoid this, gentlemen.
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” - Napoleon BonaparteTodays version goes as follows, when the gvt is dependent upon drug dealers for drugs, they................of the situation.
The banking cartels are no different from the drug cartels, only difference is scale. Escobar and Chapo are small time goons compared to the people Corzine and Bernanke work for. At least Chapo actually creates a tangible product.
Creating money out of nothing, then lending it to governments for interest...and people think the cocaine business is good!
"...and bring a new currency into effect for centuries more of debt enslavement... " which would be a... change in the current situation?
Mr Poopra, I am not sure if you ever thought about one detail:
debt enslavement is not a thing that a currency does
it's a result of... laws. domestic laws. and systems. domestic systems
take the student debt thing, one of the most glaring debt serfdom examples
continental european universities are mostly paid by taxes. hence students need less money to go through their years there
even if they would want to indebt themselves in style, their access to credit is not that vast. by law
further, it's in the US that now student debt can't be defaulted upon. which makes banks more willing to lend to students
in all this, it's domestic laws that set the market, not the currency and not even the CB.
give unlimited credit for something where there is competition for the best places, and you'll get... very high prices
which then makes for even more demand for... credit
your "next global currency" theme is, I fear, one of those myths that are carefully crafted so that you do not question the system and the relevant laws
and what works with students... works with housing. but that would be an even longer comment full of depressing cultural biases
No, you're right, currency is not the cause of debt enslavement, it is the means. A debt based currency not backed by anything tangible creates perpetual theft through inflation. The MIC and socialist policies are then pushed by the groups profiting from countries running deficits, the proceeds are used to further socially engineer the populace and effect policy to their liking.
Essentially we are not only being robbed, but the proceeds of our labor are being used against us to strengthen and refine the system of bondage.
I didn't junk you btw, student loans are another clusterfuck, don't get me started.
gold. did gold cause debt enslavement? not directly, as I am arguing, but it did not make any difference
laws. laws that put people in debt prisons, and some of them got the option of redeeming part of this debt by indentured labour in the New World
yes, inflation is a kind of default, and yes, sovereigns use inflation to do that, and yes, it is robbing Paul to give to Peter
but no currency causes debt enslavement as you describe. laws do
meanwhile, access to credit is important. and sold as a kind of "freedom".
imagine for a moment how much universities or housing would cost if there was no access to credit whatsoever. or only half of today's
imagine for a moment if cars were not allowed to be used as collateral, and so there could be no financing of cars
it's all about how credit laws are structured, not currency. what is allowed as collateral, who has access to it and how much. the rest is supply and demand
and later... how repossession and bankruptcy laws are written
Gold backed currency forced a rebalancing eventually. As the bankers gold was loaned out, their claim to wealth diminished as the loans were became mostly bad loans in the end and the bankers were bereft of their gold to fall back on. Paper currency issued by the banks gives the banks the upper hand, as their control NEVER DIMINISHES even as the number of bad loans exponentially increases. In fact, as these bad loans exponentially increase, so does the bankers claims to the underlying assets exponentially increase
that is correct in a lot of cases, including trade imbalances among countries and many other cases
but I am talking about what causes debt serfdom, currency or credit systems and laws
at the individual level, it's laws that make the difference between prison, legal default, repossession or even indentured serfdom and deportation of old
the US Student Loans problem is not caused by the fiat dollar. with the same laws, you would have the same problem even if the US used gold
This (debt) note is legal tender
another example of a law
The usurers need a diversion.........war it shall be......
"the future cannot repay todays debts"-trav7777
First currency wars, then real wars.
No real wars are possible any more for the US to carry out, as that would entail a draft. Any draft would spark an immediate domestic uprising. All that the US can do in the future is to continually fund proxy wars, hoping that Russian and China can be set at odds with each other.
The goal is to reshape the world into a financially run system with branches in every capital and with the power center in Jerusalem.
At that point, Rabbi Yosef, the Chief Rabbi of the ruling Likud party in Israel, summation that 'the only purpose of goys is to serve Jews' would come true. What a nightmare faces the world.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/5-of-ovadia-yosefs-most-controversial-quotations/
From his October 2010 radio sermon to his millions of followers in Israel:
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”
“In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.
“This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”
“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.”
The only think we can do is educate via this site.
this is one of those instances where talented graphics couldn't be more wrong...
75% of US debt is held by the public... China's holdings are very small in comparison to that, and utterly meaningless...
you should have been paying attention when I broke down the US 2016 budget outlays, then you could have saved yourself the trouble of creating this obvious propaganda puff piece...
At least he shrinks them down to a reasonable size now.
NOW THAT'S FUNNY
The MIC gets a hardon when China talks like that.
a small correction: both MICs, the American and the Chinese, get...
Yes, but US boner draws a lot more blood...
Admiral Wu Shengli: ...a minor incident could spark war in the South China Sea...
Admiral John Richardson: COOL BEANS!
China says "No you still can't have a port of call to meet our Hawt army babes on Mischief reef."
Keep moving Pal
given the behavior I've seen most Asian chicks exhibit around white guys, I'm surprised they aren't swimming along the Lassen like dolphins...
Exactly what the insane leftist neocons in the DC want.
neocons pounding their chest with MIC licking their chops....
Yeah, yeah, whatever. China showed their true colors when they blinked. This is just more absurd theater for the masses. The MIC must get paid, and posturing like this is beneficial to both countries. Give the people a boogie man.
And yet the theater is dead, so long live the theater.
Russia and China are the founding member states of The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) an intergovernmental economic and military alliance of mutual security.
Shanghai Cooperation Organization Forces:
Active personnel 5,325,000
Reserve personnel 7,675,000
Available personnel for immediate activation and Conscription 192,039,958
Total of personnel 205,039,958
The economic and numerical might of China, together with the military prowess and vast nuclear arsenal of Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-NThtA606o
Can they all swim?
If not, then they make no difference in a naval engagement.
Where are the Chinese going to invade?
Anybody hear of the "The War of Jenkins Ear".
Things much more trivial have caused wars.
That was pretty much a last warning to anybody caring to listen.
Now 'face' is involved, not to be underestimated.
Especially when it's the face of 'The One' the magical negro.
You are so right about that. I read a book 20 years ago called "Thick Face, Black Heart", written by a Chinese woman for the benefit of western people who needed to understand Chinese thinking. Her emphasis was on the fact that you had better try to understand them if you want to do business with them.
That book was an absolute eye opener. Their way of thinking is much more mature than ours, way better measured, and thinking in terms of 100 years (like the Illuminati) as opposed to our way of thinking two years ahead. You can see this maturity and calm exhibited in any speech by Jinping. Very classy outwardly, even though he might be seething inside. Believe it or not, Putin also has this character to quite an extent, although Putin is more apt to tell a truth that might embarrass somebody else when a Chinese would likely withhold that thought.
They also have a much healthier respect for elders and the concept of 'family'. But the one thing to never underestimate is the importance of 'saving face'. They are giving fair warning to the US admin., and by all measures it is a warning well deserved. US leaders had better get this straight, China will not back down. As you said... "face is involved", thick face, meaning they will not betray what they are thinking.
War of Jenkin's Ear was minor compared to the Crimean War or the Boer War
The dead would disagree with that statement if they could.
Calling any war minor is an oxymoron.
The counter strike possibilities against a waning and bankrupt hegemon intrigue me more than the instigation. The choice and precedent of the Philippines in the Spanish American War by a certain Assistant Secretary of the Navy, when both parties were nominally "on the the other side of the word" would indicate there are far more possibilities than the South China Sea on the table, even before taking into account the increase in asymmetric retaliation options.
By Nick Beams30 October 2015
The Chinese military has warned that it will take “all necessary” measures in response to continued US naval incursions into what it regards as its territorial waters. This follows Tuesday’s sail-through by the USS Lassen within the 12-nautical-mile limit surrounding two Chinese-constructed islands in the South China Sea.
The warning came amid a series of reports that this week’s operation was not a “one-off” but the start of an ongoing program in which the US will continue military operations in the region under the bogus banner of “freedom of navigation.”
Chinese defence ministry spokesman Colonel Yang Yujun declared: “We would urge the US not to continue down the wrong path. But if the US side does continue, we will take all necessary measures according to need.” He emphasised that China’s determination to defend its national sovereignty and security interests was “rock solid.”
The US operations have nothing to do with ensuring the free flow of commerce, which China has no interest in preventing, but are aimed at placing pressure on Chinese defence facilities, particularly those located on the southern island of Hainan.
Having conducted its initial foray to challenge China, the US is looking for international support, both diplomatically and through the participation of other countries in its military operations. So far that support has been rather limited.
The German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who is in China, said it was important that sea trade routes should remain open. But she did not offer direct support for the US actions. The purpose of her two-day visit is to promote economic ties, and included the signing of a deal with China to buy 130 aircraft manufactured by the European-based Airbus group,
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/10/30/chin-o30.html
The US is confronted with daunting and structural economic challenges- a stagnant/declining economy, high unemployment, coupled with anemic job growth (> 90% of “new” jobs are temp positions- low pay, no benefits or job security) and increasing deficits. The US economy has been propped up the transfer of $ trillions from taxpayers to Wall St banks- aka QE. This money has in turn inflated assets- stocks and trendy real estate in SF, Boston, NYC, etc. In response to its economic decline, US foreign has become increasingly bellicose and reckless and now directly threatening China and Russia. By joining the US in threatening China, Australia and Japan will likely be targeted with Russian and Chines nuclear weapons. Did Japan learn anything from WWII?
Russia and China are the founding member states of The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) an intergovernmental economic and military alliance of mutual security.
Shanghai Cooperation Organization Forces:
Active personnel 5,325,000
Reserve personnel 7,675,000
Available personnel for immediate activation and Conscription 192,039,958
Total of personnel 205,039,958
The economic and numerical might of China, together with the military prowess and vast nuclear arsenal of Russia.
Get the aircraft carrier with the drones and light up Beijing.
That should get things rolling!!!
'We have to continue crazy provocations, sticking our nose in everywhere, or else some folks in the Philippines will think less of us'....lol idiots.
China won't do shit.
The profundity of that comment suggests one of the astute observers of human nature surrounding the man who is currently living in The White House. It does not reflect reality but in a hall of distorting mirrors what does ?
Regardless of US policy China would not attack the United States they (the Chinese) would be decimated in a war.
That's what McCain guaranteed about Russia in Syria.
Yeah he did didn't he. Neither Russia nor China would risk a war with the United States.
Recall what Carroll Quigley argued in his 1961 book The Evolution of Civilizations: "It is clear that every civilization undergoes a process of historical change. We can see that a civilization comes into existence, passes through a long experience, and eventually goes out of existence...
Beyond recognizing that civilizations begin and end, historians are fairly well agreed that, after they begin, they flourish and grow for a while, that eventually they reach a peak of power and prosperity, and that they weaken and decay before their final end.
The Stage of Decay is a period of acute economic depression, declining standards of living, civil wars between the various vested interests, and growing illiteracy. The society grows weaker and weaker. Vain efforts are made to stop the wastage through legislation. But the decline continues. The religious, intellectual, social, and political levels of the society begin to lose allegiance of the masses of the people on a large scale. This period of decay may last for a long time but eventually the civilization can no longer defend itself."
http://olduvai.ca
The problem is for everybody, especially Europe and the USA is that if the US sparks a real war with China or Russia.
All are aware that the USA has superior numbers when it comes to military assets and that to get into a conventional war with the USA would be fruitless and very long drawn out and one that wouldn't be won. Given also that the US wouldn't care if 10 of thousands of American soldiers were dying, if the money was coming to the Defense corps.
The strategie being aware of the obvious for nations like China and Russia (if they dont want to lose a long war that would leave them bankrupt and ruined, but still leave the US intact enough to continue domination) is to go early with a hot war.
Now after the exchange of half a dozen nuclear explosions in each country there would follow all out nuclear conflageraion or a very hurried truce and cesation of war.
In fact what would the USA do if China in retaliation to some very serious provocation did use a tactical nuke? And China may see this as the only way to deal with the US by calling the ultimate bluff, rather than go through decades of the same USA encircle China doctrine.
Would the US push the button knowing that it would also be a self destruct button?
McArthur, you better put down the Corn Cob pipe before you get hurt.
Don't assume rationality in DC.
They have already proved, beyond reasonable doubt, that they have none.
My only question is when does the casino get completed?
I think the Chinese are building another HongKong or Macau.
Any new maps with "China Beach" listed on them?
Obama is like a violent, anti-socia,l sub-intelligent street person standing on a corner demanding respect from passerbys as he begs for change. If you look at what he does through that lens, things make sense. He just walks around getting in the face of the last person he feels disrespected him, no matter what the cost to his long term situation.
How I see Obama.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzf8YKjvmkc
He just keeps pushing the button, expecting another pellet.
There are few words in the english language I hate more than "Disrespected". I hate it with a passion.
It sets of the way respect works on its head and trys to make respect an input rather than an output or result.
Again part of "Disresponsibilitedness" that is going on in the US...
And with regard to Japan. They have conveniently built a number of nuclear power stations around the country that make easy targets, if they think want to fight China.
And Australia, Obama's poodle, and military mosquito, wants to piss off its major client, in a recession, so that it loses all its business to South America, and finds itself in a long depression. But I guess the US promised Australia a pat on the back and some nice words to make it feel better should it gets arse cut out.
when??????????????
The Chinese think they can put up a tollbooth on a public road in their neighbors yard.
I don't see that working out very well for them. Talking froggy but sitting there blinking is not a recipe for success.
Not that it's any of our business until they try to collect.
I'm beginning to think All world Leaders want a World War .now. Currency Wars, Trade Wars, World Wars. Just like clock work. You can hack your clock by these mother fuckers.
They do. Its all fucked up and war fixes everything. It restarts the economy and guess what, people will accept anything... even NWO.
A common human fallacy, to see emergent properties and structure as designed and planned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
lol, "Now don't cross THIS line."
Tough to draw a line in the ocean.
Wonder if SCO will "Donald Cook" 'em first, before a shot is fired.
We live in a Matrix! If you haven't heard whispers, you have now. And if you have heard whispers, then the mere fact I am posting about it, is proof! All we have to do to dismantle the Matrix, is think about dismantling the Matrix. That's all. Numbers count and the more thinkers on board, the sooner we bannish the Dark controllers. Fait accompli. It is the Will of God.
Well said.
Man, I wanna meet you!!!
Amen!
Just embargo them. Ban all trade in a joint effort with Japan, Australia, Philippines, Korea, Taiwan and Malaysia. Guaranteed that they fold in less than a month.
Of course, Apple and Walmart might go bankrupt but in reality who cares.
Putting up an embargo will also cause massive unrest in China and maybe even be enough to topple the Communist Government.
It will also speed up the pace of robotic manufacturing which is already starting to take hold around the world. All those jobs in China making Apple and Walmart crap are disappearing anyway and moving back to the US as high tech jobs but in vastly reduced numbers.
And for those of you who say that they have trillions in our debt; if you owe the bank $20,000 you have a problem but if you owe the bank $1.4 trillion, the bank has a problem. They have a really big problem.
Fundamentally the issue exists because everyone knows there are massive oil deposits in the area. China knows it will be just like Germany and Japan in WWII if it does not get a secure supply of domestic oil in its grasp.
fundamentally, you are a war monger. using the usual war mongering script: "embargo them, put them on their knees"
fundamentally, you are advising for the very same policy that the US used versus Japan, and the response was Pearl Harbour
just saying
And your point is what, exactly? We should have allowed the Japanese to continue raping China? FDR was no saint, and may have accelerated the start of that war, but the war was inevitable once the idiots running Japan decided they had a right to the resources of Asia.
If China thinks they have a right to the oil or whatevr under the Spratlies, its time to start the war now before they bring their forces to an even higher state of readiness.
Or do you think this time, unlike all the other times in history, appeasement will work?
No, what i think is that our own country is falling fucking apart. That we have un-payable debts. That SS and MC are bankrupt. That soon millions of seniors will be told they have to get by on less. That soon ALL pensioners at city, state, and federal level will be told there is not enough money for us to keep our promises to you. That our borders are wide fucking open and any terrorist can come right the fuck in and do whatever they want. That those same borders are allowing millions through that are draining our welfare coffers. You present a fucking nihilist fucking bullshit argument...
Whats the truth about these massive oil deposits?
There is only one damn reason for the US to be doing this.
China is wrong. You do not build things in other people's backyards and then lay a claim to it.
How about your own back yard?
(Just wondering, do you also reject the European settlement of the Americas?)
The freedom of navigation patrols need to continue, China's bellicose rhetoric notwithstanding.
It would be a big mistake to knuckle under to the Communist state.
What a childish article. Only an idiot or a blind man would take China's side on this. Those islands are so grossly outside of China's legitimate zone of control that yes, if it takes dead sailors and Marines to evict them, so be it. Just make damn sure a lot more Chinese die than our losses.
There should be a standing battle group, including VietNamese, Filipino, indonesian, and Brunei assets patolling the UN demarked control line. They should be patrolling exactly up to the actual coastline of those international islands.
They should sink anything in the sea or air that gets in their way.
The fact that our Idiot In Chief will not lead this effort proves - if any more proof was needed - that he never was qualified to hold the office he now does.
What a childish response....
"They should sink anything in the sea or air that gets in their way."
Diego Garcia? Hardly near the US. In fact about 6000 miles from the US. The local population was kicked out to build that US base.
One of the problems with that thinking is the US values its warriors lives more than the chinese do theirs. This applies both to citizens and warriors...
The US will lose that numbers game every time and everone knows it.
HalinCA "Those islands are so grossly outside of China's legitimate zone of control..."
Explain Guam and the Marshall Islands...
HalinCA
"outside of China's legitimate zone of control"?
who decides that? You?
who should control it? the USA?
Are you familiar with the history of the region, international agreements and law, the various claims,
and past Chinese and regional attempts to resolve disputes
BEFORE US meddling??
You claimed "it's worth it if we kill more of them than us".
Really? Is that what makes "it" worth "it".
How many more? One or two enough? Do children and civilians count in your equations?
A lot of idiots and blind men assembled here.
Most Zero Hedgers are so stridently anti-American that they'll reflexively take the other side regardless.
"Washington’s regional allies all but swear that the PLA is planning an imminent invasion"
Imminent invasion of what, whom? A naval invasion can be accomplished without going to the expense and time of building sand castles. Islands become a better target than any floating vessel that has freedom of movement. The talk of an invasion coming from these newly constructed islands is pure fantasy and dare I say it - bullshit.
Worst thing that the Chinese could do is start the War, then the USSA will have its excuses it needs to say "We were the victims" then blast the media with this crap and avoid all the other things and issues.
In other words.......... "So how about this economy" ?
All plans/contingency plans go well until the unexpected happens.
Or as Mike Tyson puts it: "Everybody has a plan until they get hit in the face".
Unless somebody blinks war will follow. All countries need female ministers of defense. There will be war of course but it will be over shoes, not islands.
huh?
"female"? - like Hillary, Condileeza, Nuland, Albright,
or Samantha Powers? ? ?
More like these: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-29/spot-defense-minister
USA military spending is more than the next 10 nations combined. So no worries.
Except that USA spends $400,000 on a helmet, so those numbers probably don't correlate to anything meaningful.
Nature abhors a vacuum. China , Russia, Iran and maybe others are just getting while the getting is good. They know that the next President, whether it is Clinton or any republican will not continue Obama's foreign policies . They know it is harder to take something back than it is to prevent it in the first place.
Ha, Ha - ask South Vietnam about our "supposed omnipotence and invincibility".... Wait, what do you mean that there is NO South Vietnam?...
Country of debt,
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/analysis/2015/presidents-2016-budget-...
Wants a WAR? Really??
Socialism programs: 60% of budget.
Interest on debt: 7% of budget.
Military: 17% of budget.
Yeah.. let see that how much that wellfare socialism would last.
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Due to YU-ASS capitalism? Most companies that exist during WWII? Doesn't exist anymore. Through M&A? Most defense contractors are only a handfull. You see McDonald Douglas? NAA? Nope. Gone already.
China has about 300 nuke warhead. There isn't enough target in the YU-ASS for that many nuke. The same happens to China. There aren't that many target worth nuke warhead in china (about 150 is enough for China)
So, if china wants to destroys american MIC? Just bomb boeing factory (there only 1 integration plant for boeing), Lockheed Martin/Skunk Works, General Dynamic, Rockwell collins, Northrop Grummans, Intel,AMD, Monsanto, Wallstreet, Chicago CME, IBM, Broadcom, Texas Instruments, Area 51, and you already takedown about 70% MIC ability to built new military hardwares.
Who closed down factories during outsourcing era, and move it overseas? (To china mainly). Who closed many mines and just resorted to buy the raw materials from overseas? Cause they're cheaper?
In WWII you're facing an enemy's with about <500 million peoples. Right now YU-ASS about to go to war with an enemy that numbered in >1.6 Billions!! Really you want a war with this nation??
The majority of YU-ASS people, think they still have the capacity to produced anything by themself. I'll give you 1 example. Steel manufactures. See who produced the most steel in the world!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_steel_producers
In time of war? Don't you would need many more steel to built war machine? So, do you be able to rival china manufacturing behemoth??
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So.... yeah. Continue mocking up china. Push them over the edge to war. Let's see who would survives in the end (tough in a bloody damaged world for sure. Don't kid yourself about war).
I who seen it from the distance. Already knows what the result would be...
Imprecise words muddy the issue.
This confrontation is NOT about "freedom of the seas" for commerce.
The US is asserting a "right" for its warships to patrol and be stationed
12 miles from the coast of any nation (and for that to be considered innocuous).
However, the US would certainly regard it as "provocative" if Russian or Chinese warships
were stationed 12 miles away from major US cities or military installations.
I am sure many Chinese are riled by US gunboat diplomacy,
especially those familiar with
the history of Western colonialism, the Opium Wars,
and the seizures and naval bombardments of Chinese coastal cities.
You are right, imprecise words do muddy the issue. As does leaving out context.
"However, the US would certainly regard it as "provocative" if Russian or Chinese warships were stationed 12 miles away from major US cities or military installations."
The trick of course with your sophistry is that you assumed the military installations. No mention in your words about how said military installations are being built right now, how they are being placed to seize control over portions of the sea and to threaten their neighbors, how they are completely artificial.
You are the king of muddying the issue, and a rank and obvious propogandist.
try again
to find "context".
The US does claim the "right" to patrol its warships everywhere outside 12 miles,
NOT just this Chinese-built island.
As for the legitimacy of the Chinese construction, or the legitimacy of construction also done by other Asian nations, those are not issues for the US government to decide.
The US does not disprove the legitimacy of the Chinese construction by a show of gunboat diplomacy. There are many many issues of resource "rights" to be resolved in Asia, and most every other continent. Diplomacy is what is needed, not confrontation, especially in context of the stated and obvious aggressive US policy to dominate and "contain" China militarily(pivot) and economically (TPP).
(FYI, your ad hominems also prove nothing except about yourself.)
Setting the war meme among the sheeple. Cramer just mentioned the "Chinese navy" for the first time ever on CNBS. Along with "sea lanes" and the importance of keeping shipping channels open - obviously dumbing the issues down for the average American and CNBC viewer.
China is all mad and threatening, yet they won't even buy up this $15 silver and ask for delivery.
Pussies.
Can we manufacture our own underwear now?
I think a few Harmonically created tidal waves would be more subtle than sending a battleship.
the zionists jews ( who control the west & live in deep bumkers, yes i did say bumkers lol) are determined to start another war... thats all folks need to realize & prepare for.
This will become a "pushing and shoving" match until somebody's face gets bloodied.
I really think that the US needs to organize multi-national flotillas ... with ships from the Philippines, South Korea, Japan and Vietnam. ALL of those countries have a serious stake in the principle of "freedom of the seas" in the South China Sea. China will think twice, before it harasses an international flotilla. l
What a POS propaganda article. If you think this is akin to friendly kid building sand castles and mean kid threatening to destroy them you are a absolute moron. China is building military bases so they can seize control of the sea and readily go to war (murder) a bunch of people in other countries if they want. Yes the American government is incredibly corrupt and engaged in Imperialism over the world and it is hypocritical to call China out for the same, and so on. Still doesn't change the fact China is being a warmonger and that standing up to that is valid.
China and Russia are pushing to see if Our FearFUL leader (intentional lower case) will cave as we all expect him to. Everybody is talking about Syria and ISIS and Russia lays claim to the Artic oil fields and DARES Obumer to do something about it.
Come on folks, the SHOOTING war is going to start soon and there is nothing short of a military takeover of DC that will stop it. Those bastards in Washington and Brussels want it...it's gonna happen.
I have no dog in this fight.
However, I look at a map to find these shoals that the chinese communist dictatorship has chosen to build into islands and I notice immediately 2 points:
1. they are so far away from China as to be regarded as part of China ONLY if you believe in colonialism and territorial conquest
2. they are NOT far out in the open ocean but ARE IMMEDIATELY adjacent to the Philippines, which strongly suggests that they should be under the jurisdiction of the Philippines - NOT a country far far far away
After observing the bloviating of the chinese communist dictatorship on on this islands topic, coming just days after a HUGE demonstration and media campaign to remind the world about the aggression and territorial conquest of Japan's military dictatorship in the 19930's, I am compelled to call BULLSHIT on the chinese communist dictatorship's claims to these reefs AND accuse them of EXACTLY the same kind of militaristic territorial conquest committed by Japan's military dictatorship in the 19930's.
CONCLUSION: HYPOCRISY + PROPAGANDA
If I were leader of the free world, I would assemble a fleet from all the other Asian nations, sail to these "islands", land a force of weather and science observers and researchers on them, and dig in for the long haul - treat them just like Antarctica, ie they are NOT owned by anyone.