ISIS Releases Video Of Alleged Russian Airplane Mid-Air Exposion After It Claims Responsibility For Disaster
That didn't take long: following the worst Russian airplane disaster in history, the question everyone was asking is who is responsible. Moments ago we may have gotten the answer.
A militant group affiliated to Islamic State in Egypt claimed responsibility for the downing of a Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt's Sinai peninsula on Saturday, the group said in a statement circulated by supporters on Twitter.
Below is the full statement from a group alleging to speak on behalf of Islamic State, posted on their affiliate site, translated by the Guardian's Jahd Khalil. It offers no evidence that the group brought down the plane, apart from their word.
Breaking: Downing of Russian airplane, killing of more than 220 Russian crusaders on board.
Soldiers of the Caliphate were able to bring down a Russian plane above Sinai Province with at least 220 Russian crusaders aboard.
They were all killed, praise be to God. O Russians, you and your allies take note that you are not safe in Muslims lands or their skies.
The killing of dozens daily in Syria with bombs from your planes will bring woe to you. Just as you are killing others, you too will be killed, God willing.
The tweet in question:
#Egypt #ISIS Claim Responsibility for shot down the Russian Aircraft over Sinai #IS #ISIL pic.twitter.com/tBCRt7Xen1
— Abu Ibrahim Raqqawi (@raqqa_mcr) October 31, 2015
Many expressed their initial skepticism that ISIS is the responsible party:
UPDATE: Responding to IS claim, Russian Transport Ministry says it "can't be considered true;" plane at 31k feet, outside MANPAD range, @BBC
— Stratfor (@Stratfor) October 31, 2015
#ISIS claim re. #Russia airliner -- 3 possibilities:
1. False claim
2. Bomb on plane
3. ISIS [somehow] has advanced air defense missiles.
— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) October 31, 2015
An analyst with the Center for American Progress, Mokhtar Awad, told the Guardian that the Islamic State’s claim of responsibility "is quite vague.
“It doesn’t state how they were able to ‘down’ the plane allegedly. Even the most sophisticated of portable surface-to-air missiles cannot reach that high an altitude and are only a threat during periods of take-off or landing, but the plane had already climbed to its target altitude (from what we know thus far) when it began to likely experience technical failures.
The local affiliate, Wilayat Sinai, has been under some pressure over the past few months and may have jumped the gun on taking credit. Although there isn’t a precedent for such a spectacular lie about something they claim to have done, Islamic State itself has recently been embellishing more and more. For instance it claimed that the recent prison raid by Kurdish and US special forces were a total failure, when in fact video evidence surfaced showed them freeing the hostages. So this may be an instance of the rooster taking credit for the dawn.”
Of course, it could simply have been a bomb planted on the plane and set to explade after 20 minutes of flight time.
Another theory that has emerged is that a prior structural shock (in 2001) led to a spontenous midair disintegration:
What jumps out from this particular airplane’s record is an accident that it suffered on November 16, 2001 while landing at Cairo (while owned and operated by Middle East Airlines). As it touched down the nose was pointing at too high an angle and the tail hit the tarmac – heavily enough to cause substantial damage.
Tail strikes like this are not uncommon. The airplane was repaired and would have been rigorously inspected then and during subsequent maintenance checks. Nonetheless investigators who will soon have access to the Airbus’s flight data recorder will take a hard look at what is called the rear pressure bulkhead, a critical seal in the cabin’s pressurization system. Images from the wreckage in the Sinai show parts of the tail and rear fuselage near the site of this bulkhead lying clear of the rest of the debris, suggesting a possible break-up in flight.
In the event of a failure of this bulkhead, the airplane would have suffered a sudden and potentially explosive decompression; at its final recorded altitude of 31,000 feet the difference between the pressure inside the cabin and the air outside would have been at the point where such a catastrophic failure would be most likely to occur. The wreckage shows no signs of a fire or an engine-related explosion.
On the other hand, this is like saying Lehman had an earnings miss in 1994 and filed bankruptcy 14 years later.
Even Russia's transport minister Maksim Sokolov has said that the claim Islamic State militants brought down the plane "can’t be considered accurate".
Now in various media there is assorted information that the Russian [plane]... was supposedly shot down by an anti-aircraft missile, fired by terrorists. This information can’t be considered accurate.
However, to corroborate their claim, ISIS has allegedly released this shocking video showing what appears to be a mid-air bomb explosion.
Viewer discretion advised.
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— ???? (@iq2015_bgd) October 31, 2015
Although according to latest social media updates, even IS Sinai is stating that this video is fake.
IS Sinai says purported vid of Russian plane being down is a fake
— Samer Al-Atrush (@SameralAtrush) October 31, 2015
As a reminder, this is where the alleged explosion occurred:
Whether or not the video is real or staged like many of ISIS' previous "made in Hollywood" productions, is currently unknown.
Of course, is the same ISIS which a recently leaked CIA report revealed as being created by the CIA as a "tool" to overthrow Syria's Assad.
In other words, a proxy organization of US "shadow government destabilizing operations", trained in U.S. ally Turkey, and openly funded by both U.S. allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, just took down a Russian plane.
The question now is did ISIS use a US-made surface-to-air missile to start what may be a very unpleasant war.
Also, does Russia get a carte blanche to begin attacks on ISIS in Egypt now, the same Egypt which recently "purchased" the two Mistral ships made by France, which were meant to be bought by Russia in a deal that was scrapped in the last minute due to NATO intervention?
One thing is clear: if the Russian population had any qualms about continuing the campaign in Syria, they were just eliminated in perpetuity.
We now await the Russian response, against both ISIS and its direct and indirect sponsors.
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Looks like the US advisors just gave MANPADS to ISIS... Avoid flying until World War 3 is over.
They still fly commercial planes over Egypt?
Who knew...
The death throws of the American Empire.
As in throw any idiot plan against the wall and see if anything sticks, and if anything doesn't, everyone dies.
Langley has finally sent its message to Putin
+1. Now the chess master has his move.
The only way to revive the US economy is start, and win, a major war, so that's what's gonna happen. These are all just incremental moves so everyone is in position after the economic attacks have run their course.
Sorry folks, but Russia will not win the war.
ISIS has the best binoculars....knowing it was Russian at 31,000 ft, impressive.
Libyan missiles on the loose - WaPo May 2012
Whenever the CIA uncovers a new plot overseas, like al-Qaeda’s latest scheme to blow up civilian aircraft using advanced, hard-to-detect explosives, people breathe a sigh of relief. But this is a multifront war, and almost by definition, the attack that gets you is the one you didn’t see coming.
For the past few months, I’ve been hearing private warnings about another threat to commercial planes — namely, the spread of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles from Libya after the overthrow of Moammar Gaddafi’s regime. A State Department official said in February that Gaddafi had acquired 20,000 of these weapons, and that only 5,000 of them had been secured through a $40 million U.S. program to buy up loose missiles.
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“How many are still missing?” asked Andrew Shapiro, assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs, in his Feb. 2 speech. “The frank answer is we don’t know and probably never will.”
Here’s the scary part: Two former CIA counterterrorism officers told me last week that technicians recently refurbished 800 of these man-portable air-defense systems (known as MANPADS) — some for an African jihadist group called Boko Haram that is often seen as an ally of al-Qaeda — for possible use against commercial jets flying into Niger, Chad and perhaps Nigeria.
The former CIA officers have been trying for eight months to alert U.S. intelligence, without success. Here’s a summary of the messages I’ve seen.
On Sept. 9, 2011, as Gaddafi’s regime was collapsing, one of the former CIA officers warned an FBI contact that Libyan missiles were moving south into the Agadez region of Niger inhabited by Tuareg tribesmen, who are believed to have links with al-Qaeda. He explained to the FBI contact that an Arab source “said there are SA-7s and SA-24s (two Russian-made weapons) already on the ground in Agadez from Libya in the hands of Tuareg AQ affiliated groups.” He heard nothing back.
In a Sept. 12 e-mail, the former CIA officer wrote his FBI friend that the Niger contacts “have determined locally that the [United States government] doesn’t want to help them” chase down the missiles. “I suspect [the Near East division of CIA] squashed this by their normal bureaucratic warfare,” he speculated.
The CIA veteran still hoped that U.S. intelligence would get involved, so he provided the name and telephone number of a relative of a former Libyan intelligence officer who allegedly had helped move the missiles out of the country. On Sept. 15, he also sent the FBI contact phone numbers for the Arab source in Niger who was closely monitoring the missile movements.
On Sept. 28, the frustrated ex-CIA officer wrote a U.S. military contact: “The missiles are in the hands of al-Qaeda and being distributed. I would really like to know who in the agency was the roadblock and why.”
Still, the former CIA officer heard nothing back. In December, he wrote another FBI contact that a “speed bump” at the agency apparently was blocking communication.
Finally, in late April, the two former CIA officers received information so urgent they felt they had to get it out, somehow. They sent to a law enforcement contact a picture of a rebel fighter aiming one of the Libyan missiles, and this explanation: “The missiles and munitions that have been streaming out of Libya since the fall of 2011 have made their way to Agadez in Niger and points west. .?.?. Boko Haram has taken possession of some of the refurbished missiles. They have brought Egyptian army ordnance technicians to refurbish and test the SA-7B missiles pictured below. .?.?. The source claims that some 800 missiles are available in the area.”
Last weekend, the CIA veterans finally heard from someone claiming to represent their former employer. The agency official was interested in talking to their Arab source.
When I asked senior U.S. officials for comment, they said they hadn’t heard about the specifics of this case, or the e-mail exchanges. But they agreed the Libyan missiles are a serious problem. “It’s probably true that a small number of Libyan MANPADS have been sold on the black market, and that al-Qaeda in the Maghreb is trying to acquire them,” said a senior U.S. official.
great post, AC, +1000
russian news, denying it was isis. blaming it on the old plane.
and the video is now gone. The youtube message states the account that posted it has been terminated. hmmmmmmmmmm
For all the savvy behind the 'Tylers'...you'd think they'd use software (easily available) to copy the youtube vid instead of just linking it.
Hey Tyler, FWIW typing in ISIS on google right now puts you at the #3 position on the In The News section. Might want to call up the reserves in your server army...
For those still looking, video still here:
http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/isis-islamic-state-shooting-down-metrojet-...
Ha - Xibalba, you joined a week earlier than me, I never realized you were a waywaybacker.
Egypt has SLAMRAAM, that could have done it.
IF TRUE...iSIS Just Signed their...
Well, Ruskie Fury About to Start in SYRIA...
Looks doctored to me.
The real question is:
Was It The MOSSAD, the CIA, ISIS Or All Three?
http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/10/russian-airliner-takedown-over-si...
If Nuclear weapons were ok to use on civilians in WW2 why not use tactical nukes on ISIS in the Syrian desert? I think the USA set the precedent, the Russians need to put it to good use.
Does ISIS also take credit for the sinking of the Titannic with thousands of infidels aboard?
HA! This smacks so fucking hard of a false flag. Us wants escalation so as to get an excuse to invade syria/iraq themselves. now with russia given an excuse to escalate, us gets an excuse to escalate. anything to distract the us shitizens of the pending collapse.
At least they didn't plow this one into a building. But did any buildings fall in sympathy?
That "note" is so reminiscent of the "anthrax letters" from 14 years ago...
"This is next... Take penacilin now... Death To America... Death To Israel... Allah is great"
If we can't see the same hands behind this very poor propaganda ploy, God help us. Again, cui bono, folks?
Here's the video at The Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/10/breaking-isis-takes-credit-for-s...
Note the proximity to jooland.
Why do these fuckers (I am assuming them to be Neo-cons) have such a fetish about causing plane creashes ?
Because you can't read and hack into blackboxes
The chessmaster better watch it, he's playing "The Pigeon", and The Pigeon is playing MARBLES!
Did World Trade Center 8 free fall into its basement after the crash?
Well, the plane was actually at 28,375ft when it exploded, so yeah, that would be OK for a camcorder or binoculars right?
They have yet to 'pull-it' on the pyramids.
I think you are thinking way too convoluted. The false flag story is just way over the top. Be it from Russian or US side. The video looks quite real, but at 30k feet it can't be shoulder launched. But there is a chance some AA missiles where accessible via Libya for instance. In any case, if Putin needed an additional reason for the Syria campaign, he has just found one with the fullest backing of its people. If ISIS thinks this is reason to celebrate, they don't know what an anrgy bear is capable of. They are in for some serious hurt.
FOOLS.
PUTIN HAS MADE A HGUGE GEOPOLITICAL BLUNDER
HE MUST RESPOND BECAUSE
HIS ENTIRE POLITICAL IMAGE IS
ARNOLD MACHO TUFF GUY...
AND RUSSIA WILL BE SUCKED DEEP INTO TARBABY
OF RABID CRAZY TRIBAL MIDDLE EAST NUT-ZONE....
THEN ISIS SENDS BOMBS INTO RUSSIA.
PUTIN FUCKED. LOSES 2018 ELECTION. WATCH.
probably revenge for russians doing the same thing in ukraine
still sad tho :( putin and obama are both killers
He mentioned once about why no one is questioning the funding of ISIS.... yet always the West threatens the evil enablers of terrorists... be on the lookout for supply chain dots being connected and destroyed all the way to the sources.
It is rumored that Toyota pick-ups were seen pulling away from Krokatoa right before it blew.
My guess is on the Ali Babas from Saudis Arabia. They are in big trouble now wihth low oil prices and lots of civil unrest. Creating chaos elsewhere is to their advantage. Plus, if they can blow up the world trade center and get away scott free, a Russian plane with over 200 people is small potatoes for them.
"Tactical Nukes" said the pretty face....
The real question is, what is Russian for "blowback"? ISIS guys probably can't shoot down an airliner at altitude, but they could infiltrate an Egyptian airport and plant a bomb in the cargo hold.
So many people on the ZH message board nowdays seem like born yesterday. Think of a little history: for a decade the CIA was openly supplying weapons and training to Afghan forces that were killing Russians; and during an earlier decade the Russians were openly supplying weapons and training to the Vietnamese who were killing US forces. Proxy wars have a long history. It's almost like rules of the game.
It was rare in the past to target civilian airliners, because that was against the rules, sort of a low blow. I actually doubt that the Israelis or US would help Sunni militias specifically to target a civilian airliner, given how much they have to lose in that realm. No doubt the Israelis, US, gulf Arabs et al. are plotting blowback against Russia for its boots on the ground in Syria, but within the rules established for decades of proxy fighting during the cold war. No doubt there have been urgent phone calls to that effect today.
Alas, the amorphous network of Sunni militias in the Middle East today is difficult to manage, or even figure out. It's not so clean as working with the mujahadeen of old, or Uncle Ho's well-disciplined army.
The real question is, what is Russian for "blowback"? ISIS guys probably can't shoot down an airliner at altitude, but they could infiltrate an Egyptian airport and plant a bomb in the cargo hold.
Another possibility: The plane was empty (or not) and remotely detonated (by Russia) to garner support for the war at home. That might sound crazy ....... but not that crazy ....
I can not believe nobody said nothing about this possibility. Still Putin wins
If it were "Blowback" for Russia, then it would be the consequences of America's Iraq war, which they have yet to experience... Mostly because there is no Russian for "Charlie Wilson".
I noticed the flight path was not that far from Israel.
Let me guess. They recently outsourced airport security to an Israeli firm?
Or Egypt recently outsourced security to a firm headed by Marvin Bush?
Obviously, a job done by the Donetsk Republic.
So an airliner approximately 200 feet in length at a distance of 31,000 feet appears to fill the screen of a cell phone held in the vertical posistion that much?
Mmmmmmmkay.
Rita Katz must be hungover.
Looks like it was filmed thru a telephoto lens to me.
Then why shadowbox the video to make it looks like is was shot with a smartphone?
They make smartphone adapters for telescopes:
https://www.google.com/search?q=smartphone+telescope+adapter
Are these sold at Alan's Snackbar in the wadi?