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ISIS Releases Video Of Alleged Russian Airplane Mid-Air Exposion After It Claims Responsibility For Disaster
That didn't take long: following the worst Russian airplane disaster in history, the question everyone was asking is who is responsible. Moments ago we may have gotten the answer.
A militant group affiliated to Islamic State in Egypt claimed responsibility for the downing of a Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt's Sinai peninsula on Saturday, the group said in a statement circulated by supporters on Twitter.
Below is the full statement from a group alleging to speak on behalf of Islamic State, posted on their affiliate site, translated by the Guardian's Jahd Khalil. It offers no evidence that the group brought down the plane, apart from their word.
Breaking: Downing of Russian airplane, killing of more than 220 Russian crusaders on board.
Soldiers of the Caliphate were able to bring down a Russian plane above Sinai Province with at least 220 Russian crusaders aboard.
They were all killed, praise be to God. O Russians, you and your allies take note that you are not safe in Muslims lands or their skies.
The killing of dozens daily in Syria with bombs from your planes will bring woe to you. Just as you are killing others, you too will be killed, God willing.
The tweet in question:
#Egypt #ISIS Claim Responsibility for shot down the Russian Aircraft over Sinai #IS #ISIL pic.twitter.com/tBCRt7Xen1
— Abu Ibrahim Raqqawi (@raqqa_mcr) October 31, 2015
Many expressed their initial skepticism that ISIS is the responsible party:
UPDATE: Responding to IS claim, Russian Transport Ministry says it "can't be considered true;" plane at 31k feet, outside MANPAD range, @BBC
— Stratfor (@Stratfor) October 31, 2015
#ISIS claim re. #Russia airliner -- 3 possibilities:
1. False claim
2. Bomb on plane
3. ISIS [somehow] has advanced air defense missiles.
— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) October 31, 2015
An analyst with the Center for American Progress, Mokhtar Awad, told the Guardian that the Islamic State’s claim of responsibility "is quite vague.
“It doesn’t state how they were able to ‘down’ the plane allegedly. Even the most sophisticated of portable surface-to-air missiles cannot reach that high an altitude and are only a threat during periods of take-off or landing, but the plane had already climbed to its target altitude (from what we know thus far) when it began to likely experience technical failures.
The local affiliate, Wilayat Sinai, has been under some pressure over the past few months and may have jumped the gun on taking credit. Although there isn’t a precedent for such a spectacular lie about something they claim to have done, Islamic State itself has recently been embellishing more and more. For instance it claimed that the recent prison raid by Kurdish and US special forces were a total failure, when in fact video evidence surfaced showed them freeing the hostages. So this may be an instance of the rooster taking credit for the dawn.”
Of course, it could simply have been a bomb planted on the plane and set to explade after 20 minutes of flight time.
Another theory that has emerged is that a prior structural shock (in 2001) led to a spontenous midair disintegration:
What jumps out from this particular airplane’s record is an accident that it suffered on November 16, 2001 while landing at Cairo (while owned and operated by Middle East Airlines). As it touched down the nose was pointing at too high an angle and the tail hit the tarmac – heavily enough to cause substantial damage.
Tail strikes like this are not uncommon. The airplane was repaired and would have been rigorously inspected then and during subsequent maintenance checks. Nonetheless investigators who will soon have access to the Airbus’s flight data recorder will take a hard look at what is called the rear pressure bulkhead, a critical seal in the cabin’s pressurization system. Images from the wreckage in the Sinai show parts of the tail and rear fuselage near the site of this bulkhead lying clear of the rest of the debris, suggesting a possible break-up in flight.
In the event of a failure of this bulkhead, the airplane would have suffered a sudden and potentially explosive decompression; at its final recorded altitude of 31,000 feet the difference between the pressure inside the cabin and the air outside would have been at the point where such a catastrophic failure would be most likely to occur. The wreckage shows no signs of a fire or an engine-related explosion.
On the other hand, this is like saying Lehman had an earnings miss in 1994 and filed bankruptcy 14 years later.
Even Russia's transport minister Maksim Sokolov has said that the claim Islamic State militants brought down the plane "can’t be considered accurate".
Now in various media there is assorted information that the Russian [plane]... was supposedly shot down by an anti-aircraft missile, fired by terrorists. This information can’t be considered accurate.
However, to corroborate their claim, ISIS has allegedly released this shocking video showing what appears to be a mid-air bomb explosion.
Viewer discretion advised.
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— ???? (@iq2015_bgd) October 31, 2015
Although according to latest social media updates, even IS Sinai is stating that this video is fake.
IS Sinai says purported vid of Russian plane being down is a fake
— Samer Al-Atrush (@SameralAtrush) October 31, 2015
As a reminder, this is where the alleged explosion occurred:
Whether or not the video is real or staged like many of ISIS' previous "made in Hollywood" productions, is currently unknown.
Of course, is the same ISIS which a recently leaked CIA report revealed as being created by the CIA as a "tool" to overthrow Syria's Assad.
In other words, a proxy organization of US "shadow government destabilizing operations", trained in U.S. ally Turkey, and openly funded by both U.S. allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, just took down a Russian plane.
The question now is did ISIS use a US-made surface-to-air missile to start what may be a very unpleasant war.
Also, does Russia get a carte blanche to begin attacks on ISIS in Egypt now, the same Egypt which recently "purchased" the two Mistral ships made by France, which were meant to be bought by Russia in a deal that was scrapped in the last minute due to NATO intervention?
One thing is clear: if the Russian population had any qualms about continuing the campaign in Syria, they were just eliminated in perpetuity.
We now await the Russian response, against both ISIS and its direct and indirect sponsors.
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inhabitable again implies humans; there's no colonies away from earth that could/would come back to repopulate, once eradicated, humans will never ever reappear
the soup of radioactive isotopes with half lives of days to billions of years will cause all life on earth to either be impossible or nothing that has ever been seen before
On the Beach (1959) showed what it could be like for the last humans on earth.The book was better. Not a happy read.
And from FORTRUSS:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/10/russian-elite-units-in-zabadani-hom...
Wow Questan, US and Russian troops will soon be killing each other. It's now a certainty.
Nah, itll be one sided. Americans are only good at killing women and chiodren, unarmed, of course. The only armed men they face are in hollywood. Just ask jessica lynch and hillary clinton.
MH17 was the first attempt.
Vid down...any other links?
Here's the video at The Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/10/breaking-isis-takes-credit-for-s...
Just imagine "The Miracle on the Hudson" without the Hudson or the miracle.
Are you sure? Are you sure? The creation of the Syrian Civil War, including ISIS, is to put that pipeline from Qatar to the Mediterranean in, which Assad had refused to sign up to. The international gas companies operating in Qatar have become restless recently, but are you sure they are steering Langley? If they do, they'd need to fund Langley but last time I looked it was still you and me funding Langley & Co.
Well, Russia will go full retard... If this is what was intented, good luck with it, God with .us
So, by proxy, the US intelligencia took down a civilian Russian airliner... That is the read that Putin is getting from this announcement, along with considering his response... The fat is in the fire and it is about to get very ugly...
They threw water on a grease fire.... Idiots.
Said besti in "Red Oktober"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emdzsz_XvfA
fuck you mosley
Fuck you Las Vegas Jew
Id respond by calling you an A-hole, but looks like you wear it already, so...
Sorry to hear about your boys
http://www.debka.com/article/24985/Iran%E2%80%99s-elite-Rev-Guards-units...
Debka? Hahaha...
How does a dumbfuck like you ever wind up at a place like Zero Hedge?
Careful of comments harshness. Las Vegas Dave with feelings easily hurt and a sensitive flower.
Be gentle with or he again will forever depart.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-30/first-shipment-russian-s-300-ro...
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#1) ISIS stands for Israeli Secret Intelligence Service
#2) They are good Jews out there few but like the Greek people are cowards to these Banksters who happen to be Zionist specifically Rothschild who created Israel via England..
#3) Me personally I am standing toe to toe to go up against these ZIONIST Banksters in the Forex market but it's not like the Stock market or LAS VEGAS 100% percent rigged..
So look in the mirror and say fuck i am just a fucking puppet Really do I want to support my people from the Hollywood Pedophilia Fags or to these Rothchilds who DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT anybody even you my Jewish buddy..
If Putin needed popular support for sending troops, ships, and planes to Syria, he just got it.
All hell is goiing to break loose, thanks to the CIA and the fools runnig the show in D.C.
But will he? Sending troops is exactly what he doesn't want to do. US/Israel are trying to force his hand, trying to make him commit and extend beyond his means. It didn't work in Ukraine. What makes you think it will work here? Putin doesn't need to appease his population to gain votes, unlike the US politicians...
throes
Any accident the world over is always America's fault or that of the Jews.
Just ask Zero Hedge!
Apparently only for the purpose of target practice.
Apparently only for the purpose of target practice.
Where's the smoke trail of the missile?
IF it was shot down, it's more likely by the far more commonly available Soviet MANPADS. Wouldn't that be ironic.
The plane blew up at 31,000 feet. That's way above the effective range of MANPADS.
Most likely a good old-fashioned bomb on board.
Debka says bomb in the cargo hold. Those Jews are rarely wrong. I wonder why
Because they put it there?
Mossad
A baggage handler was part of Langley IS 'database'
Sharm el-Sheik airport was originally built to be an Israeli Air Force base. Who controls security there? It's obvious obvious obvious.
...and long before that it was an Anunnaki airport. As off-the-wall as that sounds, we know it now to be the absolute truth.
At the beginning of the the 2nd millemium BC it was blown to smithereens with nuclear weapons. The evidence is all over the place. This disaster was only a few hundred miles or so from the shores of the Dead Sea, where the center of the destruction took place nearly 4 thousand years ago and utterly destroyed all things and cities east and south and continued with a lingering death that was massive. The devastation lasted over 100 years or so before civilization began to pick itself up in the region once more.
It is written. It predates even the written old testament, which I consider to be a fairly decent historical reference which mirrors a great body of information that was left to us in various forms. It is many thosands of years older in many cases than the old testament itself.
History is cyclic. The irony.
What a teaser you are!!!
link???
Akkadian, Babylonian, and Sumerian....and many greek translations of same. You can obtain the relevant passages the easy way, from Sitchin, or you can reference the hundreds of various sources on the net. The British Museum, University of Pennsylvania, and dozens of other easy to reach resources will corroberate my statement. Once you start telling people that the pyramids are at least 10k years old vs 5k, and that the "gods" known to us in Hindu, Sumerian, Greek and Roman "myths" were largely based upon flesh and blood creatures, your voice becomes a bland mumble to deaf ears.
In any case, the lingering effects of radiation poisoning from the fire and flash from the heavens that took out Sodom and Gamorrah, lasted for a finite period that can be determined by relevant passages in the old testament, a reference volume only, for me.
Tears for the families and the victims of these evil motherfuckers. I hope Hell does exist so TPTB get their day of reckoning.
+ 1,000,000
Did anyone manage to save the video from youtube (or liveleak) and publish the Exif data?
I know it proves nothing, but just curious to see if (as with the MH17 video) the timestamp inside the file precedes the incident.
Google santises all videos uploaded to it.
Here's the video at The Gateway Pundit:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/10/breaking-isis-takes-credit-for-s...
i made some hostfile entries and really made this site more enjoyable. The flash and popup ads were killing me. Sorry Tyler I know you gotta keep the bills paid somehow.. I just had to do something.
@TYLER -- have you thought about a premium version of this site, maybe $5 a month, that would disable ads for your premium users? I would trade 1 starbucks drink a month to help you keep this vital operation afloat.
Make the Chinese/Israeli/Russian spooks view a hundred ads per day. That would at least be funny.
you list spooks who use this site and leave off the US???
We didn't even have an intelligence service until WWII because it's un-American to spy on people. CIA only created from OSS after hot debate.
Let's just wish them away shall we?
Get out of Eurasia, dismantle the intelligence apparatus, and jail some bank execs.
Twenty years of peace and prosperity, at least.
The first English detective novel, The Moonstone, was written by Wilkie Collins in 1848 or 1854 or thereabouts.
Near the end of the novel, the protagonist and his companion, were discussing how to discover the identity of the thief who had stolen the Moonstone (a valuable gem).
They knew where it was, and they knew when the thief was going to recover it. The companion suggested, logically enough, that they go and watch and see who retrieved it.
Written for the audience of the day, the protagonist replied, shocked, "Gentleman do not spy on other gentleman."
Quaint.
Reminds of a scene from Dress Gray by Lucian Truscott (about what used to be the honor system at West Point and the code of ethics of military officers) where the protagonist explained that "officers do not lie." And meant it. I learned something about honor from that book (as well as the Falkenberg's Legions series by Pournelle and Bern [I think it was?]).
The only spooks not looking at this site are the Botswanans.
Not even too sure about them
INFOTECH sailor hopefully your not representative of the technical talent in our navy.
Ad Blocker Plus get it. live it, love it.. I swear anyone who cannot figure this should be by default banned.
Adblock plus.
$0 per month.
Or Ghostery
I don't surf ZH on my tablet anymore. Without Adblock ZH is useless.
Go to settings and kill JavaScript... It fixes almost everything. The only downside is that when you UP or DOWN vote someone the page refreshes and puts you to the top of the page.
I deal with that by remembering the last 4 digits of the message number (yours is 4928) and then do a text search on the page for it.
Little inconvenient but not too bad.
I also use NoScript with Firefox. Blocks Java unless you enable it for a given site.
Anyone know how to Refresh Mozailla with having to reload Adblock and the rest? Mozilla has this refresh feature to update and clean up Firefox. Everytime I run it, I have to reload all the ad-ins.
Also - anyone using those proxy randomizer Ad-ins for Firefox? Thx.
I had to do the same, just to be able to use ZH at all. Still loads way slower than any other site, sometimes over a minute for all the junk to load.
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I have found simply disabling Java to be quite effective.
Alternatively, use two browsers. I use Mozilla with NoScript only - AdBlock Plus seriously slows down my old computer and doesn't seem to cut out any more ads than NoScript does when used alone.
Mozilla/NoScript effectively cripples most websites, so use another browser (IE, Chrome, Opera) for viewing websites where you want the full functionality.
FWIW
You don't need a second browser. Run firefox with -P and create a second (multiple) profiles. The default profile is the one you normally use. You can create as many as you like. Each profile can have different sets of configurations, add-ons, cookies, paswords. Basically you can have dozens of different "identities".
Restart firefox, then in the file menu you can open browsers and choose different profiles.
JavaScript not Java.. different animal all together.
"The plane blew up at 31,000 feet. That's way above the effective range of MANPADS."
I didn't know the altitude since ZH didn't report it in this article and that is way out of the range of any MANPADS. However, as I said, Soviet and Chinese MANPADS are far more commonly available on the black market than western versions.
Black market? Did you miss where the US dropped 50 tonnes of equipment to ISIS in Syria just last week? How hard would it be to provide them arms directly from Saudi Arabia or Israel on the Siani?
The 31,000 foot altitude is WAY out of the range of anything man portable. Unless they dropped them a definitely NOT man portable Patriot Missile Battery, which they obviously didn't.
Here's the possible key that no one else may have noticed yet. The plane was flying from the Sinai Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg - read that as wealthy Russian vacationers flying back to the very city where Putin got his political start. Also, St Petersburg is organized crime central for Russia, so there's a possibility that Putin cronies were on the plane.
Putin's Way (PBS Frontline Video)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/putins-way/
according to cnn or somebody else?
Anybody with real experience with these things, could a manpad be mounted externally to a cessna or whatever to shorten the range to 15,000-20,000 ft vertical?
No experience of them myself, but in theory you could do that with a open cockpit plane.
But the speed of the jet would make it a very hard target for a manpad, its too slow a rocket with not a lot of endurance.
To give an example, the UK "blowpipe" manpads used in the falklands had trouble hitting low flying Argentine jets at slower speeds, one marine account saw the user get a lock and the missile slowly catching up before just giving out and dropping down... Okay, blowpipe was rubbish, but these man pads are really aimed at hitting low flying jets and helicopters, 500mph targets are possible, but not at the extreme of range, more likely within 3000ft or so, and the open cockpit plane won't get close enough. Much simpler to either hit the jet on takeoff, plant a bomb, or nobble a mechanic.
It is also possible that one or more political adversaries of Putin were on the plane. For an accomplished assassin and false flagger like Putin, such a triple play would be hard to resist. Putin stands to gain the most from the galvanization of support from the home front and putting his enemies, foreign and domestic, on the defensive. Israelis stand to gain as well, since they benefit from any conflict which pits Muslims against each other, and Russian intervention has been productive. An escalation of Russian involvement in the region would help make up for US weakness, from the Israeli point of view. There is also an outside chance that this could have been done by Assad, for some of the reasons Putin might have done it.
It seems to me unlikely that ISIS would do this, unless they lack the capacity to comprehend the results. The only way I see this as a terrorist act is if they assumed Russians would react like the softer Americans or Europeans they have been intimidating for decades. Putin is a different animal, and in these circumstances, Putin is Russia.
I would not put this past Obama, whose complete lack of a moral compass, coupled with his loathing of the 'superior in almost every way' Putin could easily drive him to something like this just for spite, if he thought he could get away with it, and perhaps cast aspersions on the Israelis in the process.
"Boots on the ground" is very unpopular, Obama could never get the support of the people to do it (not that he needs it).
He needs to reinforce the narrative that ISIS is evil incarnate, and try to blur the current discovery that the USA has not in fact been attacking them with anywhere near the ferocity they have claimed.
Killing a plane load of Russians is just a side benefit.
Where exactltly are the Med, USN fleet ?
These fuckers ARE crazy enough to do this, and give ISIS the blame.
The USN has almost as much experience shooting down civilian airliners as the
airforce has bombing hospitals.
Horseshit.
Sharm-El-Sheik is a way *CHEAP* destination from Russia. The very rich Russians would fly to Cuba, Santo Domingo, Monaco, Tahiti, or Thailand, unlikely they would chose the same spot as the commoners (particularly since its so close to a war zone - they got rich partly because they are smart).
It is still a popular destination with the "Diplomatic Set". I "negotiated" an invite to the Sharm-al-Sheikh Holiday Inn for three weeks as a thank you from one of the Russian Politically well-connected, and there were a LOT of none-too-poor Russians there . . . .
Again, it looks like a low altitude fake explosion. Is anyone seeing this? (I hope I'm right)
It might be a low altitude explosion, but how does that make it fake? Looks like a god damn real explosion to me.
Fuel air and low speed explosives like gunpowder give a big ball of fire, perfect for hollywood. But military grade high speed explosives, the sort of things you use when space and weight is a premium (as in a missile warhead), generally don't give a ball of fire like this, they explode much faster and more violently.
This video looks fake.
Yup, the CIA has a couple of massive warehouses in Texas full of them, along with other flase flag weapons.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/05/06/secret-cia-weapons-depot-linke...
I say we ship the DHS and all the ball grabbing fags of the TSA directly to the Sinai, that'll help..
Operation Gladio in Italy was the fascists (NATO) blowing up innocents then calling the media and saying, "We are The Red Brigade (communists) and we did it." No reason to believe anything with certainty at this point. Cui bono?
One of the first sources running with the Ritz Katz-McCain-Obama-Soros-Schumer's ISIS being responsible is the Red Shield's Reuters.
Anything Reuters or the AP say is full on propaganda.
Occam and his razor theory sure needs an update.
Stfu you racist window splat!
81% Of Syrians Believe US Is To Blame For ISIS
19% of Syrians are not well-informed
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/09/18/isis-s18.html
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”
The fact remains, however, that the US, the major European powers, and their regional allies all previously lent financial, military and political support to ISIS and similar groups, which have “Made in the USA” stamped all over them. They have, until now, played a significant part in Washington’s efforts to overthrow the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, as part of a broader effort to gain control of the region’s vast energy resources and transit routes.
For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
Other ISIS members were trained near Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where US forces are based. After completing their training, they went to Syria and later Iraq
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
USA, Turkey and Israel Act As Air Force for ISIS
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...
Worse than that, actually; viz., inferring that one-fifth of any population is utterly, totally clueless. In fact, for every person who responded to that question, "Duh, no?," there was, like flipping a coin, one, equally clueless, who answered "Duh, yes?"
My study of the subject indicates that fully 44% have no understanding whatsoever of any given subject or anything at all. It's just that about half of them will guess right.
What was the question?
Another excuse to further deprive humans of their privacy and dignity at the airports. If you liked being treated like shit, here's 10x more...
So, are these the cia-backed "moderate tearrists" or the moussad-backed "extreme tearrists" or the McShame-backed "free syrian army division of isis tearrists" ??
I am getting confuzed.
Moderately extreme moderates. Or proxy (IS)liberals.
I can hear the cheers from Obama's Oval Office all the way to New York City. I wonder how many U.S. advisors were with the ISIS jihadists when they shot down the Russian jet. You notice, the jet was shot down on Halloween. Obama must be smirking as he says "Trick or Treat" about this further murder to stain his Presidency.
There was a story on FortRuss a couple days ago about a Ukrainian effort to supply a small AA unit to shoot down a Russian plane in the middle east. Every implication was that it would happen in Syria, not Egypt... just saying.
Also the Ukraine Interior Ministry came out in support of ISIS.
http://dninews.com/article/ukraine-top-ministry-official-assist-isis-ter...
You need to read the FortRuss posting again . "They" Mccain & Co, intended to shoot down a US plane and blame it on Russia (allegedly ).
video no longer available, YouTube account terminated
MANPADS can't reach the cruise altitude the plane was at when trouble was reported by the pilot (31k feet)... they're only good to a maximum of 20k feet...
So SA was openly talking about supplying manpads to ISIS along with certain US congress idiots and now this happens. Anyone care to speculate how this will play out? Especially for SA?
And the Russkies will go all in after this. What about a couple of FOAB´s dropped on Raqqah. As an entrée...?
Hit that and their oil fields. It would be trifecta.
Russia needs higher oil prices. This would wipe out a big supply and also deprive Shitty Arabia an income stream.
It would also rescue the US oil industry while at the same time whacking other parts of the economy due to higher fuel costs.
escalation..knifes to handguns to automatic weapons to IPGs to surface to air missles, to suitcase nukes. Yes it has only begun and it will be worldwide. Population centers will be prime targets...and I dont mean AMZN prime
Sorry, not buying it!
Picked up the final AC to ATC traffic on one of those global ATC web sites, Russky pilot stated technical problems encountered and needed to land ASAP, nothing about a missile hit!
A time-release sabotage from the CIA/Mossad department ...
Those guys killed in Benghazi were trying to buy back the MANPADS before they were killed.
Didn't we say that this was going to happen...?
Publicus:
May or may not be true, but the engagement envelope for a shoulder-fired guy is like 5,000 meters slant range.
We can rule out MANPADs at 31k feet.
- Ned
Who said the flight was at 31k?
I'll accept skeptical at stratfor, but take a look at the flight path. follow west coast of gulf of aqaba and left turn to ~330. Flight path diagram also says FL31 and 23 minutes into the flight.
- Ned
who said a launcher was at sea level?
OK, so Supergirl was flying it, oh wait, it is a MANpad, onvm.
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Not a MANPAD on earth can touch an aircraft at 31k feet. If they had anything to do with this it was an explosive placed on the jet.
What happens when Grandpa and Graandma cant fly down to see the grandkids in Disney World? The circle of life just got smaller.
Their masters in Israel did the job for them ...
The aircraft was too high for shoulder-launched missiles. Either a more nefarious method brought down the airliner or it was a genuine accident. Airbus will find the answer, along with the Russians.
If Russia finds foreign responsibility for the air crash, we will not see the retaliation in the news.
Manpads cannot hit a plane at this altitude, their little rockets just don't have the range, while these aree "lumbering jumbo's" they also are actually 500mph technical wonders, something much bigger is needed to catch up to them.
The video shows an explosion (slow, big ball of fire, not high speed explosives) in the middle of the plane, manpads are generally thermal guided, they would hit the engines. It also shows black smoke billowing out oddly for something travelling at 500mph, based on all of that I think photoshop downed this plane.
As for the real plane, we know they called in for some sort of trouble, that rules out the plane breaking in two suddenly or anything else catastrophic, it might not be exciting, but mechnical difficulties are more likely, if IS had anything to do with it then either a small bomb or an Islamic flight engineer would be the limit of their influence.
Still, its a good excuse to drop a few extra fuel-air bombs on the 7th century nutters, afterall, its the thought that counts.
If it is the Russian plane, a MANPAD can't reach that altitude as it exploded at 31,000 feet.
Well the Jew s a created isis....how many days left till nuclear bombs start dropping
The Israeli suitcase nukes under American cities don't need to be dropped. Just detonated.
Tangled webs......
If ISIS thought it was already going bad for them...well, it's about to get a whole lot worse.
Cut a snake off at the head. The "head" of ISIS is jews, USA and Saudi
Soon to be waswas
You win the internet today, good sir/madam. <Polite golf clap>
Best terminology update!
Not that ISIS/WASWAS has the ability to commit such a crime, but now that they have proven themselves stupid beyond repair by taunting the Russians and taking the credit, the reply will be even more severe than it was.
"Boris, thanks for meeting me."
"Anytime, Pushkin. What have you?"
"WasWas terrists are being treated in this Israeli hospital (shows photo)."
"Excellent. Is your team in place?"
"Yes. We have an ambulance with remote controls. We plan to drive it to the hospital and detonate it. It's loaded with stolen Israeli explosives. The Team can detonate it fom a safe distance. We also threw in some CIA documents."
"Excellent. That should confuse them. Proceed. Russia is tired of Zionist Plots."
AHH HAHAHAHAAAA
cause and effect in play
because USA created this group
now we gonna feel the effects
well played,USA
ISIS has stinger missiles now?
Game on!
Gee, I wonder where in the world (Bengazi Weapons Transfer?) they got those US Made stingers?
The aircraft got into trouble at 30k feet, Manpads can't shoot that high. Bomb more likely if true.
Oh boy I hope that video is fake.
We all have to wait after the Dutch have investigated it.
... and it was somehow Russian weaponry that brought down the plane, so although Russia did not order the use of those weapons well...
It was Russia.
Have been given their investigation report.
FIFY
We did. And got our gold back.
plane goes down, it's either the CIA or mooselimbs or both - like clockwork (the kind suspiciously and ostentatiously displayed as a "science project")
Those flying condom mines are effective but do not disciminate !
Stingers can't go that hi. IF it was ISIS would have been bomb in hold snuck in at airport at Sharm. ISIS will claim of course but who will know until Russian investigation is complete.
Anyone who has gone to Egypt and thru one of those metal detectors at the airport can realize that most of them are not even plugged in and the "guards" are usually distracted by staring at all the sun-baked European chicks wearing tiny hot pants on their way back to the frigid euro weather.
You can probably drive a tank thru the egyptian airports and they wouldn't notice and also not trigger a dead metal detector machine..
That comment is correct, in my experience at Egyptian airports when leaving the country that baggage inspection was rather lax while immigration controls very,very strict
and of course a small "service payment" works wonders
It's called baksheesh, the word I learned first in Egypt.
Pretty soon you will not be able to transverse the globe...can't go over Ukraine. Now you can't gove over Egypt....
Numbnuts - no muslim pilots, no war zones - capiche?
sumptin smells fishy about this black swan event
Russian planes goes down
China(Russia's bff in arms) breaks this sudden revelation
think about it...hmmmm?
Should be easy and quick to to find the cause of this one. Wreckage and black box all available. If it was US proxy ISIS that did this, well, you know.
Nothing good can come out of this for isis as it would only strengthen Russia's resolve against them.
However such instance provides the perfect pretext for any country that want to send in their troops to "combat" isis and there is only one country that is contemplating that but havnt actually gone in yet.
Costa Rica ??
Nope, Costa Rica doesn't have an army... They rely on the good ole USSA for protection by treaty...
A protectorate.
The romans vowed to defend your kingdom for a tribute, while ultimately taking over.
The USA only asks for political obedience. I have seen Costa Rica, they are doing fine and quite a number of american corporations, that do not trade in fruits, have local branches, including Intel.
This is all very offensive for Zerohedgers but its a lot better for a serf to live in peace under american protection than as a target of local "patriotic" warlords. For more on this see Honduras, El Salvador and Venezuela.
Puerto Rico, they need the money
Blame Canada, the kanuks did it...dang hosers anyway...
;-D
Yesterday was the first time I heard ISIS referred to as DASH (Kerry). What's up with that ? It is bad enough that Obama calls them ISIL.
Depends on what your definition of Isis.
The name of the mysterious terrorist enemy changes constantly.
They are devilish that way.
Also the name of their second in command changes frequently.
"Daesh" is best term for these disgusting terrorists. Here's why:
<<And so if the word is basically 'ISIS', but in Arabic, why are the people it describes in such a fury about it? Because they hear it, quite rightly, as a challenge to their legitimacy: a dismissal of their aspirations to define Islamic practice, to be 'a state for all Muslims’ and – crucially – as a refusal to acknowledge and address them as such. They want to be addressed as exactly what they claim to be, by people so in awe of them that they use the pompous, long and delusional name created by the group, not some funny-sounding made-up word. And here is the very simple key point that has been overlooked in all the anglophone press coverage I’ve seen: in Arabic, acronyms are not anything like as widely used as they are in English, and so arabophones are not as used to hearing them as anglophones are. Thus, the creation and use of a title that stands out as a nonsense neologism for an organisation like this one is inherently funny, disrespectful, and ultimately threatening of the organisation’s status. Khaled al-Haj Salih, the Syrian activist who coined the term back in 2013, says that initially even many of his fellow activists, resisting Daesh alongside him, were shocked by the idea of an Arabic acronym, and he had to justify it to them by referencing the tradition of acronyms being used as names by Palestinian organisations (such as Fatah). So saturated in acronyms are we in English that we struggle to imagine this, but it’s true.>>
https://www.freewordcentre.com/blog/2015/02/daesh-isis-media-alice-guthrie
<<The foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, is even more blunt: “This is a terrorist group and not a state. I do not recommend using the term Islamic State because it blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims and Islamists. Arabs call it ‘Daesh’ and I will be calling them the ‘Daesh cutthroats’.”
The desire to insult the militants’ sensibilities is helped by the knowledge that being called Daesh does actually cause offence to ISIL. Most of us could live happily enough with that being the case, but there have been reports of people being flogged for using the word.
Of course, it comes as no surprise to hear further acknowledgement of the importance ISIL attaches to the power of words. In the obscene game of terror and manipulation played with the civilians it kidnaps and kills, each hostage is “encouraged” – we can but speculate on the form this encouragement takes – to blame his imminent murder on his own government.>>
http://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comment/why-does-a-simple-word-like-da...
Kerry, no doubt, suffers from the usual mis-education of the illiterate political class. But at least he's graduated from using the PC term "moderates" (or the ZWO-friendly acronym "ISIS"), so I guess I should be glad he's taken a few baby steps.
Al-CIA covers it pretty well