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ISIS Releases Video Of Alleged Russian Airplane Mid-Air Exposion After It Claims Responsibility For Disaster
That didn't take long: following the worst Russian airplane disaster in history, the question everyone was asking is who is responsible. Moments ago we may have gotten the answer.
A militant group affiliated to Islamic State in Egypt claimed responsibility for the downing of a Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt's Sinai peninsula on Saturday, the group said in a statement circulated by supporters on Twitter.
Below is the full statement from a group alleging to speak on behalf of Islamic State, posted on their affiliate site, translated by the Guardian's Jahd Khalil. It offers no evidence that the group brought down the plane, apart from their word.
Breaking: Downing of Russian airplane, killing of more than 220 Russian crusaders on board.
Soldiers of the Caliphate were able to bring down a Russian plane above Sinai Province with at least 220 Russian crusaders aboard.
They were all killed, praise be to God. O Russians, you and your allies take note that you are not safe in Muslims lands or their skies.
The killing of dozens daily in Syria with bombs from your planes will bring woe to you. Just as you are killing others, you too will be killed, God willing.
The tweet in question:
#Egypt #ISIS Claim Responsibility for shot down the Russian Aircraft over Sinai #IS #ISIL pic.twitter.com/tBCRt7Xen1
— Abu Ibrahim Raqqawi (@raqqa_mcr) October 31, 2015
Many expressed their initial skepticism that ISIS is the responsible party:
UPDATE: Responding to IS claim, Russian Transport Ministry says it "can't be considered true;" plane at 31k feet, outside MANPAD range, @BBC
— Stratfor (@Stratfor) October 31, 2015
#ISIS claim re. #Russia airliner -- 3 possibilities:
1. False claim
2. Bomb on plane
3. ISIS [somehow] has advanced air defense missiles.
— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) October 31, 2015
An analyst with the Center for American Progress, Mokhtar Awad, told the Guardian that the Islamic State’s claim of responsibility "is quite vague.
“It doesn’t state how they were able to ‘down’ the plane allegedly. Even the most sophisticated of portable surface-to-air missiles cannot reach that high an altitude and are only a threat during periods of take-off or landing, but the plane had already climbed to its target altitude (from what we know thus far) when it began to likely experience technical failures.
The local affiliate, Wilayat Sinai, has been under some pressure over the past few months and may have jumped the gun on taking credit. Although there isn’t a precedent for such a spectacular lie about something they claim to have done, Islamic State itself has recently been embellishing more and more. For instance it claimed that the recent prison raid by Kurdish and US special forces were a total failure, when in fact video evidence surfaced showed them freeing the hostages. So this may be an instance of the rooster taking credit for the dawn.”
Of course, it could simply have been a bomb planted on the plane and set to explade after 20 minutes of flight time.
Another theory that has emerged is that a prior structural shock (in 2001) led to a spontenous midair disintegration:
What jumps out from this particular airplane’s record is an accident that it suffered on November 16, 2001 while landing at Cairo (while owned and operated by Middle East Airlines). As it touched down the nose was pointing at too high an angle and the tail hit the tarmac – heavily enough to cause substantial damage.
Tail strikes like this are not uncommon. The airplane was repaired and would have been rigorously inspected then and during subsequent maintenance checks. Nonetheless investigators who will soon have access to the Airbus’s flight data recorder will take a hard look at what is called the rear pressure bulkhead, a critical seal in the cabin’s pressurization system. Images from the wreckage in the Sinai show parts of the tail and rear fuselage near the site of this bulkhead lying clear of the rest of the debris, suggesting a possible break-up in flight.
In the event of a failure of this bulkhead, the airplane would have suffered a sudden and potentially explosive decompression; at its final recorded altitude of 31,000 feet the difference between the pressure inside the cabin and the air outside would have been at the point where such a catastrophic failure would be most likely to occur. The wreckage shows no signs of a fire or an engine-related explosion.
On the other hand, this is like saying Lehman had an earnings miss in 1994 and filed bankruptcy 14 years later.
Even Russia's transport minister Maksim Sokolov has said that the claim Islamic State militants brought down the plane "can’t be considered accurate".
Now in various media there is assorted information that the Russian [plane]... was supposedly shot down by an anti-aircraft missile, fired by terrorists. This information can’t be considered accurate.
However, to corroborate their claim, ISIS has allegedly released this shocking video showing what appears to be a mid-air bomb explosion.
Viewer discretion advised.
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— ???? (@iq2015_bgd) October 31, 2015
Although according to latest social media updates, even IS Sinai is stating that this video is fake.
IS Sinai says purported vid of Russian plane being down is a fake
— Samer Al-Atrush (@SameralAtrush) October 31, 2015
As a reminder, this is where the alleged explosion occurred:
Whether or not the video is real or staged like many of ISIS' previous "made in Hollywood" productions, is currently unknown.
Of course, is the same ISIS which a recently leaked CIA report revealed as being created by the CIA as a "tool" to overthrow Syria's Assad.
In other words, a proxy organization of US "shadow government destabilizing operations", trained in U.S. ally Turkey, and openly funded by both U.S. allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, just took down a Russian plane.
The question now is did ISIS use a US-made surface-to-air missile to start what may be a very unpleasant war.
Also, does Russia get a carte blanche to begin attacks on ISIS in Egypt now, the same Egypt which recently "purchased" the two Mistral ships made by France, which were meant to be bought by Russia in a deal that was scrapped in the last minute due to NATO intervention?
One thing is clear: if the Russian population had any qualms about continuing the campaign in Syria, they were just eliminated in perpetuity.
We now await the Russian response, against both ISIS and its direct and indirect sponsors.
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idiotic, even for you.
Russians are spreading themselve thin .... just like Hitler did ?
Hitler used his workcamp inmates as "prison labor" to make weapons and materials need to prosecute war. Germany did this while being bombed and being outnumbered. They also used their own money, not international banker credit.
Germany also had to make their own gas/oil from local sources of coal - so the energy needed to run their war machine was limited.
Now, lets take a look at Russia.
They have their own source of oil, steel, wood, food, water, etc. Russia now has their own money, so they can then direct labor to meet earth's minerals, to then fashion war material. Is Russian labor being bombed from above, to then distrupt supply channels.
No. I didnt' think so.
The amount of War Material that can emanate from Russia is potentially enormous. This notion that they are being spread thin is preposterous. Does Russia have an unwilling population back home? No, the last polls have Putin in the +90% range.
How about restive Chechen's at home? Nope, not there. They hate Takfiri head choppers too.
How about China? What is their productive capability and labor availablility? It is truly enormous, especially if it is paired with Russian minerals/oil/know-how.
Russia and China are not even breathing hard. Russia has barely scraped the Rust off of its military machine.
Face it trolls, the world is changing rapidly, and all of the false Illuminist Kabbala Messianic goals of the last two hundred years are vaporizing before you eyes in accelerated time.
You will lose everything, you just don't know it yet.
When Hitler spread himself thin, did you put him on a cracker and eat him?
Gonna be Rockin in Raqqa tonight.
Tomorrow real estate will be very cheap there.
If the CIA is actually blowing up planes and murdering the Russians and people of other nationalities now, the US Oligarchs must be getting desperate. Good.
Not sure I'd finish that same kind of statement with "good". Things are going to get worse before they get better.
No choice. We must break eggs to cook this omelette.
apparently it was not isis. Interesting, isis helps a lot russians and turkey: russia used it to enter middle east and turkey to kill kurds. Now, again isis. If this tragedy is used by russia to get even more involved in me, then it's a question whos behind isis. In the last month, isis was not the main target of russians. Only when they engaged syriam army.
Russia does not need an excuse to put more forces into Syria. They are not a PC, I crap my pants because some called me a bad name, type of culture.
Tylers, here is the video from another source.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YcKAHZpasY
removed again...
Mossad
By now those behind ISIS creation most be shitting their pants.
And how will the Refugee ‘crisis’ be fixed?
‘Now, the United Nations is partnering with a private company to offer a solution – a new “universal” identification system that will comply with the United Nations’ sustainability goal of having biometric identification “in the hands of every citizen” in the world by 2030.’
Over the Sinai ? Israel and US.
https://www.rt.com/news/320194-russia-missiles-launch-training/
Long ECM and chaff/flare pod mods for civilian aircraft.
"In other words, a proxy organization of US "shadow government destabilizing operations", trained in U.S. ally Turkey, and openly funded by both U.S. allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, just took down a Russian plane."
No mention of Israel, huh?
Because evidence of Israeli backing of ISIS, to include coordinating with ISIS to act as its air force, is substantial, apart from the SITE intelligence clue, apart from ISIS basically carrying out the Oded Yinon plan.
The explosion in the video is obviously not a real explosion.
You know I read some pretty edgy web sites, but none of them ever seem to put Israel in their reporting unless absolutely necessary. This shows you really runs things.
AS ID SAUDIS ARE ANYTHING. How many Saudis are in the US government, as compared to Zionists?
Here is a great site for those who want to see why Israel always seems to not get named, even when they were most likely involved: Push for wars with Iraq/Iran/Libya...destabilization of Ukraine, Georgia, Syria, 9/11, JFK assassination (JFK was working to get rid of the Federal reserve bank, and was blocking Israel attempt to acquire nuclear weapons).
https://thezog.wordpress.com/
Whether or not ISIS got this one, anyone who volutarily goes to Egypt (or any other 3rd-world muslim toilet) is simply asking for it.
So close to Israehell. Was is the Israehelli branch of ISIS or the CIA branch of ISIS or the Saud brand of ISIS or the Turkeyish branch of ISIS or was it the dance crew in front of the green screen that claimed responsibility for the downing.
It could have been taken down air-to-air as well at that altitude.
This is probably a horrible accident at a very inopportune moment in history. However, the cynical side of me says "nothing" happens by chance anymore. I'm concerned about the East Coast Air Defense Radar Blimp that broke from its mooring lines and floated away. Coupled with our government’s propensity for False Flag events to push an agenda and I'm a little concerned. Watch for some "Big Event" along the East coast this week. Something is Broken behind the scenes that "They" need to cover-up and deflect our attention. My guess is a broken monetary system (US Treasury Bonds) and Gold/Silver Bullion manipulation about to explode... IMHO
Russia needs to nuke Shitsrael and the other kike rat centrals like NYC, Washington, London, LA, Miami, Las Vegas,..
Do you have a death wish or what? Stop taking those pills!
Right on the mark! Sad how few Americans know, or care that thier nation is just a pawn for zionist agression.
They don't care who runs the "Fed"...
They don't care who runs the media ("liberal media indeed")...
They don't care who run Hollywood, Wall Street, Washington...
Destroy Shitsrael before the NWO is completed.
Hey look everybody! Alfred Neumann came back as Peltast. How quaint.
It certainly could be anything at this point, but if we're guessing, let's say Israel did it. Because if it was sabotaged before take off, it was most likely them.
The tribe show no mercy,
It's true that israeli companies are in charge of security of several european airports, e.g. Shipol in Amsterdam , they might have all the information about how to put anything on a plane at any other airports, but this is a big speculation saying they have done it..
The tribe knows no mercy, unless you are a zionist, then the world need show you mercy and reparations...
Had to mute that sound immediately..
Not to judge too quickly on that video - but it looks like, right after the explosion goes off, that the plane steers a little more to the right, which would be in line with the last two recorded location points on flightradar24 (the distance between the last two points are about 500m).
the pilot reported possible engine trouble, looks like the right engine took a hit in the video. Heat seeking missile? I will defer any further speculation until the Russian authorities come to a conclusion. This does look really bad though.
I found this video of another aircraft shot down with a SAM. Looks remarkably similar in how the missiles behaved in both videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef_rkMY7ehI
See that video mislabeled as MH-17, can't be, for one thing the fuslage isn't busted in two.
But the cell phone video is remarkably similiar.
if this is true, this is a death warrant for isis. russia will bomb them back to the stone age. also if they find tow missle parts at the site with 'made in the usa'...well that will be a whole new issue for clinton since she gave them the tows at bengazi...
Wouldn't be surprise to see some tactical nukes deployed against this filth. Who would shed a tear?
@ hannah That is unlikely since they are in Europe now.
TOW ?
Millions of Muslims invade Europe .... Europers pay for it .... 9/11 was done for peanuts with our planes .... I love resourceful people .... except when they are trying to kill me ?
WRONG! Millions of BOMBS INVADE Muslim nations, you fuck, then the native inhabitants run to those nations sending the bombs...All the while the Zionist pigs sit back and watch their plans unfold.
it didn't really crash. It's on Diego Garcia with MH370 or is it that the rebels didn't shoot it down after claiming they did like in Ukriane and it's fake MH17 wreckage. Or is it a false flag using direced energy weapons and green screens with CGI technology. come on folks, you got all the 9/11 conspiracies down pretty good, lay a few ones on me for this.
We are going to get hasbara trolls here if we question even the slightest thing about the tribe. I am too lazy to post the links but even government posts now in an attempt to embarrass or shame people as "conspiracy nuts". Jury is still out on this crash.
I wonder if you or any of the other racist neo nazi scum suckers around here would dare use that word out in public. Personally I'd love to watch what would happen if one of you basement dwellers dared that shit in polite company in the real world. Fucking morons.
You basement dwelling Hitler Youth holdovers really outdid yourself with the conspiracy bullshit this time. Bravo for the sheer mental gymnastics. Yall really do make Randy Weaver look sane.
specifics are obviously not your strong suite, nor are facts..."Everything is a conpirasy theory", unless the NY Times tells you otherwise.
NOTHING IS A CONSPIRACY EVER :-)
You are just not told the truth is all and then all the deception is the conspiracy.
Here's one to mull over ...
a.) The FED to introduce NIRP to repair the economy... or
b.) The FED to introduce NIRP to instigate civil unrest and martial law immediately followed by a totalitarian state.
Now a.) would never work if anything will make it worse economically with so many bizzare consequences never seen before but IF THE INTENT IS b.) dead certain they will get their outcome. So the truth is likely b.) but you will call it a conspiracy believing the intent is a.)
Considering how most of these keyboard cowboys jerk it to anti Israel websites and can't understand what happens when a load bearing structure at the center of a skyscraper is demolished with thousands of tons of concrete and steel pressing down on it, I'm happy to be counted among the people who get junks.
This place used to have insightful commentary. Then the Neo Nazis moved in and its turned into a shithole. The news is still spot on, but the comments sections are full of dumbassary that is without equal.
I think Bibi and Vlad the Bad .... have a mutual admiration man crush .... they certainly have something in common .... their utter contempt for our CIA "House Nigger" Obama ?
Imperialism has it's costs. Russians are learning the same lessons US has.
Who in their right mind would slaughter innocent families?
Deepest condolences to families and friends.
The same CIA that shot down MH17
To be able to take down the Russian airliner, by missile or bomb, and also be in a position to film it takes some skill unless it was a missile that was launched directly alongside the cameraman. And how would they know that the target at 30,000 feet was, in fact, the Russian airliner?
watch israel take a bullet in return. that would be a big surprise. watching israelis evacuate to cyprus in boats like a bunch of haitians makes great content.
This isn't about truth anymore, it all about media spin. "Remember the Maine" and WR Hearst are a prime example.
IS is about to get pounded like hell.
only solution Putin, Russian TSA.
Undo activation of alpha protection and improper pilot response. That is an Airbus computer flaw that is being addressed these days. I just trained on it in the simulator last week. It would be consistent with the radar data. I know that is not as sexy as ISIS or Israel did it, but Occam's Razor.
So basically a software bug plus an incompetent/inattentive pilot?
Could you elaborate on how you think it played out?
Video here at Liveleak. The more they remove it, more can be found.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee4_1446300521
Accident or did somebody just shoot an archduke?
The only people you can be sure are stupider than Americans - the Russians.
stupider? really?
potato harvest boy?
After the US lost in Vietnam, the Russians took over an airfield where my father had been stationed in 1967. THe Vietnamese in the area were fond of saying that the Russians were just like the Americans, except without money.
That was the saying in Cuba! During Soviet times many Soviets vacationed in Cuba. The Cubans disliked all Russians because they "were just like Americans, but without any money".
There are claims that the video is fake and from 2003. Don't jump to conclusions. https://mobile.twitter.com/AEJKhalil/status/660461865219280896 also the video has been removed from youtube and can now be found here at Liveleak http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ed_1446306770
putin is the best. "just a little engine trouble" . can't wait to see his response. it will be another popcorn moment.
putin who you morons love almost as much pms is it his antisemetism you love has taken on the sunnis and will get his clock cleaned
US Spends $35Bln on Aid Programs, But Can You Guess Where the Money Goes?
http://sputniknews.com/us/20151031/1029400431/us-aid-money.html
You sound like you are both butthurt and have a jealous man crush on Putin. Nobody really cares what you think.
US Spends $35Bln on Aid Programs, But Can You Guess Where the Money Goes?
http://sputniknews.com/us/20151031/1029400431/us-aid-money.html
Dead Kennedys - Halloween
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiySknl9zs0
All you need to know:
https://thezog.wordpress.com/
This might be the "Oh Sh*t..." moment...
The US government sent Billions in cash on pallets over to Iraq and Afghanistan, much of which went missing, chalked up to "poor accounting", but in reality, you see where that money really goes, into the pockets of the CIA and Massad to bank roll illegal programs like ISIL...And in return US politicians get millions from Zionist millionaires and billionaires.
The cycle of life in Washington DC.
Putin has an ace up his sleeve.
Kadyrov.
If he lets those 10,000 Chechens in Syria ISIS is literally fucked ...
hehe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadyrovtsy
By far the likeliest explanation IMO is the planting of a bomb on the plane in Cairo while Islamic 'security' staff looked the other way.
This plane crash is suspecious due to it's excellent timing. I think we all agree on that much! Timing could not have been more perfect in any other way, precise and exact.
The black box and wreckage will tell the tale, and I will refrain till that comes out. Unlike MH-17, when powers want to know what crashed a plane, it is god damned simple to find the cause. We should know very quickly, as Russia doesn't fuck around.
I will say, a Russian commerical aircraft flying over Sinai if one horrible fucking mistake. Russia should have seen the madness of commercial flights over a terrorist haven. Knowning the Mossad and CIA connections to terrorism. And worst, it is reported the CIA lost three men in the early Russian Syrian bombing campaign. This is not in the news, but the CIA anger and claim that their people had been hurt was real enough. Do you remember the CIA claim, it said something like "CIA assets had been harmed, and this was unacceptable", one could google back to research it. But yesterday I was reading Russian news in translation, and I came across a claim that CIA had indeed lost 3 people in the opeing bombing raids. This cried out for revenge, if true.
Lets wait, as we can't possibly know, but it smells bad.
Thanks for digging deep, Jack.
And bring back the hottie avatar?
Washington = ISIS
They Arm them
They Train them
They Fund them
Idiot.
Israel boasts about owning DC, the District of Criminals. That is not the USA or America.
That's interesting, USA asked Afghanistan to catch the terrorist Osama in their land. Turned out Osama was in Pakistan. "My bad" said US. After killing thousands and bombing a few weddings.
So, if the criminals are in DC, logically Americans has to go get them. What's the wait?
Looks fake. Excess camera movement likely done on purpose. Plane appears too low. Likely photo-shopped or re-used from an earlier event.
Oh man... the bullshit piled up so fast in ________, you needed wings to stay above it.
Fill in the blanks.
We're gonna need some more blanks, I guess.
I agree
A bomb exploded in the cockpit
This seems to be a typical case of Russian negligence. However the last place I ever go to figure out something important is MSM lol. I am sure at least briefly at the CIA they were sweating it out. The last thing they need is one of their loose manpads knocking down a Russian jetliner lol
A combination. Airbus design fault and Russian negligence. It appears that the two together may have caused this disaster.
Experts have started decoding the flight data recorder that was found at the crash site, Egypt’s prime minister said.
The pilot of the crashed plane did not address flight operations officers at Sharm El-Sheikh International Airport before the catastrophe, said the Egyptian civil aviation minister Hossam Kamal.
“Communication between flight operations officers and [the] Russian aircraft was carried out in normal way up to the moment of the catastrophe,” he said at a press-conference in Cairo, stressing that the pilot had not asked for help and the plane“suddenly” disappeared.
That means the pilots were basically knocked out with the plane in one instant. It is by the book to control the plane first, then contact ATC. So maybe the pilots had time to fight the incident, BUT, something must have been said on the voice recorder. Like "Jesus, what the fuck was that"! If nothing else.
AirBus is not supposed to simply drop out of the sky on a bright sunny calm day, unless a major injury to the plane. Like bomb, missile, or internal gas explosion. Remember the TWA over the Atlantic. They claimed fumes in the central tank exploded the plane. While others thought the US Navy Anti Aircraft exercise in the area was the cause. Planes need a cause to stop funtioning in an instant.
And in Ukriaine MH17 incident until now flight data record is not clear.
Not to worry, their (ISIS) actions guarantees this scum will burn in hell.
CAIRO (Sputnik) – The pilot of the Russian airliner that crashed in the Sinai Peninsula did not request assistance from the air traffic control at Sharm El-Sheikh airport before the incident, Egyptian Minister of Civil Aviation Hossam Kamal said Saturday.
Egyptian sources were quoted as saying earlier the Airbus-321 flight 9268 pilot requested help from air traffic controllers due to technical difficulties. The airliner with 224 people on board disappeared from radars 23 minutes after takeoff en route to St. Petersburg.
“The air traffic controllers’ communication with the Russian airplane was carried out normally until the disaster,” Kamal said at a press conference.
The minister added that the Russian pilot did not ask for help before “the aircraft disappeared from the radar suddenly.”
A Kogalymavia spokeswoman said earlier the pilot had 12,000 hours of flying experience and the plane had been fully serviced.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151031/1029403587/egypt-airliner-crash-no-request.html#ixzz3qAi7muWaISIS appears to be Well Funded and always in the right place at the right time. Coindence?
Remember why the boyz were in Benghazi? To collect SAM sholder fire from the Lybian stock piles that went missing after Barry's & Hilldabeast latest FUBAR. They were sent there to try to stop this type of event. Well they failed.
Now that I do believe. I think a lot more people know about the mission (and its failure) than they let on. It's all a byproduct of moron foreign policy and children in charge of vital tasks.
Putin seems to be a good strategist, put he's also a scholar of treaties, and un rules,and authorities.
what does the un think of state sponsored terrorist, and their sponsors.
how can isis be universally considered a terrorist group, and not much of a secret who's sponsored them?
cameron already making his confession before nueremberg 11 asembles.
regardless if this was a terrorist act or not, the ISIS/Daesh propaganda is aimed at Russia and not the USA, Israel or any one else. If it is a terrorist act, then consider that the Daesh again did not target a US or Israeli aircraft. It is seems obvious to some, the Daesh won't bite the hand that feeds them and that this act, if it is a terrorist act is a major escalation between the USA/Daesh and Russia. This is not going to end well if the evidence points to Daesh or moderate beheaders.
Actually it was in range of a stinger missile system. Mountain altitude 2000 meters. Cruising altitude of jet 9500 meters. Stinger range up to 8000 meters. So yeah. This definately could have been a US supplied stinger missile system.
That video is FAKE. The plane is known to have been at cruising altitude of 31,000 ft. before trouble began.
Putin cannot ignore this. He has done his best to ignore provocation after provocation but. this time, there WILL be repercussions.
Heil Putin! Heil Putin! Sieg Heil
https://youtu.be/PSu9KJa0xAQ
You trolls have no respect for human lives whatsoever. A plane crashed, yet you continue with your political crap propaganda as if nothing happened.
It's been my experience that an increasing number of people are unable to distinguish between reality and video games, TV, movies etc.
It's also been my experience on ZH that pointing out the fact that real people die in tragedies such as this generate unkind comments. For some ZH commenters it's all sarc all the time, and yes, I must confess, I am amused by it.
I am amused too but the level of trollery here has gone way downhill.
I managed to get blocked at Breitbart after five posts. Is that a record? Do I get a medal or something? It took me several days on Daily Kos.
if this video footage is not some Hollywood type fake imagery then it most likely has to be footage from Langley or the like with the last possibility being ISIS if it is not fake. This could be video from Langley of any number of commercial flights brought down over the years or it could be the flight in question,but either way it involves Langley and then they are the most likely suspect....barring a Russian flase flag.
Well, it does beg the question, "Who was there to witness the event?"
I hate the media for overhyping and speculation on events like this. Like 90% of all aviation accidents, it was probably due to several events whose consequences were not catastrophic by itself, but because they occurred either in series or simultaneously it all ended in a catastrophe.
Russia is asking for trouble and it seems it will get it.
Bluffing, an army of web trolls and a hanfull of green little men dont change the fact that Russia's economy and army are a joke compared to the west.
Russia is part of Europe and it does hurt that innocent Russians died due to the incompetence and diabolical nature of their government.
Supporting Assad is a grave mistake, attacking Ukraine is downright dumb, annexing Crimea is unforgivable.
Russia is sowing winds and will reap a whirlwind sooner or later.
Yes you've repeated the MSM talking points. Imaginary Russian army in Ukraine, the govt of Syria inviting Russia in to combat terrorists, the Crimean referendum.
Sometimes things that are none of your business in the first place just don't go your way. When in doubt trust proven liars and warmongers.
Get back to pimping your sister Ukie before she finds another one.
That video looked pretty real. I'm not forensic media guy but it did look real. One thing though: We should not immediately assume the means used. I have said this before: IS and the locals like the Russians no more than the Americans. We may think they do but they only want the same thing from either side: MONEY.
One of those times I realize how fragile our civilization is.
Bad news, Noble
The classification, Homo sapiens has just been revised.
Now we're the Homo not-so-sapiens.
don't forget to set your clocks back
Maybe ISIS is using those 400 surface to air missles "stollen" in Bengazi.......
Maybe suicidal goat fuckers don't like white man dropping bombs in their sandbox no matter what language is used to say "bombs away...."
I had a feeling the Russians might be stepping in shit when they waded in to this foreign entaglement.....
ISIS did not down the plane. Just opportunistic propaganda on their part.
Either McCain got his wish and murdered 200 women and children or this is a hoax claim.... but if this was those beardy bastards our VP, the only national statesman with bollocks worthy of Churchill, is going to oblitorate the entire fucking middle east and turn it to dust.
I hope Tom Cuise wasn't on that jet.
PUTIN IS FUCKED.
HE WILL HAVE TO COMMIT BIG
TO SAVE FACE TO NATIONALIST ELECTORATE.
HE CREATED WITH ANNEXATION CRIMEA
AND STEALTH INVASION OF EAST UKRAINE.
PUTIN'S AUTHORITARIAN MACHO MAN DEMANDS FIST.
AND HE IS SCREWED.
AS HE IS SUCKED DEEPLY INTO MUDPIT.
...THEN ISIS WILL SEND BOMBS INTO RUSSIA ITSELF.
Crimea was not annexed. Crimea VOTED to go with Russia.
Crimea seceded.
FIFY
but it stll won't happen
So the CIA created and funded a terrorist organisation which just blew up a passenger airliner...
Your tax dollars hard at work.
Probably a Russian Red Flag.
Putin lost the plot in Ukraine, then he stepped in it in Syria and he needs cover to keep Moscow from pulling his card.
Looks like a perfect red/false flag operation -- especially since now ISIS is denying their involvement. That passenger list of women and children will enrage the hopme team in Russia to let Putin get by a bit longer.
Godspeed to all those poor innocent people killed in this criminal tragedy.
So you're saying Russia did this to itself?
Such a cunt
Twice?
Fuck me ...
It's hard to predict what Putin will do.
I hope he kicks up the bombing a couple of notches to 24/7 and eliminates all the forces fighting the regime.
Especially the moderate rebels (aka the CIA.)
It was probably downed by Russia to false flag this bitch into high gear.
You think?
Did they find 15 Saudi Arabians in the Sinai Mountains with smoking manpads?
I mean 15 angry Israelis or moderate rebels. Blowing up a passenger jet is kind of moderate, wouldn't you say.
Any dancing Israelis sited?
The initial report is showing the plane crashed due to a techinal problem.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/31/uk-egypt-crash-cause-tech-idUKK...
The engines accidentally shifted into reverse, stopping it dead in the air.
It then dropped out of the sky like a dead bird.(sarc)
Word I get directly from Russia is that the plane was not properly maintained and that is believable. The plane in question was owned by three "hidden" owners of Lukoil who are all Arabic according to my sources.(I do not know that to be true) I had to ask this question, "So you don't really know do you?". "No." was the answer. "But if it is determined that ISIS did this, Putin will unleash hell upon them." it was added.
I really do not think that the West fully realizes the full fledged hatred that Russians and Muslims have for each other. The hate is a millenium old if not older than that. I would advise that Western forces start to vacate the area.
You get word "directly" from Russia? Interesting...
is it important to you? if curious, ask Q...
YEAR 2015! Age of the internet. Getting sources in Russia is easy. I have several excellent sources. I meet Russian on Twitter and we share information, then give me links and I translate them using Google translate.
The guy asks " Russian sources, tell me more". How ignorant is he?
I do because I am married to a Russian for eleven years now and her father is FSB. It is a real time flow of information. I know many other Russians as well including the one I borrowed a shotgun to yesterday and whom I will be drinking some actual Kentucky bourbon(Angels Envy) with in about an hour. That ain't no cheap booze my friend.
If that what the Russian state is saying happened then that is what they are saying. It is very believable that poor service did happen. Russia is not the West to be sure. It has been 15 years of me being involved with Russians. I takes time to develop a level of trust but I have accomplished that. They do not want to fight us and I say that we do want to fight them. This fact has been agreed upon for many years between myself and the Russians I know. Neither one of our nations want to fight each other. The U.S .gov has been the asshole as far as I am concerned. It is not the general populace per se. There is much more to discuss but I think you might get the point.
Russians are very intelligent people and so are many Muslims. Russians do have an issue with Muslims and Muslims with them. That is not our business. I understand now but you can read up on your own. The Soviet Union was nothing but a brief blip in Russian history.
same here..don't have to ask much..airline slipshod maintained
wise know this is normal for the cheap tour airlines
No Russians that I know are up in arms. It is more machinery that did not get serviced. The West does not understand Russia or it's ways.
Word you get from ?! Tell us 007, who is your well-informed secret contact in Russia ?
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Fcuking ZH readers that have never seen the world outside of Pleasantville and think they are so intelligent.
Whether or not the video was accurate and whether or not ISIS released it, the point here is that SOMEONE had that video at the ready.
Which would mean it didn't go down due to lack of maintenance, but because somebody put a bomb on board.
The complete list of suspects would include, the Netherlands, Ukraine, ISIS, the Free Syrian Army, the Mossad on orders from Langley, and the CIA doing its thing.
My own feeling is that Putin will delay making any announcement to keep the perps on their toes.
Everybody here knows who blew up the 5 chemical warehouses in China, yet Beijing has kept perfectly quiet about them. Putin may do the same.
what is RT saying?
https://www.rt.com/news/320225-plane-crash-russian-egypt/
Maybe the Russians blew up their own plane, to galvanize public opinion supporting Syrian intervention.
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As I suppose Putin won't take many extra-turns and will send ISIS a timely and appropriate answer in Russian.
Hopefully this launch is not a well planed tactical move initiated o alleged to be elaborately initiated from a third party....this could bring the world peace on the edge.
However I will never understand which spirit is giving wings to this sick people to murder 224 unguilty persons: Children, women, men....