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No Survivors After Russian Airplane With 224 On Board Crashes In Egypt's Sinai, ISIS Claims Responsibility
Update:
Breaking: #IS claims responsibility for #Russia's plane crash in #Egypt pic.twitter.com/wNx7asGm40
— China Xinhua News (@XHNews) October 31, 2015
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With tensions already at deeply concerning levels between Russians and their various adversaries in the Middle East region, a few hours ago this Saturday morning, around 4:20am GMT to be precise, a Russian airliner carrying 224 in crew and passengers, including 138 women, 62 men and 17 children, crashed in Egypt's Sinai peninsula. Egyptian officials say there are no survivors from the crash. This is the worst Russian air accident in history.
The Airbus A321 shown below, also known as Kolavia Flight 7K9268, operated by Russian airline Kogalymavia under the brand name Metrojet, was flying from the Sinai Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg in Russia when it went down in a desolate mountainous area of central Sinai soon after daybreak.
EI-ETJ is an Airbus A321 that belongs to airline Kolavia/Metrojet. Age 18 years
https://t.co/EVPhMQGOoK
#7K9268 pic.twitter.com/XUTMgx2zNn
— Flightradar24 (@flightradar24) October 31, 2015
The aircraft took off at 5:51 a.m. Cairo time (0351 GMT) and disappeared from radar screens 23 minutes later, Egypt's Civil Aviation Ministry said in a statement. It was at an altitude of 31,000 feet (9,400 meters) when it vanished from radar screens. According to various flight tracking services the aircraft, having made an apparently smooth take off, lurched into a rapid descent shortly after approaching cruising altitude.
Airbus has confirmed the crash:
Airbus regrets to confirm that an A321-200 operated by Metrojet was involved in an accident shortly after 6:17 local time (04:17 GMT) over the Sinai Peninsula today. The aircraft was operating a scheduled service, Flight 7K-9268 from Sharm el Sheikh (Egypt) to St. Petersburg (Russia).
The concerns and sympathy of the Airbus employees go to all those affected by this tragic accident of Flight 7K-9268.
The aircraft involved in the accident, registered under EI-ETJ was MSN (Manufacturer Serial Number) 663, was produced in 1997 and since 2012 operated by Metrojet. The aircraft had accumulated some 56000 flight hours in nearly 21000 flights. It was powered by IAE-V2500 engines. At this time no further factual information is available.
In line with ICAO annex 13, an Airbus go-team of technical advisors stands-by ready to provide full technical assistance to French Investigation Agency – BEA – and to the Authorities in charge of the investigation.
The A321-200 is the largest member of the Airbus twin-engine A320 Family seating up to 240 passengers. The first A321 entered service in January 1994. By the end of September 2015, some 6500 A320 Family aircraft were in service with over 300 operators. To date, the entire fleet has accumulated some 168 million flight hours in some 92.5 million flights.
A loop of the flight's brief flight before crashing is shown below:
RT @flightradar24: Looping playback of #7K9268. Last data recorded at 04:13:22 UTC https://t.co/YGvJ7T0VMG pic.twitter.com/vkMDw93yzX
— Eric Lewis (@SubEWL) October 31, 2015
The aircraft was descending rapidly at about 6,000 (2,000 meters) feet per minute before the signal was lost to air traffic control.
Speed / Alt plotted on graph. Speed (purple) drops off before we lost contact at 04:13:10z #7K9268 pic.twitter.com/yhJSZ1Dclw
— Plane Finder (@planefinder) October 31, 2015
Raw data shows plane EI-ETJ had entered a steep descent. #7K9268 Download here https://t.co/Un19KvW1re pic.twitter.com/hlQ4X9URVL
— Plane Finder (@planefinder) October 31, 2015
A cabinet statement said Egyptian military planes had spotted wreckage of the plane in the Hassana area, south of Arish. The statement said: "Military planes have discovered the wreckage of the plane in a mountainous area and 45 ambulance have been directed to the site to evacuate dead and wounded."
People gather at the airline information desk at of Russian airline Kogalymaviaís desk.
The crash scene is a disaster.
"I now see a tragic scene," an Egyptian security officer at the scene told Reuters by telephone. "A lot of dead on the ground and many who died whilst strapped to their seats.
"The plane split into two, a small part on the tail end that burned and a larger part that crashed into a rock. We have extracted at least 100 bodies and the rest are still inside," the officer, who requested anonymity, said.
Emergency services and aviation specialists quickly began an inspection of the wreckage for any patterns of damage that could point to the cause. One of two flight recorders was quickly found, but wreckage was scattered over a wide area.
The security officer said 120 intact bodies had been found. Express adds that other bodies were also found strapped in to their seats after rescue teams searched the crash site.
No photos or footage of the crash site because of media blackout by the army in Sinai since 2013. https://t.co/QS9gjtpGIl
— Dalia Ezzat (@DaliaEzzat_) October 31, 2015
The full roster of passengers on the doomed flight can be found here.
Since accidents at cruising altitude are one of the rarest categories of accidents (but also among the most deadly, accounting for 13 percent of fatal incidents), the immediate question on everyone's mind - was the plane shot down from the ground? So far there are no clue as to what caused the crash. Sinai is the scene of an insurgency by militants close to Islamic State, who have killed hundreds of Egyptian soldiers and police and have also attacked Western targets in recent months.
Russia, an ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, launched air raids against opposition groups in Syria including Islamic State on Sept. 30.
Egyptian Prime Minister Sherif Ismail was heading to the crash site in the Hassana area 35 km (22 miles) south of the Sinai Mediterranean coastal city of Al Arish with several cabinet ministers on a private jet, the tourism ministry said.
Russian television showed film of anxious relatives and friends waiting for information at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo airport. Russian President Vladimir Putin declared a day of national mourning for Sunday.
The Airbus A321 has a solid safety record. It is a 185-seat medium-haul jet in service since 1994, with over 1,100 in operation worldwide and a good safety record. It is a highly automated aircraft relying on computers to help pilots stay within safe flying limits.
Saturday's crash is the second fatal accident involving this variant of the A320 jetliner family, according to data from the Flight Safety Foundation. Airbus said it had no independent information on the crash and declined to comment on the aircraft involved.
If any form of terrorist activity is confirmed, this will surely escalate the war in the region which yesterday bypassed mere proxy status, and will now see both Russian and US soldiers fighting on the opposite sides of the battlefield, this will merely push the world that much closer to a unrestrained conflict.
For now the hope is that this was purely a technical issue: the Russian RIA news agency, citing sources at Sharm el-Sheikh, said: "The pilot contacted the dispatcher and reported technical problems, asking for a change of the route and a landing at Cairo airport, after which communication was broken."
According to the airline, the cause of the tragic accident was not human error.
Kogalymavia airline believes human error wasn't cause of Sinai plane crash, representative tells Russian news agency https://t.co/3d313XYHEO
— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) October 31, 2015
According to RT, Metrojet had a fatal incident in 2011, when one of its planes caught fire on a runway in Surgut Airport in Russia’s Urals. Three people died and 40 were injured as the plane burned out in just 10 minutes.
The last large-scale Russian airline incident happened in November 2013, when Tatarstan Airlines Flight 363 crashed at Kazan International Airport while attempting to land. Fifty people died in the incident.
The UK's David Cameron has expressed his condolences.
My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of the victims of the Russian plane crash in Egypt and the Bucharest nightclub fire
— David Cameron (@David_Cameron) October 31, 2015
Russian President Vladimir Putin has expressed his deepest condolences to the families of victims of the crashed airliner. Putin also ordered government ministries to offer immediate assistance to relatives of those killed and an investigation into the causes of the crash.
The president declared a national day of mourning to take place on Sunday, November 1.
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31,000 ft. altitude, that's too high for a manpad.
True, but we will need more data to theorize.
Exactly, this was not the work of a manpad. I suspect that a bomb was loaded on board.
And, if it were a bomb, that implies a few things. First, there is no way that a squad of moronic, useful-idiot front-line ISIS pulled this off. Second, only those with the means of infultrating airport security would be able to execute this sort of thing. Thus, that points strongly to the regional intelligence player, one with a relatively warm relationship with the Egyptian powers that be.
That regional player would be called Mossad of Israel.
The question comes down to this: Is Putin ready to take on the world order that has more or less ruled for the past 70 years?
Up front... lots of questions. Any airplane crash is a sad tragedy. Can only hope more tragedy doesn't come from facts discovered involving this event.
I stopped the RT video after the lady said that DNA samples will be collected from relatives. That sounds too fishy.
My spider-senses started to tingle after seeing the montage of all the weel-produced photos of people hugging eachother at the airport.
DNA is the only way to identify the chunks of non-intact bodies - which seems to be almost half of the victims. Would you give up some DNA to get your relative's remains back?
Oh, I get it! You trust them!
Regardless of what happened to this plane, one thing is certain. In a world increasingly at war, lumpenleisure luxuries like commercial air travel (jetting off to exotic resorts) are going to be impossible to sustain.
Statistically, commercial airliners are still safer than private jets ( http://time.com/2807413/safe-private-jets/ ). Let's hope more executives opt for private jet transportation.
Who wants to go to Europe now or ever in the future. Especially Sweden and Germany.
If I wanted to go to Pakistan, Libya, Somalia - I would go there. I can also see Somalia in Minnesota.
Time to invest in small plastic fishing boats.
I dont get it..
If I were the 30 - 50 U.S. special ops folks that are going to be vacationing illegally in the North of Syria I'd be reading the comments here to know how much you're "loved"!
And lets not forget the "love" to those British and American pilots that have been turning off their transponders while flying sorties near Damascus and Aleppo within the past month!!!
It might be closer to 3,000 troops plus advisers sent to Syria for WW3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrqgUtuB__A
Yeah I saw that one too Fred...
Tatum has made the rounds A.J. prominent among them, albeit more sparingly than some others from "the Firm"... They are all in the business of intrigue as they want you to believe that they are risking "life and limb" to come clean to tell you the unvarnished truth...
Trouble is I wouldn't trust one god damn thing that comes out of the "pie hole" of anyone from Langley or the "Meade" with some very rare exceptions from people like Binney, Tice and Drake!...
Langley is by far the most pathological in the lies department and if you want to see the "leopard never changing his spots" watch Code Pink/Mr. VIPS himself Ray McGovern on CrossTalk RT News yesterday morning.
The other guests tore him a new one and you could visibley see how ticked off he was when he was defending the "white chimp"... When I was watching what he said I was saying to myself how can you defend the indefensible?... This is a guy that in his two terms has dismantled the U.S. Constitution and started open range wars with Russia's business partner of 50 years forcing more than 40,000 Russians to leave Syria in the last 4 years and stoked the worst ethnic conflict at the front door of Russia in Ukraine!...
Doesn't really matter at this point whether it's 30 or 30,000... The U.S. military has been intrumental at ripping apart Syria with thousands of "advisors" since 2011 in Syria both "flag patchers" and mercs from the likes of Dyncorp and Academi.
We've been in WWIII since the Volgagrad train bombings in 2013 and the overthrow of the Ukraine government in 2014, and as long as the vast majority in this Country believe otherwise it can only get much worse!
The bomb just may have been thrown at the Archduke's car. I see an awful lot of similarities to the start of WW1.
Putin's little Syrian adventure just got more expensive.
According to internet whackjob logic, the obvious conclusion would be that Putin did it to have an eexcuse to attack Egypt. If this had happened to a US plane, the nutbars here would all be agreeing how likely it was that the CIA did it.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, it was probably just some Islamic Brotherhood assets working in baggage handling or cleaning crews.
Islamic Brotherhood, you say? So youre putting the blame squarely on the cia and the united states of farcism? Interesting.
farcism
LMAO +1
You are as fucked up as any other whack job on this site. The pilot called it in that there were problems on the plane. That is all we really know. The wanted to land in Egypt, FFS.
You don't get to call us "whack jobs," you fucking paranoid whack job.
What does a weak third shift Hasbara troll get paid now a days?
Sounds like a technical problem as pilot reported, if looking to land early then clearly something was up with the plane.
Else the only entity likely to have shot the plane down at cruising alititude is Israel, and would be too obvious in that location. Then again in a world of false flags you need to also ask who would beneifit from such an act.
Unlikely to be ISIS as they wouldn't know whose airliner it was at that altitude and of course need to have know how to use the quipment.
If ISIS has anything remotely able to reach 31,000 feet they wouldn't do condom/helium comedy routine.
Speed dropped too fast for a technical problem IMHO
If something was on fire, could it not cause a larger fire, and then boom, boom, out go the lights?
It's an Airbus. It is possible.
Their computers can overrule the pilor. Bad sensor reading could send that plane into a dive.
Kind of odd that Israel offered to assist in finding survivors since they don't yet control that area.
Perhaps they wanted to destroy evidence.. human or otherwise
spot on. there's a race to get to (and fix?) the evidence
Tragedy really does bring out the absolute worst in the internet.
Russia was very close to the Golan heights a day or two ago....smells like cia/mossad.
Spot on. That was my immediate reaction as well. The Russians were more than very close by the way; as far as I know they got right up the Israelis' noses and warned them to back off.
This air disaster has Mossad written all over it. Probably working as ground crew in the Sinai, the same way it was an Israeli company "looking after" security at Schiphol airport when MH-17 left Amsterdam last year.
Russia has sent 5 plane loads of personnel and equipment to investigtate. If they conclude that the rogue state of Israel was responsible you can safely assume a response of Biblical proportions will be heading Tel Aviv's way in short order. These Jewish nutters really do think they are invulnerable, based on their mistaken belief that they are the People of the Covenant. Big mistake. They had the same insane idea back in the first century AD when they took on the might of the Roman Empire and got a savage and merciless beating in return, together with the total destruction of their Temple and with it the Jewish Nation.
I have a very strong feeling we're about to see a repeat of this in our own time, with Russia and Russian allies playing the part of the legion and auxiliaries. The time is approaching when many in Israel will regret the day they ever fell for the lie that they were the Chosen People, protected by God.
Sometimes these things just go down
Monica Lewenski and Huma Abedin come to mind.
You must have gotten down votes for not espousing a conspiracy of some kind.Try to be rational and you the down votes. Too hard to wait for an investigation, easier to throw out conspiracy theories.
You are correct. Especially considering this is an Airbus. I try to avoid flying on Airbus planes because according to pilot reports their philosophy is that the computer knows best. If there is some sort of a glitch and the plane decides to take a dive the pilot can do nothing about it.
That was suspected reason for the crash between South America and Europe few years back.
Boeing on the other hand has reverse philosophy. Computers assist but pilot makes the final decision... which sucks if your pilot starts screaming "Alan's Snackbar'.
If one engine dies, how long can it continue to fly ?
if two engines died at the same time, how long can it glide.
Wings fallen off ?
70+ miles with both engines out, if they dump fuel to lighten the weight - plenty of time to get a mayday out.
Speedchange to abrupt for a technical problem.
Yep, had to be some kind of catastophic event
Yep, plus Egyptian security forces are saying the plane crashed due to technical reasons. The speed of this conclusion tends to discount the entire statement.
Unless their "technical reason" is gravity.
technical mechanical problem? They had an issue, was it related to the explosion or is that just two coincindences?
When a twin engine plane loses an engine, the other engine will get you safely to the crash site.
Ron White is that you??
lmao
"We downed some folks."
There would be lots and lots of radar and satellite watching that area, very hard to take down an airliner through external means without being spotted.
Putin should just nuke Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Flollow it up with nuking Norway and Sweden. Nuke Switzerland after a few days. Lets see if the NATO pussies are going to defend "neutral" states. Nuke Australia and NewZealand after a day.
Then draw Turkey(with all its Sunni allies obliterated) into a war with Iran. Give Iran nuclear umbrella against Israel.
Bomb Turkey to the stone age.
Then start project Europe. Pick the weaklings - Greece, Portugal and Spain.
Work in tandem with China, North Korea and Iran.
a bomb onboard brought this down...who are the perps is the only mystery at this point.
experts will be able to determine and report if a bomb
exploded inside the plane in much less than 18 months,
(unless of course the Dutch will be leading the investigation).
Putin should nuke Shitsrael, Murka, Saudis, Britfags.
How do you get 224 people in a 185 seat medium airliner ?
More carefully you need to read.
This from Airbus.
Caught my attention too
OH, OH, OH! Me, pick me!
It was flying to a clown convention!
You say it was not on it's way to Washington D.C.?
Nevermind.
put 39 in the ashtray?
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Just as predicted ,http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/30/ukrainian-wikileaks-mccain-and-saakashvili-are-plotting-to-shoot-down-american-plane-in-syria-to-blame-russia-transcript/
Inflight snack was wall paper paste with octogenarian giblets a la Leningrad ?
Parasite on someone else's grief and death is disgusting.
The near vertices descent implies catastrophic failure. Plane is the Volvo of the skies so I find a mechanical failure hard to fathom.
Egypt is going full rested on the Jihad front and the sharm airport is not the most secure in the world. Also the Russians are not liked in Sharm - but their money is - now Putin is involved in Syria it would have very simple to set something up in this backwater.
Maybe this will convince Russians to avoid Sharm. I hate the place. Good diving but weird vibe there.
A technical failure or a human factor likely. The owner is a small company so technical negligence and overuse of planes, low quality fuel and overworking pilots are usual things for such a company.
Unless the pilot pulled German airlines death wish, very difficult to get a passenger jet to make that steep of a descent unless there was a hole in it.
I can only speak for myself here, but I offer my condolences and sympathy to the families of those that were killed in this plane crash. I feel sorrowful for the many lives that were lost, but I hope and wish that a community will emerge to comfort and help in the struggle with such a painful experience as is the unexpected death of relatives and friends.
Hear, hear.
Well said. Many greenies for this...
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"The pilot contacted the dispatcher and reported technical problems, asking for a change of the route and a landing at Cairo airport, after which communication was broken."
A technical fault that results in a vertical descent? The pilot reported a technical issue and requests landing at Cairo. So obviously at that stage not catestrophic in nature, thus not a bomb or air attack.
A wing would have to break off to do this, or do we have another death by Pilot, which now appears to be the conclusion most suited to the facts known at the momoent, or somebody breaking into the cockpit.
Egypt makes first move to protect their tourist industry.
Egypt security forces tell Rueters was a "technical" error. Amazing Egypt Security moonlights as Aviation disaster experts.
The Egyptians need to keep from scaring the tourists as it gets infiltrated by Daesh. Last week there was a bomb attack in Cairo also.
of course their reported statement...
"The pilot contacted the dispatcher and reported technical problems, asking for a change of the route and a landing at Cairo airport, after which communication was broken."
could be pure invention.
Some reports in the Egyptian media cited eyewitnesses as saying the plane was on fire as it fell.
https://www.rt.com/news/320217-russian-plane-off-radars/
Egyptian economy is doing well right now as there has been a TREMENDOUS amount of GCC money pumped into construction and development projects in Egypt. However, there is an increasing Jihadi problem in Egypt which is getting less coverage.
AFP, CairoFriday, 23 October 2015Four people including two Egyptian policemen were wounded Friday in a failed attempt to dismantle a bomb outside a Cairo hotel near the pyramids, a security official said.
Two policemen and two hotel security guards were wounded as they tried to deactivate the explosive device found by security guards outside the Meridien hotel near the Giza pyramids, he said.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/10/23/Four-hurt-in...
This is all Mossad shit. Targeting western tourists. Their highest-level targets, with the most propaganda value.
Egyptians must settle for mejicanos.
IDF probably called that one in too. "Trust us, ve have ze satellite image of ze brown volks"
The "problems" with Malaysia's national airline began when their former PM tried to start a parallel International Criminal Court to try war criminals Bush, Cheney, Blair etc., because the one in the Hague was doing nothing.
This plane was not shot down, the pilot reported mechanical problems and requested a redirect to Cario for emergency landing.
If I had to guess at this point, based on the extremely rapid descent, it is possible that there was tampering with the electronics or mechanicals at the ground crew level. Then whatever device was triggered by a timer or electronic signal. The usual suspects of course.
Let's hope the Russian investigators get there first, but that already seems unlikely.
Zios were probably on the ground waiting for it to fall. Now they have the black boxes. imo they were probably on the scene before the Egyptian military. I mean they usually are, in that area.
I think the result will be an impetus for Iran and Russia and Syria to intensify their efforts to get this done ASAP.
But for Russia keeping the Syrian mess going for long as possible is just as good. It isnt about winning so much, but keeping Israel, SA and USA taking over Syria.
They oughta know by now that Putin isn't going to allow that, for many reasons. All this will do is seriously piss him off.
Damn those western sanctions! Damn you! Look what you have done! You murdered russians people because airplane crashed of technical reasons! You knew we cannot survive without western technology - so we die! Are you happy now! Are you!
Your English isn't good enough to be funny when people die.
ha ha ha hasbara
Can i downvote myself for saying that diving is done in Sharm el-Sheikh and not on the way back home.
Cape Canaveral FL is shooting up something on an Atlas 5 rocket in about an hour...supposedly another military satellite.
Oh if only they'd done it yesterday, then we would know exactly what happened! /s
Those Red Sea resorts of Sharm el sheikh and Hurghada, are very, very popular with the Russians .So many Russians visit there that some taxi drivers even speak Russian and many street signs are in the Russian Cyrillic language. It feels almost like a little Russian enclave on the Red Sea.
The Russian investigators arrived with 5 planes of equipment and people - have to wait to see what they say.
20 russian planes crashed in 20 years - same way as this one. Damn you! Damn!
Did not Russia jump into a snake pit?
What do you expect from involvement with these people?
I know, blame Israel.
You idiots will see the same crazy Islam flooding your own countries
It aint Israel, it is Islam.
Ha ha ha
dsty are you retarded or do you think everyone else is ? So you seriouly hav,nt been paying attention and are completely unaware that Israel and their fifth collumists (Barbara Spectre and her ilk) have been working diligently to flood Europe with Islamists ? Throw in Israel,s bitch attack dogs USA ,UK , Isis etc to create the right conditions i.e Mad Maxness to drive people to "safe haven" Europe and hey presto abra Oded Yinon divide the white tribes of Europe the only threat to global Zion (they remember the patriot Adolf and how although completely out numbered and out gunned he might just have succeded) . So yes it is Israel AND Islam
Was anyone there to witness the event?
Prayers for the family and friends of the crew and passengers.
it is time to change the leadership of USA, Israel, UK, and Saudi by any means...
FL310 is too high for a shoulder launched missle, and air to air seems out. A bad ISIS guy onboard seems to make the most sense. The motive is certainly there now.
To Russia
If this looks and smells like it looks and smells it's time to cut your losses permanently.
Expel the U.S., British, Israeli and Saudi embassies from Moscow and call all of your dips home from those Capital(s)..
Advance a warning to the Germans, French, Spanish, Italian and remaining EU government(s) that the "ball is in their court" and if they want to avoid any future "mishaps" it woudl be in their future best interests to coordinate there efforts collectively to take care of the human baggage they currently have at their doorstep(s) courtesy of those government(s) the've just expelled and help with the rebuilding efforts once Syria and Iraq are rescued, i.e. what is left of them that is.
Time to cut the losses when you know that keeping your enemies "inside the fort" no longer has any value left only risk!
Terrorism by the usual suspects the USA, the terrorists of the world
Early speculation about causes of major air crashes is usually a loser's game.
The newer generation of Airbuses and Boeings are flown by computers, with the pilots largely monitoring the computers. When there is a technical problem, the pilots often cannot figure out the problem before they run out of time. See this excellent discussion in an analysis of the 2009 crash off Brazil of Air France Flight 447: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2014/10/air-france-flight-447-crash
Air travel in the newest airliners is generally safer than before, but very small technical problems can, strangely and very quickly, lead to seemingly inexplicable catastrophe.
Here is what the Russians are probably thinking:
Either a bomb on board from the Saudis
OR Israel shot it down (look at the map)
either or, both parties listed above working together.
They know that in the end both of these nations will be over run with angry Russians and other former Soviet states along with Middle East Nations and every living thing there will get wiped.
Blow back is a bitch. Nice job getting involved Mr Putin. 224 of your countrymates are now dead.
They will be avenged. Which is more justice than the 3000 killed by the House of Saud on 9/11/01 ever got.
Let's hear you laugh then.
rut roh... http://news.yahoo.com/group-egypt-claims-downed-russian-airliner-1414430...
ISIS in the Sinai is ISRAEL. Period. No investigation required.
Rest in peace motherfuckers
I have flown on domestic carriers in Russia and had fingers crossed... never heard of this airline... must be really cheap as trips to Egypt are incredibly cheap... two weeks with hotel food and flight for $250... too cheap... but these planes are usually maintained under contract with leasing firms.
What is odd is that it broke up in the air... with such a descent it would be obliterated if it hit the ground going straight down,, if it broke up due to speed of descent (too fast) there prob would not be such reports of cries from the passengers on the ground, too intact, again lots of speed and smashing into the ground. Hard to believe the plane would crash like this even if it had a fire, or loss of all power.
smells like a bomb or more than one bomb... blasted the plane in mid air in pieces and they fell to the ground in largly intact.
Nuke Israel Vlad.
Just a week ago Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter was warning Russia of a terrorist event against Russia. Maybe he had inside knowledge!!!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/08/russia-pay-price-syrian-air...
Mossad tampering and Russian airline pilots: sure thing.
Israel is trying to draw Russia into Egypt up to the Israeli border so that they can cry to USA and say look at evil Russia....
ISIS is run by Mossad...
Putin needs S400 on the ground in Egypt and needs to get the factories going to build thousands of these systems. Also even build cheap old WW2 tanks with newer fire control. They work good. Mass produce them... get Iran to build them in the thousands.
Russia and China need to delay WW3 until they have sufficient numbers of good weapons on hand. So get those factories humming. NEOCONS should not dictate the timing.
Low tech will win... after some weeks modern weapons will be spent.
It always makes me shake my head when people say "Washington" is behind something, when Washington can't go to the bathroom without checking out first with israel.
When Hagel was up before the Senate for confirmation, he was hardly asked any questions that are relavent to the American people and American security, it was ALL about Isreal and Iran. Yet so few credit our dear masters when Washington acts. They blame it on our "suport for the Saudi's", really? Look at the list of contributors to BOTH parties, look at the list of "dual-citizens" in the US governemnt, they are not from Saudi Arabia, they are from Israel.
Washington is occupied, and for some reason, even the most enlightened media scores never put two and two together, unless they have no choice, like when Benny "the butcher" Netanyahu went before the US Congress. Otherwise, its like the 800 lbs matzah balll in the room. Of course when you own the media, Hollywood, the Fed, Wall Street and represent alomst half of the rich in the US, you basically get what you want, even if its WWIII.
Sounds like a bomb detonated by a change in pressure.
The effect of this will be a "surge" and "shock and awe" by Russian military. We've been down this road before.
As soon as our ridiculous government sights the reason, you're free to assume the exact-opposite.
This whole thing reeks of Jewish mysticism. The Jews ultimately worship Satan seeing that their holy day falls on Saturday (Saturn).
In occult mysticism, Isis (ISIL?) is the daughter of Saturn.
Halloween or "All Souls Day" is when the world of the dead nears the living.
Sinai, where the plane crashed is where serpent worshipper Moses received the Law and was illuminated.
$1 says they find an intact passport in pristine condition that belonged to an Isis member which just happen to fall 30,000 feet and survive a flaming wreckage.
Fuck this shit. Nuke Israhell.
IMHO this was exactly what it looks like, a tragic accident. while it is possible that the airliner was shot down I don't think that is likely to be the case. there is nothing to suggest that IS Egypt has the tools needed to bring down a plane flying at that altitude, in fact I came across some interesting print at military times stating how Israel and Egypt has limited low alt flights because IS did get their hands on some MANPADS but there was no threat to planes flying at higher altitudes.
and even if there patrons in the kingdom or washington or wherever did hand off a stray BUK or western equivalent it would not have been deployed to the Sinai for so many obvious reasons. also why shoot down a civilian airliner and then stay silent about it? after all the calls for jihad against Russia you would think IS would be gloating over this victory and threatening more to come if Moscow does not back off. cause no matter who is pulling the strings that would be the point, but the tactic doesn't really work that well if nobody claims it. there is no other possible point or purpose to shooting down a civilian airliner, that's just terrorism 101. and there is nothing to suggest there were any high value targets on that particular flight.
I could be wrong but I don't see a shoot down here just a sad turn of fate for those on board.
never mind, I stand corrected. ISIS just claimed it.
Bullshit!
Some drunken Ukrainian Nazi can bring down a plane full of civilians with bankster-financed weaponry just to make Putin look bad, you think a goatfucker in league with the House of Saud can't do the same?
This was a modern Airbus, not a rented Soviet rustbucket that was unsafe even when it was new.
A goatfucker decided to pay his way into heaven with the corpses of Christian civilians and earn some infamy here on earth, and shot the Russian airliner out of the sky. Simple as that.
You need to cut back on the sauce, your hatred is clouding your reason.
The only way some "drunken Ukranian Nazi" brings down an Airbus at cruising altude is the "old fashioned" way - with a bomb on board the plane (not a missile). A sober hacker might have other options, and a super power nation state most certainly has other options.
but his praise to Allah came true and Majeeb danced under the rain of Christian blood with his goats on all Hallow'Eve
How soon do you suppose we'lll be informed that this was a false flag orchestrated by Putin himself?
After all, only the Russians shoot down civilian airliners in cold blood, right?
Right?
/sarcasm off
Back in reality, I doubt Riyadh is as happy as all that with the job done by their self-styled allies in Egypt. Muslims who kill or injure Russian civilians quickly learn that the life of a million low-IQ goatfuckers are not worth a Russian fingernail.
Russia had many good reasons to remove the House of Saud and restore order to the Middle East on her terms. Now add good old fashioned revenge to the list.
Ukrainian bloggers are overjoyed by this incident. They regard it as payback for Putin (supposedly) shooting down MH-17. This tells you all you need to know about the basket case of Europe.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/news-front.info/2015/10/31/krush...
The Airbus was also carrying 3 (or 4 according to different reports) Ukrainians. Wait until the Ukrops find out about that. Putin personally murdered them!
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
There's a lot of speculation here. Sit tight. The Russians will have the answers to this very quickly. let's pray it was an accident because if it isn't, someone is going to pay;and pay dearly! The Russians are not pussies like the USSA and they have no problem with retribution. Let's hope it wasn't the CIA or Mossad. Then it would be on like Donky Kong! Sommeone please tell me we're not headed towards WWIII because it sure as shit looks like it to me!
actually the USSA aren't pussies and have no problem raw fucking anyone for its zio masters.. what is America fighting for anyway?
I hope Pres O has the class to condemn this incident in spite of his differences with Pres P.
USSA ZIO-CONS... tick... tick... tick...
Zionists are hard at work, they are pulling out all the tricks, wait for another "9/11", who knows with this group...
the crazy push of mussies into Europe seems like spraying gas on the fire.. the chaos is off the charts.. we'll start eating each other soon as the chosen laugh from their Rothschild palaces
Doods, while you are all tripping over each other looking for clues of CIA or Mossad or fuckyouintheassrussians organization's fingerprints, the reason for this is very simple and fecken banal - this plane is 18 years old and was bought for pennies from Lebanon airlines. This plane was a pure and ultimate piece of shit and was supposed to be scrapped years ago. Instead, the greedy airline chose to continue flying it. Which is very consistent with how Russians run things.
A great country that has money to build tanks, bomb their neighbors and threaten the whole world can’t provide basic transportation to their own citizens! It’s a fucking joke and you are all idiots if you believe in CIA story here.
"A great country that has money to build tanks, bomb their neighbors and threaten the whole world..."
You means the US, right?
Nuke Jerusalem Vlad.
Why is it that when people say "Washington" is behind something, they don't automatically assume Israel is behind it (Zionists), because Washington can't go to the bathroom without checking out first with israel.
When Hagel was up before the Senate for confirmation, he was hardly asked any questions that are relavent to the American people and American security, it was ALL about Isreal and Iran. Yet so few credit our dear masters when Washington acts. They blame it on our "suport for the Saudi's", really? Look at the list of contributors to BOTH parties, look at the list of "dual-citizens" in the US governemnt, they are not from Saudi Arabia, they are from Israel.
Washington is occupied, and for some reason, even the most enlightened media scores never put two and two together, unless they have no choice, like when Benny "the butcher" Netanyahu went before the US Congress. Otherwise, its like the 800 lbs matzah balll in the room. Of course when you own the media, Hollywood, the Fed, Wall Street and represent alomst half of the rich in the US, you basically get what you want, war in the Middle east, or World War 3.
you read the Nixon tapes??
http://nationalvanguard.org/2010/10/richard-nixon-theres-a-jewish-cabal/
I don't know if this video true is or fake (but it is fake, lol), but Sina islamic front (Isis in Egypt) claims this is the video of shooting down the russian plane by a missile today .
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee4_1446300521#3pmv4zOWiVODsbFo.99
This is unverified video.
SIF (ISIS affiliate) is claiming responsibility
Prayers upwards for the innocent, I no longer care what nationality they are. Whether one uses a logic tree or creative analysis we are all interconnected. I no longer make commentary tactics, it is unwise as it only inflames passions and adds to the casualties. We are all going to have to find a way to forgive at some point and the mood of this world is not making that sentiment easy.
It is most likely undo activation of alpha protection and improper pilot response. This is an Airbus computer issue that has surfaced lately. It would be consistent with the radar data. I just trained on this last week in the simulator and it is very tricky to properly identify the problem.
This has the potential to be very, very bad.
"Who benefits" smells like a false flag. Wait for the evidence.
I present to you the Airliner Lusitania....
The US was backing ISIS, but says it’s now fighting against it, but is mad at Russia for getting rid of ISIS even though that's what it says it also wants. The US backs moderate Al Qaeda fighters against Syria, even though Al Qaeda was behind 9/11.
What has Syria done to the USA? Nothing.
So, how are the Syrians & Russians the enemy?
he killed his own baby with mustard gas or something now get out of the way of this pipeline since we have to heat all those new muslim camps in Euroakbarikstan paid for by German taxes and government debt
Russia has denied the involvement of ISIS in the crash of the Airbus A321
"According to currently available data, based on working contacts with the Egyptian side, the information that the plane was shot down, can not be considered reliable.
We are in close contact with our Egyptian colleagues, the aeronautical authorities of that country. And at the moment they have no information that would confirm such allegations," – said the head of Ministry of transport of Russia Maxim Sokolov"
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
The Russians are waiting to see what the evidence says before going any further.
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