Russian Plane "Broke Apart In The Air," Officials Say As Investigators Frantically Search For "Clues"

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Just when it seemed as though the conflict in Syria and the attendant ISIS saga couldn’t possibly get any more surreal, on Saturday a Russian passenger jet fell out of the sky over the Sinai Peninsula. Subsequently, ISIS claimed responsibility and released a video clip that purportedly depicts the mid-air explosion that brought the plane down. 

All 224 people on board were killed including 17 children. It was the worst “accident” in the history of Russian aviation. Bodies are reportedly scattered as far as 8 kilometers from the crash site. "We found a three-year-old girl eight kilometres from the scene" of the main wreckage, one official told AFP. The picture shown below, which depicts Darina, a 10-month old girl killed in the crash staring at planes before flying to Egypt, has gone viral.

Now, as Russia mourns, authorities are scrambling to determine exactly what happened and more than a few observers contend that ISIS couldn’t possibly have shot the plane down given the altitude. Nevertheless, some international airlines have diverted traffic over the region which has been the site of clashes between the Egyptian government and militants. 

Adding to the mystery, the plane’s co-pilot allegedly voiced concerns about the condition of the aircraft prior to the flight and while officials insist that it would be extraordinarily difficult for a terrorist group to hit a plane flying at 31,000 feet, Prime Minister Sherif Ismail says there’s “no evidence that anything unusual was happening on the plane before it crashed.”

Here’s more from Bloomberg:

Prime Minister Sherif Ismail said in a televised news conference on Saturday that it would be premature to speculate on the cause of the crash before the data on recorders were analyzed. 

 

Conflicting reports have emerged about whether the pilot, who was flying at an altitude of 31,000 feet, indicated a technical problem. While Civil Aviation Minister Hossam Kamal said the pilot hadn’t radioed an SOS call, the Dubai-based Al-Arabiya satellite channel reported he had sought permission to land at a nearby airport. 

 

“It is technically difficult to target a plane at that level,” Ismail said. “We have no evidence that anything unusual was happening on the plane before it crashed.”

 

Islamic State’s statement doesn’t specify how the plane was downed and the local affiliate may have jumped the gun to take credit, Mokhtar Awad, an analyst at the Center for American Progress, a research institute in Washington, said by e-mail. Russian Transportation Minister Maxim Sokolov said on state television that reports of a terrorist missile aren’t credible.

 

Former Israeli national security adviser Yaakov Amidror, an army reserves general, concurred that it was unlikely an Islamist group shot down the aircraft. But “other scenarios also have to be considered, especially the possibility that the plane was sabotaged at the airport before taking off,” Amidror said.

 

Preliminary investigations indicate the plane went down due to a technical problem, the state-run Ahram Gate website said, citing Egyptian security officials. The plane had reached cruising altitude before crashing in the remote

 

Al Hassana area of central Sinai, about 50 kilometers (30 miles) south of Al-Arish. Egyptian security forces have been waging a fierce campaign in the area against militants who have pledged allegiance to Islamic State.

Other experts claim that the plane's movements just prior to the crash seem to rule out a terrorist attack. 

In its final seconds Saturday, the Metrojet plane was bucking wildly, abruptly climbing and descending before communication was lost, according to FlightRadar24.com, which tracks flight routes. At times it dropped as fast as 6,000 feet per minute, only to reverse and climb even faster, repeating that pattern several times. At other times, it slowed dangerously. About 24 seconds before losing contact, it dropped to 71 miles per hour from 470 miles, according to the data. Jetliners such as the Airbus 321 can’t stay aloft at such a speed.

 

If the FlightRadar24 data are correct, “it probably rules out sabotage,” said Paul Hayes, director of air safety and insurance at Ascend Worldwide. “It’s probably some sort of control problem.”

As a refresher, here's a look at the flight path and data:

The aircraft was descending rapidly at about 6,000 (2,000 meters) feet per minute before the signal was lost to air traffic control.

And here's a bit more color from Sputnik:

Experts from Egypt, Russia, and France have started analyzing the flight data recorders of the Russian airliner which crashed Saturday in Egypt killing 224, Egyptian media report.

 

The airliner's flight recorders were discovered on Saturday night. The Russian transportation minister said they had no significant damages.

 

"There is minor technical damage. But there was no thermal impact as the Egyptian representatives say," Maksim Sokolov said.

 

A Kogalymavia/Metrojet Airbus A321 en route to St. Petersburg from the resort city of Sharm El-Sheikh with 217 passengers and seven crew on board, crashed in the Sinai Peninsula, leaving no survivors. The Sinai air crash became the deadliest air accident in the history of Russian aviation, surpassing the 1985 disaster in Uzbekistan, where 200 people died.

 

And so, even as the "experts" claim that i) ISIS couldn't have shot the plane down, and ii) that the data seem to "rule out" sabotage, one can't help but note that Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was brought down by a missile over Ukraine and furthermore, it's not clear why "some sort of control problem" isn't compatible with someone either hitting the aircraft with a projectile or else detonating an explosive on board. That is, when planes explode in mid-flight, it tends to lead to "control problems." Indeed, Russian officials have confirmed that the plane "broke apart in the air": 

"It is too early to draw conclusions," MAK executive director Viktor Sorochenko says. "Disintegration of the fuselage took place in the air, and the fragments are scattered around a large area [about 20 square kilometers]", the official added.

Yes, it "broke apart", which would appear to suggest that it in fact exploded. And so even as it will probably never be possible to definitively say whether or not the video released on Saturday is real or fake, we would note once again that if the footage is authentic, someone on the ground knew exactly when to start filming.

 

In any event, we'll await the "official" word, although reports indicate that it could take weeks, or even months to determine exactly what happened here. That said, if there's even a shred of credible evidence to corroborate the video shown above, don't expect The Kremlin to wait around on the full report as IS in Sinai may soon find themselves shooting at other Russian jets in the skies above Egypt - only these jets will be shooting back. 

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Tonald J Drump's picture

>>>>   False Flag/foul play

>>>>   legit accident

Takeaction2's picture
Takeaction2 (not verified) Tonald J Drump Nov 1, 2015 10:17 AM

We need TRUMP Now...this arrogant ignorant leader and all who are pushing him around need to go...and now.  

highandwired's picture

Tyler Durden: ISIS releases Video of Russian Airplane Explosion and Claims Responsibility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d-xbnuvr7c

y3maxx's picture

Watch for an El Al civilian jet to blow up from russian retaliation.

highandwired's picture

If ISIS is in fact responsible, the response will be brutal.

 

Putin knows EVERYTHING, especially where these rats are hiding!

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Johnny Horscaulk (not verified) highandwired Nov 1, 2015 10:43 AM

isis is the us, israel, turks, and saudis.

you likely know that, but its worth bearing in mind.

Latina Lover's picture

Pass the popcorn and stay tuned to see how Putin plays this out.

 

"Never  let a crisis  go to waste. "   Obama's handler and bath house buddy. 

BlindMonkey's picture

"Never  let a crisis  go to waste. "

 

This is certainly frightening.  I don't expect an engineered overreaction but it certainly isn't a comforting thought.

Ignatius's picture

The picture of the child at the window, some things just tear at the heart.

J S Bach's picture

"...other scenarios also have to be considered, especially the possibility that the plane was sabotaged at the airport before taking off,” Amidror said.

It's interesting and a little suspect that this comment was made by an Israeli - with ties to a group (Mossad) who are the undisputed masters of this kind of terrorism.

Occident Mortal's picture

Is this proof that ISIS condom bombs work?

Socratic Dog's picture

Plane taken over remotely?  Pilots fighting against the takeover?

Laowei Gweilo's picture

Putin probably did it himself

 

just like he did with sacrificing those children to justify a war against Chechnya

 

exact same thing with this now with ISIL

Latina Lover's picture

Go away insensitive troll.  Putin does not need to sacrifice children to gain domestic support to destroy ISIS.  With an 85%+ of russians supporting him, he could declare himself supreme leader, but he does not.  Are you Jealous because Putin loves Russia while Obama in his heart hates America?

turtle's picture

and if not accident then Cui Bono?

ISIS bringing down the wrath of Putin?... don't think so.

Russian false flag?... hardly a need and not Putin's style.

Financial elites blaming ISIS?... They do need a cover event for the impending global financial implosion!

Israel blaming ISIS?... for ALL the usual reasons which see their position strengthened by weakening their neighbours and providing cover events for further territorial claims including Golan Heights: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/30/neo-are-the-zionists-fracking-hackers-in-the-golan-heights/

jeff montanye's picture

the comment about putin and chechnya upthread is not without some historical validity but the mood now is quite different in russia it would seem.  more detail about domestic polling prior to the crash would help.

but the bucking and strange maneuvers reminds me of who sold the "anti-hijacking" devices to at least some of the planes supposedly involved in 9-11.  oh you remember, that israeli rabbi who was the pentagon's controller and responsible for running down the missing trillions of dollars "lost" (shades of corzine) that were nonetheless announced as missing on 9-10-01.

http://www.rense.com/general75/latest.htm

http://www.rense.com/general74/911h.htm

http://rense.com/general62/murdre.htm

Laowei Gweilo's picture

haha you actually believe that number? oh wow

and no, obama is an idiot and the usa can suck an egg

Shumbies's picture

A Jeep? Probably hacked itself and died.

dark pools of soros's picture

nice!   Condom away!!!!  there she bloooowws!!!!

 

 

 

 

IndyPat's picture

No. It's proof that whoever smelt it dealt it.

fxrxexexdxoxmx's picture

Any children on that plane over Ukraine? And how come we did not see a sotry or a picture about the dead children while blame was being shifted away from the guy who provided the equipment to bring it down?

jeff montanye's picture

so far the only blame the dutch have dished out has been to kiev for not routing civilian planes away from a war zone.

the criminal probe is yet to report, who knows if it will be right, but it may very well implicate the russian speaking rebels, or it may not.

A Nanny Moose's picture

Her passport was found intact, right next to her.

OzFan's picture

Obama bath house Reggie Love approved.

 

On a serious note, a very sad and bad incident.....that pic of the girl starring at planes is heartbreaking and tragic.  As tragic as the US hospital bombing that killed those Afghan kids Or the Palestinian kids bombed by the state of Israel, or the Syrian kids killed in the Turkush/CIA sponsored gas attack.

I fcking hate these zio/neo/us puppet monsters.....getting there balls sucked in bathhouses by pedophiles while scheming their next rape of some country and its ppl, praying to their lucifer god. Peices of shit.

Go Putie.....go China....

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Teh Finn (not verified) Latina Lover Nov 1, 2015 11:26 AM

"Never  let a crisis  go to waste. "   Obama's handler and bath house buddy. 

Same goes for the tiny Medvedev and his reset button "tiny-boy" Putin.

farflungstar's picture

"tiny-boy" could in all likelihood stuff you head-first into your laundry hamper with one hand 

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Teh Finn (not verified) farflungstar Nov 1, 2015 1:01 PM

You poor insecure dummy...  :(

farflungstar's picture

you poor confused ass bandit

jeff montanye's picture

while i agree with the first half of your comment, imo there is way too much use of gay epithets to insult people here.  i would rather see closer parsing of the actual comment.

such as: all you can come up with is tiny and boy?  that's it?  someone said something mean about your "friend" and all you've got is same at yours and they're smaller and younger?

ah, i don't know, maybe ass bandit does it better. 

Max Steel's picture

Not done with your quota yet¿

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Surviver22 (not verified) Latina Lover Nov 2, 2015 8:03 AM

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highandwired's picture

I agree,

the comment still stands, especially that he knows where the rats are

 

Blankone's picture

Putin know's ISIS is just CIA/Massad.  Putin knows that US/Israel took down a Russian airliner and are using ISIS as a cover for what was actually done by the US/Israel.  Putin does not want to confront them for this.  So, Putin and media friendly to Putin wants to paint this as just an accident that could not have been due to covert actions.  What helps is that the US/Israel also want to public to think it was just an accident thus the msm will make it out to be an accident - but they know the message was received by Putin.

Now will Putin also abandon the areas of Syria that receive US boots on the ground?  Will Putin allow the US to get established, build outposts and then keep expanding until all but the coast of Syria is theirs.

A master chess player would have expected these events and already have a plan to respond by moving forward or retreating backward.  Putin is now in that position of doing one or the other.

(Sure, a control wire or hydraulics or electronics failed and that caused the plane to break apart in mid air)

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Johnny Horscaulk (not verified) Blankone Nov 1, 2015 11:21 AM

amazing that you know this for sure - your mother's basement must have Star Trek-level technology.

Crisismode's picture

 

 

Your Mother's basement already has you.

 

Does she come down and visit you at midnight like she did when you were 14?

 

 

turtle's picture

So twisted. When is a false flag not really a false flag? When your enemy's enemy are one and the same.

Putin has time to contemplate his next move. A 2nd such event would make your claims more convincing and if proven to be true, might be just the catalyst needed to turn public opinion against the evil world zionist empire.

jeff montanye's picture

hubris is the flaw.  they think they are invulnerable since they got away with 9-11 and, essentially, everything since.  but a critical mass of critics is forming.  the information is so much harder to conceal nowadays.

Socratic Dog's picture

Didn't start with 9/11.  Kennedy's assasination, or likely earlier.  Same people/institutions,

turtle's picture

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if the Saudis had something to do with this one... still haven't gotten over Putin's interfering in Syria to avoid war after false flag chemical attack... this was also before ISIS had formally appeared. 

Global Observer's picture

So, Putin and media friendly to Putin wants to paint this as just an accident that could not have been due to covert actions.

 

Whatever you are smoking must be really powerful.

 

Russia will follow procedure and then confront the possible perpetrators with evidence. The movements of the plane in the last seconds before losing radar contact appear like desperate measures to avoid a guided missile. Evidence of that will be found in the flight data recorders and the fragments of the missile in the wreckage as well. Even if it were a US missile (unlikely, but not impossible), it will be blamed on Israel. Israel will likely deny it fired a guided missile, but won't matter any, once the US too agrees with that accusation.

 

There will be no military retaliation from Russia, only crippling sanctions from the UN against Israel. It is the end of Israel, but a strong case has to be made for the US abandoning Israel at the UNSC and Israel attacking a Russian civilian plane of tourists flying over a zone where no military craft are operating will be the strongest that can be made, especially if Russia a threatens a full scale military response if the UN doesn't sanction Israel. US will agree to sanction Israel to prevent Israel's destruction in a Russian military attack.

Pazuzu's picture

Your smoke is just as good if you think that Israel is going away anytime soon without multiple mushroom cloud going away presents for all their neighbers. And everybody knows that the US is never going to turn on Israel. Even I can see that through a Haze-based haze.

Since it seems to be WAG time mine is that the Rods of God crew are now shooting skeet.

Global Observer's picture

Israel is going away anytime soon without multiple mushroom cloud going away presents for all their neighbers.

Funny how after a decade of rattling their sabres about taking care of Iran if the US doesn't do it, they just shut up talking when the US finally signed the nuclear accord with Iran. For all their talk Israelis are chicken and wouldn't do anything that will come back to hurt them although very eager to go bombing everyone who cannot retaliate.

Israel cannot even think of attacking Russia without getting wiped out. Russia is a net-exporter of oil and doesn't care much if Israel dropped a few nukes on the Middle East countries before it is wiped out for good. Russia has no interests in the Middle East.

And everybody knows that the US is never going to turn on Israel.

Sure, if the US had any choice in the matter. But if the choice for the US is between agreeing to sanction Israel through the UN and Russia bombing Israel (there is no way the US can stop Russia from doing it if Russia wants, especially after the US admits it was an Israeli missile that downed the Russian airliner), the US will choose the former because it is less harmful to Israel.

Ghordius's picture

"There will be no military retaliation from Russia, only crippling sanctions from the UN against Israel...."

I guess smoking powerful stuff or living in an alternate universe is quite the rage.

Who is going to do such a "strong case"? One that causes the US not to veto anything even remotely distasteful to the jewish american electorate and the pro-zionist evangelical american electorate?

And this without even going into how to find the evidence of Israeli meddling, if that is even the case at all

the region is chockerblock full of cat's paws, remember?

Global Observer's picture

Who is going to do such a "strong case"?

The investigation into the attack on the Russian airliner. If the investigation concludes that the airliner was downed by an Israeli missile with evidence of the missile in the debris collected, is anyone in the West going to dismiss it as manufactured evidence? Or will they claim that Israel has the right to down civilian airliners passing through a neighbour's territory? Or that Russia has no right to retaliate against the murder of its citizens?

 

Russia can use a military option against Israel, if necessary or the UN sanctions route. What do you think the US will prefer?