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Russian Plane "Broke Apart In The Air," Officials Say As Investigators Frantically Search For "Clues"
Just when it seemed as though the conflict in Syria and the attendant ISIS saga couldn’t possibly get any more surreal, on Saturday a Russian passenger jet fell out of the sky over the Sinai Peninsula. Subsequently, ISIS claimed responsibility and released a video clip that purportedly depicts the mid-air explosion that brought the plane down.
All 224 people on board were killed including 17 children. It was the worst “accident” in the history of Russian aviation. Bodies are reportedly scattered as far as 8 kilometers from the crash site. "We found a three-year-old girl eight kilometres from the scene" of the main wreckage, one official told AFP. The picture shown below, which depicts Darina, a 10-month old girl killed in the crash staring at planes before flying to Egypt, has gone viral.
Now, as Russia mourns, authorities are scrambling to determine exactly what happened and more than a few observers contend that ISIS couldn’t possibly have shot the plane down given the altitude. Nevertheless, some international airlines have diverted traffic over the region which has been the site of clashes between the Egyptian government and militants.
Adding to the mystery, the plane’s co-pilot allegedly voiced concerns about the condition of the aircraft prior to the flight and while officials insist that it would be extraordinarily difficult for a terrorist group to hit a plane flying at 31,000 feet, Prime Minister Sherif Ismail says there’s “no evidence that anything unusual was happening on the plane before it crashed.”
Here’s more from Bloomberg:
Prime Minister Sherif Ismail said in a televised news conference on Saturday that it would be premature to speculate on the cause of the crash before the data on recorders were analyzed.
Conflicting reports have emerged about whether the pilot, who was flying at an altitude of 31,000 feet, indicated a technical problem. While Civil Aviation Minister Hossam Kamal said the pilot hadn’t radioed an SOS call, the Dubai-based Al-Arabiya satellite channel reported he had sought permission to land at a nearby airport.
“It is technically difficult to target a plane at that level,” Ismail said. “We have no evidence that anything unusual was happening on the plane before it crashed.”
Islamic State’s statement doesn’t specify how the plane was downed and the local affiliate may have jumped the gun to take credit, Mokhtar Awad, an analyst at the Center for American Progress, a research institute in Washington, said by e-mail. Russian Transportation Minister Maxim Sokolov said on state television that reports of a terrorist missile aren’t credible.
Former Israeli national security adviser Yaakov Amidror, an army reserves general, concurred that it was unlikely an Islamist group shot down the aircraft. But “other scenarios also have to be considered, especially the possibility that the plane was sabotaged at the airport before taking off,” Amidror said.
Preliminary investigations indicate the plane went down due to a technical problem, the state-run Ahram Gate website said, citing Egyptian security officials. The plane had reached cruising altitude before crashing in the remote
Al Hassana area of central Sinai, about 50 kilometers (30 miles) south of Al-Arish. Egyptian security forces have been waging a fierce campaign in the area against militants who have pledged allegiance to Islamic State.
Other experts claim that the plane's movements just prior to the crash seem to rule out a terrorist attack.
In its final seconds Saturday, the Metrojet plane was bucking wildly, abruptly climbing and descending before communication was lost, according to FlightRadar24.com, which tracks flight routes. At times it dropped as fast as 6,000 feet per minute, only to reverse and climb even faster, repeating that pattern several times. At other times, it slowed dangerously. About 24 seconds before losing contact, it dropped to 71 miles per hour from 470 miles, according to the data. Jetliners such as the Airbus 321 can’t stay aloft at such a speed.
If the FlightRadar24 data are correct, “it probably rules out sabotage,” said Paul Hayes, director of air safety and insurance at Ascend Worldwide. “It’s probably some sort of control problem.”
As a refresher, here's a look at the flight path and data:
RT @flightradar24: Looping playback of #7K9268. Last data recorded at 04:13:22 UTC https://t.co/YGvJ7T0VMG pic.twitter.com/vkMDw93yzX
— Eric Lewis (@SubEWL) October 31, 2015
The aircraft was descending rapidly at about 6,000 (2,000 meters) feet per minute before the signal was lost to air traffic control.
Speed / Alt plotted on graph. Speed (purple) drops off before we lost contact at 04:13:10z #7K9268 pic.twitter.com/yhJSZ1Dclw
— Plane Finder (@planefinder) October 31, 2015
Raw data shows plane EI-ETJ had entered a steep descent. #7K9268 Download here https://t.co/Un19KvW1re pic.twitter.com/hlQ4X9URVL
— Plane Finder (@planefinder) October 31, 2015
And here's a bit more color from Sputnik:
Experts from Egypt, Russia, and France have started analyzing the flight data recorders of the Russian airliner which crashed Saturday in Egypt killing 224, Egyptian media report.
The airliner's flight recorders were discovered on Saturday night. The Russian transportation minister said they had no significant damages.
"There is minor technical damage. But there was no thermal impact as the Egyptian representatives say," Maksim Sokolov said.
A Kogalymavia/Metrojet Airbus A321 en route to St. Petersburg from the resort city of Sharm El-Sheikh with 217 passengers and seven crew on board, crashed in the Sinai Peninsula, leaving no survivors. The Sinai air crash became the deadliest air accident in the history of Russian aviation, surpassing the 1985 disaster in Uzbekistan, where 200 people died.
And so, even as the "experts" claim that i) ISIS couldn't have shot the plane down, and ii) that the data seem to "rule out" sabotage, one can't help but note that Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was brought down by a missile over Ukraine and furthermore, it's not clear why "some sort of control problem" isn't compatible with someone either hitting the aircraft with a projectile or else detonating an explosive on board. That is, when planes explode in mid-flight, it tends to lead to "control problems." Indeed, Russian officials have confirmed that the plane "broke apart in the air":
#BREAKING Russian plane 'broke apart in the air': Russian aviation official
— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) November 1, 2015
"It is too early to draw conclusions," MAK executive director Viktor Sorochenko says. "Disintegration of the fuselage took place in the air, and the fragments are scattered around a large area [about 20 square kilometers]", the official added.
Yes, it "broke apart", which would appear to suggest that it in fact exploded. And so even as it will probably never be possible to definitively say whether or not the video released on Saturday is real or fake, we would note once again that if the footage is authentic, someone on the ground knew exactly when to start filming.
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— ???? (@iq2015_bgd) October 31, 2015
In any event, we'll await the "official" word, although reports indicate that it could take weeks, or even months to determine exactly what happened here. That said, if there's even a shred of credible evidence to corroborate the video shown above, don't expect The Kremlin to wait around on the full report as IS in Sinai may soon find themselves shooting at other Russian jets in the skies above Egypt - only these jets will be shooting back.
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>>>> False Flag/foul play
>>>> legit accident
We need TRUMP Now...this arrogant ignorant leader and all who are pushing him around need to go...and now.
Tyler Durden: ISIS releases Video of Russian Airplane Explosion and Claims Responsibility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d-xbnuvr7c
Watch for an El Al civilian jet to blow up from russian retaliation.
If ISIS is in fact responsible, the response will be brutal.
Putin knows EVERYTHING, especially where these rats are hiding!
isis is the us, israel, turks, and saudis.
you likely know that, but its worth bearing in mind.
Pass the popcorn and stay tuned to see how Putin plays this out.
"Never let a crisis go to waste. " Obama's handler and bath house buddy.
"Never let a crisis go to waste. "
This is certainly frightening. I don't expect an engineered overreaction but it certainly isn't a comforting thought.
The picture of the child at the window, some things just tear at the heart.
"...other scenarios also have to be considered, especially the possibility that the plane was sabotaged at the airport before taking off,” Amidror said.
It's interesting and a little suspect that this comment was made by an Israeli - with ties to a group (Mossad) who are the undisputed masters of this kind of terrorism.
Is this proof that ISIS condom bombs work?
http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
Here is a car that did pretty much what that plane did....
Plane taken over remotely? Pilots fighting against the takeover?
Putin probably did it himself
just like he did with sacrificing those children to justify a war against Chechnya
exact same thing with this now with ISIL
Go away insensitive troll. Putin does not need to sacrifice children to gain domestic support to destroy ISIS. With an 85%+ of russians supporting him, he could declare himself supreme leader, but he does not. Are you Jealous because Putin loves Russia while Obama in his heart hates America?
and if not accident then Cui Bono?
ISIS bringing down the wrath of Putin?... don't think so.
Russian false flag?... hardly a need and not Putin's style.
Financial elites blaming ISIS?... They do need a cover event for the impending global financial implosion!
Israel blaming ISIS?... for ALL the usual reasons which see their position strengthened by weakening their neighbours and providing cover events for further territorial claims including Golan Heights: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/30/neo-are-the-zionists-fracking-hackers-in-the-golan-heights/
the comment about putin and chechnya upthread is not without some historical validity but the mood now is quite different in russia it would seem. more detail about domestic polling prior to the crash would help.
but the bucking and strange maneuvers reminds me of who sold the "anti-hijacking" devices to at least some of the planes supposedly involved in 9-11. oh you remember, that israeli rabbi who was the pentagon's controller and responsible for running down the missing trillions of dollars "lost" (shades of corzine) that were nonetheless announced as missing on 9-10-01.
http://www.rense.com/general75/latest.htm
http://www.rense.com/general74/911h.htm
http://rense.com/general62/murdre.htm
Putin is a fag. He brought on this disaster by meddling in the Middle East. Now he's stuck. He should just stay at home and play with his butt-buddy. Ass bandit.
The trolls are hot and heavy on this thread... I wonder if their IPs trace back to the DHS/NSA/CIA?
haha you actually believe that number? oh wow
and no, obama is an idiot and the usa can suck an egg
A Jeep? Probably hacked itself and died.
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nice! Condom away!!!! there she bloooowws!!!!
No. It's proof that whoever smelt it dealt it.
Any children on that plane over Ukraine? And how come we did not see a sotry or a picture about the dead children while blame was being shifted away from the guy who provided the equipment to bring it down?
so far the only blame the dutch have dished out has been to kiev for not routing civilian planes away from a war zone.
the criminal probe is yet to report, who knows if it will be right, but it may very well implicate the russian speaking rebels, or it may not.
Her passport was found intact, right next to her.
Obama bath house Reggie Love approved.
On a serious note, a very sad and bad incident.....that pic of the girl starring at planes is heartbreaking and tragic. As tragic as the US hospital bombing that killed those Afghan kids Or the Palestinian kids bombed by the state of Israel, or the Syrian kids killed in the Turkush/CIA sponsored gas attack.
I fcking hate these zio/neo/us puppet monsters.....getting there balls sucked in bathhouses by pedophiles while scheming their next rape of some country and its ppl, praying to their lucifer god. Peices of shit.
Go Putie.....go China....
Same goes for the tiny Medvedev and his reset button "tiny-boy" Putin.
"tiny-boy" could in all likelihood stuff you head-first into your laundry hamper with one hand
You poor insecure dummy... :(
you poor confused ass bandit
while i agree with the first half of your comment, imo there is way too much use of gay epithets to insult people here. i would rather see closer parsing of the actual comment.
such as: all you can come up with is tiny and boy? that's it? someone said something mean about your "friend" and all you've got is same at yours and they're smaller and younger?
ah, i don't know, maybe ass bandit does it better.
Not done with your quota yet¿
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I agree,
the comment still stands, especially that he knows where the rats are
Putin know's ISIS is just CIA/Massad. Putin knows that US/Israel took down a Russian airliner and are using ISIS as a cover for what was actually done by the US/Israel. Putin does not want to confront them for this. So, Putin and media friendly to Putin wants to paint this as just an accident that could not have been due to covert actions. What helps is that the US/Israel also want to public to think it was just an accident thus the msm will make it out to be an accident - but they know the message was received by Putin.
Now will Putin also abandon the areas of Syria that receive US boots on the ground? Will Putin allow the US to get established, build outposts and then keep expanding until all but the coast of Syria is theirs.
A master chess player would have expected these events and already have a plan to respond by moving forward or retreating backward. Putin is now in that position of doing one or the other.
(Sure, a control wire or hydraulics or electronics failed and that caused the plane to break apart in mid air)
amazing that you know this for sure - your mother's basement must have Star Trek-level technology.
This is how Putin deals with terrorists
https://youtu.be/E6fJlEfc4V4?t=1m13s
Your Mother's basement already has you.
Does she come down and visit you at midnight like she did when you were 14?
So twisted. When is a false flag not really a false flag? When your enemy's enemy are one and the same.
Putin has time to contemplate his next move. A 2nd such event would make your claims more convincing and if proven to be true, might be just the catalyst needed to turn public opinion against the evil world zionist empire.
hubris is the flaw. they think they are invulnerable since they got away with 9-11 and, essentially, everything since. but a critical mass of critics is forming. the information is so much harder to conceal nowadays.
Didn't start with 9/11. Kennedy's assasination, or likely earlier. Same people/institutions,
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if the Saudis had something to do with this one... still haven't gotten over Putin's interfering in Syria to avoid war after false flag chemical attack... this was also before ISIS had formally appeared.
Whatever you are smoking must be really powerful.
Russia will follow procedure and then confront the possible perpetrators with evidence. The movements of the plane in the last seconds before losing radar contact appear like desperate measures to avoid a guided missile. Evidence of that will be found in the flight data recorders and the fragments of the missile in the wreckage as well. Even if it were a US missile (unlikely, but not impossible), it will be blamed on Israel. Israel will likely deny it fired a guided missile, but won't matter any, once the US too agrees with that accusation.
There will be no military retaliation from Russia, only crippling sanctions from the UN against Israel. It is the end of Israel, but a strong case has to be made for the US abandoning Israel at the UNSC and Israel attacking a Russian civilian plane of tourists flying over a zone where no military craft are operating will be the strongest that can be made, especially if Russia a threatens a full scale military response if the UN doesn't sanction Israel. US will agree to sanction Israel to prevent Israel's destruction in a Russian military attack.
Your smoke is just as good if you think that Israel is going away anytime soon without multiple mushroom cloud going away presents for all their neighbers. And everybody knows that the US is never going to turn on Israel. Even I can see that through a Haze-based haze.
Since it seems to be WAG time mine is that the Rods of God crew are now shooting skeet.
Funny how after a decade of rattling their sabres about taking care of Iran if the US doesn't do it, they just shut up talking when the US finally signed the nuclear accord with Iran. For all their talk Israelis are chicken and wouldn't do anything that will come back to hurt them although very eager to go bombing everyone who cannot retaliate.
Israel cannot even think of attacking Russia without getting wiped out. Russia is a net-exporter of oil and doesn't care much if Israel dropped a few nukes on the Middle East countries before it is wiped out for good. Russia has no interests in the Middle East.
Sure, if the US had any choice in the matter. But if the choice for the US is between agreeing to sanction Israel through the UN and Russia bombing Israel (there is no way the US can stop Russia from doing it if Russia wants, especially after the US admits it was an Israeli missile that downed the Russian airliner), the US will choose the former because it is less harmful to Israel.
"There will be no military retaliation from Russia, only crippling sanctions from the UN against Israel...."
I guess smoking powerful stuff or living in an alternate universe is quite the rage.
Who is going to do such a "strong case"? One that causes the US not to veto anything even remotely distasteful to the jewish american electorate and the pro-zionist evangelical american electorate?
And this without even going into how to find the evidence of Israeli meddling, if that is even the case at all
the region is chockerblock full of cat's paws, remember?
The investigation into the attack on the Russian airliner. If the investigation concludes that the airliner was downed by an Israeli missile with evidence of the missile in the debris collected, is anyone in the West going to dismiss it as manufactured evidence? Or will they claim that Israel has the right to down civilian airliners passing through a neighbour's territory? Or that Russia has no right to retaliate against the murder of its citizens?
Russia can use a military option against Israel, if necessary or the UN sanctions route. What do you think the US will prefer?
the whole concept of finding "smoking gun" clear cut evidence against a sovereign is... ahistorical. in the sense of "happens nearly never this way, not in recorded history"
history is full of ambiguos evidence. again, "cat's paws" galore
The only one who should be convinced of the evidence is the one who suffered the losses, is willing to retaliate and capable of retaliating.
If Russia is convinced the evidence proves conclusively that it was an Israeli missile, that is enough, especially since they didn't begin with that as an assumption they intended to prove. Others have two choices, to agree with the conclusions and support their position or disagree with the conclusions and provide and prove an alternative explanation. Since there won't be any primary evidence to start with, the only alternate explanation they can offer is that Russia somehow framed Israel. Nice conspiracy theory but lacks motive completely.
So if the investigation concludes it was an Israeli missile, I doubt any government, apart from Israel, can openly disagree with that conclusion.
Putin knows EVERYTHING
Except that his foray into Syria might get Russian women and children killed. Of course no one could have seen this comming. Never happened before so they got that excuse. Well never happend to Russia before. Hows it feel?
So some punk ass little prick shows up in the whitehouse. Then this punk assed little prick declares himself the 'winner'.
Now Putin is a nasty sort. No doubt about it. The guy is a Thug.gov.
But at least he is on the ball.
If you're gunna be a pussy..at least pussy for a real playa'
putin doesn't know everything but he knew that and said so. one of the points he made in the very beginning, one of his justifications in fact, was that people from russian lands were with isis and he expected them to take their arms and training and turn them on russia, even taking it inside russia.
if he was counting on that being attempted, given that a plane was famously taken down in ukraine recently, he probably considered what happened a possiblilty. certainly will coalesce domestic opinion behind the syrian war though won't it?
p.s. your "how's it feel" is slimy, reprehensible and smarmily evil.
Putin has the goods on 9/11. That is his trump card when he decides to play it ..
He also has the goods on McCain ..
We know the truth about 9/11 because of Russian intelligence (GRU, FSB, et al)
If still too many are dumbed down about 9/11 even with irrefutable proof, then Putin can drive the price of oil to $10 / barrel. That is change you can believe in ..
Where the rats are hiding? I live in Shenandoah, TX. They work just down the street from me .. (Hughes Landing, and off I-45) ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/23/the-secret-isis-safe-havens-nobo...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/26/mike-harris-bp-exxonmobil-benefi...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQtxTnDusk
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=dov+zakheim&ie=UTF-...
Don't assume that Putin is as amoral as our leaders.
But watch the Golan very closely.
Its a valid target, and would hurt the ziocons much more, short and long term.
I can see the halo over that tiny murderous dictator from my house.
-SHP
Mary Jane here has a poster of Putin up on his wall shirtless and it's got dried white spooge all over it.
Unrequited love can be so torturous.
So can ridiculous comments like yours.
the heavy reliance on homoerotic, grade school imagery by the pro ISIS/ anti-Russian contingent reflects a lack of originality, intelligence, and a suppressed desire to bounce up and down on Russian cock.
http://www.4thmedia.org/2015/10/russia-destroys-the-greater-israel-dream/
Interesting link... thx
It is very likely that Israel can kiss the Golan Heights good bye. They are in effect occupying that land illegally and in defiance of UN resolutions.
They have also provided safe haven there for anti-Assad forces. The rebels attacked in Syrian controlled territory and when they were losing they would retreat to the Golan and have Israel protect them.
Assad might have been too weak to risk a confrontation with Israel even though Israel was the aggressor but Russia is not.
I am certain that Russia will not go into Israel itself but Golan Heights is Syrian territory and fair game for them and if Israel does attack the Russian forces then they will better place an order for new F16s because Russia will likely wipe out their current inventory. Few cruise missiles targeted at the airfields will do it really quick.
the law doesn't apply to Israel, or the US, though.
I don't think Russia wants to risk the trouble such moves would bring.
Indeed, they might simply concede the occupied portion, let the robber barons pocket their ill gotten gains...
http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/26/genies-and-genocide-syria-israel-russi...
{fuckin Cheney, huh? }
... with the quid pro quo being Israel can't act as IS' air force anymore, nor bomb Lebanon at will.
Israel gets to steal land, water, and oil while letting Russia kill a bunch of islamic nuts, and in a few years, can resume its typical dirty tricks to ethnically cleanse the rest of Palestine, reinvade Lebanon on some pretext or other, and maybe go into Sinai "to defend itself" from terror proxies the us and israel had erstwhile been happy to support.
just my guess, but your scenario is surely possible the more the US/Israel continue to arm and support terrorists against Assad and stir up trouble on Russia's borders.
People don't seem to appreciate that Putin has his own nationalists, and it won't take much for them to lose their collective shit. The guy is subject to criticism, of course, but he, and no one else has kept a lid on this thing for years now.
johnny Hors, i hope your guess is wrong. i hope the golan is once more syria's. i don't see how it's to russia's or syria's advantage to allow israel to retain what is not legally theirs...although that does return us to israel's right to exist.
Agree
But first things first.
Destroy ISIS and ALL rebels against Damascus. THEN do something about Israel in the Golan.
Putin has had a few one-to-one meetings with Netanyahu this year and I wouldn't be surprised to learn tha they have understandings with each other in the short and medium terms.
Putin also conscripted 150000 to the Russian Army a few weeks back. Something is going to happen. I thought Ukraine was going to get it, but now, who knows?
If those 150,000 were for the Ukraine, why wait 18 months to do it?
Look for Russian bootskis on the ground in Syria.
Downvoted for being too fucking lazy to google it yourself...
THEY DO IT EVERY FUCKING YEAR.
The two-year conscription term in force since 1967 continued unchanged after the Soviet Union dissolved until the mid-2000s. In 2006, the Russian government and Duma gradually reduced the term of service to 18 months for those who will be conscripted in 2007 and to one year from 2008 and to drop some legal excuses for non-conscription from the law (such as non-conscription of rural doctors and teachers, of men who have a child younger than 3 years, etc.) from 1 January 2008. Also full-time students graduated from civil university and having military education will be free from conscription from 1 January 2008.
they're invading Canada and no one will care since it's.. Canada
"Don't assume that Putin is as amoral as our leaders."
Given the restraint Putin shows in Donbass, your statement is valid! He sits quietly, for month after month and allows Minsk2 to carry forward, while Ukrainian Army and Fascist Battalions shell Donbass without mercy. It is more Off and On now than six months ago, but nevertheless, people die daily in Donbass cities and villages and Putin does nothing, says nothing. He even supports Donbass staying in Ukraine, despite the locals desire to get out. I call that restraint. And in this airliner case, the level of his restrain depends much on where the evidence leads us. If he can find a connection to US and Israeli secret services or their terrorist puppets, then he will act, but prudently and when the time is right.
I am going way out on a limb. I believe the odds are the Airbus experienced a combination of a bad design flaw, associated with the tail end and pressure bulkheads, combibed with very shoddy maintenance. Or, the other possibility is a small bomb in the vulnerable tail, right next to the pressure bulkhead. A tiny bit of C-4 could blow out that bulkhead and that would probably result in major tail damage. I guess it is 50 -50 either way.
Plus he never cut off gas to Ukraine or the EU although they asked for it.
And he never used his uber service to the ISS as a threat repay the sanctions,
I was thinking that the altitude profile was that of a doomed airliner with a hard jammed tail elevon.
Breakup due to aerodynamic stresses is my inclination with the evidence at hand...
Yet I am not an air accident investigator. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn...
Seriously it reads like Alaska Airlines Flight 261. That was my very first impression...
Here is that story...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7FmX0hr6c
The Israelis would be NUTZ to move drilling equipment there now.
The drilling equipment is already there. They have completed their first exploratory well, Ness 3 and have moved to a new pad and are drilling Ness 6. They are in the process of requesting production licenses.
Here's their crappy flash site: http://afekoil.co.il/en/#
This is part of a McMurdoch/Rothschild/Cheney enterprise. They are not NUTZ to drill there - what could they possibly fear? They thought nothing of killing a million Iraqis and ten thousand U.S. solders for the Blood-for-Oil pipeline. They only killed a quarter million Syrians so far - they're barely getting warmed up in the 'protection' department.
I meant to do it now
I was taught never to drill in a war zone or a potential war zone.
These days where can you drill?
Kardashistan
Which is a veritable ocean of sexually transmitted diseases.
And wind turbines were installed on the GH years ago, courtesy of an associate/partner of ENRON. They also did gas work as well. I will expound on this later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights_Wind_Farm
update:
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-three-golan-heights-wind-energy-proje...
Watch UPC Renewables.
You can change presidents or companies or even the name of a company but the people involved are the same. Years of diligent research prove that out and I stand by my comment. LJ
Have you ever read Common Sense by Thomas Paine? Govt. (by definition) is as evil as what again?
Even if Russia had any real quarrel with Israel, Israel has airport security that is more than just theatre, thanks to previous attempts by the Arab proxies of the genuinely anti-Semitic Soviet government (itself a proxy for Jew-hating western banksters) to harm Jews who engage in air travel.
Take it from someone with a little experience in, shall we say, unconventioal importing/exporting,,
that there a very many people out there with the skills to get a bomb on any airlines' plane.
None are impossible to get one aboard, some are just are a little harder than others.
The CIA has an annual budget of over $50 billion a year and money is an effective shoehorn for getting things in tight places.
Especially .22 caliber bullets between ears, or bombs in weird places.
"Jew-hating western banksters"
Uhhhhh, I've got some news for you.
Zionists can hate Jews too, ya know?
You are very right. Radical Zionists are known to attack other Jews in Israel for lack of zionism. And more importantly, the most dangerous and egregious Zionists in the world are the "Christian Zionists". Examples abound. Tony Blair UK, John McCain USA, the entire USA congress, Former Canadian PM Harper, David Cameron UK, Tony Abbot AUS. Get my point. Zionsim is a belief, not a religion. The god given superiority of Jews in this universe is what Zionism is, any person can be a zionist, all it requires is believe in the Old Testament. That book lays out what a Zionist is.
Over six million served...
Or so we're told.
yes but nial didn't say peacenik jew hating settlers, like the one that killed israel pm rabin, he said "Jew-hating western banksters" and that just ain't gonna fly.
Self-hating bankers....LOL!
Sure. They left an African(?) travel from Schipol to the US even though he had no passport and was mentally unstable. Israel would be overjoyed if another major terrorist attempt happened in the US.
Since the Airbus family of planes is so dependent on computer control, and given the odd behaviour reported that the plane would dive, then climb before losing control, its possible this was an Airbus specific malware perhaps similar to Stuxnet that crashed this plane.
Did Airbus use the Boeing 777 as a design example for its computer control just in case flying the A321 into buildings (or into the ground) ever became necessary?
Someone who knows more than me can comment as to whether Airbus uses SCADA for its flight control surfaces, or worse, a proprietary French version of SCADA that only Airbus (and the Deep State security apparatus) know anything about...
Remind me again where Stuxnet came from??
Computer controls running fly by wire avionics is a major leap forward in taking "flying" out of the cockpit. Honestly, that doesn't make me feel more secure. Just because any semi conductor computer chip that uses software code to program and run it, is totally vulnerable to being hacked. Only a "hard wired integrated circuit" in place of "software run computer chip" ensures an unhackable ride. I only think of this because when I trained in electronics in the Navy, we actually had many "integrated circuits in chip form". Un hackable, as they were hard wired to perform only a certain task. It harkens back to the days of analog circuits, but a more modern version where the entire circuit sits inside a chip. No software is needed to make it perform, thus no software solution can hack it. This of course makes each circuit limited to one function only.
Bunk. Just do what the chinese do: backdoor the circuit before shipping.
All circuits, whether running firmware or not, take a series of inputs and map them to outputs. One anamalous input combination -> backdoored hardware trace => evil output.
At least with software (or really, firmware) you can fix that after shipping. Not so much with hardware.
The backdoor in that case would need to be put into the circuit design (before it goes to mask stage), and it would need to provide the functionality to allow something else to communicate to it. This second bit is the killer, if an ASIC is designed for a particular task, then adding wifi hardware/ethernet ports and all the pinout needed for them radically changes the design.
In that case it is not really possible to put backdoors in chips, without having access to both the design team, and also enough hardware on there that allows someone else to communicate with them.
So engine management, it might have a custom 9 pin type port for a mechanic to communicate with it, and this only would work with something physically connected to it, but that's about the limit of it, no remote control at all.
"In that case it is not really possible to put backdoors in chips..."
I wouldn't say that... microcode updates can be done...
do what the chinese do: backdoor the circuit before shipping.
And the US would never do such a thing, no no no no no. /s
This is true. At the mask layer, one can program the memory. It is as simple as using a resistor to pull up memory cell to an on state, or pull it down to off (tie it to ground for a zero or of state).
In this way, you can force the chip to have a permanent memory, or in other words, it cannot deviate from its programming.
People that claim otherwise, do not know of what they speak.
Software is useful for making a computer chip run in accordance with the easily changeable software. But it is very possible to hardcode a chip, an the U.S. military does that all the time.
NSA has its own special fabs making chips that are hard coded.
Older Intel CPU chips were designed to operate in a a maintenance mode and recently it was discovered that it was possible to load a memory mapping register in such a way that the chip would start executing whatever was in the lower memory mapped into that register. Whatever software started executing there would run COMPLETELY invisible to the rest of the system (within the "maintenance" ring rather than the usual supervisor or user ring. This comes from the old onion like Multics design, which had many rings with the 0th ring being the supervisor).
Only the last few Intel design generations have fixed this "design error", supposedly.
What this means is that there a probably millions of computers out there that can be pwned using this exploit.
Note that "fly by wire" these days is almost PURE software, particularly on the Airbus. No real need to have a compromised ASIC or PLA in an actuator controller board when you can own the program the main CPU is running.
This is much closer to reality. The raw ADS-B data stream shows some data points which couldn't possibly be correct. The flight control system seems locked in autopilot, but the data it is transmitting (if correct) indicates a serious malfunction in the altimeter. First thing you'd do as a pilot if you get the plane wildy out of control is disengage autopilot.
Those two timestamped FL335/FL333 reports just a second after FL308 and then more back at FL309 seconds later are impossible. You simply can't climb 3000 feet in a second or two. It seems the system responded to the bad data by wildly changing the plane's pitch, causing a rapid deceleration, as reported by those sudden and dramatic drops in velocity indicating a near instantaneous stall.
I wonder why the Pilot/FO radioed for an alternate without Mayday or Pan Pan. Everything seems nominal until literally those horrendously bad data points causing the stall. Unable to disengage autopilot for some reason? An A321 just couldn't handle the forces involved in that kind of massive stall and would break up mid-air.
It's certainly a technical fault, but is it a deliberate software technical fault? It is possible considering the history of Stuxnet and others and the co-incidence of a Russian plane post MH17 ... especially considering the recent history of Russian intervention in the region.
It broke up in the air though...that's more than a "virus"
They have the best anti idiot equipment known to man on each plane. I flew el ai after my naked body hose down by a nice guy who kept saying it was for security purposes. naw, just kidding. but they do profile the fliers which is what i would do if it wasnt raycis in the us.
I have no idea what really happened, but for IS to claim responsibility and have no part in this event is sick beyond words. what kind of collateral would they hope to gain?
but then again, we are talking about a group that sees itself as the ulitimate blood and guts gang, so you never know.
a woman named lionel shriver wrote a novel called the new republic about a terrorist group that was really just one guy who called up newspapers, etc. and claimed responsibility for uncredited acts of terrorism (or accidents or ?). went on for years.
Here's a video making highandwired my Halloween bitch:
http://www.thepornster.net/mobile/
Kevin McDonald and Daivd Duke both said there is very little downside to Trump, sure he said he supports Israel but he is taking on the most important issue right now, immigration.
McDonald "our biggest problem is the media"
Donald is going to war with them too.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IXXpzPVVLKY/UiRjKoOknQI/AAAAAAAAAdo/k_MogA4ZIJ...
imo neither immigration nor the media is in the top two. the top two? endless war and the police state it fosters
and if that can be counted as one thing, then the largest control fraud in history aka the too big to fail banks with their owned fed and captured treasury.
Please don't be fooled by the MSM. I am enjoying the Trump circus as much as anyone, but if he was not a zionist pawn, we would not be seeing his face on the TV.
Before any principles, the jews love money first. And Trump has tons of it. Regardless how Zionists might hate him or not, they love to take his money and put his face on TV. They just think they'll do more for their guys and thus beat Trump.
Big mistake. Is not the air time that matters, is WHAT YOU DO WITH IT. And Trump knows how to squeeze the most bang out of that air time.
Russia’s ultimate lethal weaponhttp://thesaker.is/russias-ultimate-lethal-weapon/
Here we go......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/10/time-travel-is-no-l...
Russians fly to Egypt routinely without problem, Russians enter the Syrian conflict, Russian airline crashes?
A few family members of high ranking Russians on board. A gentle piece of persuasion to try get Putin to cease Syian activities.
Legit? We're getting lots of MSM Kool Aid drinkers, or .gov trolls here lately.
I came initially through links someone posted on the New York Times comments section. In hindsight, I was a little surprised they allowed it, given the comments I then read below the story.
I suspect that typically a site that is as relatively small as ZH {no offense or anything} wouldn't warrant "paid trolls" from the Dept of State or Israeli hasbara - but when one considers just how many, and 'who' reads the Times...
I'm sure links on Breitbart and other sites also contributed.
I'd bet there are few, if any paid trolls - most of the "trolls" are, frankly, not convincing anyone. Amateurs of average or below intelligence. imo.
Covering your tracks or just coming out of the closet, you be?
Yes, but which agency am I working for?
And how badly do you want to find out, bitch tits?
welcome back "incoherent gaynius." Your boo the Orange Queen didn't last very long in his resurrected body, and I suppose your thrice banned ass won't either.
huh?
Its just one of our regular trolls.They haven't quite synchronised hand over of the brain cell with their change of shift.
LOL
<<I came initially through links someone posted on the New York Times comments section. In hindsight, I was a little surprised they allowed it, given the comments I then read below the story.>>
hehe - and now here you are participating in the dreaded comments section. You make some good comments on this thread. I don't mean to scare you off, but I'm going to predict that if you stick around, within a year's time you'll find you have no reason to look at the NY Times again (outside of the odd link). Given the calibre of your comments here, I expect it will take far less than a year.
You're right to be skeptical of the paid trolls thing, but keep in mind 2 things:
1) The bigger MSM outlets don't need paid comment trolls, as their corporate owners and editors and their censorship policies already fulfill their propaganda purposes. It would be the smaller sites including the 'fringe' where paid trolls are most useful.
2) Influence is as important as audience reach. The issue isn't just numbers of readership, but who the audience is, that matters just as much. (I have no idea of audience levels of various sites - I assume most rankings and polls are about as useful as 'Neilson ratings'.)
When Breitbart or Drudge links articles, you'll often see swelling of the comments, with a common perspective. They're visitors, not trolls, and the common perspective happens because a large crowd comes in from the linking site. It's usually on the geopolitical articles rather than the financial ones, that these visitors turn up. However, Zero Hedge also attracts a number of trolls who are either paid or crazy - not as many as some claim, but to see what I mean have a browse of the 100% MSM cut&paste of commenters such as "newsoutlet/message", who are trying in the comments to get people to read propaganda from links they normally ignore.
This site does attract its share of trolls, not to be confused with a crowd of visitors with a common perspective. I'm agnostic as to whether the trolls are paid or crazy; not sure it matters, really. You'll know one of those when you get in the habit of simply downvoting them and scrolling past their long cut&paste comments without reading them, as soon as you see their username - that's when you've identified a troll.
(It can be fun reading the sarc in some of the replies to them, though. And those are useful for posterity, since alas, up- and down-votes are scrubbed after a short time.)
Welcome aboard.
Looks like a Lockerbie incident, with explosives somehow put on the jet prior to take off. But how can that be, Gaddafi is dead. Then again, the CIA is still around.
...and Mossad.
This thread got me looking at a few ISIS/Russian Videos and then it linked me to this video..... "9/11 video clips they would rather you not see..." Do not let 9/11 fade in your head...The Pentagon and SHanksville....listen to the reporters. LOL. This is REAL REPORTING.....the truth, before they could shut them up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA
Inconclusive.
Insufficient data.
No good?
Ok. Mossad did it.
Mossad always does it.
In all liklihood we will never know who did it.
But in the unlikely event that we do find out then it would be astounding if it was not Israel's doing.
But we will probably not know this for decades.
Broke apart in mid-air? Do we look like Idiots? Nope. IsraHell took revenge on Russia >> https://goo.gl/g86m4B
>>> Malfunction caused crash
>>> Obama takes it in ass
if it ain't Boeing-I ain't going
Its an 18 year old AirBust!!Plastic oxidizes, wires corrode
and computer motherboards give out at the soldering points
Anybody have a 25yr old 486 PC running-all day long?
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A superior military assists another countrys leadership with their internal civil war. The insurgents lack the technology to confront the superior military on a conventional battlefield. Insurgent then attacks the civilians of that military. No military in foreign lands no citizens getting bombed out of the air.
If Putin had not chosen to start Russia second war on Islam, the first being USSR war in Afghanistan where ISIS traces its real birth, no Russian airlines losing planes.
Am I the only seeing this. Because if this had been an American plane we would be hearing it was their fault for being in the Middle East.
Better check that ISIS birth certificate again, shitgums.
Ahhhh...
The conspiracy theorists and 9/11 "truthers" have raised their heads.
Don't you guys get sick of thinking EVERYTHING is a false flag/Jewish conspiracy?
How could Hanjour fly a 757 like that when ''he could not fly at all.''
Russ Wittenberg, a former fighter pilot who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam and who sat for 35 years in the cockpit for Pan Am and United says it was totally impossible for an amateur who couldn’t even fly a Cessna to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner. Plus the aerodynamics of it all: "The "Drag Rise" (shock waves) would rip the wings off the airplane well before reaching that speed!"
The govt story on 911 which was propagated by the media is a lie.
>>>>>>>Alciaduh
>>>>>>>Accident
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/11/shootdown-of-russian-plane-...
Even garden variety incidents around the family table are considered false flag/foul play by Zero Hedge.
What I find interesting is that it appears to be an accident (or bomb?) of some sort yet the propaganda piece by ISIS came out almost immediately. I think this might be what is termed a "Teachable Moment."
Some moron neg'd this comment? It is simple reasoning for simple minds yet someone takes offense. Chalk it up to public education.
How many planes like that shown in the video have gone down while burning? In other words, if that video is not of the plane that went down yesterday, then what plane crash does it show? How many prior burning/crashing jetliners were captured on video?
I was thinking the video is faked, it's of some other accident. Planes at 30,000 are really tiny, and you need a really good camera and someone skilled just to aim at and frame such a target. Video shows big explosion which leaves all kind of resude and evidence so gthey would already know ifit was an explosive and what type.
Not sure about the burning, does this one have any resemblance to the Air France Airbus that broke up between South America and Paris several years ago?
Pressure bombs are easy to make if you know your stuff. WasWas could have been coached by alciaduh, or the almossad.
An attempt on Hitler was made while he was flying back from the Russian Front in WW2. It failed. A General in the plot hastily flew to Berlin and got it back (disguised as wine) and dismantled it on a moving train.
Since the Western gov's created and fund ISIS - does this mean they just crashed a Russian plane?