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Infrared Satellite Reveals Heat Flash At Time Of Russian Airplane Disaster
Earlier today, we highlighted commentary from Russia’s Kogalymavia (the airline operating the ill-fated Airbus A321 which crashed in the Sinai Peninsula) where officials said human and technical factors weren’t responsible for the mid-air disaster which killed 224 people.
IS Sinai took credit for “destroying” the plane but it wasn’t immediately clear what the contention was in terms of just how the group went about sabotaging the flight. Subsequently, a series of analysts and commentators opined that there was simply no way the militants could have possessed the technology or the expertise to shoot down a plane flying at 31,000 feet, but as Kogalymavia put it, “a plane cannot simply disintegrate.”
In short, it seems as though something exploded, and while we can’t know for sure whether someone detonated on board or whether, as former NTSB investigator Alan Diehl told CNN, "final destruction" of the plane was the result of "aerodynamic forces or some other type of G-forces,” the circumstances are exceptionally suspicious especially given where the plane was flying and the current rather “tense” relationship between Moscow and Sunni extremists.
Now, the US has apparently ruled out the possibility that a projectile hit the plane but satellite imagery depicts a “heat flash” at the time of the crash which indicates “some kind of explosion on the aircraft itself, either a fuel tank or a bomb.” Here’s NBC:
While many have speculated that a missile may have struck a Russian commercial airliner that went down over Egypt's Sinai peninsula, U.S. officials are now saying satellite imagery doesn't back up that theory.
A senior defense official told NBC News late Monday that an American infrared satellite detected a heat flash at the same time and in the same vicinity over the Sinai where the Russian passenger plane crashed.
According to the official, U.S. intelligence analysts believe it could have been some kind of explosion on the aircraft itself, either a fuel tank or a bomb, but that there's no indication that a surface-to-air missile brought the plane down.
That same infrared satellite would have been able to track the heat trail of a missile from the ground.
"The speculation that this plane was brought down by a missile is off the table," the official said.
A second senior U.S. defense official also confirmed the surveillance satellite detected a "flash or explosion" in the air over the Sinai at the same time.
According to the official, "the plane disintegrated at a very high altitude," when, as the infrared satellite indicates, "there was an explosion of some kind."
That official also stressed "there is no evidence a missile of any kind brought down the plane."
We'd be remiss if we didn't note that the video released by ISIS which purports to depict the plane exploding in mid-air doesn't appear to show any kind of missile, but rather seems to suggest that someone on the ground knew the exact time when the aircraft was set to explode.
To be clear, there's always the possibility that this is a coincidence and that the explosion which brought down the plane wasn't terror related, but given the circumstances, you certainly can't blame anyone for suspecting the worst and as we noted earlier, the Sinai Peninsula is well within the range of Russia's warplanes flying from Latakia:
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And the BRICS are counting their UST for the dump.
RIPS
and it begins.. just in time for US/Canada strategery over russia.
U.S., Canada To Conduct Military Flights In RussiaWhen you dance with the bear, you don't stop until the bear wants you to stop.
A senior US official and NBC...
Seriously?
Sorry, CNBC is my preferred source of bullshit...
So they could see the heat flash there, but not over the Ukies with MH-17?
They must think our memories are as short as their penises.
+100
Exactly.
I won't believe anything until the DoD, WH, or Pentagram, posts an animated youtubes video rendition of exactly what they say happened and how Putin shot down his own passenger jet to blame it on ISIS. Then I'll sleep better at night. ;-)
There are some aerial pictures of the crash site out now. It's pretty clear the Airbus was in a flat spin when it hit the desert. The spin may have been so violent the tail broke off and the g-forces so large it would have kept the pilots from performing any effective actions.
https://www.rt.com/news/320448-plane-crash-sinai-exclusive/
The Russians are investigating this all wrong.
They need to wait two months until local villagers and militias have rummaged through the crash-site, and then do a forensic investigation while they get verbal abuse from bystanders waving guns.
The video the IS guys put out seems to show an explosion at the tail of the aircraft. If that was a missle fired from an IS MiG, that would seem to account for the video and the damage at the crash site (and also for the lack of evidence of a ground-based launch).
I'm not totally sold on that video yet, but some of the 'experts' trotted out to refute it have said some amazingly dumb things - one of them claiming that the plane in the video had engines on the tail instead of under the wings (clearly not true) and another claiming that the plane in the video is flying well under 33,000 feet (without saying why).
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-plane-reported-egypt-aft...
So as odd as it sounds, with the evidence that's out there right now, it seems to me like an IS MiG, 600 miles or so from home base in Aleppo, shooting an air-to-air missle at a Russian passenger jet is one of the leading contenders right now to explain what happened.
I'd hope they've found pieces of the empennage and are testing them for explosive residue and shrapnel.
Well hey if everyone would just nuke themselves we could get this whole charade over with a whole lot faster
"I don't know what WW III will be fought with, but WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones". Einstein
Yeah, but 'names' will never hurt me.
You obviously were never called a felcher?
you can clearly see that the pilot has his window rolled down and is pointing to an incoming missle. it even looks likehe tried to roll the window back up before the missle hit the plane. also you can see the effects of the spinning because everyone of the passengers was either in the tail or the nose of the plane.
this plane crash analysis is easier than i thought...
"the pilot has his window rolled down"
Apparently, That's the same technique the ones who supposedly crashed into WTC used to toss their passports out the window just before impact so they wouldn't get burned up in the fireball. The dude must have trained in Florida.
On closer examination you can see that the pilot is Robert Stack.
Are we sure this isn't just a case of maintenance being done by the lowest bidder?
http://dilbert.com/strip/1997-12-15
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http://dilbert.com/strip/1997-12-18
The plane suffered a tailstrike in 2001. The crash site is highly compatible with a structural failure associated to it. It is a shame but there has been two similar accifent in the past with fauklty reparations following a tailstrike.
One tiny problem with this theory. 2001 was 14 years ago.....during which time this aircraft underwent THOUSANDS of takeoff/pressurization/landing cycles. A faulty repair to a structurally-critical area would have manifested LONG before now.
In the two knwon previous accident, the reparation occured 7 and 22 years before ...
i could have happened again during this takeoff. This is one of the more likely explanations so far.
Sometimes you dont even feel the tailstrike, because its not severe (and because the runway is so bad). But it might do some small extra damage to the plane.
Very interesting information. I was not aware that some "soft" tailstrike could happen. If the reparation would have consisted of the addition of a new metal plate, a new tail strike could have remove it.
Very interesting information. I was not aware that some "soft" tailstrike could happen. If the reparation would have consisted of the addition of a new metal plate, a new tail strike could have remove it.
I won't beleive anything these fucks are selling until the World can read the #28pages
Putin has the goods on MH17.
Bad times a comin'.
Amazing coincidence all US satellites eyes blinked at critical moment overlooking MH17 incident.
So told Psaki with veracity unquestionable...
A flash something like this? Possibly sat based?
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MTHEL (THEL) - Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (Israeli-Weapons.com - Surplus Weapons)
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And with Eastern Ukraine being a War Zone in which The US had an active interest, you can be sure that many different satellites were positioned right overhead. It's perfectly obvious there has been a massive coverup wrt MH017. ATC transcripts never released (And a "disappearing" Spanish Controller), change of registered flight path to right over the Donbass, reduction of altitude by 2K Feet after already established at cruise altitude, perfectly round holes in the fuselage near the cockpit amongst other highly irregular matters.
You can be sure that The US has an accurate track of any missiles involved (Whether SAM or AAM) but it might, perhaps, not fit with the desired narrative?
It's a shame that the Dutch, who are generally very decent people went along (You expect it from Australia). They must have been leaned on very hard and, of course, unlike Germany, they did get their Gold back!
You can be sure that The US has an accurate track of any missiles involved (Whether SAM or AAM) but it might, perhaps, not fit with the desired narrative?
I think you give the USA too much credit. It has been recently announced (google+MSM) that usa.gov erased a very signfigant portion of the records of the Moon Landing. You know, the event that is widely accepted as the most important achevement of all of mankind -- and at the very least -- proved how superior 'muricans are over those red communists.
Yep, lets just reuse those old tapes for morning meeting conference calls ... same thing probably happened with the MH17 data.
"It has been recently announced (google+MSM) that usa.gov erased a very signfigant portion of the records of the Moon Landing."
Hmmm.... I wonder why they did that?
You mean, why did they make the announcement? Because I have little confidence any genuine tapes ever existed. Hollywood tapes? Sure.
Remember, it came from the same guys who brought us the lone-wolf Kennedy assasination, and the 19-guys-in-a-cave WTC demolition. Why the fuck WOULD I believe it? I did when I was a kid in elementary school and watched it live on TV. But I didn't read the Hedge back then.
"It has been recently announced (google+MSM) that usa.gov erased a very signfigant portion of the records of the Moon Landing."
Hmmm.... I wonder why they did that?
The Dutch are spineless pussies.
It is why their country is overrun by human trash from a bunch of 3rd world shit holes.
It is true that the Dutch tend to be "Progressive" Socialists. But that is because they sent all their Right-wing crazies to South Africa several generations ago??
They returned to the Netherlands when Apartheid ended, bringing their craziness with them. Since then the Netherlands has become yet another bought-and-paid-for US vassal state. Coincidence?
Probably means the USSA was not directly involved this time, so they don't mind sharing some data.
Perhaps helping their ISIS friends take credit for an explosion on board?
How about the Egyptians planted the bomb in order to get Russian support in the Sinai?
Russia and Egypt have a deal in which Russia will supply helicopters for the Mistrals that Saudi has bought from France on behalf of Egypt. So it is not very likely. The Anglo-Zionists? They will do anything to stop Russia expanding its influence.
Army Chief of Staff Mark Miley having a 'precious bodily fluids' moment (maniac alert!):
https://www.rt.com/usa/320572-general-milley-russia-threat/
There actually was thermal imaging by US satellites on MH17, however this info was never shared with Dutch/Aus/Malay MH17 investigators, at least not according to final MH17 report. Perhaps truth would destabilize geopolitical relationships too much, as Russia has thousands of registered companies in Netherlands and Putin's daugther is reportedly dating some Dutch guy. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/flight-mh17-vladimir-putins-daug...
So they could see the heat flash there,
Ok, so why did it take so long for this info to surface............?
Funny isn't it when MH-17 was downed they knew straight away the Russians did it. Now MSM is doing it's best to play the Russian incident down, and using any excuse except the obvious it was a bomb. Just watched the BBC news a.m they had an expert on from some UK Uni with a thick broad American accent (CIA op came straight to mind) to explain what could have happened, he kind of mentioned a bomb at the end out of the side of his mouth, it killed him to say it.
“some kind of explosion on the aircraft itself, either a fuel tank or a bomb.”
So it seems that THEY have determined that a shattered turbine engine was not in play. No mention of the composition of the metal shards that tore apart the tail area imbedded in the corpses.
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Another possible reason for an explosive decompression may be a faulty engine. If a turbine was destroyed, its torn-off blades could penetrate the wing and fuselage.
According to experts, the blades of the turbine "fly out with great speed and, moving in the same plane, cut the liner's wing and fuselage like an angle grinder disc," Kommersant reports. -
Ah, yes, the old center-fuel-trick-explosion trick again - guess it has been long enough since the last one so time is on their side.
Does the A3-whatever bus have a center fuel tank that is capable of mysterious at altitude explosions like the B 747 did?
I have never bought the fuel tank explosion theory. Why? The fuel tank even empty will be full of fuel vapour there would not be sufficient Oxygen to propagate ignition under normal circumstances.
Not to mention the pesky problem of over 200 eyewitness accounts across a wide geographical area noting a distinct missile/rocket plume/exhaust trail leading up to the point of impact. In one of the more amazing findings in the history of history, the FBI seems to have determined that all those people were 'unreliable' or didn't really see what they thought they saw.
The ability to bury a story .... with 200 eyewitnesses .... is scary .... connect my dots ?
9/11. Kennedy. tens of thousands of eyewitnesses, maybe millions. But I repeat myself.
I wonder if US "experts" have ruled out the "fuel crossover tank" as a possibility yet?
Must . . . Eliminate . . . missile possibility
cause everyone knows who they would get missiles from
I would have thought Treaudeau's son would have said this is a bad idea. Really a crazy idea. Good luck with those S-400s/500s and Su27/30/35s.
Re the link provided by HedgeAccordingly:
From the link my reading is that the US/Canada (per an agreement with Russia) will overfly Russia and take photo's and video. Russians will man the equipment to be sure what documentation is being gathered.
And for letting the US do this the Russians get to flyover - Germany. Just Germany not the US.
Brilliant just Brilliant.
If I read it wrong let me know.
I read it the same way, but I think it did say they overflew the US last year. I guess they are more interested in looking for something new that NATO has pointed at them than touring the new skidmarks in Baltimore and Ferguson.
This is the Open Sky Agreement. They do it regularily
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies
Even worse, the commies get to fly in US' God-given pure airspace. They probably spray fluoride everywhere when they do.
Don't you mean Stratego® by Milton Bradley?
My guess is Israel trying to blame it on the Egyptians, USS Liberty but with a Russian passengerliner.
IsraHell takes revenge on Russia >> https://goo.gl/g86m4B
Yet nothing on MH17?
Yeah, and nobody filming 17 from the ground, and no American sattelite conviniently over head, to catch the 'IR flash'?
How often does all these things converge over a wasteland like Sinai?
Big, meet the press' meeting tomorrow in Holland.
I'm assuming they have interviewed all the baggage handlers.. except the one that didn't show up for work and went home early.
but that is just a guess mind you.. I'm sure they are already on that...
More like a Micro Wave...
Laser?
Selfie?
Don't selfie me bro!
Too soon?
Not too soon as long as the traitor in chief twats a selfie in front on the multi layered IR image from the situation room.
TWA 800 blew up mysteriously at mid-fuselage.
You have no respect for The Memory Hole.
They blamed the center fuel tank. They claimed fumes and a short circuit caused it. Though I did not know that electrical lines of any kind were run through a center fuel tank. Some suspect the US Navy anti aircraft warfare training that a US Cruiser was engaged in right nearby may have played a role. Not the first time the USA has shot an airliner down during AA exercises. Once over the Medit. many years ago an air to air missle fired in exercise nailed an Airliner, would need to google it to know for sure the airline. In the 60's I think. Ukraine shot down a Russian Airliner during Anti Aircraft Missile exercises over the Black Sea. I think 2001 not long after 9/11. A BUK actually, shot down a Russian Airliner coming back to Russia from Middle East. Ukraine denied doing it, then it was proved they did it, so they denied any financial claims blaming Russia for flying airplanes. In the end, the USA backed Ukraine and nothing much happended.
I live with a sister of the most publicized victim of FLT 800. The way the FBI pushed around her family because they didn't buy the official story made the situation 10 times worse for them. Andy was the pride of the family and the fucking feds were total nazi assholes. I could go into more detail but not on the internet or even the phone.
Only the fully indoctrinated proles could benefit from more detail, Ralph. Some know from whence you speak, and those who don't will call you insane. You can't get past that- they don't wanna know. Try and be well.
Thanks. It was a shock for the family to discover that most FBI agents were nothing like Efrem Zimbalist Jr. from the old TV show. From the feds point of view, it was a PR nightmare. International media had picked up on the story of this particular passenger and here was the immediate family calling foul. They couldn't let that situation get out of control so they "handled it" in the usual manner and treated the family like they were being investigated for RICO violations. It wasn't a shock as far as I was concerned, my eyes were opened forever on 11/22/1963.
Jack Cashill and James Sanders wrote an excellent book on the TWA 800 crash and cover-up. I'm waiting for some of the involved Navy people, as they retire and find their pensions and medical benefits may be worthless, to begin disclosing more of what really happened.
Unlikely.
It's been many years since I've worked on aircraft fuel quantity systems, but the principles haven't changed. Fuel Quanity Probes are basically capacitor plates immersed into the jet fuel, and the fuel is considered as a dielectric.
The probes have very low voltage AC applied, and Capacitance is the resolved to tank volume. When a plane banks, some probes get "more" fuel and others "less" but overall the signal should not change much.
With regards to center fuel tank, that should be in the wing root area, not the rear of craft. Even tankers don't have fuel tanks in rear of craft.
Engineers have designed these fuel system to NOT spark.. it is an obsession obviously, considering the nature of the challenge. Somebody out there may know if they back fill with nitrogen now, I believe it is a requirement.
"With regards to center fuel tank, that should be in the wing root area, not the rear of craft. Even tankers don't have fuel tanks in rear of craft."
Actually, the KC-135 that's been in the USAF inventory since the late '50s has an aft upper body tank in addition to the wing tanks and the forward and aft body tanks. The aft body tank is behind the main gear and the aft upper deck tank is under the front of the verticle fin, so these tanks are "in the rear of the aircrft.". The aft body tank is large but the aft upper body tank is small. It's mostly for center of gravity control.
I was on a training flight once where one of our senior pilots was doing pattern work, touch and go stuff for proficiency requirements. She was a very experienced pilot and said the aircraft felt different. Turned out the gage for the aft upper deck tank was broken. It said the tank was empty when it was still full. This made for an aft cg which made the plane less stable.
"With regards to center fuel tank, that should be in the wing root area, not the rear of craft. Even tankers don't have fuel tanks in rear of craft."
It is not really in the aft area, that is where the boomer lies down in a KC135. I guess we mean different things by AFT. I was talking about the very rear of the aircraft where fuel can change a planes balance drastically.
In all of the discussions, it was the rear of the plane that was blown off. Perhaps it was just aft of the wings that blew off... I don't know.
I worked on KC135's s, and climbed into their "tanks" and don't know of any tanks near the rear vertical fin. I calibrated the very gages your pilot was talking about. (maybe that why they didn't work well ....Ha. No, I took it seriously.)
The rear of the plane necks down to a small area, where the boomer barely fits...hence he has to lie down.
If someone wants to look up the configuration of the Airbus that went down, I'm sure there would be no tanks near the rear of the craft, and most likely it is luggage storage. i'm not an expert on that craft. That is, this supposition is all predicated that it was the very rear of the craft that blew off.
I think WTC7 came down from impact damage and fire. I think the Pentagon was hit by American Airlines flight 77 with Barbara Olson and 63 other people on board, not by a missle.
But I have no doubt that TWA 800 was shot down, most likely by the US Navy. Way too many witnesses, radar evidence, physical evidence (yeah, they were training bomb dogs and that's why there's explosive residue everywhere), not to mention *missing* evidence that somehow disappeared from the storage site without any paper trail.
Yeh, believing is all you have, because without black boxes or engines or signs of one dead body, then believe is all you got schmo.
"FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5659/debunking-911-myths-penta...
And if you take a look at that link, you'll see plenty of pictures of plane debris, including engines, at the Pentagon.
the only appropriate response is nelson's HA-HA....popular fkn mechanics printed exactly what they were instructed to print and mr Killgoyshiemer was a tool to reinforce that fake ass story that nobody with half a brain believes.
Christopher Bollyn has written about the lack of any credibility of the Popular Mechanics articles on 911. See http://www.rense.com/general63/brutalpurgeofPMstaff.htm, http://www.bollyn.com/9-11-archive-2005#article_11883
Dude must have had Hulk-strength to hold the tail section of a Boeing 757 in his hand. Pretty amazing he personally found the black box too. What's kinda odd is that neither instance was recorded on photo or film. I would think some guy holding up a 20 foot tall tail section would have at least caught the eye of one of the zillion news cameras there. As for those uniform parts of the crew members...are those the ones made from Adamantium ZX-5000 fibers? You know, the stuff that will survive forces supposedly strong enough to turn a 100-ton metal airliner into molten slag, only to have the slag vaporize into nothingness a nano-second or two later? This dude should be buying lotto tickets, cuz he's 'touched' for sure!!
I remember seeing the picture of the forlorn engine sitting inside the Pentagon, and it fooled me for a while back when I still believed the US Deep State's lies.
The more I read about the incontrovertable facts and contradictions with the Zionazi narrative on 9/11, the clearer it gets on how extensive this false flag was.
For the Pentagon strike, the state of the LAWN around the Pentagon in the area where the huge 757 aircraft was supposed to have hit is a dead giveaway, a glaring tell into the fact that it was probably a MISSILE that impacted the auditor offices in that area of the Pentagram.
Google "Pentalawn 2000" for a biting satire on how pristine the lawn stayed in the area of the Pentagon supposedly struck on 9/11.
Perhaps a red, white, and blue firecracker!
Wow!! a single plane shown on American IR Spy Sat's??
And now IR images from Russian "massive troops" entering Ukraine.
No, IR images from MH-17.
No IR images of ISIS terrorist wandering in the desert (with no tree cover) inside Syria/Iraq/Turkey/US/Israel??
Wow...!! So sophisticated US spy satellites really is. It's seeing ONLY the images that western msm loves to make propaganda with...
The USA just proved beyond any doubt at all that Ukraine shot down MH-17! In any other case, America would have produced the evidence to convict the rebels or Putin.
So, to my mind, the MH-17 case is officially closed. Ukraine killed all those people, and the USA hides the proof to protect their puppets. Anyone care to argue this point with me?
My thoughts exactly, Jack.
The only purpose served by the US releasing this evidence now is to draw Russia into a wider conflict area.
It's the Brejzinski gambit being played again.
Even the usual NSA trolls are standing down on this point. I am so embarrassed to have a US passport right now.
Yes but, it might be dangerous to your health to hold a different passport hence american policy of forcing democracy around the world might get you killed.
Your going to be more than embarrassed soon...
Essentially I agree, but with a quibble.
It is most likely the Ukies who pulled the trigger, or perhaps even a Ukie jet of some sort, but - was it just the Ukies? Or was someone else pulling the strings externally?
I think almost certainly the MH17 take-down was directed from abroad using Ukie proxies - and this is perhaps why Russia hasn't been more forceful in directing their ire where it probably belongs.
"The USA just proved beyond any doubt at all that Ukraine shot down MH-17! In any other case, America would have produced the evidence to convict the rebels or Putin"
Jack, devil's advocate here. I also believe that ukronazis shot down MH-17 but don't you think that Russia should also have good quality pictures, not only Pentagon or NASA?
and so they are all pack of rats in the same maze...
Oof course they do. But without the blacj boxes and a proper investigation, its all but useless.
And now in this case, they take "off the table" any speculation that there was a missile (meaning that the satellite which would have detected the launch did not do so), but crucially the USA is now not silent. If the ISIS video is real, however, yesterday I saw a comment that the lighting ruled this out since the crash ocurred just after dawn, this indicates a priori knowledge of the event then this implicates the US as the instigators.
BUT what's up with the inference from the Tylers that it could have been shot down by a Russian jet which would make this a false flag carried out by the Russians in order to blame USIS with the aim of ratcheting things up a notch????
I'll argue that that the US told the Ukrainian army to fire the BUK missile, so they're not protecting their puppets.
They themselves are the evil mastermind behind the 'false flag' action against the separatists and Russia.
Did the Pentagon shoot itself in the foot with this?
So the US knows whether or not it was a missile (BUK) that brought down MH17. And if it was a BUK exactly from where it was fired. The silence of the Pentagon indicts and convicts it. Curious how their NATO allies don't give a fuck. I guess they didn't shoot themselves in the footyah really....two days later and they come up with surface telemetry to eliminate a missile but fucking get their heads around MH17 in bloody year....lying pieces of shit American propaganda.....better hope the bomb wasnt planted by a CIA operative.....
More and more it seems certain that an explosion brought down the Russian airliner. And ISIS has claimed responsibility. And ISIS was founded and funded by USA/Saudi Arabia/Israel/Turkey/Qatar/UK/France.
That gives Putin lots of targets.
81% Of Syrians Believe US Is To Blame For ISIS
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”
For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
Other ISIS members were trained near Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where US forces are based. After completing their training, they went to Syria and later Iraq
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
USA, Turkey and Israel Act As Air Force for ISIS
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...
I don't beg and plead very often, but please, plead, pleeeeasse start with those head chopping child molesting camel fucking Wahabbist in Riyadh!!
Saudi Arabia will be the best start for the strategic reason that energy prices will shoot up greatly benefiting Russia
Perhaps, but it seems as though Russia is planning to just side step the petrodollar altogether with bi-lateral agreements. Shed all foreign debt, trade with BRICs, and unfortunately they won't need to turn that shithole to glass. If China and other large creditors dumped en masse, U.S., SA and their client states are fucked. But then the ICBMs will REALLY kick off WWIII.
I'll just leave chess to the Russians
81% Of Syrians Believe US Is To Blame For ISIS
That may be JO, but approximately the same percentage of Murikans believe Putin is the reincarnation of Hitler and that Jesus will return soon, or that they'll be raptured before tshtf. It's funny, y'know? They believe in a book they've never actually read. Insane, actually. Just in case you take me for an atheist, I'm not. I just have very few fucks left to give.Inching ever closer to WWIII. Franz Ferdinand is loitering outside his car.
I hope Franz was not on that airbus, or any of the ones going forward that have "technical difficulties" and mysteriously disentigrate in mid-air.
Speakin' of Franz-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijk4j-r7qPA
No video?
Innocent people paying the price for all these geo-political drama for money and power..when will humanity come to sanity and understand that we are all from the same creator !!! Karma is something that no one can escape from, does'nt matter if its Obama or Putin or ISIS. My heart and prayers are with the innocent people who lost their lives, in MH370, MH17 and this one ! Namasthe
We are nothing to those in power. Expendable. If we die in an entertaining wa for them, so much the better.
That's the truth brother
Gotta come out and say it!...
Who in their right fucking minds believes that it was anything other than an "MH-17" revisit given what has transpired more than 18 months since that disaster which has broken every major international investigation criteria and rule by law ever written and agreed upon?...
The U.S. military illegally threatening the Russian military with it's assistance to the Syrian government a partner of more than 50 years that has seen more than 40,000 Russians with dual Syrian and Russian citizenship being forced to leave because of U.S. and NATO military bombings and the use of "proxy" terrorism since 2011?...
Sanctions on every Russian bank and oil company and it's interests through the freezing of assets and sanctions against the officers of those corporation(s)?...
The brutal overthrow of the Ukrainian government in February 2014?...
The use of Chechen rebels in the destruction of the Volgograd train station in December of 2013?...
The Georgian South Ossetian war in 2007 kick started by the U.S. with military and weapons training and support?...
The use of the Chechen rebels in the Belsan massacre in 2004?...
What are the odds of it being due to "mechanical failure of the aircraft/human error" over the Sinai Penisula while Russia is flying sorties "next door"?!!!
1000+
RE: 'Son of Captain Nemo..................."Gotta come out and say it!...
Who in their right fucking minds believes that it was anything other than an "MH-17" revisit..... "
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In A Nutshell, 'Son of Captain Nemo".... +1,000,000 I say.
I logged-in just to give you the plus votes you deserve with your 'observation'. Most likely the yid-yank-dual citizen mafiosa-friends of PNAC are behind this. HANDS DOWN a black-op with Nuttyahoo-joos both stateside & israhell.
These bastards stop at nothing; Remember the USS Liberty!!! Same scenerio, "By Way of Deception"; RedShield financed Mooosssaaadd Motto.
BTW Best of the Morning to You here from Sweden Cheers X-
Most likely the yid-yank-dual citizen mafiosa-friends of PNAC are behind this. HANDS DOWN a black-op with Nuttyahoo-joos both stateside & israhell.
Xus
Speaking as a disgraced American
Between the likes of Viktor Orban and Susanne Winter as politicians in Europe who see it for what it is and aren't afraid anymore to speak their minds for fear of retribution from the usual suspects because they have no future with the "status quo" a new path will be taken by Europe.
Americans are too far removed from reality and if they sincerely wanted a better future for themselves they would have shut the U.S. Congress and President down after the revelations came out on Iraq in 2004 along with the "9/11 Commission Report"...
Western Europe and Europeans are all that is left to shut the Anglo-American problem down for GOOD!
ISIS types are not limited to a certain area of Syria
Their ideology is fundamental ISLAM
Muhammad they're prophet used the same terror tactics these folks use
Numerous Koran scriptures back this up.
If Islam goes fundamental, and many of us suspect it will
We are screwed
It is vain to think that Russia can wipe it out
Why did you guys downvote DSTY?
Their ideology is fundamental ISLAM
This is an absolutely true statement. As I've posted here on ZH before, the principle of supercession cannot be ignored.
Supercession means what comes later supercedes that which came before. What comes later overturns previous doctrine.
In Christianity, the New Testament supercedes old testament. The old becomes defunct and overturned by the new.
In Islam, the two phases are largely Meccan and Post Medina. While Mohammed was in Mecca, his teachings were relative peaceful. The Jews of that era used to tease him that he sounded like Jesus.
(Mecca was an entrepot city on East/West Caravan routes, and Jews of that era were taking rents on the exchange rates between Silver and Gold. Our Jewish friends haven't changed their stripes much in intervening centuries. This rent seeking is one large reason why Islam is hostile to Judaism.)
Medina phase is after Mecca, and there is no honest observer that can say post Medina is peaceful.
The HEAD CHOPPERS ARE DOCTRINALY CORRECT.
This means that there is no fixing Islam. There can only be separation, and encouragement of more peaceful adherents to hold sway. Suffi's and Shias CHOOSE the peaceful parts to follow. However, they are considered apostates to Wahabbis, and Wahabbis have a legitimate claim based on supersession.
One must deal with this truth.
We have three psychopathic religions in our midst. Old Testament (mildy psycho), Islam Post Medina, and Talmudic.
It is also no coincidence that these religions emanate from highly neanderthalic Semite populations.
See below .pdf for a summary of Bradley's work. Bradley is an honest Jew who is an extremely brave anthropologist, and should be applauded.
http://www.michaelbradley.info/tjv/appendix4.pdf
ISIS is the monkey, Zionism is the organ grinder.
you forget a few things, in this. Muslims, for example
there is roughly one billion of them. and you could divide them into Meccan and Post Medinian, and even extreme Post Medinian
yes, you do it, here, but then you depict them as if they were either irrelevant or Wahabis, where this particular group is very small. influential, but small
but you also forget Christians. again, roughly one billion of them. and you could divide them too from very peaceful to extreme fundamentalist and aggressive
none of the three monotheistic religions is as such psychopathic. all three can be exploited by warmongers
and that is the thing: warmongers are willing to exploit anything for their goals
"none of the three monotheistic religions is as such psychopathic. all three can be exploited by warmongers"
Ahhh here it is. Trust a euro-progressive to try to downplay the violence of Islam.
You should look into the life of Mohamed some. Here is a little snippet, just for you.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/History.htm
"Although the Qurayza surrendered peacefully to the Muslims, Muhammad determined to have every man of the tribe executed, along with every boy that had reached the initial stages of puberty (between the ages of 12 and 14). He ordered a ditch dug outside of the town and had the victims brought to him in several groups. Each person would be forced to kneel, and their head would be cut off and then dumped along with the body into the trench.
Between 700 and 900 men and boys were slaughtered by the Muslims after their surrender.
The surviving children of the men became slaves of the Muslims, and their widows became sex slaves. This included the Jewish girl, Rayhana, who became one of Muhammad's personal concubines the very night that her husband was killed. The prophet of Islam apparently "enjoyed her pleasures" (ie. raped her) even as the very execution of her people was taking place."
There is quite a bit more of this psychopathic behavior in Mohamed's history. There really is no comparison with Christianity. If you like we can go there as well.
Grimaldus
DSTY, have you read this yet???
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935071556?keywords=islamic%20antichris...
Sure feeds the idea of Islam going ballistic in growth numbers.
I'm confused on a number of points, but am pretty sure the 6th seal opened up this September. So I'm expecting a 'great earthquake' soon.
Beware the Lamb
Thuggee !!!
Are there any credible witnesses that this event actually happened? By credible, I mean non-governmental, non-MSM.
Off topic - updated Nov 1.
Old 1970s era Soviet anti-tank missile in Yemen popping off a Saudi M1 Abrams made by General Dynamics aka Crown/Krinsky family aka associates of Meyer lansky, LBJ and Obola.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJwkGy6EOj8&feature=youtu.be
Poor Saudis are suckers.
Freddie. If, during the Iraq occupation the rebels there had had even old Soviet ATGM missiles, I suggest that America would have suffered extraordinary casualties! Tanks and inferior armored vechicles would have been going up like roman candles all across Iraq. Russia refrained from letting any ATGM's leak into Iraq, and look how the USA pays Russia back for that retraint!
It's in the nature of imperialists to not change their spots/stripes.
To them, their Destiny is Manifest.
Think of how bogged down the US would have become. Think of the effect on the support for the war.
Iraq was susposed to be Russia's allie.
It smells bad. Or Russia's leaders are just that stupid that they helped make it easier for the US. You know like Russia helped force Iraq to give up important weapons (such as chemical), consented to the sanctions on Iraq that starved 500,000 young children, agree to the no-fly zone over Libya, agreed to the sanctions and naval blockade of Yemen, forced Syria to give up it's chemical weapons, refuse to deliver the S300 systems to Syria and Iran. Lots of things just do not add up with the storyline.
Yeltsin's watch. Things are different now.
NRO and DoD agencies have IR Sats that can pick up heat plumes from in-flight, non-after-burning turbines and track them. What they know and what they reveal are two different things. An explosion happened in flight. What was the source? My money is on a BOMB..... I hope Putin takes off the gloves and swats these insects.
It was a satellite laser weapon being tested by NATO; it works just fine.
Is X37-B in orbit?
repost:
Drone Shot Down With Laser Beam 2013 HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2yuHMDDA68
?MTHEL (THEL) - Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser? (Israeli-Weapons.com - Surplus Weapons)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ
?Nautilus Tactical High Energy Laser THEL?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7etTYuXDb0g
?Airborne Laser ABL Executive Update 2008 Boeing 747 YAL-1?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-dEXaSJWME
Of course it wasn't a shoulder fired surface to air missile transferred to ISIS through Benghazi! Why would anyone think that?
MANPADs have limited ceiling. They can't reach cruise altitude of a modern jet airliner. That is why Rebels in Donbass could not hit MH-17, only the Ukrainian BUK installations, all five of them in range that day, could have.
The range is 27k ft for a Stinger. Not too much of a stretch to take it above 30k ft if fired right under the plane. A passenger plane is travelling far slower than a military jet in a straight line with outboard engines that aren't trying to hide their heat signature.
The 27k ft range is based on what the military states publicly. Do you really think the US military would create a surface to air missile system that can't hit a target flying at the cruising altitude of a civilian jet? The Stinger flies at Mach2.5. That missile can make up distance very quickly vs a jet flying just over 400mph.
If I was designing a weapon to take down a plane, my first objective would be to exceed the cruising altitude of most passenger jets.
If we did drop some Stinger missiles for ISIS to shoot down Russian warplanes, don't you think one of the guys would try to shoot down a plane for practice? All the guy knows is to point the launcher at a plane, wait for the tone, and pull the trigger. I don't think he cares about stated range and ceiling limits. Perhaps he just got lucky.
Someone was filming the shot. You don't film a plane waiting for a bomb to explode. You film a plane you just shot at.
Protip: MANPADS includes the concept of "Man portable". Man portable imposes certainly limits of both propulsion and warhead. Rethink your assumptions and come back when you make sense.
If you have placed an altitude sensitive bomb on a plane and have a good idea of when that bomb will detonate and blow that plane out of the sky you do indeed have a good reason to be filming said plane when it reaches the 'rendezvous' point.
Mobile phone triggered? Text BOOM to 1234567890?
Veteran's Today has a story on this:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/02/exclusive-breaking-story-bombing...
It was a bomb for sure. Everything adds up. We saw the footage,we saw ISIS take credit, we see the US adamant that it wasn't a missile...because you know then it would have been their fault, we see the Egyptians telling everyone it could't possibly be ground crew because they have perfect security and they er aint at fault either.
All I know is that somebody is going to be gettin a real hurtin soon.
Sad truth (and many above have alluded to this in other comments) but I no longer believe any communication that has any connection with the federal goobermint of the USSA. Complete bullshit from every department, every agency and every single spokesperson. And a corrupt media just amplifies "the approved narrative" with pure propoganda filling the airwaves 24/7/365. Its all bullshit and we are fucked.
It's a great shock to finally realize the truth of that statement. For half a century I've attributed such beliefs to the mentally ill and conspiracy theorists. To realize the proven level of lying we're subjected to is a shock to the system. It also proves that sheeple type people CAN be enlightened by the dedication of the truth-tellers here. Keep it up, It's working.
I dont trust the government. Mine or any other. Near 50 now, aint seen no reason to yet. Call me jaded.
The fuel on board went somewhere. Sometimes on impact the fuel tanks can rupture and a large cloud of fuel vapors form which ignites and extinguishes itself quickly with little burn damage to the wreckage. Whether or not this is what the spy satellite saw I don't have a clue. The pictures of the separated tail section did not appear to have any fire damage or smoke streaking.
Structural failure, air to air missile or bomb at that altitude, 36,000ft is like, really really high man.
Like totally.
Metrojet hmmm, time to check out who was on the flight boppers.
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Took a little digging and could be a dead end but here it is...
http://www.atorus.ru/new/33181.html
Israel and Saudi did it
According to NYT, this Airbus was owned by Dutch company called AerCap and leased to Russia/Metrojet. Coincidence, or retaliation for MH17? Also, who were on flight manifest?
From article below: "Airbus declined to comment, citing the investigation. A spokeswoman for AerCap, the Netherlands-based company that owned the aircraft and had leased it to Metrojet, did not return calls."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/world/europe/sinai-peninsula-russian-p...
See here and here.
According to the Russians, the countries involved in the investigation are Egypt (territory), Russia (airliner company, passengers), Ukraine (passengers), Belarus (passengers), France (aircraft maker), Ireland (aircraft owner), Turkey, Israel, Cyrpus (neighboring countries wrt flight line).
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
Well, for those that can comprehend, Dr. Preston James just posted this at VT:
I'm a subscriber to Willie's Hat Trick Letter. I don't agree with Willie on all accounts, especially his take on Tianjin. I think I have better sources than he here. However, what Willie says about Dr. James in his Oct. letter: