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Russian Plane Disintegrated Due To "Mechanical Impact" Airline Claims, Hinting At Bomb Explosion
On Sunday, officials confirmed that the Russian passenger jet which crashed in the Sinai Peninsula killing all 224 people on board “broke apart in the air.” Although we cannot of course be sure, that does seem to suggest that the plane exploded.
Obviously, getting to the bottom of what happened to the Airbus A321 as it was flying to St. Petersburg from Egypt has serious geopolitical consequences. As we noted yesterday, if there’s any evidence to corroborate the notion that the aircraft was “destroyed” by IS Sinai, then militants in Egypt will soon find themselves shooting at other Russian jets - only these jets will be shooting back.
On Monday, Kogalymavia (the airline operating the flight) is out insisting that neither pilot error or a problem with the plane itself could possibly have been responsible for the “accident.” The only explanation, according to the airline, is a “mechanical impact on the plane.” Here’s WSJ:
Russia’s Kogalymavia said human and technical factors weren’t responsible for the crash, which killed all 224 people on board.
The Airbus A321 was flying to St. Petersburg, Russia, from the Egyptian resort of Sharm El Sheikh in Sinai, a popular destination for Russian tourists.
After climbing gradually to more than 33,000 feet, the jet dropped some 6,000 feet in about 22 seconds, according to preliminary radar data posted Saturday by a commercial website. In roughly 60 seconds, the data show the plane’s speed dropping to about 100 miles an hour, slower than the forward speed needed to continue safe flight. According to the data, which hasn’t been confirmed by investigators, the plane had been cruising at roughly 460 miles an hour.
(debris was scattered in an 8 kilometer radius)
Here’s more color from Sputnik who notes that any concerns about the condition of the plane (as allegedly voiced by the co-pilot prior to the flight) were unfounded:
The crashed Russian airliner had passed all necessary tests when entering the Kogalymavia fleet; and the technical condition of the plane was good, the company's top manager said Monday. The aircraft's engines were inspected in Moscow on October 26; no problems were found. Moreover, there were no problems with the quality of fuel used by the Russian airliner.
"In regard to fatigued cracks it should be noted that work on its assessment of metal fatigue on airliners is done every five years. We also conducted such work very carefully on this plane and that was in March 2014," Kogalymavia flight director Alexander Smirnov said during a press conference in Moscow.
The tail part of the Airbus A321 plane had sustained damages in 2001, the airliner was fully repaired. The technical condition of the plane was normal, Kogalymavia officials said.
Meanwhile, Bloomberg examines the possibility that an explosive device was smuggled onto the jet:
While the Islamic State’s Sinai affiliate claimed responsibility for shooting the plane down, Egyptian and Russian officials said those claims weren’t credible. Only the most sophisticated ground-based missiles can reach 31,000 feet (9,450 meters), the cruising altitude at which the Metrojet encountered problems and began to fall.
That doesn’t rule out a bomb like the one that detonated aboard Pan Am Flight 103 as it was carrying holiday travelers from London to New York on Dec. 21, 1988. A small explosive device smuggled aboard in checked luggage blew out the side of the Boeing Co. 747 and it came apart over Scotland, according to the U.K.’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch report.
So far, neither Egyptian nor Russian officials have said there’s any evidence of a bomb. Explosive devices cause telltale pitting on nearby metal and also leave chemical residue, according to the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board, so an examination of the wreckage should tell investigators whether or not that was the cause.
One area investigators will pay close attention is damage to the Metrojet A321 when its tail struck the runway while landing in Cairo in 2001. The plane was repaired and returned to service, according to Ascend Worldwide Ltd., a London-based company that gathers data for insurers.
There have been at least two similar accidents caused by improper repairs after tail damage.
But Russia’s aviation watchdog, Rosaviatsia, says it's premature to come to any conclusions:
"It is completely premature to speak about the reasons of this as there are not grounds. And I’d like to call on the aviation community to refrain from any premature conclusions."
And here’s the company explaining that a modern passenger plane doesn’t simply “disintegrate” in mid-air.
"Before the A321 began falling, it most likely had received considerable damage to its construction that would not allow it to fly. Obviously, due to this, when the catastrophic situation started to unfold, the crew completely lost control over the plane, which would explain why there were no attempts to communicate and report on the emergency situation on board," the airlines’ deputy general director of technical and production issues, Andrei Averianov, said at a press conference in Moscow.
External forces are the only possible reason of the deadly crash, Kogalymavia officials said Monday. Kogalymavia 7K9268 flight likely suffered substantial damages when it started to fall, officials said.
"A plane cannot break up in the air due to some sort of [system] failure. If we exclude any type of fantastic version, then theoretically a plane may break up because of large overloads. The Airbus 320 aircraft is a very reliable plane and has so-called protection in its control, which does not allow for the plane to become overloaded even if there is an error in piloting techniques. The only feasible explanation to the reason for the plane breaking up in mid-air would be a particular action, a mechanical or physical action on the aircraft. I’m not authorized to make any sort of conclusions, but a plane cannot simply disintegrate."
Right. Or, as we put it on Sunday, even as the "experts" claim that i) ISIS couldn't have shot the plane down, and ii) that the data seem to "rule out" sabotage, one can't help but note that Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was brought down by a missile over Ukraine and furthermore, it's not clear why "some sort of control problem" isn't compatible with someone either hitting the aircraft with a projectile or else detonating an explosive on board. That is, when planes explode in mid-flight, it tends to lead to "control problems."
Still, offcials are hesitant to suggest that terrorism is indeed responsible. Here's a rather vague explanation of what might have happened from Former NTSB investigator Alan Diehl who spoke to CNN:
Former NTSB investigator Alan Diehl told CNN he believes the "final destruction" of the plane could have been from "aerodynamic forces or some other type of G-forces."
And here's a bit more regarding reports that the co-pilot had reservations about the plane's condition:
The ex-wife of the plane's copilot, Sergei Trukhachev, said over the weekend that he had told his daughter he was concerned about the condition of the plane. "Our daughter had a telephone chat with him just before the flight," Natalya Trukhacheva told Russia's state-run NTV. "He complained before the flight that one could wish for better technical condition of the plane."
But a Kogalymavia said such reports were irresponsible and that there was no record of the pilot or crew making any complaints.
Executive Smirnov said that he had personally flown the plane in recent months and that it was "pristine."
The A321-200 was built in 1997, and Kogalymavia, which is also known as Metrojet, had been operating it since 2012, Airbus said in a statement. The aircraft had clocked up around 56,000 flight hours over the course of nearly 21,000 flights, the plane maker said.
So draw your own conclusions, but what does seem clear is that the plane did indeed explode which, unless you believe IS Sinai shot down a jet cruising at 31,000 feet, suggests that some manner of bomb was detonated on board. It's either that, or you go with Alan Diehl's "aerodynamic forces or some other type of G-forces," explanation.
Whatever the case, at least 130 bodies left Egypt on Sunday evening bound for St. Petersburg.
Remember, the Sinai Peninsula is well within the range of Russia's warplanes flying from Latakia:
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Will be interesting to see what kind of weapon brought this down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIM-92_Stinger
We Mechanically Impacted some Folks!
wait, can someone make this statement clear-er please:
" Whatever the case, at least 130 bodies left Egypt on Sunday evening bound for St. Petersburg.
Remember, the Sinai Peninsula is well within the range of Russia's warplanes flying from Latakia:"
are we saying...nevermind.
GWB's second term ended horribly, Is Oilbama on the same trajectory and get us into MORE Shit ???
Thanks for noting GWB and Obama.....are the same damn thing.
Progressive Republican vs progressive Democrat......same damn thing.
Do we have radar confirmation that Saudi, or perhaps even US fighter aircraft weren't in operation in the vicinity at the time?
This so looks like a "fumes in the fuel tank" incident.
Very sad about Joe Don Baker...
They probably let some guy get on with a half a bottle of water he didn't buy for $5
...Way way way to coincidental of Russian bombing Syrian rebels... then Syrian rebels or their allies bombing a Russian plane.
That "mechanical impact" sounds like CIA planted bomb.
Surely they have analysed the blackbox flight recordings by now. Why the silence and delay on this CRITICAL evidence? Is Sharm Al Sheik airport security to be implicated?
Did not pass the smell test from the start
Prolly hit a Black Swan in migration.
Thank you for brining that up...I didn't want to appear "troll" to suggest that Oilbama (good one btw) shot it down with USA equipment or proxy equipment....after all, he's been trying so hard to start WWIII.
Awww. You got downvoted by Dubbya's cadre of ever-loyal bootlickers. How adorable!
Or were they Obama's...? It is so very hard to differentiate at this time.
Alas, that brings us back to your original point! ;)
Two gay communists
GWB's 2nd term ended horribly, with the election of Obama.
Russia will be putting the 'shake' into Sharm el Sheikh soon.
By the way, could we get an update on the battle for Aleppo, which is what was really going on this weekend? It looks like the Russian figher pilots are fighting like they are pissed. Bibi keeps doubling down. The Saudis out with their checkbook, sending "messages." If it's existential for Russia then it will be existential for the Saudis too.
I do not think that means what they think it means.
The secret FBI death squad apparently has no interenational boundaries when it comes to killing the enemies of Lord High Executioner Obama.
Since this incident happened the MSM has been on a MISSION to paint this as a "mechanical problem" and "definitely not terrorism" or "definitely not....<whatever bad thing you think it is>."
Forget whether they're going to apologize or even explain how they got it wrong. I doubt they're even going to change their narrative. Just wondering how they could have known it was a "mechanical problem" with such certainty given that nobody knew the cause yet when they reported it.
Aircraft. The CIA's preferred weapon of choice.
Or the Mossad's!
ISIS have a rep for headlopping.
Mossad and the CIA are renowned for bombing.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that ISIS are the least likely of the above to be found at Sharm (Egypt ain't their turf) planting explosives. It's amazing the shite the MSM serve up to braindead masses at the behest of their controllers. And get away with it. We are so truly fucked.
Someone made a comment to me the other day: ISIS=mossad/cia
What's the difference if we call them isis or CIAeda
Teamwork:
Story: expl device with some MANPAD-style chemical markers deliberately mixed in.
Cover Story: Ersatz photo from goound after deton, "proof" of IS shootdown.
Airbus. Probably a software error.
Bad Day at the Glue Factory.
http://www.lemauricien.com/article/airbus-versus-boeing-composite-materi...
Here I was expecting an article about John "cohen" Kerry. AKA horseface
somwthing something steel beams
Who was on board? That is often a good indication of why, if not how, a plane goes down.
So far all I've seen is a disproportionate number of women and children.
Not at all disproportionate for a typical European seaside package holiday maker flight. Which is what this appears to be.
We all have a pretty good idea what brought this down, but it is counter-productive to speculate and the airline chief should have held his tongue pending proper investigation.
Russian EMERCOM released the list of passengers yesterday, there were no public figures on board that plane.
If there had been I doubt they would have said so.
The list is available on EMERCOM site: google translated link, so you can verify it by yourself, there's absolutely no mystery behind it.
Russia/Putin and RT have also seemed to be on a mission to paint this as an accident. That has been my impression. As if Putin does not want to address that the US/Israel just took down one of his planes. The airline executive may have acted independently to get this information out there.
It is more likely that the CIA/Massad people coordinated this effort themselves with the intention to use their proxy ISIS as a cover. And since Putin knows that ISIS is run by the US/Israel with help from SA the message is clear.
Now will Putin continue to put forth a storyline that it was an accident, or inconclusive, or will he act.
Acting would be shooting down an Israeli warplane that trespasses into Syrian airspace.
He very well may do that, but not yet awhile in my view. He is not yet ready to do that, but he will be.
+1000, that is the "tip off"
shorts running to airline stocks like the lemming trolls they are.
" Since this incident happened the MSM has been on a MISSION to paint this as a "mechanical problem" and "definitely not terrorism"
Good point. In America, if we want the official Washington DC government approved story, we go to MSM like CNN, FOX, MSNBC. They have more CIA in the editorial room than Moscow Embassy has.
I watch CNN to guage the official line Washington wants us to believe. So YES, they are trying to downplay the type of attack the American backed Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, or the ISIS gang.
Same sort of immediate certainty that followed the Ukrainian jet incident.
Not defending Obama but he would never participate in something like this. There are more then a few Lord High Executioners crawling around and they are way above him.
That may or may not be true. But Obama has no means to restrain Israel. Israel may or may not be the culprit, but Israel definitely is the most likely suspect.
He didn't seem to have much control over Benghazi, and does't even have control over rogue government psychopaths right under his nose like Victoria Neudelmann and her disgusting, warmongering family who abuse our tax money at will.
So how much control does he actually have over horrific events or criminal policies like creating and supplying ISIS killers? Has he fired anyone for igniting the Ukraine war and possibly earning us Russian adversaries or maybe even enemies? No.
Lois Lerner got off the hook after all she did, and she's still on payroll, working for the American people, doncha know. We all knew she'd get away with it but how did she not get fired? They didn't think twice about jailing an obscure official for some gay marriage nonsense.
I agree that the droning policy is absolutely depraved but that is decided by our ruling psychopaths for their own demented reasons. It looks like the psychos hand Obama a paper and tell him "here, read this and don't ask questions."
You are joking right???
Guy has no problem droning women and children and you think he would have a one with using an airliner to achieve the same result?
Also, he probably hates Russians because Putin reveals constantly how much of a dipshit Obama is.
The plane was reported to be at 31,000 ft, supposedly too high for a stinger, even at a perfect angle.
Except the mountains in that general region of the Sinai average 2000 meters in hieght, which puts it in stinger range of 8000 meters. If the initial problems started over the mountains, I would think it could still be a stinger.
One thing is for sure: Mr. Murphy of Murphy´s Law routinely flys all over the world, everyday.
We all forgot about the condom bombs that ISIS released. Those are what really took down the plane.
No way it was a manpad.
Could be. Flying over 2km mountain peaks would put it in range.
They could have been standing on Obama's Peace prize, because we all know how pie in the SKY that one is.
they hadn't paid their staff in two months... the Russian airline industry, as a whole, has the worst air safety record in the world... sure, they could have been bombed out of the sky, shot down, zapped by aliens, whatever but I know where my money for root cause is going to be bet... all I'm seeing here are some Russian airline execs scrambling to cover their ass and not much else...
Unlike Washington, Moscow likes to get the facts in before pointing fingers.
>> the Russian airline industry, as a whole, has the worst air safety record in the world...
Zero evidence to support that slur.
The Russians operate aircraft a lot in Siberia. In Siberia you are keen on safety or you are very soon dead.
look folks, you can downvote all you want, but facts are facts...
- Metrojet has been under scrutiny by Russian authorities for some time, not just now
- you can't trust anything Egyptian authorities say on this matter, they'll do anything to protect their tourist dollars coming in from Russia
- the A321 in question has a tail strike in its maintenance history (2001)
- Metrojet hasn't paid their employees in two months
- a co-pilot for Metrojet is on record as to complaining to his wife about the maintenance state of this particular aircraft
- this is the seventh fatal Russian airline accident in the past five years
- this is the second fatal accident for Metrojet specifically in the last three years
rant and rage all you want, those are facts that are there for all to see with a simple GIS... but by all means, go ahead and knee jerk your downvotes... the facts are there for all to see and the fact is Russia's airline industry has an abysmal safety record, period end of story...
All true, according to my sources. The Russian aviation authorities went right after the airline maintenance crews within hours of the crash. That was their first concern.
Let me add though. The manner the plane came down whould have meant structural failure of a massive nature. The tail coming off in one event is my guess. The rear pressure bulkhead could have gone due to unseen cracks from the tailstrike in 2001 which grew worse, that then just blew the weakened tail off. If it came down due to maintenance, then it had to be a big event.
TWA over the Atlantic with the fuel explosion is also on the table.
Also: AirBus do crash! The record speaks for itself.
Place your bets!
IF the plane was intentionally brought down (bomb/missle) the item used to bring it down was made in, or the parts to make it, came from:
USA = Green Up Arrow
Russia = Red Down Arrow
Israel and Saudi Arabia count as the US right?
I probably should have said the "West" (USA and it's allies) and the "East" (Russia and its allies)
"Israel and Saudi Arabia count as the US right?"
No. The US and Saudi Arabia count as Israel.
These days everything is made in China.
Get a clue.
How about simple electricity?
No traceable chemical evidence.
Isn't the USS Ponce still floating around the neighborhood with its Star Wars laser cannon?
Unless I'm mistaken, the FDR and CVR are located in the tail.
If this was indeed a rear pressure bulkead failure and the tail snapped off, then all data going to these boxes would immediately stop. If it was a bomb, same.
Interesting to note the same type of speculation in the immediate aftermath of Pan Am 103, along with the fact that the flight recorders were useless: http://articles.philly.com/1988-12-24/news/26224889_1_lockerbie-mick-cha...
Approximately the same altitude and airspeed, approximately the same size of debris field. Interesting too how there were immediate claims of responsibility by the terrizts-of-the-moment.
Most of us here are lucid enough to have some notion what this was, and to recognise that It Must Not Be Permitted for aeroplanes (even old ones) from a major manufacturer to just disintegtrate at cruising altitude. There has to be a reason which won't affect the DOW or the DAX.
It's all noise except the message that Putin now has to send...
Hands up if you think that this was a tragic accident! (Rhetorical Question)
More on the end game here......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/time-travel-is-no-l...
Obama will not finish his second term! Current Events Linked to Ancient Biblical Prophecy!
http://motivationdose.com/is-america-babylon/
The world will not survive Obama's second term!
In the United Socialist States of America, you do not finish the terms; the terms finish you.
"In the United Socialist States of America"
WRONGO!
In the United Corporate Crony Capitalist States of America, only those with the most lobbying money finish in the top 1%.
The only TRUE Socialism in the USA is the VA Medical System...but that's "For the Veterans"; so unlimited funds are guaranteed.
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Unlimited funds for the veterans... yeah, right. That's why so many kill themselves. All that free healthcare.
I didn't say they money was actually spent ON the Veterans, I said it was spent FOR the Veterans; or, in the "name of Veterans".
21 Million veterans in 2014.
128 Billion Dollars allocated for their care.
$6100 per year for each vet! Shut down the VA and just give them the money to buy their own insurance.
I like the idea. But where will all of the not-so-good doctors work, if the VA shuts down?
The Divided States of Fascist Nepotism.
"The only TRUE Socialism in the USA is the VA Medical System..."
America is about free market capitalism. If VA hospitals are socialist, then we need to abolish them. Let those lazy welfare loving freeloaders in the VA paraplegic wards fend for themselves.
No, No, No! The VA system "provides GOOD CARE"!. The problem is just "Access"; nothing more money can't fix!
Senator Joni Ernst...UBER RIGHTWINGNUTJOB...PRAISING SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!
While at the same time promising to repeal ObamaCare because it's socialized Medicine (which it's not) and we can't afford it...
Totally fucked in the head.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/07/2...
Tylers, can you please kick out these idiots that keep posting this second term bullshit?
I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it...
Somebody said that once. I guess it was applicable at the time. Maybe not now. ;)
Planes don't disintegrate without assistance...
And neither do "buildings"...
And they don't fall at freefall spee..., no wait...
Disintegrating planes make my head hurt....
Don't fall apart on us.
Planes good point...
Buildings not something that should be baked into the building and "safety code(s)" (with or without planes hitting them)...
I actually heard someone who was allegedly ex-FBI tell me that Building 7 was purposely designed that way to symetrically collapse within itself for "safety reasons"... This person couldn't however tell me why it collapsed like the Tower(s) I and II 8 hours later without a plane hitting it!
By the way this was 4 years before Judge Hellerstein in the New York City superior court told New Yorker(s) and the rest of the World who petitioned for a second investigation nearly 12 years later that Building 7 collapsed because it was not structurally sound! One would think the owner of that building would go to jail for violating prescribed building code(s) or perhaps it is the building code(s) that need to be altered?!!!
Think the Russians will have a much better run at figuring out who did it than the U.S. government did with 9/11 and all it's emergency response agencies put together!
Buildings don't fall into their point of resistance. Phyics has to be overturned to believe the building 7 scenario.
It is a testament to the power of media to convince so many to believe their lying eyes.
Anybody who has played the game Jenga, ought to be familiar with the concept.
http://www.jenga.com/
Buildings TOPPLE over, they don't implode into their own footprint.
It takes directed explosive force and critical weakening of structural elements to have buidling fall into their own footprint. Furthermore, to make concrete turn to powder, implies tremendous forces.
Try swinging a sledge hammer at some concrete for awhile and see how much energy it takes to turn it to powder.
With regards to airplanes, they are designed with at least 200% load factor. That means the normal loads on plane are accounted for in all aspects of normal flight envelope.
Bridges and some buidlings are 500 to 1000% load factor.
Another narrative I keep hearing is how the software of airplane became corrupted. This is possible but not likely. Software systems on airplanes usually run on majority logic. That means that at least three computers are cross checking each other to make sure all are in agreement. If majority rules, then the one not in agreement is ignored.
The virus, or codes injected to disturb flight system would have to be very very sophisticated. Also, any engineer worth his salt would probably have designed in Eproms or some sort of hard coding in the system, to prevent simple tampering.
>>>>Also, any engineer worth his salt would probably have designed in Eproms or some sort of hard coding in the system, to prevent simple tampering. <<<<
Sure, except back in the 1990s a US Naval vessel was adrift for a while after its new computer systems crashed.
Someone had the bright idea to use WindowsNT as the OS.
They fixed that problem. They upgtaded to Windows/Vista.
Sure, except back in the 1990s a US Naval vessel was adrift for a while after its new computer systems crashed.
Someone had the bright idea to use WindowsNT as the OS.
Ha, that's funny. I didn't know that.
With regards to fly by wire: Ever since the first "electric jet" (F-16), fly by wire has been given lots of scrutiny. There hasn't really been any problems that I'm aware of, which is a testament to the solid engineering.
Grumman X-29, 1984 had this system:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_X-29
The flight control system was made up of three redundant digital computers backed up by three redundant analog computers; any of the three could fly it on its own, but the redundancy allowed them to check for errors. Each of the three would "vote" on their measurements, so that if any one was malfunctioning it could be detected. It was estimated that a total failure of the system was as unlikely as a mechanical failure in an airplane with a conventional arrangement.[4]
I guess if a ship founders without software, it is not the same as falling out of the sky with bad fly by wire system design.
My understanding is that some of the analog computers were fluidic...talk about extreme engineering.
I hear that in New York, Blue Prints AND Demolition Plans have to be submitted to get a Building Permit.
Hellerstein, enough said.
Did an Israeli firm get involved with airport security w/i say the past year?
How can you think that Netanyahu would violate the Jewish Sabbath to sabotage a Russian jet? Unless, of course, the Mossad employed a "shabbos" IED complete with an altimeter triggering device.
Sabbothage?
Well the plane's call sign was "Liberty too".
The airport itself used to be an Israeli military base, so...
From my understanding, a mechanical impact on the plane implies something hitting it from the outside, such as a missile, not something blowing up on the inside.
Maybe the headline should have been: "Israel shoots down Russian passenger jet and blames it on ISIS".
That would be my guess, but I cannot see how that bemfits the ziocons.
Quite the opposite.Unless they want to start WWIII because their dream of a greater
Israel is in tatters.
Guess again. There are multiple countries with radar covering that area. Every plane moving in the region is accounted for and there would be clear evidence if one fired at an airliner.
The same was true in Ukraine.Did it help ?
Don't be naive,and don't apply logic to the actions of psychopaths.
The Egyptians rely on US aid,I'm sure that makes them impartial.,not.
There isn't any definitive evidence on how MH17 was brought down. Air-to-air missile and 50 mm canon fire seem much more likely than a BUK. Question remains - why the secrecy? I think I know the answer.
Technically sociopaths. Psycopaths act on impulse, and generally fill our jails. Sociopaths calculate all of thier moves, and generally run our companies and Governments.
As I learned from my first wife,a RNMS(mental subnormality) its possible to be many
things all at once.One condition overlayed on others.
There were several instutionalized women patients whose only sickness was
pregnancy back in the 30's.Locked up for forty years they had
developed real problems.
Impact doesn't really imply direcation - just, well impact. Could be impacted by shrapnel from the luggage compartment, a passenger, or externally.
A "mechanical impact" can be any (internal or external) force that renders the aircraft uncontrollable e.g. United Airlines 232 in Sioux City, Iowa.
This was most likely a bomb with a barometric trigger...think Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie.
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Following Bernt Carlsson’s untimely death in the Lockerbie bombing, the case against URENCO was inexplicably dropped and no further prosecutions took place of the companies and countries that were in breach of the United Nations Council for Namibia Decree No. 1.
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No need for barometric trigger, just a simple timer like on Pan Am 103.
No need for barometric trigger, just a simple timer like on Pan Am 103.
Why not a STUXNET hack installed before takeoff. Make plane fly outside design limits until it breaks up? Dive and climb faster and faster until the fusekage breaks. They'll find the black boxes but not the flight s/w hard drive.
The A321 like most modern planes uses 'fly by wire' so computer controls the flight surfaces. Pilots really are just make suggestions to the flight control computer and the computer actually moves the control surfaces. Like any other computer controlled device it is only as good as the the program that is being run, if there is a bug in the code it can get into a state that is not recoverable and cause the plane to try and fly in a way that it was not designed for and therefore break up in flight. It may even be hack-able, not likely we would be told that, no one would fly again.
Apparently, ISIS plans an announcement.
"They claimed it was not a missile that brought the plane down and that supposed evidence will soon be released by ISIS.
One ISIS leader in Gaza told WND that “in the Russian plane operation our brothers used their brains more than their bullets or their explosives. It was part of a brains war.”
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/isis-claims-we-downed-russian-jet-in-sophisti...
So Mossad did it then.
A "brains" war? That proves it was an accident.
ISIS is a dance crew in sneakers in front of a green screen. How is a dance crew going to bring down a plane at 31,000 feet? Are they going to throw shoes at it.
Why did they wait until the plane was near Israel?
Any airplane control surfaces that could have went haywire would have been noted in the black boxes. Plus, that type of failure is not instantaneous and the pilots might have had time to broadcast a may day. Planes are not susceptible to stuxnet like viruses as their hardware is embedded with interlocks that guarantee no data loading (changing of a software program) can occur in mid air. Also unlikely that some kind of positive feedback such as a pilot induced oscillation was involved as those type of things take many seconds to devleop, where the pilots could have notified ATC. Any control surface failuire that could offset angle the planes fuselage to be improperly taking turbulent airflow at high spped from the side, bottom, or top that could cause structural failure would be noted in the black boxes. The black boxes will shortly confirm whether the pilots encountered some type of emergency that unfolded over the course of several seconds or whether there was an instantaneous event. Structural failure of any metal airplane parts, tail, wing, fuselage, would leave clues. Even a fuel tank explosion would leave clues. Collision with a solid object unlikely. Weather balloons wouldn't have the mass necessary to do that type of damage. Military drones wouldn't be that high, but they would have enough mass to cause big problems. Any collision with a solid object would likely be easily found out as there would be pieces of that object found on the ground.
I came to that conclusion a while back. I haven't flown for about 3 years now.
Its obvious that this was the work of Persian sabateours, who hope to draw Russia into a wider conflict
some sick motherfuckers...
'No account of the Jewish Question in Germany can be complete without some mention of the tidal wave of sexual immorality that was to engulf the country during the period of the Weimar Republic (1919-1933) following World War One. This also happened to be the apogee of Jewish power in Germany. Every single sphere of major influence had now fallen under Jewish control.'
https://www.darkmoon.me/2013/the-sexual-decadence-of-weimar-germany-by-l...
I'm confused... so, they are saying the sexual "immorality" was a BAD THING??
Sexual immorality is the least of this worlds problems. Of course, unless your think it ranks as high as war and the enslavement of people across the globe by a tiny minority of power elite.
It's from Moonbat News about Jews so it's important no matter how off topic.
Really.
This irked me a bit:
Sexual immorality is the least of this worlds problems. Of course, unless your think it ranks as high as war and the enslavement of people across the globe by a tiny minority of power elite.
If you don't understand how it's all connected, you need to take a step back and re-evaluate the big picture.
So the Jewish takeover of the sex industry of Germany justified the "final solution" that Hitler proposed as early as 1924/25 in "Mein Kampf"...which was meted out in WW2.
From the pot of sexual profligacy the German People went into the fire of the Gestapo.
Of course no true Aryan christian loving German, like Kaiser Wilhem and his Prussian aristrocacy, was responsible for the mayhem that preceded that descent into Jewish Brothel-land-- by destroying a Continent over 5 years invited to a beer fest of Stuka bombs, Sten gun bullets, spiced with mustard gas fireworks.
Why limit the German bunga bunga party to just the Jewish takeover of a decadent age in a nation reduced to nihilist destruction self-imposed by its christain elites?
In France during the 1900-1914 period of social expansion and sexual emancipation of the new century we called it "the belle epoque"...which ended with Kaiser Wilhem's mustard gas party.
lolwut?
Oh FFS! Can we get back on topic?
Pretty sure none of that is fact anymore until Bibi clarifies how the Palestinians that never existed back then were involved.
+1 for using bunga bunga party in a sentence, regardless of how nonsensical.
Not even time for a Mayday call and wreckage distributed over a wide area and plane split in two. This was not plane failure or pilot fault. This was likely a bomb placed by an airport worker connected to ISIS/CIA.
Russian airline reveals holiday jet crash was NOT caused by technical fault or pilot error... as evidence points towards a bombhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3299886/So-bomb-Experts-reveal-R...
president of the company can talk but he needs to do the walk too
Pilots of the company did not receive salaries for the last two months
could it be another pilot-suicide mission ?
GTFO with that "another" bullshit, anyone who doesnt have his head up his ass knows that the germanwings "suicide pilot" story was every bit as impossible as "jet fuel" on being the cause of 911. Lufthansa boasted on their site they could disable a pilot at a moment's notice...where then, is any room for a suicide pilot? That copilot sat there silent in his seat knowing full well he was completely fucked.
A bomb makes the most sense. One with an altitude sensing trigger would be perfect. I think someone with the air line got paid/threatened either to install it themselves, or look the other way while someone else did... crap, just noticed someone else beat me to this post LOL
Another couple of these undetermined magical crashes, similar to China's mysterious chemical explosions, and maybe Ronnie Raygun was ahead of his time with STAR WARS project strategy. We continue to pay taxes for it, might as well try it out... against terrorists... from Russia... going home.
Seems the plane would have shuttered/shaken for a little while if it was experiencing some major mechanical failure and the pilot and black box would transmit/record such activity. It doesn't seem likely it fell apart at once? Time will tell, or not.
It would be interesting to compare the number of MSM reports about this incident with MH17 and MH370.
We decided that the best thing to do was to pull it...
Small explosive devices that do not leave any chemical residue exist, for excample a small air pressurized tank that ëxplodes at a certain altitude just enough to blow out the side/bottom of the cargo bay.
Yep, someone with good engineering knowledge of the plane could have figured out the perfect vulnerable spot. I agree, it probably didnt need to be that large or noticeable. Altitude/pressure sensors/triggers are inexpensive and easy to get.
Like a slow-moving person who could have shown up in a wheelchair and using nasal prongs hooked to an oxygen tank? That type of scenario?
In that region of the ME everybody has their radar and satellites on alert.
Very unlikely to be a missile since at that altitude the possible perpetrators are narrowed down, and radar, satellite and visuals in the area would have been many to make it too easy to be found out. Likewise bein shot down by a military plane, would have been observed on the ground, on radar on satellite. Also examination of the plane could determine what explosive was used, and if a missile was involved.
The most likely possiblity then is a bomb on board. And it could have been anybody, USA, Israel, Egypt, maybe a well versed terrorist.
Yeh not much report about this in the MSM. Which kinda tells you then that it wasn't the USA that did it since the MSM would have been instructed how to report it for them.
Cant see any advantage for the USA or Israel in taking down this plane, as it gives Russia greater legitimacy in getting involved in the fight against ISIS/Terrorists/Rebels.
Maybe Iran?
Hasn't the Egyptian military been having problems in the Sinai with the Muslim Brotherhood/ISIS/al Nusra/al Whatever? Has that problem ever been cleared out?
Yeh not much report about this in the MSM.
To give any credence to the theory that ISIS or al Qiada is responsible would go against Obolo's claim that they are decimated and on the run.
This aircraft has suffered a tailstrike in 2001, so the accident may have been caused by a failure of the rear pressure bulkhead.
Logic has no place at ZH without every wild-ass speculation first being exercised to infinity.
Because in nearly 15 years they didnt replace the fucking rudder and ailerons?! Get the fuck outta here.
Agreed. A failure of the rear pressure bulkhead would likely have instantly disabled all control and communications systems.
There have been several such accidents in recent history, such as the 1985 Japan Airlines 747 Flight 123 crash that killed 520 persons due to a rear pressure bulkhead repair failure. The repair, performed seven years before the crash, followed a runway tailstrike -- like the Russian Airbus plane here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123
The plane in this Sinai crash also had rear structural repairs following its tailstrike accident.
Some aviation experts see a rear pressure bulkhead failure as so far the most likely cause of this crash in the Sinai. http://forums.jetphotos.net/showthread.php?t=57132&page=4
The duck tape came off?!
From the Wikipedia article you link to:
The elapsed time from the bulkhead explosion to when the plane hit the mountain was estimated at 32 minutes – long enough for some passengers to write farewell messages to their families.