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Dogfights Next? US Sends F-15 Jets To "Counter" Russian Air Force Over Syria
When the Obama administration announced it would soon put 50 (er... 100 we guess, since soldiers generally have two feet) boots on the ground in Syria, the US media immediately asked the wrong set of questions.
As we noted in “US Sends Troops To Syria: Here Are The Questions The Media Should Be Asking,” the Josh Earnest presser was nothing short of a joke, as the media peppered the Press Secretary with question after question about whether the President had gone back on his promise (made to the American people at least 16 times) to not put US ground troops into combat in Syria.
Of course that completely misses the point. And here’s why:
There have been boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq for years and indeed, the public seems to have forgotten that just five months ago, US commandos executed a raid in Syria that purportedly killed Islamic State’s “gas minister” (and yes, that’s just as absurd as it sounds).
Additionally, Washington has made no secret of the now defunct “train and equip” program for Syrian rebels - clearly, the American public hadn’t thought very hard about who was doing the on-the-ground “training.”
Finally, there’s no telling how many CIA operatives and black ops have been running around in Syria assisisting Saudi Arabia and Qatar’s proxy armies from the very beginning.
Given that, there are two questions everyone should be asking: 1) how does Washington plan to explain to Ankara that the Pentagon is set to embed US ground troops with the YPG in Syria and fly sorties from Incirlik in support of those ground troops when Turkey is literally flying from the exact same airbase on the way to bombing the exact same YPG forces with whom the US is set to embed?, and 2) how does the US intend to make sure that Russia doesn't end up "accidentally" bombing US positions?
Well, one way to answer both of those questions is to send US dogfighters to Syria. The Daily Beast reports:
The U.S. Air Force is deploying to Turkey up to a dozen jet fighters specializing in air-to-air combat—apparently to help protect other U.S. and allied jets from Russia’s own warplanes flying over Syria.
Officially, the deployment of F-15C Eagle twin-engine fighters to Incirlik, Turkey—which the Pentagon announced late last week—is meant to “ensure the safety” of America’s NATO allies, Laura Seal, a Defense Department spokesperson, told The Daily Beast.
That could mean that the single-seat F-15s and the eight air-to-air missiles they routinely carry will help the Turkish air force patrol Turkey’s border with Syria, intercepting Syrian planes and helicopters that periodically stray into Turkish territory.
But more likely, the F-15s will be escorting attack planes and bombers as they strike ISIS militants in close proximity to Syrian regime forces and the Russian warplanes that, since early October, have bombed ISIS and U.S.-backed rebels fighting the Syrian troops.
Well, kind of. We could always be wrong, but it seems unlikely that The Pentagon is going to send F-15s into battle against Russian fighter pilots in western Syria. What's pretty clearly going on here is that Washington is sending just enough air support to ensure that once the Russians and Iranians secure Syria's major cities in the west, the US has the capability to shoot down Russian jets should they threaten whatever the hell Washington's spec ops are trying to accomplish near Raqqa in conjunction with the YPG. Anyway, back to The Daily Beast:
Seal declined to discuss the deployment in detail, but hinted at its true purpose. “I didn’t say it wasn’t about Russia,” she said.
Russia’s air wing in western Syria is notable for including several Su-30 fighters that are primarily air-to-air fighters. The Su-30s’ arrival in Syria raised eyebrows, as Moscow insists its forces are only fighting ISIS, but ISIS has no aircraft of its own for the Su-30s to engage.
The F-15s the U.S. Air Force is sending to Turkey will be the first American warplanes in the region that are strictly aerial fighters. The other fighters, attack planes and bombers the Pentagon has deployed—including F-22s, F-16s, A-10s and B-1s—carry bombs and air-to-ground missiles and have focused on striking militants on the ground.
In stark contrast, the F-15s only carry air-to-air weaponry, and their pilots train exclusively for shooting down enemy warplanes. It’s worth noting that F-15Cs have never deployed to Afghanistan, nor did they participate in the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. The war in Syria is different.
And while that is indeed interesting, the following is nonsense:
Incirlik and its growing contingent of warplanes is the key to a new northern strategy in the U.S. campaign against ISIS, an unnamed Pentagon official said on Oct. 30. “One of the principal things we will do to put pressure in the border area and into Syria is, quote, ‘thicken’ air operations in northern Syria.”
“That means we want a greater density of planes striking. We need a greater density of intelligence assets developing targets. You—the White House announced A-10s, which are already on the ground at Incirlik, and F-15s forthcoming on—in Incirlik, to help in the counter-ISIL campaign,” the official added, using another acronym for ISIS.
As we've said on too many occasions to count, if Washington and Ankara (both of which are flying from Incirlik) were that concerned about ISIS in the "border area", then they wouldn't have explicitly forbidden the YPG from advancing on ISIS west of the Euphrates.
In the final analysis, Washington has absolutely no idea what's going to happen now that i) the PKK has suffered a bitter electoral defeat at the hands of Erdogan in Turkey, and ii) it's just a matter of time before Hezbollah advances on Raqqa supported by Russian warplanes and so, the Pentagon is sending in the dogfighters to make sure that in case something goes horribly wrong, the US can shoot down whoever happens to be in the sky before the "50" spec ops get bombed.
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US founded and funded ISIS blows up a Russian airliner and now US planes with air-to-air combat capabilities are sent to Turkey to challenge Putin.
WW III gets closer everyday even as gold swoons. Every new day shows how much the Nobel Prize Winner deserved his Peace Prize.
I've got 10 US fiat that says Russia wins this one.
Boris is 100 ruble to you 10 petrol dollar that NO ONE is win this one.
The Russian SU 30sm's have 3D thrust vectoring and a tighter turning radius even for a bigger plane. Russia wins this one.
Not like this is escalating anything, is it?
Assholes
Wait.... Wasn't there a Peace Prize in here somewhere? Oh yeah, I forgot. Nothing promised has been delivered .... of a constructive nature.
Oh cummon knuks, be a patriot. Syria is totally worth it.
It's fortunate that they didn't send those nice new F-35's because that would have been good target practise for the Russian jets. Old F-15's won't fare much better but they can at least turn quickly.
those "old F-15's" have an air-to-air combat record in service to all nations of 104 kills to 0 losses... half of those kills with the Israelis...
every camel humper in the Middle East knows that you do not fuck with the F-15... not unless you're in a big hurry to meet Allah...
To tha Danger Zone!!
I take it the news blackout on Aleppo means the offensive was successful? Otherwise the regime in dc would have their parrots chanting 'FAIL' 24 hours a day.
With a twisted psycho Fuck up like Mcain, and a fat Fuck chickenshit weasel like Breedlove calling the shots, what coukd go wrong? and can WW3 be far behind??
He who fights has no new ideas or anything left to say.
What the fuck is wrong with you americans and israelis.
War at ANY cost.
You along with all Russians and dissatisfied angry Americans are being played by ZH. This site is created by Russians to instigate people,that is why the stories are always negative to make you question your government. Russian propoganda is not any better than the American one but it is in your face all the time,
as far as I know about, main is not started...
but out of touch 20 hour, get back contact soon
any big news will post at top best
breaking news: Russian transport plane crashed in Africa
Dogfighting is obsolete, missile range way too long to use guns. Serb's shot down stealth fighter with 60's USSR SAM.
F15's near Syria are excellent targets, like carriers in Persian Gulf.
USS Maine, Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin, etc.
Beat goes on...
That's quite Sonny, so nice of you to Cher it.
Didn't expect that groaner.
nice.
http://badpets.net/Humor/Jokes/Jokes2.html
Thats what they said in vietnam too. The first f4 had no guns and they quickly found out that was a bad idea. Missiles have a stand off capability but you only have 8 or so. And if you get close enough they are useles too. As long as there are planes dogfighting will never be obsolete
Sorry, US, where's your party invitation again? Oh, that's right, YOU DON"T HAVE ONE
Spot on.
The Russians are there legally.
The US/NATO are trespassing and becoming an increasing problem. The only reason for the F-15s is to provide top cover for the A-10s.
This could force the Syrians to declare their airspace as 'controlled'. An internationally accepted declaration of a no-fly zone by a sovereign state. If they do this it will be another Washington example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
Mate, we're talking about this century.
Since they have not fought the Russians I would be puttin my $ on Putins crew
Upvoted you because I think you are right on that point. However, they have not faced those Russkie pilots and their tier 1 kit/training since Korea in the fifties and that was a somewhat of a more even match. As the Saudis have proven no amount of money and high tech kit is a substitute for basic competance. Time wili tell no doubt.
Disclaimer: This was, in no way, an endorsement of the USSA mid-east foreign policy. I'm frankly perpetually quite confiused and understand nothing more than the basic operation of, and need to keep close, my AR collection.
Rogue
They are outmoded, Grampa.
Maybe so but russian pilots flying their own jets will not be such a pushover.
Mike Tyson had a perfect record and a plan..... then Buster Douglas punched him in the face
Remind me again, 104 kills against what?
Worth reapeating 104 -0. The F-15 is the best proven dog fighter in the world. With the best trained pilots in the world. And im in the red corner on this one. This changes things on the control of the skies deal. Should it come to that.
Unlike the pork barrel F-35's, the F-15's were designed during the cold war when there was an actual expection that they might have to fight some day, they may not be as "state of the art" as they once were, but they are pretty lethal...
Kinda telling that we keep sending "older" planes (F-15/F-16's, Warthogs, B-52's, ac-130's etal) into combat zones rather than relying on our "newer" stuff...
There's more to dogfighting than a few statistics.
But heck, what do I know? I'm only flying planes for a living...
So are you flying as a fighter pilot or a bus driver? So what is it that you know because you fly planes for a living? Flying planes is surely not that difficult - I mean you can get a pilot license at what... 14?
The F22s are clearly superior to the SU30s, the F-15s not so much. If they want to be sure to win they will need to send the F22s out on CAP instead of on bombing raids. But maybe being sure they win isn't their highest priority.
Except for durability, firepower, and manueverability - youre right.
The question though is not so much F-15 or F-22 versus SU-30. The question is more F-15 or F-22 versus S350 or S400.
Didn't you mean the F-22 vs the A321 or A350
No, he means the quality of the planes is not what's important. The winner goes to the best avionics, missiles, electronic detection and counter measures.
Dog fighting IS OBSOLETE. It's all electronics now.
It think this is the stratagy. Send in your old fighters and if they are downed by Su30s or S300+ sams than you have an 'excuse' for what happened and still retain faith that the F22 will be superior. If you send in F22 and it is downed....then there is no excuse...it will show the weakness and more reason for others to jump on the Russian side.
Durability? A israeli f15 was hit by a SAM in one of their many conlicts. After recovery the plane from a death spin the pilot managed to fly it back safely to base. On inspection they could not believe the f15 made it back missing the entire left wing!! Seems durable to me
BFD, UPS pilot landed in Bagdad after a SAM strike missing it's wing too(was a 767 or 737 can't remember)....most of these planes are over built and can fly enough to land while missing big chunks
And i love the f15, but good luck evading the s400, or dogfighting once the russians have jammed all your radar....Russians figured out that missile tech is the future...USSA has been circle jerking on F35 for last 20 years....
If they want to be sure to win they will need to send the F22s.
Win?? Win what? There is no win.
The F22s are clearly superior to the SU30s, the F-15s not so much. If they want to be sure to win they will need to send the F22s out on CAP instead of on bombing raids. But maybe being sure they win isn't their highest priority.
Maybe Bath House wishes to sacrifice a few pilots to get it on with the Russians.
Hey, fighter jocks! You are being SET UP by your colorful Gay Commander.
If I was you, I'd call in sick.
Or get Dan Rather to type up some "please excuse little georgie w from flying today" notes.
Dan Rather, the man is like a little god of journalist. and his word counts.
If I had to go out, I'd love to be driving a hot rod .
Ah but sending f15Cs is gonna be good for GDP.
But,but,but Uncle Sam has F-35....!/S
What is more interesting than the Su30's are the MiG31s (likely MiG31BMs) hat Putin sent a couple of weeks ago.
These are not ground pounders, but rather are designed for air superiority. Multiple MiG31BMs network their sensors and work together as an distributed mini-AWACs against any threat - which is the same technique that will be used someday on the F35, ha ha.
Sounds like this was done to anticipate the move of the F15s into Incirlik.
Sound like Putin is a still a couple of moves ahead.
Those are interceptors. Not so good in a dogfight.
They are basically all purpose AWACs assets meant to control an airspace, either handling things themselves if standoff missiles will work (supposedly 6 targets at a time) or coordinating other RuAF planes. These are not meant to dogfight, rather than to sit above the fray and detect anything that flies. They are *really* fast so they are not easy to get a jump on.
The F15 was also designed as an air superiority fighter. Its no slouch by any means.
I'm on the same side of the bet as Boris with this one, except I don't have any Rubles. But I will put up a packet of 300 corn seeds, 100 NM chile seeds, various squash seeds and various bean seeds.
Those beans are absolute gold. Seal and store properly, they'll be priceless. Not to mention cannabis seeds
You are come work for Boris, you are pay in Rubles.
(Please remember bring rubber boot and thick leather glove.)
When the utility company replaced the 14 kV transformer in front of my house, they used a 10-foot fiberglass pole with a pincher on the end. And they wore hard hats and safety goggles. I watched them. No sparks, but with 14 kV, they weren't fooling around.
Fiberglass pole, huh? Is sound expensive, but Boris is have aluminum pole. Will have mother-in-law test with pincher.
Old avatar good , new is bad, this is too modern like Nokia Cityman 450 Mhz edition.
Just sayin' comrade.
You are not see. Boris is make Q-Code so you are Scan Q-Code with smart phone and are call Boris directly.
LOL, cannot believe it's been 3 1/2 years of Boris.
Humour us, you're actually from Khazakstan.
http://www.ibtimes.com/syrian-electronic-army-hacks-international-busine...
The US looks like a double-downed asshole no matter what
Stop encouraging this fake asshole and his stupid put on accent
Um, I find him humorous, and sometimes he has a point to make, so no.
is it important to you?
Yeah, because you're so much more entertaining and perceptive.
better to have GMO seeds...the kind that will grow in irradiated soils.
I'll bet $1000 the American people will be the losers, whether we succeed in Syria or not.
Boris is good sense.
Please send Obombo memo.
I wish Tyler would quit using that crap ISW map. The U.S. Eternal Chaos™ plan calls for someone (besides Assad) to own enough Syrian and Iranian oil fields to finance themselves, and enough water to sustain the population and agriculture. If you want to know what's really behind the ISIS control, then this map is far more succinct. The dual-purpose of the ISIS real estate is to finance/water themselves and deprive the Syrian state, i.e., Assad of both of those long enough to cause the collapse of the Syrian government. It wasn't as successful as the U.S. envisioned, so they resorted to a war of attrition as a back-up plan. That's when Russia stepped in and said "Enough... playtime is over."
Now that ISIS is out of control, the U.S. is willing (but reluctant) to start bombing/fighting them for real, but ONLY if they can replace ISIS with some other Team Chaos proxy. That's happening now in Raqqa, where the U.S. has created some kind of fake operations room that consists of 1) anti-Assad Sunnis, and 2) some kind of fake Kurdish YPG the U.S. whipped up to arm and send in. The real Kurds from Kobane - the Rojava Kurds YPG - don't seem to know anything about the fake Kurd army and only got a token few new U.S. weapons. In other words, the REAL Kobane YPG didn't get nearly any of the 50 tons of airdropped stuff. That all went to the U.S. fake Kurd YPG guys who are apparently some kind of peshmerga mercs that were trained up in Iraq. Whoever they are, they are U.S.-backed head-choppers, not real Rojava Kurds.
The idea once again isn't for the U.S. to actually revive the FSA - that experiment has failed. What they want is whatever head-chopper that's handy to hold the exact same territory that ISIS is right now. Starve Syrians of resources, and provide self-financing through oil. The 'Safe Zone' is nothing but an arms and oil smuggling route to keep the U.S. anti-Assad fake state alive, regardless of what head-choppers are in charge. The U.S. SF guys are human shields to thwart Russian bombing of the new anti-Assad force - the ISIS replacement. In Raqqa, that's some combination of Sunni radicals and fake YPG. That's why the U.S. is pissing its pants about Russian bombing ANY headchoppers - the U.S. (and Gulf cronies) MUST hold that middle chunk of Syria and Iraq so both countries remain destabilized. There's few - if any - candidates to be used for anti-Assad resource theft left to recruit. Expect the U.S. to cook up more of these odd fake armies to step in and hold the land where ISIS and al Nusra are forced out.
The F-15s and A-10s are there to 'fight ISIS', but only in select locations where they can quickly be replaced by some OTHER U.S.-backed anti-Assad forces. Expect the U.S. to go bonkers bombing ISIS pretty soon - it's a race to retain their real-estate now before the Russians/Assad are able to recover any of it.
Take your pick for the ultimate reason 'why' - the Mosel to Haifa oil pipeline for cheap Israeli oil. Or the Qatari pipeline which will run just to the West of the Euphrates up to Turkey - precisely (and coincidentally) where ISIS is holding territory. The 'Safe Zone' is where it would cross into Turkey - that must be held by U.S.-backed anti-Assad forces. The other part of the long game is replacing Assad with a U.S./Gulf States puppet - resource theft and denial seems to be a favored neocon tactic. Sanctions and fake revolutions not working? Bomb the power plants and water purification facilities and you add even more stress on the Syrians and Assad. What's next - biological warfare? It's pure fucking EVIL.
I keep up daily and for some reason the RuAF switched it up and bombed Raqqua repeatedly like 8 times today. as far as I know they had not done this before and were striking mainly around Hama and Allepo FSA targets with an occassional trip to Deir Ezzor to bomb ISIS. Seems like they are getting around to ISIS on the Euphrates more heavily now. Maybe this has something to do with that.
They have a 8KM no interference agreement in the air. Maybe they are going to use these to constant loiter around Raqqua or their other "assets" and use these planes for shields? Sad, that is what they seem to want to use the American groundforces for, human shields. Disgusting use of American armed forces and pilots in my opinion.
I guess we will find out what these are for soon enough. Looks like another stupid move to me.
If they are there to start shit, they better give that Moskva ship tied up at port a wide berth is all I can tell them and I think the rest will come down to who has the best BVR AA missles not plane. Hope it does'nt come to this. Again, doubling down on stupid.
Keep in mind that every US service member knows that the operation in Syria is illegal.
Their oath was to follow LEGAL orders.
Excellent post, but the people in the armed SERVICES are just that, paid, and as long as the perk of a housing allotment comes every month so they can afford their nice houses they do not care what is legal or illegal.
Oath my ass, if any of them had ever read the Constitution which they constantly say they are "defending" they would realize that a standing army is completely illegal in the first place. Then there's the Federalist papers as well as ample writings by Adams, Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Franklin that spells out that America is supposed to have a Navy for territorial defense and continental voluntary citizen militia (hence the 2A), non of this massive standing army bullshit.
And if that's not enough there is this book, "War is a Racket" by Smedley Butler, only been out for 70+ years, explains what a scam "military service" is in good ole USSA....so whatever if you're dumb and gullable go ahead, get killed so some globalist can make an extra $2 off you
I have to say Thierry Meyssan's latest at Voltairnet.org just dropped a bombshell I never saw coming: Towards a reversal of the situation in the Near East published yesterday.
He sees the current diplomatic efforts based on the fact that Assad has basically won the war, and there has already been a long diplomatic effort on what happens now. He points back to a U.N. Security Council agreement from last September formulated by Russia which seeks to bring stability and peace to the Middel East by 1) Making Israel return to the 1967 borders (giving up the Golan), and 2) "...to combat terrorist ideology – in other words, to fight the Muslim Brotherhood, created by the United Kingdom and supported by Turkey, and the Wahhabism propagated by Saudi Arabia..."
Initially, the U.S. opposed this plan but has been working behind the scenes towards some form of implementation. Israel has largely been absent in the talks, which Meyssan explains thusly:
Some kind of puppet Kurd government? He doesn't specify, but describes them as anti-Assad. Odd since the Rojava have always been pretty agnostic towards Assad - they refused to join any coalitions fighting against the SAA, and have little reason to declare independence now. Sounds like U.S./Israeli clownfuckery, not the will of the Rojava. Meissan does see the internal troubles in Turkey continuing, leading ultimately to a the breakup of Turkey into Turkish and Kurdish parts. The Kurd part evnetually unifying with the Kurd portions of Syria and Iraq (also a quite artificial construct - the Kurds are not THAT united by a long shot).
Although Russia will be recognized (along with Iran) as the major military powers in the region, the Team Chaos plan still goes forward by eliminating Islamic extremism, but replacing that with a fake Kurdistan, and unstable Turkey and the splitting up of Saudi Arabia.
I'm not sure what to make of Messan's thoughts. It wouldn't surprise me that something like that will be the way this ends up. In other words, a million dead Iraqis and a quarter-million dead Syrians for essentially nothing besides a Balkanized Middle East with Israel and chunks of the former Saudi Arabia forming some kind of regional Stazi.
Fantastically informative comments! I regret only that I have but one up vote (per comment) to give.
Agreed, Pave just rocks, the Tylers need to cut the middle men and give him a proper weekly Gig. Save all the BS shit we have to wade through.
They may already have, wouldn't surprise me if Paveway isn't a fully compensated ME expert Tyler.
He's excellent at any rate.
Thats interesting. The Balkan Plan eh?. Just goes to show, you really don't know what these bastards are planning to do behind closed doors. I thought it strange that they invited 17 countries to talk about settling the Syrian War and everyone was invited but Syria. And Israel was not there or told to stfu?
Also even thought they deserve it after 3 wars, If they cut out a Kurds a nice fat chunk of Turkey and Syria, then this place will be in wars for another 100 years as they will be lauching rocket attacks around every few years just like what goes on with Palestine. Israel and Lebanon now. This is why they need to leave these strongmen like Gaddafi, Assad and Sadam alone. They now how to keep all this crazy crap in line with the diverse ethnic populations. And why would Turkey agree to cede anything? Even though they are heavy involved, they havent lost any turf. Or Syria for that matter they have not lost yet.
Chopping countries up in smaller and smaller defenseless econonically unviable pieces like Serbia. and Croatia. Only the Germans were ever smart enough to reunite. In this day and age Bigger is better you dumb fuck Lavtian and Estonian Potatoe heads.
http://m.journal-neo.org/2014/08/18/order-out-of-chaos-the-global-elites...
The thread of the Oded Yinon plan runs through pnac and brookings papers. This is about Greater Israel most of all, to include stealing as much as possible of Leviathan. Of course this motive is best covered by other plausible and perhaps legitimate secondary motives.
Well, I agree. It's up to the Iraqis to kick the USSA out, align with Iran and Syria and Russia.
The best strategic move made so far is the Supreme Allied HQ in Iraq where the Iraqis, Iranians, Hezbollah, Syrians and Russians can plan tactics and strategery.
No doubt Bath House has ordered the F-15 fuel gauges rigged and the planes half-gassed so they fall out of the sky at the right time and the ejecting pilots are burned alive in cages.
Remember, if he fails his Zionist Masters, it will probably be "curtains" for him and his Tranny, Mooch of Air Miles.
I came across of report from Syrian Press that Iraq has impounded a couple of US planes carrying weapons to ??? US proxy du jour. If so, then game on.
Amerika is must be careful of new Russian Sukhoi T-50 flying tank:
https://www.rt.com/news/maks-2011-t-50/
Russian jets always have this protrusion in the back, it looks like they are going to hump the F-35 and spawn a generation of little gliders..
The Chinese took care of that already. FUNCTIONING F35s on steroids they now build ;)
Those won't be in full production until next year or so, and even then, it takes a while to build a bunch of them.
Not with a billion Chinese working on the project. Besides, they've got all those ghost cities modeled after Western cities for target pactice.
Here comes TOPGUN over Syria
Flyway into Danger Zone. (c) 2015 -Kirk
Only if the Iranian Airforce brings over their F14 Tomcats...
The F15C Eagle may be old but since its beginning it has been the air superiority fighter of the US and the world with the best mechanics and the best (very secret) ECM of the entire US air fighters including those non combat capable raptors. This is why they have never been used before. Uknow ... the cat will be out of the bag. Going to be a real test of air superiority. Obviously Obozo is throwing out his best. LOOK OUT! Not saying that these Eagles will come out on top but definitely Obozo is giving it his best shot and at the least the Russians will have a chance to learn how to combat them and perhaps over fight them.
This is a VERY serious test of US air superiority or non-superiority.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR76PfL2KRw
F-15C's are pretty dated, and are overmatched if they are going up against top Russian pilots in Su-30's. Remember the Su-30 is a late 90's era design/built (compared to late 60's era design, early 70's build for the F-15) with thrust vecroting and more advanced avionics and fire control systems when compared to the 15's, even after the latest "C" variant modernizations. If Russia has their top pilots in those planes, the US crews are going to have their hands full.
Not suggessting that the US airmen aren't up to the task, they most certainly are. But much of the US arsenal is outdated, and the F-15C is a good example of that. They should really be sending more F-22's into the fray for air superiority as that is the best front line fighter they have. That is what they are going to need if the fur starts to fly and they are up against the top Russian rigs.
Barack Akhbar!
Allahu Barakbar!
+10!
Tulsi Gabbard for president
I doubt Putin is worried about the F-15 deployment given the SU-30's owned the F-15's during the (India)IAF(Indian) and USAF Red Flag in 2008. The Israeli Airforce recently turned around 4 F-15c's after they got intercepted by Russian SU-30's.
This "incident" between fighter aircraft Russian and Israeli has stunned the command of the Israeli Air Force, which held that a possible air battle between the Israeli F-15 and Su-30 Russian would have led to the destruction of four Israeli aircraft.
http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.co.za/2015/10/israeli-f-15s-intercepted-by...
Advantage F15c.
Those old obsolete planes (39 years old)? Not me.
Jul 1, 2002 - THE SCENARIO in which the Su-30 "always" beats the F-15 involves the ... While Ex Cope India was the first fully documented DACT with these ...
That article is old and widely refuted. "Unnamed USAF source." C'mon.
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Widely refuted by whom? Post a link to your evidence
The Russians just need to turn on their latest electronic warfare equipment and the F15s won't leave the tarmack.
Nah, they'll wait til the jets are in the air and then turn it on. Far more destructive this way.
The USA is constantly presenting evidence from "unnamed" and "anonymous" official sources, and you believe them...
I really hope you are not a shill. It would be an insult to a great veteran, Reggie Dunlop.
right... this is the thread where all the Russian bench racers claim their shitpiles are better...
F-15C - never defeated in air-to-air combat... read 'em and weep... the Israelis can't order them fast enough, that's all you need to know...
Help me understand why Israel wants F15s. The article says they are air-to-air combat. Whose airforce is Israel fighting?
We have seen many examples of Israel bombing Palestinians - but they are on the ground - so presumably not done by an air-to-air combat plane.
Am I missing something?
Not at all. The US gives Israel a whole bunch of money to buy US weapons with. The Israelis pretty much then have a whole bunch of free shit (not the same free shit army at Walmart) and all those weapons jobs stay in the US.
The backstabbers need some more tech to sell to the Chinese, of course they will buy up the F15s
Fish GB, you have crushed the voting script with your leading italics. So, here's your upvote +1.
I don't have to help you understand shit... it's a matter of record, fucking google it already... half the air kills done by F-15s have been by the Israeli air force, fact, look it up it's all over the place for all to see...
They don't like the price of F35s.
Even if they worked.
bid the soldier...
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0They don't like the price of F35s.
Even if they worked.
Since when did they start paying for US military shit? Don't they get it all for free? Or based on loans never repayable?
Am I missing something?
Yes, there are two different types of F-15, these that the US are sending which are the air superiority version and a second, the strike version that are safely in their US airbases.
The IAF, although it has the former has converted most of them into pretty much the strike version.
show me a F15 dogfight against a real airforce and not some BS Iraqi airforce...
Do MIG 29s out of Pristina count?
BTW, dogfight...read up on BVR vs, WVR.
No, they don't.
United States Air Force F-15s and F-16s flying mainly from Italian air force bases attacked the defending Yugoslav fighters; mainly MIG-29s, which were in bad shape, due to lack of spare parts and maintenance.
Not to mention the fact that they were vastly outnumbered.
Much more importantly lets see if the F15C can turn inside a S400, that is the real fight once they get a lock all the Harm missies in the world wont save you.
well if you want them to fight a "real" air force then I guess the Russians are out of the running...
Never go full retard ignorant.
I mean this just indicates you dont know what youre talking about.
But the irritating thing is your idiotic, misplaced ra ra patriotism.
The US has supported Christian murdering psycho proxies - and youre rooting for them?
The 15C is not going to dominate in the way you think.
But lets hope it doesnt come to that.
The US has zero fucking business in syria, has supported terrorists, and is now using us personnel to shield those terrorists.
From post turtle saver:
right... this is the thread where all the Russian bench racers claim their shitpiles are better...
F-15C - never defeated in air-to-air combat... read 'em and weep... the Israelis can't order them fast enough, that's all you need to know...
My addition:
Where the Israelis cannot get extorted American Money fast enough, to then buy F-15's for Israelis to use - essentially a gift from American taxpayers, which also enriches the MIC.
Parasitism runs deep, as does the hypnosis.
Please, someone explain to me what is worth sending our sons and daughters over there to fight and die for? How are we defending ourselves and from what? Preserving 'freedom'? Building democracies? Preserving the ZWO? Fer fucks sake already.........................
Maybe you should have educated your sons and daughters better on why they shouldn't join the military industrial complex and be ground up into sausage and stuffed into little casings, boiled and eaten by the elites.
It takes soldiers to fight wars.
Stupid people can be coerced to do anything. Soldiers are very dumb animals that are easily programmed to march in lock step and not once ask themselves this "What the fuck am I doing here".
Soldiers are 19 and 20 year old boys that don't know shit. Then the MIC gets hold of them and they are conditioned until any free thought has left them. STOP calling them STUPID. How fucking smart were you at 19? At 19, I thought Ross Perot was the future.
Give 'em a break. We all learn some lessons the hard way.
I don't give killers a break and I certainly don't give a flying fuck how young or how old. If you don't know killing is bad at the age of 19 then I say to that 19 year old, fuck you, you evil piece of shit and do the world a favour and fucking die.
OK, I won't call them STUPID, I'll call them inherently evil. Is that better?
I'd love to see your reaction to a 19 year old Arab that kicked down your door and killed your kids.
Wake the fuck up will you and stop supporting the death cult that is the US MIC and the minions that ernable them.
There is no hope for this world when 15 people who are simply representative of a much larger group who up arrowed you, are willing to support evil sacks of shit that will kill without thinking and murder without remorse.
The workd is byond fucked.
Forget the show/documentary but I remember this paraphrased quote: "You can train a 40 year old man to fight in combat, but you will never get him to believe that he likes it. You can with 18 yr olds though."
When I was 19, I think I was mentally retarded back then. Things are better in my 50's, I learned alot thru hard knocks and also know I really DON'T "know it all."
The entire culture is fucking stupid. All "our boys in uniform" are "heroes" who get "thank you for your service" everywhere they go.
Fucking local Home Depot has parking spots adjacent to the Handicapped spots reserved for "Military Veterans" (picture the waving flag sign background.)
If there were a war for "hearts and minds" of decent, sane people in America it has most certainly been lost. Completely. And, sadly, I don't believe that can change.
The sickness is effectively incurable at this point . . . the patient literally reveres his own sickness. Change ain't gonna happen unless through a crushing defeat that reaches into the very "Homeland" itself.
It's a good time to be an old man with your life mostly behind you. What a disgrace to leave behind.
When the cold war ended, the Soviets just switched sides. Now look who is spreading socialism around the world at gunpoint.
Lot a fucking money to made on this.
Waddya ya, stupid?
Yeah, until a few 800kt warheads go off over our financial centers, wiping out all of that paper and digital "wealth."
I loved the movie
Yes the only measure of wealth will be radioactive scrub land with a half life of 25,000 years that could produce a harvest in 48,000 years.
A shiny new gas pipeline running through Syria to Europe.
That's not going to happen. The region is already far too unstable to actually build and maintain one, and will be so for the forseeable future.
If the Shabbos Bully isn't going to keep the Oded Yinon Plan on schedule, who is?
Bubba is either too dumb, too distracted, too malleable or too scared (about his hand-to-mouth paycheck) to make waves.
http://www.thedailystar.net/the-yinon-plan-and-the-role-of-the-isis-31469
Solzhenitsyn told very clearly who they hate
Hint: All your congress critters have dual nationality.
Hint: Syria and Israel don't see eye to eye.
The Oded Yinon / Clean Break / Rebuilding America's Defenses /Which Path To Persia line of plans for Greater Israel is why.
The evidence is open, obvious, and hiding in plain sight - above criticism or (it seems) naming.
Now what? Gay Beach Volleyball...Russia versus USA?
There is no gay in Russia!
You can't spell Russia without usa
When you are assume, you are put ass between you and me. Or something.
Does Russia not have closets?
Yes, but many family is must to sharing of closet. Apartment is very crowding.
Boris your killin me man lol