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Dogfights Next? US Sends F-15 Jets To "Counter" Russian Air Force Over Syria
When the Obama administration announced it would soon put 50 (er... 100 we guess, since soldiers generally have two feet) boots on the ground in Syria, the US media immediately asked the wrong set of questions.
As we noted in “US Sends Troops To Syria: Here Are The Questions The Media Should Be Asking,” the Josh Earnest presser was nothing short of a joke, as the media peppered the Press Secretary with question after question about whether the President had gone back on his promise (made to the American people at least 16 times) to not put US ground troops into combat in Syria.
Of course that completely misses the point. And here’s why:
There have been boots on the ground in Syria and Iraq for years and indeed, the public seems to have forgotten that just five months ago, US commandos executed a raid in Syria that purportedly killed Islamic State’s “gas minister” (and yes, that’s just as absurd as it sounds).
Additionally, Washington has made no secret of the now defunct “train and equip” program for Syrian rebels - clearly, the American public hadn’t thought very hard about who was doing the on-the-ground “training.”
Finally, there’s no telling how many CIA operatives and black ops have been running around in Syria assisisting Saudi Arabia and Qatar’s proxy armies from the very beginning.
Given that, there are two questions everyone should be asking: 1) how does Washington plan to explain to Ankara that the Pentagon is set to embed US ground troops with the YPG in Syria and fly sorties from Incirlik in support of those ground troops when Turkey is literally flying from the exact same airbase on the way to bombing the exact same YPG forces with whom the US is set to embed?, and 2) how does the US intend to make sure that Russia doesn't end up "accidentally" bombing US positions?
Well, one way to answer both of those questions is to send US dogfighters to Syria. The Daily Beast reports:
The U.S. Air Force is deploying to Turkey up to a dozen jet fighters specializing in air-to-air combat—apparently to help protect other U.S. and allied jets from Russia’s own warplanes flying over Syria.
Officially, the deployment of F-15C Eagle twin-engine fighters to Incirlik, Turkey—which the Pentagon announced late last week—is meant to “ensure the safety” of America’s NATO allies, Laura Seal, a Defense Department spokesperson, told The Daily Beast.
That could mean that the single-seat F-15s and the eight air-to-air missiles they routinely carry will help the Turkish air force patrol Turkey’s border with Syria, intercepting Syrian planes and helicopters that periodically stray into Turkish territory.
But more likely, the F-15s will be escorting attack planes and bombers as they strike ISIS militants in close proximity to Syrian regime forces and the Russian warplanes that, since early October, have bombed ISIS and U.S.-backed rebels fighting the Syrian troops.
Well, kind of. We could always be wrong, but it seems unlikely that The Pentagon is going to send F-15s into battle against Russian fighter pilots in western Syria. What's pretty clearly going on here is that Washington is sending just enough air support to ensure that once the Russians and Iranians secure Syria's major cities in the west, the US has the capability to shoot down Russian jets should they threaten whatever the hell Washington's spec ops are trying to accomplish near Raqqa in conjunction with the YPG. Anyway, back to The Daily Beast:
Seal declined to discuss the deployment in detail, but hinted at its true purpose. “I didn’t say it wasn’t about Russia,” she said.
Russia’s air wing in western Syria is notable for including several Su-30 fighters that are primarily air-to-air fighters. The Su-30s’ arrival in Syria raised eyebrows, as Moscow insists its forces are only fighting ISIS, but ISIS has no aircraft of its own for the Su-30s to engage.
The F-15s the U.S. Air Force is sending to Turkey will be the first American warplanes in the region that are strictly aerial fighters. The other fighters, attack planes and bombers the Pentagon has deployed—including F-22s, F-16s, A-10s and B-1s—carry bombs and air-to-ground missiles and have focused on striking militants on the ground.
In stark contrast, the F-15s only carry air-to-air weaponry, and their pilots train exclusively for shooting down enemy warplanes. It’s worth noting that F-15Cs have never deployed to Afghanistan, nor did they participate in the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. The war in Syria is different.
And while that is indeed interesting, the following is nonsense:
Incirlik and its growing contingent of warplanes is the key to a new northern strategy in the U.S. campaign against ISIS, an unnamed Pentagon official said on Oct. 30. “One of the principal things we will do to put pressure in the border area and into Syria is, quote, ‘thicken’ air operations in northern Syria.”
“That means we want a greater density of planes striking. We need a greater density of intelligence assets developing targets. You—the White House announced A-10s, which are already on the ground at Incirlik, and F-15s forthcoming on—in Incirlik, to help in the counter-ISIL campaign,” the official added, using another acronym for ISIS.
As we've said on too many occasions to count, if Washington and Ankara (both of which are flying from Incirlik) were that concerned about ISIS in the "border area", then they wouldn't have explicitly forbidden the YPG from advancing on ISIS west of the Euphrates.
In the final analysis, Washington has absolutely no idea what's going to happen now that i) the PKK has suffered a bitter electoral defeat at the hands of Erdogan in Turkey, and ii) it's just a matter of time before Hezbollah advances on Raqqa supported by Russian warplanes and so, the Pentagon is sending in the dogfighters to make sure that in case something goes horribly wrong, the US can shoot down whoever happens to be in the sky before the "50" spec ops get bombed.
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The Constitution was the problem in the first place. It was the Great Betrayal of the people.
There is a nasty little trick going around among the meme makers. When something is being spun as good, the news and the shills use the term "The United States" or the specific bureaucratic department in question. When something is horrible, they use the term "America" and blame "Americans", and speak of the price we all have to pay for "our" country's foibles.
Let's reverse that fucking bullshit.
are you serious?? We know America and the United States is the biggest scam in history... hopefully the US dollar will be worth zero soon... then you can call it collective punishment if you want to... buy some silver now...it's real money
They do that alot. Its a sneaky way to trigger the perceptions people have. Blaming Greeks for the actions of the jerks in charge.
Nice catch. We are so gettin playd.
Holy fucking shit these people are insane. .
Washington Post Confirms: ISIS Supplied Via Turkey, a US Excuse to Seize Syria
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/11/washington-post-confirms-isis-...
Assad needs to invite China in... This plan now bleeds off resources from Iran and Russia... China would make an ideal partner as they have a lot of manpower to confront the evil USA/Israel Zio cabal.
and history records that the American people once again sat by as a hostile occupation government sent their young men to die for no good reason at all.
The f-15C is cannon fodder for those Russian birds. Which is presumably the point.
Edit: funny how the A10s werent available when ISIS took their sweet time rolling in convoy in a fucking desert, huh?
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/11/washington-post-confirms-isis-...
Wonder how the pilots feel being the sacrificial lambs..? They must know damn well also.
Wonder if the guys at pearl harbor knew they were also being offered up on the alter of the neocon gods..?
OK, so we are scared from US fighter jets. Because you know - everytime US fighter jets meet with our russian fighter jets - we lost the war. Saddam had russian MIG fighter jets, Gaddafi had them, etc. Everytime we meet with US air force - we lost it. So ok, we know we should not mess with US airforce. But we don't need that! Because we can win in Syria without airforce. We have all the free world support. On our side is all the free world allies - like: China, North Korea, Hezbollah, Iran and you know very well that also ISIS is on our side. That is why we don't bomb them.. he he :) Yes, we are clever. We say we bomb ISIS but actually we bomb those Syrian rebels who are supported by US. It's a proxy war with US not a war with ISIS. Everyone knows that. So all the free world everyone would like to join - is on our side. That is why we can't loose.
The effort to sell isis as anything but a us proxy is as batshit crazy as Bibi's effort to blame the Holocaust on the Palestinians. His ability to get away with false flags and war crimes has it seems warped his perspective on just what limits there are to brazen, naked fictions.
To suggest it in earnest is to out yourself as a propagandist.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/11/washington-post-confirms-isis-...
What the US government is doing is not for the benefit of Syria, nor for the national security of the homeland. It is a Zionist and fascist assault on humanity itself. The US and its allies, very much including Israel, has created and armed and funded terrorist armies with no code of conduct.
Hate Putin all you want. He's a bloody politician.
But God damn you for your clumsy, obtuse apologetics for Anglo-Zionist state terrorism.
I am for Putin because he is like Stalin and we russians loved Stalin. Even polls show that that we still love Stalin. And polls show that we love Putin. So I love Putin. He is at power for 15 years. He has jailed, killed real opposition and we know that. It's ok. Because any opposition is financed by CIA Zionist Lizzard people that will take over world with NWO. So Putin is like angel saviour in this story. Ok? So we love him. And all the media is controlled by him because that is only way how he can protect us from evil CIA Zionist Lizzard people NWO agenda. Just like in North Korea - only there Kim has gone a bit further. So don't you dare to call me hatting Putin. He is our Sun, our God, our Putin. Heil Putin!
Satire only works when its clever and honest. You are neither.
It's honest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalya_Estemirova
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Magnitsky
We russians udnerstand everything - we support Putin: https://youtu.be/fY3s4CpAtkg
Putin! Putin! Putin!
The good cop/bad cop shtick is getting pretty old. Give it a rest will ya.
The test is simple - has it been the US/NATO/Israel being aggressive, or their opponents?
A third answer is 'some mix'
But the question is which party's aggression is primordial here.
putin can be all his detractors claim he is and he's still be less responsible for all this blood and chaos than Benjamin Netanyahu alone, nevermind the full power of the AngloZionist Banking and Mayhem Empire.
Of course You mean AngloZionist Banking Nazi Lizzard people elite.
Yes! Putin stands against them. And to do that - he must steal away russian money with corrupt projects as this:
Russia Awards Lucrative Crimea Bridge Contract to Putin's Cronyor this:
16 Eye-Popping Examples Of Alleged Corruption At The Sochi Olympicsor any other such kind of projects. Putin need to fight against open tenders because than it will not go to it's people but to those who are supported by AngloZionist Banking Nazi Lizzard people elite.
This is a sure sign of an idiot and ukro-troll.
Go dung for the winter assemble, and then jumping...
If you're a Russian than I am a Martian.
Look at this map to understand what will happen with the Kurds. We will support them until they reach the planned map delimitation. We will bomb them (or support ISIS) when they go to far. https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=reshaping+the+middle+east&hl=fr&so...
Also if you look at the ISIS control map in Iraq you will see that they mostly follow the "Sunni IRAQ" division line (ISIS is seen as being Sunni). http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2015/2-november-weapons-cache-seized-by-ira...
The Yanks are the worlds champion Patsies.
You may as well wear a nose ring so we can lead you around.
Here Goyim, there Goyim. Kill that one, Goyim. Say this, Goyim. Read that, Goyim.
It so just so disheartening to see my people in this state.
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
The Federal government is authorized to use the military for the defense of the US. All of their actions abroad are not only outside that mandate but jeopardizing the safety of the citizens it's entrusted to protect.
Sell the F15 narrative and test out new drone technology on live targets.
I think what they;re trying to say is, only the USA can terrorize another country, so stop trying to steal our turf we are trying to steal.
this fuckin world is not black and white.
and msm ist not trustworthy but some grain of valid information must be in the daily vomit.
on german msn russia and murica are testing a new common comm system for jets over syria.
we are all dealt with in modern times.
A collective madness has descended upon Washington and its allies and the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
For Washington to send F15s into a war zone is a direct provocation and can only mean it intends to use them. This will not end well.
The typical ZH news flash. THEY are all war mongering idiots, just not the author:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/russia-planes-safety-test-syria-15...
USA government say a lot of things. In this age of time ... most of it is just a plain and proven lie.
War mongering counties in the world?? That is only 1 country ... The USA and nobody else.
All that drum beating of the superiority of the US aviation technology over Russia is very dubious. How any western airplane dog fighter will effectively fight against Russian jets when being jammed and not be able to see any Russian aircraft with their radars? Russia has radars that can see any types of aircraft including F22, F35 If needed the F15 can be shot down from some of the Russian S350 missiles or the S400. Russia has the best jammers in the world as we speak and this I learned from western sources.
Imagine you drive your car with all of your electronics on your car not operating? How much of its abilites can you use?
If I have to bet my money I wouldn't put it on F15. Chances are at least 70% for the SU 30 M2 to win against the F15
The good news is of course when Pentacon Kill Industries can no longer bomb the rest of humanity with impunity there is always the impoverished protoplast that the Washing town thugocracy used to call its citizens.
Onward ever faster to the collapse of the USSA that the rest of the planet is praying for.
F-15 is a great fucking plane. Last of the V8s. I think the Russians should give it the respect it deserves and wheel in the S500s.
Current gen 300s would do.
This is kind of a mistake. The rule is if you are stupid shut your mouth, say nothing and let everybody think you are smart.
And you can bet the USA will start bombing Syrian forces.
Does the USA really want to take the risk of displaying there military equipment inferior to Russian? Which is what will happen if a F15 gets into a dog fight, as has already been shown trials a few times, scary for the US DoD.
Also will be interesting if Syria/Russia invite Chinese into help, Chinese 'peace keepers' forces mixed with Syrian, means US would be bombing Chinese soldiers, not so cosher as bombing Russia troops.
But we see what is happening. USA trying to provoke a fight with China and Russia. South China sea, Ukraine, Syria.
US desperate to start a bigger shooting confrontation with Russia via proxy reasons. Maybe they want to test the military capabilities of each to know how far they are behind?
In anycase maintaining the status quo as it is right now is fine for Russia as it stops Israel/USA getting what they want in Syria and just drains more from the USA.
And I think maybe the US would want to avoid a direct dog fight with a Russia fighter to avoid embarassment back at home, and further errosion of global respect for their hegemony.
The problem is
The Chinese are pussies. Because their government feels, and is vulnerable.
Make no mistake, in that Spratleys farce, Uncle Scam just called China a 'faggot' to its face and China did nothing but shit in its diapers.
They need to send *divisions* to Syria now.
Which was likely the plan all along.
Wait until the inevitable civil war in the American Deep State.
Oh, zero inside info, I just studied "The Prince" too, but also the history of the Medici.
These people are savages, destitute of humanity because they are Evil. They can not possibly not begin to turn on each other as others prepare to turn on them.
What if, by the way, Israel simply sold out the US to Russia/China in exchnge for concessions about land and regional hegemony those powers would effortlessly agree to?
Israel's loyalty to the United States is wholly pragmatic, not the loyalty of friend or ally.
Best remember that, Frodo.
Actually the USA are pussies.
The last fight they won was in WWII, and then only with help of the russians who actually won the real fight against the nazi.
Clearly the US is just securing an area of Syria in case they need to build another $43 million dollar gas station somewhere in the region.
Not for pumping gas tho by gee by golly. I just needz a twinkie.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/11/02/usa-afghanistan-idINL1N12X1LI20...
UiSiSA + ISISrael: "ISIS B US!"
(HaHaHA!!! SUCKERS!!! LOL!!! DumbFUKKS!!!)
that was a pretty quick responce from the US military
Sending F16's against the Russians would be a suicide mission. Their jamming technology gives them a great edge.
Of course, if they shoot down an F16, it might just be the catalyst the US is looking for.
USA wants to fight air to air and sends F15C's ???
Last generation was better then current genereation it seems.
But we all knew that already. Just the people in the pentagon and white house didnt.... they just keep spending and spending.
Very easy with other people their tax money.
This system called democracy is broken en "regular" people need to fix it.
another russian plane down, this time a cargo plane, 40 dead: https://www.rt.com/news/320710-antonov-plane-crash-landing/ ... edit: now they say it's not russian...
local sudanese carrier, old soviet era plane
Anatov's are made in Ukraine.
Audit the fed so we can find out exactly wtf is going on here.
obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E
Why we keep falling from sky? I say to Putin - WHY?
Russian-made cargo plane crash in South Sudan leaves 'at least 40 dead'Ou Putin - please make it stop! Please! Why? WhY? Stop these western sanctions! We can't live without west tehnology!
You are a disgusting troll. Do you really think people fall for this shit? If it's satire I think you should busy yourself with something else.
Antonov State Company formerly the Antonov Aeronautical Scientific-Technical Complex(Antonov ASTC), and earlier the Antonov Design Bureau, is a Ukrainian aircraft manufacturing and services company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov
I spy a Latvian troll posting now as "forputin".
na this turd hails from murka.
CIA-Sponsored Trollson workverboten is what Tyler needs to make forputin.
moroninski
The cargo plane only had one Russian aboard.
Forgot about the civil war in South Sudan, Moroninski. Why am I not surprised?
You fail!!! What a dumb troll you are.
This post just proves that you are not Russian. Hell you probably don't even speak Russian. Had you been from Russia or even Ukraine you would have know that those planes are not Russian.
Go Russia Go!!!
Why am I cheering against the U.S.?
Because we are led by a bunch of sell out traitors.
May the first missile fired please take Washington D.C. off the face of the earth?
And another plane crash in Sudan! Also Russian, a cargo flight.
According to Sputnik, there was only one Russian, crew member, aboard the plane.
The builder, Antonov, said the plane had not undergone inspection and was not permited to fly.
There is a brutal civil war in South Sudan now.
USAF should send two seat fighters so they can bring thier boyfriends ....
Lindsey Graham demanding WW3.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca1_1446589694&comments=1
That fucker Graham is clearly insane.
Lindsay Graham is an angry closeted gay ... he needs to come out of the closet.
"The Arabs are not going to accept this. The people in Syria are not going to accept this. This is a half assed strategy at best."
Fuck you, you fucking cunt! You don't represent the Arabs or the Syrians. Fucking cocksucker.
Hey!
Lindsay Graham is a two time winner of the US Senate's Miss Congeniality award.
Nothing a half white gay president can't handle with his phone and pen. A few dead US pilots means nothing to him. The danger here is that Putin is clearly the intellectually superior, however the brown clown can get passive aggressive and suddenly escalate simply because moochelle came home for the weekend. Actually, even I can understand that. sad sad
… American war ships were coming, American troops were attacking, Qatar and Saudi were attacking, downed UAV in Turkey was Russian. You are journalists like Obama is chess player : you make a few million theories, shoot bull-shits, if one of them happens, then you strut around like you was right.
LOL. F15s?
Surely they would want to send the F22 and F35 to assure the best possible cover? No?
The F22 and 35 are pork turkeys, they'll never be allowed to see combat.
The F22s worth is very much wrapped up in its stealth capabilities. Should it end up not being very stealthy, its probably *just* on the par with the Su30. The F22 isn't that new anymore, and the USAF lost interest in fighters, now focusing on drones (not yet ready for prime time) and the F35 a.k.a "the flying bradley vehicle" (forever condemned to be "not yet ready").
The Russians have taken into account the advances in the F22 and F35 and incorprated them where possible in their new designs. They are also interested in drones, but still give the manned fighters the attention they deserve.
As a result, the Russians fighters are very likely better, perhaps *much* better, than the US fighters, including the F22 and F35.
My bet is that stealth is very much oversold by the MIC.
Of course it is. Because stealth means more $'s for the MIC.
Dont know why the debate ovre the F15, it already failed against the Russian fighters in a few trials now.
Send in the F35s, that'll be a laugh.
F35s aren't fighters, they're a multi role aircraft. F-15 and F-22 are the fighters.
I think the coruption of the US defence military industrial complex, concentrating on profits and how much money they can feed to the corporations put their technologicl advancement back. Whilst Russia and China were concentrating on techical advancement.
And the F35s are the best example of corruption. Gagantuan amounts of money thrown down the toilet for a bucket of shit. But all the righ people got rich out of it no doubt. Hope they don't need to depend on these in any comming war...
Obama is an anal-scum-bag pig-fucker ...
Obama is not a fucker,. He is definitely the fuckee .... (I misspelled definitely and the spell check suggested effeminately. ..... ROTFLMAO)
A few years ago the U.S. Air Force F-15C was flown against Indian A.F. Su-27 in Alaskan war games. The Su-27 achieved a 9 to 1 kill ratio.
http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/18/su-30-beat-f-15-everytime/
It is believed that the Su-27 was operating its radar in training mode during those exercises, to mask its true capabilities from the US.
Still did well.
Bambi center stage. Bambi, you are wanted center stage.
I dont get why the US continues to be intruders. Why they keep invading other countries territories in the middle east. Its all Nethanyahu's fault. That psycopath.
Then they wonder why they have terrorists, when the US itself is a terrorist country, exherting terror on other peoples territory.
Meanwhile somewhere in Syria: Syrian army recaptures Aleppo supply route
Sacraficial lambs..served up on a plate...
We're insane. We're literally insane.
I predict rampant incidences of inverted flights and the giving of the bird.
I predict Randy Quaid recieves a commission. He's batshit insane. You need thast against the Ruskies.
Dear Jesus
Please tell one of these Eagle drivers to follow your word, not fly air support for the Jihadis, and defect to the Russians so they can get access to the f-15 radar package.
Amen
Your lack of knowledge is disturbing.
http://www.thedailystar.net/the-yinon-plan-and-the-role-of-the-isis-31469
Sweet love of God lets at least tell it like it is...
The USA is there to bomb the Syrian forces
The Russians are there to bomb both the rebel forces and ISIS.
Lets HOPE like hell that this does not break out into a world war. Both Russia and the USA are lying their butts off about what they are doing there. I don't see how we are not going to have a Russian/American engagement of some sort. The big question is what will happen when that comes to pass.
You are wrong! The Commander in Chief has already stated why the F-15 C is going to Turkey. "We will shoot your planes out of the sky" was the quote.
If WWIII is to be fought, now is the time to do it. Good luck everyone.
It really does not matter the F15C is still a 1970's air frame and engine combination that is basically out classed with all Russian machines post SU27 , So come on yanks commit suicide and remember you have to get past the S300 and S350's well before the dog fight begins!