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Victim Body Parts Suggest "Powerful Explosion" Most Likely Cause Of Russian Airplane Crash
On Monday evening, we brought you the latest from what will almost undoubtedly end up being one of the year’s biggest stories.
According to US officials, an infrared satellite detected a “heat flash” concurrent to the mid-air disaster that caused a Russian passenger jet to crash in the Sinai Peninsula killing all 224 people on board. This, the defense official contended, takes the missile theory off the table but does suggest that there could have been an explosion on the plane, either a fuel tank or a bomb.
Although it’s impossible to say whether a video released by ISIS in the hours after the crash is authentic, the assessment detailed above would be broadly consistent with what the footage appears to show.
Not everyone is convinced. A competing theory revolves around whether an incident that saw the plane scrape its tail on a runway in 2001 might have contributed to the catastrophe.
Now, Russian media says that according to an Egyptian forensic expert, victims’ injuries seem to point to a mid-air explosion. Here’s Sputnik:
According to an Egyptian forensic expert, an analysis of injuries sustained by victims of the Russian airliner crash on Saturday in Egypt shows that a mid-air explosion might have occured aboard the Airbus A321 passenger jet, RIA Novosti reported.
On October 31, an Airbus A321 operated by the Russian airline Kogalymavia crashed in the Sinai Peninsula en route to St. Petersburg from the Egyptian resort city of Sharm El-Sheikh. The tragedy has become the largest civilian aircraft disaster in Russian and Soviet history.
"A large number of body parts may indicate that a powerful explosion took place aboard the plane before it hit the ground," said an Egyptian forensic expert who took part in the examination of the bodies of the A321 crash victims.
According to the expert, a DNA analysis would be needed to identify the victims of the Russian airliner crash in Egypt.
In no uncertain terms: the fact that there were body parts scattered in an 8 kilometer radius is all you need to know about what caused the plane to crash.
Still, Egypt’s civil aviation ministry says there's as yet no "proof" to support Moscow's claims that the plane broke apart. Here's Reuters:
Spokesman Mohamed Rahmi said there was no proof yet that the plane had broken up in flight. "This could be a long process and we can’t talk about the results as we go along,” he said.
Well, sure you can, and a lot of people are. Despite Rahmi's contention that no evidence exists that the plane exploded (you know, other than the video from the terrorists which shows it exploding and the testimony of a forensic expert), he did confirm that no distress call was received from the pilot:
“No communication from the pilot was recorded at the navigation centers requesting anything,” he told Reuters.
We'll close with the following from Bloomberg and leave it to readers to draw their own conclusions given everything noted above:
More than a decade before it burst into pieces mid-air, the Russian jetliner that crashed in Egypt on Saturday scraped its tail on a runway during landing and needed to be repaired.
Investigators poring over wreckage of the Metrojet Airbus Group SE A321 in Egypt’s Sinai peninsula will be taking a close look at a 2001 repair to the plane’s tail because it is one of the few things known to cause the type of sudden midair breakup that occurred Saturday, said John Goglia, a former airline mechanic who served on the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board.
“If the engineering is done right, it’s not an issue. If the repair follows the engineering data, it’s not an issue,” said Goglia, who isn’t involved in the Metrojet investigation. “But a breakdown in any one of those can and has resulted in catastrophic failures.”
While it may take years for a repair to eventually crack enough to fail, that can lead to a violent explosion damaging an aircraft, according to accident reports.
Such a failure occurred in 2002 when China Airlines Flight 611 flying from Taiwan to Hong Kong broke apart at the spot where the Boeing Co. 747’s tail was repaired 22 years earlier.
Japan Airlines Flight 123 hit a mountain in 1985 after a similar repair came apart, claiming 520 lives. When the repair let loose, it blew off the vertical fin rising out of the tail. Without that fin, the plane couldn’t be controlled.
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ISIS has claimed responsibility. They even apparently filmed the plane exploding. ISIS is CIA.
This is big trouble.
Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assadhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-...
ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America”
By Jean Shaoul
30 July 2014
The fact remains, however, that the US, the major European powers, and their regional allies all previously lent financial, military and political support to ISIS and similar groups, which have “Made in the USA” stamped all over them. They have, until now, played a significant part in Washington’s efforts to overthrow the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, as part of a broader effort to gain control of the region’s vast energy resources and transit routes.
The Western powers, flush with success after organising an Islamist insurgency in Benghazi in order to justify NATO’s overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, thought they could use similar forces to overthrow Assad in Syria, whose regime draws its main base of support from the Alawite sect, a Shi’a offshoot, and Sunni businessmen.
For three years, the US, along with the Gulf states and Turkey, poured billions into “opposition” groups, supposedly to unnamed “moderates,” but in reality to Al Qaeda-linked Sunni groups such as al-Nusra and ISIS to spearhead a sectarian war. The US, Turkey and Jordan have operated a base in Jordan where US instructors trained dozens of ISIS members. In an article last year, the New York Times confirmed that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey by airlifting weaponry to these groups in Jordan and Turkey. The Guardian reported last March that British and French instructors were also involved.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
The bear has been poked. Watch the claws hit back.
Somanabachi! This is fargin war!
Indeed Boris... Indeed
Who has the motivation, skill, experience with downing civilian aircraft, and finances to send shock waves through the Russian population? Who has the need to discredit Putin?
I think the answer is very straight forward.
It is such a slow moving train wreck, complete with the old repeats where airplanes fall out of the sky, that this poor comedy act needs to change.
Kind of O/T, but here is a video of a bear attacking a SUV after being run over:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC4LvthZR-U
Regards,
Cooter
But the MSM SWORE this was a mechanical issue. They were DESPERATE to get the narrative out that it was a mechanical issue.
Tinfoil Hat Gang: 1
Main Stream Media: 0
It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced. EMP ATTACK!
All the weapons in the world won't matter once ISIS army kick into gear!
http://motivationdose.com/electromagnetic-pulse-attack-emp-blackout-usa-...
""It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced. EMP ATTACK!""
Its True... Easiest way to take down a country, any country for 1 2 3 years... Just
kill all the electric power...
Perhaps the most worrying part of this is how it also lowers the treshold for deploying tactical nuclear weapons.
Simple: ISUS want their war.
ISUS being Israel-saudi-U.S.
That much is very clear from the zio press: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/31/new-york-post-new-york-times-was...
WOW cool..
So the massively INTELLIGENT spy satellite know it all US spook freaks saw the heat flash over Syria but they could not see the 30 mm rounds over Vickey’s Ukraine ?????
Go Figure
Eveything points to a planted bomb.
http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/10/russian-airliner-takedown-over-si...
Planted bombs are old school. Now we use EM weapons, and then pretend it was a bomb planted by terrorists.
"It's the greatest threat global security has ever faced. EMP ATTACK!"
No. That is a big security threat, but 1000s of megatonnes of nuclear warheads are worse - they still give you all the EMP, but also incineration, blast and radioactive fallout.
If someone is going to attack me, I would much prefer they use EMP than nukes.
I think you are selling the tinfoil hat gang short.
..."defense official contended, takes the missile theory off the table"...
Yes, because missiles don't generate heat when they explode. Sheese.
/sarc
Pretty sure an Internet video is to blame.
Who was on the plane, Russian gangsters, maybe? This was a resort area. I ran into some down in Cancun several years ago. Never felt so naked in my whole life, Mexico won't let you carry a weapon. I left early and I doubt if I'll ever go back. I can definitely see rival gangsters planting a bomb and blaming ISIS. This happened on the same day I was originally scheduled to leave;
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/02/04/mexico.general/index.html
They still are, by the looks of it....although that might begin to wane if too much evidence to the contrary slips out of the MSM Gatekeepers control. I know they've cited two other incidents where similar repairs supposedly resulted in midair breakups....but NO WAY does a repair that takes 14 or 22 YEARS to finally fail catastrophically.....NOT get caught during interim scheduled maintenance intervals. In fact, such repairs become a mandatory inspection item by default if they are in structurally critical areas.
Yay Points!
Word to your mother>
There is a new revelation which if true bolsters the bomb/missile hypothesis:
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/03-11-2015/132481-airbus_sinai_crash-0/
However, breaking news.
Forensic experts have divided the remains of the victims so far returned to St Petersburg into two groups. First those whose bodies were found in the forward and central part of the aircraft, and secondly those whose bodies were found towards the tail. Injuries to those in the first group are traumas expected with an aircraft crash, while those in the second group have been burnt and many have metal particles and other parts of the aircraft embedded in them, injuries that can really only be caused by an explosion and the forensic experts say that these bodies show what could be termed the effects of a thermal blast shockwave.
http://lifenews.ru/news/167897
The baggage hold of the airbus is directly under where these passegers would have sat from rear of the wings to the tail.
I hate flying...the check-in, tsa grabbing my balz, long waits, possibility of a tsa thug stealing something from my bag, and on and on. And now this!
This is just another reason NOT to fly ... unless you absolutely have to.
Travel used to be lots of fun; now it's a nightmare.
Last time I flew the TSA dood only gave me a half assed pat down... I left feeling so dissatisfied. If you're going to do a job, do it right (complete with a reach around and a finger up me bum!!!)
My favorite TSA feelers are at Asian airports where most of the agents are actually young beautiful females. I usually walk thorugh several times it feels so good.
Sounds better than Dublin I had a 60 odd year old Irish one going at it. Was my fault for needing to go through times due to forgetting I had pockets. This is what a week in Dublin does to you though.
Powerful informative update! +100
If so, this narrows down the event. Here also is a tidbit I picked up off of Russian newsites comment sections. " Someone needs to examine the 2-3 Ukrainians aboard, history now proves they will do anything, no matter how bloody".
I found that an interesting take on the crash, nobody yet suspects a Ukrainian operation. Mark my words, the Nazi movement in Ukraine at present is prepared to do anything, and I mean anything!
Great analogy, don't poke/run over the bear
Russia is not comparable to the Soviet Union.
lol
#Bearlivesmatter
Who has the motivation, skill, experience with downing civilian aircraft, and finances to send shock waves through the Russian population? Who has the need to discredit Putin?
I don't know 'who' does have the skill, but Hilary R Clinton does, and the financing too... as well as the apparent ability to keep it all hush-hush and on the down-low.
And the proxy part is about to end it would seem.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/03/u-s-brings-dogfighters-...
F-15s to go against ISIS' airforce?!?!?! The only other fighters in the sky are the Russian jets...
*snip*
Officially, the deployment of F-15C Eagle twin-engine fighters to Incirlik, Turkey—which the Pentagon announced late last week—is meant to “ensure the safety” of America’s NATO allies, Laura Seal, a Defense Department spokesperson, told The Daily Beast.
That could mean that the single-seat F-15s and the eight air-to-air missiles they routinely carry will help the Turkish air force patrol Turkey’s border with Syria, intercepting Syrian planes and helicopters that periodically stray into Turkish territory.
But more likely, the F-15s will be escorting attack planes and bombers as they strike ISIS militants in close proximity to Syrian regime forces and the Russian warplanes that, since early October, have bombed ISIS and U.S.-backed rebels fighting the Syrian troops.
Seal declined to discuss the deployment in detail, but hinted at its true purpose. “I didn’t say it wasn’t about Russia,” she said.
Fucking cunt just rubbing it in your face.
Digging deeper into the second link and transcript:
Q: That was -- that was my -- one of my questions. But I also want to clarify on Barbara’s point about the Russians. So if I understand this, the U.S. is putting 50 American service members into Syria with the hope that Russia will not strike where they're at right now?
I -- I just -- help me clarify if we're -- if the United States isn't communicating with Russia -- I get that the majority of the strikes aren't in that area, but the United States has done a really poor job so far predicting what Russia's going to do in Syria.
SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: So -- of course, whenever we put U.S. forces on the ground in any situation, force protection is our primary concern. So we will, first and foremost, do everything the military believes is required to keep themselves safe, and if that includes potentially talking to the Russians, we're open to it.
We have not, as of yet, communicated with the Russians, and I do not know of a plan to do that, to be -- we have lots of means we can communicate with them.
You know that the -- Secretary Kerry is speaking with the Russians right now. We have opened a channel based on our safety protocols that we established, about Syria. So we have multiple ways to do that.
As of right now, we have no plan to communicate with the Russians, but we would always do whatever we had to to protect our forces going into a new place.
Q: And why wouldn't you communicate with the Russians?
SENIOR DEFENSE OFFICIAL: I think the Russians, first of all, have quite significant visibility on what happens in -- in and around Syria. So there's pretty good visibility for all parties on where our forces are, where our planes are.
That became very, very clear during our negotiations over our -- these safety protocols. And, again, I can't -- it's not that it's not -- not --may not happen. I just don't know of a plan at this time to coordinate with them, so.
These fuckers are setting up the deaths of American soldiers by Russian aircraft attack, or a US/Russian aircraft incident to protect said soldiers. I was hoping it was just connecting dots that shouldn't be.
I don't think that way now.
The "Moderate" rebels use women locked in cages as Human Shields.
US Military uses 50 Spec Ops as Human Shields.
Once again, the savages prove they know how to do something for a lot less money than the Obama & Co
The Russians are bombing ISIS....
We are sending fighters to stop that...
So the USAF is giving air support to ISIS????
Think of the hits on the youtube video from the go pro strapped to an AIM-9 Sidewinder as it slams into an SU-30. Obama will tweat that shit all over the place.
Winning of hearts and minds.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has signed a bill into law allowing foreigners to serve on a contract basis in the country’s armed forces. The law “was returned with the president’s signature” on Tuesday to the parliament, according to the Verkhovnaya Rada website. The legislation, passed by MPs on October 6, also allows foreigners and stateless persons to become officers in the military after acquiring Ukrainian citizenship.
Cue Black Sabbath's War Pigs.
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Will the Washington Zionists really push right to the brink of World War Three, just in order to topple Assad and turn Syria into a failed Islamic state?
We Americans allow this to continue. We refuse to act up. We know the police are prepared to crush any anti war movement. From both the inside and outside, anyone starting an anti war protest will be destroyed. The NSA will release information to your employer and potantial employers, thus you will never work again. If you do go to the streets to protest, tens of thousands of killer cops are armed like Navy Seals, and hate Americans more than Islamists!
And let's not forget that the same phone you are videoing said protest from is sending your info to the police and feds to give them a solid list to work from.
The invisible cage is built and locked.
I know we will never get out of life alive, but for fucks sake, let's take some of them with us on the way out.
To answer your question, no. I believe the Syrian operetta is but one theater in WWIII. Now add chess pieces in Ukraine, pieces in the South China Sea, Chinese bishops in Mayport starting today, a dozen F-15s the Turkey/Syria boarder to fight waswas' sun-blotting airforce...
The board is set.
""ISIS has claimed responsibility. They even apparently filmed the plane exploding. ISIS is CIA. This is big trouble. Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-... ISIS: The jihadist movement stamped “Made in America” ""
All Under Oilbamam, Nobel peace Laurate and 2009 Bankster Savior Friend, NAW......Never...
My mudder hung me on a hook once. Once.
I don't see how the US will "pin" this crash on the Russians, ie MH-17 incident.
It would be ironic that the target was a EU commercal plane false flag, to get the World Angry at the Russians again, but the ISIS operatives mistakenly bombed a Russian plane instead on a EU plane.
If ISIS did do it, Putin will respond but not in kind. We will not even hear about it because it will be all cloak and dagger but I would not want to be a CIA asset nor a senator that has been taking selfies with ISIS.
Let’s lay down our arms, my fellow oppositionist (letter from a bona fide Putin hater)http://thesaker.is/lets-lay-down-our-arms-my-fellow-oppositionist-letter...
Pray Wasilla gets bombed out.
You mean ala the Russian Afghanistan experience 1979-1989?
Jimi asks but are you experienced?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8-UXN_CYAY
Pass the hash pipe and the brake fluid!
You'll get back into shit, fag. Leave.
Yo momma!
Woah, it looks like you typical Nazi-Ukie. Equally dumb as they are.
Funny how "US officials" could see a heat flash hear but have nothing on MH17 shoot down.
The Russians aren't stupid. The proxy war is in the final innings. The main event is going to be stunning.
Agent Smith, your beard is coming off.
Dammit, it's the heat in this friggin' desert, Jones. It's melting the glue.
Do I have my turban on right?
I think so. Look! The tracking web site says the plane is close. Start the video so we can upload it to the WasWas website!
(Crackle on sat-radio)
Al-Ciaduh, this is Al-Mossaduh. Target nearing video point.
Roger, we're on it.
if it was a bomb there will be explosive residue... I imagine we'll know one way or the other soon enough
And remember folks: No boots on the ground.
Introducing barefoot soldier.
Flip flops. Army issued flip flops in camo colors
Or high heels
Are you refering to this article:
<b>Soldiers in high heels draw online outburst</b>
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/04/23/sex-assault-preventio...
"about 15 cadets from Temple University participated in a school-sponsored Walk a Mile in Her Shoes event, during which men stumble through a pre-set route while sporting high heels as a way to raise awareness for sexual assault victims."
How about Timberline Hiking Footwear?
"Not everyone is convinced. A competing theory revolves around whether an incident that saw the plane scrape its tail on a runway in 2001 might have contributed to the catastrophe."
Orrrrrr, it could be CIA-ISIS. You know, the group with the video as it took place.
That does make an interesting coincidence, does it not?
the plane (explosively) broke apart
US spy satellites saw a flash, no time for Mayday call, wreckage over wide area, plane broke in two, plane body opened outwards indicating bomb inside, plane fell like a stone at 6000 feet per minute, and bomb damage to passengers - all confirm bomb theory
Something like this out of the us and/or israel was entirely predictable.
the question is how long can Putin hold back his own nationalists who know who did it?
"Although it’s impossible to say whether a video released by ISIS in the hours after the crash is authentic"
lol.
The have telescopes, attached to iPhone6S, ye'know.
Could have been a faulty electrical connection in the fuel tank - you know, like the one that brought down flight 800...
/s
Honestly, those thinking the plane just innocently "fell apart" mid-air are either deliberately spinning mis-information, or are fucking idiots.
All of above, Alex.
No respect for human life, let alone the safety of women and children. Makes me sick. Whoever (whether it be ISIS, state-baked, or other) is involved here, whatever their agenda, should burn.....
Wonder if Airbus will come out and defend their product, or admit their planes are subject to mysteriously falling apart in flight LOL
Maybe it was an Airbus that hit WTC7?
They should be motivated to do so, given that Merkel was in China 3 days earlier and they signed for 100 A320 series planes.
"Coincidence", says Boeing.
(And still no ZH light bulbs are switching on)
Yeah there was an explosion....it was, erm, on tape.
What caused the explosion no one knows.
Obama:"We killed some folks."
"Now where is my caddy?".
"Reggie, where the fuck wre you?"
I was kinda wondering what caused the taping. Why would someone just happen to aim a camera at a plane flying by? Planes fly by all the time, they are pretty much just common birds any more.
Why not video it? Isn't it a desert out there? Maybe taping the occasional camel and airplane relieves the boredom.
And look at the idiotic things people video here. Ask Anthony Weiner that one.
Look for the perps... dancing on a minivan..
Israel did it, believing themselves bulletproof, to send a 'message' then bombed Syria the next day - to kill Lebanese and Iranian troops AS they were fighting "ISIS" -Israel's golem.
But it will be interesting theater in the media, for sure.
On the day those jokers sent a barely coded message via twitter:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/01/halloween-fail-israeli-air-force...
Putin has his own jewish influence problem within Russia. Putin even pardoned a jewish crimiinal and forced another to be sentenced to house arrest (which he then violated).
Israel may be untouchable by Putin.
Yaas, and in other news, that Russia air campaign that has degraded ISIS by 40% in 6wks somehow
missed these guys: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34693670
Steve walks warily down the street w/ the brim pulled way down low;
ain't no sound but the sound of his feet;
machine gun ready to go;"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
MANPADS for everyone! Raytheon has a model to fit your individual needs!
We can provide you w/ PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY! Thanks Vladdy!
Hey! You are ready for this? Is keep you on edge of you are seat?
"Outta the doorway the Stingers rip;
To the sound of the beat. LOOK OUT!
BOMP. BOMP. BOMP.
ANother one bites the dust!
ANother one bites the dust;
And another one gone and another one gone;
Another one bites the dust!
Maybe one of those stingers will hit the plane you're on to Fire Island.
Too bad asshole.
well - you clearly don't know about the operational limits of stinger aa missiles.
And the lyrics thing - meh.
Fucking internet warrior Ukrainian mother. Ass Lyashko climbs, not otherwise.
And when you woke up you beat the jizz out of your little fellow.
"Only two weeks after the Russian Airbus blew apart in mid-air, an El Al airliner mysteriously vanished over the Atlantic Ocean this morning. Back to you, Coop."
"Thanks. That was Wolf Blitzed on the scene of the latest disaster. We apologize for the shaky video, but Blitzed reported high seas in the area the aircraft vanished."
maybe you missed the memo. The US and Israel have been pouring in weapons and new mercs to support "ISIS"
Washington Post Confirms: ISIS Supplied Via Turkey, a US Excuse to Seize Syria
http://www.landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/11/washington-post-confirms-i...
U.S. Stopped Syria Air Strikes While Nusra And IS Prepared Attack On Government Supply Route
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/us-stopped-syria-air-strikes-while-...
US Invasion of Syria Begins
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/10/us-invasion-of-syria-begins.html
US Caught Faking It in Syria
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/12/us-caught-faking-it-in-syria/
Russia and China have an MIC, too.
I missed the memo?
I wrote the memo several weeks ago when I replied to a thread
in which I wrote that if I were a CIA spook (and I am not), that I
would introduce anti-armor weapons (I said Hellfires--turns out it was TOWs),
and anti a/c weapons into the Syrian theater among other things including boots on the ground in Iraq
and/or Syria.
Bang Vladdy's gong! Get it on!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDqjOWsy3TE
Vlad needs to wipe out Al-Nusra before the US Fighting 69th "Gay Brigade" crosses the Turkish border.
You missed the memo, friendo.
Putin Tells Everyone Exactly Who Created ISIS
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2015/11/02/putin-tells-everyone-exactly-w...
The Syrian campaign has been so popular that an attempt to organise an anti-war demo failed spectacularly: only one hundred fifty persons gathered, in all of 15 million strong Moscow.
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2015/10/23/522240secrets-of-the-syrian-wa...
NATO is desperate. The Pentagon is desperate. Imagine waking up one day in Washington and Brussels just to realize Russia has the ability to electronically jam — detect, trace, disable, destroy — NATO electronics within a 600 km range across Syria (and southern Turkey). Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, commander of U.S. Army units in Europe, was even forced to qualify Russian electronic warfare capabilities in Ukraine as “eye-watering.” For their part, caught in the crossfire as sitting ducks or headless chickens, that mighty ideological aircraft carrier known as the USS Think Tankland was left dabbling with the four options left for Washington to “achieve its goals” in Syria. ...
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2015/10/29/522313the-empire-of-chaos-is-i...
which Vladdy's gong would that be?
Yours or his?
we'll have to wait and see if you're found floating face down in the East Riber.
Attacking supply lines is a game the entire Family can play. Rated E for Everyone.
Bring out the Russian 24/7 scout drones.
it's quite miraculous
ISIS went all the way from Syria to the Sinai and they "Kept off the Israeli Grass".
That 'keep off the grass' sign was in Hebrew and they hadno problem reading it.
Hmmm. The wreckage looks nothing like the plane that crashed in the middle of a field in PA on 9/11. Funny that...
If John McTraitor gave ISIS stingers we should wrap him up in a box with a bow on it and deliver him to Putin.
Which.... brings us right back to the Pentagon or Shanksville. What kind of explosion leaves no body parts?
Stop that! No critical thinking allowed.
An explosion occuring where there were no bodies present?
A double or triple-tap missile strike on an already crashed plane.
The Pentagon must have called in the Wolfman to clean up before the first responders arrived. Shanksville, not so sure.
A nucular splosion!
A ficticious one, along with a ficticious airplane.
The Shanksville story, like wtc 1, 2, and the pentgram is a pile a STINKING SHIT. The angle of incidence, untouched grassy border, burnt forest, let's roll, cell phone calls, debris and corpse field, is pure and absolute BULLSHIT.
Their house of cards is falling and the only logical step is to stop our internet activity before a real critical mass of logical thought and action occurs.
Either the Shanksville plane and its titanium engines vaporised on impact or are too deeply buried under the earth to dig up. These things happen. /s
Hands up if you think that it was an accident. (Rhetorical Question)
The agenda roles on......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/10/time-travel-is-no-l...
wasnt this was bat boy was trying to tell everyone?
/s
A tail breaking off of an airliner probably doesn't strew human body parts over an 8 km radius. People will be dead of course, but bodies would not be torn apart and scattered in pieces.
Where did the explosion come from - within or without is the only question it seems. There is video of the exploding airliner. Did 'terrorists' just happen to be videoing an airliner when it suddenly exploded and then claim responsibility?
It is still most likely to have been shot down by Zio thugs ala ukraine hit
The quotes from the "expert-not-involved" in the investigation do a great job of glossing over the fact that the article in no way explains how a tail breaking off the jet causes a mid-air explosion. They provide the what, but not the mechanics as to how this happens. Perhaps further updates will clarify how this can happen, if it can. Otherwise, I call shenanigans.
Pretty good bet Vlad already knows what happened. I just wish I knew ,so I can make sure I am not near anything he's pissed at
Apparently the plane passed technical inspection prior to takeoff. I wonder who performed the inspection, perhaps the CIA, Mossad? I think they would have made sure to find everything to their liking.
Funny they can pin-point a small explosion on aircraft from Satellites, but MH370... Not so much...
When it fits the narrative, we'll know
The obvious question was whether or not the bodies on the Jap crash had burned up bodes like this one.
How come no one asks the obvious questions?
Why did Obama immediately send all the WTC debris overseas to be melted down?
huh??? obama??
Wow-- that comment is so 1984 that it defies belief.
Obama didn't take office until 2009, and most of the clean-up had been completed by 9/29/01. Hell, the U.S.S. New York was commissioned in 2006, made from recycled steel from WTC.
Obama has done a lot of bad shit, and he should be prosecuted and imprisoned (IMHO), but to pin the decision not to preserve evidence on him nearly a decade before he became president... ...who the fuck are you people?
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html
WTF?
/s ?
Dude what the fuck are you even talking about...
If you are some sort of Russian/Syrian/Iranian disinformation troll -- you should get you pay cut to a negative rate for complete dumbassery...
obvious questions = conspiraccy theory.
Plausible Deniability means just that.
THAT particular aircraft was selected for the assignment.
+1 for "plausible deniability"
perhaps, yes
and yes, it could have been ISIS. but the theory (which I see here at several places) of equating ISIS to CIA has a problem
then this kind of things are all about keeping plausible deniability. meaning that whoever helped ISIS to kick off will not be found that easily in control of ISIS
and the best way to do that is by not having control over them
like a Hellfire missile, it's "fire and forget". and like that, it can also mean that after the missile is on it's way, the pilot might get a "oh, wrong target" moment and can't stop the missile anymore
ultimately, financing and arming rebels is one of the oldest tools in the "divide and rule" kit of empires, besides being one of the nastiest and cruellest
huh?
you don't coordinate air strikes with a windup toy.
you do so when you coordinate with them.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/us-stopped-syria-air-strikes-while-...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/12/us-caught-faking-it-in-syria/
look around - Israel coordinated strikes during offenses, too.
No, Mr. Ghordius - you have a theory which fits well in an Ian Fleming novel, and there is some level of chaos below brigade level, or whatever they have..
but the IS is most assuredly CIA/Mossad/MI6.
"but the IS is most assuredly CIA/Mossad/MI6."
REALLY?
Then for the millionth time -- WHY won't Putin bomb ISIS and for that matter the terror group Hezbollah?
Do you really think the ENTIRE world can't see what happening here? From Iceland to Tokyo, the world reads day after day Putin refuses to bomb ISIS. People aren't stupid, Thw world knows EXACTLY what that means...
AS IF YOU KNOW WHAT PUTIN IS BOMBING.
WHEN DOES HE TELL YOU?
WHEN HIS COCK IS UP YOUR ASS HALF WAY TO YOUR THROAT?
Evidence of CIA/Mossa dbacking of ISIS is abundant and you know it.
Your "evidence" consists of the false claim that Russia is not bombing "ISISA" {CIA/Mossad proxies} at all.
They have - but they are also bombing other foreign mercenary terror groups - "Al Nusra" and others.
This is because they are the most direct threat to the Syrian government and to the coast.
That's why.
I now think you're just here to be a troll because were you honest you'd bring up how the US managed to not degrade ISIS in 18 months. Youre focused on 3 weeks of Russian action, and you're wrong/lying that they haven't hit ISIS at all.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/us-stopped-syria-air-strikes-while-...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/12/us-caught-faking-it-in-syria/
And if you're not a troll, try calming down and considering the evidence that the US and Israel have been behind ISIS from day one.
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and slightly OT
Trump Says He's OK With Russia Bombing ISIS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-russia-bomb-isis_562e15...
THIS is a large part of why Trump is suddenly not getting coverage and Carson, we are told by the MSM, is inexplicably suddenly leading [I thought the Tea Party was all racists, MSM - which is it??]
Fact checkers confirm Ben Carson hasn’t made one true statement since his campaign began
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fact-checkers-confirm-ben-carson-hasnt-...
The US is not behind ISIS and never has been. How do we know? Because how could it be kept secret. It's simple as that.
Consider this. Suppose the US was behind ISIS for sake of argument, we train and supply them (impossible) and then we call in an Australian F18 airstrike on ISIS -- whom we supposedly control/own/operate/whatever.
WHAT would ISIS then do?
1) They would scream from the roof top about their CIA training, their CIA supplied weapons, they would name CIA names all over the place because we set them up as patsies and now we are killing them. You REALLY think they'd just roll over and not mention this?
2) What if ISIS memebers were to be captured by friendly coalition forces, then under interrogation they decide to use option #1 above? See this is it! If that were to happen, the enitre shit show would be around the US ankles in about thirty seconds. I M P O S S I B L E. Period.
There is NO way this could be kept even remotely secret -- and therefore we (the US) would NEVER even consider it. Period.
Sure. And a lone nut killed Kennedy. A conspiracy could NEVER have been kept secret.
Newsflash: it wasn't kept secret. The bodycount confirms it.
Ditto 9/11, Oklahoma City bombing, etc etc etc.
I always love the "How could it be kept secret?" line, when people are openly discussing something which purportedly cannot be kept secret.
Apparently the irony of this goes right over disinfo agent's heads. What they should say is "If it were true, there would be rumors, and evidence, and uuuh... There are rumors and evidence."
Why rumors? Because if you have PROOF you will be killed, ALA Serena Shim.
The strongest "evidence" in any of this is Putins reticance and outright refusal to bomb ISIS.
Why is that? Bangladesh wants to know, Sri Lanka wants to know, The Phillipines wan to know and on and on. The entire WORLD wants to know.
Here' is the 21st Century "politicians dilema" They lie through their teeth and they expect people to believe it. This is ALL politicians to include the US Congress -- and yes Putin. The dilema is that they've never had to confront Twitter, Google, Facebook et al before. This means before their mouths quit moving the entire world can call them on their lies. Putin is no exception. But Putins lies are so outrageous and so ridiculous (MH17 as an example) that the world now thinks of Russia as a bunch of dimwitted idiots that can't be trusted about anything. Putin is actually destroying the reputation of the good Russian PEOPLE themselves!
You blatantly lie, as always.
Gamma Wormtongue
I just reread the US Constitution and I couldn't find any mention of the America's Chief Administrator being in charge of Global Definitions.
Namely, what the word "moderate" should mean to every nation on the planet.
I guess our president thinks that it can mean rebels with a cause who have only shot their rifles at a nation's army and police, but their hearts really weren't in to it.
And most of them only killed in medium double digit soldiers, and never got into the triple digits even when they threw Molotov Cocktails at police vans and busses.
I'm not surprised that these are called "moderate" rebels by the White House and Gamma Wormtongue.
Obviously Mr. Putin doesn't agree and wants this scum away from his air men and soldiers, his bases and landing fields.
He's not going to let you and the Negro tell him what and how to fight.
Anyway, I think he knows you are an ignorant fool.
You sure are stoopid
The Rank and File ISIS doesn't work for the CIA. Only a handful of their leaders do.
That's why, when the Russian entered the fray, suddenly the US coalition woke up and started doing what they should have been doing 16 months ago.
But they weren't just after ISIS.
No, they were out to kill the leaders who were working for them, lest those leaders get captured and spill their CIA beans.
"terror group Hezbollah?"
They are not a "terror group" - that's what the Israelis - and their hasbara trolls say.
They dont murder civilians, they engage conventionally, and when israel withdrew, for the most part absolutely maintained cease fire as their teleology is defending lebanon from israeli aggression.
come now.
Last I checked, the US and the European Union weren't under the control of Israel. Counter to what all the tin foilers here believe, the world is a lot more "real" than the cobwebs in their heads would lead them to believe. I'm not saying that is you, I'm saying that the US and the EU list Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. There are some issues between the state dept and the CIA on the meaning of the listing but the EU is traight up that Hezbollah is a labeled terror oraganization.
Now, Putin isn't bombing Hezbollah which means he has sided with an organization classified by the US and the EU as a terrorist organization. It's not complicated.
Last time I checked, the US and Europe WERE under the control of Zios. Who do you think runs their central banks?
Gruesome Gamma:
You're redundant again.
Maybe it's ISIS=CIA all in the ultimate domain of Irgun??????
You make a good point. I wonder what the "selection process" looks like when the FSB chose that aircraft?
When the Russian people find out about this -- and they will -- that $100,000,000 "personal Kremlin" Putin sleeps at better have some damned good security...
ANOTHER WORTHLESS REMARK BY GAMMA BRAIN
'like when the FSB chose that aircraft?'
Based on what evidence or inference, mr. hammer?
I think you're wrong, but I also know the russians are not above some false flag action - but that angle doesn't seem to me to play here.
So do you have a theory, or are you looking at a daily email blast and sipping acidic coffee somewhere just outside Mordor on the Potomac?
Well lets make a few very loose and unscientific observations based on real facts.
1) The tragedy happens.
2) Putins ratings in Russia achieve their highest ratings ever -- the very next day...
Lets look a t few more loose ends.
Apparently Ukraine isn't going to plan. Thousands of relatives in Moscow want to know what happened to the "volunteers" that were killed in action. This is very messy for Putin because its hard to have someones crying mother shot when shes screaming in public "what happened to my son and why are you covering it up!?"
The Russian economy is in shambles. The Syria "operation" is costing ~$5 MILLION per day and the Russian people back in Moscow are starting to ask serious questions about Putins spending and what the hell is really doing there.
Then, we have this awful tragedy -- and all is forgotten for now -- and Putins rating rise to a crescendo -- the very next day.
Coincidence?
So you have no evidence.
your evidence is based on the absurd notion that because Putin's ratings went up the next day, this proves Putin murdered 250 Russians.
That is your evidence?
This is so amateur and juvenile presumably anyone who took you seriously now appreciates their folly.
You also want to claim that Russia, and not the US and its allies are behind ISIS.
You either know how absurd this is and don't care, wildly underestimating the audience that self-selects here, and are trolling for the US Deep State - or you don't know how prima facie absurd you sound, in which case you are a blithering idiot.
Don't be a moron. There is NEVER any real evidence of a false flag.
Here let me help you.
*9/11 was a false flag. Johnny Horscaulk says "So you have no evidence."
*Flt MH17 was a CIA false flag. Johnny Horscaulk says "So you have no evidence."
*Chinese dock explosions are a false flag. Johnny Horscaulk says "So you have no evidence."
And on and on...
BTW. Refute the reality. Tell me and everyone how hard it would be to keep it secret that the CIA was responsible for ISIS. Tell us all here on the FACTS of how that would/could be remotely possible. Go ahead. We can wait.
IDIOT
That's the whole point of 'false flag"
Only idiots like you would precipitate a "false flag" with a bomb in one hand and selfie stick in the other.
And then post your deed on Instagram on the subway ride home.
I’m surprised sea gulls didn’t eat the victims.