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German Opposition Party Warns, Nation Is "At The Edge Of Anarchy, Sliding Towards Civil War"
Germany now is somewhere at the edge of anarchy and sliding towards civil war, or to become a banana republic without any government, says Hansjoerg Mueller of the Alternative for Germany party.
In an interview after the call with RT.com, Hansjoerg Mueller highlights just how divided the nation is beocming...
RT: He says he's going to send them to Berlin, but does he have the power?
Hansjoerg Mueller: The person who wants to send them to Berlin is Mr. Dreier. He is the district head of Landshut, a town close to Munich. Usually he does not have the power, but we are not living in usual times. What we are now looking at is more and more Germany sliding towards anarchy. In this situation I think less and less is determined by law, more and more is determined by who acts. And the person who acts in fact has the power. So if he sends ... refugees to Berlin, he sends them!
Bavarian official Peter Dreier called German Chancellor Angela Merkel to tell her personally that if Germany welcomes a million refugees, his town of Landshut will only take in around 1,800.
Any extra will be put on buses and sent to her Chancellery in Berlin.
RT: Will threats like this one be able to affect Merkel’s policy?
HM: I hope so, because Germany now is somewhere at the edge of anarchy and sliding towards civil war, or to become a banana republic without any government. I hope that this threat will have some effect, but knowing the psychological things that Merkel does all these days – I don’t believe in it, unfortunately.
RT: Do you think Bavaria will be the only region that says something like this, or do you expect other regions to follow?
HM: Yes, of course, Bavaria is the first region because we are affected the most – we are living on the border to Austria where the influx of refugees stems from. But the second regions of Germany where this happens are Saxony and Thuringia. First of all, they have also borders to the Czech Republic, that’s the first reason. And the second reason is that in former Eastern Germany people are still aware of what it is living in a dictatorship. They are feeling quite well that our so-called democracy is sliding more and more towards a totalitarian state. This is my personal explanation why… the demonstrations in Thuringia and in Saxony are so fierce in their movements.
RT: Only allowing 1,800 desperate refugees to stay when more than a million are expected nationally, doesn't seem all that fair does it. Surely the region should do its bit?
HM: No, this number of 1,800 refugees does not affect only Bavaria. Bavaria can take much more. It affects only the district around the town of Landshut, and the town of Landshut has more or less 50,000 inhabitants and having nearly 2,000 refugees to meddle with the original population – this is quite a big burden. So Bavaria can take more, but not towns like Landshut.
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Between the above comments and the recent "Meanwhile in a German city" Islamophobia, the repurcussions of Obama's empire of chaos in The Middle East has only just begun. As Raul Ilargi Meier recently noted,
Ignorance and denial threatens to lead to a needless increase in nationalism, fascism, violence, misery, death and warfare. If we were to acknowledge that the change is inevitable, and prepare ourselves accordingly, much of this could be avoided.
There are two main engines of change that have started to transform the Europe we think we know. First, a mass migration spearheaded by the flight of refugees from regions in the world which Europeans have actively helped descend into lethal chaos. Second, an economic downturn the likes of which hasn’t been seen in 80 years or so (think Kondratieff cycle).
Negative ideas about refugees are already shaping everyday opinion and politics in many places, and this will be greatly exacerbated by the enormous economic depression that for now remains largely hidden behind desperate sleight-of-hands enacted by central bankers, politicians and media.
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Just kick the immigrants and terrorists out.
Problem solved.
Well when you have a NWO prime minister WTF to you expect? Oh wait that is the USA.
the immigrants are not the "cause"
there are some certain people behind the strings that should be hanged - together with their children
Merkel has told the Balkan States there will be war if they close their borders to the flow of immigrants.
I wonder what the Zionists have on her. It must be some heavy stuff if she is prepared to destroy Germany in order to proect the secret.
I imagine its "do as we say if you want to live" or something along those lines, given just in 2010 she said multi-culturalism in Germany had failed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE6dR7T-zIQ
That was 2010. What changed her mind in just 5 years?
Either someone has somethine on her, or Multikulti magically started working in Germany from the time she gave this speech until today. I'll let ZH decide for itself what happened.
Their Heli nearly went down in 2011.
Warningshot.
divide 'n' conquer!
PC Elitists: All Proceeding according to orders...
@Haus- You raise a good point. I think the NWO is going to win, quite frankly. They're organized, they're secretive and ruthless beyond imagination. Even if you wanted to fight them you don't know who "they" are. Your observation about Merkel being a good example. They're going to pit everyone against eachother in the oldest of tactics- divide and conquer. And I can't imagine a better way to do this than a refugee crisis on top of what's already going on over there.
The wheel from Liberty to Tyranny and back again never stops spinning. Sometimes more slowly, sometimes more quickly (as now), but it never stops turning.
It depends --
If Putin is not part of their club -- e.g., if he goes to the beat of his own drum -- then there is hope for humanity yet.
If Putin is part of the club and just playing along, then we are all doomed. A world enslaved in self-inflicted socialism.
Putin's biggest strength in Europe is the political network of allies he is building, from Hungary with Orban and his right wing competetion, to the True Finns in Finland, to the AfD in Germany, to the FPÖ in Austria, to Marie la Pen in France, to UKIP in the UK, to he various political allies in Eastern Europe, to the Swedish Democrats, to Mr. Wilders, to the 5 Star Movement -- most of these parties are north of 20% or so of the vote. Anyone who is Right of the right of center political establishment are becoming (if not already) Putin supporters. Shoot -- just look at videos and photos from PEGIDA rallies, lots and lots of Russian flags.
It all depends on Russia. As it did in WWII & Napeleon -- it all depends on Russia.
While I am not sure exchanging our oligarchs for Russian oligarchs would be that beneficial economically, I am quite convienced that his oligarchs aren't actively working to destroy the cultures that enriched them.
If Putin is not part of their club
If he is 'part of the club' why can people not explain the reason why many of those oligarchs were crushed, and there were many more than Khodorkovsky
A number of national leaders aren't going to let their people be overrun by jihadis. This includes Russia, China, Japan, Israel, and INDIA, which already split once to get away from the ragheads. So the NWO will be faced with a choice. They could, like their global carbon tax, exclude China and Russia by counting them as 'developing countries' whilst they skullfuck US taxpayers a little less gently. A cynical leader would merely tell the NWO that he'll go along, as long as it's made in his best interests, including NOT having his nation overrun. . .
Follow the money. All those countries belong to the BIS and China is on the Central Bank Governance Group.
"The Group normally meets on the occasion of the bimonthly meetings of Governors of BIS member central banks. There are no public releases of the meeting agendas or discussions."
https://www.bis.org/cbgov/index.htm?m=2|293
This top German editor has already started the civil war.
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=24878
Top German Editor Admits “All the News is Fake”, Exposes The Mainstream Media MO In Graphic Detail
now is somewhere at the edge of anarchy and sliding towards civil war, or to become a banana republic without any government.
Time to embrace the horror. We've got front row seats to the end of the world.
Just have the balls to do what Romania proved multiple times it can be done
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34720183
Europe needs a Romanian like this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
And leaders like this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_III_of_Moldavia
Thank you,
Not all jews are in the club. Putin has been forced to cater to those jewish in Russia who are in the club. He actually gave a full pardon to one major criminal. At the time he publicly made it clear by giving the pardon he was clearing the path for the man to run for any political office or to hold any govt position. He also forced the courts to only sentence another to house arrest. Which was blantly and publicly violated at that man joined in political protests.
Has Putin EVER called out Israel? He may have but I do not recall it. Israel made it clear they were involved in the dowing of one of Putin's airliners. Israel and the US control ISIS as their proxy - ISIS takes credit for the downing, Israel at the same time flys bombing missions, Israel rubs it in Putin's face with a halloween pumpkin with a russian plane cut into it (childish maybe but the message and sentiment is given).
Israel's leaders apparently feel safe and secure . They'll continue promoting chaos it seems. And The US military apparently still is unable or unwilling to appreciate that a hostile and largely malevolent cabal are running the government.
I am prepared to say now that there is no avoiding a major, catastrophic world war. And I just dont see any hope that cooler heads will prevail.
If he is 'part of the club' why can people not explain the reason why many of those oligarchs were crushed, and there were many more than Khodorkovsky
Not saying this IS the case, but one of the best ways to divert scrutiny away from you is to "sacrifice" a few of your own people to the same cause that you're behind. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book .... straight out of the Protocols.
Additionally, it's also possible that they were "crushed" publicly, but it may have been "theater" for the masses. I doubt they ended up living in cardboard boxes under the overpass....
John Helmer gives reasons here http://johnhelmer.net/?p=14441#more-14441/, and what made the oligarch's part of the club? The only reliable indicators in my view are central bank policies http://thesaker.is/russias-ultimate-lethal-weapon/ and these say Putin is part of the club/controlled.
Exactly. I tried to make this point but people just don't buy it. These assholes would definitely sacrifice their own children if it meant furthering their goals. Shit, they planned all this crap a CENTURY ago - what's a few sacrificed oligarchs or politicians along the way mean when you can own EVERYTHING eventually? Throwing people off the track is a viable strategy for a long-term plan.
The way to find out who they are is to remove all politicians and put in new ones.... and one day soon the phone will ring and you say "who is it?" thats how to start this removal of the NWO.
Yeah, I'm not convinced that Merkel herself is evil.
She is a puppet like Obpisspot
She is more evil than Hitler.
If someone has something on her and it allows for her to be manipulated then she should resign.
That is one evil cunt.
"She is more evil than Hitler."
"People who knew him in Vienna that year could not understand the contradiction between his well-mannered appearance, his educated speech and self-assured bearing on the one hand, and the starveling existence he led on the other, and judged him as haughty and pretentious. He was neither. He just did not fit into a bourgeois order...
In the midst of a corrupt City, my friend surrounded himself with a wall of unshakeable principles which enabled him to build an inner freedom in spite of all the temptations around him...He went his way untouched by what went on around him. He remained a man alone and guarded in monkish asceticism the 'Holy Flame of Life'."
Young Hitler--The Story of our Friendship: August Kubizek
as quoted in Spear of Destiny, Trevor Ravenscroft p.4 (1973)
Mein Kampf
CHAPTER II: YEARS OF STUDY AND SUFFERING IN VIENNA
"I am thankful for that period of my life, because it hardened me and enabled me to be as tough as I now am. And I am even more thankful because I appreciate the fact that I was thus saved from the emptiness of a life of ease and that a mother’s darling was taken from tender arms and handed over to Adversity as to a new mother. Though I then rebelled against it as too hard a fate, I am grateful that I was thrown into a world of misery and poverty and thus came to know the people for whom I was afterwards to fight."
Kubizek was the only pal 'Dolf had in Vienna. While he gained successful admission to the music academy, Adolf failed at his art school application.
They split after a year of school, but Kubizek did not see his friend after the summer vacation. Sources suggest Hitler was embarrassed by his school-admission failure and a growing lack of money. Kubizek did not see him for some time.
However, he probably knew Hitler better than anyone during his lean years in Vienna. Hitler eventually left for Munich when the Authorities began looking for him as a draft-dodger (!) He was finally contacted and asked to take the physical closer to Munich, which he failed! However, when WW1 broke out, there is a famous photo showing Hitler at a square in Munich. Shortly thereafter, he had no problem joining the Army.
The guy was a bunch of conflicted ideas; Hitler had no problem in the Army, earning an Iron Cross 1st Class as a runner on a BMW bike between the front and Battalion HQ.
The Hitler of these days was not the later leader who emerged; it would take the loss of a war, a stint as an Army Intel asset and political officer (NCO) which led him to the small political party the Army thought it could use-- a party which gave Adolf the means to get in on the ground floor, and eventually create the NSDAP.
An interesting thread throough his life, which detractors pursued, was that it is documented Hitler's grandmother had served as a personal maid in the house of the Red Shield Clan in Vienna. This gave life to the possibility he was a crypto-Zionist, and his path to power was smoothed by the hidden Money Power.
I have always thought how cool it would be for ZHers to own a time machine where we could visit the past and discover the origins of the Money Power. We could re-write history......
+100, Skip! I have not read Kubizek's book. I will have to find it. I am a lay student of Hitler and WW2, my interest being triggered by my father's service during WW2. I have been at it as a hobby for 50 years.
Reminds me a bit of a certain modern-day 'world leader' who went through a similar phase - young, a bit adrift, deemed haughty and pretentious, academic issues, in the city, little means, few friends - about which next to nothing was subsequently shared/documented/discernable....
You mean hitler sucked dicks for quarters?
They all seem to be puppets, more or less.
"An interesting thread through his life, which detractors pursued, was that it is documented Hitler's grandmother had served as a personal maid in the house of the Red Shield Clan in Vienna. This gave life to the possibility he was a crypto-Zionist, and his path to power was smoothed by the hidden Money Power."
Just like Jimmy Carter's mom being Joe Kennedy's 'sexy'tary and why Ted ran against Carter in 1980. http://www.answers.com/Q/Was_Jimmy_Carter's_mother_Lillian_secretary_to_Kennedy
The 6 million Jews myth was being promoted even before Adolf went to prison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhkThe most effective kind of blackmail is to make somebody take the bribe, or take the bullet. No in between. If you want to make a person your creature, you need to force them to be complicit and you need to force them to profit from it. And also understand this: Everybody has a price. It may not be a monetary price, but it exists for everybody, none the less.
If we were to find that somebody had her completely by the balls and was clamping down on them with a bench vice, I would not be surprised.
EV, it is most interesting these elite globalist leaders in Europe think the Islamization of said continent will not affect them!
Eventually, at some point, they will be offered the Koran or a sword.
Being Politicians, I'm sure they'll take the Koran.
EV, it is most interesting these elite globalist leaders in Europe think the Islamization of said continent will not affect them!
I would never underestimate the controllers - they're arrogant, they're loaded with hubris, and they're psychotically evil .... but they're not stupid. The political puppets are doing what they're told - (otherwise the stream of little boys and girls to their sex-parties will be cut off) - but the true powers will likely never be affected by the shit they foist on the rest of us. They have hidey-holes to scurry to and wait it out.
I think this balkanization of Europe has a civil war as it's end-goal. The same crap they're pulling in the US. I've never seen a time in my life when the population has been more divided. The halfrican has done an amazing job of dividing the country - and opening that divide to epic proportions. His owners must be very pleased.
What hidey holes will get them away from the breakdown of global supply chains? So they have a farm somewhere in bumfuckistan. They'll be a lot less mobile than they were before.
Exactly. Their hubris may lead them closer to Islam than they think!!
I do think the purpose of the Globalist Cabal (whatever name you want to put to them) are trying to stoke open civil conflict in North AMerica as well as Europe.
As weird as it sounds, our only hope is that Iran, China, Russia: The BRICS and non-aligned nations are not all secretly controlled by TPTB!
Unfortunately, they are. What *I* hold out hope for, is that there really is a division between the elites at the highest level: those that would continue to enslave us, murder us, and sacrifice us to their evil gods (the Satanists - and yes, they are VERY real); and those that have it good and want to stay in power over us but who want to destroy the psychopaths among themselves. I'm hoping that Putin is in that second camp, because I don't see any hope for ANY of us otherwise.
Well, I just can't accept it. I hope you are wrong about one or two countries....
It will come down to the Elite Global "shapeshifting" Slave Masters vs. Humanity.
I also fervently hope there is a clash between the PTB, since by their Evil Nature, they are bound bby the Law of Greed to eventually oppose each other and divide themselves into Factions!
(sarc on the lizards, but...is it possible....they are....real? (Shudders).
Well, on Putin there's these articles to consider:
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2716-false-eastwest-paradigm-and-the-...
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2074-russia-is-dominated-by-global-ba...
http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2168-the-new-world-order-and-the-rise...
And these make a good case that this whole shitshow has been planned:
http://redefininggod.com/understanding-the-nwo-strategy/
http://redefininggod.com/the-rockefeller-plan-for-the-brics-new-world-or...
As for the 'lizard' hypothesis...well, what with all the stuff coming out now concerning politicians and pedophiles, the BS about 'sacrificing children to Moloch' has become a little more credible. Anyway, if you want to read a good book on that topic, check out William Bramley's "Gods of Eden", 1990. At least 50 pages of references. His conclusion is pretty chilling. Also, books by Carla Turner; John Keel; Richard Dolan; Laura Knight-Jadzyck and even David Icke really flesh out the alien hypothesis theory, and all with good solid approaches and references.
It's his puppeteers that are dividing the country, also the ones who run the dis-info MSM. Civil war kills off Christians. The ultimate goal has always been to eradicate Christianity. The US was just as divided, or more so, in the 1960's. Guess who was helping to divide back then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
She is more evil than Hitler
Please look deeper into the propagandized story of Hitler. You will be surprised.
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
http://www.redicecreations.com/
duplicated - oops
She's NOT evil, she's Christian...it's not "Evil" if God tells you to do it; or if you do it "in the name of the Lord".
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Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.- Blaise Pascal
I think Jesus had something to say about that:
John 16:2-3
... in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.
If you really get into it, this basic warning is found all over the Bible. The fundamental problem is "I think I am better than you because X, therefore I have the right to force you to do as I say."
Even Two Thousand years ago, The Lord identified the Synagogue of Satan for us!
Let us follow the Higher Power of our own conception and enlist the better angels of our nature to Resist them!
If Jesus re-appeared today as He did the first time, they would think of an even moar evil death for him.
Down through the centuries these Satanists have opposed Mankind at every turn, leaving death, destruction and poverty in their wake.
Prayer and Right, Positive activity can help defeat them!
She was Stasi and a Communist, and that never changed. She is no Christian. But now she is clearly someones puppet, and she must know it, and that the public knows it. There can be no true honor or pride derived from being in power when you are merely a puppet. Merkel must get her reward from some kind of sadistic power she has over those under her control. Perhaps its sexual control. Someone figured this out and now Merkel is their vassal, perhaps sexual vassal.
"I was a sex slave of Soros," by Angela Burkhel
But if she is truly a patriot, she would be willing to die for her country - no?
Let the Zionists take her.
She's a politician. It's what they do.
German Wings + VW + Invasion = war on Germany for not sanctioning Russia and asking for their gold.
War is a continuous state in The Balkans. The woman knows no history. Everywhere The Ottomans have been in chaotic and unstable
"It must be some heavy stuff if she is prepared to destroy Germany in order to proect the secret."
where's the gold?
FACT that Germans need to wake up to: MERKEL DOES NOT HAVE THE MANDATE TO DO WHAT SHE IS DOING. This is WAY out the scope of things, for which she was elected.
She needs to stop, resign, or be removed. by any and all means necessary.
and then what?
Next Vollidiot in line will take over and nothing will change.
Well, as a first step, you hold a snap election that is a national referendum at the same tine.
If that is what the voters want, then so be it. Else, there is a regime change and a change of policies, laws and enforcement.
Other options remain on the table, but are downstream from the 'civilized' ones. Note however that the timeline is short and the clock is ticking
Exactly! Are the Germans as cowardly as the American serfs have become?
Fight back!
Withdraw from The System wherever and whenever possible!
Don't watch TV, buy their muzik, read or buy their "newspapers!"
We Are The Resistance!
Merkel has told the Balkan States there will be war if they close their borders to the flow of immigrants.
I wonder what the Zionists have on her. It must be some heavy stuff if she is prepared to destroy Germany in order to proect the secret
....hmmm.... and the muslim @ the WH is free of fault for this ?
he along with his europeans cohorts are destroying western civilization by creating the problem and then opening the door of civilized countries to these animals..... suicide (of an entire civilization) by insanity....
the media and the USA con-gress are co-conspirators in this treason for not impeaching this fucking bastard
Western "civilization." Ha.
Bruce Jenner is civilization? Drugging boys in school and telling girls they are losers for not wanting to work 50+ hours to buy stuff they don't need is civilization? Is subsidizing food products that make people sick civilization?
Whatever civilization we had already died decades ago; at best there are pockets of civilization waiting for the time to start a reboot.
never said it was perfect....
but it is a hell of a lot better than the shit-hole that these animals represent, who have been fighting 'for who knows what' for over 1,400 years given some tribal and/or religious differences...
FUCK THAT SHIT
Western nations have been at war just as long. When was the last time the West Wasn't bombing the shit out of someone else.
Every time there is a large and unexpected event in the world, like Ebola, or waves of refugees, it is interpreted as Western Civilization dying or being destroyed.
Civilizations are not eggs, to be smashed, nor simple living systems to die. At worst, civilizations fragment into smaller entities and reform.
In no sense is our western society being killed by outsiders. We can absorb any number of people of any number of any cultures, no problems. Yes, we will be changed, but also enriched, that is a very reliable process in history. We will get out of those cultures proportional to our willingness to learn of it and from it. Food, people, literature, arts, more variety in the mix is always good.
Good right up to the point where someone busts someone else in the nose, and it is interpreted in an 'us vs them' context. Indeed, people can work their way into problems, no problem.
That is thinking. If we think clearly, we can do very well. If we all fall prey to the "they are so different we will never adjust to them and vice versa" theory of humans, we can make it a very negative experience.
People are people, in my experience, and I have had experience with many peoples in all walks of life, it is the kind of world I live in, I coudn't avoid foreigners if I wanted to, but why would I want to? Just people.
Simple question for everyone "Will you hurt someone who has not hurt you?" Western Civilization is based on the idea that you should not. All civilizations are based on that idea, of course.
What do 'Zionists' have to do with any of this? As an independent source of chaos, yes the Israelis are a distal cause of refugees, but chaos is best served by keeping them all in the ME.
I think that integration of the world's peoples is very good for the world, and more of everybody everywhere is in everryone's long term interests, every time civilization has included more peoples in positive-sum games, we have moved to a new level of wealth and knowledge.
But I know of no reason a Zionist or Israeli would blackmail Merkel to keep the Balkans open. Citation is certainly needed for such claims.
I think her parents were STASI moles in the East German Lutheran church. How would I know? I had a theologian aunt in East Berlin. There was an incident when an elderly person was temporarily taken in for a couple of weeks and everybody was wondering who the mole was. Her parents moved from Hamburg to East Germany and only 'sus' people did that.
Speaking of "people behind the strings"...how many refugees are being sheltered at the Vatican? I'm sure they're at capacity...
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>> Vatican inspectors suspect key office used for money laundering.
>> Vatican scandal heats up with revelations of greed, intrigue
All in a day of "doing the Lords' work".
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/04/vatican-inspectors-suspect-key-office-use...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_REL_VATICAN_SCANDAL?SITE=AP&SE...
Yeah, especially - how many muslim refugees are being sheltered by the Vatican State?
If the "immigrants" weren't a problem, the nwo wouldn't be exporting them to every 1st world location they can as fast as they can.
Send them to Israel.
YES!!!
build a huge tent city right on rothschild blvd............plenty of room and yes the jew should be talking 99% of the refugees
''Rothschild Boulevard (Hebrew: ????????? ??????????, Sderot Rotshild) is one of the principal streets in the center of Tel Aviv, Israel, beginning in Neve Tzedek at its southwestern edge and running north to Habima Theatre. It is one of the most expensive streets in the city, being one of the city's main tourist attractions.[1] It features a wide, tree-lined central strip with pedestrian and bike lanes.''..........wiki
gee rothschild seems to be the most famous jew ever............come celebrate debt-slavery on rothschild blvd
2 down votes? Are the Hilton sluts on ZH?
>> Send them to Israel.
Better, send them to Switzerland.
And if Switzerland refuses then close all EU civil airspace to, from or via Switzerland.
I was expecting a comment somewhere like this:
"hey, it's our fault! we believed the propaganda of a man we thought he was a good guy to drink a beer with! we sloshed French wine in the gutter and created "Freedom Fries" in protest when Paris said that there are no WMDs in Iraq! we have the Statue of Liberty, which was what made this nation great! .... send them here"
just kidding, of course I did not expect such comments. I expected the usual propaganda from both East and West, Left and Right. United In Expected Doom
note, btw, how difficult it is for this Bavarian politician to explain BoRussian sentiment in Saxony and Thuringia. he tries, but he does not use a few little dirty facts from the history of the DDR
for example that the DDR tried to have immigrants... while trying to force them to have no children. Call it DDR, call it Easter Germany, call it Borussia... they tick differently, and are still a bit wet behind the ears about this "democracy" stuff. We have many pockets in "the West" which have the same problems. Always under the hammer of some kind of brute force system, be it national or local
I love how you equated
Controlled Immigration/not having an open borders policy with being a bit "wet behind the ears."
Excellent post Ghordo, in typical self-loathing German pro "world without borders" style. Well done.
I love when you show up as if I called you out. So? Do you have your anchor baby? Did you do your duty to the German Nation and helped produce new Germans?
hate for foreigners might, at a certain point, translate into asking you to leave the country with many others, couldn't it?
by the way, did you ever read the German constitution? can we discuss details of it the way it is understood and applied by German tribunals? would you swear allegiance to this German Grundgesetz?
or are you still a cultural alien? one that dabbles in foreign propaganda, to boot?
yes. Borussia, aka Prussia, aka Preussen, aka Former East Germany is still a bit... unsure about liberal practices and the "Rechtsstaat"
I could have this conversation with the father of your gf, and even find points of agreement. can I with... you?
nope, nothing about what I wrote is about "world without borders". I am still for Europe without borders for... Europeans. I find it's a different thing, and has little to do with asylum
You're a progressive. That means you are for that until you get that, then you want the next step towards the leftist delusion.
I am a progressive because you say that? you clearly showed that you don't even know the rudiments of ideology... while sporting a highly ideological flag as avatar
remember the exchange where I explained you this:
"There are THREE strains of ideology, and many combinations to extremism
The (classic) liberal gone bad makes you his debt serf or sugar baby, and his hired mercenaries bomb you for the missing pound of flesh
The conservative gone bad burns you on a stake, gasses or crucifies you, particularly if you were so stupid to be born the wrong way
The socialist gone bad puts you in a labour camp and starves you... while preaching that it's your fault, really, for non-compliance to norms and equalitarian tenets "
YOU sport an extremist flag. the yellow is for liberalism. YOU are the progressive between us, by your own flag
I am a Centrist. In the Middle of Ideology. The Island of Moderation. Hated by all extremists... like you
NidStyles, take down that flag or do your homework in regard to ideology
I'd like to use this post as a great example of the delusion within German politics. Ghordo thinks his views are "Middle of the Road."
Every asshole in Germany thinks their views are "Middle of the Road." Middle of the road puts Ghordo somewhere between the Union and the SPD -- what in the United States would be Bernie Sanders. But, in his imagination, he represents the intellectual "moderate voter" in Germany.
In Germany politics, I am now considered "extreme right" given I don't want open borders.
Here is a breakdown of German political parties from most Left to most Right;
1) Communists -- open borders
2) die Linke -- open borders
3) die Grünen -- open borders
4) die Piraten -- open borders
5) SPD (centrist party) -- open borders
6) FDP (Liberals) (centrist party -- not in government) -- quasi-open borders
7) CDU CSU (centrist party) -- open borders
8) Bavarian Party -- closed borders
9) AfD -- closed borders
10) Freie Wähler -- closed borders
11) Republikaner -- closed borders
12) NPD -- closed borders
13) NSU -- closed borders (banned)
In the media, those in places from 8-13 are all "right wing extremists"
In Germany if you believe in stopping this madness, get prepared to be called a Nazi and all sorts of nasty things. The good news about this crisis, is the average right of center voter who previously would jump through flaming hoolahoops to avoid being called a right winger or nazi is wearing off, and people es masse are beginning to say "if that is what I have to be politically to save my country, so be it."
The crisis isn't bad enough yet to really get things heated up here. Just wait till the immigrants start freezing to death next month, and they start confiscating all sorts of heated buildings to house them. Then it will really kick off.
it is exactly one issue and one issue only that you are using here. and a crude issue, put in a crude manner: open borders vs closed borders
no, Bernie Sanders would be the equivalent of 5 and it's not centrist
my point in this mess is currently more or less that of 6. it's a "depends", with qualifications for "who" and "why"
Shall we talk about the meaning of life & what does it mean to "love" while 12k people flood into the country daily.
Its like those assholes whos house is burning to the ground, and then run it to turn off the bathroom light. Your priorities are misplaced.
Lets fix this shit situation before we talk about other stuff -- shall we?
The dorf where I live has a single Grundschule. It was built in the 60s, and really hasn't been renovated since then. We had a 6,5 million Euro surplus this past year which was supposed to be used to build the kids a new Grundschule. Not it gets to get put into the 250 refugees we are taking.
I just love this.
and who needs that Grundschule? your still not existing German kids? my priorities? you sport for "some kind of Armageddon". That's your cultural import in Germany
no wonder you still don't have kids. you would need a constructive attitude to really want kids, not one that wants everything smashed to smithereens... again, in the German perspective
nope, love is not what drives you. you dwell in hate, and want something, just anything to go down in flames
I want just 3 things to go down in flames:
1) The EU
2) The ideology/religion of egalitarianism -- and all its bastard children along with it.
3) Cultural Relativism
Fiance and I are planning on getting married first before kids, both of which will happen next year. We want 4. She wants them because she loves kids. I love kids too, but I have the pleasure of pissing off shithead Lefties with having so many kids. If she would be cool with 5 so would I.
The kids here in our Dorf need it. The building they are currently in is literally falling apart. Literally. The fascade is literally falling off. Literally.
and what about your old pet hate, the EUR? the EU is by the way completely irrelevant, we could disband it today. the principles aren't
egalitarianism, a small amount of it, prevents that Justice peeks out from her imposed blindness and judges you according to some category of belonging
cultural relativism - the way you understand it - is still different, here. that's a cultural import that you are applying wrongly on this continent
marry immediately, don't even wait for that for kids. just a tip
just a tip
You literally made me laugh out loud with that one. Spit my beer on my study material.
He still doesn't get it.
Silly progressives, we win.
How Ghordo ever got to ZH is a mystery.
He rarely makes sense to me on almost any subject but on this issue he is batshit crazy.
I think the up and downvotes speak for themselves. I'd have some nice comments to contribute but then again if Haus makes a good job defending the case I guess it's enough.
I've been to Germany many times, usually on business. It's probably my favorite European country (not that I've been to all of them). More like Americans than anywhere else in Europe (perhaps the world). I felt warmly welcomed and well taken care of every time I was there. I liked the work ethic and the direct way Germans generally communicate, too.
So please hear me when I tell you this: You're fucking it all up.
You should be shutting those borders down hard right now. We're fighting our own president tooth-and-nail to get ANY kind of border security between us and Mexico because we KNOW where open borders + welfare state ends up. Do you think it's a coincidence that both of our contries are having an immigration crisis right now?
You're being played and yet you sit there and call it a 6 on the 1-10 scale. You are a fool. They are INTENTIONALLY overloading the system so it breaks and they get to replace it with something you're going to like a lot less.
possible. but again, the current German political landscape does not allow it (perhaps yet). funny how I am played as the "open borders" guy, here
the root cause of this mess is still in Iraq and Syria. we are all being played, in this. including the refugees
funny how I am played as the "open borders" guy, here
true.... you are actually the "LUNATIC OPEN BORDERS GUY"
besides being a fucking kommie (don't give shit what "degree") a kommie is a kommie... etc....
This is not happening because of open borders. It is happening because of Americans stupid love for guns and war!
If you want to shut down the borders in Europe, then Europe should first kick out every US soldier and close every fucking military base you have in this contintent. Also, shut off Britain, your ass-licking-doggy.
Europe has to take the brunt of your miserable, failed exterior politics. Failing for the past 45+ years! The USA has not won ONE single war. Even Somalians in plastic flip flops shot down helicopters and kept Americans out of the country.
FDP is nothing and all if it fits them.
Das Fähnchen nach dem Wind drehen ist deren Devise.
Oporthunistic assholes
The crisis isn't bad enough yet to really get things heated up here. Just wait till the immigrants start freezing to death next month, and they start confiscating all sorts of heated buildings to house them. Then it will really kick off.
and therein lies the problem.... most people simply CANNOT project into the future the idiocies of policies from insane politicians (mostly liberals of different degrees... aka KOMMIES)...
by the time what you suggest takes place it is too damned LATE.... it is ALREADY too danmned late... civil war first, and then extended to other places leading to WWIII... not much in the way to 'where to hide' from these arseholes... (kommies)
>>>I am a Centrist. In the Middle of Ideology. The Island of Moderation. Hated by all extremists... like you<<<
That is some funny stuff. You either have a great sense of humour or are delusional.
You calling yourself a Centrist is like Paul Allen calling himself middle class, because amongst the people he associates with are many who are more wealthy and many who are less. Of course the fact that they are all billionaires is irrelevant to him.
well, I have no idea who Paul Allen is, I am not a billionaire and, interestingly, I am not middle class here in Europe. particularly because we have less class as defined by wealth
meanwhile, are you really reading what I write or do you just gloss over like our friend "Haus"?
Germany can consider "Safe Zones" like the USA has where all the illegal criminals can safely harbor and live the life of Riley. It's very un-politically correct to guard your borders to protect your citizens. Politicans take their Sheeples for granted knowing that most are obese and apathetic with low IQs and easily distracted by circuses and the Life is Too Short stuff.
Paul Allen is the co-founder of Microsoft.
I guess he has already faded from many people's memory so perhaps I should have used someone like Charles Bronson.
Yes I read everything that you write and even agree with you on some things.
However if you think that Germany can import millions of non indigenous people and also have a continent without borders you sir are mistaken.
The current policies in Germany are quickly turning your neighborhoods against you. If this continues there are only a limited number of possible outcomes and none of them have people holding hands and smiling at each other.
At the present moment there is anti German sentiment growing all over the continent. Soon your country will be hated as it was after WWII and all the good will is going to disappear.
There will also be a rise to power of nationalists all over Europe. These are not IFs but WHENs.
If you are lucky the nationalists rise to power in Germany before the country is despised for trashing the continent.
The final outcome of this conflict will not be pretty.
I suspect that just like WWI had an enormous impact on the continent so will the coming turmoil.
When it is over there will likely be a lot of new maps being printed.
Guess I need to rethink how intelligent good ole Ghordo if he doesn't know who the fuck Paul Allen is.
Comical...
I'll guess your comment is the best one to do a "Post Mortem" of this funny exchange we had here
1. I find it incredibly funny how many here are very keen to steer the direction of the "general conversation". I guess what I did is, indeed, a "trolling starter"
2. agree with you that the import of millions in Germany isn't going to be "fun". where I disagree is when a few start to paint it in a very American manner. Integration in Germany is not theory, it happens. Not everywhere, not everywhere well, with regional differences like Saxony vs Bavaria which in part even Germans have sometimes difficulties to understand
3. the issue for me is that there are further dozens of millions that could come. the source of all this is still that a number of countries are chockerblock full with them. Jordan comes to mind
4. the "continent without borders" is strongly misunderstood, here. I don't know why. find this point very interesting
5. "At the present moment there is anti German sentiment growing all over the continent". Puzzling. I see other sentiments growing more. I see also a growing anti American and the old anti Russian sentiment going up
6. "There will also be a rise to power of nationalists all over Europe. These are not IFs but WHENs." the question is if it's nationalists that want to go fully alone, with a strong partner like Russia or the US or in a european alliance. For some reasons, the whole concept of alliances seems a bit warped, in the ZH comment halls. Even Hitler and Mussolini found that partners are a good thing, didn't they? I presume that many here look at conservative nationalism as a kind of thing that inevitably results into isolationism or war. Again, it's an American reflex that does not really apply to the history of this continent
I agree with you Ghordius.
Here in Portugal the contrary is happening. The Nationalists are extinct. Portugal just went as left as you can get (probably we will be the first country in Europe with the REAL, original Communist Party being part of the Government. In some parts of the country they had 40% of the votes. In total they are over 8%, together with the leftist Bloco, they reach over 18%)
Not that I agree with any particular political direction, but forecasting the future and how humans will react is a bitch. The best experts fail, time and time again.
Interestingly most "Doom and Armaggedon"-fundamentalist religious sects come from the US and they ALL have failed about the "End of days"! Some of them multiple times.
Ghordius ;| your bunker is finished or you still think i'm joking ?
I went to law school here genius. I've read the GG. I came out with a 1,7 in the class, which was 4 SWS.
The problem is everyone assumes these people are Flüchtlinge, who are protected in the Grundgesetz. Zuwanderer however, are not entitled to Asyl in Germany. You say Flüchtlinge, I say Zuwanderer. You'll have to explain to me how someone crossing over 7 countries which are not at war entitles them to be a refugee.
I'll wait.
There is nothing liberal about the confiscation of buildings to house immigrants. There is nothing liberal about classifying people as refugees when they are not.
If you support the status quo of taking in everyone with a pulse who sneaks across the border, and they can stay for months at a time, perhaps years while their application is processed -- no, we can find no points of agreement.
If Poland descends into civil war & 5 million show up seeking Asylum -- fine. We could agree on a lot, but if Poland descends into civil war and 5 million show up in Portugal -- people scratching their heads saying WTF -- does not a propagandist make.
You, as always attempt to justify this Leftwing crap via some obsure prizim of realty you seem to live in.
+1 excellent, you do prod your brain into action when kicked. hard.
yes. Asylum Seekers aren't "economic immigrants". now, how long does it take to discern between them? some weeks, at least
so it's too early to say. but you do know that hundreds are already being kicked out. particularly to the Balkans, particularly thanks to the trick of calling them "from safe countries"
we do find agreement, even when you aren't interested in it
(law school does not impress me as such, to be frank)
This should be easy;
Are you from;
- Denmark
- the Netherlands
- Belgium
- Luxembourg
- France
- Switzerland
- Austria
- Czech Republic
- Poland
- Russia
- Latvia
- Estonia
- Lithuania
- Finland
- Sweden
- Norway
- the UK
If the answer is "no" you crossed over at least one nation who is not at war to get here. Thus you are not a "refugee." If you are educated, and can prove it, you can stay. If you are a goat fucker you'll be on the next plane out.
They needn't stay here for more than the length of time it takes to wait in line at the border to find out if they are from Austria or not. No? Are you educated? No. GTFO.
Asylum, as you know then you went to law school, is not EU Citizenship, EFTA Citizenship and is not bound to education
so yes, I agree in principle but I also see that you make an unnecessary obfuscating mess with your comment, mixing the whole and then stirring the pot
Germany is now busy discussing changes about those Asylum laws. We'll see where it goes
I am not attaching an education requirement to people seeking asylum. I am attached an education requirement to economic migrants coming into the country at a rake of 12k per day -- with more than 9800 of the 12k having no marketable skills.
if you do that, you have then still not addressed the asylum question. or the root of asylum seeking: war and inhumane dictatorships
fact is that there are too many genuine asylum seekers, genuinely fleeing persecution and death. nevertheless you can't expect such laws to be changed in an eye's blink
meaning that we are still far from addressing the root causes
Ghordo --
There are exactly ZERO asylum seekers fleeing war arriving in Germany. Why? Because none of the countries that touch or are navagable to Germany are at war. These people are "fleeing" war by crossing over 7-12 countries that are NOT at war.
The shitshow in Syria won't be fixed for some time. Lets say it takes a year -- at 12k people per day, that is 4.4 million immigrants in 365 days from now. Tell me what Germany looks like with 4.4 million thidr world immigrants in a year.
The shitshow in Syria won't be fixed for some time. Lets say it takes a year -- at 12k people per day, that is 4.4 million immigrants in 365 days from now.
-lol... the shitshow in the entire ME has been going on for over 1,400 years.....
Tell me what Germany looks like with 4.4 million thidr world immigrants in a year.
it looks like shit, and it does NOW already.... not a year from now... thanks to these on-going idiocies.....
there is NO replacing ...... exchange value for value..... the great majority of immigrants have NO intent to provide value in exchange for the wellfare that these imbeciles offer at the expense of tax-payers....
FUCK ALL OF THEM
But you could expect existing laws to be honored and enforced.
I am little confused. Where is the Latvia-Germany border or the Estonia-Germany border?
Eindringling is the word you are looking for.
Off Topic, H-T
Which Legal Areas do you specialize in?
I've been trying to engage in some Venture Startups that cover DEU as a potential Market. If you're doing VC/Patent/Work Visa Related Work, I'd be interested in networking with you.
Regards,
How dare you not abide by international democratic ways, there are starving people out there. They are willing to vote to take your wealth from you like a goblin horde.
We don't need borders anymore, HAUS. The MESSIAH has arrived! It is Angela! From ANGELUS! ANGEL - Don't you see! So - all people of the world - come to this blessed land - come children of god! You - endless mass of hundred of millions from the Third World! Like JESUS - we will heal the sick, the blind, the ill - we will house the poor and those without shelter - like Jesus we will feed everyone with barrel of fish!
Come Ghordius, the DDR took Vietnamese labourers as part payment for weapons supplied to Hanoi. The descendants of these Vietnamese still live in Eastern Germany so someone was breeding. The DDR was not a nice regime, it was a dictatorship un by third-raters like Honecker a roofer, Ulbricht a carpenter, and administered by cop-killer Mielke with his Stasi apparatus run out of Goering's former Air Ministry and now the German Finance Ministry.
The fact is however that Bavaria is bursting and Merkel has overthrown the constitutional order in Germany and the collapse is happening from within like those towers in NYC......when it drops you will know what has been happening.
Bavarian politicians should know a fair bit about Thueringen - it is after all upstream of Hof
agree with you. note that I wrote tried. the forced abortions were nevertheless real, as the "weapons for slaves" business between two "worker's paradises"
disagree though with "they should know". Bavarian conservatives are behaving as I was expecting them, but they still don't understand how the former DDR "ticks", politically
Given Hindsight, the DDR should've become its own state.
Then the dumbass liberal Wessies could self-destruct by themselves.
In the meantime, I'd ship them all to Berlin, then to Hamburg, Duesseldorf, Koeln, Mainz, Wiesbaden, Frankfurt. After that, ship them to Brussels.
Ghordius, I have read your comments here for a very long time and it is clear that you are an intelligent person with a very good education.
What I am not clear on is whether you work for the EU, UN or some other globalist organization.
However, I am quite sure it is one of these.
you are sure because half of what I write would, if I was an American, be excellent evidence. you are used to hear two sides for everything, don't you? two, and only two
Ghordius, I respect everyone and understand the ideology you believe in. Clear.
Now, one question: if you sit down to play a game with a stranger, and you realize there's deliberate cheating throughout, what do you do? do you continue playing?
I'll give you the answer to what you'll do, cause I know:
1st time: you respecfully say "sorry, those are not the rules"
2nd: sorry, I have said it before
3rd: sorry, if you do it one more, I'll have to stop
4th: sorry, I've told you I would stop, so I will
other party: "oh, sorry, now I get what you're saying, please continue.
While this is taking place and you believe the person really means what he/she says, your wife got raped and your house robbed.
perhaps stupid example, I'm at work, can't focus too much - the point is: I come from a different culture and live close to you for about a decade, which gives me the advantage of understanding more than one culture by living it.
My conclusion this past decade?
YOU ARE WEAK! you believe all cultures/countries were able to grow in golden cribs. That also makes you an idiot.
EVERY DAY I SEE immigrants taking advantage of this, everywhere.
And guess what..I'm one of them - sure, I respect everyone but I'm not stupid! You prefer to believe only goodness exists? that's fine..I'll fuck your wife in the meantime and have coffee with you later.
Open your freakin eyes you idiots! Some people are savages and just because there's a minority who are not, you are gambling with the faith of much more.
Ultimate proof? when you read this you'll think: "you're one of them"
No, I'm not, I grew up in a different culture, that's all - we don't believe respect is giving the other cheek. does that make me a bad person?
NO!! makes me smart.
Fuckin idiots (not only German by the way, its neighbours are the same)
I like sloppy seconds. I hope you do too. While you were penning this comment, I fucked your wife.
Are you up for coffee later?
You didn't answer his question Ghordo.
I think we all know by now where you stand and what you do for a living.
Nah, ignore the smoke and mirrors by Ghordius.
Read through her comments here, she is basically stating nothing clear about her position, only dropping a few bread crumbs of "opinion" and then attacking everyone who criticizes her, by declaring we read wrong between her lines.
The fact she shows up in recent days and -at least for the first days- only posts watered-down feel-good statements begging for appreciation, totally in contradiction to her standard pro-EU, pro-more-government stances over the years before -
that just totally unmasks her being a female who enjoys stirring up the cauldron, without ever showing and sticking to real principles herself.
Just like LTER.
Bay of Pigs, it wasn't a question, "you work for the EU, UN or some other globalist organization", just a jab. no, I do not work for any of them. better?
malek, you are lying, here. For this: "to her standard pro-EU, pro-more-government stances over the years before"
where did I ever have a "standard pro-EU stance"? where did I have ever a "pro-more-government stances"?
I challenge you to show me where I ever brought such stances. Bullshit is bullshit, and I call out where I see it
A liar calling another person a liar? That's rich.
Sorry, I don't waste my time saving links to old bullshit posts of yours and others.
But my memory is really good, and I recall countless threads in which you defended the latest madness of some EU high level politician/bureaucrat.
Fun fact: Why do others even consider it possible "you work for the EU"?
So better stop posting bullshit and avoiding any substantial argument over specific parts of your opinion, instead of hyperventilating when someone calls you out.
Both countries are so afflicted.
Germany will wake up first, they are a smaller country.
The USSA is so big Bath House could be cramming them and more Mexicans in camps in the Sonoran desert.
Charles The Hammer knew how and what to do with this specific type of invader. He killed them. Before they could kill him.
Either KILL or BE KILLED!
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Or send then instead to The US, where the problem came from? And stop all the sanctions on Russia, which is actually addressing the problem of ISIS (USIS?). Those NSA dossiers on Merkel must be REALLY good??
Merkel would not get any support for any other course. that's not me, that's the current German political landscape
If she would plan for a Great Wall Of Europe, somebody would point out to the Great Moat of Europe (the Mediterranian Sea) and how it spectacularly failed
Putin uses Judo, and the German economy is thirsty for new workers and consumers, preferrably fresh, sorry, I mean young, another little ugly fact in this ugly story
thank you, Dubya the Crusader, may you rot in a special hell specifically created for you, your Big Oil interests and your MIC assholes (<- sometimes I do have to swear)
So why not attempt to re-import millions of people from the first world and not the third?
This "Germany needs more people thus this is a good thing" is complete crap. There is this thing called "opportunity cost" Ghordo -- it applies to people too.
Here is a question, would you rather have;
1) A Goat herder from Eastern Syria to be your neighbor. He symphtizes with ISIS, didn't allow his daughters to go to school, and he wife is not allowed to leave the house without him with her. He has never lived in a house with internet, running water and believes that if you don'T follow his religion, he has the religious right to kill you. He speaks not a word of English or German, and has no marketable skills except for goat herding. The are marketably poorer than you are, and have no concept of how the trash can or the garbage man works.
2) German immigrant's descendants to Argentina, who left in April of 1945. Grandpa was in the SS, but these people while more conservative than you -- share many of your values, culture and language. Used to all ammenities you are used to, oh and they are educated and fairly independently wealthy. They don't trash their house or garden, and just want to live in peace.
as your next door neighbor?
1) is a bit... disingenuos. if he sympathizes with ISIS, would he flee ISIS?
2) is even more disingenuos, then Germany's laws give that guy the right to come back
and you are busy redirecting, here. my point is still a completely different one, and you love to use me as a kind of sock puppet with things I never wrote
I talk about Turks in Germany, you write nothing because you don't know much about Germany. And so on
my point is simple: that's the way it is. those millions are now on the move. the question is how to respond to that
one answer could be to have the blue and gold or the German flag over Syria, so that they can go back
note, though, that it would mean elbowing all the Arabs, Persians, Americans and Russians that are busy making one huge holy mess, there
imagine the shrieking of your beloved propaganda sources to such a plan, and even more to it's execution
The Slovenian interior minister said yesterday Europe has 3 ways of solving the crisis;
1) Finding a immigration policy which is not open borders and stops people coming into the zone illegeally.
2) Build a large razor wire wall, similar to Hungary which is working.
3) Start shooting.
See Ghordo -- I know enough about Germany that given the full on retard self-loathing of German politicians, #1 is unlikely to happen with the current government. #2 won't happen because people are more willing to risk their cultures, country & way of life than be called "racists" from people like you, so I think ultimately #3 is likely. Even good ol' Angie said as much yesterday, when she said if she closes the borders, the Balkans will go to war with one another.
Europe will solve this crisis like it solves all previous crisis in the past -- with a huge body count. Everything else is just some shithead baby-boomer wet dream of everyone singing "its a small world after all."
I still am looking forward to watching Angie try and send 100k immigrants to Poland.
As far as the people on the move -- all you have to do is seal the border, and not let anyone in. When people start freezing to death -- the flow will stop and people will turn around and go home.
EDIT - Also re; your #1
None of the Syrians that are here are fleeing war. They are here for the paycheck. Your double-speak should make you sick.
4) Stop paying them just for being there. There's a reason they keep walking once they're reached Turkey.
Take down the bird-feeder and patch up the holes in your eaves, and the swallows and starlings will go away.
+100
Let the German and other European citizenry buy small arms. I hope (Gaston) Glock's factories are working 24x7. The problem is the evil EU politicians will not let the citizens buy arms.
The Europeans better rebel fast. The same thing is happening in the USSA.
How about some descendants of German immigrants to America? Pretty sure I could trace some ancestry to the Schleswig-Holstein region.
Whites are not wanted as immigrants anywhere on earth.
The Germans and other Europeans do not want white Christian Ukrainians.
Who ever said that the guy was fleeing ISIS? How do you know that he isn't part of ISIS coming in with the intent to fuck Europe up?
My great grandparents spent time in Afghanistan in the 1950s. My great grandmother never left the compound for Americans when she was there, and my great grandfather helped to build the road through the Khyber pass. When he came back, he told my grandmother that he didn't know why we were helping build that road, because the Soviets were going to use it to invade in the future. My great grandmother, on the other hand, remembered, vividly, the local grounds keeper. Especially the time he didn't show up for a few days because his wife had died. As it turns out, he had caught her looking at another man and had to behead her. This was all done publicly.
You don't want them moving in en masse. They will destroy you.
"Who ever said that the guy was fleeing ISIS? " the asylum seeker says that. the state checks on that. hence... the weeks time for decision
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
LOL.
That was a good laugh.
The state checks that. Fucking right. Becuase there are all sorts of databases in the Muslim world like the developed world that tells you who is who. Especially those fighting in a warzone where the fucking powerplants have been bombed. Or in that tribal Mecca of high technology called Afghanistan that many of the refugees are coming from. Haha!
LOL.
hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahaha
Hans @ Ausländer Amt: "Yes, Mr. Halal al Habah al Zackari al Hesesich al Mustafi, are you a ISIS supporter."
Mr. Halal al Habah al Zackari al Hesesich al Mustafi: "No."
Hans: Welcome to Germany. How many children do you have?
Mr. Halal al Habah al Zackari al Hesesich al Mustafi: "7"
Hans: Did your wife come too?
Mr. Halal al Habah al Zackari al Hesesich al Mustafi: "Yes, both of them."
Hans: Ok, well its just 620€ per person per month right now, so there are 10 of you, here is your 6,200€.
Mr. Halal al Habah al Zackari al Hesesich al Mustafi: "Danke schön."
Hans: Excellent, you'Re learning some Germany. Herzlich Willkommen in Deutschland
Mr. Halal al Habah al Zackari al Hesesich al Mustafi's boss: "Did they buy it?"
Mr. Halal al Habah al Zackari al Hesesich al Mustafi: "Yes, fucking morons. They even gave me cash."
Mr. Halal al Habah al Zackari al Hesesich al Mustafi's boss: "Excellent, here is the 40kg of SEMTEX, use the cash to buy yourself a van."
Mr. Halal al Habah al Zackari al Hesesich al Mustafi: "Allah ahu Akbar"
Putting 7th century folks with modern folks, with both parties having 180-degree opposite cultures, law, and beliefs does not generally work out too well.
Shhhh!
They need to learn it the hard way. Let us just hope that we don't get sucked into it. A vein hope, I know, but none the less...
some of them are educated and more modern
esp the younger generation
Trust me - there a millions of young people, even Christian, that would love to live in Germany. You find them in Europe, you find them in South America, you even find them in Asia and Africa - but nope. You had to take Muslims. The most violent religion on planet earth. And don't come with ancient history. We live now - 21st century - yet some appear to still live in medieval times. I haven't heard of a Bavarian shepherd that kills his daughter because she wants to marry another man and not the man chosen by family.
I've never heard of a Bavarian that prohibited a lifeguard to save his drowning teenage daughter because she couldn't be touched by a man until she was married;
https://www.rt.com/news/312151-man-daughter-drown-dubai/
"thank you, Dubya the Crusader, may you rot in a special hell specifically created for you, your Big Oil interests and your MIC assholes (<- sometimes I do have to swear)"
Indeed, this has absolutely nothing to do with Germany wanting an alternative to the Russian natgas monopoly, esp. in the wake of shutting down their nuclear power capacity.
Mind you, I agree with you sentiment re: GWB/petrodollar/MIC, but pretending that the various captured German interests (review history regarding Prescott Bush, Bosch, Bayer, VW, Mercedes, and most importantly, Deutche Bank and it's Zionist handlers) aren't party to this is frankly a little ridiculous.