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UK Says Russian Plane "May Well" Have Been Downed By "Explosive Device"
With each passing day, we get still more evidence that the Russian passenger jet which crashed in the Sinai Peninsula last weekend exploded in the sky.
While that might seem obvious to anyone who has followed the story, the Egyptian civil aviation ministry attempted to play down the idea that the jet “broke apart” in mid-air, saying yesterday that there was as yet no “proof” of that contention.
And while there may be no concrete “proof” as of yet, we do have evidence. Like the testimony of an Egyptian forensics expert who went the common sense route, noting that when body parts are scattered across an 8 kilometer radius, it’s logical to conclude that something exploded. Then there’s the account from FlightRadar24 which indicates that the plane slowed suddenly and then plunged to the Earth at 300 miles/hour.
Finally, IS Sinai was out this morning insisting that they “downed” the plane although they declined to explain how insisting instead that the public prove a negative (i.e. “prove we didn’t crash it”). Meanwhile, the home office in Raqqa posted a video congratulating their “brothers” in Egypt for the “success.”
Put simply, either IS Sinai is lying, or they intend to do this again, and thus want to keep the “secret sauce” (so to speak) under wraps.
Now, in a move that appears consistent with that assessment, the UK government has suspended flights from Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt due to the possibility that the plane was brought down by an “explosive device.” Here’s WSJ:
In a statement, Downing Street said while the investigation is continuing, it cannot categorically say why the Russian jet crashed. “But as more information has come to light, we have become concerned that the plane may well have been brought down by an explosive device,” it said.
As a result, the government was delaying flights due to leave from Sharm el-Sheikh airport for the U.K. on Wednesday as a precautionary measure while a U.K. team of aviation experts assessed security arrangements at the airport. It said it expected that assessment to be completed later Wednesday.
Prime Minister David Cameron will chair a meeting of the government’s ad hoc emergency committee later Wednesday to review the situation and provide an update after, his office said.
No 10 statement on flights being halted from Sharm to UK over Russian plane bomb fears https://t.co/zg3B3yjK6C pic.twitter.com/whvA5Pp2ol
— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) November 4, 2015
And in Egypt, a "source close to the investigation of the black boxes" tells Reuters that the cause of the disaster is “looking more like an explosion.” Here’s more:
"It is believed to be an explosion but what kind is not clear. There is an examination of the sand at the crash site to try and determine if it was a bomb," the source told Reuters.
"There are forensic investigations underway at the crash site. That will help determine the cause, to see if traces of explosives are found."
Egypt has dismissed claims by Islamic State that it brought down the aircraft with 224 passengers and crew aboard.
So, with the evidence mounting that this was indeed the result of a mid-air detonation, the irony is that in fact it will be incumbent upon investigators to prove that ISIS' claim is false, because if they can't, there's no way to ensure the safety of commercial flights flying from Sharm el-Sheikh.
Again, we imagine that rather than wait for the full report, Moscow will simply choose to bomb the answers out of the militants.
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ISIS = CIA/Mossad.
Either you're with ISIS (US) or you're with russians
Hey guys check this out.Makes you wonder what "our" media does?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/UXodRLLkth4
Those subtitles cannot be correct... no one publicly talks that much shit about the effeminate magic negro after receiving such large foreign aid checks...
PUTIN already knows who done what...........
He is planning the big hits against rAKKA Et Al as we speak...
What I don't get is how come the MSM isn't telling us who did it. ALWAYS, in these kinds of tragedies, the MSM knows and tells us right away who did it. Look at the MH-17 incident. They knew right away.
And as reported on another covert-intel website, Russia has intel that there was in fact a bomb on board the A321, but was orchestrated by Saudi Arabia and implemented by Israel... Sounds more plausible than a bunch of mercenaries that do what they are told...
How dare those muslims criticize our Barry when he informs the world that Climate Change is the #1 threat to the planet.
Their insinuations that Barry must be insane or on drugs are beyond contempt.
We're gonna get an awful lot of climate change when they nuke the atmosphere.
Hohoho!
If only US TV worked like that, Bath House would be back in the hood hustling dicks for crack money!
the lengths to which media have gone to NOT discuss the possibility of a bomb is astounding. All the talk was about missiles initially. Even with the video (first reported here), there was no appetite to cover it. Strange. It's not like safety is at risk or anything,. Actually, there was no US TV coverage that I could find at all until Monday after the crash saturday. The Sunday talkies didn't even cover it
Contrast that with MH-17. The British and Americans were pumping out propaganda about that one for months afterwards, and they started doing it before they even had a journalist at the crash site.
But isn't it funny how it all went quiet again when Putin gave the British the black box?
Judging by the picture... The Sons Of ZZ Top did it.
ISIS has a Boy Band?
Sure they do. From left to right in the pic:
My neighbor's kid Jimmy (I keep telling him and his friends to get off my lawn)
Jesus of Nazareth
The dude from Sean Of The Dead
The Iron Sheikh
Silent Bob
Some of doze guys don't look very Arabic...
IS did it.........
Sounds better than we have a shit safety program....!
So, it Was Al-Mossad after all!
like I said many threads ago, if there's explosive residue to be found it won't take long for them to find it...
I'm not a proponent of genocide but it sure seems like if we woke up and there were no muslims almost all of the worlds problems would be solved.
What other problems would the world have? Starving puppies and a China slowdown? Muslims are nothing but a pain in the ass and they've been a pain in the ass for 4,000 years.
It's not that they're inbred and living with 7th century rules, it is that they are inbred and living with 7th century rules, plus they have a lot of oil. The oil guarantees that the rest of the world is going to interact with them, whether we, or they, like it or not. Without that oil, a huge percentage of them would starve to death and the ones who are left would go back to a tribal existance. The Arabian penensula would look a lot more like Afghanistan in terms of how the people interact with each other.
So long as they are kept from invading the rest of the world, the problem will eventually take care of itself.
I don't have a problem with their oil. What I'm saying is that if the actual muslims just vanished we'd be able to get the oil easier, more efficiently, and safer. These are fucking wacko's in the ME you can call me racist till kingdom come but muslims are shitty hateful people.
I never want to hear "religion of peace" ever again. I'll start throwing punches. Name a muslim charity that helps someone other than muslims. I fuckin dare you.
There would be no problem in the ME if the Zionists and the CIA stopped stoking wars and creating groups like ISIS. The muslims are not the problem. Its the fake Christians and fake Jews,
Islam is one of the youngest religions in the world next to scientology. Islam is the fake religion.
Umm, actually it is THE best documented religion. The only one in fact.
As for "they're the problem", how many times do I need to repeat it. YOUR OWN FUCKING GOVERNMENT DID 9/11. IN LEAGUE WITH MOSSAD. But don't let a few facts get in the way.
absolutely correct.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/02/19/un-report-reveals-how-israel-is-co...
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/New-UN-report-reveals-collaboration-bet...
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/israel-acts-isis-air-force-repeat...
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...
Looks like you're really only dreaming of having woken up.
If all muslims were gone, TPTB would find another group to use as a 'cause of all evil' scapegoat .
Exactly.
I doubt many ZHers have been in a mosque, let alone invited to stay overnight
in a muslim household with young unmarried women living there.
if you bothered to understand them, and their customs, you
will find most are no different from people anywhere.
I wouldn't break bread with the Bader Meinhof gang either.
There are always psychopaths and extrememist tryimg to hijack any group,
its far easier than having to grow your own.
"There are always psychopaths and extrememist tryimg to hijack any group,"
Continue. What religion other than Islam has been "hijacked" and constantly blows themselves up just to kill people who are not of their faith?
You can't.
Al Qaeda and ISIS are both proxies created by the US and its allies - a US lousy with Zionist war mongers who want to use their proxies both to destroy the middle east nations around Israel - but also to VILIFY ISLAM.
Red meat for the Fox/Breitbart crowd, once again, "Islamic terrorism" is usually a sock puppet for the Anglo-Zionist Empire.
http://america-hijacked.com/2014/07/13/the-unfolding-of-yinons-zionist-p...
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
The "clash of civiliizations", a jew-proposed self-fulfilling prophesy that, if effective, leads to christians and muslims destroying each other, and leaves the zios as the last man standing.
As seen on the Hedge just yesterday. And very accurate.
Bernard Lewis - a british Zionist CHICKENHAWK more loyal to Israel than his host country.
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=aautumn92rethinking#aautu...
Autumn 1992: Influential Neoconservative Academic Advocates Breaking Up Middle Eastern Countries, Including Iraq
Bernard Lewis.Bernard Lewis. [Source: Princeton University]Princeton University professor Bernard Lewis publishes an article in the influential journal Foreign Affairs called “Rethinking the Middle East.” In it, he advocates a policy he calls “Lebanonization.” He says, “[A] possibility, which could even be precipitated by [Islamic] fundamentalism, is what has late been fashionable to call ‘Lebanonization.’ Most of the states of the Middle East—Egypt is an obvious exception—are of recent and artificial construction and are vulnerable to such a process. If the central power is sufficiently weakened, there is no real civil society to hold the polity together, no real sense of common identity.… Then state then disintegrates—as happened in Lebanon—into a chaos of squabbling, feuding, fighting sects, tribes, regions, and parties.” Lewis, a British Jew, is well known as a longtime supporter of the Israeli right wing. Since the 1950s, he has argued that the West and Islam have been engaged in a titanic “clash of civilizations” and that the US should take a hard line against all Arab countries. Lewis is considered a highly influential figure to the neoconservative movement, and some neoconservatives such as Richard Perle and Harold Rhode consider him a mentor. In 1996, Perle and others influenced by Lewis will write a paper for right wing Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu entitled “A Clean Break” that advocates the “Lebanonization” of countries like Iraq and Syria (see July 8, 1996). Lewis will remain influential after 9/11. For instance, he will have dinner with Vice President Cheney shortly before the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. Some will later suspect that Cheney and others were actually implementing Lewis’s idea by invading Iraq. Chas Freeman, former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, will say in May 2003, just after the invasion, “The neoconservatives’ intention in Iraq was never to truly build democracy there. Their intention was to flatten it, to remove Iraq as a regional threat to Israel.” [Dreyfuss, 2005, pp. 330-337]
ALSO CONSIDER:
July 1992: Think Tank Publishes Book Proposing Policy of Unilateral Interventionism in the Name of Humanitarianism
The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace publishes “Self-Determination in the New World Order” by Morton H. Halperin (head of State Department policy planning under Madeleine Albright) and David Scheffer (Albright’s special envoy for war crimes issues). The book proposes a set of criteria for the US to use in responding to the independence and separatist movements that have arisen since the break-up of the Soviet Union. The authors argue that in certain circumstances, such as when civil unrest threatens to create a humanitarian crisis, “American interests and ideals” compel the US to assume “a more active role.” Interventions “will become increasingly unavoidable,” the authors write. Foreshadowing the unabashed unilateralist foreign policy adopted by the Bush administration after the September 11 attacks, they write that “the United States should seek to build a consensus within regional and international organizations for its position, but should not sacrifice its own judgment and principles if such a consensus fails to materialize.” [Review of International Affairs, 4/2000]
Entity Tags: David Scheffer, Morton H. Halperin, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Madeleine Albright
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Halperin
amazing how the same 'group' is just all over the warmongering, huh?
All religions do this.
this is lazy, sloppy, clearly inconsiderate nonsense.
I guess you haven't, and wouldn't look into IDF war crimes or Jewish settlers who have taken to burning Palestinian children to death.
http://www.loonwatch.com/
There are 1.3 billion muslims to 17 millions jews...and jews have killed far, far more these past 100 years.
Sorry.
Sorry - its true.
and its muslim countries being bombed all the time, muslims who watched kids die by the thousands in Iraq and Gaza and Iran all due to US foreign policy - led by Israel Firster chickenhawks, war profiteers, and all manner of cunt.
Add to this the obvious western hand in al qaeda and isis and it looks more and more like people like you are working for Zion.
http://www.loonwatch.com/
Really ? Even the alphabet you you use to write this is invented by them.
Fuck the alphabet. They can have it back.
shut up sicko zio boy
Ya think? What was their first clue? The CIA=ISIS video that was taken at the time or the bright flash followed by an explosion? Bunch of geniuses these people are.
They're allergic to truth. They'll deny obvious truth to the bitter end.
perfect opportunity for obama to bridge together with putin & focus on crushing global terrorism once & for-all
doesn't fit his "narrative" i guess
in other news, trump said he would work with putin, form alliances with him, find common ground on areas such as economics, war on terror where he & putin could meet. i guess thats why "they" will never allow trump to become president.
Lucky Balloon Mine?
Amazing, just weeks after the Lockerbee luggage bomb expose!
Of course, with a 4 am check-in, and luggage out in the hallways the previous night ... security at the airport must have been very thorough?
does not bode well for the "Usual Suspects"
no need to name them..
Defense Secretary Ash Carter said today that he expects that Russian ... “And I also expect that in coming days, the Russians will begin to suffer casualties in Syria. ...
I don't need to tell anyone that Russian social media is alive with this quote!
Although he does say Syria! What makes people suspecious was how sure Mr. Carter was when he made this statement. He sounded assured of major casualties. The well know connection between the CIA, MI6, Saudi Intelligence and Mossad to nearly very practicing Islamic terror group in the world, leads some people to suspect HELP from capable western assets, to eager Islamists.
Well... Kerry did threaten... I'm sorry, I mean warn Russia a couple of weeks ago about this.
Get ready for mandatory cavity searches, no carry-ons, double air fare fees all in the name of "security". Even though this only could have been an inside job or done "elite saboteurs". All "just in case" it may happen elsewhere.....
A few days ago it was disclosed that TSA has no management. Gee who would have thought? One a trip to Thailand sometime back they confiscated my bug spray. How stupid can people get. Now I understand....they have no management so they do as they please and the public be damned.
Obama will say it was right wing raciss radicals, clinging to their bombs and their korans.
Terrorism is just a word. If all the Muslums where gone it would just find another home!
Funny how the British suspend flights, as if they're in the dark about this. Yes, they're in the dark alright, the dark of occultism. Semper occultus - the motto of MI6.
They love to cultivate the image of fumbling and bumbling Englishmen reacting to events on the hoof, Bond-style. In reality they're the cause of half the "terror" the world has known ever since the Reign of Terror in 18th-century France. I guarantee you you can trace it all back to the Lodge in London, working on behalf of the Jewish Vatican in the Square Mile.
They want the borders of "Israel" extended to Sinai in the West and the Euphrates in the East, but Russia has just thrown a spanner in the works. Russia needs to be taught a lesson, then. That's what happened here, plain and simple. Oh boy have they picked on the wrong enemy this time.
I made you a something
http://bit.ly/1RUqxHZ
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/03/idf-turkey-shoot-israel-shot-2600-...
NO need to state the obvious ... but most (if not all) of the IS folks in that photo look like recruits fom Western countries Maybe that photo is not the actual perpetrators ... I don't have time to check this stuff.
What do we need to say? THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY. Putin will unleash the full "nastiness" of Russian agents and special forces against whoever caused this tragedy. Can you really blame Vlad Putin for doing this?? I woudn't want to be in the shoes of whoever was responsible for this plot ... that's an outcome that is not worth thinking about.
Russian dudes like the slow painful way of whacking an enemy too.
And. He cut his teeth while working for the KGB. I'm just glad it ain't me he's after.
In 1985 four Soviet diplomats were kidnapped in Beirut, after one was killed, the Soviets located a relative of the kidnappers, cut off his head and left in on their doorstep. I understand that no further kidnapping occurred! on Soviet personnel
Or maybe it isn't a bomb at all.
These planes are all computer controlled.
What about a digital takeover of the controls ( virus/worm/ remote takover )???
A quick roll the plane and pull back the stick puts
you broad bottom on to the direction of travel
at 550mph...lots of things can snap off under
that sort of scenario...
...just sayin' ...
Is that a moon buggy in the background of that photo.....FFS Stanley.
ISIS is CIA. So new headline should be, "U.S. CIA admits to planting explosives on Russian civilian passenger airliner." Poop is about to hit the fan now. Spinchter level now at 11.
well, despite downed planes, terror threats to Russia etc., all goes as planned in Russia.
1) Putin in an interview yesterday: "Nobody has ever managed to intimidate Russia and no one ever will."
2) Forbes Nominates Putin as World’s Most Powerful Person Third Year in a Row
3) Russians celebrated National Unity Day today, which attracted huge crowds of proud and happy Russians (not at all discouraged by sanctions and economic troubles) and many of them were chanting or carrying signs with the already traditional mantra: "Putin, we are with you."
4) Syrian Arab Army Secure Khanasir/Ithriya Highway: Things are not going well for Obama's proxies in Aleppo, as yet another road is reopened after the Syrian Arab Army eliminated all Takfiri's present in the area. The capture of this road enables supplies to once again flow in and out of the liberated parts of Western Aleppo. Maybe those 50 US goons the Pentagram is flying in can save them - we very much doubt it! http://fortruss.blogspot.cz/2015/11/syrian-arab-army-secure-khanasirithr...
The Axis Of Atrocities --->>> UiSiSA / ISISrael
The terrorists backed by the CIA, Mossad and Mi6 are errand boys, cannon fodder.I think things are about to get close up and personal for the individuals who mastermind these Zionist plots to undermine international law and order, and the Middle East in particular.
Meet the A Team, currently on active duty you know where:
Spetsgruppa "A", also known as Alpha Group (a popular English name), or Alfa, whose official name is Directorate "A" of the FSB Special Purpose Center (TsSN FSB), is an elite, stand-alone sub-unit of the Federal Security Service (FSB). It is a dedicated counter terrorism task force. The aim: prevent and respond to violent acts in public transportation and buildings. It is also used for extended police duties, paramilitary operations and covert operations - both domestic and international.
It specializes in making individuals personally responsible for their actions, rather than merely wiping out the errand boys (like the ones seen in the photos issued by ISIS, and distributed by dual citizen Rita Katz of SITE, based in Washington D.C, claiming tax-free status and being paid by the U.S. government, using the tax dollars of trusting Americans).
re Spetsgruppa'A' specializes in making individuals personally responsible for their actions....
As it should be. I nominate the despicable KAGANs to top the list - to start the "ball rolling' - along with their goy-toy Mad-Dog McCain.
This comment by the UK and now the same from the US is totally irresponsible. The investigators have all the wreckage including the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. They have experts from Airbus, the engine manufacturer, air traffic control, and anyone else they need. All comments about the accident should be coming from them.
re This comment by the UK and now the same from the US is totally irresponsible.
They're trying to cover their asses, lead the "indignation" parade - with their own script - before everyone starts looking in THEIR direction
are there any zionists here tonight by any chance lol
Gosh, ya' think? As I've said here before, but have never seen mentioned in any news report, the fact that St Petersburg is Putin's home town, where he got his start in crony politics, and where he got well along the road to his current (Forbes) estimated $70 billion net worth from the theft of "the people's" assets after the collapse of the Soviet Union, makes the plane's destination a special target to send a message.
The real question is Cui prodest?
Keep in mind, the propaganda MSM is saying what's needed to say for TPTB.
So ask yourself, why is the West 'suddenly' warming up to the idea of a bomb on the flight?
Do they want to Russia to go in against ISIS head over heels? Or are they preparing for something else - like asking the UN to step in and thus interfere with Russian/Iranian progress?